Brian Leftow - Has God Settled the Future?
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- Does God know all future events? Only if the future is in some real sense already determined. God, to be God, must know every true proposition, including all about the future. But if the future is truly 'open', not even God could know the future because there are no true facts about the future to know. Why is this disturbing?
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Let's ask God
"God, have you settled the future?"
God:
... Thanks, God - super helpful.
That sums up God nicely.
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Chanel are entretrement , so guys are clown . Science theated in all conception .
@@maxwellsimoes238 Chanel smells good
@@EstraNiato haha
The gymnastics of the mind. If God exists, he must be having a bit of a giggle about it.🤭
My thoughts exactly. Mental gymnastics and question dodgeball should be introduced as Olympic sports.
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He/She/It is - just as assuredly as a human parent giggles over their children's stumbles as they grow up.
@@alagielaminjallow3731 Olympic Godgeball?
Well that went south right out of the gate.
I know. Nothing they said sounded anything like what Thor would do.
That did go south right from the beginning. The inference drawn from what he said that God is not omniscient.
I always love videos like these.
They just assume flat out that God means the christian god.
Christianity is just one religion out of many.
The audacity and arrogance is stunning.
It is amazing how lazy Kuhn is. He never defines terms or seriously figures in the role semantics or epistemology. He just scatters the same old buzz words around, god, free will etc. etc. and churns out another video. No closer to any truth after two decades.
MHO, our future is not determined by God. God knows everything, every path, every decision, every thought and every potential future. But, it is up to us to choose which path we take be it good or bad.
Did even before the creation, God know exactly which path I will choose?
If God knows all of our free will choices and will judge us accordingly we have no free will. Also if God has perfect knowledge of all future events that by definition must come to pass than he also has no free will.
Nor did Satan rebel of his own free will.
No where in the Bible does it say that we don't have free will--in fact the Bible is all about choices--God set all the Universe in motion--he simply made it possible for us to exist and it's up to us to manage our personal lives and collectively manage society--he awaits the results--so, what's the problem?
@@evanjameson5437 If god knows everything we are ever going to do before we do it then we cannot have free will. That the bible doesn't says we don't have free will doesn't change that. Logic says if everything we do is predetermined before we do it then we cannot choose to do differently and therefore we cannot have free will.
@@evanjameson5437 I guess you mudt have missed the at least 50 references in the Bible that mention predetermination over free will. And no I won't waste my time pointing them out...do your own homework.
@@evanjameson5437 And even if we were given free will by this Deity he already knew all of our choices before we made them...or he's not omniscient. Redundancy 101.
No where in the Bible does it say that we don't have free will--in fact the Bible is all about choices--God set all the Universe in motion--he simply made it possible for us to exist and it's up to us to manage our personal lives and collectively manage society--he awaits the results--so, what's the problem?
I can't even wrap my head around even trying to conceptualize God, let alone the existence of God. That's not to say I don't believe there is a God, I'm open minded on the possibility, but rather, I realize that I would be like an ant trying to conceptualize a human.
Are you open to the possibility that that you're God aka infinite consciousness?
Great. Only dishonest mind likes this guys are absolutely liar.
Jesus is the only way to even come close to understanding these things I think Cristina.
Worse because ants do conceptualize humans just fine, it's like your gut bacteria finding out who you are. Who's the creator there?
Hi Cristina, even though you are correct in your analogy of us humans being the metaphorical equivalent of ants when compared to God, I suggest that you look at it as being more like comparing an unconscious fetus to its mother. In other words, only through the process of a second birth (via death) will we be awake enough to see and experience what God truly is. And it is only then when we will finally be able to understand what it means to be created in God's image, for we will discover that we and God are of the same species of being.
If God can know the future, doesn't mean that God looks at the future. Free will can be given as a real gift, yet isn't known in advance by God, unless God really wants to see. It's possible that God can create free will to see how we'll choose, but intentionally waits for the reveal until when we have finally made our choices.
That would be incompatible with God's omniscience.
@@jackplumbridge2704 God can be omniscient and also decide to play a game by not seeing into others free will decisions. We humans also play games with ourselves, even though the solution is available. Just buy a puzzle online,; it always has a solution card, but we choose not to look. We could exercise our omniscience, but we choose not to, for the purpose of seeing if our formula works. Omniscience includes intentionally hiding from oneself the solution.
Freewill is an illusion..
But God has freewill..to change future..
Free Will is NOT an illusion. God has Free Will and as His/Her/It's children - WE also have Free Will. Thinking that Free Will is an illusion - IS an illusion.
PS: WE also have the power to change (create) future.
So what this guy wants to be true is true. Sounds exactly like deep religious thinking.
If god knows the future and allows it to happen, then it happens according to his wishes.
Or the wishes of His/Her/It's children.
Would love to hear God's answers to all the questions...
I’d tell you, but that would mean a significant loss of enjoyment on my end. When we, the inhabitants of my realm of being, meet for drinks we place bets on who is- colder or hotter with respect to getting hold of the truth.
So, I would like to tell you, but I have a lot riding on a couple of guys who have been poking around with the questions posed in this video. So, maybe next time- stay tuned!
PS- Not telling you doesn’t mean that I don’t love you, because I do. I’ll give you this, a prophecy: double your current 401k contributions. Trust me, you won’t regret it when you retire.
@Lor Prime the bible is man written, translated and over worked.
I meant he who can answer all questions, who is trusted by all his believers, who is responsible for all existing, break the silence and forgive our curiosity for once in our lifetime.
@Lor Prime the powers that be play both sides, run the media, run the churches at the top...the ancient findings, have you seen them or are they locked away in the Vatican? I've seen pictures of them on line, but I've also seen pictures of ancient texts that have been taken out of the biblical cannon. Maybe they were never in it. There is so much confusion, so little trust in the keepers of the texts, so many translations, so much stake in power over the minds of people, and so little objective evidence either way. How how how can anyone condemn anybody for questioning it? I just want to ask. I can talk about the Bible. I have studied the Bible. I don't claim to know a lot, but I can hold a conversation. Maybe I've just let too many schools of thought into my mind, but here I am, questioning.
@Lor Prime sorry, but its all man made. Knowing the mentality of human beings, I wouldn't trust the expertise of many. How much wrong is interpreted in human history.
@@owencampbell4947 : See, I answered all your questions in my first post, and you still won’t listen. I even told you how to handle your finances and as usual, no one listens.
Don’t push me, I’m getting that feeling again. Don’t make me turn the sprinklers on like that one time.
quoran 7:172 and 40:11 give a clear answer to the topic. It's also related to free will.
Future has been given as promises not yet build up. However, it will be settled through an other bigbang when this world perishes.
So then, "God" is no longer omniscient? Never though he was, but was always told it was so. Now a man of the cloth is telling us that god does not know any more about the future than we do. Why then is he still called god?
I'm not a believer myself but it seems if God is all knowing and has perfect knowledge along with being outside of time and he knows exactly what you'll do, from an observation standpoint, even amongst the many possibilities the individual perceives they have it doesn't seem like there's genuine free will in the sense that the guest presented it. If anything there's the illusion of (libertarian) free will. Because God's knowledge is apparently perfect, whatever he knows WILL happen. There's no in between in my estimation, casual relationship aside. By simply knowing the move, it's ordained to occur. If he knows you'll die at 43, whatever the case, you WILL die at 43. Especially if this is the traditional understanding of God, all the Omni's included.
@@arletottens6349 now that's an interesting thought
@@arletottens6349 especially if he can perceive the entirety of time. But what a neat objection it would be to say God does not have perfect knowledge of his own being. Would he still be God??
@@FailedMystic the ONLY thing that God cannot do - is to not be God. As for FREE WILL, it is most assuredly is real. For His purpose, God created the Universe and us AND His Perfect System, of which reincarnation and Free Will are major components. There is a common error among believers that God commands ( especially the 10 commandments). Not true. God ONLY makes suggestions - as any good parents would. If God stood before you and told you to do 'something' and you said NO - He/She/It would leave you Loving you just as much as He did before asking you. Free Will is so important to God (and His Perfect System) that He doesn't even make Himself obviously know to everyone. That would skew the whole Free Will thing. We would behave differently if God was obvious. He is very subtle - EVERYWHERE you look. To mess with Free Will would be like throwing the proverbial monkey wrench into the workings of His Perfect System. As children of God, we are extremely powerful. We can create. If we ALL came together, WE have the power to create Heaven on Earth 🌎🌍.
Modalism resolves this dilemma. It points out an enthymematic problem in Maimonides where he tacitly assumes future must necessarily happen one way. Modalism would modify that by pointing out the God contingently knows.
Modalism ignores what Roger Penrose discovers about time. He has two books the cycles of time where time is viewed as a loop with no beginning or ending. The future influences that past and the present is undefined. The arrow of time incorporates the knowledge of an event in order to explain the flow of time. The future is an ensemble of all possible realities. The present is undefined meaning the events have hot happened. The past is the observation of events.
In philosophical terms we have Be, Becoming and Being.
This channel needs to stop talking about nonsense. Just because logic and science are incomplete or inconsistent, it does not mean you need to introduce a concept as incomplete and inconsistent as god into the mix.
God is all there is, first of all spirit and and its been and will be for ever. and in it there is his mind which his wish is all physical , virtual and which comes in to and out of existance from nothing to somthing in everything. that includes our limited thoughts , words and actions, Gods thoughts , words and actions are unlimited and forever. God is everything , everywhere at the same time and same place . he is one with no boby beside him but every body in him. and he is sharing his life, his free will and wishing us to know and pick better things in all the oppsites and extremes . with good and bad concequences . but on the whole he is in complete control, and our well wisher. BE GOOD AND DO GOOD ALL THE TIME. AND YOU LIVE FOREVER YOUNG AND FREE.
In life 'doing' is not important. When you 'die' (you never do 'die' - just change forms) God does NOT care what you are doing, thinking (believing), or having - and neither will you. All that matters is what you are BEING.
God is not the platonic form of man, a perfect human, but in spirit form. The "mind of God" does not operate like the mind of a human. God does not have a brain. All is now. The future, past, and present are all settled.
No that is how time works. “The mind of God does not operate like the mind of a human”. This is an empty phrase devoid of meaning. It tells me nothing. There is no absolute time in which their is a universal now. There is a now relative to an observer but that now could be another observers past or future.
Choice only exists in the moment, not in the future. For example: Will I drink coffee tomorrow morning, or will I choose not to? That choice will only exists tomorrow morning. Not theist will say god exists outside of time and space and can thus know our future choices, however we do not and therefore neither do our choices.
Then God isn't all knowing, Sounds like the question was immediately answered...
Well I don’t think we can talk about the future or time without knowing its scope and its nature. In other words, if somebody were to ask me to describe the present moment right now, what would I say ? I would have no way of describing a present moment even though it’s real for I don’t know the limits to the scope of this present moment. And so the future and the past are both part of the same eternity so there is a Temporal singularity- separated by the illusion of empty space. If space is Truly empty then time exists. If space is actually filled with everything through all scales then time does not exist because there’s no room for cause-and-effect. And so on the God level space is totally filled and simultaneous- and so timeless
The Final Proof of the non-Existence of God was proved by a Babel Fish.
Now, it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that anything so mind-bogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some have chosen to see it as the final proof of the NON-existence of God. The argument goes something like this:
"I refuse to prove that I exist," says God, "for proof denies faith, and without faith I am nothing."
"But," says Man, "the Babel fish is a dead giveaway, isn't it? It could not have evolved by chance. It proves that You exist, and so therefore, by Your own arguments, You don't. QED."
"Oh dear," says God, "I hadn't thought of that," and promptly vanishes in a puff of logic.
"Oh, that was easy," says Man, and for an encore goes on to prove that black is white and gets himself killed on the next zebra crossing.
@@redmed10 Well I can’t even prove that I exist because I don’t know the nature of my own consciousness. So therefore both God and I exist as a force of our own ignorance
Whether you believe God or as I believe ( Eternal Consciousness) created this universe , this existence , we live in , we all believe that our creator is ETERNAL . To face it's eternal existence , everything MUST BE COMPLETELY RANDOM , or there would be no point to all of this !!!!!!!!!!!
"...we all believe that our creator is ETERNAL . "
Who is this "WE'?
Lets just analyze what this guy is saying. God created the universe and he's outside time, so he sees everything that people do throughout the entirety of the universe, but he's not responsible for what people do because they have "free will". Uhuh... ok, so that's like saying that you're reading a book with characters doing things, but you're not responsible for what they do. But you wrote the book. Or, perhaps this guy thinks that God didnt create the universe, hence why he's not responsible for what happens. Is that what he's claiming?
A process yields a result true to that process, but requires time, so if God is outside of time then is outside of responsibility of that process to be true. The process could also be true (yielding a true result) but the result having an inverse relation to the process. Free will would be in choosing the apparent over the true.
An example is a process that makes bubbles. The result is a bubble, and the process ends there, but the bubble bursts and a new process begins, the formation of three bubbles to replace the single. The objective is continuation of the process and the inverse result is a breaking down to allow the continuation. The three bubbles join to become one again.
Free will seems to reside between knowledge of process and the will to power, which is the assertion of objects before their time, and having the choice of which action to take, allowing a pool of knowledge (big bubble) or asserting a self diminishing identity (civilizations that grow, are rigid and fail) a process that reduces yet allows continuance.
In a book the characters are separate objects and the end of the book signifies another, larger object ending. The smaller objects combined to form a larger object that then subdivided, and free will can decide whether the process result goes into the knowledge pool or another, more contrived object of power.
Knowing the end from the beginning, doesn't necessarily mean he knows (or cares) about some of the stuff in the middle. If you follow a sports team, and know a lot about the players and owners, then you probably are able to predict what their rank will be at the end of the season. (And of course, you hope they exceed that expectation.)
God does know what each of us thinks, as he has a fragment of his spirit indwelling each of our minds. He knows us better than we know ourselves (partly because we typically suppress certain thoughts or memories). Each of us is free to choose good or evil, but in the aggregate, each inhabited planet will eventually reach the Age of Light and Life.
@@realitycheck1231 God ONLY does perfect.
I totally agree with you, especially with your last paragraph. However, when it comes to sports,
Sorry. Wrong button. When it comes to sports, I have reservations. At our current level of evolution, sports are nothing more than a training ground for conflict (even war). Instead of individual athletes trying to be better than they were before ( for their own sake ) - they are encouraged to Beat Hammer, Destroy, Kill, ect ect. the 'other'. It is barbaric, unevolved, and unenlightened. It is nothing more than one Ego trying to be faster, smarter, stronger than another Ego. This mind set is a prime training ground for war. It sickens me to see so many fooled by such an illusion in this day and age.
If God doesn't care to stop evil, then what good is he?
He created everything so he created hell. What a wonderful God.
I think God doesn't experience time. If God did experienced time, God would be a human. Time is made by God by the very fact of Creation. Only living beings can feel time since they are mortal. For God, we are just a blink of an eye. Time is an illusion. Photons don't feel time.
Sounds like a having your cake situation. Real free will and predetermination can't exist in the same reality.
This all comes down to "my version of a god must be real". Something we have had plenty of experience in declaring as an absolute fact over the many generations.
Prearranged futures map out the past......Questions no God will ever answer......for no one will ever get the chance to ask.
Imagine an hourglass. The sand at the top is the future which is high density energy, we're at the little constriction in the middle and as the sand goes through the constriction we and lots of other stuff are energized, move around and we do stuff. The sand falls into the bottom of the glass as less energetic radiation and time passes. Unfortunately the stuff that gets built at that constriction often tends to follow the Maximum Power Principle and derives the most profit and growth from the energy flow. It has a tendency to push out anything else that isn't as "greedy" and prone to insatiable reproduction and growth. God would not be surprised with what humans are doing. God may have some respect for a human that says "NO", but would not expect it.
If you are a very strong man, and seeing a weak man raping and killing a woman, and you simply passed by and ignored it, doesn’t that mean you take at least some of the responsibilities for ignoring it??????
YES - but what's your point?
He’s making it up!!
Also I might add when asked difficult questions The tap dancing begins...
This one is just plain weird. Gotta have God but we're letting him off the hook for not stopping the Holocaust.
i love guys like this... just make crap up as
you go along... wow must be nice to live in fantasy land
It pays well and you don't get dirt under your nails.
How can you be sure though that god is perfectly good?? Seems a little too good to be true to me. I just can’t imagine any entity is completely good, because how can you define what is good?
Abusurd guys are playing dishonesty GOD atribuites.
They are no so serious. Clown.
I mean, in order to think that God is "perfectly good" you also have to believe that committing mass murder and genocide is a good thing. Tells you a lot about how these religious people think.
If god settled the future he would have settled this already..
The obvious question is: If God knows everything about the future, the evils and good of sentient Beings in the Universe throughout the entirety of time, why then bother with Creation? Perhaps we're nothing more than a thought experiment.
The short answer is for His Glory. The longer answer is based on God's 3 Desires - of which WE are part of. Interested?
Step one: God is described as having perfect knowledge of all future events.
Step two: God set everything into motion while knowing all future events.
Step Three: God totally blames his creations for messing up his creation and his perfect knowledge of it.
Step Four: If God is omniscient, omnipotent, and omnipresent he alone is responsible for what he holds his creations to blame for. It can't be any other way.
The American Christian description of God breaks down into nonsense and counter intuition.
@@HumanAndroid18 Yeah. He created everything, knows everything, created the game, he invented the rules and the punishment for not repenting for breaking the rules...but it's still our fault. Ha!
If its already laid out on a timeline, its set in stone. Cant change. Therefore is already determined. God cant change it and neither can you. Changing your actions changes what God wouldve foreknown.
Well.....that's cleared that up!
Is we closer to Trooth yet?
The only problem is the inclusion of religion instead of the refuting of religion
According to the NDE community, it is a collaborative work between God and people who decide to live yet another life. God is beyond time but negotiates with us accordingly. Freedom is a relative thing. There is plenty of randomness in human and animal behavior, with freedom increasing with vocabulary.
There is no negotiating. True that we are doing this in collaboration with God but it is all done on a Free Will basis. Before a soul starts a new reincarnated life, it decides what next it desires to experience (Free Will) and then decides what life to be born into in order to experience that. God's promise to us is that we can BE, DO, and Have whatever we desire (applicable to every lifetime). No negotiating - ONLY Free Will.
@@garychartrand7378 God keeps us from getting too crazy with our plan.
NDE is a misnomer. Nobody experiencing an NDE ever actually died.
If we think that in order to be free we must be God, then forget it. Our freedom is a tiny part of God's freedom, therefore we can only exercise our free will within God's energies, which are perfectly known to him.
Don't you know that you are in the process of evolving. According to God's Desires, He wants Everyone to eventually return to Him. In your evolution, you will eventually grow into Christ Consciousness and continue growing into God Consciousness. Jesus even said " Have I not said that ye are gods".
Who is responsible for evil people that make the world suffering in great misery? Does god care for people at all? It seems to me that god doesn't care at all for human kind since evil is predomimant in the world for all times...
What is evil?
Did you choose to come to this life ? He chose to create you the only thing you can choose it’s to live your life and choose your path it’s up to you to decide to take the good path or the evil path
Humans always choose to take the evil side . GOD is the light of the world the infinity ♾. It’s very easy to understand it
Satanism deny that there is no punishment, punishment in hell is real, i see many people gnashing their teeth in hell, some people interviewed in this channel are going to hell for sure,some are rewarded in heaven****
People have different god concepts in mind. For freedom of choice to exist god does not know all choices people will make. Else all choices a person makes would be predetermined. If predetermined then freedom of choice is an illusion. A killer not guilty. A rapist just subject to predetermined actions. Life would be without meaning. The creative force from which all life came forth watches his creation not knowing all outcomes. He has made it so. He may know the set of all possible outcomes, but not which one will actually occur.
How can there be claimed to be prophecy, then, which is a big part of the theistic religions? Apparently "God" knows what outcome will occur in those cases, right? So he knows in some cases, but not in others? How is he "all-knowing," then, which the god religions usually also claim? And what does that say about free will, if no matter what you do the prophecy will have to occur? It sounds more like a big, jumbled mess of contradiction than anything coherent.
@@ricklanders blame religions for the big jumbled mess of contradictions. In Truth (Spirituality) it is all understandable.
Please post these videos with time between them. This is the last time I'm going to click “2 new videos” in the notifications without seeing titles. I can make guesses as to why TH-cam started doing it but they should have given an option to put it back as they were. If you continue to post them together I will generally only see them if they come up in recommendations or I decide to look specifically at the list of channel videos.
That guy is just squirming around to dodge the issue.
This man doesn’t know what he is talking about. If you stay near a black hole for few hours, the entire human lifespan passes away. If you stay outside the universe, you can see past, present and future.
Maybe when God prophesies future, is relating what will happen through free will, whether on his part or other?
In general, the future happens before the present, as the present goes into the past? For any present, the future is already done, and is heading towards the past?
space time..
Time is an illusion. The only place where life can be found is ONLY in this moment - NOW.
Has Harry Potter settled the future? Another lame attempt to inject a deity into a discussion as if the deity exists. The Internet. Where all religions and god thingies go to die.
God knows that he puts us here and he awaits to see how we handle our lives and manage our societies--what's the problem with an all knowing God who is leaving choices to us??
Thanks for the video. Exactly my thoughts and ideas about this topic.
Your punishment is hell
Your reward is heaven****
Reward for what?
It's not free - IF - he can see it all. It collapses from the wavelike structure of potential into 4D particles. Units of time
9:01 😇
There's a difference between watching a screen go black, and knowing how to turn it back on. The choice of an individual's life/body/beliefs must always be allowed, regardless of potential consequence. I believe the phrase goes something like, give them the rope to noose themselves?
God knows the future, whether he decides to interfere and change it , that is another problem.
Simpler without Him.
Heaven is true
This is "Impossible" for Mankind to Know...
It just all "Taught"....Beliefs.
NOT impossible. Get to know God on a personal basis and He will tell you the Truth. I was taught when I was younger what to believe but now I have a personal intimate relationship with God and He/She/It almost ALWAYS answers my questions. I have no need of belief or faith - I have KNOWING.
@@garychartrand7378 If that works for you that is a wonderful thing. I hope mankind would have something to make it Love one another... Better. Because it seems it hasn't worked thus far. But there is always...Hope.
Lets ask these questions to someone who is living in extreme poverty.
Everything is just a reaction to an action after the big bang.
Everything which must happen will happen. All the events in the universe are merely predefined reactions, the only true action which was the first and only was the creation of everything...
His logic is not logic.
Interviews like this are a good example of why the entire notion of God is completely untenable and incoherent.
Yup
If there is a God, then God either had a plan or he didn't. If he didn't have a plan, then he is reckless. If he had a plan, then all things are going according to plan or they are not. If all things are going according to plan, then he is malevolent. If all things are not going according to plan, then he is incompetent. Q.E.D.
The future is heaven and hell****
If so basically if God is omni-benevolent he CAN'T be omniscient
God has settled that everything in future happens through free will?
Curiosity and claims enable us to be esoteric, but what about the strong and logical evidence that as humans we biologically evolved into existence as a new species of life?
@Lor Prime I'm a biologist with lots of chemistry.
@Lor Prime I recommend you listen to Rationally Rules on the internet. He is not a scientist, but in my opinion incredibly intelligent and is addressing this topic with wisdom.
The God’s gave us the tools ⚒️ to find out how to go to future by using your minds!
Maybe due to memory and other things, person(s) sense time from past to present to future; while through prophecy and other things God works in time from the future to the present to past?
Mr Kuhn et al: please buckle your seat belts....this could get bumpy...
First: thank you for your thoughtful works....nice to see people actually thinking on the internet.
Second: please don' t take this the wrong way...
But, utilizing the analytic methods that you and your guest employ, I must be God....I can absolutely, with 100% accuracy, predict the winner of the 1975 World Series.
To expand: you are discusing a document (the Bible) written admittedly some time after the alleged moment of God revealing his intent to man, which astonishingly subsequently happened ( also a long time ago..). Lacks analytical rigor, I think..
Here's what this atheist thinks: you are discussing the likelihood of some diety having foreknowledge of future occurrences, and therefore his interest or ability to ordain a certain result.
I would say: you don't need a diety in that equation, and no indication of said diety's existence.
I understand that quantum theory questions causality in general, but I would remind you that it was not that long ago that our ancestors were discovering fire.....we may not have causation quite figured out. Proves nothing.
There may in fact be a God. But God's existence is not as yet demonstrated to be required to explain this wondrous universe.
I know for a fact that there is a God - but He/ She/It is not the God of the understanding of the masses.
Absolutely. But Kuhn knows that actually getting to this truth would reduce his two decade money tree to a five minute episode.
@@garychartrand7378 "I know for a fact that there is a God"
You are of the opinion there is a god. If anyone could prove it as a fact, you wouldn't need to even say that.
Yep.
Humans see the future as a particle while God can see it as a wave.
Don't wave at Yahweh. It makes you a target.
God expects us to do evil because God created us to be good and evil. So God knows we will be evil and God expects all crimes committed and will continue to be committed in the future. Ie. IF there is a god.
If there is a god, it is irrelevant to us.
God settles the future / prophecy at the time it is made, which then happens at the time appointed by the prophecy / future? In such a scenario, the future is before the present and can determine the present? God can and does intervene through the future into the present?
Summary of the video: Closer To Madness
So we are told that God spoke the universe into existence. He is the ultimate judge, jury, and executioner. He also plans on judging you for whether or not you repented for the sins you are guilty of...according to the Bible.
This is a ridiculous and meaningless redundancy that can not be justified by any thinking person.
Who told you the lie that God is the ultimate judge, jury and executioner.
In January 2008 God gave me a job description that says " I am sending you out by the Power of my Spirit to Release those bound by Fear, to Proclaim Forgiveness, and to Show Love to ALL men. Ironically, I don't have to like you but it is necessary that I love you.
I have been working for God for 14 years now. He has performed miracles through me with WITNESSES and many more without witnesses.
A couple of years ago I came across some writing that said "Only God judges me". I was immediately and strongly moved ( by the Spirit) to add to this and so I wrote"Wrong. God does not judge, nor condemn, nor punish. God ONLY LOVES UNCONDITIONALLY. It is man who judges, condemns, and punishes. God is not cruel. It is man who is cruel".
What man calls 'sin' God calls mistakes and mistakes are not dealt with by punishment but rather are offered the opportunities (as many as needed) for correction. This is part of the reason for reincarnation. We are evolving (maturing, growing) eventually into Christ Consciousness and then on to God Consciousness. Jesus even said " Have I not said that ye are gods".
You (like most others) have God ALL wrong thanks to our religious leaders who wouldn't know God if He bit them in their asses. If you really want to know God, I strongly suggest that you cut out the lying middle-men ( sins of the father passed on even unto the seventh generation) and develop a one on one relationship with God yourself. Then you can get the Truth right from the horse's mouth. God Desires a personal relationship with each and every one of His children. Just remember that a personal relationship with God is not any different than any human relationship - each is unique.
Will G-d interfere if NK or Iran or others push the nuclear button?
This is terrible. Apparent can usually tell what's going to go on with their child and somewhat know the choices that they're going to make and the things that they're going to do. Whether it's for them or if it's against them it's not necessarily determined because it still depends on the actions of the child. The parent knows that you should get a good fruit out if the child goes about it this way or you can get a rotten fruit if the child goes about it the other way.
In God's realm there is no rotten fruit. You can't lose in God's Perfect System.
@@garychartrand7378 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Matthew 7:15-23 KJV
Again your word doesn't line up with the word of God.
@@garychartrand7378 For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes. A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.
Luke 6:43-45 KJV
@@garychartrand7378 right you can't lose with the belief and trust in Jesus Christ.
@@garychartrand7378 for there aren't testaments without a testator. Jesus Christ has attested to both. Old testament is Jesus concealed, new testament Jesus revealed.
the believe in a god is giving up the I for serving and worshiping an invisible being that no one has ever seen and has never manifested even thou there are millions of cellphones on the streets
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I wonder who/ how was it determined that god is (perfectly) good?
Why can’t god be Evil or Not Good?...........
seems like humans are trying to shape god into human desires...
Ephesians 1:11 In him we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to the purpose of him who works all things according to the counsel of his will, I'm an atheist and understand this....
How?
You 'think' you understand this but take it from one of God's Messangers - you don't know squat.
The Creator already settled the future as the Creator already seen all Possibilities/Probability aka knows all and sees all.
Well said ... Foreknowing Observing..doesn't take away your responsibility...you are still free and responsible
God is a Serious observer.
Landscape of space time is not very different than a landscape on Earth. There are pathways laid out by our government. We then choose a path when we get to a junction. Similarly, God has laid out pathways on the spacetime. We than choose our path when we get to a junction according to our preference. God has not chosen what path we will take, but he has laid out paths through space time for each and everyone of us, and this set of pathways are our desinity or future. Now how God knows what paths we will take or not take? God knows because He is God, but we do not, because we are men. We cannot ask how God knows, we can only believe. Compared to God, we are like robots. We can make a robot and say the robot is made in our image, and therefore, the robot is like us. But, it cannot be said that we are like the robot we have made. We are much more than a robot, we can never explain this to a robot. The robot will simply have to believe it.
God Created His Perfect System for His/Her/It's purpose. We are at a point in our evolution where it is possible to understand the make up and function of His Perfect System. It is simple so that the least among us could understand it - but it is very involved. After all, it deals with Life, Love, the Universe, and EVERYTHING.
Does God see the future before it happens in the present; that God's prophecy puts into motion events that happen later?
This guy wants it both ways. A world where its God is omniscient but he's not being held accountable for the things he knew would happen before he set it all into motion.
Why would you hold God accountable for anything. He/She/It created us - His creative children. WE created the rest with our Free Will.
They really need to read the KJV of the Bible especially the book of Daniel and the books of the prophets, all 4 gospels, and Revelation for prophecy.
Tyre.
How many prophesies need to fail before the bible is no longer inerrant?
Firstly who has created GOD? These two men are wishfully thinking that God(With no religion) has written the final words.
Sorry, but this one of the stupidest argument I've heard. And it coming from 2 educated person. God help us. Pardon the pun.
This guy keeps talking in circles and contradicting himself.
If yes, that God is a pure evil.
The mental gymnastics coming from this guy is amazing, lots of senseless babble