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This really is an exceptional pedal, very pleased to have it, very pleased its this good.
0:00 Intro
2:50 Setup
4:08 Sounds
5:32 Wow & Flutter
8:09 Saturation
9:25 Variations of Noise
11:11 Failure (the real good stuff)
16:50 Chorus Tangent
17:50 Models
22:32 Aux Modes
26:00 Dip Switches / advance setup
28:06 Complaining about TRS midi again
29:04 Expression / Bounce
32:34 Presets
34:14 Classic Mode
38:12 Conclusions - เพลง
80s: we finally fixed all those tape problems. 2020s: we finally made a great pedal to recreate those tape problems.
I grew up in the 80s and was into hi fidelity, so yeah it's pretty funny to pay 400 for all the stuff we were trying to get rid of. And yet, I love this pedal.
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$400 for all the cool stuff all those wacky machines burned into our conscious. Nostalgia at its best! ❤
So glad I kept my Teac pro cassette deck from 1985. OK... not really.
Well put…. Now put that pedal in my grasp, and,” look, over there a Memory moog!”
I need to get one. Intentional failure is the story of my life.
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Damn, cool. Been enjoying your channel recently, thanks for doing this.
🙏High praise, cheers. More than happy to, it's an excellent piece of kit.
I'll just watch Jorbs video on it...he's a good dude, I don't need another lofi thing but hey let's see....huh neat...I don't need another lofi effect...I don't need another lofi effect...okay yeah man that's nice...ah damn cool...okay so it's not too terribly expensive...shipping ain't bad...let's just add to cart...wait...damn it.
😅🙏🙏 Flattered to have incited a GAS attack.
I'm sure you would find great ways to use it!
I got one one of these and have also purchased most other lofi pedals and plugins out there. The GenLoss2 is clearly Chase Bliss working hard to make the best of them all with all the variety and algorithms they put in this thing. I would say, the real magic of this is when you use it in a subtle way. Out of the box, its easy to get into its more extreme settings, but in my opinion, it truly shines and becomes more useful when everything is applied subtly.
Love the oscilloscope my dude. Gives the video that extra oomph
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@@JorbLovesGear what oscilloscope is that?
@@albertwesker2050 b & k precision 1530
Jorb getting me through my lunch break! I’m used to the even up and down modulation of my 404 tape effect. True tape saturation calls for a tape machine that’s just serviced enough to record and playback fine, but the rubber bands are a bit dry or stretched out 😂 this pedal does a way better job then the 404. That failure knob is so sweeeet.
Hey, you got your reface CS keyboard fixed! Congrats! And lovely demo of a lovely pedal, as always
You probably know this, but you can bypass the volume drops with the drop bypass dip switch. Let's hope they give us more control of that in the future 🙂
Yup! I mention it but dont demo it
Just got my Mkll, and by far your video is the most useful and informative so far. I learned alot from it and the hidden features and abilities of the mkll vs classic mode. I had no idea yet how awesome this pedal is.
Really appreciate that, cheers. I feel like a few of the hidden features might *really* make or break it for some people, important to know about them.
Great stuff, and the flip admission earned you a sub from me. Can't wait to see more, amigo.
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Great video! Thank you for breaking it down in depth. I have mine coming in the second batch. Papa bless!
🙏🙏Enjoy it, really is good
Oh nice! I’m watching one on Reverb currently, was hoping to hear how people are digging this one. It seems like Mr. Majeski put a lot of work and thought into this MKII
amazing pedal! I can't wait to receive it in just a couple of weeks!
Hope you enjoy it, its mad good
Just wanted to say I really dig the more conversational review format.
🙏🙏 Feels the best for me to do coverage like that, cheers
it really shows that u feel comfortable reviewing like this, it feels super natural. sick vid!
Thank you so much for that FANTASTIC review!
Great musical and experimental sounding examples and lots of useful additional information!
GREAT WORK!
👍😃💯 ... and the Juno rocks, although its not the 60 hehe 😜
OK, you sold me, I definitely want this. Excellent demo.
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Jealous you got yours already! Great review man, made me so excited for mine to arrive :)
Lucky timing on the preorder email, and maybe being in the midwest helped 😅😅
There is a guy on Facebook that has uploaded and downloaded the same graphic every Tuesday for years and years. The image is now unrecognizable.
So, a true DISTORTION pedal. I really like it!
Oh lord. I need to stop buying equipment, but man….. man oh man I want this.
Really cool presentation of this pedal. Thank you ❤️ Finally they are doing stereo in/out but with some inconvenience os necessary splitter (but if your next device in chain have also a stereo trs jack - it's convenient 😊). I want this pedal it could make my music production more lofi 🤣
Great demo man!
Thank you!
Have one on order. Can't wait.
Mine is apparently in the mail, so this along with the new Asheville Music Tools Time Warper coming there is going to be a lot of interesting modulation going on up in here.
i’m VERY excited to receive mine 🎉
Great demo, Jorb. Mine's coming soon, but I don't have any decent hardware to pump into it. I'm gonna need to figure out how to feed it from Ableton and back again.
Mine has been sitting at the UPS office since Fri - should be here today. Missed the first one, but mk2 looks so much better. Other than GL, the first CB pedal I’ve bought since Spectre.
This was excellent.
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Chase Bliss has a lock on how to make great manuals
Hey @Jorb FYI I had one of those non-slip rubber mats melt the plastic on the back of my MC-202.. I assume from some chemical off-gassing. So yeah just FYI I wouldn't leave those mats lying on plastic cases of my vintage synths for too long.
sounds great!
it really do
@@JorbLovesGear I wish it was a touch cheaper. it's not unfair but it's still a pricey pedal when you consider what you could potentially get for the same amount of loot ya know? like you could get the best strymon or eventide has to offer ya know? again it's a sick pedal and it sounds great but god dang I dunno about $400 great lmfao your thoughts?
I'd love to get a Generation Loss, but to be honest you can piece the sound together with other (much less expensive pedals) - and of course within software, but there's something nice about have a little self contained box that does it all . . . . I've got a Fairfield Shallow Water and a Demedash T120, which are both great, and a couple of homemade devices that get really close to the original Generation Loss . . . but at the end of the day - for those who miss out on getting a Generation Loss, the sound can be made fairly easily with other gear.
Also worth looking into the Walrus M1 if you're interested in this kind of pedal, it can do all the lofi stuff plus phasing, tremolo, rotary, and auto-wah. And some more odd stuff. Not quite the same thing but it gets you in the ballpark.
I saw this was on pre-order a few months back. They were sold out but I emailed them and slipped in with one of the last orders due to cancelations. So lucky
Thanks for doing this. Would be cool to see what it does to drums!
I did record some examples, but didnt think I did a good job honestly.
Eventually!
it actually sounds kind of bad on drums and anything percussive. theres is a tiny slap-back delay that cannot be tuned out with any settings. it really sounds like theres an audible delay between the wet and dry signal, even if you have it set to 100% wet.
I really want this pedal but i cant justify the cost rn. I feel good about it not beight a limited release tho. Thanks for the review hoss ❤
Happy to do it. 400 big ones is a big bite, but I think its the most complete lo-fi pedal out there.
@@JorbLovesGear it really is. I have a silly amount of tascams that i like running samples through before loading them into my digitakt, but one of these would really streamline the process as well as adding all kinds of controls. Gas sucks sometimes lol
Damn....waiting for mine to arrive. Looking forward to running it into Thermae and then into Microcosm...... full on Dopamine Dump. ;)
Jorb does great demos. Only he could sell me on this pedal!
I bought the this pedal strictly because of this video. It’s sick.
THANK YOU proud of it
Just ordered mine
12:25 Oh my...that's very satisfying to me.
15:01
Add something like the zvex instant LoFi in parallel with the Gen Loss as that way the near silent drops will be far less pronounced. The LoFi will keep it going during these drops. Besides that, the sound of Parallel LoFi effects is so much better than series or just one.
This is how I plan to use these two pedals. I have both, I just need to finish making the (dedicated) parallel looper box.
The LoFi is an excellent pedal in its own right, same with the LoFi looper…I have that too. 😂
as someone who is gradually shifting from "all analog" to "all digital", there are still some pedals and modules in my line that bother me for sounding too clean, too crisp, and too refined... i do appreciate the irony of purposefully adding the noise back in, but the footprint is way smaller than analog gear, and the parameters are way more controllable!
this guy is definitely high on my "to buy" list.
That’s my goal! I’ve been building a HiFi system, and will use this at the tail end to bring back some degradation to the mix, I’ll have a sampler on my record out to capture that.
i demand hum AND hiss
Updated: you can switch the drops off with a dip switch!
Just few hours in and I’m in love with what this pedal does to my sound. I agree though that the drop outs introduced by the brilliant failure knob can get a bit irritating. Would be great to be able to control it
Any chance of you showing this on the Take 5? Would love to see how this sounds with that one.
awesome
also would be cool if the drop outs where more frequency centric. my old devo tape and others drop out but not really in full amplitude; its more that all the high frequencies cut out. or am i missing some detail that the pedal can do a more low or high cut flutter /drop out effect?
Thank you for creating this video. After watching it I’ve concluded the user experience for this pedal is not so great. Hopefully there’s some opportunity to update it in the future (has that ever happened?)
I think the user experience is really great, what seemed to be less than ideal? The hidden controls are all well chose, theyre the sort of things I dont need direct control of.
Two you pointed out so far - the LEDs not changing to reflect the model (or really any kind of feedback something changed) and the inability to modify the volume drops so that it doesn’t cut out completely.
As a whole it seems like all these features have been retrofitted into a typical chase bliss pedal, when perhaps a more specific design, tailored to these features, could have worked better. I own the warped vinyl and that pedal seems fairly intuitive, so the UX can work, but I am skeptical here
@@kylenowcrylater I think the model thing is minor, easily worked around by listening.
Plus if I *really* need a specific model, I can save them in a preset.
Spread slightly mitigates the full scale drops, or they can by bypassed all together if that was the only deal breaker.
"or your budget, Or Your Budget, OR YOUR BUDGET"
i tend to see the Generation Loss pedal as a tool (or perhaps array of tools, in its singular package ?) as worth the cost, especially if you are actually going to keep it and use it long term, and not just flipping pedals, thus price-gouging peoples eyes out and skull-fucking their wallets.
FYI Chase Bliss make their own Midi box converter
Have you tried vocals through it? I’d love to hear a demo of that.
Hey Jorb, are you going straight out of the Empress into a mixer/interface, or do you have a DI box in between? I’ve just been having some trouble with recording pedals lately so I’m wondering.
Straight into a mixer! Some pedals have issues with line level, and some need to have a settings changes for it.
Could you make shirts that are just the Jorb logo? I love this show by the way!
Hello. Thank you for this. I own gen loss mki with noise mod chip by cooper not cba. Also have gen loss card in arcades and bygones by 3degrees audio. Sold melusine v3 by hexe.....shall i get the mkii by cba? I own 5 cba pedals already and really vibe with them.
Hey Jorb, great video as always! I have two questions for you:
1) do you ever teach how to use pedals. Your ability to know what the more complex pedals do is really impressive. My job is extremely demanding and i am wondering if you ever teach via zoom. May seem like a dumb question, but it would really help my learning curve to have someone walk me through pedals/ synths etc.
2) What do you think about the generation Loss versus Ribbons? I really dig both, but this one looks like it would be more user friendly.
Very great but if you are looking for a cheap alternative (and use a DAW) sketch cassette has almost all the same functionality and weird fidelity!
RE: Demanding a profit, when flipping gear. I knew it!! You must be having to do things like
Buy Groceries.
IMO 'scalping' or flipping things for profit is really only taboo if youre hoarding. If youve got one of the device, or dare I say even 2, its really not a big deal. Just supply and demand doing its thing.
Good content man. Keep up the good work. Like I said, Synth + Pedal content is supremely under represented in youtube IMO.
Also, holy dip switches batman. So cool lol.
Who is the crackhead that set the type at 19:29 ? Wait! Was the type run through the Generation Loss? Oh! I get it. You are a clever Jorb, aren't you? You deserve an Emmy for that one.
I wonder what this sounds like side by side with actually doing this stuff to tape.
Finally got to finish the review. Is the hum 60 hz or 50 hz? Or some other frequency?
This is a good question, I'm not sure.
But the noise, hum & hiss are all different flavors.
Thanks for this I always wondered what the original Generation Loss did. As predominantly I am guitarist, I already have Chase Bliss pedals and the midi box on my pedalboard so MIDI control isn't really an issue. Unfortunately I don't actually see many musical applications for it except for SFX or the supposed "modern" lofi trend. To be honest if I want something like this I'd just use the Empress Effects ZOIA or VSTs. The new controls seem more useable though especially for synths.
I'm curious as to how it compares to a pair of shallow waters. Obviously this has a much richer feature set. But in terms of sound and character.
Shallow Water is cool, input dynamics controlling the filter is a really effective design choice. and at no dry signal its just a single delay from a bucket brigade, randomly modulated for something similar to wow / snags. A pretty different approach to lo fi, and a really cool one
Stop feeling bad about selling a pedal for more than its list price. In fact, you should feel good about it since the person who bought it probably got way more out of it than whoever would have bought it at the list price and you got some extra dough to help you in your ventures. There are many problems with markets - this is not one of them. Markets compress innumerable factors into a single mechanism: the price. This allows us to make better buying decisions and allows companies to make better production decisions. The fact that you sold it for more is almost certainly one of the reasons that there is a MKII. So thank you for not hoarding gear and actually making use of something in short supply by selling it.
this thing is a weird market of its own but a symbol of supply/demand / demand subject to coolness/improvement…now everyone is loosing money on it if sold now; scalp price plummeted over a few months but the cost to compare both versions to know what one likes the best is pretty elitist level but just funny to think how newness can be an easy marketing trick more than actual improvement in some cases.
Order#2135...can't wait for mine =)
so indirectly this means digital daw recording is too perfect thus unintereresting ish which is i guess interesting but then nostalgia via redundancy becomes a loss as well if it is too good a simulation, too perfect, like the daw, maybe, not sure.
The Organelle can do deterioration stuff!
What is that thing you have that looks like a sci fi TV? Seems so cool
Just did a video on the oscilloscope actually!
Can't wait to get mine although I've been fooled by chase bliss before with the habit, not what I was expecting but maybe I haven't figured it out yet
A+ on this video; much appreciated! Jorb, what do you say, this vs. the latest Strymon Deco? I’m guessing the Deco could be said to be more subtle, less lo-fi focused (but it has that “cassette” mode).
It seems to me like most videos that get called “reviews” are demos and/or tutorials. I think you’ve got a nice balance of all 3.
If I recall correctly, the MIDI standard stipulates that a MIDI In jack needs to be optocoupled, to avoid ground noise. Because most guitar pedals with TRS MIDI input are not optocoupled (or even TRS MIDI A or B; e.g., Meris and Empress receive on tip and send on ring), a MIDI box is advised, such as those made by Empress Effects or Disaster Area Designs (the box’s TRS outputs are optocoupled).
I’ve been able to alternatively connect MIDI to a Chase Bliss pedal in a complicated, but box-free manner, like this: MIDI DIN to 1/8” MIDI TRS A cable, 1/8” connected to a 1/4” TRS adapter, which is connected to the TS ring input of a HOSA y split left/right 1/4” TS to 1/4”TRS insert-style adapter, with the 1/4” TRS connected to the Chase Bliss MIDI In jack. The tip input of that y split adapter can allow for remote operation of the left switch at the same time that MIDI is used on ring. God, I hope that made sense.
tl;dr: guitar pedal TRS MIDI is mostly non-standard, not even TRS A or B. Chase Bliss receives MIDI on ring (and left footswitch remote on tip). A Disaster Area MIDIBox 4 is a good option.
Someone needs to design one that recreates the old classic film-reel projector degradation audio flutter. Growing-up in the 60’s/70’s (before video-tape was common), most schools in the US, had old 1950’s film-reels, and projectors, that were SO old, the sound would flutter, and warble in pitch, to the point where you couldn’t even understand the narration.
The stereo adapter deal is a dealbreaker. How annoying that must be! Those things NEVER work properly in my experience. And for some MIRACLE they do, they will predictably STOP working the minute you have an important session, then the backup you have (in case of this exact emergency) will definitely be defective. LMAO! 🤣
For other pedals that do trs, its really convenient to route a single cable, but i hear ya, extra complexity.
I use the chunky hosa ones, no issues yet
very cool, thought this had something to do w failure tho lol
If you had the choice between this or a hologram microcosm, which would you go with?
I think they're so different, really think about which you would use more, that'll matter for you.
By the numbers I guess there's more diverse functionality in the microcosm, but if you'd rather have tape warble than fancy delay, it doesn't matter.
@@JorbLovesGear Think I'm gonna go with the gen loss since I reckon my stuff is lacking texture more than it's lacking inspiration. Thanks for the insight. Best video of this pedal
Whats the screen thing in the back showing the waveform???
Oscilloscope! Just did a video about it
I ordered this a while ago and hope to receive it before next March. 😒
I was lucky enough to be in the first batch, was out and about when I got the email
@jupiterfrom96 it is!
Mixing in the dry in order to not completely drop out… you took issue with the wow flutter - why not just turn them all the way down?
I still want the pitch modulation of wow, but its a chorusing when the dry is present, which i find distracting.
I mentioned it later, the stereo spread option is probably the best call for mitigating the total drop outs.
Oh, gotcha. That makes sense. Yeah, it would be nice if they offered some tweakability to allow for partial drop outs. I noticed the same when using mine, spread helped them not seem so abrupt. Nice video, thanks for the reply.
What do you put in your hair?? It's beautiful
the only product other than conditioner is frizz-ease! You can 100% tell when I havent used it lmao
I've only had mine a couple days, but noticed your LEDs are yellow. Mine are red. I wish I had yellow!
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Is it possible to control the speed of the wow ?
@tonyhill2318 I've pulled tape decks and vcrs out of dumpsters that stunk of indescribable filth, and if they worked at all, they never, ever sounded as bad, or had such extreme sonic degradation as the most subtle effects of this pedal (let alone with more extreme settings dialed in).
I think that is the real generation loss we're talking about here, the loss of the reality of the former generation in favor of the delusions of those in the contemporary generation about the past generation. Even by people who were alive, sentient and active during that long lost generation.
The generation loss at play is not a simulation of sonic degradation, but the actual degradation of reality, memory, history, lineage, heritage, culture, etc. But not really, more like, with a little and a whole bunch of and a smidge of .
Pedal sounds good, if I found one in a dumpster I'd use it, if it worked, even if it smelled like hot dumpster filth. I'd rather spend imaginary money (in this future, toilet paper is worth more than the dollar) I don't have on synths, samplers, a basket of fx, rather than spend four hundo (what do they cost a year after this video was made, six hundo, eight?) on a pedal that makes things sound sh!tty. Especially when I have all of the gear and tape this pedal is simulating patched in and ready to analogize, generate loss, and overall sprinkle with sonic fairy dust. And Especially x2 when I enjoy using and when appropriate, abusing, this analog gear by sequences of gain staging, roughing up, stretching, crinkling tape, etc. And Especially when I (and everyone else on the planet, it seems) has a vst that does all of this, and I can instantiate it 20 times in a project and dial in the same effects as the pedal (though FAR less satisfyingly than with the actual analog gear) in just a few seconds if time and productivity are motivating factors in what I'm doing.
It sure sounds like I'm sh!teing on Chase Bliss, I'm really not, I have a deep desire and respect for every pedal of theirs, that I'm aware of. This is just my morning's meth fueled thought omelet.
So my apologies, with the caveat that I'll never be able to afford or use even one of these extremely quality fx pedals, so there is some lament about economic realities, and the classes they create, and really, more so my intractable, terminal personal situation.
what was that tv you were using showing the wavelengths?
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Instant Caretaker Pedal.
sending mine back
bummer!
@@JorbLovesGear severe bummer 😟
Curious...I ordered on day 1 or 2 and I'm still waiting for a shipment notification...did you really order before me?!
I ordered at 12.30 am, just after the announcement.
@@JorbLovesGear Thanks for the reply, I’m further back than I realized. This waiting is bringing on anxiety! Great demo!
Generation loss, magic gain.
What's that sine wave green screen next to your piano? 😊
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~ I love this but there are a dozen things I would buy before I spent £400 on it.
Wait these are shipping? When I bought it, it said January
Different batches I think, I was in the first
I hate you for getting yours early. Just kidding. Glad to watch this before mine arrives.
Why did you "have to go into a TRS" instead ov utilizing stereo inputs?
That is how you get a stereo input here. The 2nd jack on each side is for midi/aux or expression/cv
@@JorbLovesGear thank you, waiting for mine to ship, good to know
Bhuel! ( Or howya in Irish)
Ok so, buy an analog synthetic for its warmth, or FM just because, orodern digital sound.. then buy a pedal to recreate the sound that was avoided like the plague when recording on tape?
Yes
Yes
Yes
Just checking. One "effect" we used to do was stretch the tape a little to get a slur. Does the pedal do something similar? Looks like someone removed their comment that I'm not from generation lost so I don't understand. I'm 50 and wanted to confirm rather than assume.
"Whatever you now find weird, ugly, uncomfortable and nasty about a new medium will surely become its signature. CD distortion, the jitteriness of digital video, the crap sound of 8-bit - all of these will be cherished and emulated as soon as they can be avoided. It’s the sound of failure: so much modern art is the sound of things going out of control, of a medium pushing to its limits and breaking apart. The distorted guitar sound is the sound of something too loud for the medium supposed to carry it. The blues singer with the cracked voice is the sound of an emotional cry too powerful for the throat that releases it. The excitement of grainy film, of bleached-out black and white, is the excitement of witnessing events too momentous for the medium assigned to record them."
Brian Eno, A Year With Swollen Appendices
The title is me when I fail to 1v3 in final circle
the beauty of the dub
You should review the Chase Bliss Habit \uwu/
I am curious about a lot of chase bliss line!
@@JorbLovesGear Yeah they're really something else, I highly recommend them
I got my habit in recently and been having a ton of fun pairing it with my kalimba, microcosm and empress reverb. The sounds that come out of it are absolutely unreal :3
How about Subtle ?
Did I miss it, or didnt you demo stereo?
Im running in stereo the role time, & I turn on spread some point after failure
What oscilloscope is this?
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This definitely is not about the band Failure, like I had assumed.
LOL sorry to disappoint
@@JorbLovesGear It's OK, I stumbled onto your channel!