I just don't like uusing a 3rd party app. i like it in the game or in the driver and am willing to take a slightly less good experience in a technical preview., AFDMF 1 got loads better by the launch of the full release. so I am sure this will flounce LSFG by then maybe.
@user-lo4co8qm1l agreed!!! I am playing fsr cry 6 on my rog ally with 1600x900 medium high settings with 40 fps lock and lossless scaling lsfg 2.2.1 with X2 mode and it's buttery fluid.
I would like to add, that most of TH-camrs test it on fast paced, GPU heavy games (like cyberpunk here). Reasons are obvious and theres nothing wrong with that. But this tech does really wonders in CPU heavy, slow paced games that do not have any interpolation tech built in or the ones locked at 60fps - strategy, slow RPG, city builders. I really love it in Company of Heroes, first Cities Skylines, some smaller indie city builders. Games that will drop to below 60 once they have to compute thousands or millions of units. AFMF shines in those cases, as there is no fast movement to create visible artifacts and UI usually stays the same, so it's easy for algorithm to interpolate new frame. And the bonus fluidity makes my eyes to be not as tired as before. For FPS? Yeah, it's not great. But for games where you cannot enforce more than 60fps or you know it will drop once gameplay will progress? It's no brainier.
@@chriswright8074 Cus raster performance has already started hitting the ceiling. Gpu developers just can't go infinitely improving it, one day we'll hit the limit until some smart guy discover a completely new technology, that will allow us to improve it further more. If gpu devs were still only investing in raster performance, consumer grade gaming gpus would cost 2000-10000 dollars if not more, just cus they'd have to invest trillions of dollars in researching new technologies for the improvement of raster performance. And i don't think that you want that.
I gave it a go on my 7900 XTX (+15%) with WoW and 5120x1440 G9 at 240hz. I found that I got the best result by frame capping inside WoW to 119 fps, and having AFMF2 double the framerate. It actually felt a lot smoother than using it uncapped, and reduced frame spiking dramatically, while also using less power. It's quite incredible actually! I would say for Blizzard games on a 180+hz monitor this makes a 6000+ AMD GPU superior to a RTX 4090, lol.
I wish more people realized you can use multiple gpu’s in both LSFG and AFMF2 to offload the work of generating frames from the main gpu. (I’ve tested this with CPU’s that have integrated GPUs). It will also work with 2 dedicated gpus’s. The one doing frame generation needs to be connected to the monitor displaying the game while the one rendering the whole game (the fastest gpu) can just sit there without any monitors hooked into it (or just the secondary monitors).
@@MrJflomario Lossless Scaling on Steam lets you choose which GPU doing the frame generation. Even iGPU though the results from iGPU is not very impressive.
holy crap, THIS is actually very usable. tried this in different games and it works really good! if they manage to fix the ui elements and bring down the latency a little bit more, this is perfect and beats out any offering that nvidia has to offer in that derpartment.
Freaking good content. Wonder why ive never bumped into your channel but definitely subbed. Side note, LSFG is just so much better and works on all GPUs. Been using it on my handhelds when im away from my main rig and its godsent.
@@Horseyh What brand of potato are you running in your system? I've used Losses Scaling on my RX 6700 XT, RX 6600 XT, RX 5700 XT, GTX 1070, RTX 3060, RTX 2070 Super, and even my GTX 1060 6GB
What i like about lossless scaling, is that it works for yt videos. You can interpolate frames of 30 fps videos to 60 or 60 fps to 120 if you have high refresh rate monitor and it looks legit better. Combine that with nvidia hdr and nvidia super scaling and you can basically watch high bitrate, high resolution, 120 fps, hdr videos on yt. Now it won't work with low end gpus, cus their tensor cores are too weak, but with something like rtx 3080 or rtx 4070 it just works. What a time to be alive.
Upgrading from a 75hz monitor to a 180hz monitor coupled with AFMF2 has been a game changer for me. I enable this on all games now and am enjoying serious high frame rates with great quality.
AMD is gaining ground on Nvidias frame generation tech with AFMF2 and FSR3.1 continually improving 😇💪🥳👍. As an Nvidia GPU user, I’m happy to see AMD keep pushing forward and offering something decent for its GPU users and ensuring Nvidia is kept on its toes and ultimately it’s gamers who benefit 🥰🥳💪👍
@@Yes-sw8gh its a good thing you can buy flagships then. to me this looks useful by halving wattage, or bypassing limits where the engine speed is tied to fps like nier automata, the crew 2, assassins creed 4 etc.
Need to correct you here 7:07 LSFG works on DX9/10/11/12 and Vulkan and OpenGL. Wouldn't be surprised if it works on DX8 games or earlier too in windowed mode. It works on this video even, it works on your media player, it works in HDR it's insane.
Another correction is at 2:53, AFMF1 worked in OpenGL and Vulkan games in preview drivers, then they disabled it later, but you could still enable it adding "GFGEnableApi" registry key. And it also worked in DX9 and10 games through DXVK or dgVoodoo and other software like that. AFMF1 also worked in media players (I tested it) and is compatible with HDR.
AFMF1 really does help certain games, like 7 days to die, to lower the hotspot temps on rx6000 (and 5000) while allowing max settings. I was hitting thermal throttling at 95c at 1440p mostly high settings, but just leveraging AFMF1 and anti-lag, doubled the FPS (80 ==> 160-ish) and allows ultra quality at ~70c - lossless scaling did not help with 7Days :)
I think AFMF2 is quite an improvement compared to AFMF, I have faith that it will be better in the final version (keep in mind this is preview drivers) but at the same time I'm pretty sure it won't be insanely good since it's still just software fg. I'm currently using AFMF2 on a few games, FH5 is not bad, sometimes there are some minor artifacts but nothing you would really notice if not looking for it. Euro Truck Simulator 2 and Microsoft Flight Sim 2020 are fanstastic with AFM2, on ETS2 I just lock FPS to 120 and let AFMF2 make me reach 165, on MFS2020 I can pull a little over 70 so I just lock to 60 FPS and enjoy the extra smoothness of fg. The main issue is developers not implementing it in games, cause with proper vectorial data and UI info you would have way better image quality and no issues with UI as it wouldn't pass it on fg.
I have experience with AFMF 1, AFMF 2 and LSFG and the short answer is AFMF 1 is not that great, AFMF 2 better performance, LSFG better quality. The long answer is that the last game I played was Senua's Saga Hellblade 2 and LSFG was not realizing that the game is running and always wanted to frame gen the desktop(same thing happened when I played Throne and Liberty). So I installed the preview driver and AFMF 2 is amazing. They reduced the latency by a lot and the game just feels really good to play. Way smoother than before and even better than LSFG. My eyes cant really slow down to 25% so I cant see the better image quality with LSFG, but I can see it on youtube. I can definitely recommend LSFG, but sometimes it does not work for me sadly, but when it does it is also amazing. I will just use AFMF 2 in almost every single game now, because it makes the game better or makes my graphics card consume way less power by reaching the max FPS (in The Riftbreaker from 350-400W to 160-250W with the same 160FPS).
As an AMD-card user, take comfort in the fact that games using FSR 3.1 will indeed look better with AMD’s solution enabled than before.But DLSS 3 remain a strong ... provides a significant FPS boost so i geuss u guys got your answers :P
Why is no one trying the dual GPU feature AMD told in the release note? Im really curious if an iGPU will handle the framegeneration while the main GPU only renders the game with no performance penaulty, i have the 5700X3D so i can't test it
I have tested it with a 7900 X3D that has an iGPU, and it works, although it performs poorly in games that have ray tracing. I suppose it would work perfectly with more powerful dedicated graphics cards.
@@NEWMOVIESAIbut the poor performance is because of Ray tracing or because of the igpu low power? Also you had to change the display port cable to the motherboard plug or in software you set the igpu as display?
I have a cool idea they should try. scalable and/or scaling FG. That tearing looking artifacts look like instability on the FG part. There's just too much to do at once at the target performance point. If it could detect when it starts becoming unstable to also scale back how much frames it needs to generate on those scenes, it could potentially correct itself and look very close to native at high frames. Whole point of FG isn't to double framerate, its to improve smoothness. when you have assets having to catch up to the scene, that can look worse than low frames. Also dancing assets really breaks immersion and makes precise actions or attacks really hard to do. Just a though
oh yeah it works on the 6000 series, hell yeah, cannot wait to try this on star wars, I was having a ton of issues with FPS drop off, even with my 6950XT
I really am suprised with AFMF2, watched another vid where the latency was measured with a device and looked like with it enable only increased input delay by 5-10ms. I am totally ok with this tbh as I already use anti-lag or cap frames with chill to get a lower input delay in games (measured with present mon installed + "application latency" with CapframeX). Without anti-lag or chill sometimes application latency in games is double avg frametimes. So with Chill say at 80-118 fps (240hz monitor) + AFMF2 high (6-8ms frame gen lag, AMD Overlay) I can get double the frames while having less overall input delay than just booting the game and running stock settings. testing with 7500f/5800x3d + 7800xt pure
What were your display settings - what settings using lossless FG . if your doing comparatives give us the information so we can also test. You need to test performance mode on an igpu - like you told us in the the 2nd part. Also cprojectred do need to add fsr3 with frame gen to Cyberpunk, its getting to beyond a joke. Nvidia must be blocking it. We were told in December by cdprojectred we would have it. Just seems that every tech product that AMD release gets tested on cyberpunk when they have hardly done anything to support amd cards .
Lossless scaling has a multi GPU configuration option try and let the Integrated GPU of AMD handle the frame generation part while letting your main Graphics Card handle the game instead so you don't lose performance! (And bye the way AMD already took that idea considering they have a hybrid mode! I don't know if you have read it)
"I have tested it with a 7900 X3D that has an iGPU, and it works, although it performs poorly in games that have ray tracing. I suppose it would work perfectly with more powerful dedicated graphics cards.
I only like Lossless Scaling for Elden Ring, since it's hard capped at 60 FPS. AFMF2 runs like a dream compared to the first version. It's also super stable for alt-tabbing now, and I didn't have it crash once. You get the hitch as it turns on and off (unsurprising), but no other problems. According to Adrenalin, AFMF2 was only adding 4-5 ms latency while active, and really didn't push GPU usage, so it's really nice for situations where you're trying to lower power draw/heat.
Whoever has a screen with a refresh rate of 144, you must set frames like this at 36, 48, or 72 FPS. You will get a smooth performance as if you were playing at a constant 120 FPS.
AFMF doesn’t work for me. I tried it on hogwarts legacy but it doesn’t feel like i’m getting 150-170fps as it says on the amd overlay. I also tried turning off anti lag, and there still was no difference.
I'm turning off upscaling in the game, horizon forbidden west atm, and using the two readeon chill settings at '(monitor refresh / 2) - 1', in my case 71 as monitor refresh is 144, 4k 3840 * 2160, 32 inch monitor, 7900xt, 7800x3g, absolutely smooth as silk, afterburner reports 71 fps, adrenaline overlay 142 and does not change. Same in CS2. .... and no one mentions using these settings (fixed fps), your gpu power drops, temp drops, fans slow and quieter. 9.75/10 weel played AMD.
I switched from an rtx 3070 to amd 7800xt honestly i do not regret it. Amd keeps getting better i have tried afmf2 and it is awesome! Playing assassins creed mirage was getting 220-240fps uncapped framerates with hyper rx. capping frame at 70fps max settings with hyper rx and fsr2 set to native not quality with 1080p upscaled to 1440p and i am getting 140fps does deffo feel smoother. Honestly image quality is like 1440p native i compared several screenshots. Only consuming between 120-150 watts of power! And i am getting 140fps with like native 1440p image quality. If i bump it up to native 1440p it consumes 160-180 watts of power. Cannot tell the difference in image quality between upscaled 1080p resolution and native 1440p. Afmf2 is a brilliant feature!
Lossless scaling bigeest problem is sometimes it makes the screen blurry and artifacting and the latency feels to high in that app, they really need fix those problems maybe than makes the app more perfect.
you did fail top mention that according to amd, you could run afmf2 off a desktop apu with your discrete gpu running 100%, i dont think it will as high results but the ability to use both the apu and dgpu at once to get the max possible framerate is very entincing on top of working in windowless fullscreen, i think ill take the slight image quality reductions compared to lossless scaling for these features.
Will AFMF 2 also come to nvidia cards or will this just stay a amd card only software ? Also if u use afmf 2 with your amd card, could u use the FG in the game aswell if it has that ? so making 40 fps into 70 and those then into 140 ? Fsr 3 = 40 fps Fsr 3 + fg = 70 fps Fsr 3 + fg + afmf 2 = 140 fps ???
In my opinion, AFMF (2) is still not really usable. It just doesnt feel like "double the fps" but more like the artifact mess you can see in this video. Lossless Scaling just does ist so much better. It feels fluend and is just looking good.
I have a humble 6500XT (enough for what I do) and I have also Lossless Scaling which I bought to try with my previous GPU (which is old AF, that's why I wanted more frames)... And while I don't do side by side comparisons like you do here, what I like about AFMF is the ease of use. I haven't been bothered by artifacts at least in the games I play - which did happen to me in NieR: Automata with LS, it artifacts A LOT there while running, on the legs and anything that's moving fast, and I don't mean details, I mean absolute deformation of 2B's legs, constantly, then again this could be because the old GPU wasn't that capable) - However, when you're "in the zone" and with a budget GPU, more frames usually do feel better and having to open third party software on top of capping either with RTSS or Radeon Chill is more work. I haven't really tried AFMF2 yet, but AFMF works well enough for me with a lot less fiddling than I have to do with LS. Alt+R, turn on, check if I like it. If I don't, Alt+R, turn off, keep playing. I did watch your LS video when I bought LS... If you want to just play and feel a smoother experience (I'm on an overclocked to 75hz old 1080p panel), AFMF is a lot faster to use and, so far, it hasn't disturbed me at all. I have yet to try LS on a crappy laptop I have to run older or less demanding indie games to see how it does.
I'm most curious tho about the fact that you can use a secondary gpu or apu dedicated to frame generation on AFMF 2. If this feature was implemented into LSFG that would mitigate if not nullify the high cost of frame generation so for exemple when upgrading you keep your old gpu and use it or buy an old one with a discount to relieve load on the rendering GPU For AMD seems like the main way forward is to include machine learning as well as AI like Nvidia to improve image quality on upscale and generation.
@@chbaniyoussef7202 I have a 12700k iGPU is 770, when I chose it as an FG rendering GPU I'm getting 11 FPS only. So I'm getting in the FPS counter 48/11 FPS, where the first is the FPS of the 3090 and the second is the FPS of the iGPU 770. So basically it's not working. I even tried it with 2x and performance
@@oMeGa0122 LSFG is taxing on the GPU and most iGPUs can't handle it, as of rn I only ever managed to make it work on some new Ryzen iGPUs at 1080p, when I wrote the reply it was in the context of a PC where you have two graphics cards since most iGPUs are too slow or too weak
I always use super resolution (an upscaler on AMD cards. In game resolution is 900p then upscale it to1080p) then pair it with AFMF if the game supports it. Then cap the fps to 60 via Riva tuner since the AFMF 1 doesnt support chill. It's good news for me that the AFMF 2 supports chill because i prefer it than Rivatuner. Edit: I have a Rx6600 gpu. I accidentally discovered AFMF 1 when playing stalker gamma.
@@pravnav the lag is decent. Not the best, but good enough to where I choose the frame smoothness in HD2 over latency playing with only native frames. I'm playing in 1440p upscaled from 1080p. The latency makes it mandatory to use AMD antilag. Without Antilag enabled, it's atrocious.
Just used this in 7 days to die which is by far the worst optimized game ive ever played an its made a world of a difference actually crazy how good it is ty vex
is lsfg's input latency worse than afmf2? i really want to play cyberpunk with 120fps but that means i need to update to 24.7.1 (people say its very buggy). is staying in 23.11.1 and buy lsfg a good idea? my only concern is latency. i dont mind small image quality problem.
LSFG is so good... i'm playing cyberpunk 2077 @ 720p/36fps with LS scaling +FGx3 on my old 980 ti + ryzen7 1700 and i just can't believe how good it looks on a 1440p 144hz display and the gpu doesn't even get that hot.
I don't know if it is a Vulkan thing but I use the X-Plane 12 Flight simulator and the frame generation is perfect, without any artefact and double the FPS. Wizardry !! I have also a RTX4090 but now I use the RX7900XTX all the time.
I remember when I thought lossless scaling was going to become useless when RSR dropped. Oh boy was I wrong. I have probably put 250 hours into lossless scaling since they introduced frame gen. I literally refuse to play Elden ring without it and use it on literally any game I can't maintain over 80 fps for. I like thinking of it as a substantially higher quality version of motion blur.
Having a cheap high-refresh rate 1440p monitor at the cost of it being a VA panel, i barely (if at all) noticed the problems with AFMF 1. It's like my brain filters it out or something lol
@@beirchI assume he says this because of black smearing and flickering in games with high contrast. Which at the end of the day looks more or less like the fmf1 artifacts.
@@beirch Absolutely, if you're more into PVP. But i'm more into Stories, cinematic games, etc. It did annoy me a little when switching from 1080P IPS to 1440P VA (Ghosting, etc.) So, at least from my POV, it's "at the cost of it". Other than that i agree with you
What is the best amd motherboard out there possible? For Intel chips, the best possible mobo is the Asus Apex as it is one of 3 motherboards that can run 8000-8200 mhz ram stable, no crashes
LSFGS doesn't work in Linux right so no steam deck support nor in bazzite in the legion go and rog ally which would benefit from it the most. AMD stuff eventually makes it on there or can be side loaded right so wider compatibility
LSFG is op because you can use a dedicated gpu just for it and it has 0 performance loss. I got a new 3070 and still have my rx 570 plugged into my pc, and running the game on the 3070 allows me to use the 570 for lsfg, which is about a 10-20% performance boost for the cost of 30 watts of usage on my second gpu
@@lockkeylive afmf limited to amd cards because it's a driver level feature. Idk about Nvidia + AMD APU. Safe to assume doesn't work for that. AMD only advertised it for Hybrid graphics(AMD APU + 6000/7000 series GPU)
Did you say you couldn't feel hardly any difference in latency between AFMF 1 and AFMF 2? Wow that is the first thing I noticed when i used it in fallout London the 2nd thing was it no longer seemed to hardly cut out and 3rd was it looks way better. vids on my channle actually like 170 to 200 fps in Fallout London. it's epic. Only game i used it in so far but cannot wait and especuially cannot wait for it to work it's way on to my ROG Ally. Because the less latency will really help it on that thing.
I have had this on and didnt know about capping my fps. So I'll l be doing that after watching this. I also got a 5k monitor and might try it on that for the kicks.
I tried AFMF2 on my games, and although the frames are here, the tearing is fairly distracting. And head movement (in shooters) doesn't feel smooth, as if the generated frame wasn't properly spaced between the "real" frames
Lossles scaling has a plethora of problems that ive been struggling with. At this ooint my main rig cant use it because it keeps interpolating the wrong thing. Either some windows overlay stuff or something idk. It'll just say oh you have 330fps when I capped the game un game to 70fps The game also doesn't even get interpolated so is an obvious 70fps. My laptop doesnt have this issue but it on windows 11. Also he is wrong in saying they do this the same way. They dont. Lsfg replaces whatever is on screen with a new window and dont work on full screen games. And will also cause problems with some anticheats if you're not careful. While amd is doing everything on the gpu right before sending it to your monitor. No new window or overlay shenanigans. I love both tech and just wish I could solve the problem with lsfg but at this point afmf2 is my only option and god its good conpared to native 70fps.
Yh I think some of these techtubers are blind sided with lossless being a small team, so they get more sympathy/ hype. In this video both lossless and afmf2 are performing the same visually in overwatch, with afmf2 being more responsive. The visuals really is dependant on the scene in a game, one will perform better than the other. In Witcher 3 Geralt head keeps disappearing/flickering crazy using lossless. Ghost of Tsushima lossless has more Visual issues than afmf2. Overall afmf2 gives me the better experience. Too much compromise is needed to use lossless fg.
Its stupid this is for only 6000 and 7000 but not 5000 which is only just became 5yrs old so its still fine but needs a little boost I don't get how PC Manufacturers get away of stopping support after a few years when Consoles try to make sure you're gonna be able to run games one way or another till the next generation My PC is one year older than Series X & PS5 so it's not in need of a upgrade till at least GTA 6 PC, actually not in need, in want
24:29 it actually can work very good with 40 fps and that's what i tested and what developer say about lsfg , it is not like regular fg which is very bad if you do it at this lvl of fps
what I've learned is that us old gamers have lived through truly terrible gaming experiences and thought they were great at the time. Now, we are much more forgiving, in general, due to poor eyesight and tolerance, honed by decades of poor but improving graphics...
After 2.0 version LS restart my PC no matter what, this ONLY occurs if I use LS and NEVER happen in any other computer task scenarios , so I was forced to leave/delete it and just using afmf and I’m happy with that
ngl all these and i jsut wanted more games w/ FSR 1.0 or FSR 2.0 to offer "ultra quality" had that in Dyinglight 2 oh man minimal image loss and the sharpness smooth out the blemishes
*one MAJOR thing people need to know...* FRAME GEN takes GPU processing power away from rendering. If you go from 60FPS to 80FPS then what you SEE appears smoother but you are now getting 40FPS of "true" frames and the additional lag that goes along with that and from Frame Gen. Even assuming there were NO VISUAL ARTIFACTS, the lag is still a problem particularly at a low FPS... And WEAKER GPU's, the ones that need it most, benefit less. Why? Because Frame Gen is a sunk cost. A GPU that's 2x as fast can spend less of its processing budget on Frame Gen and therefore MORE on the generation of the initial frames. So a GPU that's 2x as powerful might get, say, "180FPS" after frame Gen but the weaker GPU might only get "70FPS" (generated from 35FPS). So the weaker GPU might have gotten 50FPS without frame gen and the stronger GPU around 100FPS... the stronger GPU ends up with minimal LAG and very smooth visuals. The weaker GPU ends up with acceptable visuals but UNACCEPTABLE lag with FG (and that's aside from the other issues). *What do I do? Rule of thumb: don't use FG if the end result is less than 100FPS. This will vary a lot depending on the game and how well this is implemented.
Bruh I tried AFMF 2 in throne and liberty on korea and this thing loves MMOs with 1000s of players. Input lag is only 6ms. I think unreal 4 loves this AFMF 2
What GPU you running? A Polaris or Nvidia card? I bought Lossless Scaling back for my RX480 8GB. It was nice, especially in certain games. Now with RDNA2 (6700XT), AFMF2 is mind blowing. Works in sync of FreeSync Premium, at least, perfectly. Works under movement as far as I can tell, but I was using a controller. I was using it in God of War. I was able to take advantage of the 144hz @ all Ultra and the one Ultra + @ 1440p. NO blurring. It's the absolute picture perfect example of AFMF 2 for AMD. God of War. It'd be PERFECT for a 6600 or something, but still great for my 6700XT as I start off at 100-105fps, but later in the game, I'm at 75fps-ish. AFMF2 throws me right up to my max refresh rate, works with my FreeSync Premium (which I don't believe original AFMF did), and it feels smooth looking around. I am using a controller in this game, though. I just got an idea. I quit playing Kingdom Come Deliverance because of performance. 5900x + 6700XT 12gb @ 1440 max/ultra was just terrible. No, I like max settings and lowering isn't an option lol. When FSR2 becomes tweaked in more and released on WHQL drivers. These beta drivers are crashing BF2042, plus AFMF2 doesn't work in it. So, even with it disabled, I crash every 2-3 maps . I digress. I'm back on the WHQL (non-beta) drivers for now until they fix the BF2042 isse. But I may download it again just to try Kingdome Come Deliverance ADN Control lol.
@@JustAGuy85 it seems to me you are very much old guy into it. Im using rtx 2060 which is very old cpu but gives me enough to play games like valorant, Wuwa and New games like resident evil remakes. I think you may not know this but lossless scalings have improved alot as of now, And works better than AFMF 2 majority of cases. You can 3x your fps with it with very less ghosting compare to AFMF 2.
@@SaikatSaha-yk1yq So you aren't losing fps when moving around in Lossless Scaling's frame gen now? Just like AFMF did? And now AFMF2 keeps it smooth during motion. I read the update notes on Lossless Scaling. Yeah I've had it for awhile but my 6700XT 12GB is powerful enough to just run native in games, anyways, and I prefer FSR 2.2+ over LS1. Just depends on the game. Some games look like trash with FSR 2.x. Some games implement it perfectly. Callisto Protocol looks great in Quality or Balanced. RDR2 had issues at the beginning, but it seems to have been sorted out. Yeah, I got LS for $5, now it's $7. I'm "an old guy" into it or whatever. You gotta realize, I just don't use it that much. For comparison, the 6700XT 12GB is a little better than the 2080 Ti. I don't necessarily need it all the time.
@@JustAGuy85 Naah, The current lossless scaling dont loose fps while moving. Ls1 was bad but with lsr2 almost all problems are solved and worth to use. The demrit of AMD Frame Gen is you cant play old games on it or games before 2023 since the developers dont think its worth to add this now in games for few people. LS2 is better compare to AFMF.
@@JustAGuy85 I saw your latest video, bro--tough times. l've already lost both of my grandfathers, and now my grandmothers are the only ones left. I really fear losing them too. I was 13 and 17 when I lost my grandfathers. My mom's father died from a mysterious disease, and before we knew it, he was gone. I was just a silly kid back then, always arguing with him over who got to watch TV first. Before him, I had never lost anyone close to me. My whole mom's side of the family was devastated, and for a year, it was really tough. But with time, I started to forget the pain, though I still miss him sometimes. My dad's father passed away due to obesity. The news came just before an exam night, and it was terrible. Now, I'm starting to realize that the people around me won't stay with me forever. The thought of losing my family someday scares me a lot. I have a little sister, and I fear what will happen to her once we're all gone for good. I'm not ready to lose anyone in my life yet. I dont want to be alone without them.
But that will only work if AMD got off their AS% and got the software on Linux. They have drivers on linux built in but nothing else. You still have to run Spyware to use those features.
It's amazing, BUT these beta drivers wreck BF2042. Sure, that may not affect many people in here, but I can play a map and the next map crashes (driver crash) 98% of the time. Can't wait until they sort that out and have "WHQL" . In the mean time, man oh man, it enhances a LOT of games. I don't NEED it in God of War.. I can run it at 1440p on a 6700XT with all Ultra settings and the one Ultra+ setting for lighting or reflections, I can't remember. I use High and Quality AFMF2. I start out at 95-100fps in that game without AFMF2 and get to parts where I drop to 75fps. AFMF2 ALSO works with your monitor's FreeSync. At least on my FreeSync Premium. My monitor now shows 135hz or 142hz or whatever with AFMF2 whereas the old AFMF did not affect the FreeSync refresh rate for me. And, yeah, the old AFMF "showed" higher fps on the overlay, but you could not feel it. AFMF2? You SEE it. You FEEL it. At least in the games I've tried so far. I'm gonna try it on Callisto Protocol next. See how it feels going from 1440 all max settings 35-40fps to 70-80fps. I wanna see if I can SEE and FEEL it like I can in God of War. And oddly enough, I don't even "need" it in God of War. 80-110fps (depending on area) is plenty fine for that game. But it feels SOOO much smoother with AFMF2 and like I said, my Variable Refresh Rate actually reacts to the doubled fps. I think that's the difference between AFMF2 working and AFMF being pure placebo.
I wish people actually understood what LSFG does before they speak about it with such high praise. It also costs $7 and is a steam product its not offline its not a software i can take anywhere.
Pro hack: if you cross your eyes during the benchmarks you can see the benchmarks in 3D - thank me later 😎- just stare at the middle screen of the 3 and hold your phone atleast about 8-10 inches away
the problem with frame generation isnt that nvidia and amd don’t know how to make frame generation good… it’s that they know they can’t make it too good because it’ll render future gpus completely obsolete. The lossless scaling developer doesn’t care. Why buy a new 5090 when your 3070 can get 150frames and have it FEEL like 150 frames?
AFMF 2 is cool AF, the MFs at AMD did a good job
what does middlefielders got to do at amd?
@@kaimojepaslt well those mf-ing mf's did a good af job at making afmf for amd
@@davidscann this guy gets it 👆
i see what you did there XD
it is. yay 4 AMD
Got called an AMD fan boy by saying that AMD makes good budget gpus even though i have a 2080super
Intel shill
Atari shill detected 👾👾👾
boo fucking hoo, 12 year old
eh, depends on the generation, on this one their budget offering was terrible
Meine shill
LSFG is wizardry at this point, kudos to the developper
lsfg have so much more latency than afmf 2
I just don't like uusing a 3rd party app. i like it in the game or in the driver and am willing to take a slightly less good experience in a technical preview., AFDMF 1 got loads better by the launch of the full release. so I am sure this will flounce LSFG by then maybe.
Lfsg is better and smooth than amd fluid who overhype .. The only problem lfsg cant work on fullscreen mode
@@ahmedmagdy135 What is the numbers?
@user-lo4co8qm1l agreed!!! I am playing fsr cry 6 on my rog ally with 1600x900 medium high settings with 40 fps lock and lossless scaling lsfg 2.2.1 with X2 mode and it's buttery fluid.
I like how every graphics issue in Cyberpunk 2077 looks like an issue with your Kiroshi, not with your PC.
😂😂
AMD Optics gonna be fire bro 🔥 😤
For the science we should test FSR Frame Gen + AMD FMF2 + LossLess Scaling Frame Gen
I would like to add, that most of TH-camrs test it on fast paced, GPU heavy games (like cyberpunk here). Reasons are obvious and theres nothing wrong with that.
But this tech does really wonders in CPU heavy, slow paced games that do not have any interpolation tech built in or the ones locked at 60fps - strategy, slow RPG, city builders.
I really love it in Company of Heroes, first Cities Skylines, some smaller indie city builders. Games that will drop to below 60 once they have to compute thousands or millions of units. AFMF shines in those cases, as there is no fast movement to create visible artifacts and UI usually stays the same, so it's easy for algorithm to interpolate new frame. And the bonus fluidity makes my eyes to be not as tired as before.
For FPS? Yeah, it's not great. But for games where you cannot enforce more than 60fps or you know it will drop once gameplay will progress? It's no brainier.
True
Slow paced RPG and RTS gains a lot with AFMF 2 ingame
@@HuntaKiller91 they should also test emulators, and old games with frame limits.
the cpu heaviest game that i know of currently is dragons dogma 2. so you think this will improve fps.
Id like someone to test this as well@@clintonsmythers4478
Also being able to play Zelda ToTK in 60 fps when emulating on 30 is a godsend
Why dont AMD just work with LSFG dev
Why do you want fake frames
Instead of getting better raster performance
Afmf is fake frames.@@chriswright8074
@@chriswright8074 better raster frames is nice, but getting 120 fake fps on a rx 6600 in cyberpunk at 2k is also nice
@@chriswright8074 Cus raster performance has already started hitting the ceiling. Gpu developers just can't go infinitely improving it, one day we'll hit the limit until some smart guy discover a completely new technology, that will allow us to improve it further more. If gpu devs were still only investing in raster performance, consumer grade gaming gpus would cost 2000-10000 dollars if not more, just cus they'd have to invest trillions of dollars in researching new technologies for the improvement of raster performance. And i don't think that you want that.
I gave it a go on my 7900 XTX (+15%) with WoW and 5120x1440 G9 at 240hz. I found that I got the best result by frame capping inside WoW to 119 fps, and having AFMF2 double the framerate. It actually felt a lot smoother than using it uncapped, and reduced frame spiking dramatically, while also using less power. It's quite incredible actually!
I would say for Blizzard games on a 180+hz monitor this makes a 6000+ AMD GPU superior to a RTX 4090, lol.
Hey i have a amd 7700s and wow crashes after 3 hours of use specially in raids and bgs 😢 should i go back to gtx?
I wish more people realized you can use multiple gpu’s in both LSFG and AFMF2 to offload the work of generating frames from the main gpu. (I’ve tested this with CPU’s that have integrated GPUs).
It will also work with 2 dedicated gpus’s. The one doing frame generation needs to be connected to the monitor displaying the game while the one rendering the whole game (the fastest gpu) can just sit there without any monitors hooked into it (or just the secondary monitors).
What programs does one need to achieve this?
@@MrJflomario Lossless Scaling on Steam lets you choose which GPU doing the frame generation. Even iGPU though the results from iGPU is not very impressive.
@@YoukoZuki Thank you. He said something about two GPU's.
Hold up
We’re going back to dual GPU’s?!?
@@charleskuhns6042 From what I understand SLI is still supported.....
to get ride of tearing you need to cap your FPS blow your refresh rate to make VRR work with AFMF2 60-120= tearing 59=118FPS= no tearing
I really hate that PCs have this problem.
@@fresco_dinero5155 but if you use High refresh Hz +180Hz you don't noticed Tearing yes it is problem on low refresh monitor
High input lag on their way
do i cap Lossless Scaling or thru Rivaturner? Frame Gen had delays used on Tarkov. or im using the wrong hardware w/ a 1070 and an R5 3600?
@@R3TR0J4N Lossless Scaling you don't need this tricks just lock your FPS at half refresh rate for your monitor
holy crap, THIS is actually very usable. tried this in different games and it works really good! if they manage to fix the ui elements and bring down the latency a little bit more, this is perfect and beats out any offering that nvidia has to offer in that derpartment.
Freaking good content. Wonder why ive never bumped into your channel but definitely subbed. Side note, LSFG is just so much better and works on all GPUs. Been using it on my handhelds when im away from my main rig and its godsent.
the legendary duck makes a reappearance
It's not as good as he says, I tried it again and again and it's not that good
@@Horseyh wdym its not good, i tried it on multiple games and i can assure you that it works decently, specially for non amd users.
@@Horseyh You are right. It does not allow downloading frames.
Please...
@@HanSolo__ tf you mean?
@@Horseyh What brand of potato are you running in your system?
I've used Losses Scaling on my RX 6700 XT, RX 6600 XT, RX 5700 XT, GTX 1070, RTX 3060, RTX 2070 Super, and even my GTX 1060 6GB
What i like about lossless scaling, is that it works for yt videos. You can interpolate frames of 30 fps videos to 60 or 60 fps to 120 if you have high refresh rate monitor and it looks legit better. Combine that with nvidia hdr and nvidia super scaling and you can basically watch high bitrate, high resolution, 120 fps, hdr videos on yt. Now it won't work with low end gpus, cus their tensor cores are too weak, but with something like rtx 3080 or rtx 4070 it just works. What a time to be alive.
It also works for 2d games that don't use any commonly used API.
@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat if you need to use lossless scaling on a 2D game. You're on the next level struggle.
@@Mr.Genesislol
I feel stupid asking this, but how do I properly use if for TH-cam videos?
Letsgooo 24fps vid to 72fps
Upgrading from a 75hz monitor to a 180hz monitor coupled with AFMF2 has been a game changer for me. I enable this on all games now and am enjoying serious high frame rates with great quality.
I have an rx 6800xt when will I get amf2 ?
This! This is the things the masses love! These type of advances not just higher end gpus!
AMD is gaining ground on Nvidias frame generation tech with AFMF2 and FSR3.1 continually improving 😇💪🥳👍. As an Nvidia GPU user, I’m happy to see AMD keep pushing forward and offering something decent for its GPU users and ensuring Nvidia is kept on its toes and ultimately it’s gamers who benefit 🥰🥳💪👍
its all trash. If my card doesn't pump out 144 fps native, I dont even want it. Tried it for a while but every time I turn it on its trash, even now.
@@Yes-sw8gh I agree
@@Yes-sw8gh its a good thing you can buy flagships then. to me this looks useful by halving wattage, or bypassing limits where the engine speed is tied to fps like nier automata, the crew 2, assassins creed 4 etc.
Frame generation isn't meant to replace native though. It is an option which is a good thing whenever you need it
Need to correct you here 7:07 LSFG works on DX9/10/11/12 and Vulkan and OpenGL. Wouldn't be surprised if it works on DX8 games or earlier too in windowed mode.
It works on this video even, it works on your media player, it works in HDR it's insane.
Another correction is at 2:53, AFMF1 worked in OpenGL and Vulkan games in preview drivers, then they disabled it later, but you could still enable it adding "GFGEnableApi" registry key. And it also worked in DX9 and10 games through DXVK or dgVoodoo and other software like that. AFMF1 also worked in media players (I tested it) and is compatible with HDR.
AFMF1 really does help certain games, like 7 days to die, to lower the hotspot temps on rx6000 (and 5000) while allowing max settings. I was hitting thermal throttling at 95c at 1440p mostly high settings, but just leveraging AFMF1 and anti-lag, doubled the FPS (80 ==> 160-ish) and allows ultra quality at ~70c - lossless scaling did not help with 7Days :)
I think AFMF2 is quite an improvement compared to AFMF, I have faith that it will be better in the final version (keep in mind this is preview drivers) but at the same time I'm pretty sure it won't be insanely good since it's still just software fg.
I'm currently using AFMF2 on a few games, FH5 is not bad, sometimes there are some minor artifacts but nothing you would really notice if not looking for it.
Euro Truck Simulator 2 and Microsoft Flight Sim 2020 are fanstastic with AFM2, on ETS2 I just lock FPS to 120 and let AFMF2 make me reach 165, on MFS2020 I can pull a little over 70 so I just lock to 60 FPS and enjoy the extra smoothness of fg.
The main issue is developers not implementing it in games, cause with proper vectorial data and UI info you would have way better image quality and no issues with UI as it wouldn't pass it on fg.
Love the vids dude keep it up, and I'm glad to see how big your channel is getting can't wait for 100K subs
I have experience with AFMF 1, AFMF 2 and LSFG and the short answer is AFMF 1 is not that great, AFMF 2 better performance, LSFG better quality.
The long answer is that the last game I played was Senua's Saga Hellblade 2 and LSFG was not realizing that the game is running and always wanted to frame gen the desktop(same thing happened when I played Throne and Liberty). So I installed the preview driver and AFMF 2 is amazing. They reduced the latency by a lot and the game just feels really good to play. Way smoother than before and even better than LSFG. My eyes cant really slow down to 25% so I cant see the better image quality with LSFG, but I can see it on youtube. I can definitely recommend LSFG, but sometimes it does not work for me sadly, but when it does it is also amazing. I will just use AFMF 2 in almost every single game now, because it makes the game better or makes my graphics card consume way less power by reaching the max FPS (in The Riftbreaker from 350-400W to 160-250W with the same 160FPS).
I agree with you. AFMF 2 is a game changer for me.
As an AMD-card user, take comfort in the fact that games using FSR 3.1 will indeed look better with AMD’s solution enabled than before.But DLSS 3 remain a strong ... provides a significant FPS boost so i geuss u guys got your answers :P
Why is no one trying the dual GPU feature AMD told in the release note? Im really curious if an iGPU will handle the framegeneration while the main GPU only renders the game with no performance penaulty, i have the 5700X3D so i can't test it
I have tested it with a 7900 X3D that has an iGPU, and it works, although it performs poorly in games that have ray tracing. I suppose it would work perfectly with more powerful dedicated graphics cards.
@@NEWMOVIESAIbut the poor performance is because of Ray tracing or because of the igpu low power? Also you had to change the display port cable to the motherboard plug or in software you set the igpu as display?
why did u not use lossless scaling 2.2.1???
its been out for a couple of days 🤔
great job man. I really like your content. Sweden approved :)
I have a cool idea they should try. scalable and/or scaling FG.
That tearing looking artifacts look like instability on the FG part. There's just too much to do at once at the target performance point. If it could detect when it starts becoming unstable to also scale back how much frames it needs to generate on those scenes, it could potentially correct itself and look very close to native at high frames.
Whole point of FG isn't to double framerate, its to improve smoothness. when you have assets having to catch up to the scene, that can look worse than low frames. Also dancing assets really breaks immersion and makes precise actions or attacks really hard to do. Just a though
it's free peformance boost and could be better overtime, so this is massive win.
oh yeah it works on the 6000 series, hell yeah, cannot wait to try this on star wars, I was having a ton of issues with FPS drop off, even with my 6950XT
I really am suprised with AFMF2, watched another vid where the latency was measured with a device and looked like with it enable only increased input delay by 5-10ms.
I am totally ok with this tbh as I already use anti-lag or cap frames with chill to get a lower input delay in games (measured with present mon installed + "application latency" with CapframeX). Without anti-lag or chill sometimes application latency in games is double avg frametimes. So with Chill say at 80-118 fps (240hz monitor) + AFMF2 high (6-8ms frame gen lag, AMD Overlay) I can get double the frames while having less overall input delay than just booting the game and running stock settings.
testing with 7500f/5800x3d + 7800xt pure
What were your display settings - what settings using lossless FG . if your doing comparatives give us the information so we can also test. You need to test performance mode on an igpu - like you told us in the the 2nd part. Also cprojectred do need to add fsr3 with frame gen to Cyberpunk, its getting to beyond a joke. Nvidia must be blocking it. We were told in December by cdprojectred we would have it. Just seems that every tech product that AMD release gets tested on cyberpunk when they have hardly done anything to support amd cards
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Lossless scaling has a multi GPU configuration option try and let the Integrated GPU of AMD handle the frame generation part while letting your main Graphics Card handle the game instead so you don't lose performance! (And bye the way AMD already took that idea considering they have a hybrid mode! I don't know if you have read it)
"I have tested it with a 7900 X3D that has an iGPU, and it works, although it performs poorly in games that have ray tracing. I suppose it would work perfectly with more powerful dedicated graphics cards.
@NEWMOVIESAI did you try it while your main GPU focuses on the game and your integrated GPU focus on Frame Generation??
@@titan64xl48 yes
I only like Lossless Scaling for Elden Ring, since it's hard capped at 60 FPS.
AFMF2 runs like a dream compared to the first version. It's also super stable for alt-tabbing now, and I didn't have it crash once. You get the hitch as it turns on and off (unsurprising), but no other problems. According to Adrenalin, AFMF2 was only adding 4-5 ms latency while active, and really didn't push GPU usage, so it's really nice for situations where you're trying to lower power draw/heat.
Whoever has a screen with a refresh rate of 144, you must set frames like this at 36, 48, or 72 FPS. You will get a smooth performance as if you were playing at a constant 120 FPS.
AFMF doesn’t work for me. I tried it on hogwarts legacy but it doesn’t feel like i’m getting 150-170fps as it says on the amd overlay. I also tried turning off anti lag, and there still was no difference.
@@onuraslan2513 i also have these issues with Hogwarts Legacy plus screen tearing (maybe the monitors fault...)
I'm turning off upscaling in the game, horizon forbidden west atm, and using the two readeon chill settings at '(monitor refresh / 2) - 1', in my case 71 as monitor refresh is 144, 4k 3840 * 2160, 32 inch monitor, 7900xt, 7800x3g, absolutely smooth as silk, afterburner reports 71 fps, adrenaline overlay 142 and does not change.
Same in CS2.
.... and no one mentions using these settings (fixed fps), your gpu power drops, temp drops, fans slow and quieter. 9.75/10 weel played AMD.
exactly, you're like one of the few people that actually understand what this stuff is properly used for, people that just wanna cut down on gpu usage
I switched from an rtx 3070 to amd 7800xt honestly i do not regret it. Amd keeps getting better i have tried afmf2 and it is awesome! Playing assassins creed mirage was getting 220-240fps uncapped framerates with hyper rx. capping frame at 70fps max settings with hyper rx and fsr2 set to native not quality with 1080p upscaled to 1440p and i am getting 140fps does deffo feel smoother. Honestly image quality is like 1440p native i compared several screenshots. Only consuming between 120-150 watts of power! And i am getting 140fps with like native 1440p image quality. If i bump it up to native 1440p it consumes 160-180 watts of power. Cannot tell the difference in image quality between upscaled 1080p resolution and native 1440p. Afmf2 is a brilliant feature!
7:42 Thats what she said...
I have an RX 6600 in my second rig, but I didnt even know something like this exists,lol. Will give it a try to see how it runs.
Lossless scaling bigeest problem is sometimes it makes the screen blurry and artifacting and the latency feels to high in that app, they really need fix those problems maybe than makes the app more perfect.
you did fail top mention that according to amd, you could run afmf2 off a desktop apu with your discrete gpu running 100%, i dont think it will as high results but the ability to use both the apu and dgpu at once to get the max possible framerate is very entincing on top of working in windowless fullscreen, i think ill take the slight image quality reductions compared to lossless scaling for these features.
Solo Development.
Sounds like a sick manwha
I mean it only will get better from here. Hopefully we can get much bigger improvements in the future.
Will AFMF 2 also come to nvidia cards or will this just stay a amd card only software ? Also if u use afmf 2 with your amd card, could u use the FG in the game aswell if it has that ? so making 40 fps into 70 and those then into 140 ?
Fsr 3 = 40 fps
Fsr 3 + fg = 70 fps
Fsr 3 + fg + afmf 2 = 140 fps
???
In my opinion, AFMF (2) is still not really usable. It just doesnt feel like "double the fps" but more like the artifact mess you can see in this video. Lossless Scaling just does ist so much better. It feels fluend and is just looking good.
I have a humble 6500XT (enough for what I do) and I have also Lossless Scaling which I bought to try with my previous GPU (which is old AF, that's why I wanted more frames)... And while I don't do side by side comparisons like you do here, what I like about AFMF is the ease of use. I haven't been bothered by artifacts at least in the games I play - which did happen to me in NieR: Automata with LS, it artifacts A LOT there while running, on the legs and anything that's moving fast, and I don't mean details, I mean absolute deformation of 2B's legs, constantly, then again this could be because the old GPU wasn't that capable) - However, when you're "in the zone" and with a budget GPU, more frames usually do feel better and having to open third party software on top of capping either with RTSS or Radeon Chill is more work. I haven't really tried AFMF2 yet, but AFMF works well enough for me with a lot less fiddling than I have to do with LS. Alt+R, turn on, check if I like it. If I don't, Alt+R, turn off, keep playing. I did watch your LS video when I bought LS... If you want to just play and feel a smoother experience (I'm on an overclocked to 75hz old 1080p panel), AFMF is a lot faster to use and, so far, it hasn't disturbed me at all. I have yet to try LS on a crappy laptop I have to run older or less demanding indie games to see how it does.
AFMF or AFMF2? AFMF2 is the VERY good one that's on the beta drivers. Give those a shot, you'll love it compared to regular AFMF.
amd should just sponsor the guy who made lossless scaling to help make it afmf3/fsr3 2.0
I'm most curious tho about the fact that you can use a secondary gpu or apu dedicated to frame generation on AFMF 2.
If this feature was implemented into LSFG that would mitigate if not nullify the high cost of frame generation so for exemple when upgrading you keep your old gpu and use it or buy an old one with a discount to relieve load on the rendering GPU
For AMD seems like the main way forward is to include machine learning as well as AI like Nvidia to improve image quality on upscale and generation.
The feature has always been in LSFG you can select the GPU that uses framegen, seen people use AMD integrated gpus for it as well as dual GPU setups
@@chbaniyoussef7202 I have a 12700k iGPU is 770, when I chose it as an FG rendering GPU I'm getting 11 FPS only. So I'm getting in the FPS counter 48/11 FPS, where the first is the FPS of the 3090 and the second is the FPS of the iGPU 770.
So basically it's not working. I even tried it with 2x and performance
@@oMeGa0122 LSFG is taxing on the GPU and most iGPUs can't handle it, as of rn I only ever managed to make it work on some new Ryzen iGPUs at 1080p, when I wrote the reply it was in the context of a PC where you have two graphics cards since most iGPUs are too slow or too weak
I always use super resolution (an upscaler on AMD cards. In game resolution is 900p then upscale it to1080p) then pair it with AFMF if the game supports it. Then cap the fps to 60 via Riva tuner since the AFMF 1 doesnt support chill.
It's good news for me that the AFMF 2 supports chill because i prefer it than Rivatuner.
Edit: I have a Rx6600 gpu. I accidentally discovered AFMF 1 when playing stalker gamma.
im looking forward to this because of dragons dogma 2 wich is heavily cpu bound.
LSFG has the option of x3 fps which is so nice. Playing 60 -> 180 Helldivers and TH-cam vids as well is so cool.
How is the latency in lsfg? And what resolution you using, I am interested in it.
@@pravnav the lag is decent. Not the best, but good enough to where I choose the frame smoothness in HD2 over latency playing with only native frames. I'm playing in 1440p upscaled from 1080p. The latency makes it mandatory to use AMD antilag. Without Antilag enabled, it's atrocious.
Just used this in 7 days to die which is by far the worst optimized game ive ever played an its made a world of a difference actually crazy how good it is ty vex
OK, how did you get access to their new software. I want to try it out myself!
As a Nvidia enjoyer I'm a little jealous. While I do have Lossless Scaling I'd love if Nvidia had a similar thing going on their end.
Well lossless scaling is kind of good. in x2 mode, i tried in RDR2, no mens sky, Once Human and spider man, works great
Can't wait to have afmf2 just for the fact that it works with Vulkan, BeamNG is gonna be less annoying regarding that
Would be nice if you compared latency between LSFG vs AFMF2.
is lsfg's input latency worse than afmf2? i really want to play cyberpunk with 120fps but that means i need to update to 24.7.1 (people say its very buggy). is staying in 23.11.1 and buy lsfg a good idea? my only concern is latency. i dont mind small image quality problem.
LSFG is so good... i'm playing cyberpunk 2077 @ 720p/36fps with LS scaling +FGx3 on my old 980 ti + ryzen7 1700 and i just can't believe how good it looks on a 1440p 144hz display and the gpu doesn't even get that hot.
lsfg just keeps getting updating and has x4 now.
I don't know if it is a Vulkan thing but I use the X-Plane 12 Flight simulator and the frame generation is perfect, without any artefact and double the FPS. Wizardry !! I have also a RTX4090 but now I use the RX7900XTX all the time.
I remember when I thought lossless scaling was going to become useless when RSR dropped.
Oh boy was I wrong. I have probably put 250 hours into lossless scaling since they introduced frame gen. I literally refuse to play Elden ring without it and use it on literally any game I can't maintain over 80 fps for.
I like thinking of it as a substantially higher quality version of motion blur.
im curious to see how much it improves, it will certainly come in handy with all of the unoptimized games that the devs are throwing our way. lol
Smooth motion beats the frame counter every time.
Having a cheap high-refresh rate 1440p monitor at the cost of it being a VA panel, i barely (if at all) noticed the problems with AFMF 1.
It's like my brain filters it out or something lol
At the cost of it being VA? VA isn't a bad technology; it has upsides and downsides just like IPS.
@@beirchI assume he says this because of black smearing and flickering in games with high contrast. Which at the end of the day looks more or less like the fmf1 artifacts.
@@wolreb9331 Good shout
Try any better frame generator, once you use it'll immediately change your opinion towards AFMF1.
@@beirch Absolutely, if you're more into PVP. But i'm more into Stories, cinematic games, etc. It did annoy me a little when switching from 1080P IPS to 1440P VA (Ghosting, etc.) So, at least from my POV, it's "at the cost of it". Other than that i agree with you
Just copped Lossless Scaling. Should I turn off AFMF?
I am having a blast with Black myth wukong now
Thanks AMD !!
What is the best amd motherboard out there possible? For Intel chips, the best possible mobo is the Asus Apex as it is one of 3 motherboards that can run 8000-8200 mhz ram stable, no crashes
LSFGS doesn't work in Linux right so no steam deck support nor in bazzite in the legion go and rog ally which would benefit from it the most. AMD stuff eventually makes it on there or can be side loaded right so wider compatibility
would i need a gpu to see this feature? because now i only have an ryzen 5 5600g, and i cannot see this option in my amd software
LSFG is op because you can use a dedicated gpu just for it and it has 0 performance loss. I got a new 3070 and still have my rx 570 plugged into my pc, and running the game on the 3070 allows me to use the 570 for lsfg, which is about a 10-20% performance boost for the cost of 30 watts of usage on my second gpu
you can do the same with AFMF 2.0. its a less noticed feature of it.
@@Ronaldo-se3ff Can you so it on Nvidia cards thought.
Let alone a combination with an Nvidia main
@@lockkeylive afmf limited to amd cards because it's a driver level feature. Idk about Nvidia + AMD APU. Safe to assume doesn't work for that. AMD only advertised it for Hybrid graphics(AMD APU + 6000/7000 series GPU)
@@Ronaldo-se3ff Well, that's still a big advantage on LSFG imo
@@lockkeylive yes that's a + for LSFG.
Did you say you couldn't feel hardly any difference in latency between AFMF 1 and AFMF 2? Wow that is the first thing I noticed when i used it in fallout London the 2nd thing was it no longer seemed to hardly cut out and 3rd was it looks way better. vids on my channle actually like 170 to 200 fps in Fallout London. it's epic. Only game i used it in so far but cannot wait and especuially cannot wait for it to work it's way on to my ROG Ally. Because the less latency will really help it on that thing.
It would be awesome if AMD integrated this to leverage the NPU on the next major update.
have you tried using intel presentmon to check the latency while using AFMF 1/2?
Image quality is my main focus
I have had this on and didnt know about capping my fps. So I'll l be doing that after watching this. I also got a 5k monitor and might try it on that for the kicks.
I tried AFMF2 on my games, and although the frames are here, the tearing is fairly distracting. And head movement (in shooters) doesn't feel smooth, as if the generated frame wasn't properly spaced between the "real" frames
Lossles scaling has a plethora of problems that ive been struggling with. At this ooint my main rig cant use it because it keeps interpolating the wrong thing. Either some windows overlay stuff or something idk. It'll just say oh you have 330fps when I capped the game un game to 70fps
The game also doesn't even get interpolated so is an obvious 70fps.
My laptop doesnt have this issue but it on windows 11.
Also he is wrong in saying they do this the same way. They dont. Lsfg replaces whatever is on screen with a new window and dont work on full screen games. And will also cause problems with some anticheats if you're not careful.
While amd is doing everything on the gpu right before sending it to your monitor. No new window or overlay shenanigans.
I love both tech and just wish I could solve the problem with lsfg but at this point afmf2 is my only option and god its good conpared to native 70fps.
Yh I think some of these techtubers are blind sided with lossless being a small team, so they get more sympathy/ hype. In this video both lossless and afmf2 are performing the same visually in overwatch, with afmf2 being more responsive. The visuals really is dependant on the scene in a game, one will perform better than the other. In Witcher 3 Geralt head keeps disappearing/flickering crazy using lossless. Ghost of Tsushima lossless has more Visual issues than afmf2. Overall afmf2 gives me the better experience. Too much compromise is needed to use lossless fg.
You're using Display Port cable or Hdmi cable for this ??
Its stupid this is for only 6000 and 7000 but not 5000 which is only just became 5yrs old so its still fine but needs a little boost
I don't get how PC Manufacturers get away of stopping support after a few years when Consoles try to make sure you're gonna be able to run games one way or another till the next generation
My PC is one year older than Series X & PS5 so it's not in need of a upgrade till at least GTA 6 PC, actually not in need, in want
There is lossless scaling frame generation up to 4x now. Could you test it?
24:29 it actually can work very good with 40 fps and that's what i tested and what developer say about lsfg , it is not like regular fg which is very bad if you do it at this lvl of fps
what I've learned is that us old gamers have lived through truly terrible gaming experiences and thought they were great at the time. Now, we are much more forgiving, in general, due to poor eyesight and tolerance, honed by decades of poor but improving graphics...
Haha, after "Duke Nukem 3D", everything looks great, right?
How come i did not see fluid motion frame 2 in my software? Is it a beta driver or what
What if you used both afmf2 and lsfg?
After 2.0 version LS restart my PC no matter what, this ONLY occurs if I use LS and NEVER happen in any other computer task scenarios , so I was forced to leave/delete it and just using afmf and I’m happy with that
Try to do a 2 frames below than the screen's maximum refresh rate to get better look and smoother performance with afmf2
ancient gameplays said afmf2 had better latency than lossless scaling iirc. don't quote me on that. 🤷♀
It does. You can feel it and you can measure it as well.
ngl all these and i jsut wanted more games w/ FSR 1.0 or FSR 2.0 to offer "ultra quality" had that in Dyinglight 2 oh man minimal image loss and the sharpness smooth out the blemishes
*one MAJOR thing people need to know...*
FRAME GEN takes GPU processing power away from rendering. If you go from 60FPS to 80FPS then what you SEE appears smoother but you are now getting 40FPS of "true" frames and the additional lag that goes along with that and from Frame Gen. Even assuming there were NO VISUAL ARTIFACTS, the lag is still a problem particularly at a low FPS...
And WEAKER GPU's, the ones that need it most, benefit less. Why? Because Frame Gen is a sunk cost. A GPU that's 2x as fast can spend less of its processing budget on Frame Gen and therefore MORE on the generation of the initial frames. So a GPU that's 2x as powerful might get, say, "180FPS" after frame Gen but the weaker GPU might only get "70FPS" (generated from 35FPS). So the weaker GPU might have gotten 50FPS without frame gen and the stronger GPU around 100FPS... the stronger GPU ends up with minimal LAG and very smooth visuals. The weaker GPU ends up with acceptable visuals but UNACCEPTABLE lag with FG (and that's aside from the other issues).
*What do I do?
Rule of thumb: don't use FG if the end result is less than 100FPS. This will vary a lot depending on the game and how well this is implemented.
Bruh I tried AFMF 2 in throne and liberty on korea and this thing loves MMOs with 1000s of players. Input lag is only 6ms. I think unreal 4 loves this AFMF 2
Lossless Scaling is very impressive NGL.
im using lossless scaling even now while watching this video. its a must purchase for budget ballers to play AAA games
What GPU you running? A Polaris or Nvidia card? I bought Lossless Scaling back for my RX480 8GB. It was nice, especially in certain games.
Now with RDNA2 (6700XT), AFMF2 is mind blowing. Works in sync of FreeSync Premium, at least, perfectly. Works under movement as far as I can tell, but I was using a controller.
I was using it in God of War. I was able to take advantage of the 144hz @ all Ultra and the one Ultra + @ 1440p. NO blurring. It's the absolute picture perfect example of AFMF 2 for AMD. God of War. It'd be PERFECT for a 6600 or something, but still great for my 6700XT as I start off at 100-105fps, but later in the game, I'm at 75fps-ish. AFMF2 throws me right up to my max refresh rate, works with my FreeSync Premium (which I don't believe original AFMF did), and it feels smooth looking around. I am using a controller in this game, though.
I just got an idea. I quit playing Kingdom Come Deliverance because of performance. 5900x + 6700XT 12gb @ 1440 max/ultra was just terrible. No, I like max settings and lowering isn't an option lol. When FSR2 becomes tweaked in more and released on WHQL drivers. These beta drivers are crashing BF2042, plus AFMF2 doesn't work in it. So, even with it disabled, I crash every 2-3 maps . I digress. I'm back on the WHQL (non-beta) drivers for now until they fix the BF2042 isse. But I may download it again just to try Kingdome Come Deliverance ADN Control lol.
@@JustAGuy85 it seems to me you are very much old guy into it. Im using rtx 2060 which is very old cpu but gives me enough to play games like valorant, Wuwa and New games like resident evil remakes. I think you may not know this but lossless scalings have improved alot as of now, And works better than AFMF 2 majority of cases. You can 3x your fps with it with very less ghosting compare to AFMF 2.
@@SaikatSaha-yk1yq So you aren't losing fps when moving around in Lossless Scaling's frame gen now? Just like AFMF did? And now AFMF2 keeps it smooth during motion.
I read the update notes on Lossless Scaling. Yeah I've had it for awhile but my 6700XT 12GB is powerful enough to just run native in games, anyways, and I prefer FSR 2.2+ over LS1. Just depends on the game. Some games look like trash with FSR 2.x.
Some games implement it perfectly. Callisto Protocol looks great in Quality or Balanced. RDR2 had issues at the beginning, but it seems to have been sorted out.
Yeah, I got LS for $5, now it's $7. I'm "an old guy" into it or whatever. You gotta realize, I just don't use it that much. For comparison, the 6700XT 12GB is a little better than the 2080 Ti. I don't necessarily need it all the time.
@@JustAGuy85 Naah, The current lossless scaling dont loose fps while moving. Ls1 was bad but with lsr2 almost all problems are solved and worth to use. The demrit of AMD Frame Gen is you cant play old games on it or games before 2023 since the developers dont think its worth to add this now in games for few people. LS2 is better compare to AFMF.
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My dad's father passed away due to obesity. The news came just before an exam night, and it was terrible. Now, I'm starting to realize that the people around me won't stay with me forever. The thought of losing my family someday scares me a lot. I have a little sister, and I fear what will happen to her once we're all gone for good. I'm not ready to lose anyone in my life yet. I dont want to be alone without them.
NVIDIA needs this asap
But that will only work if AMD got off their AS% and got the software on Linux. They have drivers on linux built in but nothing else. You still have to run Spyware to use those features.
It's amazing, BUT these beta drivers wreck BF2042. Sure, that may not affect many people in here, but I can play a map and the next map crashes (driver crash) 98% of the time.
Can't wait until they sort that out and have "WHQL" .
In the mean time, man oh man, it enhances a LOT of games. I don't NEED it in God of War.. I can run it at 1440p on a 6700XT with all Ultra settings and the one Ultra+ setting for lighting or reflections, I can't remember. I use High and Quality AFMF2. I start out at 95-100fps in that game without AFMF2 and get to parts where I drop to 75fps.
AFMF2 ALSO works with your monitor's FreeSync. At least on my FreeSync Premium. My monitor now shows 135hz or 142hz or whatever with AFMF2 whereas the old AFMF did not affect the FreeSync refresh rate for me. And, yeah, the old AFMF "showed" higher fps on the overlay, but you could not feel it.
AFMF2? You SEE it. You FEEL it. At least in the games I've tried so far. I'm gonna try it on Callisto Protocol next. See how it feels going from 1440 all max settings 35-40fps to 70-80fps. I wanna see if I can SEE and FEEL it like I can in God of War. And oddly enough, I don't even "need" it in God of War. 80-110fps (depending on area) is plenty fine for that game. But it feels SOOO much smoother with AFMF2 and like I said, my Variable Refresh Rate actually reacts to the doubled fps.
I think that's the difference between AFMF2 working and AFMF being pure placebo.
does it work on the HD 7900 series?
I wish people actually understood what LSFG does before they speak about it with such high praise. It also costs $7 and is a steam product its not offline its not a software i can take anywhere.
no it doesn't, grow a brain
Pro hack: if you cross your eyes during the benchmarks you can see the benchmarks in 3D - thank me later 😎- just stare at the middle screen of the 3 and hold your phone atleast about 8-10 inches away
the problem with frame generation isnt that nvidia and amd don’t know how to make frame generation good… it’s that they know they can’t make it too good because it’ll render future gpus completely obsolete. The lossless scaling developer doesn’t care. Why buy a new 5090 when your 3070 can get 150frames and have it FEEL like 150 frames?
I heard that if you cap your fps , 2 fps lower than your Monitor refresh rate, it basically makes it impossible to turn off AFMF.. Didn't try it tho