Thanks for another interesting riff guys👍. At the opposite end of the price scale, I was astonished at the improvement Origin Live's cartridge enabler made to a 2M Red cartridge, at less than £30 it was a bargain, also their turntable mat is quite good too. Jim🏴🙂
Im fortunate enough to own a MK4 Sovereign together with 12” Conqueror supporting a Lyra Delos. The sound is all as you described more natural and organic. I sold my LP12 to purchase it. I haven’t looked back since 2019. I only wished I had jumped sooner before spending serious cash with LP12 upgrades! The rest of the replay chain is - phonostage Modwright Ph9.0 - Amp - DecwareZenUFO802 - speakers - Marten Oscar Duo
You can get a good second hand price for some Linn upgrades but having said that is it sonically worth it? Fortunately I have not spent really serious cash on them as the sky now is the limit. N.B. Tiger Paw Skale & Tranquility were non Linn upgrades that made the famous Sondek more tonally natural.
Yet again great riff chaps, never owned any OL products but have heard some of their products over the years, always great sounding and brilliantly finished. Made me concerned with my PT decks however being always on a tight budget OL stuff made me fully of envy. Cheers Chaps.
Turntable reviews are great, just can't get enough! Thanks guys! If I had to build a turntable it would be without springs, no O rings, no suspension. Therefore, no lateral movements, meaning a source of speed drift just got eliminated.
Yes you're spot on in this respect - but then you'd have to float it on something to decouple it from the room. Possibly a bicycle tyre inner tube, or blow-up lilo?
I built one , based it on a dynavector design and has every mod I found that was relevant. Has OL silver arm and motor, Has 2 motors 4 drive belts , funk vector drive , torlyte base on hardwood feet. Platter is acrylic with ss counterweights for stability. Wow and flutter is non existent and sound is very pleasing. Used with AT vm 95sh B rig and am very happy with sound. Cleaned records generally play without any static. I make my own cleaner and apply with paint pad, rinse off with deionised water. total cost has been £1000 and i dont think I could get a similar spec tt for less than £5k. Very glad i turned my 35 year olf rega P3 to this new TT
To the Ant and Dec of hifi (meant with the most sincerest of compliments). Thank you for another entertaining and informative riff. Though the price is stellar (for me anyway) it feels like it’s a snip when compared to the latest LP12 50th anniversary edition - i understand that this will have more of a collector appeal. Yet, I feel the music experience is likely to be more rewarding with this beauty. BTW, did you change your seating arrangement to mess with our heads? You know A&D have rules around this kind of thing. Also is it ‘Mike and Dave’s hifi riff’ or ‘Dave and Mike’s hifi riff’? Minor thing but is audiophiles are all about the details.
Origin Live Arms are up there with some of the best arms ever made ! I remember my Thorens 160 with Origin Live RB 250 was a great combo! Rececently had the Pleasure of listening to the Pure Fidelity Harmony turntable ( great Canadian Turntable company ) with the Illustrious Tonearm (Origin Live ) absolutely amazing!
Interesting riff... I see that Origin Live make a fair range of TTs and arms, and the starting point is (relatively!!) affordable. I wonder how the others compare to this one; there look to be common design features. I hope they are terrible, but I suspect not. Upgradeitis is a worrying process! On the subject of jumpers, a particularly splendid example at 4.20!
They are if you're talking about hitting them both together from a cold start but many people in the hobby, probably most, are generally upgrading one item at a time and trading in or selling a component of decent quality towards it. I've owned every one of the OL tonearms now up to the Enterprise and done so in incremental steps. The time taken between the steps are getting longer, admittedly 😅 Fabulous gear though.
a question, if i bought a sme model 15 with a 309 arm and then later wanted to upgrade the arm i would have to buy a whole new turntable? is this the way sme are going?
I don't see why that should be? I don't know the 15 but why do you think you need to buy a new turntable, if you want a different arm? A arm doesn't even need to be connected to the table if the reach is there, pivot to spindle is correct. If there's no room to adjust the arn what seems unlikely, just make sure a replacement arm is exactly the same length or do what I suggested in the first instant.
@hoobsgroove you misunderstood my question, sme no longer sell there arms on there own, so if you wanted to upgrade the arm you now cannot buy an arm off sme, if you look at any sme dealers they no longer offer there arms for sale
@@jamesdyer9022 right that's not good why they decide to do that for?? anyway there's bitter arms out there, have a look at the (suptrac blackbird) People say it's more superior than the sme mk5 and is £2,000 you won't go wrong with an arm like that, it's a no-brainer. And they make arm boards for SME
I sincerely wish that origin live TTs are available more locally. I have set my budget for a fully loaded Rega 10, around £5k, and whilst I can't afford this epic TT, I would love to audition an Origin Live from further down the range side by side with the Rega 10. Alas I can't do this. Michael Fremer really rates these TTs as do many others who have reviewed them.
Having had a resolution mk3, which I bought 2nd hand, originally with an encounter and then an enterprise arm I can honestly say it out performed both the project and rega decks that would have cost about the same as you are looking to spend. I will admit to falling for upgradeitis as Tony Cottrell notes, but that wasn't because of anything lacking. It was simply because I fortunately live a couple of miles from the factory and managed to get a listen to something similar to that being reviewed. If you can get to a show or dealer and here one before you take the plunge on the Rega I don't think you would regret the info your ears would get from the trial. Alternatively an OL arm upgrade on your current deck (if you can) might be worth considering. You can always do the deck later, I have seen OL themselves sell some traded in arms.
Switched places? I think I know what happened.. the left speaker has been plugged into the right channel and right speaker into the left channel.. even the experts get this wrong sometimes..🙂
Nicely done again chaps. However, what's with sitting in each other's seat? Like the Two Ronnies or Ant & Dec, you need to be consistent there 😀 Origin Live did their structural mod to my RB300 back in the 90's, and I still have it in use :)
I was contemplating the origin live arms and funk firm, couldn't really make up my mind which was better? Now there's a new kid on the blog! I think I will get that what seems to have the correct concept in arm physics, what is the supatrac blackbird now £2,000 what's a shame probably worth it tho! have you had any experience with it? By the design I would say it is a superior arm knowing engineering. Something you should check out if you want a good phono stage to replace your other one you should check out classic audio new company in the UK very good phono stage spectacular the top of the range MMPro or MCPro 600£what a bargain, you should check one out have you had any experience with one? Probably not because you would have one
I'm really glad I have been out of the vinyl rut for the past 20 years or so. It is one of the quickest ways to bankrupt yourself chasing unicorns. Get yourselves a good ADC (exceptional ones can now be found in the pro market, costing much less than 1K quid), rip your favourite tracks from your favourite LPs on your favourite multi thousand quid vinyl playing system and see if listening to the rip through a half decent DAC manages to convey exactly what you are hearing directly from the vinyl. I think that you will be in for a surprise in that you will find it does. You can even compare the two real time if you so wish, switching from your preamp as you don't have to store the file somewhere (which is exactly the way John Atkinson listens to his vinyl). Which proves a lot but I'll leave it to you to think what exactly it proves, otherwise I will be called a cynic. Now, when it comes to masters and re-masters of older recordings that's altogether a different, unfortunate, issue and one that may justify owning a vinyl reproduction system if you're into the kind of music you chaps are into. I'm mostly into classical and jazz which, fortunately, does not suffer (much) by this 'de-mastering' disease. Btw, 3 times 'organic' is at the limit of what I can tolerate in a review. Just sayin'..
@@dirtharris better than underaged, silly and ignorant any day. So, it seems you had enough lagers for a week. Are you sure you're allowed to drink at your age? Any other extremely interesting comment you need to add before you return to your miserable life?
@@razisn Haha brilliant!!!! You've really got me there kiddo. Not really built for trolling are you?... Now... steady as she goes .... have another go ... this time make it at LEAST funny, maybe a little cutting? You know you can do it ... go for it!
You may well consider the price of this combination is too much, how much have you spent on records over the years and how much content of those records have you actually heard, this combination allows you complete access to the musical content making it something of a sonic bargain that upgrades your record collection.
You could buy an upscale car for the price some of these "high end" turntables even without cartridge. And you'll get about 100 time more materials, labour and technology. High end audio is a flaming ripoff. I will not be sucker to it.
brilliant guys , keep promoting the idependent english hifi manufactures they deserve your support!
@maddog31255 only the English consider themselves british, so the same thing
"..... And it's all slung together... Err.... Strung together" 😂😂😂😂❤
Thanks for another interesting riff guys👍.
At the opposite end of the price scale, I was astonished at the improvement Origin Live's cartridge enabler made to a 2M Red cartridge, at less than £30 it was a bargain, also their turntable mat is quite good too.
Jim🏴🙂
Im fortunate enough to own a MK4 Sovereign together with 12” Conqueror supporting a Lyra Delos. The sound is all as you described more natural and organic. I sold my LP12 to purchase it. I haven’t looked back since 2019. I only wished I had jumped sooner before spending serious cash with LP12 upgrades! The rest of the replay chain is - phonostage Modwright Ph9.0 - Amp - DecwareZenUFO802 - speakers - Marten Oscar Duo
You can get a good second hand price for some Linn upgrades but having said that is it sonically worth it? Fortunately I have not spent really serious cash on them as the sky now is the limit. N.B. Tiger Paw Skale & Tranquility were non Linn upgrades that made the famous Sondek more tonally natural.
Another great Riff and the TT looks gorgeous! Interesting to hear David's thoughts on phono stage recommendation too.
Yet again great riff chaps, never owned any OL products but have heard some of their products over the years, always great sounding and brilliantly finished. Made me concerned with my PT decks however being always on a tight budget OL stuff made me fully of envy. Cheers Chaps.
Turntable reviews are great, just can't get enough! Thanks guys! If I had to build a turntable it would be without springs, no O rings, no suspension. Therefore, no lateral movements, meaning a source of speed drift just got eliminated.
Yes you're spot on in this respect - but then you'd have to float it on something to decouple it from the room. Possibly a bicycle tyre inner tube, or blow-up lilo?
@@MrVinylista :)
I built one , based it on a dynavector design and has every mod I found that was relevant. Has OL silver arm and motor, Has 2 motors 4 drive belts , funk vector drive , torlyte base on hardwood feet. Platter is acrylic with ss counterweights for stability. Wow and flutter is non existent and sound is very pleasing. Used with AT vm 95sh B rig and am very happy with sound. Cleaned records generally play without any static. I make my own cleaner and apply with paint pad, rinse off with deionised water.
total cost has been £1000 and i dont think I could get a similar spec tt for less than £5k. Very glad i turned my 35 year olf rega P3 to this new TT
Thirty grand for a record player, worlds gone mad.
To the Ant and Dec of hifi (meant with the most sincerest of compliments). Thank you for another entertaining and informative riff. Though the price is stellar (for me anyway) it feels like it’s a snip when compared to the latest LP12 50th anniversary edition - i understand that this will have more of a collector appeal. Yet, I feel the music experience is likely to be more rewarding with this beauty.
BTW, did you change your seating arrangement to mess with our heads? You know A&D have rules around this kind of thing. Also is it ‘Mike and Dave’s hifi riff’ or ‘Dave and Mike’s hifi riff’? Minor thing but is audiophiles are all about the details.
You switched places, that's so disorienting!
They've gone from Ant 'n' Dec to Dec 'n' Ant. It just isn't right😉
I though David was looking particularly handsome 😂
Mike
Try to be positive.... Remember it's the best they can do. Even this took a lot of thinking about. 😂
Lol
Nothing gets past you! 🙂
I'm still running an OL turntable from c. 1998 along with a OL modded tonearm. Gearing up to buy a new OL turntable sometime very soon.
Another fab Riff 👌🏻
Quickly became my fave You Tube channel. Mike n Dave ROCK 😎
Origin Live Arms are up there with some of the best arms ever made ! I remember my Thorens 160 with Origin Live RB 250 was a great combo! Rececently had the Pleasure of listening to the Pure Fidelity Harmony turntable ( great Canadian Turntable company ) with the Illustrious Tonearm (Origin Live ) absolutely amazing!
Interesting riff... I see that Origin Live make a fair range of TTs and arms, and the starting point is (relatively!!) affordable. I wonder how the others compare to this one; there look to be common design features. I hope they are terrible, but I suspect not. Upgradeitis is a worrying process!
On the subject of jumpers, a particularly splendid example at 4.20!
Got two of these badboys for dj'ing in the bedroom.
All round to yours with the technotronic EP.
Mike
I have Jay Z and Beyonce doing my house cleaning on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays
You're sitting the wrong way round from your usual positions, and I'm so confused. I need a lie down 😂
They are if you're talking about hitting them both together from a cold start but many people in the hobby, probably most, are generally upgrading one item at a time and trading in or selling a component of decent quality towards it.
I've owned every one of the OL tonearms now up to the Enterprise and done so in incremental steps. The time taken between the steps are getting longer, admittedly 😅
Fabulous gear though.
Do a video on the marantz you spoke of
a question, if i bought a sme model 15 with a 309 arm and then later wanted to upgrade the arm i would have to buy a whole new turntable? is this the way sme are going?
I don't see why that should be? I don't know the 15 but why do you think you need to buy a new turntable, if you want a different arm? A arm doesn't even need to be connected to the table if the reach is there, pivot to spindle is correct.
If there's no room to adjust the arn what seems unlikely, just make sure a replacement arm is exactly the same length or do what I suggested in the first instant.
@hoobsgroove you misunderstood my question, sme no longer sell there arms on there own, so if you wanted to upgrade the arm you now cannot buy an arm off sme, if you look at any sme dealers they no longer offer there arms for sale
@@jamesdyer9022 right that's not good why they decide to do that for?? anyway there's bitter arms out there, have a look at the (suptrac blackbird) People say it's more superior than the sme mk5 and is £2,000 you won't go wrong with an arm like that, it's a no-brainer. And they make arm boards for SME
Er, sorry but you are sat at different ends of the sofa. How on earth can anyone cope with that! Love the show.
I sincerely wish that origin live TTs are available more locally. I have set my budget for a fully loaded Rega 10, around £5k, and whilst I can't afford this epic TT, I would love to audition an Origin Live from further down the range side by side with the Rega 10. Alas I can't do this. Michael Fremer really rates these TTs as do many others who have reviewed them.
Having had a resolution mk3, which I bought 2nd hand, originally with an encounter and then an enterprise arm I can honestly say it out performed both the project and rega decks that would have cost about the same as you are looking to spend. I will admit to falling for upgradeitis as Tony Cottrell notes, but that wasn't because of anything lacking. It was simply because I fortunately live a couple of miles from the factory and managed to get a listen to something similar to that being reviewed. If you can get to a show or dealer and here one before you take the plunge on the Rega I don't think you would regret the info your ears would get from the trial. Alternatively an OL arm upgrade on your current deck (if you can) might be worth considering. You can always do the deck later, I have seen OL themselves sell some traded in arms.
Switched places? I think I know what happened.. the left speaker has been plugged into the right channel and right speaker into the left channel.. even the experts get this wrong sometimes..🙂
Yes, we're well and truly out of phase on this one, or something like that!
Clearly the Socket Botherer didn't bother the speaker sockets correctly
Nicely done again chaps. However, what's with sitting in each other's seat? Like the Two Ronnies or Ant & Dec, you need to be consistent there 😀 Origin Live did their structural mod to my RB300 back in the 90's, and I still have it in use :)
I was contemplating the origin live arms and funk firm, couldn't really make up my mind which was better? Now there's a new kid on the blog! I think I will get that what seems to have the correct concept in arm physics, what is the supatrac blackbird now £2,000 what's a shame probably worth it tho! have you had any experience with it? By the design I would say it is a superior arm knowing engineering. Something you should check out if you want a good phono stage to replace your other one you should check out classic audio new company in the UK very good phono stage spectacular the top of the range MMPro or MCPro 600£what a bargain, you should check one out have you had any experience with one? Probably not because you would have one
I'm really glad I have been out of the vinyl rut for the past 20 years or so. It is one of the quickest ways to bankrupt yourself chasing unicorns. Get yourselves a good ADC (exceptional ones can now be found in the pro market, costing much less than 1K quid), rip your favourite tracks from your favourite LPs on your favourite multi thousand quid vinyl playing system and see if listening to the rip through a half decent DAC manages to convey exactly what you are hearing directly from the vinyl. I think that you will be in for a surprise in that you will find it does. You can even compare the two real time if you so wish, switching from your preamp as you don't have to store the file somewhere (which is exactly the way John Atkinson listens to his vinyl). Which proves a lot but I'll leave it to you to think what exactly it proves, otherwise I will be called a cynic. Now, when it comes to masters and re-masters of older recordings that's altogether a different, unfortunate, issue and one that may justify owning a vinyl reproduction system if you're into the kind of music you chaps are into. I'm mostly into classical and jazz which, fortunately, does not suffer (much) by this 'de-mastering' disease. Btw, 3 times 'organic' is at the limit of what I can tolerate in a review. Just sayin'..
Time for a nap? Actually, that probably wouldn't be sufficient to dampen your arsey-ness.
@@dirtharris ho ho you're so funny and witty, cheers. Care for another pint?
@@razisn hmm. That reply. You sound old and very dull. So... No ta.
@@dirtharris better than underaged, silly and ignorant any day. So, it seems you had enough lagers for a week. Are you sure you're allowed to drink at your age? Any other extremely interesting comment you need to add before you return to your miserable life?
@@razisn Haha brilliant!!!! You've really got me there kiddo. Not really built for trolling are you?... Now... steady as she goes .... have another go ... this time make it at LEAST funny, maybe a little cutting? You know you can do it ... go for it!
The really scary thing here is that your saying it costs around 30k sterling to get out of vinyl what you can get out of digital for @ 300 pounds?
I think it's easily the other way round.
I remember comparing the rega 3 to the Sony cdp R1 transport / DAC, and the rega killed it.
Mike
You may well consider the price of this combination is too much, how much have you spent on records over the years and how much content of those records have you actually heard, this combination allows you complete access to the musical content making it something of a sonic bargain that upgrades your record collection.
Well said!
mega cool !
What do you match a £30,000 front end to 😮
David's bedroom system :-)
Truly ridiculous prices
Beyond justification
Thorens used 16 pole motors…
You could buy an upscale car for the price some of these "high end" turntables even without cartridge. And you'll get about 100 time more materials, labour and technology. High end audio is a flaming ripoff. I will not be sucker to it.
Guys your room sounds awful, even you 2 talking at the start it sounds like you've just moved into a new house it's echo central