Hi Brad ! That noise ... the motor could be one with brushes and they make that kind of noise - just an idea ! Oh, the ways looks very nice with the lapping ! Tooth brushes, yeah, they are very useable ... but they are hard to get clean again, so I often use my wife's, then it's her problem ! ;-)) TOP CLASS job you did there ... so fare at least !
Brad, That's quite an undertaking with the cleaning and repair. It feels great when the machine is put back together, you fire it up and it runs perfectly! Thanks for the video. Good luck with putting everything back together. Have a good one! Dave
Swarf Rat Thanks Dave. In all honesty, now that I'm seeing what's involved, it would only take a few hours to disassemble, soak the nuts/bolts (overnight) and simultaneously begin to hand-wash the bigger parts. The next day is re-assembly. I hope this video will help people undertaking the process ;)
Your inspiring me to start working on my grinder. I wish I could start on it right now, but I'm moving my shop out of storage and into a new space in the next few weeks. I can't wait!!!! ;-) Dale d
***** Thanks Dale. There are more parts on the way. Part three is set to be releases in a few days and filming the final 2 parts will be over the next few days. . In all honesty, now that I'm seeing what's involved, it would only take a few hours to disassemble, soak the nuts/bolts (overnight) and simultaneously begin to hand-wash the bigger parts. The next day is re-assembly. I hope this video will help people undertaking the process ;) Appreciate the comments and viewership Dale. Now go into your shop and build something cool ;)
Been trying to figure out how to get my 612 out of my folks' basement! I was debating whether it was OK to remove the column and motor to ease moving it. Thank you for giving me some hope for moving this beast!
Nice video. I purchased one of these myself this summer and will be tearing it down. Your video here will be very handy in the process. Love your vids man!!!
Hi! Stefan Gottswinter sent me over. Cool channel! I recommend safety goggles for cleaning. One little splash of chemicals, or grinding dust and you're crying. Literally! Peace! Chris
Christopher Beasley Hi Chris. Not sure but was I without them? I do always wear them when using Purple Power because I know what it does to skin, and can imagine what it does to eyes. Thanks so much for coming over to my channel to check it out. Hope you enjoy ;)
Good job Brad, looking forward to viewing the progress. I also find it enjoyable taking machines apart and cleaning them. As you have said "getting to know your machine. Taking Chinese stuff apart and making sure all parts are what should have been. Their quality control is something on the low end. Guess that's why they are cheaper. Like your videos, keep up the good work and they are very informative. Thanks again.
I just bought one of these the other night, but won't pick it up for a week or two. It looked pretty decent in the guys shop, but like yours, there's plenty of paint to uncover!
BasementShopGuy I picked mine up last night. It's a Boyer Scultz Challenger H618. Definitely needs some cleanup, but mechanically it's in good shape. Now I just need to find room in my shop for it!
I wonder if the spindle had gotten so noisy that whoever was operating it was trying to muffle the noise with the insulation. It is gonna be a handy machine to have around. I really enjoy the work you and Haligan142 do. Makes me want to take on a South Bend rebuild, amazing the abuse and age those machines have survived.
Jason Polensky Thanks Jay! Go for it - rebuilding the South Bends is a lot of fun and is very rewarding. The best part is uncovering the beautiful machine that lies under the dirt and rust.
Looking for the right one to come up on Craigslist. I think I want to go for the heavy 10. I may go for a Logan, but I am wondering which one will show up close enough first.
Hi mate. Good to see you doing the job in a video. When I do the degreasing, I often use those little kitchen sponges that are green on one side, like a scouring pad, and soft on the other side. I also use stainless steel wool, it makes caked on stuff much easier to remove (not the fine stuff). The degreaser, can you just dry it off, or do you need to rinse it with water first? Often I just use the high pressure hose to wash of parts, but than, it dries very fast here in West Australia. the small parts I just put in a basket, and blast the crap out of it. Just a thought ;) Kind regards, Marcel.
Nice video Brad....was just wondering if you were particularly looking for the Boyer machine and model, or if that is just what came along. Are you thinking of using it for surface grinding, or in combination as a tool grinder? I picked up a KO Lee 6062 tool grinder a few months back, more because it just happened to pop up close,and was well equipped at a good price. I haven't done anything with it yet, but "dirty" and "grinder" go hand in hand!....I'll be interested in seeing how you handle the dirt!
Jim Liechty Haha - thanks Jim. I kind of stumbled onto this machine and learned about it after I bought it. I (did) go ahead with the purchase on the recommendations from a few people and one-night's worth of reading on forums. Glad you like the vids and appreciate the viewrship!
Great tear down Brad, i was wondering what kind of scraping tools you use? and were do you buy them or where i can order them from? thanks man great vids
How did you get that beast into your basement? I have successfully gotten mine off the bed of my pickup - used a chain fall and a tree with a big branch. Now its sitting next to my concrete driveway. My next step will be to use a engine hoist to lift off the top assembly - I've got the table off, but now have to figure out how to remove the cross slide. My ultimate plan is to strip it down to bare metal, prime it with two-part epoxy and finish off with a two-part, single stage automotive paint. But, this dam thing is HEAVY! Any suggestions regarding moving it around would be greatly appreciated!
Nice job on the grinder so far Brad, can't wait to see it making some sparks. I've always been afraid of using chemical cleaners, made the mistake of using simple green to clean some parts and darn if it didn't start removing the paint. I assume PP doesn't do that since it appears the paint is still in tact on your parts cleaned thus far. I think I'm going to give it a try on some of my tools I'm about to pull apart and clean. Thanks for the video, I'm enjoying it.
***** One thing about PP is that it can ruin paint - thin paint. Now, a Brideport (and this grinder's) paint jobs are super-thick and tough. The PP won't affect the paint. Old South Bend parts, yup - paint will be ruined. So it all depends. So glad you guys are enjoying the vids!
Brad Pity U did not take shots of the tear down. That would've been most informative and greatly appreciated. U Guys really know Your machines. Just got our 1969 German Blohm Simplex recently. Massive in comparison, but in fair nick. Your restorations are something else !!! aRM
Brad Have watched you rebuild several machines now, where on earth do you find them I am in Va and have a serious hard time trying to find used machines that aren't outta site expensive. Thanks for sharing your awesome work!
Hi, Brad. One of those is about to follow me home. Boyar-Schultz H612. What I am wondering is whether those pegs sticking out from the main casting at the back are meant as fork lift lifting points? The manual found on Keith Ruckers site says only "lift by means of the studs located on either side of the machine bed and the crossfeed handwheel housing." Are those studs the sames the pegs and does the machine balance well on them?
I spent over $300 getting new spindle bearing on my harig. abec7 7204CYP4 and 7205CYP4. Don't bother spending the extra hundred on duplex bearings unless they are directly facing one another or with equivalent spacers. Standard angular contact bearings are mad to the same quality only that the inner race may be reseed or pertruding slightly when preloaded.
Alexander McGilton Alex - I'm leaving the bearings as they are. A Little research showed that the spindle is all normal and AOK. If though, it presents problems while in service, I'll then look into replacing them. Thanks for the commnets and info, appreciate that ;)
BasementShopGuy I got my grinder up and running in January of 2013, with the 40 year old bearings. In the weeks following I started the tool making section of my technical training and became envies of how quiet and smooth running the college's machines were. During spring break I got equivalent Natchi bearings ($150 less than harig) and it made a world of difference . It achieves sparkout reliably , I don't need ear protection, satin finish on rough cuts, and especially no chatter when side wheel grinding.
Hay Brad Love the work buddy, but how the Feck!! Do ya no where all the bits go!! I no you stripped it, so ya should no, kind of, you must have a good memory, ones round the goldfish bowl for me, and I'm lost! Lol
Mark Williamson Hahaha - it was easy. The best way to burn-in how something works is to take it apart. It was only a few days later so it was easy to remember. Not a lot of parts...
Mack McCurry The tripod and flex-stand is proving pretty effective now. I do have a camera mount (for overhead shots) that I made. Video of that coming soon.
Can you share where are you found the Bellows? And maybe even the size that you ordered if you remember? I’m just starting to work on the same grinder.
Mack McCurry Nothing beats soaking and/or hand cleaning greasy parts. I'm in no time-rush. Steaming wouldn't get all the dirt from the tiny cracks and crevices.
DSCKy It might be, but for me it's really easy to soak parts, nuts, bolts overnight in a concentrated bath. Taking them out and letting them dry is just as easy. The P-Power really cuts most of the grease totally off, so parts come out pretty clean. There are times (like in this video) that you gotta hand wash something, but it's no sweat. Especially in the freezing winter. The pressure washer might have done real well though, if it were warm.
so, this isn't a restoration per se... it is just a very complicated, difficult and time consuming clean up. Hmmmmm or You could have purchased a can of degreaser... ... brushed and sprayed it on all the parts, ... then take everything to a better quality self serve car wash, ... and give it a good blast with the pressure wand... would have been all cleaned and ready for re-assembly in a couple hours. Might have been able to do it at the car wash without even disassembling it. you sure like making things difficult for yourself. Be well, Anon
Anon Ymousmie I wouldn't consider a full tear-down a waste of time or difficult. Doing it this way familiarizes me with every last part of this machine. And... if I added up all the time, it wouldn't net out to more than one weekend. When you you look at what's involved, it would only take a few hours to disassemble, soak the nuts/bolts (overnight) while simultaneously hand-washing the bigger parts. The next day is re-assembly. FILMING is the real thing that slows the process down, LOL Thanks for watching Anon ;)
Yeah, I get it. It is nice whenever one gets anything used to be able to take the time to see just what you are starting with. I definitely get it. I collect cars - one particular model and I pretty much change out most of the "wear" parts on each one when I get it - or get to it is more accurate. Sometimes I try to be helpful, Sometimes I criticize This time I was mostly just being a Wise Ass although I am a big fan of leaving the bulk of my cleaning residue at the car wash. Keep up the good work, Anon
I really don't like the camera angle you use now This is the first time I don't like a video of you ! I like the content and your work but man change the settings
Chris van der oest Chris - this was quick and dirty (quite literally) footage that I captured. The GoPro's angle was too wide though and I've changed that to a more narrow field of view. I'm still experimenting with the Gopro and how to best use it. My main camera (Canon Vixia) is really nice and does good in low light. But yeah, I agree it wasn't the most pleasant to watch.
Hi Brad !
That noise ... the motor could be one with brushes and they make that kind of noise - just an idea !
Oh, the ways looks very nice with the lapping !
Tooth brushes, yeah, they are very useable ... but they are hard to get clean again, so I often use my wife's, then it's her problem ! ;-))
TOP CLASS job you did there ... so fare at least !
Keld Sørensen Spindle is all good now. The motor is fine too. I think the noise was the pre-load on the bearings.
Awesome job of the tear down and cleaning Brad!
Abom79 Thanks Adam. Now you gotta get one ;)
I just bought a 1963 Parker Majestic 6x18 SG so I'm researching all the SG resto vids. Well done Brad! Subbed :)
those ways look pristine and very pretty, nice machine.
sharp x Thank you!!
Brad,
That's quite an undertaking with the cleaning and repair. It feels great when the machine is put back together, you fire it up and it runs perfectly! Thanks for the video. Good luck with putting everything back together.
Have a good one!
Dave
Swarf Rat Thanks Dave. In all honesty, now that I'm seeing what's involved, it would only take a few hours to disassemble, soak the nuts/bolts (overnight) and simultaneously begin to hand-wash the bigger parts. The next day is re-assembly. I hope this video will help people undertaking the process ;)
Your inspiring me to start working on my grinder. I wish I could start on it right now, but I'm moving my shop out of storage and into a new space in the next few weeks. I can't wait!!!! ;-)
Dale d
***** Thanks Dale. There are more parts on the way. Part three is set to be releases in a few days and filming the final 2 parts will be over the next few days. . In all honesty, now that I'm seeing what's involved, it would only take a few hours to disassemble, soak the nuts/bolts (overnight) and simultaneously begin to hand-wash the bigger parts. The next day is re-assembly. I hope this video will help people undertaking the process ;) Appreciate the comments and viewership Dale. Now go into your shop and build something cool ;)
Been trying to figure out how to get my 612 out of my folks' basement! I was debating whether it was OK to remove the column and motor to ease moving it. Thank you for giving me some hope for moving this beast!
That cleaned up so well. Great job......
jster1963 Thanks Journeyman ;) It's coming along pretty nice.
Nice video. I purchased one of these myself this summer and will be tearing it down. Your video here will be very handy in the process. Love your vids man!!!
Hi!
Stefan Gottswinter sent me over.
Cool channel!
I recommend safety goggles for cleaning. One little splash of chemicals, or grinding dust and you're crying. Literally!
Peace!
Chris
Christopher Beasley Hi Chris. Not sure but was I without them? I do always wear them when using Purple Power because I know what it does to skin, and can imagine what it does to eyes. Thanks so much for coming over to my channel to check it out. Hope you enjoy ;)
Good job Brad, looking forward to viewing the progress. I also find it enjoyable taking machines apart and cleaning them. As you have said "getting to know your machine. Taking Chinese stuff apart and making sure all parts are what should have been. Their quality control is something on the low end. Guess that's why they are cheaper. Like your videos, keep up the good work and they are very informative. Thanks again.
+Terry LaRotonda Thanks Terry!
I just bought one of these the other night, but won't pick it up for a week or two. It looked pretty decent in the guys shop, but like yours, there's plenty of paint to uncover!
Jack Hoying Good luck with it. I'll be replacing the bearings soon and will shoot video footage of that too.
BasementShopGuy I picked mine up last night. It's a Boyer Scultz Challenger H618. Definitely needs some cleanup, but mechanically it's in good shape. Now I just need to find room in my shop for it!
Nice job it's looking good thank you nice video
pancho villa Thanks Pancho.
I wonder if the spindle had gotten so noisy that whoever was operating it was trying to muffle the noise with the insulation. It is gonna be a handy machine to have around. I really enjoy the work you and Haligan142 do. Makes me want to take on a South Bend rebuild, amazing the abuse and age those machines have survived.
Jason Polensky Thanks Jay! Go for it - rebuilding the South Bends is a lot of fun and is very rewarding. The best part is uncovering the beautiful machine that lies under the dirt and rust.
Looking for the right one to come up on Craigslist. I think I want to go for the heavy 10. I may go for a Logan, but I am wondering which one will show up close enough first.
Hi mate.
Good to see you doing the job in a video. When I do the degreasing, I often use those little kitchen sponges that are green on one side, like a scouring pad, and soft on the other side. I also use stainless steel wool, it makes caked on stuff much easier to remove (not the fine stuff). The degreaser, can you just dry it off, or do you need to rinse it with water first? Often I just use the high pressure hose to wash of parts, but than, it dries very fast here in West Australia. the small parts I just put in a basket, and blast the crap out of it. Just a thought ;)
Kind regards,
Marcel.
Love your videos what do you use to clean your parts? And remove rust?
Nice video Brad....was just wondering if you were particularly looking for the Boyer machine and model, or if that is just what came along. Are you thinking of using it for surface grinding, or in combination as a tool grinder? I picked up a KO Lee 6062 tool grinder a few months back, more because it just happened to pop up close,and was well equipped at a good price. I haven't done anything with it yet, but "dirty" and "grinder" go hand in hand!....I'll be interested in seeing how you handle the dirt!
Jim Liechty Haha - thanks Jim. I kind of stumbled onto this machine and learned about it after I bought it. I (did) go ahead with the purchase on the recommendations from a few people and one-night's worth of reading on forums. Glad you like the vids and appreciate the viewrship!
Great tear down Brad, i was wondering what kind of scraping tools you use? and were do you buy them or where i can order them from? thanks man great vids
Radigundo Custorio Scraping? I do zero scraping on anything. I do hope to learn one day though ;)
How did you get that beast into your basement? I have successfully gotten mine off the bed of my pickup - used a chain fall and a tree with a big branch. Now its sitting next to my concrete driveway. My next step will be to use a engine hoist to lift off the top assembly - I've got the table off, but now have to figure out how to remove the cross slide. My ultimate plan is to strip it down to bare metal, prime it with two-part epoxy and finish off with a two-part, single stage automotive paint. But, this dam thing is HEAVY! Any suggestions regarding moving it around would be greatly appreciated!
Nice nice job, I'm about to attack a KO Lee. Wanted to ask you for the paint color you used on the lathe- its a great color.
Nice job on the grinder so far Brad, can't wait to see it making some sparks. I've always been afraid of using chemical cleaners, made the mistake of using simple green to clean some parts and darn if it didn't start removing the paint. I assume PP doesn't do that since it appears the paint is still in tact on your parts cleaned thus far. I think I'm going to give it a try on some of my tools I'm about to pull apart and clean. Thanks for the video, I'm enjoying it.
***** One thing about PP is that it can ruin paint - thin paint. Now, a Brideport (and this grinder's) paint jobs are super-thick and tough. The PP won't affect the paint. Old South Bend parts, yup - paint will be ruined. So it all depends. So glad you guys are enjoying the vids!
Brad
Pity U did not take shots of the tear down. That would've been most informative and greatly appreciated. U Guys really know Your machines. Just got our 1969 German Blohm Simplex recently. Massive in comparison, but in fair nick. Your restorations are something else !!!
aRM
Brad
Have watched you rebuild several machines now, where on earth do you find them I am in Va and have a serious hard time trying to find used machines that aren't outta site expensive. Thanks for sharing your awesome work!
All my machines are found in either NJ or PA. I've noticed that OH has a TON as well. Good luck!
Hi, Brad. One of those is about to follow me home. Boyar-Schultz H612. What I am wondering is whether those pegs sticking out from the main casting at the back are meant as fork lift lifting points? The manual found on Keith Ruckers site says only "lift by means of the studs located on either side of the machine bed and the crossfeed handwheel housing." Are those studs the sames the pegs and does the machine balance well on them?
Yep bot just grab points in general. Good luck with her!
I spent over $300 getting new spindle bearing on my harig. abec7 7204CYP4 and 7205CYP4. Don't bother spending the extra hundred on duplex bearings unless they are directly facing one another or with equivalent spacers. Standard angular contact bearings are mad to the same quality only that the inner race may be reseed or pertruding slightly when preloaded.
Alexander McGilton Alex - I'm leaving the bearings as they are. A Little research showed that the spindle is all normal and AOK. If though, it presents problems while in service, I'll then look into replacing them. Thanks for the commnets and info, appreciate that ;)
BasementShopGuy I got my grinder up and running in January of 2013, with the 40 year old bearings. In the weeks following I started the tool making section of my technical training and became envies of how quiet and smooth running the college's machines were. During spring break I got equivalent Natchi bearings ($150 less than harig) and it made a world of difference . It achieves sparkout reliably , I don't need ear protection, satin finish on rough cuts, and especially no chatter when side wheel grinding.
Hay Brad
Love the work buddy, but how the Feck!! Do ya no where all the bits go!! I no you stripped it, so ya should no, kind of, you must have a good memory, ones round the goldfish bowl for me, and I'm lost! Lol
Mark Williamson Hahaha - it was easy. The best way to burn-in how something works is to take it apart. It was only a few days later so it was easy to remember. Not a lot of parts...
Those I-beams that hold up your floor would make great camera mount rails ???
Mack McCurry The tripod and flex-stand is proving pretty effective now. I do have a camera mount (for overhead shots) that I made. Video of that coming soon.
Can you share where are you found the Bellows? And maybe even the size that you ordered if you remember? I’m just starting to work on the same grinder.
McMaster. Don't remember the size though.
You should try Mean Green cleaner some time I think it works great.Not sure how good it will be on heavy grease.
Mack McCurry I'm AOK with PP for now. Maybe int he future I may experiment, but my beloved PP has a proven track record for my needs.
You should try one of those small hand held steamers ?
Mack McCurry Nothing beats soaking and/or hand cleaning greasy parts. I'm in no time-rush. Steaming wouldn't get all the dirt from the tiny cracks and crevices.
Is a pressure washer of any use for cleaning this kind of stuff?
DSCKy It might be, but for me it's really easy to soak parts, nuts, bolts overnight in a concentrated bath. Taking them out and letting them dry is just as easy. The P-Power really cuts most of the grease totally off, so parts come out pretty clean. There are times (like in this video) that you gotta hand wash something, but it's no sweat. Especially in the freezing winter. The pressure washer might have done real well though, if it were warm.
Look for a heavy plastic cement mixing pan. I had one I used to clean parts in. It was about 36inX 24in.
Mack McCurry I just buy bins that are approximate size for the job. Clean them up and reuse them for storage. Win Win
You know I thank you just love to tear things apart. LOL
Mack McCurry I think you're part right, lol
Where did you order the part from?
What part? The LoveJoy coupling was from Amazon and the dust bellows were from McMaster. I don't remember the part# tho.
Hello, where did you get the bellows for Y axis made? Phone number? Mcmaster Carr has them but they are 100 each... thanks in advance
Can your wife get you to clean the house like that ?
time for a pressure washer.
Jay McNaughton Maybe on the next machine Jay ;)
so, this isn't a restoration per se...
it is just a very complicated, difficult and time consuming clean up.
Hmmmmm
or
You could have purchased a can of degreaser...
... brushed and sprayed it on all the parts,
... then take everything to a better quality self serve car wash,
... and give it a good blast with the pressure wand...
would have been all cleaned and ready for re-assembly in a couple hours.
Might have been able to do it at the car wash without even disassembling it.
you sure like making things difficult for yourself.
Be well,
Anon
Anon Ymousmie I wouldn't consider a full tear-down a waste of time or difficult. Doing it this way familiarizes me with every last part of this machine. And... if I added up all the time, it wouldn't net out to more than one weekend. When you you look at what's involved, it would only take a few hours to disassemble, soak the nuts/bolts (overnight) while simultaneously hand-washing the bigger parts. The next day is re-assembly. FILMING is the real thing that slows the process down, LOL
Thanks for watching Anon ;)
Yeah, I get it.
It is nice whenever one gets anything used to be able to take the time to see just what you are starting with. I definitely get it.
I collect cars - one particular model and I pretty much change out most of the "wear" parts on each one when I get it - or get to it is more accurate.
Sometimes I try to be helpful,
Sometimes I criticize
This time I was mostly just being a
Wise Ass although I am a big fan of leaving
the bulk of my cleaning residue at the car wash.
Keep up the good work,
Anon
I really don't like the camera angle you use now This is the first time I don't like a video of you ! I like the content and your work but man change the settings
Chris van der oest Chris - this was quick and dirty (quite literally) footage that I captured. The GoPro's angle was too wide though and I've changed that to a more narrow field of view. I'm still experimenting with the Gopro and how to best use it. My main camera (Canon Vixia) is really nice and does good in low light. But yeah, I agree it wasn't the most pleasant to watch.
BasementShopGuy your next video is mutch better Really nice grinder by the way