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Who Should Ride A Downhill MTB?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ม.ค. 2021
- Downhill racing is often called the formula one of mountain biking. At the professional level, these bikes are pushed to the absolute limit at speeds that most riders can’t even fathom. But what can these bikes do for the rest of us that aren’t competing at the top level? Shop for some new merch here 👉 bit.ly/PunterS...
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You did not do hardtails :(
Can we get a dirt jump bike next?🤘
Well nowadays Enduro bikes are even SLACKER & LONGER then DH bikes. You showed the new Gambler. My last Demo Enduro bike was like I said just more slack and long. The bike is from 2018.
I dunno if there even is any DH bike who is slacker then the Nicolai G1 except their own ;) less then 61 is hard.
My Privateer 161 is slack like the Gambler because of that long offset and 180mm fork , it is longer too. We dont even start about reach because DH bikes look tiny now compared to the big Enduro bikes.
Miranda and that Nic guy are the real stars of this video
Agreed.
I agree
Sus???
What Trail bike does Miranda ride?
If I am not riding at a bikepark, I am walking/riding around with my DH bike looking for drops or steep hills to ride. I have sometimes ridden several kilometers from one spot to another on my single speed DH bike, and surely, it would have been easier with a enduro bike, but it's not what it is about for me. It's about the feel of being outside with my bike and looking for nice freeride spots, I don't really care at all about it being easier or more practical or sit and think if I should get another bike. Just riding whatever gives you "that feel" is where it is at.
Haha nice
love your atitude man freeride for life
Yeah booy!! i have a kona stinky primo 2007,its singlespeed and i use it for all jajajaja
Bruvvv sameee here!
I'd love to hear more insights as to how having a dh bike as ur only bike.
Also how its feels to (ergos) to "trail search"😂 via asphalt tho.
Feedback is appretiated!
This is exactly what I feel with my dh bike
I think u should do a hard tail one
I believe he filmed all of these mid 2020 but I might be wrong
Sadly Scott does not do a hardtail other than light xc ones or a dirt jumper
You don’t rlly need a dh bike I am able to ride similar features to the one in this video with a 150mm hardtaik
@@bsymez3493 he isn’t sponsored by Scott anymore
Yeah
DH bikes always make sense, even if you just have it for display in the living room !!
I approve that 😂
@@PhatNguyen-mv3jo I second that
I'd be happy to third that. Couldn't agree more 👏🏽
#metoo
If anything Downhill bikes dont break as much as a Enduro bike at a bike park. Everytime I ride my Enduro bike at a bike park I always destroy something. But when I ride my DH Bike at a park its a tank and takes it.
I’d say this is the big reason that isn’t brought up enough in these kinds of videos. Regular park riding is hard on lighter bikes
@@jeffwy5164 he did not talk about why your drivetrain is also better on the DH because less gears mean bigger gaps mean more smacking to the derailleur till it cant shift crisp anymore. Dunno why THIS big thing is not mentioned at all.
What about the 29 up front 26 in the back? 69er mullet for the win!!
I met and rode with a DH racer a few days ago....Never been so tired trying to keep up haha. He just monster trucked over everything, so fast!!
I bet that was fun! I try to keep up with my mates on their DH bikes while on my All Mountain and I have next to no chance haha.
@@MidNightDrumm3r It's fun to push yourself though, always good when I get to ride with better riders than myself.
@@DeadsetYT well on local trails I'm so close behind Fabio Wibmer fans with their Canyon Sender on my 140mm trail bike
@@luisla5269 Very Nice, I got a 140mm too. :D
That is definitely my favorite part of riding my DH bike. Didn't see that giant rock in front of you? No problem, just ride straight over it!
Someone who lives about 30 minutes from a bike park...
Yessir
I like 30 minutes from a couple different bike parks
I live 500m grom bike park i live right in front of forest where is it located
I live 7 mins from my park
Zero parks, but 4 trails, not official trails
I bought a cheap DH bike to save the abuse my everyday bike would get at Uplift days and bikeparks.
I'll only need to go to about a dozen days to save what a rental would cost.
I'd say if you're going to "pay off" the DH bike in 3 years worth of rental days you should buy one. If not, just rent when you go to the bike park.
i still ride my specialized demo 2010 with 26 wheels and i love it
Yeah, I still have my 2011 Demo. Sometimes I consider getting different fork lowers and putting a 27.5 in the front, but it kinda seems like a waste of time and money. The bike is still so much fun as it is.
@@SnootchieBootchies27 it’s not worth it unless you can get all the parts sub 100€.
It won’t be that much better and maybe even throw of the geometry because the enduro wasn’t designed for that back then.
@@rolux4853 Well, for my *DEMO* , I'd actually be happy to have it a little bit slacker, which putting a 27.5 in would do. But... yeah, it would be a pretty big investment for pretty marginal gains.
I love my 2006 demo 9 pro.
I just recently bought an old 2008 Giant Glory as my main "trail" bike.
Is it over kill. Yes.
Is it heavy. Yes.
Do it still love it. Yes.
Its like riding a cloud in the rough stuff and I enjoy the effort I have to then make to ride it which is good for my fitness and ultimately its more bike than I'll ever need so can hit whatever trail I want knowing itll handle whatever I throw it down.
i always wanted one of those, but never bought one. now they appeal to me less.
I feel like the rotational energy and angular momentum equations on that whiteboard helped my understanding of this video.
Haha he’s an electrical based engineer, although I haven’t zoomed into the equations....
“Who should ride down hill bikes?”
*Definitely people not trying to go up hill*
As someone who is not in close proximity to a Whistler (or any larger bike park), renting is the answer IMO. Especially when I am not as proficient at DH at a bike park. Having that rented DH bike was amazing, and as you said Paul did give me some extra confidence to handle the terrain at higher speeds.
I bought a trail bike so I could do parks as well (Mammoth and Tahoe). This was before I rented a DH bike. If I had to do all over again, I'd buy an XC bike and rent at parks. I fly to half the parks I ride anyway.
Live and learn.
Great video Paul. I think everyone will especially listen to Nick because of the mathematical equations on his whiteboard, they make him appear highly intelligent!
That was no accident
Came to the comments for this. Wondering if Paul or Nick came up with the idea. Never mind. Obviously they were already there.
I've been wanting to rent a DH bike for years... Still haven't ridden one! One day... Maybe I'll come to Whistler and rent one
I’m not a great rider but have watched a lot of videos and I can say.....Wow your body language while riding has improved so much! Especially cornering. Well done!🤘🏼
I love Mirand's framed renderings of people trying to draw bikes from memory. So good.
I rented a Demo 8 in Whistler one year and for the price I just bought one 2 month later after came home from Fernie 4 years ago. My Demo is 100% completely useless in Winnipeg and my 130mm is perfect and I've yet to max it out plus it right at my skill level, so if I'm buying a bigger bike I'm going all in. It's a very expensive useless bike till I go to Whistler in May, it's the only bike I want
I love my yt tues. I can barely use it on my local trails but I live in Utah Valley so I've got a bunch of ski resorts near me. I can barely justify owning it but it is still just about the greatest bike I've ever bought.
I live in the SL valley and I was looking into the tues specifically because I mainly ride trailside, deer valley, and rush/Draper cycle park. The main reason I don’t want a tues is because the shock size is kind of outdated, and I will have like 2 options for aftermarket shocks.
@@bikewazowski833 shock size is definitely out dated and can be hard to get hold of hardware and shocks their 29 is a your modern shock size but not everyone can afford the pro race and pro
@@bikewazowski833 the shock size is outdated, but I don’t have a problem with my rear shock and I love riding my tues places like deer valley and levitate. It’s definitely not necessary, but compared to my Capra it is way nicer later in the season when the braking jumps are deeper.
I don’t need a DH bike but I want one!!
I dont need one but i bought an gambler 720 for 1000 bugs i think ist worth it
@@tobiasschmidt5027 is pedaling hard?
Everyone needs a dh bike at some point in their life.
You should do who should buy a hardtail....
If you cant afford a full susp ...
Love the quality of the video. So polished. I almost got myself thinking about buying a downhill bike.
I can really appreciate this episode, especially since I've been on the fence of picking up a Dual Crown bike for a while. You've really done an awesome job with this series!
Who should buy a dh bike? More like who can afford a dh bike!😂
Your so right
Just buy a propain rage or yt Tues
Downhill bikes generally end up cheaper than enduro bikes
Dh bikes are cheap as chips
@@lukemtb6800 definitely and they just make the trails so much more fun
I had a season pass to a bike park and would do week long trips where I would be there when it opened until it closed, every day. I would just do blacks and double blacks and that is a perfect situation to own a dh bike. I have 2 bikes, a Kona operator (dh) and a Niner jet 9 (trail). This is, in my opinion the perfect set up for owning a dh bike. Have a do it all uphill and down machine, and use the dh bike really only when you are at a dh park.
I actually have a very interesting setup, i had a 26" freeride bike with 180 travel front/rear, and my fork decided to die on me, so i bought 200 boxxer and slapped it on, unlike full DH bikes it has shorter wheelbase and higher center of mass, i have since then went full DH with some other aspects too, and this mess created something like 'playful DH' if there is such a thing
Great to see you making another video. I am an average rider with 2 gravity parks within driving distance. I really enjoy the progress aspect of my DH bike. Trying that steep rock drop or hitting the jump line ,its just a blast at the amount of hits the bike can take and give you the feedback to push harder. For the price of a DH bike the manufactures have to design them so the average rider will never reach the maximum of the bike. I would hate to override a $4000. bike. Cant wait for the next video.
once i took the little one to a down hill park, after 3 trips on the chair, "no more peddling....."
Because of you, I run my suspension way more damped and slow than I used to...
And watching the slo-mo in this vid is another reassurance that you were right...lol 😂
Great vid dude!
I ride mostly enduro bike park and dirt jump and I bought my self a 26inch dh bike don’t care if it doesn’t climb it’s the sickest thing follow your heart and dreams and do what u want
Loved this vid, very informative, I'll leave it up to you to tell the missus we should go D/H ing this wknd lol.
I ride mine all the time I ditched all my other bikes cause i found myself always wanting to be on it. I get more of a workout when I ride it uphill too. Which sucks
I bought a used 2018 Giant Glory, single speed, as my first mountainbike. I know a enduro would be more practical and I still could ride the same trails I ride on my dh bike, but I love the way the dh bike feels on jumps and rough sections and I wouldn't change it for any other category of bike.
The mullet debate is a fun one. Paul, toss a 26" on the back of your Gambler just for giggles and let us know your impressions.
Keep those vids coming, we miss your humor.
Love these videos so much! The production quality is amazing. Keep up the great work!
Glad you like them!
Who here’s watching this even though you already own a DH bike and trail/enduro bike.
I'm 54, after a 15 year sabbatical just bought a Intense M3/Fox 40mm x 200mm forks as a upgrade from my old Intense Uzzi DH/180mm dual clamp forks. No its not a new model (neither am I)as I am not really interested in the new bikes as I have too many great memories from these earlier period bikes. It's a bit like still wanting to drive your old car or still wear that old holey tee shirt you cannot get rid of. The M3 is not great for cross country or climbs but I feel you will get fit pretty quick if you pursue riding it as much as possible for all trails. The M3 also makes the rocky rides ( there are many of these in Sydney Australia and the surrounding areas..) far easier to handle and enjoy than being popped around on a low travel bike. I can also just huck drops and roll-in with ease which I would have trouble on the Uzzi but its pretty hard to pop low speed small jumps. This may have more to do with my age and fitness than the bike.
So I am all for the DH ride being used for freeriding or what ever comes up. You can pick a pretty fine 2007 model DH for $1500 which is really more than enough for most peoples skill levels so why not just buy one.
I wish I had a downhill park near me,
barely realised that your chest plate was fox looks sick looks like scott sells it likes that nice job man
I have always owned a dh bike in my life, and for the majority of the time it was my only bike. Now im lucky to have an e-enduro and a new dh bike, but the truth is I ride bikeparks most of the time, trail riding is just about 20% of my overall riding time. And yes, the dh bikes are amazing. I love them.
My old friend of mine just lent me his old 27.5 DH bike last weekend n it was my first time riding it. It feels like riding a bison, heavy on the front. However, it feel more stable on the roughs even with the blinding speed. Now it starts to grow in me apparently. PS : I'm a hardcore hardtail fan.
theres one major factor here that doesnt get enough credit.
I'd want one because they look sick af. lol
with no bikeparks in the next 300km, i ride in the local forest which is ,however, rather well built. nice jumps and good trails. Sandy dirt is all we have here ,and a lot of flat landings. im Looking to buy my first Full sus.bike but am not sure whether to get and enduro or Dh bike. I personally prefer dh bikes but because we dont have much pure downhill here, not sure if its worth it. I also have a budget of 2500$ so im going to buy used. What type of bike should i go for? Also an reccomendations what could be a bike in my budget? Thank you very much! Also love the vids :)
Glad I saw this video. Coincidentally I just moved into a town that happens to have a bike park in my back yard during the summer. Also just acquired 3 different bikes from friends and family who don't use them. Ones an old sworks. The other is a newer diamond back enduro and also a 2018 trek session. Before this I haven't owned a bike in years after every bike I had was stolen, now I have XC DH and a enduro lol
All you need is a 180mm front and rear enduro bike and your good to go!!
This is a great video! Very helpful, and I think im good with my enduro bike, the moment I feel my bike is coming up short I will consider a downhill bike which I think its never gonna happen, modern enduro bikes are so capable specially with the new 38 enduro forks !!
I daily mine everywhere and to work even. I just love riding it and like the option to jump something at a moments notice. Also I run a dropper, ohhhh the heresy!
I’m really new to bikes, I got myself a 2009 Norco Aline off market place for $600 aud. I haven’t even been to a trail yet cause I have a small ass car that doesn’t fit my bike. It hell to take uphill and I can’t wait to take it to an actual trail. It probably wasn’t the best first bike to learn mtbing but I know I want to get into big jumps and dh tracks eventually.
I own a dh bike and I don't regret it. I tried an enduro bike on my local trails and I am bottoming out consistently with 10% sag on a dh bike I have like 10mm left of travel for emergency situations. Also drops feel more amazing. My Myst 2015 is making my trail experience a lot better
I’m getting a DH bike first, even though I’ll be driving a minimum of two hours to shred it. After that I’ll be saving for an enduro. Both styles are killer and worth the money.
I've been riding for many years in bike parks (chatel/morzine mainly) for 6 years, all kinds of trails from jump lines like Vink line, world cup tracks as Les Gets or Champery and never had a downhill bike. I tried one a few times but never got really into it, I prefer a more nimble bike, that can throw around easily, whip, scrub easily. My point is that there's a huge part of taste in the choice of big enduro vs DH bike.
awesome video paul, so much work in it, very very helpful!. I recently started riding my dads merida downhill and i didnt like it because it was so slow, now I get it, thanks for the video
Thanks, now I want a dh bike 😂
Thank you for the series. I just found this channel and it looks so informative and entertaining. I hope next videos about difference bikes would explain my questions
I'm really interested in this kind of sports the only problem that I'm facing rn is there's no bike park near our region😪
does this video also include the 2010 era downhill bikes with 26 inch wheels or will the old one perform better on slower trails than the current downhill bikes
So... from my perspective. I ride motorbikes often so throwing around a heavy bike (especially bicycle) is no issue at all... I have a habit of blowing through seals on the cheaper bikes within a few hours or days and am sick of replacing them often. I want to get a dh bike as their suspension is obviously superior but I won't be doing much dh riding but defiantly ramps and drop offs. Is it worth investing in a dh bike and what's your thoughts on this situation?
there is no bikes in bike shops where I live, guess I'll buy a used DH bike, and suffer climbing haha
i am no where near pro, hell, im 13. but as someone who races and rides a lot i always grab the DH bike, like, im averaging 4-2nd in races and im the only one who rides one in the league. i have a enduro but it just feels so fast scrubbing off drops on it like im a pro. also its so much fun to just ride to school because there are freeride spots all over. plus i live 45mins away from a bikepark so thats the best place for a DH bike. in my opinion if your a hardcore DH racer and/or a parkrat DH bikes are awsome to have. but im nowhere near pro level and it makes a HUGE difference in races, thanks.
forgot to say, the bike is a 2019 commencal furious.
Miranda had me at "mental enough" 👀
I'm mental enough for a DH bike. Im getting one 😵
Downhill is what started mountainbiking. The Repack races are where mountain biking came from.
Just got my DH back from the shop, can't wait to cut more laps. I love it so much haha.
We are some different species who love to ride downhill bikes
I would love to have an enduro bike but I simply don’t have the money. Currently in my area there is a carbon dh bike for sale from 2017 for a reasonable price and I’m not sure I should buy. My local is 8km away (I would cycle on the road) it’s about a 3 minute steep climb but a longer steep decent with big jumps, the bike park I go to is about 40min drive away
Hi Paul,
Great video and great series, really al enjoyed it.
I guess you are shooting the video in Squamish, what is that gondola / chair lift behind you?
Is that the sea to sky gondola?
I think u should mention freeride and going big. Cause still people buy dh bikes for this reason.
Most people won't even test the capability of a modern enduro bike and they can go up the hill as well. A modern trail bike is very capable for most people. 200mm front and rear are crazy.
we need a dirt jump version of this vid
Such a well produced and interesting video! Thank you!
Ive been riding a hardtail since early 2000's So when i started earning money my first bike was a Downhill bike a GT ruckus 2011 2.0 that bike is super heavy but one of the pros is it can handle all the abuse that 180mm Fork just endured all the abuse of my 230 pound ass so when i got to change bike in years its so hard to find a trail bike that i can feel comfy with my riding style and weight until a year ago i Tried a 2018 Slayer, yes a Slayer! Its geo is definitely a downhill bike and when i ride it i feel like this is home not worrying it will break or something so its my bike until now. Though i will still call it Enduro/Single Crown Downhill machine.
yes it has a 165 travel at the rear thats definitely a downhill rear travel match with a 170mm Fox 36 in front. Thats also a downhill travel length.
Dope bro 🔥🔥 saludos desde Guadalajara, México
DH bike is like a cabrio. Everyone will tell you its not practical but you just love it and use it even if it makes no sense. Do you know that in Europe, UK is a country with the biggest cabrio sales? And its like raining 3/4 of the year.
Great video! I have a DH bike but I live across the street from a bike park with lift access. I love the bike because I can ride things that I normally wouldn't be able to on any other type of bike, so my riding as improved as a result. My trail bike however is in stark contrast to that, I use a gravel bike with front suspension, which is also a lot of fun for different reasons. I bought this type of bike because I wanted to ride to the trails instead of driving. I have yet to acquire a bike for XC technical terrain, mostly because I have no idea what type of bike would work the best for me. I am not particularly physically strong or technically skilled. I need a bike that preforms similarly to a DH bike on technical terrain but also is light an easy to pedal uphill. My weakness seems to be rough rock gardens, which I can't really do on a gravel bike.
Having only ridden hardtails. Any Full suss would be comfortable to ride. Riding in Queenstown. Where i feel outta depth but its fun either eay
Are down hill mtbs still good for growing up hill bc I ride trails and I want a down hill bike bc they look great
lol I thought once i could ride a bike park for 3 days straight. I did not survive the punishment from the first two days. I was just so so sore. I paid for 3 days and only rode for 2.
I'm thinking of getting one but a downhill park lives 1 hour away from me but I don't care about the ups do I would be fine walking
Anyone else just staring at how well those forks work?
The comparison of a DH bike to an F1 car is an interesting one, i recall years ago that someone said the DH bike is the Monster Truck of cycling. I like that analogy. The thing is so burly that it just takes care of my screwups, every time.
Miranda Miller is my favorite rider ...
haha .. she is hilarious with such a great sense of humor ..
and she has the heart of a lion
Hardtail for life baby
Great series. Couldn't agree more with your take!
I like the ride.
If you love riding your bike and go to the bike park often in the summer maybe a few weekends a year get an Enduro bike If you live at the bike park get a DH bike
100 mm hardtails are perfect for every occasion
Lol what
Early this time, video looks sick
5:44 ??? What are you talking about? 🤣
If you shuttle regularly, would a dh bike be a good investment? I shuttle south mountain.
If that’s south mountain in Phoenix then no, it’s not a good idea. I’ve ridden geronimo and a dh bike would let really work on that one.
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Wish could afford one, still on a hardtail , but hardtail 🔥
personally i enjoy pushing my limits the most when riding and downhill bikes are the easiest to do that so for me there the most fun bikes
Hahah braking bumps 😂 move to Spain where there are literally rocks sticking out of berms
😂 I live in Bahrain where there are literally only 2 proper trails and the rocks are the berms there
I kinda got excited and bought a 2009 Norco six three and I love it because I BMX alot and I am able to do like 17 stairs on it (I can only do 13 on my BMX) the downhill I have feels great it is like a boat in the air you just kinda pull up and it feels like ur flying it is so stable it is amazing and I run 26 all around because t is a old bike that's all they are
Please fix your mud guard😂 if you’re getting a ton of noise from up front that’s for sure the problem
I just sold my DH for a super Enduro because I don't deserve a DH! If you can't ride to the absolute limit there is no need for DH. Get a trail bike and ride it until you feel under-biked. THEN move on to a DH.
Think about going to the park with your boys and they all hit the massive drop but you're too scared. You don't need a DH bike, you need riding practice.
Think about going to dirtjumps with your boys and they can ride dirtjumpers/trailbikes for hours. You'll be tired after 3 laps and won't get as many laps for practicing.
Think about riding anywhere besides somewhere with a chair lift! Uphill pedals always suck, but they suck the worst on a DH.
I own a XC Hardtail and i tried Bikepark riding on enduros and i enjoyed it very much but i don't want to pay like 100€ every time I go riding so I am looking for a used DH bike rn bc if i take care of it i'll safe money if i go riding more than like 15 times over the period i own the bike. That's why i'll buy one even thought that i can't use it for anything but trails