@@kittenmastermind660Let's reframe it: take you favorite family member or a very good friend or even a pet and now put him/her in a situation were it is either his wellbeing or that of the group. What do you value more? the needs of that individual family member or the needs of the group?
i think its important to note that there are good things that we all can learn from individualistic and collectivist cultures. rather than vilify one over the other, i think we should take a closer look into each culture, so we understand ourselves and the world around us.
@hiOOxkr magkis if there's a spectrum (individual vs community), id say america is far more individual. where would you say america lies on that spectrum?
@hiOOxkr magkis لعن آل سعود فضيله hwat u would be surprised to know the libs are more angry at individualism cause they think its capitalistic western idea haha.
I come from eastern culture family background, and well, I don't like it because in every part of life I should conform to common values I was told to without question. Therefore, I quit being collectivist and choose individualism rather. I do enjoy it, I appreciate myself as an individual and I also appreciate others as other individuals...
Collectivism is oppression of the individual and repression of self expression. Each one of us is unique and has the capacity to function on our own without following fake morals and forfeiting innovation.
Humans are social creatures. We're instinctly more happy being in a stable strong family and this a science fact. Individualism allow you to sacrifice this human bond for your own wants and desires. In a world where individualism is highly preached , depression rates are through the roof ,people dying alone in their appartement and their bodies not being discovered until the smell of their flesh is noticed. Not that good of a thing
I see so many people misunderstand Individualism thinking it's about being selfish (in bad sense) and not engaging with other people. Individualism is about humans treated as 'ends' and not as 'means' vs collectivism treating humans as 'means' to achieve "greater good". So Individualist can and should engage with others, as long as he is free to leave. Society that has accepted collectivism prevents and shames people who leave E.g. oppressive work environment and say that he can't leave since he would hurt the whole workplace
I believe in individualism, we shouldn't live based on people believes and orders, because we know ourselves the best, yet others know nothing about you
I lived in both cultures middle eastern and western for long enough, both has its own ups and downs. For example the homeless rate in middle eastern countries is way lower “almost non existent” compared to western countries because the sense of community and taking care of each other. If someone for example your cousin was in need, the whole family would put money together just to secure him an apartment or take care of the rent. But on the other hand, family and cultural values are very important that can get in your way, Specially for women.
Agreed, the central point that this video completely misses is when they make the statement “you find yourself in the crowd”. Who is “the crowd”? The crowd(s) are diverse and each individual’s identity is different. That’s why it’s important to place a higher value on the individual when passing laws and regulations and not the/a group. The individual must have the freedom to choose which groups that defines them. And they should ultimately decide which groups they value more. This is the fundamental definition of individualism.
Living based on people's beliefs and orders is not in itself bad at all. What's bad is if those beliefs and orders are detrimental to the individual. There are times that the family's goals should be put first than personal ones. There also times where you should pursue your personal goals
Whenever those against individualism talk about it, they always have to use the phrase rugged individualism. This is a straw man. This is not what individualism means. Individualism simply means that the individual is not the means to an end, but an end in and of herself. Whenever folks put a qualifier on a word, such as in intellectual dishonesty , they are manipulating the meaning of the word. The group is not the base unit. The individual is.
Society should be made up of individuals assisting one another. The only form of "collectivism" that should ever exist is moral responsibility. Any other form of collectivist thought leads to societal organization and structuring, which always leads to human misery.
Concur. Now more than ever, our failings as a society/culture (American here) are clearer than ever; look at the state of our coronavirus response. People are rebelling and complaining about stupid masks because it "infringes on their right to breathe". People like them are putting others at risk and I blame them. Mask isn't for you, it's to protect those around you. Hail individualism where only oneself matters. A lot of good that is doing us. I'm not trying to start anything, it's just what I see and it makes me sad. Hopefully things will get better soon. Hopefully people will wake up. Look at Asian countries, even the democratic ones (South Korea). Their responses have been WORLD's better than ours. The people are more united. I feel like Americans are more divided now than they have ever been. To all of the other Americans out there - I love you guys. Can we please help to protect one another and work together?
I agree. It's morally responsible for us to quarantine and wear masks so we don't harm the general collective . I don't know why that's so hard for alot of Americans to grasp . Honestly I think it's because the US government has no financial social safety net right now so people are willing to risk their lives and others to pay the bills . It's a sad situation
@London English tutor That's a very stupid thing to write. Why would individuals want to crash their cars resulting in accidents? Evidence please!' Stop calling yourself "london english tutor", because that's a lie.
@@blastgrinder7024 ....I mean wtf do we have traffic laws...or any laws for that matter, if humans are perfectly capable of behaving like angels? That's not reality. The reality is we have a system in place to protect the group from individuals who act destructively.
@@Ylemonade Not crashing your car doesn't make you an angel. And as you know, laws and systems doesn't hinder destructive people from being destructive. He is saying that individuals can't handle themselves, but I say that they very much can handle themselves and be respectful for other individuals. I just think the example with traffic was bad, very slippery slope.
I highly reccommend reading AYN RAND, the russian - american philosopher who nailed the moral of individualism. Do not make the mistake of the ignorant who think that an individualist is a man who says: “I’ll do as I please at everybody else’s expense.” An individualist is a man who recognizes the inalienable individual rights of man-his own and those of others. An individualist is a man who says: “I will not run anyone’s life-nor let anyone run mine. I will not rule nor be ruled. I will not be a master nor a slave. I will not sacrifice myself to anyone-nor sacrifice anyone to myself.”
The thing is, you imply that individualism isn't inherently selfish (at everybody's expense), however by the very premise that 'others' don't come into part of it's philosophy means it IS selfish by default. Lockean theory also very much does assert that one can use others as a means to ones own ends, which is essentially what Rand developed her work on the back of. Not to mention Locke disregarded the entire class of 'hand-to-mouth' wage labourers, stating they essentially weren't capable of political thought. So effectively he was saying "all men are created equal, all men that own capital that is"
@@MarcoPaints the thing is that we have to read and understand what each philosopher wrote and meant. I have read Ayn Rand's books, have you? If so, send me a segment in which she writes that "one can use others as a means to own end". I bet you won't find it, because she never wrote that. In the other hand, what she wrote is that individualism means that every men and women are an end in him / herself. What means that no one has the right to use other people to owns end, exactly the opposite of what you said (I see that most of the time people "put words in Rand's mouth", people who never read Rand's books / texts). Individualism means that the moral thing to do (which is beneficial to YOU as an individual and rational being) is to TRADE with other people voluntarily. Selfishness means self interest, and not acting at everybody's expense. READ before you say that you know what Rand wrote, that's more honest - which is also a selfish value. ;-) Your life will be much better, with no guilt for being selfish and understanding what it really means.
Individualism is a philosophy that puts the individual above the group, collective, and the state. When taken to its logical conclusion we come to ideas such as self ownership/individual sovereignty: That individuals have a legitimate claim to sovereignty, as only individuals have the ability to enact agency, and that all extenal governance over the individual denies their right of sovereignty, so is illegitimate. Individualism is not about isolating yourself from groups or other individuals, being self sufficient, or selfishiness. It is neither for, nor against these things.
The problem is that most people don't understand what REAL individualism is, just like this video. Real individualism understands that its about caring about each individual from an individualistic perspective through moral value of each individual life and experiences. Thus each INDIVIDUAL cares about the next INDIVIDUAL and by default it gives our lives MEANING and result in us caring about each other regardless of our group. Taking responsibility as individuals is the path to to the future.
Yes me too but too much individualism is the problem. Its when teenagers go extremely selfish and develops this, "I don't give a shit" attitude and extreme egoism.
Sadly believing in individualism is somewhat flawed. Just look at criminals. You can tell them that they need to take responsibility as much as you like, but if the environment where they live in is fostering crime there is a strong chance that they will keep doing it.
I'm no philosopher but IMO, things aren't black and white here. In terms of getting stuff done, collectivist ideas definitely triumph. Some of the greatest things we have in life today cannot be made by one man alone. We needed a team to go to the moon, we needed a team to invent the internet, and we needed a team to build the highways. Even in modern-day, many of the products we use cannot exist without the collaboration of many people. Humans evolved to be social creatures, we naturally benefit in a group. That said, just as collectives can do good, they can also do bad. Many extreme political groups used collectivism to gain power and have harmed millions through the power of the team. This is where I think individualism is really important. It's very important to recognize when a group is beneficial or detrimental. To have the ability to think for yourself is very important. In fact, good practice of individualism also benefits the group. If each individual has their own unique learnings and experiences, then the group becomes much more diverse and powerful as a result. But just like collectivism however, individualism can have its bad sides. A person so focused on the self loses sympathy for others. An inability to stand in the shoes of others leads to bigotry and hate. All in all, the best solution is to have a mixture of both, and each can benefit from the other. So there's my two cents. Like I said I have no philosophical training, so take things with a grain of salt.
Individualism is about mans BASIC relationship to other people in society. AFTER an individual thinks by and for himself, THEN he can join a team of other individualists in a private, profit-making company. Individualism is based on the independent mind, not on emotion, not on the absurd desire to live alone w/no cooperation with other people with similar values. Individualism is not about a hermit in a cave. Going to the moon (science) and highways (transportation) are not proper govt functions. The Internet was created by mostly private action. Even the govts role was indirectly the product of private action. If the govt had not contributed and if the market wanted an internet, then it would have been done. Socialism is a miserable, unproductive failure. Prior to capitalism, history is 200K years of extremely low productivity and inovation.
Rubbish, in theory yes, collectivists praise and celebrate me when it suits them, when it can make them look good! But the rest of the time I'm a psychological punchbag, hence why I don't like socialising and always aim to stay in doors learning, doing and making stuff.
@@cue4070 Put in a wrong environment? What environment were you put in? Collectivism is collectivism whatever environment it is in and I'm speaking about the ideology, not the environment. Collectivism is for limiting individual freedom for the benefit of wider society. And that's great if you're not independently striving for success, you won't feel it, if anything it will feel like a helping hand lifting you above your more independent counterparts.
@@C.D.J.Burton You are assuming that collectivism is a dogma that all “collectivist” societies adhere to. That’s lazy thinking. Every society has a degree of collectivism in them. Scandinavia has collectivism, France has collectivism, Germany has collectivism, even U.K. and the U.S. have it. Each of these countries implement collectivist policies according to their unique concrete situations. I’m assuming you’re one of those libertarians who get triggered at posts criticizing individual freedom without even trying to understand what’s being said. The identity politics individualism promotes which results in the segregation and compartmentalization of individuals within societies, ignoring the inherent interconnectedness within, is what I am against.
@@cue4070 No, not at all. I'm neither assuming nor discounting that: "collectivism is a dogma that all “collectivist” societies adhere to" You assumed that, pretty lazy thinking isn't it? "Every society has a degree of collectivism" ...you don't say! You could go one step further and say that every group has a bit of groupy-ness about it, while simultaneously stating that not every group conforms to the same degree of groupy-ness! Wow, mind blown, not! "I’m assuming you’re one of those libertarians who get triggered at posts criticizing individual freedom without even trying to understand what’s being said" Well you assume a lot. "The identity politics individualism promotes which results in the segregation and compartmentalization of individuals within societies, ignoring the inherent interconnectedness within, is what I am against." Let me rephrase this for this for the general public: Individualism promotes a brand of identity-politics which encourages the separation of individuals as well as the merging of smaller tribes, ignoring the natural urge for connectivity within us (humans/mammals etc). Let me explain why this is wrong. For example, if I decide to stop identifying with the overarching label "Europe/UK/British/English etc" and decide to form a smaller alliance (or simply identify with) only skinny white guys who like Queen songs, that isn't the individualism at play, that is still collectivism. Just because the group is smaller, doesn't mean it's not a group. Individualism is definitively about individuals thinking for themselves and not conforming to others (like sheep). So I'd agree that it promotes the atomisation of society, but I wouldn't throw "compartmentalisation" in there also. That word is definitively collectivistic, hence why it starts with the prefix "co". co-, prefix. co- comes from Latin, where it has the meaning "joint, jointly, together. ... A similar meaning for this prefix is "auxiliary, helping. '' This meaning is found in such words as: copilot. The assumption that humans are naturally social is just that, an assumption. Humans are social as far as it's worth it. This is similar to the frequent claim for communism/socialism, that we are inherently/instinctively altruistic. It's like, why you trying to convince us then? If this is naturally the case, why are you still struggling to get half the planet to agree with you, why does south Korea (as a nation) or every conservative in the world fight this deep-rooted biological urge every day? Secondly, ID-politics is not an individualists idea of fun. The idea, to decide based on identity, clearly manifests itself at the hands of those who subscribe to the same identity. Nomads don't usually speak on behalf of others. I also don't get triggered at much believe it or not. You could say it's the stoic in me. I enjoy speaking with people about this stuff, even those who hate me.
I lived in both cultures middle eastern and western for long enough, both has its own ups and downs. For example the homeless rate in middle eastern countries is way lower “almost non existent” compared to western countries because of the sense of community and taking care of each other. If someone for example your cousin was in need, the whole family would put money together just to secure him an apartment or take care of the rent. But on the other hand, family and cultural values are very important that can get in your way, Specially for women.
Why can't just people learn to balance and not label themselves. They limit themselves as strict collectivists or overtly free individualists. There are times that the family's goals should be put first than personal ones. There also times where you should pursue your personal goals
@@UN1VERS3S Because people have PRIORITIES. You don't tell people to so-called balance their lives when there are things that are more important to them. For example, you don't tell women who value their careers more to focus on family and vice versa for women valuing their families. It's a matter of focus not balance.
you have an awesome perspective VDinosaur. and great thought. i absolutely love your other countries approach on homelessness. and a perfect example of valuing community over individual
With individualism there is zero incentive to do anything for the greater good save for personal profit. The good of the country, community, or even family is subordinated to the personal good.
@eric pone: That’s just one kind of individualism. Not all individualists think like that. With collectivism, make one false move considered a trespass and you’re a misfit and an outcast virtually forever. You’ve lost your community membership card.
SerjEpic I believe many people who throw the word individualism around, don’t understand the difference between the concepts of individualism vs. uniqueness. Consumerism has become driven by the need to feel unique, to stand out. Clothing, cosmetics, automobiles, houses, etc., are examples of goods that manufacturers/retailers have become marketing experts on how to exploit the consumers’ need to feel unique, under the guise of promoting individualism. SAUPRE AUDE (Dare to Know) is a challenge to each individual to ask questions, investigate the facts (from reliable sources), consider ulterior motives of anyone claiming to be an expert on a subject matter, and then form an opinion or position based on the knowledge you have independently gained. Unfortunately, many in our society take the least time consuming route and simply regurgitates what they read on social media. When you used the word communism in your comment, it leads me to believe you are one of those who fall into the former category and I hope you take the time to dare to know/learn what true communism is. I have been asking a lot of Americans who are all regurgitating the same sentences/terms about communism to explain to me their understanding of what communism is/means, and out of 24 people I have queried, none of them came close to a correct definition/explanation and many simply replied with horrible insults. I think it’s actually kind of humorous because it proves one of my theories that people truly do believe anything they read on social media and the internet, with a total lack of critical thinking skills.
Individualism is part of pluralism. We all are separate beings, have separate mind and body, and deal with our own life. Individualism is just the opposite of Monism or non dualty, which states we all are same and one single consciousness, the mind of god. But scientifically, more specifically psycology, we all are separate brains and bodies and we all interact separately with our surrounding. But we all are conscious. Some people become so much egocentric that they only believe themselves and believe that they are only cOnscious and in turn become solipcists.
Individualism makes you be more responsible for your decisions, instead democracy or collectivism forces you to "fit in" like everybody of the population.
Yeah Being responsible for your own decisions & actions has a domino offect on everybody around you Like it can give a good or bad outcome depending on them
idk in my life, many group of people usually do me wrong due to misunderstanding me. they labeled me as selfish when actually my intention was different. Yes i have behavioural problems, probably thats why. but its sad to see when people are in groups, they eat each other whenever they got chance and in a nasty way but they still stay together like the relationship seems like plastic but it last. Not for me tho, i separate myself because i know they wont change on how they treat me, I am tired of being an outcast too but... I am more feeling safer with just me. I do still hope that my work or whatever i do would still be a benefit to others in a good way ,thats the only thing to make me still human. I also do try to forgive somehow with those people who do me wrong , relatives, classmates, coworkers . Actually pandemic saved me from dealing with coworkers as we work from home now. We rarely talk, so less conflict. We just have listed task to do. I dont have to work on groups , we do it individually which did made me feel ok and thankful. Yep, every chaos theres always a positive side on it.
I think it’s safe to say that collectivism is no better when it comes to the “break down of society”. I don’t see a pattern of individuals burning down buildings, looting stores, and defacing property.
@Jason Bonaparte They are people brainwashed by narratives and ideaologies to go apeshit on anyone against them. Try arguing with these people they wont have valid point and just be louder and just storm off because they dont know what they are talking about, they believe in a narrative made by a community, a collective. If you were talking to an individual theyd actually listen to people and know what they are talking about.
@Jason Bonaparte in my most honest opinion, i think that individuals or individual people can gain more capabilities and opporunities given the fact that they have freedom of action to do what ever they want; so they have more control over what they do and have more insight of what is happening. I observed that if people are in a collective some set rules restrict people from what they want to do and it denies them of their freedom. I think that individuals are smarter because they see the world in their own two eyes and they dont seen the world in a biased lens.While collectivists blindly follows what makes the general consensus happy even though he/she is unaware of what is happening because they do not want to get punished for not showing support (virtue signaling).
Given the rampant tribalism bepalling the Earth and disincentivizing folks to self-actualize, individualism can’t afford to keel over. Also worth pointing out that humans have varying levels of sociability and desire for point-blank connections, so some are more conducive to individualism than others. People come out of distinct wombs, not assembly lines designed for uniformity. Lastly, the reason Eastern countries are more collectivistic is because they’re a lot more homogeneous in terms of demographics. Given the human lust for patterns and known quantities, a group-centered bias is very easy to embody. Can’t replicate that model in pluralistic countries where exposure to different people of varying backgrounds is more frequent. And yet that’s precisely what neo-nationalists are seeking to achieve via their fear of the unknown. Humankind is more interconnected than ever before and things like the bolstering od LGBTQ and women’s rights transpire worldwide at a gradually brisk rate, meaning that individualism will likely trounce tribalism over time... provided pied piper figures don’t get the upper hand by using the masses to further their collectivistic goals. Being human’s an art, not a science.
"Humankind is more interconnected than ever before and things like the bolstering od LGBTQ and women’s rights transpire worldwide at a gradually brisk rate, meaning that individualism will likely trounce tribalism over time... provided pied piper figures don’t get the upper hand by using the masses to further their collectivistic goals." This has not happened and likely will not, technology is not a useful replacement for community and face to fact interaction as been proven by countless studies. LGBTQ are arguably in and of themselves a tribe, once we destroy other collective identities we backslide into new ones.
Charity is next to useless. Taxes and collective action causes lasting change. People donate to charity for tax breaks or to look good and gain individual reputation.
it works okay at the local level (where your neighbours will alienate you if you don't participate lol), but you're just wrong and that is probably bait. Social spending is far more effective than charity, as easily demonstrated by modern countries with high social spending actually being the nicest places to live. A libertarian country would be a comparatively terrible place to live. Just compare the USA to pretty much anywhere in Europe. The only people who think charity is better than wealth redistribution are disingenuous people who want to opt out of paying taxes AND giving charitably or those who have been infected with the ancap brainworm.
@@praxlandy Charity has big overheads, relies on 'good will' of rich people (really it's just tax break opportunities), less oversight or accountability, is effectively a plaster over a bleeding wound and so on...the idea it's better than welfare is so unbelievably short sighted it's hardly worth arguing.
I do what I like, what makes me feel good and happy. You do what you like and feel good about. If our interest, preference and style matches, it's great. We are great buddies. But, please don't do anythingy. for the sake of copying me. I like people with their own individuality. Sometimes, our individuality won't match. But, that's alright. That's what makes who we really are. Why change it? Even if we try to change for the sake of others, it won't last long. Eventually, we will come back to the real version of ourselves.
Am sorry, I really don't think it's possible to be a true individualist and still want to be part of a conglomerate... That is just as absurd as Camus saying that there is no point to life but that's ok! No it's not, and you cannot be both of the above...
In terms of developed countries, Europe or Canada is more collectivist than america because they have one of the best generous welfare systems in the world and free healthcare.
I’ll just leave this here, words from 1944 that really will never age and must always be remembered otherwise civilization as we know it will perish... "This is the fundamental fact on which the whole philosophy of individualism is based . It does not assume , as is often asserted , that man is egotistic or selfish , or ought to be . It merely starts from the indisputable fact that the limits of our powers of imagination make it impossible to include in our scale of values more than a sector of the needs of the whole society , and that , since , strictly speaking , scales of value can exist only in individual minds , nothing but partial scales of values exist , scales which are inevitably different and often inconsistent with each other . From this the individualist concludes that individuals should be allowed , within defined limits , to follow their own values and preferences rather than somebody else's , that within these spheres the individual's system of ends should be supreme and not subject to any dictation by others ." ( F. A. Hayek, 1944, The Road to Serfdom )
We are at a point, a precise moment in history were we must make a choice. Forget climate change, forget racism, and realize that the human race as a whole is risk. Get rid of the labels and recognize each as a human that has different value. If you dont work you dont eat, whether come from a garden you grow or the grocer you buy it from the means and the level at which you eat is in your hands. The government is not the answer in any situation and is filled with those who think they are better than you and rely solely upon you for everything they have and want. They want alot, like the power that you allow them to have over you. Power must be transferred back to the individual, not the people. The individual has to make the decision to better themselves. There is no situation that the individual should ever give up the right to be an individual and the sovereignty that independence of individualism gives inherently. Family's, at one time, produced individuals because the family was used to mold characteristics of individualism in each member it produced without animosity towards each other. I will die on this hill.
All -isms go too far. We are individuals with some amount of autonomy. Yet 'who I am' is in part constructed from the people who are around me as I grow up. How I survive in this world is decided by the skills I have received from others. My goals exist within and are molded by the parameters of the society in which I live. So, life experience and historical investigation tells me that both individual autonomy and collective action are at the heart of all societies. These exist on a continuum, are not mutually exclusive.
Individual rights can't be relinquished for the general good, and the tenets of justice that stipulate these rights can't be premised on any specific vision of the good life. What justifies the rights isn't that they augment the general welfare, but rather that they include a fair framework in which individuals can determine their own values and goals, consistent with the same liberty for others.
there is no such thing as society. there are only individuals living with one another. Living as oneself within the borders of ,,society's expectancy" is not individualism, it is social individuality, which leans towards submission to the good of ,,others". the sense of comradeship you talk about at the end comes actually from person to person, individual to individual, is very seldom something communal or a collective feeling of obligation. Individualism focuses on the individual and his right to be free. society does not suffer, the individual does. society does not grow, the individual does. if one man can grow all men can, and with time all men do. It is important to understand why to be an Individualist is never a bad thing, it doesn't mean selfishness. it is actually the embracing of one's true self.
Every ism could be measured against any other if evil, selfishness, and corruption weren't part of humanity. Individualism is the antidote to racism, and many other things too. Until it becomes selfish and unempathetic.
Human became human required interaction that mean collectivity. work separation cause collective individuality, and then family individuality and then personal individuality, in a specific historical time.😅
I'm not an individualist because it's someone else's belief, not my own, I don't follow groups at all, everything we were led to believe is false and therefore a person needs to be inventive, like HP Lovecraft (he wasn't an individualist, he was himself) was, just be yourself, you don't need to follow other people's beliefs, trends, subcultures, groups, religions, etc. By being different even in your beliefs than everyone else there's a risk no one will talk to you, but dare to be different, dare to invent, even invent your own witchcraft, in other words, be weird, be your own invention, even be eccentric. :)
This is what I'm talking about! Be who you are, always try to improve. There are times that the family's goals should be put first than personal ones. There also times where you should pursue your personal goals. Collectivism and Individualism is other people's ideology and conforming to either is detrimental. We do what we must!
I don't need feminism black rights LGBT or men rights white rights or straight prides. I am me and you are you. You decide who you are, I decide who I am. Never let society unfairly oppress no matter who you are. As long we remember that attitude , only real sexism even many others like racism and sexualphobia, will all be ended as they are servants of collectivism, social conformity and hierarchies. That's the core of our civil rights. started in Europe and the US. About the east, The Nazis never valued harmony despite being absolute collectivists . The Chinese government should stop that excuse say anti-individualism is the only way to be Chinese. Many cultures are collectivists and think loyalty is above all like the middle east and Africa. Confucianist Harmony and generation consciousness, rooted in ancient China, is a unique eastern concept, that is able go hand in hand with individualism as a form of social tolerance . Harmony is not assimilation.
Harmony is assimilation. Braindead Individualists is who brought us here in this mess. All degeneracy is rampant in an individualistic state. If you're such an individualist, you shouldn't recide in a civilisation because it's a collectivist idea. Narcissists don't like social conformity
Individualism presented by a pro collectivist organization. How can you present this topic without mentioning the ethical code of Individualism created by Ayn Rand. She achieved what the enlightenment had not. Especially through her groundbreaking work of concepts and the mind's faculty of unit economy. Individualism is not isolationism, the opposite is true because individualism recognizes the requirement of the trader principle, it does so placing the emphasis on voluntary action and the division of labour. Not third party interventionism.
Humans are social beings. We are not meant to be 'individuals'. We are meant to live in groups. We are meant to live among equals. Individualism is unnatural. Individualism is destroying modern society
There are enough people in this world that are both individualists and collectivists, so no need to worry folks. Also, people are a social creature that depends on each other no matter how much of an individual you think you are, you still rely on people in SOME way. Worrying about how far individualistic ideals go and if they will completely break from communal relationships with others is like worrying if people will stop having sex. Hint: they won't.
@west of whatever collectivism do not give up all individualism And moreover why you always take up extremist things. Even individualism leads to rebel groups or Amarchy movement Democracy is a 60 percent collectivism.
I don't understand why people are arguing between individualism and collectivism on which one is better? it just depends on how the government wants to play the game. It depends on one's own culture how they want to play the game. I can be individualistic when I'm with my close friends and also be collectivistic when I'm with my colleagues in an office or in 'politics'. In US, politicians are mixed individualistic and collectivistic. Both are the mighty swords, choose your card.
How to talk about individualism without mentioning Aristotle, Ayn Rand , reason: #1. Drill a hole in your head. #2. Dont define it. How to claim that Christianity caused individualism: #1. Evade man as an unreal, incomplete, part of a transcendental unity, God. #2. Evade the Christian soul/body split which validates “individualism” for the soul, not body. #. Don’t read “The Soul Of An Indivdualist” by Ayn Rand.
I think there’s a balance to walk. Yes we should care about our fellow man, but we should also create ourselves in order to better contribute to the world! I really don’t wish to become like an East Asian culture. Sorry not sorry.
@@TeaParty1776 well, parents make sacrifices for their children, and sometimes for their elderly parents. sometimes team sports promote the idea of making sacrifices for the team, tho i'm not at all sports minded and never fully understood or got engaged. Sometimes musicians will turn down a solo offer to remain in a group. If people are aiming for well being or goals as a group, they sometimes sacrifice individual opportunities or luxuries to make that possible.
@@wendyleeconnelly2939 Its selfish if they _value_ their children and parents. Etc. Selfishness is based on the objective needs of mans life as a whole, not on short-range emotions. Conventional selfishness is a religion-based, contradictory package-deal of life and short-range emotions, as if the same word is used for up and down or hard and soft. It destroys the minds focus onto reality. Objectivist Ethics-Ayn Rand
Salvation comes through believing in Jesus Christ as Lord/ God and that he died through crucifixion and he was resurrected from the dead and that he ascended into heaven and will come again to Judge the world all those who believe that get eternal salvation and those who do not get eternal condemnation.
@@kevinmccabe3984 You're only a cog in the system if you're an atomized individual that has no traditional identity only an identity in corporate brands
It is a statistical undeniable fact individualism is more pronounced in richer societies. And more than that, it is an inherently more moral position that offers freedom to YOU.
@@jynx3978 Which is true.... unironically there's this bigot who's the smartest guy I know. Of course I only know him online, but he can make perfectly coherent and understandable arguments for his 'bigotry'. Yes, the least racist place in the world is a place where you have crushed the individual, by preventing them from reaching their own conclusions, what I've noticed is that the most free thinking communities have their share of 'racists', the quotes are used as it really is hard to get a good definition on racism or to discuss the practicality of the word in some situations.
@@jynx3978 And secondly, it's cool to be bigoted is not common at all as a view. And again you find more bigotry when you view people as collectives, because that, precisely, is the ideology of the racist, he groups people into collectives by race rather than by individual.
The Declaration of independence states that individuals have rights and that the role of government is limited to protecting these rights. The Constitution lists these rights such as freedom of speech and right to bare arms. These are all individual rights. They used the word "we" because the colonies wanted to form a "government of the people" and get rid of the British king suppressing their individual rights.
Early America is the ONLY basically individualist culture in history. "We" has two meanings, many individuals and society as a mystical entity. Early Americans saw themselves as individuals, not unreal parts of a mystical entity. Your hidden context is religion.
@@oifikd1 Despite this america was a very collectivist society. Stating something doesn't mean it's followed. I state myself as God, will you believe it?
@@yydd4954 No matter how much you deny yes it can also create bigotry, in an individualistic culture your kid may join a subcultural group which believes being bigot is a sign of coolness and independence { neo nazis as being one example
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the group won't hesitate and sacrifice you so that it can survive.
Freedom and Independence are your shield and sword!
Amen, individualism or death.
@@samindaperamuna6392 Make it more straightforward, *"LIBERTY OR DEATH!"*
Preach!
So because the needs of the indevaul is more important then the need of the community I can act and behave how ever I want?
@@kittenmastermind660Let's reframe it: take you favorite family member or a very good friend or even a pet and now put him/her in a situation were it is either his wellbeing or that of the group. What do you value more? the needs of that individual family member or the needs of the group?
i think its important to note that there are good things that we all can learn from individualistic and collectivist cultures. rather than vilify one over the other, i think we should take a closer look into each culture, so we understand ourselves and the world around us.
@hiOOxkr magkis if there's a spectrum (individual vs community), id say america is far more individual. where would you say america lies on that spectrum?
@hiOOxkr magkis لعن آل سعود فضيله hwat u would be surprised to know the libs are more angry at individualism cause they think its capitalistic western idea haha.
@@paulwakefield1015 def in the middle
I come from eastern culture family background, and well, I don't like it because in every part of life I should conform to common values I was told to without question. Therefore, I quit being collectivist and choose individualism rather. I do enjoy it, I appreciate myself as an individual and I also appreciate others as other individuals...
Collectivism is oppression of the individual and repression of self expression. Each one of us is unique and has the capacity to function on our own without following fake morals and forfeiting innovation.
@@samindaperamuna6392 True. I have to spread this ideal everywhere but apparently most of the world cannot process such an ideal.
@@Muesto123 Only sheep suffer from this problem
@@samindaperamuna6392 Yes we all unquie And that isnt always a good thing hitler was unquie and it lead to 6 million dead
Humans are social creatures. We're instinctly more happy being in a stable strong family and this a science fact. Individualism allow you to sacrifice this human bond for your own wants and desires. In a world where individualism is highly preached , depression rates are through the roof ,people dying alone in their appartement and their bodies not being discovered until the smell of their flesh is noticed. Not that good of a thing
I see so many people misunderstand Individualism thinking it's about being selfish (in bad sense) and not engaging with other people. Individualism is about humans treated as 'ends' and not as 'means' vs collectivism treating humans as 'means' to achieve "greater good". So Individualist can and should engage with others, as long as he is free to leave. Society that has accepted collectivism prevents and shames people who leave E.g. oppressive work environment and say that he can't leave since he would hurt the whole workplace
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I believe in individualism, we shouldn't live based on people believes and orders, because we know ourselves the best, yet others know nothing about you
I lived in both cultures middle eastern and western for long enough, both has its own ups and downs. For example the homeless rate in middle eastern countries is way lower “almost non existent” compared to western countries because the sense of community and taking care of each other. If someone for example your cousin was in need, the whole family would put money together just to secure him an apartment or take care of the rent.
But on the other hand, family and cultural values are very important that can get in your way, Specially for women.
Agreed, the central point that this video completely misses is when they make the statement “you find yourself in the crowd”. Who is “the crowd”? The crowd(s) are diverse and each individual’s identity is different. That’s why it’s important to place a higher value on the individual when passing laws and regulations and not the/a group. The individual must have the freedom to choose which groups that defines them. And they should ultimately decide which groups they value more. This is the fundamental definition of individualism.
Living based on people's beliefs and orders is not in itself bad at all.
What's bad is if those beliefs and orders are detrimental to the individual.
There are times that the family's goals should be put first than personal ones. There also times where you should pursue your personal goals
Whenever those against individualism talk about it, they always have to use the phrase rugged individualism. This is a straw man. This is not what individualism means. Individualism simply means that the individual is not the means to an end, but an end in and of herself. Whenever folks put a qualifier on a word, such as in intellectual dishonesty , they are manipulating the meaning of the word. The group is not the base unit. The individual is.
That's why there are so many people in "individualist" country died alone, mostly by suicide
Society should be made up of individuals assisting one another. The only form of "collectivism" that should ever exist is moral responsibility. Any other form of collectivist thought leads to societal organization and structuring, which always leads to human misery.
What about individuals who can't manage on their own. We are social creatures who rely on the presence and aid of others
@@e.k.o5412 individuals help other individuals. There is no need to be told how to help someone by a "higher power"
Concur. Now more than ever, our failings as a society/culture (American here) are clearer than ever; look at the state of our coronavirus response. People are rebelling and complaining about stupid masks because it "infringes on their right to breathe". People like them are putting others at risk and I blame them. Mask isn't for you, it's to protect those around you.
Hail individualism where only oneself matters.
A lot of good that is doing us. I'm not trying to start anything, it's just what I see and it makes me sad. Hopefully things will get better soon. Hopefully people will wake up. Look at Asian countries, even the democratic ones (South Korea). Their responses have been WORLD's better than ours. The people are more united. I feel like Americans are more divided now than they have ever been.
To all of the other Americans out there - I love you guys. Can we please help to protect one another and work together?
I agree. It's morally responsible for us to quarantine and wear masks so we don't harm the general collective . I don't know why that's so hard for alot of Americans to grasp . Honestly I think it's because the US government has no financial social safety net right now so people are willing to risk their lives and others to pay the bills . It's a sad situation
@@erkhardtify I 100000 percent agree with you
I'm a simple man and I believe in Individualism.
@London English tutor
That's a very stupid thing to write. Why would individuals want to crash their cars resulting in accidents? Evidence please!'
Stop calling yourself "london english tutor", because that's a lie.
@@blastgrinder7024 ....I mean wtf do we have traffic laws...or any laws for that matter, if humans are perfectly capable of behaving like angels? That's not reality. The reality is we have a system in place to protect the group from individuals who act destructively.
@@Ylemonade Not crashing your car doesn't make you an angel. And as you know, laws and systems doesn't hinder destructive people from being destructive.
He is saying that individuals can't handle themselves, but I say that they very much can handle themselves and be respectful for other individuals.
I just think the example with traffic was bad, very slippery slope.
It's a hole argument in this town
I'm a collectivist :)
I highly reccommend reading AYN RAND, the russian - american philosopher who nailed the moral of individualism.
Do not make the mistake of the ignorant who think that an individualist is a man who says: “I’ll do as I please at everybody else’s expense.” An individualist is a man who recognizes the inalienable individual rights of man-his own and those of others.
An individualist is a man who says: “I will not run anyone’s life-nor let anyone run mine. I will not rule nor be ruled. I will not be a master nor a slave. I will not sacrifice myself to anyone-nor sacrifice anyone to myself.”
this is one of the best phrase about individualism I've read today, thanks. Can I put this in my paper?
@@bainisak.mastura8212 Sure. But don't forget to mention Ayn Rand, it's her quote.
The thing is, you imply that individualism isn't inherently selfish (at everybody's expense), however by the very premise that 'others' don't come into part of it's philosophy means it IS selfish by default. Lockean theory also very much does assert that one can use others as a means to ones own ends, which is essentially what Rand developed her work on the back of.
Not to mention Locke disregarded the entire class of 'hand-to-mouth' wage labourers, stating they essentially weren't capable of political thought. So effectively he was saying "all men are created equal, all men that own capital that is"
@@MarcoPaints the thing is that we have to read and understand what each philosopher wrote and meant. I have read Ayn Rand's books, have you? If so, send me a segment in which she writes that "one can use others as a means to own end". I bet you won't find it, because she never wrote that. In the other hand, what she wrote is that individualism means that every men and women are an end in him / herself. What means that no one has the right to use other people to owns end, exactly the opposite of what you said (I see that most of the time people "put words in Rand's mouth", people who never read Rand's books / texts). Individualism means that the moral thing to do (which is beneficial to YOU as an individual and rational being) is to TRADE with other people voluntarily. Selfishness means self interest, and not acting at everybody's expense. READ before you say that you know what Rand wrote, that's more honest - which is also a selfish value. ;-) Your life will be much better, with no guilt for being selfish and understanding what it really means.
Individualism is a philosophy that puts the individual above the group, collective, and the state.
When taken to its logical conclusion we come to ideas such as self ownership/individual sovereignty: That individuals have a legitimate claim to sovereignty, as only individuals have the ability to enact agency, and that all extenal governance over the individual denies their right of sovereignty, so is illegitimate.
Individualism is not about isolating yourself from groups or other individuals, being self sufficient, or selfishiness. It is neither for, nor against these things.
If the majority of your neighbours want you to die would you agree?
@London English tutor you should stop teaching english until you understand it
😎, that is not what in Turkey is. Anarchism requires individualism. It is freedom. Anarchism simply means no rulers. Nothing else.
@London English tutor Or we do away with road and airspace laws and instead everyone buys ATVs and in the future personal small aircrafts
@@rajanikumari2080 hittler was unquie And he killed 6 no agreeing or not because indavuismalism exists
Individualism is the smartest way to be
The problem is that most people don't understand what REAL individualism is, just like this video. Real individualism understands that its about caring about each individual from an individualistic perspective through moral value of each individual life and experiences. Thus each INDIVIDUAL cares about the next INDIVIDUAL and by default it gives our lives MEANING and result in us caring about each other regardless of our group. Taking responsibility as individuals is the path to to the future.
Very well said. Ten people standing in a circle. I see ten individuals not a group of ten.
Well said!
i believe in individualism because people are actual individuals, with their own experiences and preferences.
Spartan 506 By “man” do you mean North Korea or something?
100% agree
Yes me too but too much individualism is the problem. Its when teenagers go extremely selfish and develops this, "I don't give a shit" attitude and extreme egoism.
@Spartan 506 yup agreed. All about the balance in every scenarios.
Sadly believing in individualism is somewhat flawed. Just look at criminals. You can tell them that they need to take responsibility as much as you like, but if the environment where they live in is fostering crime there is a strong chance that they will keep doing it.
I'm no philosopher but IMO, things aren't black and white here. In terms of getting stuff done, collectivist ideas definitely triumph. Some of the greatest things we have in life today cannot be made by one man alone. We needed a team to go to the moon, we needed a team to invent the internet, and we needed a team to build the highways. Even in modern-day, many of the products we use cannot exist without the collaboration of many people. Humans evolved to be social creatures, we naturally benefit in a group.
That said, just as collectives can do good, they can also do bad. Many extreme political groups used collectivism to gain power and have harmed millions through the power of the team. This is where I think individualism is really important. It's very important to recognize when a group is beneficial or detrimental. To have the ability to think for yourself is very important. In fact, good practice of individualism also benefits the group. If each individual has their own unique learnings and experiences, then the group becomes much more diverse and powerful as a result. But just like collectivism however, individualism can have its bad sides. A person so focused on the self loses sympathy for others. An inability to stand in the shoes of others leads to bigotry and hate.
All in all, the best solution is to have a mixture of both, and each can benefit from the other.
So there's my two cents. Like I said I have no philosophical training, so take things with a grain of salt.
I agree. I come down on the side of individualism, but I recognize the need for teamwork sometimes.
Individualism is about mans BASIC relationship to other people in society. AFTER an individual thinks by and for himself, THEN he can join a team of other individualists in a private, profit-making company. Individualism is based on the independent mind, not on emotion, not on the absurd desire to live alone w/no cooperation with other people with similar values. Individualism is not about a hermit in a cave.
Going to the moon (science) and highways (transportation) are not proper govt functions. The Internet was created by mostly private action. Even the govts role was indirectly the product of private action. If the govt had not contributed and if the market wanted an internet, then it would have been done. Socialism is a miserable, unproductive failure. Prior to capitalism, history is 200K years of extremely low productivity and inovation.
@Anonymous User #5463 yeah pretty much collectivism is emotional and mental suicide.
Rubbish, in theory yes, collectivists praise and celebrate me when it suits them, when it can make them look good! But the rest of the time I'm a psychological punchbag, hence why I don't like socialising and always aim to stay in doors learning, doing and making stuff.
I think thats sad. Maybe u were put on a wrong environment thats why collectivism doesnt work for u
@@cue4070 Put in a wrong environment? What environment were you put in?
Collectivism is collectivism whatever environment it is in and I'm speaking about the ideology, not the environment.
Collectivism is for limiting individual freedom for the benefit of wider society. And that's great if you're not independently striving for success, you won't feel it, if anything it will feel like a helping hand lifting you above your more independent counterparts.
@@C.D.J.Burton You are assuming that collectivism is a dogma that all “collectivist” societies adhere to. That’s lazy thinking. Every society has a degree of collectivism in them. Scandinavia has collectivism, France has collectivism, Germany has collectivism, even U.K. and the U.S. have it. Each of these countries implement collectivist policies according to their unique concrete situations.
I’m assuming you’re one of those libertarians who get triggered at posts criticizing individual freedom without even trying to understand what’s being said. The identity politics individualism promotes which results in the segregation and compartmentalization of individuals within societies, ignoring the inherent interconnectedness within, is what I am against.
@@cue4070 No, not at all. I'm neither assuming nor discounting that:
"collectivism is a dogma that all “collectivist” societies adhere to"
You assumed that, pretty lazy thinking isn't it?
"Every society has a degree of collectivism"
...you don't say! You could go one step further and say that every group has a bit of groupy-ness about it, while simultaneously stating that not every group conforms to the same degree of groupy-ness! Wow, mind blown, not!
"I’m assuming you’re one of those libertarians who get triggered at posts criticizing individual freedom without even trying to understand what’s being said"
Well you assume a lot.
"The identity politics individualism promotes which results in the segregation and compartmentalization of individuals within societies, ignoring the inherent interconnectedness within, is what I am against."
Let me rephrase this for this for the general public:
Individualism promotes a brand of identity-politics which encourages the separation of individuals as well as the merging of smaller tribes, ignoring the natural urge for connectivity within us (humans/mammals etc).
Let me explain why this is wrong.
For example, if I decide to stop identifying with the overarching label "Europe/UK/British/English etc" and decide to form a smaller alliance (or simply identify with) only skinny white guys who like Queen songs, that isn't the individualism at play, that is still collectivism. Just because the group is smaller, doesn't mean it's not a group. Individualism is definitively about individuals thinking for themselves and not conforming to others (like sheep). So I'd agree that it promotes the atomisation of society, but I wouldn't throw "compartmentalisation" in there also. That word is definitively collectivistic, hence why it starts with the prefix "co".
co-, prefix. co- comes from Latin, where it has the meaning "joint, jointly, together. ... A similar meaning for this prefix is "auxiliary, helping. '' This meaning is found in such words as: copilot.
The assumption that humans are naturally social is just that, an assumption. Humans are social as far as it's worth it. This is similar to the frequent claim for communism/socialism, that we are inherently/instinctively altruistic. It's like, why you trying to convince us then? If this is naturally the case, why are you still struggling to get half the planet to agree with you, why does south Korea (as a nation) or every conservative in the world fight this deep-rooted biological urge every day?
Secondly, ID-politics is not an individualists idea of fun. The idea, to decide based on identity, clearly manifests itself at the hands of those who subscribe to the same identity. Nomads don't usually speak on behalf of others.
I also don't get triggered at much believe it or not. You could say it's the stoic in me. I enjoy speaking with people about this stuff, even those who hate me.
@@cue4070 Had any thoughts Lynn?
I lived in both cultures middle eastern and western for long enough, both has its own ups and downs. For example the homeless rate in middle eastern countries is way lower “almost non existent” compared to western countries because of the sense of community and taking care of each other. If someone for example your cousin was in need, the whole family would put money together just to secure him an apartment or take care of the rent.
But on the other hand, family and cultural values are very important that can get in your way, Specially for women.
Why can't just people learn to balance and not label themselves. They limit themselves as strict collectivists or overtly free individualists.
There are times that the family's goals should be put first than personal ones. There also times where you should pursue your personal goals
@@UN1VERS3S Because people have PRIORITIES. You don't tell people to so-called balance their lives when there are things that are more important to them. For example, you don't tell women who value their careers more to focus on family and vice versa for women valuing their families. It's a matter of focus not balance.
you have an awesome perspective VDinosaur. and great thought. i absolutely love your other countries approach on homelessness. and a perfect example of valuing community over individual
@@jeremyborno6502 We do exactly tell them to balance and not fall in either side of the pit that's what he is endorsing.
Balance is the key.
individualism leads to shallow consumerism? really now?
That is usually just said by people trying to push collectivism ideas to hard. Communist do this
With individualism there is zero incentive to do anything for the greater good save for personal profit. The good of the country, community, or even family is subordinated to the personal good.
@@Peachcreekmedia As long as you're not directly hurting anyone else, it is nobody else's business what you're doing.
@eric pone:
That’s just one kind of individualism. Not all individualists think like that.
With collectivism, make one false move considered a trespass and you’re a misfit and an outcast virtually forever. You’ve lost your community membership card.
SerjEpic I believe many people who throw the word individualism around, don’t understand the difference between the concepts of individualism vs. uniqueness. Consumerism has become driven by the need to feel unique, to stand out. Clothing, cosmetics, automobiles, houses, etc., are examples of goods that manufacturers/retailers have become marketing experts on how to exploit the consumers’ need to feel unique, under the guise of promoting individualism. SAUPRE AUDE (Dare to Know) is a challenge to each individual to ask questions, investigate the facts (from reliable sources), consider ulterior motives of anyone claiming to be an expert on a subject matter, and then form an opinion or position based on the knowledge you have independently gained. Unfortunately, many in our society take the least time consuming route and simply regurgitates what they read on social media. When you used the word communism in your comment, it leads me to believe you are one of those who fall into the former category and I hope you take the time to dare to know/learn what true communism is. I have been asking a lot of Americans who are all regurgitating the same sentences/terms about communism to explain to me their understanding of what communism is/means, and out of 24 people I have queried, none of them came close to a correct definition/explanation and many simply replied with horrible insults. I think it’s actually kind of humorous because it proves one of my theories that people truly do believe anything they read on social media and the internet, with a total lack of critical thinking skills.
Individualism is part of pluralism. We all are separate beings, have separate mind and body, and deal with our own life. Individualism is just the opposite of Monism or non dualty, which states we all are same and one single consciousness, the mind of god. But scientifically, more specifically psycology, we all are separate brains and bodies and we all interact separately with our surrounding. But we all are conscious. Some people become so much egocentric that they only believe themselves and believe that they are only cOnscious and in turn become solipcists.
Individualism makes you be more responsible for your decisions, instead democracy or collectivism forces you to "fit in" like everybody of the population.
Yeah
Being responsible for your own decisions & actions has a domino offect on everybody around you
Like it can give a good or bad outcome depending on them
Ain't that the same in collectivism. You're also responsible for your decisions there.
idk in my life, many group of people usually do me wrong due to misunderstanding me. they labeled me as selfish when actually my intention was different. Yes i have behavioural problems, probably thats why. but its sad to see when people are in groups, they eat each other whenever they got chance and in a nasty way but they still stay together like the relationship seems like plastic but it last. Not for me tho, i separate myself because i know they wont change on how they treat me, I am tired of being an outcast too but... I am more feeling safer with just me. I do still hope that my work or whatever i do would still be a benefit to others in a good way ,thats the only thing to make me still human. I also do try to forgive somehow with those people who do me wrong , relatives, classmates, coworkers . Actually pandemic saved me from dealing with coworkers as we work from home now. We rarely talk, so less conflict. We just have listed task to do. I dont have to work on groups , we do it individually which did made me feel ok and thankful. Yep, every chaos theres always a positive side on it.
I think it’s safe to say that collectivism is no better when it comes to the “break down of society”. I don’t see a pattern of individuals burning down buildings, looting stores, and defacing property.
@Spartan 506 No they are collective.
@Spartan 506 if you think women's rights and lgbt rights are individualist concepts you're not very bright
@Jason Bonaparte They are people brainwashed by narratives and ideaologies to go apeshit on anyone against them. Try arguing with these people they wont have valid point and just be louder and just storm off because they dont know what they are talking about, they believe in a narrative made by a community, a collective. If you were talking to an individual theyd actually listen to people and know what they are talking about.
@Jason Bonaparte in my most honest opinion, i think that individuals or individual people can gain more capabilities and opporunities given the fact that they have freedom of action to do what ever they want; so they have more control over what they do and have more insight of what is happening. I observed that if people are in a collective some set rules restrict people from what they want to do and it denies them of their freedom. I think that individuals are smarter because they see the world in their own two eyes and they dont seen the world in a biased lens.While collectivists blindly follows what makes the general consensus happy even though he/she is unaware of what is happening because they do not want to get punished for not showing support (virtue signaling).
The people on those groups are individuals.
Given the rampant tribalism bepalling the Earth and disincentivizing folks to self-actualize, individualism can’t afford to keel over. Also worth pointing out that humans have varying levels of sociability and desire for point-blank connections, so some are more conducive to individualism than others. People come out of distinct wombs, not assembly lines designed for uniformity.
Lastly, the reason Eastern countries are more collectivistic is because they’re a lot more homogeneous in terms of demographics. Given the human lust for patterns and known quantities, a group-centered bias is very easy to embody.
Can’t replicate that model in pluralistic countries where exposure to different people of varying backgrounds is more frequent. And yet that’s precisely what neo-nationalists are seeking to achieve via their fear of the unknown.
Humankind is more interconnected than ever before and things like the bolstering od LGBTQ and women’s rights transpire worldwide at a gradually brisk rate, meaning that individualism will likely trounce tribalism over time... provided pied piper figures don’t get the upper hand by using the masses to further their collectivistic goals.
Being human’s an art, not a science.
"Humankind is more interconnected than ever before and things like the bolstering od LGBTQ and women’s rights transpire worldwide at a gradually brisk rate, meaning that individualism will likely trounce tribalism over time... provided pied piper figures don’t get the upper hand by using the masses to further their collectivistic goals."
This has not happened and likely will not, technology is not a useful replacement for community and face to fact interaction as been proven by countless studies. LGBTQ are arguably in and of themselves a tribe, once we destroy other collective identities we backslide into new ones.
More individual minded people are more likely to donate to charity.
Charity is next to useless. Taxes and collective action causes lasting change. People donate to charity for tax breaks or to look good and gain individual reputation.
This is very true.
@@WendingWind charity is better than welfare
it works okay at the local level (where your neighbours will alienate you if you don't participate lol), but you're just wrong and that is probably bait.
Social spending is far more effective than charity, as easily demonstrated by modern countries with high social spending actually being the nicest places to live. A libertarian country would be a comparatively terrible place to live. Just compare the USA to pretty much anywhere in Europe.
The only people who think charity is better than wealth redistribution are disingenuous people who want to opt out of paying taxes AND giving charitably or those who have been infected with the ancap brainworm.
@@praxlandy Charity has big overheads, relies on 'good will' of rich people (really it's just tax break opportunities), less oversight or accountability, is effectively a plaster over a bleeding wound and so on...the idea it's better than welfare is so unbelievably short sighted it's hardly worth arguing.
I do what I like, what makes me feel good and happy. You do what you like and feel good about. If our interest, preference and style matches, it's great. We are great buddies. But, please don't do anythingy. for the sake of copying me. I like people with their own individuality. Sometimes, our individuality won't match. But, that's alright. That's what makes who we really are. Why change it? Even if we try to change for the sake of others, it won't last long. Eventually, we will come back to the real version of ourselves.
Individual is the only thing which matters. People co-exist for mutual benefit. Many forget that
Shouldnt someone presenting an idea and trying to teach it be unbiased? Because this seems heavily biased...
The BBC is heavily biased
They subtly praised China in the video
Am sorry, I really don't think it's possible to be a true individualist and still want to be part of a conglomerate... That is just as absurd as Camus saying that there is no point to life but that's ok! No it's not, and you cannot be both of the above...
In terms of developed countries, Europe or Canada is more collectivist than america because they have one of the best generous welfare systems in the world and free healthcare.
I’ll just leave this here, words from 1944 that really will never age and must always be remembered otherwise civilization as we know it will perish...
"This is the fundamental fact on which the whole philosophy of individualism is based . It does not assume , as is often asserted , that man is egotistic or selfish , or ought to be . It merely starts from the indisputable fact that the limits of our powers of imagination make it impossible to include in our scale of values more than a sector of the needs of the whole society , and that , since , strictly speaking , scales of value can exist only in individual minds , nothing but partial scales of values exist , scales which are inevitably different and often inconsistent with each other . From this the individualist concludes that individuals should be allowed , within defined limits , to follow their own values and preferences rather than somebody else's , that within these spheres the individual's system of ends should be supreme and not subject to any dictation by others ." ( F. A. Hayek, 1944, The Road to Serfdom )
With rights come responsibilities. You can not have one without the other.
Either man owns himself OR he is a moral slave.
@London English tutor You evade reason as cause of individualism. Subjectivism is not individualism, as Ayn Rand showed in _The Fountainhead_.
@London English tutor:
I guess that’s the risks we all have to take.
Btw, not all individualists think alike.
Hayek
We are at a point, a precise moment in history were we must make a choice. Forget climate change, forget racism, and realize that the human race as a whole is risk. Get rid of the labels and recognize each as a human that has different value. If you dont work you dont eat, whether come from a garden you grow or the grocer you buy it from the means and the level at which you eat is in your hands. The government is not the answer in any situation and is filled with those who think they are better than you and rely solely upon you for everything they have and want. They want alot, like the power that you allow them to have over you. Power must be transferred back to the individual, not the people. The individual has to make the decision to better themselves. There is no situation that the individual should ever give up the right to be an individual and the sovereignty that independence of individualism gives inherently. Family's, at one time, produced individuals because the family was used to mold characteristics of individualism in each member it produced without animosity towards each other. I will die on this hill.
My jam is a mysterious “fourth” option
All -isms go too far. We are individuals with some amount of autonomy. Yet 'who I am' is in part constructed from the people who are around me as I grow up. How I survive in this world is decided by the skills I have received from others. My goals exist within and are molded by the parameters of the society in which I live.
So, life experience and historical investigation tells me that both individual autonomy and collective action are at the heart of all societies. These exist on a continuum, are not mutually exclusive.
Individual rights can't be relinquished for the general good, and the tenets of justice that stipulate these rights can't be premised on any specific vision of the good life. What justifies the rights isn't that they augment the general welfare, but rather that they include a fair framework in which individuals can determine their own values and goals, consistent with the same liberty for others.
there is no such thing as society. there are only individuals living with one another. Living as oneself within the borders of ,,society's expectancy" is not individualism, it is social individuality, which leans towards submission to the good of ,,others". the sense of comradeship you talk about at the end comes actually from person to person, individual to individual, is very seldom something communal or a collective feeling of obligation. Individualism focuses on the individual and his right to be free. society does not suffer, the individual does. society does not grow, the individual does. if one man can grow all men can, and with time all men do. It is important to understand why to be an Individualist is never a bad thing, it doesn't mean selfishness. it is actually the embracing of one's true self.
Individualism is good for economic innovation, collectivism is good for having close family ties and an antidote to loneliness.
@American Ancap:
Hardly. Sometimes all you have to do is be a creative.
I’m hoping you don’t think all creatives are rightists....?
Every ism could be measured against any other if evil, selfishness, and corruption weren't part of humanity. Individualism is the antidote to racism, and many other things too. Until it becomes selfish and unempathetic.
I pursue my sense of individuality. I have everything I need to improve, yet I'm just hollow and obeying a path to foggy to see.
It's good cuz you're not a NPC.
It's bad cuz you're not a NPC?
Human became human required interaction that mean collectivity. work separation cause collective individuality, and then family individuality and then personal individuality, in a specific historical time.😅
I'm not an individualist because it's someone else's belief, not my own, I don't follow groups at all, everything we were led to believe is false and therefore a person needs to be inventive, like HP Lovecraft (he wasn't an individualist, he was himself) was, just be yourself, you don't need to follow other people's beliefs, trends, subcultures, groups, religions, etc. By being different even in your beliefs than everyone else there's a risk no one will talk to you, but dare to be different, dare to invent, even invent your own witchcraft, in other words, be weird, be your own invention, even be eccentric. :)
Go go!
This is what I'm talking about!
Be who you are, always try to improve.
There are times that the family's goals should be put first than personal ones. There also times where you should pursue your personal goals.
Collectivism and Individualism is other people's ideology and conforming to either is detrimental.
We do what we must!
Inforced collectivism is just another top-down power structure like any other. Individualism is the only bottom-up power structure.
I follow the crowds and social norms, but that doesn't mean I'm not myself.
The only "degeneracy" is always in collectivism! Be individual,and if you wanna help the others,do it on your own free will!😎
Individualism can only work in a homogeneous society.
Ya mean heterogeneous due to different cultures from around the world
This is either propaganda, aimed at five year olds, written by a teenager, or some combination of the three.
it is kinda simplistic
what do you expect from the BBC
individualism is always in jeopardy.
I don't need feminism black rights LGBT or men rights white rights or straight prides.
I am me and you are you. You decide who you are, I decide who I am. Never let society unfairly oppress no matter who you are.
As long we remember that attitude , only real
sexism even many others like racism and sexualphobia, will all be ended as they are servants of collectivism, social conformity and hierarchies.
That's the core of our civil rights. started in Europe and the US.
About the east, The Nazis never valued harmony despite being absolute collectivists . The Chinese government should stop that excuse say anti-individualism is the only way to be Chinese. Many cultures are collectivists and think loyalty is above all like the middle east and Africa. Confucianist Harmony and generation consciousness, rooted in ancient China, is a unique eastern concept, that is able go hand in hand with individualism as a form of social tolerance . Harmony is not assimilation.
Harmony is assimilation.
Braindead Individualists is who brought us here in this mess.
All degeneracy is rampant in an individualistic state.
If you're such an individualist, you shouldn't recide in a civilisation because it's a collectivist idea.
Narcissists don't like social conformity
That sounds like individualism is a poor thing .
Reject Individualism Embrace the Hivemind
If somethings funny I laugh. If it's not, then I don't laugh.
I amm a hardcore individualist because I hate people being meddlesome
Individualists are low iq
Individualism presented by a pro collectivist organization. How can you present this topic without mentioning the ethical code of Individualism created by Ayn Rand. She achieved what the enlightenment had not. Especially through her groundbreaking work of concepts and the mind's faculty of unit economy. Individualism is not isolationism, the opposite is true because individualism recognizes the requirement of the trader principle, it does so placing the emphasis on voluntary action and the division of labour. Not third party interventionism.
Some would say starving tens of millions of people to death without questioning your ideas is selfish. Well, not the collectivist.
Humans are social beings. We are not meant to be 'individuals'. We are meant to live in groups. We are meant to live among equals. Individualism is unnatural. Individualism is destroying modern society
Embarrassing 🤢
@@RealShrigmaMale gay
@@javierperalta7648 homophobia much?
@Solemn Noise Letting everyone do whatever they want = degeneracy. Just look at the West
@@javierperalta7648 Letting everyone do what they want so long as they don’t hurt anyone is literally the only good way of life.
Jesus got it right, Christianity messed it up, The body of Christ is about all of us coming together in communion with God.
It's true
But, you still also have the moral high ground to do what's right or wrong
If your actions & words will help yourself & others
😔 I’m sorry didn’t try to offend anybody,😔 I was just pointing out that My Jesus was a COMMUNIST!!!! ✊😂🤣
@@nestorespaillat9204 you mean that communion was a communist thing
There are enough people in this world that are both individualists and collectivists, so no need to worry folks. Also, people are a social creature that depends on each other no matter how much of an individual you think you are, you still rely on people in SOME way. Worrying about how far individualistic ideals go and if they will completely break from communal relationships with others is like worrying if people will stop having sex. Hint: they won't.
@west of whatever collectivism do not give up all individualism
And moreover why you always take up extremist things.
Even individualism leads to rebel groups or Amarchy movement
Democracy is a 60 percent collectivism.
So much things in 2 minutes
Collectivism can not exist without violence against others. Individualism can.
The End.
Nonsense
That doesn't make any sense and it's actually the opposite
Dare to think for yourself
This video presents a good pro-collectivist viewpoint.
Group thinking with low moral responsibility is the worst form of collectivism.
I don't understand why people are arguing between individualism and collectivism on which one is better? it just depends on how the government wants to play the game. It depends on one's own culture how they want to play the game. I can be individualistic when I'm with my close friends and also be collectivistic when I'm with my colleagues in an office or in 'politics'. In US, politicians are mixed individualistic and collectivistic. Both are the mighty swords, choose your card.
Correct
I am is the friends I keep.
How to talk about individualism without mentioning Aristotle, Ayn Rand , reason:
#1. Drill a hole in your head.
#2. Dont define it.
How to claim that Christianity caused individualism:
#1. Evade man as an unreal, incomplete, part of a transcendental unity, God.
#2. Evade the Christian soul/body split which validates “individualism” for the soul, not body.
#. Don’t read “The Soul Of An Indivdualist” by Ayn Rand.
What are you talking about? Aside from the names Aristotle and Ayn Rand, I understand just about none of that.
@@horrorhabit8421 Rands, _The Fountainhead_, is a story about individualism. Its a book and movie. It provides the concrete facts about individualism.
hunh??
Very good topics are being published here ,very good channal
Basil Raswl yeah so thought provoking! It’s amazing how much you can learn in three minutes
Individualism is the way to true happiness.
Even tho individualism is a problem with black, woman, trans and gay people
@@pathowogenempire9968 that’s their problem can’t force people to live how you want them to live.
@@MightymorphinpowerbottomsIndividualism can also lead to hatred
curious if anyone on here is a christ follower? if so, i'd love to here whether you believe individual or community is more .....christ like
I think there’s a balance to walk. Yes we should care about our fellow man, but we should also create ourselves in order to better contribute to the world! I really don’t wish to become like an East Asian culture. Sorry not sorry.
No balance. Man should think of himself as an individual and relate to others that way. There is no rational justification for sacrifice to a group.
@@TeaParty1776 well, parents make sacrifices for their children, and sometimes for their elderly parents. sometimes team sports promote the idea of making sacrifices for the team, tho i'm not at all sports minded and never fully understood or got engaged. Sometimes musicians will turn down a solo offer to remain in a group. If people are aiming for well being or goals as a group, they sometimes sacrifice individual opportunities or luxuries to make that possible.
@@wendyleeconnelly2939 Its selfish if they _value_ their children and parents. Etc. Selfishness is based on the objective needs of mans life as a whole, not on short-range emotions. Conventional selfishness is a religion-based, contradictory package-deal of life and short-range emotions, as if the same word is used for up and down or hard and soft. It destroys the minds focus onto reality.
Objectivist Ethics-Ayn Rand
Salvation comes through believing in Jesus Christ as Lord/ God and that he died through crucifixion and he was resurrected from the dead and that he ascended into heaven and will come again to Judge the world all those who believe that get eternal salvation and those who do not get eternal condemnation.
Fast forward to 2020, look at America now, fighting each other, collapsing, because of extreme individualism
Individualism is weakness
exactly what a collectivist would say
Collectivism is weakness. If You sacrifice your potential to be a cog in the system, you rob yourself of your own humanity
@@kevinmccabe3984 You're only a cog in the system if you're an atomized individual that has no traditional identity only an identity in corporate brands
@@kevinmccabe3984 An entire group VS one individual in a battle who do you think would win? Lmao
@Playstation1 I’d rather be my own person but okay. You Trump supporting communist.
It is a statistical undeniable fact individualism is more pronounced in richer societies. And more than that, it is an inherently more moral position that offers freedom to YOU.
Not true, it can also create much more divide and freedom to hate on anything different
@@jynx3978 Which is a more common tenet of collectivism.
@@Cecilia-ky3uwIn an individualistic society someone may think it's cool to be bigoted and a sign of independence
@@jynx3978 Which is true.... unironically there's this bigot who's the smartest guy I know. Of course I only know him online, but he can make perfectly coherent and understandable arguments for his 'bigotry'.
Yes, the least racist place in the world is a place where you have crushed the individual, by preventing them from reaching their own conclusions, what I've noticed is that the most free thinking communities have their share of 'racists', the quotes are used as it really is hard to get a good definition on racism or to discuss the practicality of the word in some situations.
@@jynx3978 And secondly, it's cool to be bigoted is not common at all as a view. And again you find more bigotry when you view people as collectives, because that, precisely, is the ideology of the racist, he groups people into collectives by race rather than by individual.
I prefer much more Jordan Peterson’s analysis of individualism, not this surface level approach
terrible video
Right now individualism is shit
*No, and its unamerican- as the Declaration of independence & Constitution use the pronoun WE but never I.*
The Declaration of independence states that individuals have rights and that the role of government is limited to protecting these rights. The Constitution lists these rights such as freedom of speech and right to bare arms. These are all individual rights. They used the word "we" because the colonies wanted to form a "government of the people" and get rid of the British king suppressing their individual rights.
Early America is the ONLY basically individualist culture in history. "We" has two meanings, many individuals and society as a mystical entity. Early Americans saw themselves as individuals, not unreal parts of a mystical entity. Your hidden context is religion.
Dumbest thing ever said
@@oifikd1 Despite this america was a very collectivist society.
Stating something doesn't mean it's followed.
I state myself as God, will you believe it?
WASP
Individualism is best
Collectivists will keep fighting with each other
Individualist mind their own business
False
@@jynx3978 ok
@@yydd4954Individualism can also be responsible for bigotry
@@jynx3978 nope it cannot be
You believe something and I don't agree is about Individualism
I can't impose my thoughts on you and same for you too
@@yydd4954 No matter how much you deny yes it can also create bigotry, in an individualistic culture your kid may join a subcultural group which believes being bigot is a sign of coolness and independence { neo nazis as being one example
Useless
I like racism
sick
That's a sign of individualism
Individualism is good for the individual and collectivism is good for the collective, booooooo0om