Josh Pate On Penn State's Whiteout Dilemma (Late Kick Cut)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ส.ค. 2024
- Penn State's whiteout is one of the great spectacles in all of College Football, and on Late Kick Live Ep 267 Josh Pate discussed the latest dilemma surrounding which game in 2022 should get the special treatment. With Ohio State paying a visit to Happy Valley this fall it seemed obvious the Buckeyes would again play in a sea of white at Beaver Stadium, but FOX selecting the game as the Big Noon Kickoff for that week threw a wrench into everyone's plans. With that in mind, Penn State recently announced the Minnesota game will be designated as the whiteout for this year. This has led to a fair amount of debate amongst Penn State fans about whether kickoff time should be the determining factor as to which game gets the treatment over how big the game itself is. What do you think? Let us know what you think in the comments below and be sure to SUBSCRIBE to the channel and CLICK THE BELL for notifications as we bring you multiple live shows per week!
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Change it to all blue and make it a new tradition of "Once in a Blue Noon". That would give them two 13th man games a year, and it maintains the Whiteout as the night game tradition.
This sounds genius
Absolutely PERFECT!
You win
Sir you need to be an athletic director
Excellent idea!
Can we as fans, and universities (Texas and OU specifically) boycott big noon kickoff, or at least set parameters to what games can/can't be at noon for the sake of the sport? Penn State white out games should be off the table.
Welcome! Ohio State fans have been on this bandwagon since Big Noon's inception.. I can assure you that the executives at Fox don't care what the fans think.. their Big Noon games get great ratings and that's the bottom line..
@@BB13131313 we need to stop watching the big noon game or it won’t change
@@handshoesandhorsegrenades1848 nobody is going to stop watching lol.. it's just something we're going to have to live with for now.. we'll see where Fox stands with the new B1G TV contract.. I personally love noon games, but not when they're marquee matchups that be primetime or at least 3:30.. Ohio State vs Oregon should've never been a noon game.. I'm so glad Fox didn't get Ohio State vs Notre Dame this year..
how about we let the AD's get to pick one game a year where they get to select the start time and let the networks then decide who wants to air the contest? Result, less marquee matchups at 11am CST.
I'm not sure OSU scoring less than their average score has anything to do with the whiteout. I think it has more to do with the fact that Penn State is one of their toughest opponents.
Absolutely ! An average is almost always going to be harder against an opponent that is better than average - DUH ??? --- White Out or not ?
They score less points because ohio state on the road, it's penn state superbowl, AND Penn state not exactly winning those whiteout especially against ohio state, are they 11 and 11 in those games. It's a freaking home game Penn state should win them all
@@kdh5243 seem like ohio is good but not great or elite anymore past 2 years they are only 19 and 2, while other teams are ? But can't beat them. That's tell me those teams are average to mediocre
@@clarencewalder2985 lol
Bro if the Offense huddles they often times have to read lips. I agree with what you mean but noise that’s 100 plus DB is insane
As an Ohio State fan, I would love for them to keep the white out versus Minnesota.
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Ohio State is 3-1 vs PSU white-out games
3-2 Josh forgot about 2005 the first white out. At the end of the day here is my thought, never interrupt your enemy when they are making a mistake. Penn State putting the White Out against Minnesota for whatever reason makes Ryan Day and the players lives easier. Go ahead Penn State take your best weapon away from your team in it's biggest game and put it against a good but not great Minnesota.
@@danconway9633 the problem is that the whiteout couldn't be against Ohio state. It's always a night game and OSU plays at happy valley during noon kickoff
@@mickey34jb the COVID one wasn't a true whiteout tho. Cardboard cutouts in the stands weren't changing the game like fans would have
As a Penn State student, my opinion is this: The white out tradition is not just about the game. Part of the fun is tailgating all day for the game. Last year, the Michigan game was at noon, and the stadium was so loud the we caused them to false start on the first play of the game yet again. The Ohio State game will be loud regardless because of how big of a game it is, so we don’t need to worry about making it a whiteout. Make it an all blue game or the stripe game and we will be loud as usual.
Penn State was so loud at the Michigan game that they lost
@@carlmustard4841 that season got plagued by injuries, psu second strings basically kept Michigan to only a 4 point lead
@@BrianMichigan As a man I know the game was close and it was nerve wracking the entire time, but as a fan you guys suck eat balls lol
Penn state season ticketholder, I'm fine with it. This was cutting off a limb to save the body. If Fox gets a noon white out this year, they'll get it next year against Michigan and white out under the lights cease to exist. This is the best chance to get the big ten to move up the marquee matchup at beaver stadium toward end of September so fox/ESPN/whoever doesn't have a world series to compete with at night.
Also, Penn states not equipped with its current ticketing and parking system to pack the stadium by noon start time for OSU...Minnesota will play better on national media for us
Was looking for this comment. The idea that a huge rivalry game is the first game of the day is ridiculous in itself. If a noon whiteout becomes lucrative for Fox, they'll keep f**king doing it.
PSU is the best parking system you will ever find in ANY sporting venue...and I've been to a lot of them over the past 50 years all over the country. (Some are HOORIBLE, once and done experiences)
As for noon white out....see Paul Cicero's comment above...he is now the new fan appointed Marketing Director of Penn State football
It will be a "Once in a Blue Noon" game!! Just like in the old days when everybody wore BLUE!!
FoxSports sucks...and ESPN will always take that game for a night primetime venue. When FoxSports buys a big PSU game they will either move it to a night time slot or not get the $$$ they hoped for.
PS: I remember the first time Joe pushed kickoff to 3 PM (kickoff was normally noon-ish, 11 to 1) to satisfy the networks so we could be on TV...he said he'd never do that again. Back then the lots opened before 6 (or even earlier) to set up big tailgates (frats always had lots of kegs and huge grills) and the drinking started at 6...by 3.....it was drunken insanity! LOL
Option 3: both teams agree to just meet up at 8pm that day and play football. Let fox lose their mind a little.
(A Michigan fan who drove 9 hours and attended the 2019 Whiteout Game and went through culture shock doing it.)
Just our happy valley hospitality 😜
Everybody scores less than their average regardless of the whiteout. Penn State always has one of the best defenses in the country.
Big noon kickoff is the worst thing to happen to college football
A whiteout at noon, and a whiteout at night are two *COMPLETELY DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENTS*
I would have done it against MSU rather than Minnesota.
I am a Buckeye fan and beating them in a "White Out" is great for OSU. But Penn St will have lot's of recruits there that they need to sign and a loss will look bad.
Remember in 2007, the Whiteout game was against Notre Dame, yet everyone wore white to the Ohio State game that season. Same thing could happen here.
I love this take and as a current Penn State student I’ll be a junior in August I wish I could’ve been in your studio having this conversation with you because as a Broadcast/sports journalism major here in Happy Valley personally I think the white out game has to be at night just because of traditions that go on also earlier in the day a noon kick off will just throw that completely off and I am OK with doing it against Minnesota because it’ll kind of be a revenge game for 2019 and when they did that stupid “Maroon bowl” against us and there is still gonna be an insane atmosphere for the Ohio State game because were choosing to do our “stripe out” as that game so trust me nothing is lost the energy will still be causing earthquakes 👌😜!
22 years old, been to every single white out game since they started. They are better, more fun, more effective, etc at night.
Same thing happened last year when Fox took the Michigan and put it at noon. Usually the whiteout games are reserved when Michigan or Ohio State comes to Beaver Stadium.
Though OSU not being the White Out game disappoints me as a Penn State alum, I think there's a nice storyline here that could play out and make the Minnesota matchup intriguing. If the teams can navigate their toughest tests before the Whiteout (@Purdue for PSU, @MSU for Minnesota), they can both come in 5-1 or better. This would set up a likely top 25 matchup and a perfect revenge game for PSU - ala their close 2019 loss in Minneapolis that cost PSU a potential playoff spot.
Show respect to Minnesota and do the white out. It's an experience for both teams for both fans.
No. Ohio State should of had it. Big brand. Minnesota is not.
@@brettfinlay7447 Minnesota is part of the big 10 , so it is what it is. Let them play.
@@mattyice4825 It’s let’s exciting. Nobody wants to loose to barber PJ Fleck.
It is a stripe out that game. So wear according to your ticket. But I will say the stripe out is our daytime version of the white out. Because we used the stripe out before during a night game and it's harder to see the blue sections near the top. But white always stands out even in the highest rows. I think giving them a stripe out on a noon kick off is the better choice because let me tell you that the energy that usually gets put into the white out by the fans will just be put into the stripe out this year
This makes sense. Last year they introduced the Helmet Stripe design, and they used it against Michigan and that was a Noon game. It'll look like a Whiteout on TV when they play Ohio State. Plus Minnesota is usually a Top 25 team that according to some analysts that I've chatted with nationally are the favorite to win the BIG10 West. Plus the last time the 2 teams played. The Gophers ended PSU's College Football Playoff hopes. Remember, who thought the Indiana game last year would be a night game when Penn State had a massive advantage. This may not be against Ohio State, but this possibly could be a BIG10 Championship Preview.
As a Penn State fan I don’t like a White Out game 7 days before a huge Noon game. They can be draining, however I also think every game should have White Out atmosphere.
Who cares, they lose just as many white out games as they win!
Which is good sense its normally their biggest game.
@@unc0mm0n2 Good sense to some. I wonder how Bama does against their tougher foes?
As someone who has 0 stake in PSU football. I think its silly to force yourself out of one of the greatest CFB traditions just to get slapped by Ohio State. I would rather keep tradition, cream Minnesota, and enjoy the night rather than get everyone all hyped for a noon kickoff to lose by 20.
Brett Burton is back!!! How's that SBS case you got going? I see it seems to be getting worse. Be careful about eating too much horseshit...that Shit for Brains Syndrome you've got could become terminal with no hope of a cure.
Cream Minnesota... please go look it up. Penn States record against the Gophers is not all that impressive.
In the entirety of the series Penn State is only 9-6 and the Victory Bell currently resides in Minneapolis.
Hey now we don’t get clapped by 20 . . . We lose by 11 respectively. 🤣🙏🏼🤣🙏🏼🤣🙏🏼🤣🙏🏼
great point!
During the Michigan white out in the 2019 season the opening drive where Michigan had a 3 and out was because of the stands you couldn’t hear yourself scream it was so loud nothing like it
I’m a Clemson fan that lives in Pa. I’ve been to a whiteout during a day game against Michigan. It is the coolest and most electric atmosphere in college football (day or night). As a Tiger fan it still gave be chills entering the Beaver Stadium. I’d Whiteout against Ohio State. Stripe out is pretty cool too, why not strip out vs Minnesota or is that reserved for a different opponent?
After they announced Minnesota as the whiteout they put the stripe out on Ohio state. As a psu fan im a proponent for the whiteout should be against Ohio state regardless of time buts it’s turned into such a large recruiting even they kinda have to keep it a night game now for that reason
What year was that?
Does ABC have any power to move this to their primetime night spot if say both are undefeated or even top 10 going into this game?
Josh is 100% correct. As a Georgia Bulldog, we would have likely lost to Notre Dame in 2019 without our fans, t was also our fans that assisted us with dominating Arkansas in 2021. Fans also were a huge help in 2021 UK game. I’m 100% a fan of the whiteout and agree, it’s gotta be for Ohio state.
If it's against OSU every other year - it becomes less effective as 'a weapon' because of familiarity ? -- This is what happens when the TV $ rules ! -- Perhaps 1 game every year for the school to pick the time might be an answer ? - Make the networks adjust once a season ?
I think this year will be a wash anyway. James Franklin is gonna be on cruise control with that new contract of his. We'll be lucky to win 9
Since Josh brought up the Buckeyes, it took Herculean individual performances from future NFL stars Sam Hubbard, Joey Bosa, and not NFL caliber but legendary QB JT Barrett.
A white out for a noon game wouldn’t have the same impact it does at night.
This says a lot about penn state. Our biggest game of the year isn’t even a good enough game to put Ohio state on prime time. It’s a joke that Minnesota is going to be played as the whiteout. Even if we get one win an Ohio state night whiteout it the biggest possible
I’ve been to almost every white out since they started, and I think at this point Penn State needs to leave it how it is. They need to focus on being able to beat teams with their play on the field, and then add in the 12th man on top. Like Josh mentions, the white out is a weapon, however the rivalries alone are enough to rile up the ol faithful alumni.
Should've made the Mich. St game the whiteout game.
Good question from fellow Nashuan I’m sure Ohio state had a say in this
Has to be a night game no matter what
Imho, white out games HAVE to be at night. You need the lights to really get the full effect visually. Daylight games won't pop that way.🤷♂️
There needs to be an override that you (universities) can take and tell Fox to screw the Noon Kickoff
Has to be a night game. no matter what
I broke the #1 cardial rule now I'm sitting here crying josh😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
My first whiteout as a Penn State student was the 2015 game against #14 Michigan. It was a lot of fun, but it was a noon game so the atmosphere didn't fully live up to the hype. Then I went to the 2016 game where we upset #2 Ohio State and it was the most electric sporting event I've ever been to. I think Whiteout has to be at night, so I'm fine with them making Minnesota the Whiteout, but man I wish OSU was a night game. Regardless, I think we'll get up for the Buckeyes either way, it's just less daunting during the daytime
Every game can be a white out no matter time of kickoff. Just tell everyone to wear white but...............a TRUE WHITEOUT has to be a night game. If they (FOX/NCAA) decided to make the OSU game a noon kickoff. I can rest assure you the B1G and OSU peeps have a huge hand in this decision. I'd be willing to say MONEY exchanged hands illegally. Especially when it comes to OSU. I think it's awesome that another B1G team gets to experience the greatest show in college football or even NFL. If you've never been to a WHITEOUT you don't know what you're missing. The atmosphere is crazy and the adrenaline it provides the fans and especially the players (even the opponents) hours before the game even kickoffs can't be measured. My best friend who hails from Corvallis, OR and is an Oregon State fan was so excited when I asked him if he'd like to come to the WHITEOUT GAME against Michigan a couple years ago. He couldn't say YES fast enough. When we arrived in State College that day you could already feel the goosebumps coming because you knew what to expect that night. As we pulled into the parking lot he was in shock. He couldn't believe how one night game could have such an effect on over 100,000 fans. Once we began our descent on Beaver Stadium as kickoff was approaching, I myself being a PENN STATE fan knew it was going to be another special night. He couldn't take it all in fast enough but once we got to our seats he couldn't believe the scene he was viewing. The game wasn't going to kickoff for another hour but the fans were already rocking the house. He commented, it's so loud right now I can't hear much of anything except the fans going nuts. When everyone was inside that was coming to the game filled up the stadium. My friend looked at me and said, thanks for inviting me to what is no doubt the best show in college football and it was justing getting started. So, that night you would of thought he was always a Penn State fan because he was roaring and chanting with all of us. My answer is YES, our WHITEOUT HAS TO BE A NIGHT GAME. It's tradition and you don't mess with tradition. Just like our uniforms and helmet. WE ARE PENN STATE for many reasons and these are two of them.
Fox is the one double dipping I don’t blame OSU or the Big 10…. Fox knows the PSU vs OSU is going to do huge in the ratings. Throw that on at Noon and then you have probably game 1 of the World Series that night which will draw big ratings. I mean it makes sense for Fox.
I don't think the fans make a hint of a difference in deciding. It's all about the TV money.
People keep acting like MN is a chump SMH. Watch Goldie goes in there and beats them AGAIN.
right? Penn state fans need to realize where their team is at in the big10 rn
As a Penn state fan wouldn’t be surprised either. Minnesota returning a lot players could be undefeated going into it.
Right. Minnesota was one game from winning the Western Division last year. There is a good chance the Gophers are a 9 win team this year.
If the Ohio State game was a 3:30 kick there wouldn’t be any hesitation. However, even if all 110k showed up on time, the noon whiteout would look wrong. You need under the lights (at least somewhat).
Has there been a noon white out? I recall some afternoon kicks whiteouts(I think ND was at like 5:30).
I believe the Michigan white out in 2013 was a 3:30 or 5 o’clock game. The only section that was white was the student section and it didn’t give the same impact as a normal white out. Even after 4OTs, it was just starting to get dark. Crazy game to be at though(& the last time I ever pregamed because I’m still surprised I made it through all 4OTs).
Alabama 2011
1:56 looks like the wolverines have been the biggest victims of white out games
We should write a strongly worded letter to change it
At noon, or at night, it will the highest rated game on TV that weekend.
I'm a Buckeye fan and love the whiteout
I swear I thought the dilemma you were going to say was whether or not it was socially and politically acceptable anymore. I'm guessing it's coming.
touche! it's offensive to non white out fans
Why not at least make it Michigan state at night if they can’t get osu? Not that I’m complaining as a Spartan.
Penn State, historically and normally, has a better than average defense, usually very good. I would expect any team playing Penn State at any time to score less than their average. Toss out your lazy stat Josh and tell us if Penn State holds opponents farther below their scoring average in white out games than they do in other games. I bet they do just because of the atmosphere, but is it significantly better?
How about a Navy Blue out night ?!?
They tried that in 2004, and it didn't last.
You can maybe do a 4pm whiteout, but in no way can you put the whiteout at noon. Fox should just get over themselves and do the right thing.
I like that our non rival takes the game serious. James Franklin has hung an L on our Buckeyes and every game is a street fight. Harbaugh only now has a win. With a lot of noncompetitive games. And their smugness returned with one win.
I hope they choose the Minnesota game.
2 non consecutive big night games at most should be the max
That was like 50K worth of fireworks
stat and info: non white out HOME games, same stat please.
that "weapon" sure back fired on them last year. it doesn't matter what time of day it is. that shit pumps everybody up
Backfired? They beat Auburn
@@andrewmueller9986 I thought their white out last year was the michigan game?
@@DeaDeYes60 It was not. No biggie though. We are all wrong from time to time. The PSU UM game was a great game though. I can't remember if it was a noon kick or a 3:330/4:00.
@@andrewmueller9986 it was at night
yeah it was auburn. the whiteout against michigan most recently was 19
Even if they have it on minnisota, why can’t they do an unplanned one, where you buy your own white Pom Pom and everyone dressed in white, even if it’s not the event
The solution is simple. Build a domed stadium. It is always night in a domed stadium. Easy peesy. All you need is money and lots of it. Vaughn 🐯
Night game IMO. It doesn't matter how big a noon matchup is. It always feels like a noon matchup. 3:30 PM EST or later for a white-out kick-off time works best. I would prefer 7 PM, but as long as the game finishes at night, it will be dope.
Agreed
They should just make it a black out
GO GOPHERS!!!
The white shower caps is next level weird.
Fox just had to ruin it huh
I wonder what the pre snaps penalties are for opponents during a white out game
Usually guaranteed at least a few. Auburn had 4 last year I think and a few more missed by the sec refs
How is Ohio State NOT the white out game? No disrespect or shot at Minnesota. I'm not a fan of Penn State, but I always thought from my understanding that the white out game was for the biggest home game of the year?! I mean UGA did a "red out" game vs Arkansas last year that game was at noon and look how it turned out. I think the Ohio State game should be the white out game REGARDLESS of kick off time.
because it looks a lot cooler at night and fox has money power. fox likes nooon games
What's Penn st record in whiteout games?......
9-8, but since 2016 4-1.
I would like to see them use the MSU game over the Minnesota game. I think if not against OSU then that MSU game is bigger then the Minnesota game
except very few people actually go to the last 2 games since they are during thanksgiving break...and freezing cold
Forget opponent ppg --- the number that matters is Penn State's very unimpressive 6-5 record in White Outs
It’s not bad considering it’s always against the best team they play that year and the years they were down from sanctions. In 2014 they took future national champs Ohio state to OT. Also their record against the spread in whiteout games is like 9-2 or something crazy
How about not letting TV networks dictate your schedule. Let them televise what's available from the schedule the schools have selected. The love of money is the root of all evil.
Agreed only do it for big games
This is a BS move by fox. It feels like fox doesn't want tOSU to face the whiteout since PSU is one of their biggest games after ND and before UM. Like, we want tOSU to preform at their best, not against PSU's best kind of BS I would expect from fox, which has just been trash recently. More so with how their contract shows so often with Klatt recently.
and they why do they insist on noon games? Doesn't Big Kickoff sound good enough
So you want TOSU to play an away night game every season vs Penn State? lol
@@ksimon6485 im Generally speaking about fox noon not specific to osu psu games
@@andrewmueller9986 Gotcha 👍🏻
As long as Franklin is the coach....it wont matter much anyways.
Psu die hard fan. I’m so sick of Al tne white out and pageantry crap. Everyone is more concerned with fireworks and whiteouts and zombie nation and I’m over here like how bout we win. I’m good with winning. Stop rolling the red carpet out for Ohio state every year. Play them at noon every season. Stop giving them the feeling of being special every season. It’s stupid.
I’m over the entire spectacle. You can have the white. I’ll trade you the white out for the 118th ranked rush offense.
I’m not expecting a win because I was at the same Auburn game last year, but having the fans getting upset and disenchanted by this could be great for Minnesota. Having that game sandwiched between @Michigan and OSU bodes well for the Gophers as well. Getting beat up the previous week and looking ahead to next week. I know Penn State fans are disappointed and I hope the media, the fans, the players, and the staff continue to sleep on my Gophers. 🚣🏼♂️〽️🐿
Thanks for the favor Josh!
Most Penn State fans voted to have it be at night against Minnesota instead of noon against Ohio State.
I think the fact that Minnesota is sandwiched between @Michigan and OSU is why it was the whiteout.
I hate to admit it, but when Penn State loses, we often lose the next game(s) as well. Its like we shutdown.
So if we lose to Michigan, the whiteout resets us, we ideally win, and then play OSU back in the game.
If we win against Michigan, we focus on the whiteout and Minnesota, instead of looking ahead to OSU like we always do.
Maybe a white out game during the day won't have the same juice for Penn as at night.
Juice being the key word there 🤣
Leave it to the networks to fuck it up!!
Why is such a great match up played at 12:00 pm instead of prime time??
Are they trying to protect Ohio state?? 👎🏻
alot of people like big noon kickoff!
Buddy we’re 3-1 against psu white-out why would we be protected
If you don't believe the White Out has an effect all I have to show you is one clip, Michigan v. Penn State first snap 2019
So… what if they just had 2 white out games??
Well yes it might slow OSU down but thats it. Ohio st is 3-1 since 2012 in White Out Game. So there's that!! O-H!!!!
A "white out" daytime with very light gray skies is not as impressive or perhaps as intimidating. --- So -TV should not be allowed to impose it's will on a night white out for OSU every other year ! - That should be a PS call - not TV !!! - These networks need to adapt some ?
FOX ruining all the major cfb games
Isn't there a trophy with Minnesota also maybe the Ohio noon kick is a traffic thing.
Have 2 white out games. DUH!!!!!!!!!!
Make vs Minni a blue n white stripe out and vs Ohio St the White Out! JMO!
A white out must be for PSU toughest Oppenent. It's a weapon that's kept Oppenent under thier average score. That's a solid plus ➕️ for Penn St
White out sucks. It doesn’t actually help Penn St. great you held OSU to 16 points less than their average. And still lost. Every time. White out is a stupid gimmick against OSU. Save it for games Penn St can actually win
Why does he pronounce it like that
white out the buckeyes, day or night
NOON KICKOFFS SUCK. Josh your love of noon kickoffs is the biggest flaw you have. It’s a crime
you can have your white out game all you want....your not gonna beat "THE"
A white out game for any of the home games besides OSU is a waste. I am not a PSU fan but I would think you save that for a night game vs a major threat where you need that extra umph to help the team when it gets tight. They look to be favored in every other home game except OSU.
Minnesota will be pretty good though because they get ibraham back who is a great running back and fleck is a good coach
As a Gopher fan... I want the white out game! Bring it Penn State.
The Governor's Victory Bell is staying in Minneapolis.
Ski U Mah!
Lmfao
@@koolkid2932 you laugh but it's sitting in the Gophers display case right now.
Brilliant
It’s whatever penn state is irrelevant. Georgia should get a night game every week.
tell the b1g and fox fu and play the game at night
Nobody wants to see a noon football game college needs 330 or night kickoff
How long are we going to continue to let FOX fuck up college football?
They wanted to make the white in a game they can win pretty simple