How to Set Up a Subs Mix -
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 พ.ค. 2016
- How to Set Up a Subs Mix - #AscensionTechTuesday - EP010
This week for Ascension Tech Tuesday, Chad will demonstrate his method for sending a separate signal to your subs. When done correctly, this can improve both your live sound and recordings from your church!
He's using a Behringer X32 but this method will work for most digital or analog mixers.
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Thank you very much Chad I appreciate your support God bless you brother.
Really enjoying your vids. Thanks. Scott
Thanks for watching, Scott. Much appreciated :)
-Chad
Praise the Lawd!
frontcentermusician Looks like you’ve seen both sides of the debate now. Haha. These days, I prefer matrix-fed subs but if you prefer to run aux-fed on an X32, just make sure to use the M/C mix :)
-chad
Great Info, thank you. Now, can you show us how to do this on an XR18?. I would be forever grateful.
Thank you great info. Love it, question is can I do this to my speakers if the highs comes of the the high pass of the sub can I still do mono on the subs thank God bless.
If you wanted separate control to your subs, you would need to rewire your system to have separate cabling to each speaker (or you could link the subs if you're running out of outputs).
Let me know if you have any more questions.
Thanks for watching!
-Chad
personally if i was mixing with an x32 or m32, i'd use the inbuild matrix crossover function. if you don't need all of the matrix mixes you can setup the x32/m32 as a 2 way or even 3 way crossover.
I completely agree. In fact, I made a video exactly about that a few episodes back. Haha.
th-cam.com/video/qdDFrZt7vzs/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for watching and commenting!
-Chad
A+++++++ GOOD SHIT
when set up like this and I am running sound, am I still able to use the fader for the selected instrument, say like Kick... Im running sound and the kick is loud, or I want more kick, can I adjust the fader, or do I have to adjust the gain, or do I adjust the mono signal to the sub, thats were I am getting confused if that makes any sense.
The fader still controls the level. Because the M/C mix is a post-fade mix, as you raise or lower the fader for the kick, it will go up or down in both the mains and the subs.
Hope this helps :)
- Chad
Good information on subs this is a new addition to our church. U said if the bass is too loud I should turn down low end. Not sure what u mean Sorry new to this
Hey Donald, this video may be more helpful for you - m.th-cam.com/video/pzDcHUSYB_A/w-d-xo.html
Hi. Nice video. off-topic: what software did you use do create the diagram? Tnx
I think it was called Mind Maps or something like that.
Hi, very helpful video, but I was really looking for the EQing of the subwoofer part. In my church there are frequencies that I dont want to be sent out to the sub. I know where to go to EQ it but I want a good sound from the sub and I dont know what specific frequencies to cut out.
Hey Allen, this doesn’t quite touch on what you’re asking but I think it could be helpful for you. This is how I attack system tuning and it works very well, especially if you are mixing for both a live audience and a broadcast audience from the same mixer. Hope it helps :)
m.th-cam.com/video/pzDcHUSYB_A/w-d-xo.html
-Chad
Oh wow I'm now seeing this thank you. This video you've sent to me is still useful now👍
My problem is, that I have two reference monitors and a subwoofer, but, I just use my Korg Kronos! I use "combis" on the keyboard, which is basically a group of instruments/sounds on their own channel/timbre with their perspective effects and mixing. So a wide range of frequencies are used in any given combi. anything from high flutes, to deep bass and everything in between. How can I configure the monitors and the subwoofer on the X32 for that? So as of right now, I used two channels on the X32 for left and right. Just those two for the inputs.
I think this should help :)
m.th-cam.com/video/Tq6bJNRQxZY/w-d-xo.html
Hey Chad, I have a question and I’m unsure if you’ve already covered it or not. Our board is set up to use Aux 1-6 for MultiTracks and I don’t know how to keep the MultiTracks up and ready to go for service and also have an iPod hooked up since it also uses those Aux channels.
For a while now I have been going into the “Routing” tab and quickly switching from Aux Insert to Card 1-6 before service, however because the TRS input has a lower volume than the USB card input, I have to remember to turn down the tracks at the beginning of service to avoid blasting our people’s ear drums. So far it has worked, but I want independent control of the MP3 on a separate channel from the Aux 1-6. Is this possible?
You may want to get a stereo DI and run those channels through a couple of the XLR inputs. That may make your life easier.
-Chad
Ascension Worship - #TechTuesday Thanks for such a speedy response! Thankfully our only stereo DI is no longer in use so I snagged it and it sounds great!
Hello Cha this Juan I have a question help please why wen we do a service live the low end of the sound it doesn't go through well what do I need to do thank you And God bless.
Hey Juan, I can't give you a definitive answer without seeing your room in person. Best advice I can give is to start by listening to some professionally mixed and mastered tracks (in stereo, if your system is in stereo) on your system and adjusting your sub levels to that. If you can get a solid sound out of that with no processing on the individual channels, that will put you in a better position to mix the low-end of your band. If you still cannot get good low-end then maybe you need to double check that you have enough subs and that everything is working properly.
I hope this helps.
-Chad
Where does the M/C output on the x32. I know its a daft question lol. Or does it run on my existing LR mix output?
Excellent question. It does NOT come out of your LR mix as it is made to be a separate output. As a default, your main LR comes out of XLR Outs 15 and 16. As far as I can see, the M/C mix does not have a default output, but rather, you need to assign an output from your Routing->Out1-16 menu. I often assign it to come out of XLR output 14 so it's next to my LR but you could honestly send it out of any output.
I hope this clarifies things.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
-Chad
Ascension Worship - #TechTuesday so i would assume that it is effectively the same as setting up a aux purely for this method of mixing. We are hosting a huge event at an outdoor venue today and have it set up as LR and Aux to subs. It is so much earlier to control the LF now than what it is just using the LR. Nifty little trick. Thanks man.
Obviously I'm a little later to the discussion, as this video was posted over a year ago. But, after watching many videos on splitting the FOH tops from the subs. I am struggling getting a M/C signal from the Aux (iPod), to come out of the subs. As well as, when I use Matrix 1 &2 linked for stereo, I route them to outputs 3 & 4 (main L/R), after setting my crossovers, I get all highs on the left and all lows on the right, subs and tops. What am I doing wrong?
Hey Jacob!
That is very odd. My first thought would be to verify that all of your patching and cabling is correct. I personally use the oscillator to do this. If you haven't done that before, here's a video that explains it - th-cam.com/video/TA3EFW9Fubc/w-d-xo.html
Please let me know if you're still having issues after testing all of your outputs.
-Chad
Ascension Worship - #TechTuesday Hey Chad, I used the oscillator and everything is coming in fine and outputting correctly. I've done everything that is required to separate the tops from the subs. I used Matrix 1 & 2 for stereo L/R (which works fine), applied low cut filter, then used Matrix 3 for subs (which will not output through the subs?). If I solo Matrix 3, the matrix is receiving the signal and I can hear the LF, but it will not go out to the subs. I am running 2 behringer 15" powered subs. Any thoughts?
If you email your scene to me, I may have a moment to take a quick look. TechTuesday@AscensionWorship.com
-Chad
Does this only work if you are using one output for the subs? I have outputs 13&14 for the subs would this option still work? Or would I have to use the bus?
You can route that bus to both outputs and be good to go :)
-Chad
Love your stuff, can I send you our church Midas edit file for you to look and and maybe adjust certain EQs for the drums and mix some effects or reconfigure it and send it to me to test out if you don't mind?
Thanks man!
Having me tweak EQs in this instance wouldn't be much help since I cannot hear your room with your speakers and your band. If I find time, I can take a quick look at your settings to see if there's anything glaringly wrong. Or, if you need us to come out to do training and work on your system in person, that can be arranged as well. Either way, please contact me at TechTuesday@AscensionWorship.com and we can look at some options :)
-Chad
What is the routing to send audio to M/C?
How would you go about sending instruments to subs if you mix your instruments into groups and send those groups to the L/R?
I actually don’t use an aux for subs anymore. I’ve found using a matrix to be the better option, partially because of situations like this that you’re asking about.
Here is a video explaining my thoughts:
th-cam.com/video/qdDFrZt7vzs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=5obiKU-Zi1xTISPI
Sorry for the non-answer but I hope that helps all the same :)
-Chad
Subs are new to our church. I get the setup function but u mentioned crossover in reference to subs. What is that and please tell me how to do that. We are using behringer x32.
Hey Donald!
I actually prefer a matrix set up. This video shows how I like to set up a matrix:
m.th-cam.com/video/pzDcHUSYB_A/w-d-xo.html
Also, here’s an older video that is specific to matrices:
m.th-cam.com/video/Tq6bJNRQxZY/w-d-xo.html
Hope that helps :)
-Chad
You've crossovered the LR and mono sub, so what signals did you feed to the podcast or livestream?
Depending on the situation, I'll generally send a post-fade stereo mix or, if I'm out of mix busses, I'll send a matrix that is fed from the LR mix.
@@AWTechTuesday If the matrix is fed from LR, then it will lose the low end, right?
No. You'd apply filters to the matrices, NOT the LR mix. Therefore, the low-end of the LR mix will transfer to the Subs matrix. You should apply a low cut to the Mains matrices.
-Chad
Hey, um I have two subwoofers do I need to still use the mono channel?
I made this video to show how to do this technique but honestly, I don’t actually prefer this particular approach haha. I suggest used matrices instead. I’ve got a few different matrix videos on my channel but here’s a good one to start with - m.th-cam.com/video/pzDcHUSYB_A/w-d-xo.html
I hope that helps :)
-Chad
@@AWTechTuesday thanks
What app are you using I can’t find it in the Apple App Store?
ENDSLEY This is the old editing app (version 2.5). I don’t think you can get that particular version anymore but you can find the new on on behringer’s website. I don’t think it’s on the App Store.
-Chad
On an M32, console, how do you control the main M/C level with no fader on the mixer? Easy with M32 Edit but without?
Not sure what you mean. The M/C master can be found on the matrix page.
@@AWTechTuesday Well, I guess it was just one of those days. I did not look on that layer. Love your Tech Tues. and your videos with Collaborate Worship.
@@jerrygunn698 haha no worries. Thanks Jerry!
My question is.... if I use what you doing , use that M/C for subs and LR as a main ... can i send All that in to another matrix and used for broadcast ?? Or how do you do that ...?
Juan Cruz Hey Juan! Here are some videos that you may find helpful - Creating A Super Simple Live-stream Mix - m.th-cam.com/video/9dsKZJRhY1I/w-d-xo.html
Juan Cruz or... Convert Your X32 into a broadcast mixer - m.th-cam.com/video/ESci4ruMJbw/w-d-xo.html
Juan Cruz I made this subs mix video as a how-to but personally, for live sound, I prefer to mix with matrixes - m.th-cam.com/video/Tq6bJNRQxZY/w-d-xo.html
Juan Cruz Sorry for the overload of videos. Hopefully those get you pointed in the right direction :)
I know 3 years has pass since you post this video, but if you have a mono system with sub woofer how will you set up the board for my type of system.
Arnaldo Garcia Hey Arnoldo! I would essentially do the same thing. If on an X32, I’d probably send the LR mix to a mono matrix for my mains. If there are no matrices, I’d make sure everything is panned to the center and use the left output for my mains.
-Chad
Personally, I prefer using a matrix over a mix for my subs, these days. You can check out this video to see how I set that up - m.th-cam.com/video/pzDcHUSYB_A/w-d-xo.html
Here’s a video explain WHY, I no longer used an aux mix - m.th-cam.com/video/qdDFrZt7vzs/w-d-xo.html
Thank you so much
What are your subs actually connected to? Is it one of the XLR outs or the 1/4 Aux out?
It honestly doesn't matter. Whatever connection you need. In digital mixers, most of that customizable. Generally, Left and Right come out 15 and 16. Therefore, I usually assign subs to 14.
-Chad
I just got mine so forgive the beginner question but that is what I did now I have to figure how to EQ that route with to filter out the highs any thoughts on the best way to do that?
th-cam.com/video/Tq6bJNRQxZY/w-d-xo.html
Check out this video next. Towards the end, I show how to EQ a matrix setup. The concept is the same regarding crossovers. The only difference is that you would apply the crossover for the subs to the M/C mix if you decide to use an aux for subs.
If you're new to mixing subs on an aux or have a lot of volunteers operating the console, using matrices may be a better option. I've done both. Lately I prefer matrices due to the ease of use, because it saves that M/C mix for other uses, and it's generally much easier on volunteers.
Hope this helps :)
-Chad
I will watch the video but what I did was put the eq settings on Mix Bus 1 because that is the mix I will use for sub. Not saying that is correct but it seems to be working by only allowing up to 98hz on that mix bus. I have the M/C setup but it is not controlling mix bus 1 I am sure I am missing a config setting somewhere but only the mix bus 1 eq is effecting the channel. Another question is I want to be able to control the overall volume after I have set the mix bus 1 where I want it for the subs. In the setup I have M/C depends on Main L/R selected and Panning mode LR + Mono but when I pull down the main fader the bus 1 mix is still at the level I set it. Again probably newbie issues thanks in advance for your help
I highly suggest that you not use Bus 1. The M/C mix is designed for what you're trying to do. You can't control Bus 1 with the M/C because they're both mixes. On the X32 you cannot send a bus to another bus (with the exception of the LR mix). I hope that makes sense.
You can of course put EQ on your M/C mix just like you did with Bus 1.
To your second question, you're correct, the setting you selected only works for the M/C mix, not Bus 1. That's why the master fader is not affecting the overall volume of the subs. Only the M/C mix can be affected that way.
You're getting close :)
Keep at it!
-Chad
Where do you connect the subwoofer and how to route?
Hi there! I don’t really support this method anymore for most cases. Please check out this video for more info on how to set up a matrix-fed sub. Hope it helps :)
m.th-cam.com/video/pzDcHUSYB_A/w-d-xo.html
-Chad
Thank you sir
Would you highly recommend subs?
Generally, yes.
Particularly if you have a instruments that carry a lot of low-end energy such as bass guitar, drums, tracks, and sometimes keys.
-Chad
Why isn't your crossover stereo(linked)?
Hey Benjamin. Thanks for watching and commenting! Do you mean, because I linked my L/R and M/C faders, should the EQ's be linked as well? If that's what you're asking, that particular link only links the M/C channel to the fader and mute of the L/R. If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask. Thanks for watching!
-Chad
I CAN NOT SEEM TO GET MY M/C CHANNEL TO LINK TO THE FADER.I HAVE TRIED EVERYTHING...HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPP PLEASE
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