Older games are a threat to the current industry. They represent a standard of quality that the current industry refuses to meet or prioritize. This why they assault the ownership of games bought by the consumer.
No they arent. This video has an identity crisis, and is making a point of a nothing burger. Its literally all live service games that have been taken good care of over the years, and then theres some nintendo games.
Refuses, or perhaps, and/or can’t? Maybe modern devs just don’t have the knowledge or intellectual capacity to make games good? The amount of spaghetti code and code copypasted from wikis and lack of studio independent engines, a major aspect of older games, certainly speaks ill of the capabilities of the programmers. And the incompetence of the rest of team, well there’s probably thousands of videos covering that now.
@@ironboundfateYou completely fail to see the bigger picture. Game companies know old games are a threat to new games, a lot of them can't compete on quality anymore. You have to look where things are trending. Games requiring an internet connection, requiring you to be always online, requiring an account with their shitty site, Denuvo, content they can deprecate on a whim, limited number of installs... It's like Todd Howard bursting down your door and taking Skyrim off your shelf because he knows you aren't buying Starfailed.
Erase quality standards. If the new generation doesn't know how well made games once were, they will get used to whatever crap the modern industry sells to them.
I wouldn't say this is true. I do play "new games" when they come out. But they are mostly from Indie teams full of passion and void of _" The Message "_ as the *Critical Drinker* would say.
Have you even watched 2 seconds of the video at the time you typed the comment? they consider games from the past decade are "old." Like Fortnite or GTA5.
1:Complete experience 2:Focused more on gameplay 3:Usually optimized through time. 4:cheaper to buy 5:Many have no store, or items to pruchase of any meaningful value.
@@im1085 lmfao. when i opened this i thought actual old games from 90s and early 2000s not these shit games how is gta v old? didnt that come out like 3 4 years ago?
this might sound silly but it really matters. I can't always download fast and having 20/30/50/100gb games becomes a problem. Often when I want to play something right away, I end up downloading light and quick to launch games.
It’s because old games aren’t worried about NPC skin texture technology. But they focus on actual gameplay mechanics. Devs have become technology enthusiasts vs game developers.
@djtoxicdhg fortnight is really an odd one out because "old game" implies that the games are much older and usually the assumption they stopped getting big updates and usually just recieve small ones. Fortnight hasn't even been out for a full 6 years yet.
And some games just don’t need a replacement. I’ve played rocket league for years. Nothing that comes out that is similar will get any traction. Why would I ever play Different league. The game play is great, anything worth me trying out would have to be so different it’s not even a direct competitor. The closest thing I could think of would be a game like Twisted Metal, but that’s not even the same genre. It’s battling with cars not sports and acrobatics with cars.
@@TheForbidden_1ne Yep, even the “one save slot unless you buy more” thing Metal Gear Survive pulled is back again. Hell, even fast travel and character respec is a Mtx in Dragons Dogma 2.
I simply like older games too. Some new ones, but often, I find myself playing indies or AA. But I really love games like Galaga or PAC-MAN. Even more obscure ones, like Mappy are fun on a rainy day.
The whole "entertainment that appeals to everyone" thing is killing everything. Games, movies, and shows that are "made for everyone" are still really not made for anyone except for only the people who like entertainment with "the message."
Don’t want to pay $70 for an unfinished base game they intentionally removed content from so they can sell it to you for an extra $30-50 in the Deluxe Golden Complete Premium Diamond Special Platinum Collection with ‘half-day’ early access and a “special mission” and “exclusive skin” both of which will inevitably be re-available in the 3rd Season of the Battle Pass (which you’ll have to spend another $10-30 on, depending if you get the normal or Elite Pass), forced to buy gems/credits/etc from their fully-working-at-launch shop to get the items I need to ACTUALLY play the game rather than spend hours grinding enough materials so I don’t immediately run out of stuff in the first mission, then pay more for DLCs which add the other intentionally removed content that should’ve been in the base game to make it fun.
Yeah another thing is that "skins" don't exist anymore in games. You get very "common" skins, like for example turning gun/uniform light blue or something. All to entice you to buy the big skins for 2.99 (Or in the case of Warcraft, 30 dollars). The smaller skins you get are more common and only there to entice you to buy the pretty skins. There is no more "Do these challenges and unlock the Harlequin suit" or something.
You can usually get 9/10 games for dirt cheap. They won't all be triple A titles, but a lot of games that came out years ago could slap the shit out of new titles today.
right?! been playing thief that got for free on epic store and it's really polished. As a dishonored diehard fan it looks pretty similar and by that i say that graphics is outstanded by quality
Some cheap games I recommend and how much they cost me roughly (don't remember the exact numbers because i bought most of them a while ago) Bioshock collection £10 AC Ezio Collection £12 AC Syndicate, Black Flag and Unity collection £16 Most other AC games including the massive RPGs usually under £20 Witcher 3 £5 Jedi Fallen Order £12 but I have seen it drop lower to roughly £5 Titanfall 2 Ultimate Edition £4 Resident Evil 2 and 3 Remake £14 Batman Arkham Collection £8 All of these I recommend people play and they are worth way more than they are priced. Also some of them aren't that old. The biggest steals are probably the witcher 3, batman arkham collection and jedi fallen order in terms of number of hours per pound spent
True, I avoid online multiplayer as hell. Only local coop multiplayer in front of the switch. I think many people love to play offline in single player mode...that must be why the Switch is such an succès...it's best selling titles are Mario Kart, Zelda series games ... old iconic stuff proped up ...but without ripping you off.
I dont want to buy the $120 preorder ultimate gold premium delux edition and buy a season pass, a subscription, and extra $60 dlc for an unfinished/bad game that will die next weekend
@ketsi3079 thing is, most gamers resell cards before their 2nd hand value falls to much. Last time I sold a 970 for 200 bucks, bought a 2070 for 300 from zotac with a Newegg coupon. Now that nvidia has inflated msrp to insane levels that may not happen as often anymore.
@@ketsi3079who the fuck in their right mind upgrades a gpu for that much every 1-2 years. For less than 2000 dollars you would have bought a 2080 TI in 2018 and its still better than a 3070 TI by a small margin. Thats 6 years.. Same goes for other GPUs of its caliber, nowadays. They will last for 3-4 years if not more depending on your needs.
The one major difference between old and new games - older games were created by devs that wanted to make a fun game - period. All modern AAA games start off as a monetization scheme, then they hire devs to add video game elements to enhance this monetization scheme. Pretty much nobody ever said "I have some time this weekend, I'm gonna play a monetization scheme with video game elements!". Why choose to spend your time on something designed for your credit card as opposed to something designed for your enjoyment?
What's crazy is that if they actually just made good games that were fun, they would make tons of money because the entire reason people would want to give you money for a game in the first place is BECAUSE YOUR GAME IS FUN.
@@samuraieko5408that's why Helldivers 2 is so popular, it's a fun game. You can purchase cuurency if you want but doesn't really affect the gameplay plus you can make it very easily on your own.
@@actualiygod6782yeah but the developers are their little minions that mindlessly put these things in their games too scared to disagree against the big guy. ITS THEIR FAULT TOO
Duh, of course most big publishers don't care, they didn't used to care either. What changed and is way more important is that even the studios themselves and the devs who are the ones developing the games don't play it! That is a big change. In fact, we see all the time studios who HATE their audience, and actively attacks them. Same goes for some devs, writers, etcetera, they actively attack their own players in order to pander to others and push their world view based in mental illness. I mean what do we think is going to happen when someone who hates us develops a game for people who dont even want to play their game, and a game that they don't care about or even play.
@@Kratos-eg7ez Studios attacking their own audience isn't much of an issue imo. What matters is the devs listening to their audience. Fallout 3 ignored the fanbases of fallout 1 and 2, because they just wanted to make another Oblivion. Whereas Obsidian, devs who came from CRPG roots, added in those missing story telling elements in New Vegas, fulfilling the demand. Guess what game receives endless praise on TH-cam, all with millions of views each. Nexus has 600mil downloaded mods for New Vegas and 150m for Fallout 3.
That's how we got Redfall and Phil looking dumb founded it failed. Like how didn't he know he shilled the game and then we found out he didn't even look into it until after it failed.
Literally the problem. This is why indie game industry is rising. We actually listen to our players feedback and get involved in the community. AAA don't care just ran by boards and investors.
Warriors is the superior Rockstar game. I finished Bully 100% and never looked back. The world of that game felt empty after finishing it. Warriors on the other hand have some crazy content. After finishing the game, you unlock an arcade beat em up version that's equally fun
I paid $15 for Stardew Valley and ive gotten far more content from that than any AAA game ive played since then. Really says something about the industry when a 2D pixel graphics farming simulator made by a single guy is still better quality than these multi-million dollar AAA games they are trying to shove down are throats. Edit: I actually spent $45 dollars on SDV because I later bought a copy for PlayStation and switch also. And you'll also commonly find SDV and Terraria for half off on steam.
While I don't remember how much I paid for Stardew Valley, I played for 1583 hours, and counting (started a new run with the 1.6 update). I think I got my money's worth!
$15 for Stardew Valley 6 years ago, free updates. Been playing Terraria with a buddy recently, checked transaction history, bought it 10 years ago for $2.50(!!!), also all free updates. Not counting an idle game(Melvor), those are my 3rd and 6th most played games on Steam, coming up on a nearly combined 1000 hours.
@@jordanstephens4178And half of the content was the equivalent of what previously would have just earned you coins and 1UPs being marketed just as important as meaty challenges.
Gaming became too big. It became normie. We basically need another crash like in the 70s but they simply make too much money for that to happen like then. There are too many dependents on gaming as well. It's like trying to make the tobacco industry crash.
Modern gaming started going downhill when it started to chase after Hollywood and now they suffer the same problem by way of bloated, mismanaged budgets and boring titles.
We used to have bad movie games following the storylines of movies with at least liked characters from said movies on the ps2 era. Now we have bad games creating their own bad storyline with unlikable characters.
The reason people play games is because they're fun. The reason companies make games is because they earn money. The dichotomy between the two is the root of all evil when it comes to bad AAA games. Publishers and decision-makers who probably don't even play games see dollar signs and then push developers to focus on amazing graphics to lure you in before shoving it out the door on schedule regardless of whether or not it's actually fun (or even ready for a stable release). When World of Warcraft was still in development, I recall a forum post by a Blizzard employee explaining that they cannot announce a release ETA prior to it being feature-complete because they need to make sure everything is fun. If they don't consider an idea or feature to be fun, then they will scrap it and start over with something else. Game companies today need to learn from that. Don't make games for the money, make games for the fun and then money will follow.
How do you reconcile that view with the fact that they actively undermine their brands and destroy their profitability? And that the people making these decisions are being put out of work, many of them never rich to begin with (e.g. community managers, broke freelancers who still have ridiculous amounts of influence, etc.)? The thing to recognize about money is that it's ALWAYS a means, not an end unto itself. The end is whatever they gain from that money, which may or may not be something tangible. For instance, reputation, legacy, and control.
@@oldoddjobs Its the idea that businesses optimized most of the care of customers out of the decision process and leaves more hallow feelings to anyone who thinks longer than a brief period about the games they buy. They're selling us brands and memories then giving us sloppy work but due to the reputation of stuff like Sports Games and CoD being so solid and casual for so many years with people who don't really know better they just keep eating up the slop. Its entirely stupid of them to think people would stop buying shit because its "Not Fun" cus FIFA and EA Sports FC are on those lists and they're probably clunky awful shit games that still have many upon many playing and investing money into. We'll never dredge ourselves out of this until game companies massively fuck up by taking too big of a step somewhere? Not sure where they'd do it but it would need to be BAD to pull the industry back to like 2000s/2010s era of pricing and thoughtfulness, all you can do is not entertain some parts of the industry and hope others don't as well at this rate.
i feel companies sometimes forget that the base of games is just having fun. once a game is fun it's easy enough to monetize. make a great game and then monetize it. don't make games around a monitization strategy.
This is the reason why many big companies fail to bring anything great to the table. They just play it safe and mostly copy everyone else in the industry. Big companies get too influenced by making money rather than making fun and good games.
Just like it was in the last 30 years or so, nothing changed. We had the mario clones, the doom clones, the COD clones etc etc... Once something works, everybody copies it. Playing it safe is absolutely not something new
@@omarsheriff51this is actually a very fair reply, and well put also. But... There is also hope. Hope from companies that still take chances, and make the games that they want to play. FromSoftware. I am looking at you...
They think making money = doing what's trendy, - rather than doing something great that then naturally becomes a trendsetter Assassin's Creed (OG) didn't follow any trends. It in fact did the opposite, it tried to venture where no one had gone before, and it arguably kickstarted the whole single-player open world scene. It wasn't the first to do this, but it was the first game that actually was truly original in this scene and was made from the ground up to be novel and interesting and fun to play. Same with PUBG and Fortnite and Warzone respectively in their own niches of BR. Sure Warzone did kinda follow a trend, but it also was the first AAA studio produced title to go into this scene. Remember, PUBG was basically an indie project that blew up, and Fortnite was in the uber casual segment that didn't really compete directly with the field COD was/is occupying. But every game since them have just failed because they see the trend first and foremost. Battlefield failed miserably, twice. They tried BR and extraction only because it was popular, not because they thought their approach could bring something unique and fun to the scene.
You also forget that publisher push and push games out quicker and only care about the bottom line. Often game devs dont get the ability to make a good game anymore that often.
Cause almost every new game is following a similar trend. checking boxes, microtransactions, lack of creativity, taking no risks, changing stuff about previous IPs, and more.
@@__goat__ Yeah but most of the games you listed are good. They at least innovated a bit versus games today that can barely release in a non beta state and shove every leftist political point possible down your throat.
The problem with gamers nowadays is they care more about what most people play..... people forgot it's entertainment. You do you. You play to be entertained...It's like food, tv shows, etc. You don't compete to enjoy food. You don't need validation from most people to enjoy a certain tv show. You just enjoy what you enjoy. Now, people all want what most people play...
It’s sad that this is true of myself and I’ve had to catch myself with it and remind myself of how weird it is. It’s just been so ingrained through everything I didn’t even realize it was happening lol
Thats not really it, its always been that way. its more to do with you end up playing what all your friends are playing so you can play wit them or talk about it. Its like when a tv show becomes popular, everyone starts talking about it so you check it out o see what the fuss is about and then you talk about it. All these big franchises started that way, dave down the road played this game gta1, you play it and are like holy cow thats awesome so you are now play8ing it, your friend comes over and hes now playing it. Nothings changed
Well, as someone who was on the OG MW servers, i kept buying COD because I couldnt scratch that itch anywhere else. Eventually i stopped because i realized that even COD didnt scratch that itch anymore. I was chasing the feelings i had back in 2007-2011. It was impossible to do. Its hard to get out of old habits and relearn to do something else even in video games. I had to kick my own ass to even get into baldur’s gate and i ended up loving it.
I completely changed my gaming habits a few years ago and it has made the hobby so much more enjoyable and relaxing. I swore off all online multi-player titles and those used to be my go to. I only play single player titles old and new now. In the past two years I've played through all the Metroid Primes, Twilight Princess, Wind Waker, all of the FEAR games, all of the Bioshock titles, all of the modern Resident Evils, the System Shock Remake, Selaco, the first 3 Gears Of War games, etc. I could go on and on. This has all lead to a hobby in my life that is incredibly positive and relaxing. I've been so immersed in these titles and get to escape my day to day stress for a just a bit of time before jumping back into the grind of life. I don't stress about raising my ranks in competitive titles, I'm not getting into arguments with toxic players, not yelling at my TV (lol). If you're feeling like gaming has become stale in your life give my process a try and see what it does for you. It's been awesome.
Truth be told, I play mostly older games on my PC which has a 4070TI Super in it and an AMD 5950X. I honestly don't need that kind of power, but until a game comes along that needs that level of power and can go toe to toe with the gameplay and design that older games offer, I really don't care.
My daily driver laptop is 13 years old and runs things like Battlefield 2 beautifully on high graphics despite having the processing equivalent of a modern chromebook, and I absolutely love it.
Even then, the graphics of old games were the BEST they could offer. Today they just schill out some premade assets on UE5 or w/e. Every game looks the freaking same lol
That's definitely a factor. I got that new Robocop game and it's brutal. A GTX 1070 can't get more than 30fps on the lowest settings at 720p and I don't feel like paying $2k for a new video card.
It's not only gaming companies, unfortunately. The DEI/ESG virus has spread across most industries by HR and marketing activists that are clueless about what it takes to drive a successful company or make a profit. It's like the kids that think that money are unlimited and everything is about them.
It removes coemption for the new product. With each new AAA game released, they are charging more for less, and then selling you the parts to make whole game later.
I'm tired of gaming companies releasing unfinished games. Then they add microtransactions and DLCs a few months later when that content should've been there in the first place.
If you're not enjoying modern gaming, here's a list of retro video games that I think everyone should play through at least once (I consider any game before the HD era in the 7th generation as retro): 1. Resident Evil 4 (2005) 2. Super Metroid 3. Super Mario Bros 3 4. Ninja Gaiden Black 5. Metal Gear Solid 1-3 6. Chrono Trigger 7. Metroid Prime 8. Devil May Cry 1&3 9. A Link to the Past 10. Ocarina of Time 11. Rondo of Blood. 12. Resident Evil 1 (1996) & Remake (2002) 13. Half Life 2 14. Deus Ex 15. Doom (1993) 16. Final Fantasy VI & VII (1997) & X 17. Resident Evil 2 (1998) 18. Silent Hill 2 (2001) 19. GTA Vice City & San Andreas 20. Super Mario World 21. Super Mario 64 22. Donkey Kong Country 2 23. Yoshi's Island There are amazing games from the 7th generation as well (it's one of my favorite gens) but I don't really consider them retro. As someone who started gaming in the 3rd generation, I have to say, that run from the 4th generation to the 7th generation (1990 to 2011) is unmatched IMO. I honestly believe video games have already peaked during that run.
Metal Gear Solid 3 Subsistence or HD Editions is an incredible experience and has mechanics I STILL haven't seen in any game since. Aside from that the story is a blast and the gameplay is an absolute joy.
RTS is ded (other than the old diehard communities kept together by people like Grubby). I'm sceptical about the "RTS revival" hypetrain, but we'll find out soon enough. TBS players get charged through their nose - precisely because the genre is even more niche, while the games in it are _not at all_ cheap to make. Especially because Paradox(let's be honest, it's mainly Paradox these days) pays taxes in Sweden...well, that, and they know their main demographic is 25+, probably older, so they have the money. Not super happy about it, but at least I get worthwhile games.
@@AthenaTennosN lol they been saying RTS is de ad for decades now, fact is age of empires 2 is more played than every playstation game on pc, COMBINED!
@@AthenaTennosN not really at all, what do you consider rts? Manor lords is and would be considered RTS, and you have that Command and Conquer spirtual successor coming out soon, age of wonders 4 was recent, although more turn based, but turn based and real time tend to go hand in hand.. bg3 is a turn based strategy game.
Old games feel like complete experiences and like real art, not some canned slop. I'm playing Age of Wonders 2 and Heroes of Might and Magic 3 atm and both these games are such a joy to play.
I've also been playing around with might and magic 3, my biggest complaint about replying titles this old is getting a nice resolution on the ultra wide monitor 😅 I hope you've got the GOG version and not the steam version 😊😊
Demon Souls was small Dark Souls was a breakout Dark Souls 3 was a massive success Elden Ring was an instant blockbuster FromSoft made by sticking to their guns. Devs, publisher - take note.
@@theteamxxx3142 agreed, it's my favorite in all honesty, I kinda love the disjointed interconnected map, like you're living in a true hellscape that twists and transforms and just keeps throwing stuff at you
1. Micro Transactions 2. Battle Passes 3. Being Glitchy Up the Hole Granted there were still a fair amount of great games that got released in 2023, RE4-make Baldur's Gate 3, Pikmin 4, Fire Emblem Engage, Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom, Spider-Man 2, & Hi-Fi Rush Notice how none of the qualities I listed made into that list
Literally spent hours last night playing Tetris on the Gameboy. My best mate literally said the other day "I just want to play a simple game. Too many new ones now are so epic and demand so much time".
My 3DS gets the most playtime in the house. Tetris, Advance Wars, Mario games… Genius in their simplicity and just satisfying to play. The greatest handheld ever made, imo. Nintendo could have kept that thing alive forever.
My wife gives me shit because the game I mostly play is Tetris 99 on my switch. Yes I paid up for a switch. Yes I have an insane library of thousands of games for most consoles. Yes I’m playing the free Tetris game.
It's the same deal with cars. Older cars: - are built to actually last (they can easily outlast you, unlike newer cars that are actually cheaper to buy new than bother repairing) - are sturdier to survive a crash in (they don't disintegrate even on a minor impact) - are cheaper to buy and maintain (because they have already been devalued and don't require asshole middlemen to be purchased) - are easier to actually find parts for (not having to wait up to two weeks for delivery) - can be repaired by anyone with even the modest knowledge in mechanics - do not actually require original parts all the time (sometimes patchwork is better than original work) - don't require an IT engineer to diagnose what the hell is wrong with them - don't have twenty kilometers of wiring wrapped all over it you need a mechanic with an electrical doctorate to work on it - don't blackmail you to change your oil at the official distributer or else they will refuse to work - don't require the latest and the most expensive fuel to run - can be actually driven even when damaged (unlike some newer cars that flatout refuse to start if they detect certain issues) - actually have character (unlike newer cars which are just bland and soulless) ... the list goes on. PS EDIT: Most newer cars are designed to be as expendable as possible, they get the job done right about until the time their waranty expires, after the moment when they start breaking down the consumer is actively encouraged to ditch it at the nearest junkyard or trade it in for an even newer and even more expendable one.
@@God__Emperor_well it depends really yes newer cars a safer but not to pedestrians, and older cars will outlive a newer car more generally depending on which makes and models etc etc but for example a Toyota Corolla from the 70s will last longer then a Mini Cooper year 2000- and up a old Honda accord from 2004 will last much longer then any bmw or Mercedes or Kia or ford that comes out of factory today, look at jeep cherokees those things don’t last more then 10 years on the road
@@thatguy8012 you seem to know a bit about car, is there any reason why i can't by say.... a 2007 Camry produced today with modern efficient factories for 5000$? Why hasn't anyone produced cars under 10k yet? considering how much we can scale and reduce cost compared to 20-30-40 years ago. There's gotta be a market for people who don't want an ipad in the middle of their dash
this is correct. computer analytics showed them make cars that need to be replaced. they got so good, people really didn't need to get rid of them. ICE work almost forever if used daily with regular cheap maintenance. they learned their lesson and now make cars to fail after time, and load them with technology that will die and make the car unusable.
The modern gaming world is in a post-apocalyptic state where aside from a very few oasis, everything that comes out just adds more to the growing wasteland of broken hopes... Old games look like technological and artistic miracles compared to most of the soulless slop they're so proud of overpricing nowadays
This year alone has been banger after banger and we have stellar blade and senuas saga, which, not for me personally, I know a lot of people are looking forward to. This is following a year of titles that have been killing it. The trash is there but it's where it belongs. Suicide squad anyone? For spoken? Saints row? That's probably 3 closed studios back to back to hopefully back because fuck rocksteady
I'm hoping any of the 3 big MMOs I'm anticipating are going to be worthwhile and I can put years of gameplay into them and constitute supporting them, but my cynical side is telling me 1 out of 3 is an impossible ask. I may just have to keep playing RuneScape.
@@ZagZagro It looks like most games these days are cartoony and childlike compared to the influx of mature franchises we got in the past like gears of war, halo etc Stellar Blade just looks like Bayonetta/Nier to me with no new mechanics All mechanics at this point are rehashed from the past When I was a kid I thought we would get games were we can wage mech space battles and expand our government while piloting mechs over at least 20 worlds Instead I got starfield......
Bro... My SNES is literally hooked up to a projector in my bedroom with 3 drawers full of games I haven't beat yet. I don't want to talk about my hacked PS2.
Oh thank god, I thought it was only me. I've been playing classic games like Red Alert 2, Burnout 3, NFS Most Wanted (2005), Vigilante 8 & Twisted Metal nowadays. It's the charm of old games that brings enjoyment to me that modern games don't replicate, imo.
@@gamingsuperun I didn't played the DS version but I did play and liking the GBA version of NFS U2 and Underground Rivals on PSP. Those were strange and simple times.
Today's Market = $80 for a Beta version of the game with patch support and a $140 DLC in the future whilst current bugs and issues still exist. This is today's gaming experience. Old games polish their games before release and patching was only done to fix SMALL issues, now it's been made into an industry to distribute WHOLE GAME FILES.
- or just wait 8mo and buy the gold edition with all DLC and included patches for $30. I haven't bought a full price game in years. The silver-lining of an oversaturated market. There are exceptions ofc (Nintendo First-Party titles & BG3) but 90% of the market falls into this pattern.
I also want to point out a thing that many may not even talk about: older games sometimes are just comfortable to play. No matter how many new Resident Evil games come out there is only one obligatory yearly run of RE 4, and so many franchises have that same thing where there is that one game that people consider peak and stick to it as their comfort fallback.
@@GeorgeMonet Comfort games probably means what they played as a kid. (Also damn RE 1 and 2 have not aged well so I would not blame anyone for not picking that up again)
I've played through the entire Battle For Middle Earth campaign about 20 times in my life. Cozy games are so repeatable and comfy and familiar (Second Wind video was great on this topic).
@@GeorgeMonet RE3 is definately a 2 year run, just to savor Nemesis from time to time. RE1 and 2 - eh, maybe remakes but not yearly that's for sure. Also, sleeper pick - Revelations 2 for the raid mode. That game is straight up crack for my RE gameplay craving.
@@TheNeonLynxGonna disagree with you there. RE1 hasn't aged super well, sure, since the remake has rendered it completely obsolete, but OG RE2 is just a better, more coherent game than its remake. RE2 Remake is so clearly unfinished, and it's sorely lacking the atmosphere that only fixed camera angles and pre-rendered backgrounds can provide.
Listening to interviews now with developers of big hit classics from the '90s/2000s, I keep seeing the same things: relatively small teams, and absurdly unrestricted creative freedom to the point where the game shipped with things that only one team member was even aware of. The really sad thing is that I don't think going back to that would even work anymore. The industry is no longer populated with people who have the talent or integrity for that environment. We also don't really have A or AA studios at all now; that dynamic is completely gone. Everything is either AAA or indie, and personally I'm sick of both albeit for different reasons.
Same. Everything is either over-the-top, bloated-budget photorealistic bombast, or no-budget pixel-trash headed straight for Humble Bundle/Game Pass. How about just... a reasonable medium?
@@Cryptic0013 Yeah, the pixel shit is only popular because it's so accessible for developers with no resources. Nobody is actually nostalgic for it. I'm freaking 35 and that 8-bit pixel aesthetic is still easily 5-10 years before my time.
@@saikimayu Yeah, Josh Strife Hayes said it best when he pointed out that Symphony of the Night and A Link to the Past still look good today because, in the XX-bit era, devs were doing absolutely everything they could with very limited resources, so they leaned into art style. Nowadays, "pixel shit" looks terrible because those devs are, instead, doing the *least* they can get away with, despite having nearly unlimited compute resources, because they have no style. Then they try to pass it off as "nostalgic"
It's because they'd rather try to use gimmicks to trick you into playing long hours than they would just making a good game. What they want to do is slowly bring everyone into a subscription model so you can't own games you can only subscribe monthly with your subscription ability being tied to your social credit score.
I get turned off when I have to sign in to an extra account to play a game by myself, for example I wanted to play a golf game but the game doesnt save your progress in single player mode unless you connect to the server, what the fuck is that? why cant I do single player seasons by myself in a golf game?
@@Xgil2Play Yes. Why does the game need to be designed to require server information for single player? There are many games that don't need to do that at all. You missed the point entirely and dropped into being a pathetic pedant.
Of course we are playing older games are you kidding me, who wouldn't play a good game thats $60 at most and probably is on sale regardless of the original price and even if it is full price it's still a good game
It's always bothered me no matter how many years pass, all older COD games are still sold at full price. Like nobody is going to buy Ghosts or advanced warfare for 60$, also shame on you if you think ghost was ever good. Same with older pokemon titles.
@@christianedwards9025 Fortnite apex legends league of legends cs2 valorant pubg.. the list goes on. Warzone.. felt this needed to be added just to really show its every Uber popular game is free.
I watched "The Ninth Gate" last week and it was refreshing. For a silly destraction of balance, I then watched "The Court Jester" starring Danny Kay; story driven films that do not attempt to change anything. Cheers.
Some older games like fallout and system shock, deus ex, they haven't aged perfectly but if you sit with them for a couple hours you will be hopelessly hooked despite their age
I remember back in 2004 that I watched the making-of-documentary of Halo 2, that came out in the Collector's Edition as an extra DVD. I remember Joseph Staten, writer and director of the game, when they came out with the E3 2003 demo he said "we came to the E3 with a demo, not with a playable part of the game, and in its current state the game is not fun so we need to rethink the whole project". You don't see that anymore, developers actually thinking about games being fun, games are just cashgrabs now and you can see it by tons of games coming out every day, we are living in the shovelware days of the Wii, but for the whole industry.
It's not just the fun aspect. Look up the documentaries for the German cult games series Gothic. The original developer were dedicated computer scientist, who were interested in creating their own 3D engiene and they had an actual drive to make their game different and unique from other RPGs on the market at the time. You look at todays diversity hire developers and you are happy if they can eat with a spoon without losing an eye.
22:17 - Its irritated me for years in hearing people profess that Wrath was the best WoW expansion. It simply wasn't and your reasoning here is spot on. Wrath was when WoW stopped growing and it dumbed down a lot of the challenge on things.
I recently revisited: Arkham City, Max Payne 3 and Deus Ex mankind divided. Absolute masterpieces on all front (gameplay, music, animation, storytelling...) All often on sale under 10$.
@@haroldfranklin3670 First play though, JC's bro told me to run out of the flat and I did and he died. Next play though, "Fuck this, I'm not leaving my bro" Saved him and he was in the whole game after! MIND BLOWN! What a game.
@@All_Hail_Chael absolutely, original is probably the SP game I finished the most amount of times because I was curious to see what would happen if X Y Z was done differently. Been playing a bit of mankind divided lately and while the consequences of certain choices don't impact the main story all that much, I'm still surprised to find pretty elaborate side quests or interesting areas
I've had a hell of a time getting my younger friends to play older games. Really good ones. And not even that much older, I'm talking Portal 1 and 2. Binding of Isaac. They usually play for a couple hours then lose interest, and aren't really paying attention to any of the plot. At the risk of sounding like an old man, I think they just don't have the attention span. If there isn't constantly something happening, a live service that all their friends are playing with a hundred skins and frequent events - well, what's the point of learning a brand new game that they'll just _finish_ in a few hours? It's a real shame because they're robbing themselves of experiencing some of the best games ever made, and being conditioned to accept sub-par products from companies that are trying to wring out the maximum amount of cash for the minimum amount of effort.
Honestly though, i feel this one. A bit off-topic, but i dated a girl some years back, i was 23 and she was 21 at the time. The difference is not that much, but i am one of the first zoomers('97), and the difference between me and my later generational comrades is immense! So i went down to sit and watch Alien with her, the 1979 movie. It's a fucking masterpiece. She called it boring, because nothing happened until halfway through the movie. Just started browsing her phone like 15 minutes in. halfway through we just stopped watching, because she wasn't having it. And she generally loves sci-fi and horror. I have ADD, my attention span is atrocious, but even i can admire the building tension and story. The writing and camera work is simply spot-on. Especially if you like the genre. We might be getting old, but i didn't need a subway-surfer in-screen to enjoy one of the best movies ever made.
@@RePeLSTeeLTJe--Tbh I agree that its hard to stay enraptured by many movies. But tbh Id say its mostly either because the movie is mediocre or not my type. Doesnt matter if its old or new. Alien specifically I had no trouble keeping my eyes on all the way through back when I watched it some years ago with a girl about your age, Im born 01 myself.
@@RePeLSTeeLTJe-- Even I could admit that half a movie of only building tension is too much. Alien might not be the best example as much as I like it but your totally on point.
That Black Mirror episode with the bikes becomes more real as time passes, and this new generation is being conditioned to be just like that, dopamine addicts with no atention spam, willing to do everything for entertainment.
whenever a new player comes on an mmo i know well and asks ''how long will it take me to reach endgame?'' my reply is always ''you wont...you'll get bored 20% in because theres not enough bells and whistles and call it a bad game like most others before''
Oh god people are considering a 7 year old game as "Old". I myself would only consider that as like, just over "not new anymore". God I feel like an old man withering away and I was born in the PS1/Saturn/N64 era...
It’s also cause there isn’t a huge difference in an average game today and a long-lasting game that’s 7 years old. The industry is mostly afraid of taking risks and innovating now. Everybody is playing it safe so it’s just a homogenous smudge of Unreal Engine 5 garbage
I actually play game boy and other retro games these days, being surprised by how good they were. I had almost forgotten what it was like when games were just good without filler and other nonsense.
Part of the problem is that consumers don't know what they actually want, and devs keep listening to it, which is how World of Warcraft got to the point it's at now. But if you go back to a game that is comparatively simple and slow like Diablo 1, holy shit that game was well crafted even when you take into account the silly hangups it has. It looks like shit compared to D4, until you play it and realize that mounts and collectibles and skins, and affix swapping and white knuckle action are hollow and empty.
I'm legitimately a code junkie that by day pretends to love being an economist, so I can survive, with game development as a side project by night. I've been slowly making a game for several years on the side. This guy hits on a personal level. It fortifies my stance that I'm making a game I always wanted, and that it's a good strategy. If others want my game, great, that's who I'm doing it for.
Well I am not a developer myself yet but I would want to learn to make video games so I can be less dependent on others. Also making a fun game is joyful if you manage to make something what really entertain others. Scripting is something I do when I have time to make mod on games so slowly I can develop skills.
That was back when they had no choice. And from 100 games per console you can say that roughly 70% were unbalanced, unfinished and otherwise troubled. And there was no way to patch anything. That is why PC gamers did and still do consider themselves superior since they have the patch and fix solutions right behind them. Console gamers never had that. Well now we do and people complain. Insane.
@@niemand7811 Yeah nobody complains about patches. Its about adding or unlocking playable content in the game for a fee after making you buy an incomplete game.
Bruh... GTAV is from 2013. AC 2 from 2009 was already unfinished and had story DLC that was in the middle of the game. Games as a Service are not complete games. They are never finished. The last time games were complete was the PS2, Xbox, Cube era
One thing is many older games that remain popular do so because at the time they were considered groundbreaking and/or excellent in their gameplay, possibly mechanics, graphics and character and/or story development. Newer games attempt to use that classic reputation/cult following to give their new creation a good launch and starting customer base. Most do not succeed but some do. Balders Gate 3 was one of those that initial interest was from the following and reputation from the original Balders Gate 1 and 2 along with also still being a desired D&D ruleset- based game. Even though it was a different studio and decades later there was a lot of anticipation and excitement waiting for its release. Larian did hit it out of the park and created a game that really did not disappoint most of those who purchased it. Other older franchises that may not even be as mainstream but the original game left a mark in creativity and gameplay which made them into a classic also sometimes have newer sequels that do well. One was Company of Heroes also became a sort of classic in its gameplay style for a RTS war game. COH2 did well also but among the titles so far COH3 has not lived up to its older siblings in many aspects and gamers were expecting more out of the last installment. You could go on and on with different franchises that have followed such patterns. It helps older games tremendously that the pricing on these games during larger sale events on many sites throughout the year is so low. Even under $10 or under $5 can pick up a lot of titles that helps stretch a gamers budget a lot further. Then also when so many newer games initial launch the game not only expensive but is also such a buggy poorly optimized hot mess these so much cheaper older titles have had years of bug fixes, improved optimization, balance fixes where applicable and usually can be found even in bundles that include all the DLC available for the title again. And one other thing many do not really talk about a lot in addition to the great games at super pricing is even a lower mid range PC of today is much more powerful than the very best hardware available when these older classics originally released so playing these older games at maxed out settings many times runs like butter with high FPS where some of these less powerful systems would struggle to maintain even playable FPS on many newer titles even at lower game settings. When you really look at it you start to wonder why anyone even considers buying a new release game anymore!
Perfect example is WWF No Mercy vs any new WWE game. Back then it was a blast playing the game to unlock all the customizable content, new arenas, wrestlers etc. now you pay 70 bucks and they hide half the roster behind a season pass and other bs.
The best part was being able to have title fights with your mates... Had many a great evening with custom wrestlers battling it out for bragging rights.
You're right. They disrespect the younger generation by treating you like this. Reward good behavior by supporting developing companies that won't paywall block you.
Medal of honor died because it was so buggy on release you couldn't compete the first mission. Then by the time a patch came out a month later no one knew about it because social media wasn't like it is these days.
That was the start of a trend no one knew was coming. If you told my 8yo self that you'd buy a game and have to wait for a fix to play most of the game. I probably would have spat on you in disgust 😂😂😂
Love the medal of honor series. Despite above and beyond being quite; buggy, quirky, 160+gb!!! It was a very fun VR game to playthrough. Need another game similar to MoH: Rising Sun
The fact the games are "older" is only a surface observation, there were tons of old games that have since been forgotten. The difference is that "old" games that are still being played are the stand-outs. New games are competing with "hey I have this awesome game I put hundreds of hours into, do I wanna spend $70 on some new game that I'm not even sure I'll remember in a year or just save money and keep playing my owned games?" Companies need to realize they're competing with games from ten years ago and if they fail to deliver and improve on things from the past and make fun new things, they'll fail.
Yes. But I noticed so many new games are childish right now. There is a trend where games are made such that a grandmother and a toddler can both play it. As a gamer i feel alienated by 90% of the new games. Same reason why wow went downhill, dumbing game down=retail but to focused on endgame raids for pros. Alienating core audience.
I don't know how you're gonna say the reason Fortnite got so big was because it tried to be something different. Fortnite went viral for one reason: it was the first Battle Royale game that was both A) accessible, and B) free to play on all platforms. That's not experimental or anything, that's maybe the most literal interpretation of "pandering to the lowest common denominator" you can come up with.
I dont like live service games, i just want to play my games offline, meaning that if the companies dies my game will still works because is not dependant on the companies that created them. Also i don't want to be paying money for every feature the game has to offer, i just want to pay for the game once and get all it has to offer, no dlc that clearly are half of the game original content that was cut to then be sold as artificially new content to the game. This are some of the reason's of why old games are better at the moment.
Somewhere along the road new games just started leaving out features and functions that were considered standard on older games ie. Hosting a server on YOUR OWN hardware, playing games over a lan instead of only over the internet, adding ai players in a multiplayer game, modding and customization software that the developer included. It also seems like some older games have graphics that are as good yet they seem to run better because of meticulous optimization while developers making new games just expect you to have the best hardware at all times and they put no effort in making them run well.
There are only three options for me: 1) Really old games, as in 40 years old running on a Commodore 64 emulator 2) New games which are indie retro made to look like they are 40 years old 8bit games 3) Cyberpunk 2077
Morrowind was so much fun to mod. I remember as a kid making poison armour that'd kill merchants as they'd equip it when you sold it to them so you could freely steal their stuff, as well as making the spear a throwing weapon and a crossbow that shot pearls that'd explode into a massive fireball on impact 😅 that sort of freedom to mod really extends the life of a game
Another reason why older games are being played a lot more. People know they will not just suddenly stop working because of the Publisher stops a server for it. Even when New Technology causes problems, there are dedicated people out there, that is willing to put in a lot of work, to preserve the games. And it is made even easier with example GOG which often have already put in work, to make sure the games work on modern hardware.
This days they put an army to make trees more realistic (which didn't mean better looking). By opposite, I saw a lot of PIXEL games that are far better looking. "Realism" had become an obsession this days. They end up no focusing on the gameplay at all. (or even testing...)
Just moving and jumping around in Quake feels amazing. In modern games you feel like your character is walking through the mud with how sluggish and unrensponsive everything is. Too much bloat, poor optimization and VFX's flying all over the screen.
@@bobbobber4810 Good example of this is Mortal Kombat. In 1990's when Mortal Kombat first released they captured this dark and gritty atmosphere perfectly even with pixels and extremely limited engine. And now with all the freedom and modern engines in 2024 they failed to do that and made the game unrecognizable. Art style is more important than cool graphics.
Me an my coworker are older millennials and had this long discussion about Golden eye on n64 for an hour one day over how much game's have changed since then. We ended up playing the game soundtrack on the shop radio and reliving childhood memories. That shit was dope.
N64 was a great era. I miss the couch co-op era. Still playing Perfect Dark due to its awesome multiplayer same as Golden Eye. Sad everything is online now, miss the gaming in person as a group aspect. There are still a few games on Switch but it’s a lost game function now as devs can’t be bothered due to more work and it makes them more money if you each have to buy the game and pay for online functionality.
This is why developers are gonna start charging for how long you own the game. To them, ownership is killing their potential profits and we the consumer have to suffer the cut corners.
That's fine, the high seas exist for a reason. I don't pay for streaming services anymore, and if games want to go the same route then I won't pay there either
I think a huge problem is corporate bloat. A game shouldnt need to sell hundreds of millions of copys to be succesful. A game company doesnt need 1000 employees.
Absolutely. This supposedly happened with the valve index as well? Somehow considered not quite as successful as they wanted. (failure?) despite being sold out. I guess it didn't sell out fast enough? How come games need to sell 10 million copies just to break even? That's...quite the gamble for supposedly a game studio that's leans so much on stability and proven performance.
@@feldamar2 If you sell a game for 1$ and there's only 100 employees, and the game sells 10,000,000 million copies.. you could pay those employees 100,000$. Triple A games today cost 69$ so there's really no excuse.
@@agreeable-youth Yes, those are huge, and must be considered. And a company filled with bloat has considerably more of it. He was making a poorly written example of a real point. That those gaming companies are very bloated combined with unrealistic expectations of what you need to do to make a game right. A $400,000,000 budget to make a game is pretty crazy...and hard to manage.
This is an unpopular take versus the corporate greed & companies evil type take, but games have been around 60-70$ for around 15 years now yet the dollar has dropped a lot in value in that time.
1. If I want to throw away my money, I have a perfectly functional trash can, furnace & toilet at home. There's no point for me to think up an elaborate scheme to get rid of it. 2. If I want to throw away my time, I could always just walk in a circle outside of the house and I'm sure it'd be more fun than a lot of those time-waste simulators. And I'd get some exercise, which is a tangible benefit. ------ They have nothing to offer & grab at both my money and my lifespan, so I have no use for them. Meanwhile, there's still tons of old games I haven't played. The backlog is pretty large.
Notice the trend, most of the games at the top of the list were not intended to be the live service games today. They built a solid game and found a way to utilise the features into a live service e.g. fortnite and gta. All the companies who are going straight into making a live service games are missing the mark by focusing on features that provide revenue and longevity rather than making a solid game to expand on. The casual features is also very true. Being able to create a game that is easy to pick up, and more fun than stressful and time consuming is more attractive to a wider audience. Games that overload features and become complicated will stress a casual gamer out. Ive played games since ps1 days and i find i orefer games that i can chill out with more often than the hyper competitive games that often come with a toxic playerbase. Exactly like what he said: build an audience with a niche idea and construct, construct, construct.
I try the new games, run them in a couple hours but end up in the old good ones, I end up going back to poe and warframe for the last years... recently went back to c&c generals and theres like 20k players online constantly... The big crap here is that companies are trying to make games to take those top spots and invest heavily on live service but they dont really make a good game... they just innovate in new ways to steal your money.
2021-2023 I'd been playing a ton of PS3 games, (my system bugged out near the end of 23 and I just haven't gotten it fixed yet), the amount of quality games on that system is crazy. Dark Souls 1 and 2, Fallout 3 and New Vegas, Infamous, Dead Space, Just Cause 2, Disgaea 3 and 4, heck, even Sonic '06 with its bugs is a great game I'd replay any day. With all the half finished games that take months to beat if you want to fully experience them that we get nowadays, it's no surprise people jump to older titles.
"Old games" weren't just good at the time, they were just good. Today, we're going through live service Hell, and a lot of the "good ones" are only so for like a few hours after DAYS of play time
@@سالمالحجازى-و7غ You really can't figure out the connection between live service games wasting dozens of hours of your time through an extended lifespan in popularity and Fortnite being the "most played game"? Also, what exactly are you arguing here? That Fortnite is good because it's played more? Cuz if that's your take, then Pachinko is actually the most played game out there and that shit is old AF
@@سالمالحجازى-و7غ Most players like to get addicted to 1 game and play it endlessly. CS, LoL, Fortnite etc. Personally, that would be just too boring to me. I like variety.
Less bullshit filler content within the game is why. Simple. Direct. Fun. You don't have to spend 100 hours to level up to beat some boss. It's pure mechanical skill.
This explains why i am suddenly getting so popular among my peers...i stopped playing "modern games" way back...as it was becoming more "online" and less "offline" and i grew up with the on the couch with friends gaming experience... discovering multiple libraries of "free" games i never heard of was also a BIG PLUS... I mainly or almost only play -old- i mean classic titles... 99.99% of my gaming is emulation and has been for like 20 years So everybody asks me to help them with their emulation setups ...the nostalgia is strong... The only game i played that came out "recently" was KSP ... i have no interest in playing KSP2...from what i have seen... But recently i was dragged back into "modern gaming" by Helldivers 2 😂 for the first time in 20 years i care about a "new" game...crazy...
I've played nothing but old games for probably the past 10-ish years, with the occasional indie game thrown in. 1995-2015 was an absolutely magical golden age for gaming and there are so many thousands of games from that era that are just so much better than anything made today, and indie games are so fucking good now (and for the past few years).
@@jankmedia1985 I've gone since 2019 playing nothing but Vanilla WoW (not Classic - Vanilla only), a mod for a game that came out in 2009 and fucking Pokemon Blue on an emulator rofl.
I'm really glad to have grown up and played games through the 2000s and 2010s. I can't help feeling sorry for kids getting into gaming nowadays. Imagine the staples of your childhood being Fortnite and Apex Legends lol
Yeah he has been taking care of himself more lately. Going to doctors n shit, trying new food etc. I think he started to understand how fast you get old when you don't move much.
I wish Steam on the store page for games as well as on steam charts tracked the average amount of hours in games based on people who own it, as well as the total number of hours put into said games of all players combined. That would be a real way of showing what games truly see play and how much.
Older games are a threat to the current industry. They represent a standard of quality that the current industry refuses to meet or prioritize. This why they assault the ownership of games bought by the consumer.
No they arent. This video has an identity crisis, and is making a point of a nothing burger. Its literally all live service games that have been taken good care of over the years, and then theres some nintendo games.
Refuses, or perhaps, and/or can’t?
Maybe modern devs just don’t have the knowledge or intellectual capacity to make games good?
The amount of spaghetti code and code copypasted from wikis and lack of studio independent engines, a major aspect of older games, certainly speaks ill of the capabilities of the programmers. And the incompetence of the rest of team, well there’s probably thousands of videos covering that now.
@@ironboundfateYou completely fail to see the bigger picture. Game companies know old games are a threat to new games, a lot of them can't compete on quality anymore. You have to look where things are trending. Games requiring an internet connection, requiring you to be always online, requiring an account with their shitty site, Denuvo, content they can deprecate on a whim, limited number of installs... It's like Todd Howard bursting down your door and taking Skyrim off your shelf because he knows you aren't buying Starfailed.
Same with everything you can buy today. They can't make things to last or you'd never have reason to buy another.
Erase quality standards. If the new generation doesn't know how well made games once were, they will get used to whatever crap the modern industry sells to them.
1. cheaper
2. more accessible
3. years' worth of enjoyment
Well said. Back then games were games. Now they are real world bullshit.
Also years’ worth of patches to make sure it isn’t a buggy rushed shitshow like most games released nowadays
@@Lazydino59 sure, the patches also matter, but I mean, did retro games even have patches?
I wouldn't say this is true. I do play "new games" when they come out.
But they are mostly from Indie teams full of passion and void of _" The Message "_ as the *Critical Drinker* would say.
Have you even watched 2 seconds of the video at the time you typed the comment? they consider games from the past decade are "old." Like Fortnite or GTA5.
1:Complete experience
2:Focused more on gameplay
3:Usually optimized through time.
4:cheaper to buy
5:Many have no store, or items to pruchase of any meaningful value.
Wow that really sounds like fortnite. You know the game thats shown to be the most played old game on this list
@@im1085 lmfao. when i opened this i thought actual old games from 90s and early 2000s not these shit games how is gta v old? didnt that come out like 3 4 years ago?
Well i mean 2013 is pretty long ago @BG1435q
@@BG1435qhate to break this to you, gta 5 is over a decade old.
@@andrewb138 bro don't tell him that he's about to age fifty years from that statement alone!
Old games dont take up 250gb of my ssd because of all the modern textures
this might sound silly but it really matters. I can't always download fast and having 20/30/50/100gb games becomes a problem. Often when I want to play something right away, I end up downloading light and quick to launch games.
Mwa-ha-ha. The friggin Skyrim with mods requires about 50 GB on SSD. And it is the game from 2011.
@@zetalvx absolutely, i bought the first dishonored, with all the expansions and it was like 11gb.
@@Fogwell94 All the Mass Effect games were under 10gb. Even Bioshock Infinite, with all its graphics was like 15gb max iirc.
Just buy an extra hard drive lol it’s the people in the first place that want modern high end graphics let’s not complain for that as well
It’s because old games aren’t worried about NPC skin texture technology. But they focus on actual gameplay mechanics. Devs have become technology enthusiasts vs game developers.
Mines fortnight
Great games will maximize both.
@djtoxicdhg fortnight is really an odd one out because "old game" implies that the games are much older and usually the assumption they stopped getting big updates and usually just recieve small ones. Fortnight hasn't even been out for a full 6 years yet.
Skins seem like a pretty big focus for fortnite actually
I think of a million games released in the last couple years that are a way better time investment than Fortnite
Most of the time, older games respect our time far more then any modern live service.
modern day games try to capture you. So you grind and play all day, and whenever a bit of frustration is sprinkled in you are close to the shop button
And some games just don’t need a replacement. I’ve played rocket league for years. Nothing that comes out that is similar will get any traction. Why would I ever play Different league. The game play is great, anything worth me trying out would have to be so different it’s not even a direct competitor.
The closest thing I could think of would be a game like Twisted Metal, but that’s not even the same genre. It’s battling with cars not sports and acrobatics with cars.
They respect our wallets too
@@actuallyKriminell I like it when games capture me. Through immersion that is.
And they don't require a $2000 video card
Most of the newer games just feel like worse version of something i already played before.
Lol yup. Stripped down experiences with mtx storefronts thrown in your face
@@TheForbidden_1ne Yep, even the “one save slot unless you buy more” thing Metal Gear Survive pulled is back again.
Hell, even fast travel and character respec is a Mtx in Dragons Dogma 2.
the popularity of "old school" versions or HD remasters of old JRPGs is a clear example of that sentiment amongst players
@Virtualblueart tell me you've never played dragons dogma without telling me smh you just believe anything people tell you on the internet huh? Lmao
I simply like older games too. Some new ones, but often, I find myself playing indies or AA. But I really love games like Galaga or PAC-MAN. Even more obscure ones, like Mappy are fun on a rainy day.
The whole "entertainment that appeals to everyone" thing is killing everything. Games, movies, and shows that are "made for everyone" are still really not made for anyone except for only the people who like entertainment with "the message."
Don’t want to pay $70 for an unfinished base game they intentionally removed content from so they can sell it to you for an extra $30-50 in the Deluxe Golden Complete Premium Diamond Special Platinum Collection with ‘half-day’ early access and a “special mission” and “exclusive skin” both of which will inevitably be re-available in the 3rd Season of the Battle Pass (which you’ll have to spend another $10-30 on, depending if you get the normal or Elite Pass), forced to buy gems/credits/etc from their fully-working-at-launch shop to get the items I need to ACTUALLY play the game rather than spend hours grinding enough materials so I don’t immediately run out of stuff in the first mission, then pay more for DLCs which add the other intentionally removed content that should’ve been in the base game to make it fun.
This just about covers it! Truth!
I thought of Overwatch when reading your comment God I hate what's become of that game.
@@TheUnseenKrab i thought of diablo 4.
but i guess thats just blizzard
Yeah another thing is that "skins" don't exist anymore in games. You get very "common" skins, like for example turning gun/uniform light blue or something. All to entice you to buy the big skins for 2.99 (Or in the case of Warcraft, 30 dollars). The smaller skins you get are more common and only there to entice you to buy the pretty skins. There is no more "Do these challenges and unlock the Harlequin suit" or something.
There should be also unskippable ads lecturing about you beeing previleged to play this game. Japan and Korea save us from western gaming cancer...
You can usually get 9/10 games for dirt cheap. They won't all be triple A titles, but a lot of games that came out years ago could slap the shit out of new titles today.
I got Days Past for 9 bucks a few days ago, and holy fuck, the ROI is bonkers. I have loads of fun
right?! been playing thief that got for free on epic store and it's really polished. As a dishonored diehard fan it looks pretty similar and by that i say that graphics is outstanded by quality
It’s not true though, the top 5 games in the last 5 years are at least as good as the top 5 games in any other given 5 year timespan
I started playing Jetset Radio for the original Xbox recently. Low poly platformers are a great damn time and don't cost $70.
Some cheap games I recommend and how much they cost me roughly (don't remember the exact numbers because i bought most of them a while ago)
Bioshock collection £10
AC Ezio Collection £12
AC Syndicate, Black Flag and Unity collection £16
Most other AC games including the massive RPGs usually under £20
Witcher 3 £5
Jedi Fallen Order £12 but I have seen it drop lower to roughly £5
Titanfall 2 Ultimate Edition £4
Resident Evil 2 and 3 Remake £14
Batman Arkham Collection £8
All of these I recommend people play and they are worth way more than they are priced. Also some of them aren't that old. The biggest steals are probably the witcher 3, batman arkham collection and jedi fallen order in terms of number of hours per pound spent
In Eastern Europe people still play Counter Strike 1.6 and servers are full.
Still playing in 2024 😁 I love zombie maps 😁
With rtx 4090
@@ketsi3079 Why settle for anything sub 2500 fps these days I mean honestly
They're playing irl counterstrike now
@@dougler500 but refuse to pay 70$ game
Older games are like novels with great storytelling. Multiplayer isn’t everything
True, I avoid online multiplayer as hell. Only local coop multiplayer in front of the switch. I think many people love to play offline in single player mode...that must be why the Switch is such an succès...it's best selling titles are Mario Kart, Zelda series games ... old iconic stuff proped up ...but without ripping you off.
Yeah it's a shame online multiplayer has mostly killed good single player games
I dont want to buy the $120 preorder ultimate gold premium delux edition and buy a season pass, a subscription, and extra $60 dlc for an unfinished/bad game that will die next weekend
I remember when a GOTY version of a game came automatically with everything the game had to offer. Usually in the used section for $20.
But people are willing to upgrade 2000$ GPU every 1-2 years
@ketsi3079 thing is, most gamers resell cards before their 2nd hand value falls to much. Last time I sold a 970 for 200 bucks, bought a 2070 for 300 from zotac with a Newegg coupon. Now that nvidia has inflated msrp to insane levels that may not happen as often anymore.
@@ketsi3079who the fuck in their right mind upgrades a gpu for that much every 1-2 years. For less than 2000 dollars you would have bought a 2080 TI in 2018 and its still better than a 3070 TI by a small margin. Thats 6 years.. Same goes for other GPUs of its caliber, nowadays. They will last for 3-4 years if not more depending on your needs.
@@eliaslabanpeople with money lol
The one major difference between old and new games - older games were created by devs that wanted to make a fun game - period. All modern AAA games start off as a monetization scheme, then they hire devs to add video game elements to enhance this monetization scheme. Pretty much nobody ever said "I have some time this weekend, I'm gonna play a monetization scheme with video game elements!". Why choose to spend your time on something designed for your credit card as opposed to something designed for your enjoyment?
What's crazy is that if they actually just made good games that were fun, they would make tons of money because the entire reason people would want to give you money for a game in the first place is BECAUSE YOUR GAME IS FUN.
@@samuraieko5408that's why Helldivers 2 is so popular, it's a fun game. You can purchase cuurency if you want but doesn't really affect the gameplay plus you can make it very easily on your own.
Can we stop blaming game devs when it is the publishers fault like most of the time.
@@actualiygod6782yeah but the developers are their little minions that mindlessly put these things in their games too scared to disagree against the big guy. ITS THEIR FAULT TOO
@@toriseistofall they have to work man.
I 100% tell you these Triple A Publishers don't even play their games that's how you know it ain't made with love or passion just corporate greed.
Duh, of course most big publishers don't care, they didn't used to care either. What changed and is way more important is that even the studios themselves and the devs who are the ones developing the games don't play it! That is a big change. In fact, we see all the time studios who HATE their audience, and actively attacks them. Same goes for some devs, writers, etcetera, they actively attack their own players in order to pander to others and push their world view based in mental illness. I mean what do we think is going to happen when someone who hates us develops a game for people who dont even want to play their game, and a game that they don't care about or even play.
@@Kratos-eg7ez Studios attacking their own audience isn't much of an issue imo. What matters is the devs listening to their audience. Fallout 3 ignored the fanbases of fallout 1 and 2, because they just wanted to make another Oblivion. Whereas Obsidian, devs who came from CRPG roots, added in those missing story telling elements in New Vegas, fulfilling the demand. Guess what game receives endless praise on TH-cam, all with millions of views each.
Nexus has 600mil downloaded mods for New Vegas and 150m for Fallout 3.
Ummm, it's Quadruple A now, thankyouverymuch /s
That's how we got Redfall and Phil looking dumb founded it failed. Like how didn't he know he shilled the game and then we found out he didn't even look into it until after it failed.
Literally the problem. This is why indie game industry is rising. We actually listen to our players feedback and get involved in the community. AAA don't care just ran by boards and investors.
Older games are just worth it more..plus no micro transactions..and also no one preaching to you about gay and trans
Some old games did have transactions. Lmao
@@robertbonds6680 2018 games are not considered old games
@@cs.s7723 who mentioned 2018 I sure didn’t. 🤡
@@cs.s7723 I never mentioned 2018. Learn some common sense
@@robertbonds6680 You mean the practice of expansions and DLC?
Playing Bully on PS5. Whole game, earn all cosmetics in game and a full experience. Superior to all current open world games, only 10 bucks
My favorite Rockstar game. So good
100% a masterpiece.
I want a good remake, my brain can't cope with that old camera movement.
Warriors is the superior Rockstar game. I finished Bully 100% and never looked back. The world of that game felt empty after finishing it. Warriors on the other hand have some crazy content. After finishing the game, you unlock an arcade beat em up version that's equally fun
I still play Bully and San Andreas too lol
I've only really played GTA3 a ton back in the day, would I like Bully?
I paid $15 for Stardew Valley and ive gotten far more content from that than any AAA game ive played since then. Really says something about the industry when a 2D pixel graphics farming simulator made by a single guy is still better quality than these multi-million dollar AAA games they are trying to shove down are throats.
Edit: I actually spent $45 dollars on SDV because I later bought a copy for PlayStation and switch also. And you'll also commonly find SDV and Terraria for half off on steam.
While I don't remember how much I paid for Stardew Valley, I played for 1583 hours, and counting (started a new run with the 1.6 update). I think I got my money's worth!
$15 for Stardew Valley 6 years ago, free updates. Been playing Terraria with a buddy recently, checked transaction history, bought it 10 years ago for $2.50(!!!), also all free updates. Not counting an idle game(Melvor), those are my 3rd and 6th most played games on Steam, coming up on a nearly combined 1000 hours.
goated game
Gonna have a look at haunted chocolate factory?
@@utubenoob2.095 I know I will!
In Mario 64 you collect 120 stars and get to see Yoshi. In modern games 120 stars would give you nothing and it would cost $10 to see Yoshi.
Then he gives you something you don't need anymore.
Guys, did you played A Hat in Time? ;-)
@@chasejackson7248well live reset every time you load up a safe so easy 3 1 ups. Make sense to me.
Nah mario oddessy was recent and had tons of content and you can turn into yoshi for free
@@jordanstephens4178And half of the content was the equivalent of what previously would have just earned you coins and 1UPs being marketed just as important as meaty challenges.
Better quality and before games just became an investment opportunity for stakeholders
Capitalism ruined gaming.
This is what it is
@@nowayjosedanielAs it does everything.
Gaming became too big. It became normie. We basically need another crash like in the 70s but they simply make too much money for that to happen like then. There are too many dependents on gaming as well. It's like trying to make the tobacco industry crash.
Modern gaming started going downhill when it started to chase after Hollywood and now they suffer the same problem by way of bloated, mismanaged budgets and boring titles.
We used to have bad movie games following the storylines of movies with at least liked characters from said movies on the ps2 era.
Now we have bad games creating their own bad storyline with unlikable characters.
@@FREEDOMFIGHTER28s__Left__Dent Yeah pretty much.
@@FREEDOMFIGHTER28s__Left__Dent Peter Jackson's King Kong: The Official Game of the Movie
@@FREEDOMFIGHTER28s__Left__Dent it's like poetry, it rhymes
@@FREEDOMFIGHTER28s__Left__DentIronic.
The reason people play games is because they're fun. The reason companies make games is because they earn money. The dichotomy between the two is the root of all evil when it comes to bad AAA games. Publishers and decision-makers who probably don't even play games see dollar signs and then push developers to focus on amazing graphics to lure you in before shoving it out the door on schedule regardless of whether or not it's actually fun (or even ready for a stable release).
When World of Warcraft was still in development, I recall a forum post by a Blizzard employee explaining that they cannot announce a release ETA prior to it being feature-complete because they need to make sure everything is fun. If they don't consider an idea or feature to be fun, then they will scrap it and start over with something else. Game companies today need to learn from that. Don't make games for the money, make games for the fun and then money will follow.
So fun games make money but businesses are making unfun games in order to.. make money?
Why are there so many of you?
How do you reconcile that view with the fact that they actively undermine their brands and destroy their profitability? And that the people making these decisions are being put out of work, many of them never rich to begin with (e.g. community managers, broke freelancers who still have ridiculous amounts of influence, etc.)?
The thing to recognize about money is that it's ALWAYS a means, not an end unto itself. The end is whatever they gain from that money, which may or may not be something tangible. For instance, reputation, legacy, and control.
@@oldoddjobs Its the idea that businesses optimized most of the care of customers out of the decision process and leaves more hallow feelings to anyone who thinks longer than a brief period about the games they buy. They're selling us brands and memories then giving us sloppy work but due to the reputation of stuff like Sports Games and CoD being so solid and casual for so many years with people who don't really know better they just keep eating up the slop. Its entirely stupid of them to think people would stop buying shit because its "Not Fun" cus FIFA and EA Sports FC are on those lists and they're probably clunky awful shit games that still have many upon many playing and investing money into.
We'll never dredge ourselves out of this until game companies massively fuck up by taking too big of a step somewhere? Not sure where they'd do it but it would need to be BAD to pull the industry back to like 2000s/2010s era of pricing and thoughtfulness, all you can do is not entertain some parts of the industry and hope others don't as well at this rate.
i feel companies sometimes forget that the base of games is just having fun. once a game is fun it's easy enough to monetize. make a great game and then monetize it. don't make games around a monitization strategy.
@oldoddjobs what do you not understand it's simple? Before they focused on making the game fun too make money now they just focus on the money part
Maybe I don't wanna buy games that are $70+
With $20 dlc
And $130 bundles that allow you to play 3 days before release. Gross.
And pay for content to buy in game
Be 2 years in the past, all the games will be cheap, have all their patches done and dlc done
With season passes... On release dlc... On release skins that should have been items in the game you get via quests and skill...
Nothing beat StarCraft and old Final Fantasy for me, still, in 2024.
sc2 wipes the floor with 1. Plays the same but playable graphics.
Get into the Battlezone 98 remake. That's a fun as hell game.
StarCraft is goat
Command and Conquer. Kane lives.
This is the reason why many big companies fail to bring anything great to the table. They just play it safe and mostly copy everyone else in the industry. Big companies get too influenced by making money rather than making fun and good games.
Just like it was in the last 30 years or so, nothing changed. We had the mario clones, the doom clones, the COD clones etc etc... Once something works, everybody copies it. Playing it safe is absolutely not something new
@@omarsheriff51this is actually a very fair reply, and well put also. But...
There is also hope. Hope from companies that still take chances, and make the games that they want to play.
FromSoftware. I am looking at you...
They think making money = doing what's trendy,
- rather than doing something great that then naturally becomes a trendsetter
Assassin's Creed (OG) didn't follow any trends. It in fact did the opposite, it tried to venture where no one had gone before, and it arguably kickstarted the whole single-player open world scene. It wasn't the first to do this, but it was the first game that actually was truly original in this scene and was made from the ground up to be novel and interesting and fun to play.
Same with PUBG and Fortnite and Warzone respectively in their own niches of BR. Sure Warzone did kinda follow a trend, but it also was the first AAA studio produced title to go into this scene. Remember, PUBG was basically an indie project that blew up, and Fortnite was in the uber casual segment that didn't really compete directly with the field COD was/is occupying. But every game since them have just failed because they see the trend first and foremost. Battlefield failed miserably, twice. They tried BR and extraction only because it was popular, not because they thought their approach could bring something unique and fun to the scene.
They also like to ignore their QA teams.
You also forget that publisher push and push games out quicker and only care about the bottom line. Often game devs dont get the ability to make a good game anymore that often.
Cause almost every new game is following a similar trend. checking boxes, microtransactions, lack of creativity, taking no risks, changing stuff about previous IPs, and more.
Doesn't all of that apply to Sims 4, CS2, CoD and GTA 5 as well? Valorant and LoL were also not creative, they just ripped off CS GO and Dota.
its been the same game just reskinned for 10+ years now
@@__goat__ Yeah but most of the games you listed are good. They at least innovated a bit versus games today that can barely release in a non beta state and shove every leftist political point possible down your throat.
@@__goat__yea it does. GTA V gets a pass for the massive single player.
Sorry, not every game.
The problem with gamers nowadays is they care more about what most people play..... people forgot it's entertainment. You do you. You play to be entertained...It's like food, tv shows, etc. You don't compete to enjoy food. You don't need validation from most people to enjoy a certain tv show. You just enjoy what you enjoy. Now, people all want what most people play...
It’s sad that this is true of myself and I’ve had to catch myself with it and remind myself of how weird it is. It’s just been so ingrained through everything I didn’t even realize it was happening lol
Were only here because weve had over a decade of shit and now even the normies are pissed
It's not just that, popular games are probably played by your friends too, will have more youtube content and memes and whatnot.
Thats not really it, its always been that way. its more to do with you end up playing what all your friends are playing so you can play wit them or talk about it. Its like when a tv show becomes popular, everyone starts talking about it so you check it out o see what the fuss is about and then you talk about it. All these big franchises started that way, dave down the road played this game gta1, you play it and are like holy cow thats awesome so you are now play8ing it, your friend comes over and hes now playing it. Nothings changed
Well, as someone who was on the OG MW servers, i kept buying COD because I couldnt scratch that itch anywhere else. Eventually i stopped because i realized that even COD didnt scratch that itch anymore. I was chasing the feelings i had back in 2007-2011. It was impossible to do.
Its hard to get out of old habits and relearn to do something else even in video games. I had to kick my own ass to even get into baldur’s gate and i ended up loving it.
I completely changed my gaming habits a few years ago and it has made the hobby so much more enjoyable and relaxing. I swore off all online multi-player titles and those used to be my go to. I only play single player titles old and new now.
In the past two years I've played through all the Metroid Primes, Twilight Princess, Wind Waker, all of the FEAR games, all of the Bioshock titles, all of the modern Resident Evils, the System Shock Remake, Selaco, the first 3 Gears Of War games, etc. I could go on and on.
This has all lead to a hobby in my life that is incredibly positive and relaxing. I've been so immersed in these titles and get to escape my day to day stress for a just a bit of time before jumping back into the grind of life. I don't stress about raising my ranks in competitive titles, I'm not getting into arguments with toxic players, not yelling at my TV (lol). If you're feeling like gaming has become stale in your life give my process a try and see what it does for you. It's been awesome.
BIOSHOCK is one of the best games series I’ve played! Every single game had me hooked
@@dmtrspen Dude yes! Bioshock 2 is just pure thrills the whole ride. Fantatsic series
@@robertsturkey7656 hell yeah!! I’m going to replay all of them now 😂😂
Other factors for playing older games is the fact that you don't have to upgrade your PC in order to be able to play them well
Truth be told, I play mostly older games on my PC which has a 4070TI Super in it and an AMD 5950X. I honestly don't need that kind of power, but until a game comes along that needs that level of power and can go toe to toe with the gameplay and design that older games offer, I really don't care.
My daily driver laptop is 13 years old and runs things like Battlefield 2 beautifully on high graphics despite having the processing equivalent of a modern chromebook, and I absolutely love it.
Even then, the graphics of old games were the BEST they could offer. Today they just schill out some premade assets on UE5 or w/e. Every game looks the freaking same lol
@@Sterling_Silver04I still play Battlefield 2 too. Also through BF2hub? Amazing game. 😍
That's definitely a factor. I got that new Robocop game and it's brutal. A GTX 1070 can't get more than 30fps on the lowest settings at 720p and I don't feel like paying $2k for a new video card.
So if keeping franchises alive is so important, THEN WHY ARE GAMING COMPANIES KILLING OF THEIR OWN PRODUCTS LIKE THIER LIVES DEPENDED ON IT?!
I just think most games aren't made with the passion they used to have.
Good, keep digging
It's not only gaming companies, unfortunately. The DEI/ESG virus has spread across most industries by HR and marketing activists that are clueless about what it takes to drive a successful company or make a profit. It's like the kids that think that money are unlimited and everything is about them.
I'm becoming convinced that it's another deliberate effort to destroy or devalue the things that inspire people
It removes coemption for the new product. With each new AAA game released, they are charging more for less, and then selling you the parts to make whole game later.
I'm tired of gaming companies releasing unfinished games. Then they add microtransactions and DLCs a few months later when that content should've been there in the first place.
A few months later? How about those that have DLC available on release?
Name checks out
Bloodbowl 3 for example, it is so sad.
I love how everything 🇺🇸 is going this way. One person pulling all the strings.
@@rohnthom Every ubi game
If you're not enjoying modern gaming, here's a list of retro video games that I think everyone should play through at least once (I consider any game before the HD era in the 7th generation as retro):
1. Resident Evil 4 (2005)
2. Super Metroid
3. Super Mario Bros 3
4. Ninja Gaiden Black
5. Metal Gear Solid 1-3
6. Chrono Trigger
7. Metroid Prime
8. Devil May Cry 1&3
9. A Link to the Past
10. Ocarina of Time
11. Rondo of Blood.
12. Resident Evil 1 (1996) & Remake (2002)
13. Half Life 2
14. Deus Ex
15. Doom (1993)
16. Final Fantasy VI & VII (1997) & X
17. Resident Evil 2 (1998)
18. Silent Hill 2 (2001)
19. GTA Vice City & San Andreas
20. Super Mario World
21. Super Mario 64
22. Donkey Kong Country 2
23. Yoshi's Island
There are amazing games from the 7th generation as well (it's one of my favorite gens) but I don't really consider them retro. As someone who started gaming in the 3rd generation, I have to say, that run from the 4th generation to the 7th generation (1990 to 2011) is unmatched IMO. I honestly believe video games have already peaked during that run.
RE4 in the same "retro" list as super metroid makes me feel in a Twilight Zone episode.
Metal Gear Solid 3 Subsistence or HD Editions is an incredible experience and has mechanics I STILL haven't seen in any game since. Aside from that the story is a blast and the gameplay is an absolute joy.
Got any marvel themed top ones? Thats my thing. 1v1 crossovers
wow from that whole list the only good ones you named were the gtas and half life 2 💀
Symphony of the night and Dracula's curse if we're talking Castlevania
It’s nice being a strategy gamer, because the niche nature of the games tends to keep tourists away. The games gatekeep themselves.
RTS is ded (other than the old diehard communities kept together by people like Grubby). I'm sceptical about the "RTS revival" hypetrain, but we'll find out soon enough.
TBS players get charged through their nose - precisely because the genre is even more niche, while the games in it are _not at all_ cheap to make. Especially because Paradox(let's be honest, it's mainly Paradox these days) pays taxes in Sweden...well, that, and they know their main demographic is 25+, probably older, so they have the money. Not super happy about it, but at least I get worthwhile games.
@@AthenaTennosN lol they been saying RTS is de ad for decades now, fact is age of empires 2 is more played than every playstation game on pc, COMBINED!
@@AthenaTennosN not really at all, what do you consider rts? Manor lords is and would be considered RTS, and you have that Command and Conquer spirtual successor coming out soon, age of wonders 4 was recent, although more turn based, but turn based and real time tend to go hand in hand.. bg3 is a turn based strategy game.
@@MichaelMitreski yeah, its not dead at all.. not in the slightest, average total war players of all total war games combined is over 200k everyday
Zero K is the king of RTS and been out so long and all I need.
Old games feel like complete experiences and like real art, not some canned slop. I'm playing Age of Wonders 2 and Heroes of Might and Magic 3 atm and both these games are such a joy to play.
I've also been playing around with might and magic 3, my biggest complaint about replying titles this old is getting a nice resolution on the ultra wide monitor 😅 I hope you've got the GOG version and not the steam version 😊😊
I love cityscyline, dark souls and dragon dogma 2 and they are new games. I dont remember when i enjoyed this mutch of games that i am now
@@doodwasalreadytaken Oh yes, the steam version is shit. I play the gog version with the HD mod, runs like a charm😀
Age of wonders 4 is great though
Aow 4 is pretty fucking good. Homm3 was the fucking bomb back in the day, i gotta play it again
Demon Souls was small
Dark Souls was a breakout
Dark Souls 3 was a massive success
Elden Ring was an instant blockbuster
FromSoft made by sticking to their guns.
Devs, publisher - take note.
Everygame that fromsoft made after demons souls sold extremely well.
Yea even ds2 was solid, definitely felt off, compared to ds1, but was still a banger
@@thatarmswarrior DS2 is still a great game . One can argue it's the worst out of the 3 dark souls but i love it as much as 1
@@theteamxxx3142 agreed, it's my favorite in all honesty, I kinda love the disjointed interconnected map, like you're living in a true hellscape that twists and transforms and just keeps throwing stuff at you
Dark Souls 2 is a gem, git gud
1. Micro Transactions
2. Battle Passes
3. Being Glitchy Up the Hole
Granted there were still a fair amount of great games that got released in 2023, RE4-make Baldur's Gate 3, Pikmin 4, Fire Emblem Engage, Legend of Zelda: Tears of the Kingdom, Spider-Man 2, & Hi-Fi Rush
Notice how none of the qualities I listed made into that list
Literally spent hours last night playing Tetris on the Gameboy.
My best mate literally said the other day "I just want to play a simple game. Too many new ones now are so epic and demand so much time".
My 3DS gets the most playtime in the house. Tetris, Advance Wars, Mario games… Genius in their simplicity and just satisfying to play. The greatest handheld ever made, imo. Nintendo could have kept that thing alive forever.
@MrD3000 honestly. I remember buying the gameboy advance. I absolutely rinsed that thing dry. One of my favourite handheld devices.
I hate the multiple currencies and ridiculous foraging and crafting systems
I just want a game without woke indoctrination, male shaming and no microtransactions involved, it's so hard to make nowadays????
My wife gives me shit because the game I mostly play is Tetris 99 on my switch. Yes I paid up for a switch. Yes I have an insane library of thousands of games for most consoles. Yes I’m playing the free Tetris game.
Cause older games were pieces of art and newer ones are just content.
🎯
This.
There's clearly survivorship bias. 99% of games released in the last decade are dead and forgotten about, just like 99% of modern games.
newer games are really patches and mods of the old games
@jesperjohansson6959 I agree to this coz u cam only see star cade series from John Tron to see the majority of games
Medieval II: Total War is one of those time portal games where once you step in, there's no knowing how much time will have passed when you step out.
Like a good book. Still playing it
I still play MTW2 and empire and occassionaly RTW2. Refuse to play any of the new ones.
still waiting for M3TW and i hope they wont fuck it up.
I always go back to medieval 2 and shogun 2 from time to time 😊
@@inopnatum With how CA have become. *YOU WILL* be disappointed in a M3TW that they make. They have fallen to great levels of incompetence.
Im always playing some of these old "Forever" games Fallout 4, Destiny 2, No Mans Sky.. to name some, they are the gift that keeps on giving
New games are too gay
You mean you’re not a fan of trans black samurai assassins creed ?
@@n8t3b1t6guess thats what he means bro
Helldivers is good fun but its already starting to panda
No, don't bring you culture war to our games. Just stop!
@@user-bz5io6ph8w it has been in games for ages now, lol. just take a look around stormwind city in wow or the end of telltales TWD games
Old game didn’t have bullshit from SBI shoved into them.
SBI?
@@El_Crazyknight Sweet Baby Inc
@@thespiralgamer5374 The boogeyman isn't going to hurt you
@@Davethawave1999 Yes they are, and they sure did burn half the game industry down.
@@Davethawave1999 you will try justify their behavior because you agree with them politically.
Need for Speed Underground 2 is 20 years old.... Still has more replay value than a lot of today's releases
underground is garbage...need for speed remake is the good one
@@divacroft1034So you’re bad at driving is what I heard. They’re all arcade but anything after carbon is extra arcade shit.
Remembering when NFS separated the handbrake from the foot brake
Most wanted was my favorite
@@adamboise3907 that one was terrible too
It's the same deal with cars. Older cars:
- are built to actually last (they can easily outlast you, unlike newer cars that are actually cheaper to buy new than bother repairing)
- are sturdier to survive a crash in (they don't disintegrate even on a minor impact)
- are cheaper to buy and maintain (because they have already been devalued and don't require asshole middlemen to be purchased)
- are easier to actually find parts for (not having to wait up to two weeks for delivery)
- can be repaired by anyone with even the modest knowledge in mechanics
- do not actually require original parts all the time (sometimes patchwork is better than original work)
- don't require an IT engineer to diagnose what the hell is wrong with them
- don't have twenty kilometers of wiring wrapped all over it you need a mechanic with an electrical doctorate to work on it
- don't blackmail you to change your oil at the official distributer or else they will refuse to work
- don't require the latest and the most expensive fuel to run
- can be actually driven even when damaged (unlike some newer cars that flatout refuse to start if they detect certain issues)
- actually have character (unlike newer cars which are just bland and soulless)
... the list goes on.
PS EDIT: Most newer cars are designed to be as expendable as possible, they get the job done right about until the time their waranty expires, after the moment when they start breaking down the consumer is actively encouraged to ditch it at the nearest junkyard or trade it in for an even newer and even more expendable one.
Almost everything you said is just not true. Modern cars last longer and are 1000 times safer than cars built pre early 2000s.
@@God__Emperor_well it depends really yes newer cars a safer but not to pedestrians, and older cars will outlive a newer car more generally depending on which makes and models etc etc but for example a Toyota Corolla from the 70s will last longer then a Mini Cooper year 2000- and up a old Honda accord from 2004 will last much longer then any bmw or Mercedes or Kia or ford that comes out of factory today, look at jeep cherokees those things don’t last more then 10 years on the road
@@thatguy8012 you seem to know a bit about car, is there any reason why i can't by say.... a 2007 Camry produced today with modern efficient factories for 5000$?
Why hasn't anyone produced cars under 10k yet? considering how much we can scale and reduce cost compared to 20-30-40 years ago.
There's gotta be a market for people who don't want an ipad in the middle of their dash
that's because if you want a 2007 camry, you can just go and buy a 2007 camry. People buying new cars want features of new cars most of the time
this is correct. computer analytics showed them make cars that need to be replaced. they got so good, people really didn't need to get rid of them. ICE work almost forever if used daily with regular cheap maintenance. they learned their lesson and now make cars to fail after time, and load them with technology that will die and make the car unusable.
The modern gaming world is in a post-apocalyptic state where aside from a very few oasis, everything that comes out just adds more to the growing wasteland of broken hopes... Old games look like technological and artistic miracles compared to most of the soulless slop they're so proud of overpricing nowadays
most of the games on those most played lits are freemium slop made to milk people
This year alone has been banger after banger and we have stellar blade and senuas saga, which, not for me personally, I know a lot of people are looking forward to. This is following a year of titles that have been killing it. The trash is there but it's where it belongs. Suicide squad anyone? For spoken? Saints row? That's probably 3 closed studios back to back to hopefully back because fuck rocksteady
Damn bro, thank you for the insightful comment
I'm hoping any of the 3 big MMOs I'm anticipating are going to be worthwhile and I can put years of gameplay into them and constitute supporting them, but my cynical side is telling me 1 out of 3 is an impossible ask. I may just have to keep playing RuneScape.
@@ZagZagro It looks like most games these days are cartoony and childlike compared to the influx of mature franchises we got in the past like gears of war, halo etc
Stellar Blade just looks like Bayonetta/Nier to me with no new mechanics
All mechanics at this point are rehashed from the past
When I was a kid I thought we would get games were we can wage mech space battles and expand our government while piloting mechs over at least 20 worlds
Instead I got starfield......
I'm still playing on my Xbox 360. Games like Crysis 2, Gears of War 3, Borderlands 2, and Skyrim.
“Gears! Move out!”
Bro... My SNES is literally hooked up to a projector in my bedroom with 3 drawers full of games I haven't beat yet. I don't want to talk about my hacked PS2.
@@HeiligerGrimmnir🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@HeiligerGrimmnirdude, you're set. Living like a king
Omg i still have Gears on my 360 and love it. I wish they would release Gears 1-3 on PC allready.
Oh thank god, I thought it was only me. I've been playing classic games like Red Alert 2, Burnout 3, NFS Most Wanted (2005), Vigilante 8 & Twisted Metal nowadays. It's the charm of old games that brings enjoyment to me that modern games don't replicate, imo.
Red alert 2 still slaps. Just sucks to use ea launcher lol
@@scottyboatright I use CNCNet as my main way to play the game now. Works well on modern system.
Just wait until your Skyrim phase starts again.
Even the DS ports of the NFS games went hard. If you remember the quality of DS versions of console games, you will realise how crazy this is
@@gamingsuperun I didn't played the DS version but I did play and liking the GBA version of NFS U2 and Underground Rivals on PSP. Those were strange and simple times.
I miss single player games with NO ONLINE REQUIREMENTS
Today's Market = $80 for a Beta version of the game with patch support and a $140 DLC in the future whilst current bugs and issues still exist.
This is today's gaming experience.
Old games polish their games before release and patching was only done to fix SMALL issues, now it's been made into an industry to distribute WHOLE GAME FILES.
facts
- or just wait 8mo and buy the gold edition with all DLC and included patches for $30. I haven't bought a full price game in years. The silver-lining of an oversaturated market. There are exceptions ofc (Nintendo First-Party titles & BG3) but 90% of the market falls into this pattern.
A player could have a blast playing hundreds of Doom WAD's for free.
I also want to point out a thing that many may not even talk about: older games sometimes are just comfortable to play. No matter how many new Resident Evil games come out there is only one obligatory yearly run of RE 4, and so many franchises have that same thing where there is that one game that people consider peak and stick to it as their comfort fallback.
What about RES 1-3? Those are older games but they aren't obligatory yearly runs?
@@GeorgeMonet Comfort games probably means what they played as a kid. (Also damn RE 1 and 2 have not aged well so I would not blame anyone for not picking that up again)
I've played through the entire Battle For Middle Earth campaign about 20 times in my life. Cozy games are so repeatable and comfy and familiar (Second Wind video was great on this topic).
@@GeorgeMonet RE3 is definately a 2 year run, just to savor Nemesis from time to time. RE1 and 2 - eh, maybe remakes but not yearly that's for sure. Also, sleeper pick - Revelations 2 for the raid mode. That game is straight up crack for my RE gameplay craving.
@@TheNeonLynxGonna disagree with you there. RE1 hasn't aged super well, sure, since the remake has rendered it completely obsolete, but OG RE2 is just a better, more coherent game than its remake. RE2 Remake is so clearly unfinished, and it's sorely lacking the atmosphere that only fixed camera angles and pre-rendered backgrounds can provide.
Listening to interviews now with developers of big hit classics from the '90s/2000s, I keep seeing the same things: relatively small teams, and absurdly unrestricted creative freedom to the point where the game shipped with things that only one team member was even aware of.
The really sad thing is that I don't think going back to that would even work anymore. The industry is no longer populated with people who have the talent or integrity for that environment.
We also don't really have A or AA studios at all now; that dynamic is completely gone. Everything is either AAA or indie, and personally I'm sick of both albeit for different reasons.
100% this. The current industry lacks the people required for good games. You need people who have integrity and love for the common gamer.
Same. Everything is either over-the-top, bloated-budget photorealistic bombast, or no-budget pixel-trash headed straight for Humble Bundle/Game Pass. How about just... a reasonable medium?
@@Cryptic0013 Yeah, the pixel shit is only popular because it's so accessible for developers with no resources. Nobody is actually nostalgic for it. I'm freaking 35 and that 8-bit pixel aesthetic is still easily 5-10 years before my time.
That sucks for consoles. Steam has A and AA studios as well as unlimited indies that could be the next A or AA studio.
@@saikimayu Yeah, Josh Strife Hayes said it best when he pointed out that Symphony of the Night and A Link to the Past still look good today because, in the XX-bit era, devs were doing absolutely everything they could with very limited resources, so they leaned into art style.
Nowadays, "pixel shit" looks terrible because those devs are, instead, doing the *least* they can get away with, despite having nearly unlimited compute resources, because they have no style. Then they try to pass it off as "nostalgic"
I've been rotating, minecraft. Cyberpunk, fallout 4 and elden ring till I get bored
Its the same with me for Minecraft, Cyberpunk, Genshin Impact, Honkai Starrail and Sekiro for me.
I like a full game when I purchase it 😂
Nothing like having a dlc at launch.
🤮
Sorry bub. You have to wait for the day 1 200GB patch.
Buy games after a year:
* Cheaper
* With DLCs
* With real reviews
* With mods
@@igorthelight or ignore the new trash games altogether. That is even cheaper!
@@majorgear1021 There are 2-3 good games every year. Some of them are AAA, AA and even indies ;-)
New games are garbage. You don't feel like you're playing a game, but more like doing homework and assignments
This.. 💯
*Playing Dragon's Dogma 1*
I wouldn't mind playing DD2 right about now >_>
100% Almost all modern games feels like work. Its insane.
It's because they'd rather try to use gimmicks to trick you into playing long hours than they would just making a good game. What they want to do is slowly bring everyone into a subscription model so you can't own games you can only subscribe monthly with your subscription ability being tied to your social credit score.
Fr😢, thats what I feel with ghost recon breakpoint
I get turned off when I have to sign in to an extra account to play a game by myself, for example I wanted to play a golf game but the game doesnt save your progress in single player mode unless you connect to the server, what the fuck is that? why cant I do single player seasons by myself in a golf game?
Shhhhhh!
Stop talking reason, and logic...
Consume product how we say. Ya got that?!?
😂😂
Because that game has multiplayer or at the very least, some form of online connectivity that requires the developers to collect/ request/ send data.
@@Xgil2Play Yes. Why does the game need to be designed to require server information for single player? There are many games that don't need to do that at all. You missed the point entirely and dropped into being a pathetic pedant.
@@liwojenkins I answered that question in my previous comment. Re-read it; it's in English.
Just consume product and buy the next one. Repeat endlessly.
Maybe if modern games weren't beyond woke, more men (primary gamers) would buy and play them.
That's too complicated to understand, though.
Of course we are playing older games are you kidding me, who wouldn't play a good game thats $60 at most and probably is on sale regardless of the original price and even if it is full price it's still a good game
me reading this as i play diablo 1 , "yep thats true "
It's always bothered me no matter how many years pass, all older COD games are still sold at full price. Like nobody is going to buy Ghosts or advanced warfare for 60$, also shame on you if you think ghost was ever good.
Same with older pokemon titles.
I mean the most popular ones are all free so this isn't a bad take but an inaccurate one
@@cristianfairley4186 what are you referencing?
@@christianedwards9025 Fortnite apex legends league of legends cs2 valorant pubg.. the list goes on.
Warzone.. felt this needed to be added just to really show its every Uber popular game is free.
Same reason I watch mostly old movies
I watched "The Ninth Gate" last week and it was refreshing. For a silly destraction of balance, I then watched "The Court Jester" starring Danny Kay; story driven films that do not attempt to change anything. Cheers.
Agreed. Young Guns is fantastic.
Big trouble in little china
Don't dismiss foreign movies either. There's still a lot of great stuff being made all around the world.
so true.... today 99% of movies will have a woke message. its so boring and lame.
we just want to see good stories......... not political propaganda
Remove live service titles and re-do the survey.
I feel like live service games are for normal gamers whereas the more classical or hardcore gamers prefer single player games
Normal people* and gamers play what you mention
Nah bro, CS and Valorant keep me sane. Live service isn’t some horrific thing, it’s just that most new “games” are a cash shop in disguise
even looking at Steam stats most player SP games are mostly made 4-10 years ago.
And remove dei,ESG and activists from the industry
I just play whatever sounds fun. Which is mainly older games. I've been playing games like stronghold or command and conquer, and it's been a blast.
Some older games like fallout and system shock, deus ex, they haven't aged perfectly but if you sit with them for a couple hours you will be hopelessly hooked despite their age
Not for me. The only Fallout game I like is FO4 and that is because it isn't a Fallout game.
@@GeorgeMonet that's probably because it had more modern gameplay mechanics
@@GeorgeMonet different strokes i spose. i didnt like fallout 4
@@GeorgeMonet how someone can enjoy fallout 4 and not new vegas and 3 is wild to me
I remember back in 2004 that I watched the making-of-documentary of Halo 2, that came out in the Collector's Edition as an extra DVD. I remember Joseph Staten, writer and director of the game, when they came out with the E3 2003 demo he said "we came to the E3 with a demo, not with a playable part of the game, and in its current state the game is not fun so we need to rethink the whole project". You don't see that anymore, developers actually thinking about games being fun, games are just cashgrabs now and you can see it by tons of games coming out every day, we are living in the shovelware days of the Wii, but for the whole industry.
It's not just the fun aspect. Look up the documentaries for the German cult games series Gothic. The original developer were dedicated computer scientist, who were interested in creating their own 3D engiene and they had an actual drive to make their game different and unique from other RPGs on the market at the time. You look at todays diversity hire developers and you are happy if they can eat with a spoon without losing an eye.
Only company that’s actually done the whole “we’re starting again cause we don’t think is fun.” Now Is nintendo and that was with MP4.
22:17 - Its irritated me for years in hearing people profess that Wrath was the best WoW expansion. It simply wasn't and your reasoning here is spot on. Wrath was when WoW stopped growing and it dumbed down a lot of the challenge on things.
I recently revisited: Arkham City, Max Payne 3 and Deus Ex mankind divided.
Absolute masterpieces on all front (gameplay, music, animation, storytelling...)
All often on sale under 10$.
Correct on all 3, Max Payne is amazing, more people should go back and play it.
The original deus ex is one of the best games ever made. Way better the invisible war and the two new prequels. JC Denton in the fresh!
@@haroldfranklin3670 First play though, JC's bro told me to run out of the flat and I did and he died.
Next play though, "Fuck this, I'm not leaving my bro" Saved him and he was in the whole game after! MIND BLOWN!
What a game.
@@All_Hail_Chael absolutely, original is probably the SP game I finished the most amount of times because I was curious to see what would happen if X Y Z was done differently.
Been playing a bit of mankind divided lately and while the consequences of certain choices don't impact the main story all that much, I'm still surprised to find pretty elaborate side quests or interesting areas
Max payne yess
I've had a hell of a time getting my younger friends to play older games. Really good ones. And not even that much older, I'm talking Portal 1 and 2. Binding of Isaac. They usually play for a couple hours then lose interest, and aren't really paying attention to any of the plot. At the risk of sounding like an old man, I think they just don't have the attention span. If there isn't constantly something happening, a live service that all their friends are playing with a hundred skins and frequent events - well, what's the point of learning a brand new game that they'll just _finish_ in a few hours?
It's a real shame because they're robbing themselves of experiencing some of the best games ever made, and being conditioned to accept sub-par products from companies that are trying to wring out the maximum amount of cash for the minimum amount of effort.
Honestly though, i feel this one.
A bit off-topic, but i dated a girl some years back, i was 23 and she was 21 at the time. The difference is not that much, but i am one of the first zoomers('97), and the difference between me and my later generational comrades is immense! So i went down to sit and watch Alien with her, the 1979 movie. It's a fucking masterpiece.
She called it boring, because nothing happened until halfway through the movie. Just started browsing her phone like 15 minutes in.
halfway through we just stopped watching, because she wasn't having it. And she generally loves sci-fi and horror.
I have ADD, my attention span is atrocious, but even i can admire the building tension and story. The writing and camera work is simply spot-on. Especially if you like the genre.
We might be getting old, but i didn't need a subway-surfer in-screen to enjoy one of the best movies ever made.
@@RePeLSTeeLTJe--Tbh I agree that its hard to stay enraptured by many movies. But tbh Id say its mostly either because the movie is mediocre or not my type. Doesnt matter if its old or new.
Alien specifically I had no trouble keeping my eyes on all the way through back when I watched it some years ago with a girl about your age, Im born 01 myself.
@@RePeLSTeeLTJe-- Even I could admit that half a movie of only building tension is too much. Alien might not be the best example as much as I like it but your totally on point.
That Black Mirror episode with the bikes becomes more real as time passes, and this new generation is being conditioned to be just like that, dopamine addicts with no atention spam, willing to do everything for entertainment.
whenever a new player comes on an mmo i know well and asks ''how long will it take me to reach endgame?'' my reply is always ''you wont...you'll get bored 20% in because theres not enough bells and whistles and call it a bad game like most others before''
Oh god people are considering a 7 year old game as "Old". I myself would only consider that as like, just over "not new anymore".
God I feel like an old man withering away and I was born in the PS1/Saturn/N64 era...
Haha, I was thinking the same thing. Here I am playing a romhack of Super Metroid and people are talking about Fortnite being old. Gimme a break.
It’s also cause there isn’t a huge difference in an average game today and a long-lasting game that’s 7 years old.
The industry is mostly afraid of taking risks and innovating now. Everybody is playing it safe so it’s just a homogenous smudge of Unreal Engine 5 garbage
I am still nostalgic to GTA San Andreas.
Kids born when the game released ar at school already and that's crazy to me
Im literally playing PS1 games on emulator
New game: $60
2-3 year old game: $15-20 on a Steam sale
that's my reason anyway
I actually play game boy and other retro games these days, being surprised by how good they were. I had almost forgotten what it was like when games were just good without filler and other nonsense.
Lol or when games couldn’t afford the space for filler cuz they were counting megabytes.
Oh yeah, gameboy has a lot of good games.
Part of the problem is that consumers don't know what they actually want, and devs keep listening to it, which is how World of Warcraft got to the point it's at now. But if you go back to a game that is comparatively simple and slow like Diablo 1, holy shit that game was well crafted even when you take into account the silly hangups it has. It looks like shit compared to D4, until you play it and realize that mounts and collectibles and skins, and affix swapping and white knuckle action are hollow and empty.
@@orangegalenor in the case of Gameboy, kilobytes lol…
Hey ye Gameboy is very good
I'm legitimately a code junkie that by day pretends to love being an economist, so I can survive, with game development as a side project by night. I've been slowly making a game for several years on the side. This guy hits on a personal level. It fortifies my stance that I'm making a game I always wanted, and that it's a good strategy. If others want my game, great, that's who I'm doing it for.
Care to share the theme and genre? :)
Well I am not a developer myself yet but I would want to learn to make video games so I can be less dependent on others. Also making a fun game is joyful if you manage to make something what really entertain others. Scripting is something I do when I have time to make mod on games so slowly I can develop skills.
My thoughts exactly @@tbone9474
Take you time and make it fun, it'll sell.
That's similar to what KEIZO did with Ast Libra Revision. I think it took 16 or 17 years, but the game is great and I've played the crap out of it 😎👌!
Back when u bought a ACTUAL COMPLETE GAME .
That was back when they had no choice. And from 100 games per console you can say that roughly 70% were unbalanced, unfinished and otherwise troubled. And there was no way to patch anything. That is why PC gamers did and still do consider themselves superior since they have the patch and fix solutions right behind them. Console gamers never had that. Well now we do and people complain. Insane.
@@niemand7811 Yeah nobody complains about patches. Its about adding or unlocking playable content in the game for a fee after making you buy an incomplete game.
Bruh... GTAV is from 2013. AC 2 from 2009 was already unfinished and had story DLC that was in the middle of the game. Games as a Service are not complete games. They are never finished. The last time games were complete was the PS2, Xbox, Cube era
One thing is many older games that remain popular do so because at the time they were considered groundbreaking and/or excellent in their gameplay, possibly mechanics, graphics and character and/or story development.
Newer games attempt to use that classic reputation/cult following to give their new creation a good launch and starting customer base.
Most do not succeed but some do.
Balders Gate 3 was one of those that initial interest was from the following and reputation from the original Balders Gate 1 and 2 along with also still being a desired D&D ruleset- based game.
Even though it was a different studio and decades later there was a lot of anticipation and excitement waiting for its release.
Larian did hit it out of the park and created a game that really did not disappoint most of those who purchased it.
Other older franchises that may not even be as mainstream but the original game left a mark in creativity and gameplay which made them into a classic also sometimes have newer sequels that do well.
One was Company of Heroes also became a sort of classic in its gameplay style for a RTS war game.
COH2 did well also but among the titles so far COH3 has not lived up to its older siblings in many aspects and gamers were expecting more out of the last installment.
You could go on and on with different franchises that have followed such patterns.
It helps older games tremendously that the pricing on these games during larger sale events on many sites throughout the year is so low.
Even under $10 or under $5 can pick up a lot of titles that helps stretch a gamers budget a lot further.
Then also when so many newer games initial launch the game not only expensive but is also such a buggy poorly optimized hot mess these so much cheaper older titles have had years of bug fixes, improved optimization, balance fixes where applicable and usually can be found even in bundles that include all the DLC available for the title again.
And one other thing many do not really talk about a lot in addition to the great games at super pricing is even a lower mid range PC of today is much more powerful than the very best hardware available when these older classics originally released so playing these older games at maxed out settings many times runs like butter with high FPS where some of these less powerful systems would struggle to maintain even playable FPS on many newer titles even at lower game settings.
When you really look at it you start to wonder why anyone even considers buying a new release game anymore!
Perfect example is WWF No Mercy vs any new WWE game. Back then it was a blast playing the game to unlock all the customizable content, new arenas, wrestlers etc. now you pay 70 bucks and they hide half the roster behind a season pass and other bs.
No Mercy was amazing. Played that game for hours on end
Dude, I still jump into that game from time to time. It's one of the few reasons I still have my N64.
The best part was being able to have title fights with your mates...
Had many a great evening with custom wrestlers battling it out for bragging rights.
You're right. They disrespect the younger generation by treating you like this. Reward good behavior by supporting developing companies that won't paywall block you.
Duuuuuude me and my brother fucking loved No Mercy.
Medal of honor died because it was so buggy on release you couldn't compete the first mission. Then by the time a patch came out a month later no one knew about it because social media wasn't like it is these days.
I miss the MoH series every day... No other game took WW2 and turned it into cinema quite like that game
That was the start of a trend no one knew was coming. If you told my 8yo self that you'd buy a game and have to wait for a fix to play most of the game. I probably would have spat on you in disgust 😂😂😂
@@Lunamanahell let loose is fantastic on the multiplayer side
Love the medal of honor series. Despite above and beyond being quite; buggy, quirky, 160+gb!!! It was a very fun VR game to playthrough. Need another game similar to MoH: Rising Sun
Medal of Honor games on the original Xbox blow any CoD or Battlefield out of the water
The fact the games are "older" is only a surface observation, there were tons of old games that have since been forgotten. The difference is that "old" games that are still being played are the stand-outs. New games are competing with "hey I have this awesome game I put hundreds of hours into, do I wanna spend $70 on some new game that I'm not even sure I'll remember in a year or just save money and keep playing my owned games?" Companies need to realize they're competing with games from ten years ago and if they fail to deliver and improve on things from the past and make fun new things, they'll fail.
Yes. But I noticed so many new games are childish right now. There is a trend where games are made such that a grandmother and a toddler can both play it. As a gamer i feel alienated by 90% of the new games.
Same reason why wow went downhill, dumbing game down=retail but to focused on endgame raids for pros. Alienating core audience.
Exactly they are competing with the past. Look at rocksteady: I rather play arkham city again than the new one.
Doesn't change the fact theres less good games now but theres more good in the past
I don't know how you're gonna say the reason Fortnite got so big was because it tried to be something different. Fortnite went viral for one reason: it was the first Battle Royale game that was both A) accessible, and B) free to play on all platforms. That's not experimental or anything, that's maybe the most literal interpretation of "pandering to the lowest common denominator" you can come up with.
I dont like live service games, i just want to play my games offline, meaning that if the companies dies my game will still works because is not dependant on the companies that created them. Also i don't want to be paying money for every feature the game has to offer, i just want to pay for the game once and get all it has to offer, no dlc that clearly are half of the game original content that was cut to then be sold as artificially new content to the game. This are some of the reason's of why old games are better at the moment.
I'm finaly playing through Final Fantasy 7 & 8. With older games you at least know which ones are quality
Have you ever played ff6? While the graphics weren't great even in the remake the story is solid and has multiple endings.
with older games, you also know which ones are quality.
Same, finally decided to play legend of dragoon, ff 8 is next and then ff7
@@Baccanaso
Don't sleep on FF6 and Chrono Trigger.
FF9 is solid too
Somewhere along the road new games just started leaving out features and functions that were considered standard on older games ie. Hosting a server on YOUR OWN hardware, playing games over a lan instead of only over the internet, adding ai players in a multiplayer game, modding and customization software that the developer included. It also seems like some older games have graphics that are as good yet they seem to run better because of meticulous optimization while developers making new games just expect you to have the best hardware at all times and they put no effort in making them run well.
This Is the main reason I'm playing old games is performance of the old games😂 newer games can't even get above 60/80fps
...and then you have to buy a subscription because they have pay for the servers to host your games.
There are only three options for me:
1) Really old games, as in 40 years old running on a Commodore 64 emulator
2) New games which are indie retro made to look like they are 40 years old 8bit games
3) Cyberpunk 2077
Morrowind, Skyrim, Fallout, Elden Ring, Baldur's Gate, Minecraft, Terraria, Fortnite, Genshin, GTA. Games you can just keep coming back to.
I come back to genshin not because of gameplay but for lore
Morrowind was so much fun to mod. I remember as a kid making poison armour that'd kill merchants as they'd equip it when you sold it to them so you could freely steal their stuff, as well as making the spear a throwing weapon and a crossbow that shot pearls that'd explode into a massive fireball on impact 😅 that sort of freedom to mod really extends the life of a game
Terraria and Minecraft have always been my go to games. Mods make them so replayable.
RuneScape
Skyrim and fallout 4 in vr gives you yet another reason to re-visit them.
I haven't bought a game when it's new in a long, long time.
I haven't bought a new game since 2020
I think the last game i bought when it has just came out was Fallout New Vegas
same here
@@andret3739And I'm pretty sure you've never regretted that purchase 😅
Yup i have a long enough backlog, i dont need to.
Same with TV/Movies. Like the new LOTR vs the old.
@@hzjake Most faithful part is that they spelled Galadriel's name correctly.
Another reason why older games are being played a lot more. People know they will not just suddenly stop working because of the Publisher stops a server for it.
Even when New Technology causes problems, there are dedicated people out there, that is willing to put in a lot of work, to preserve the games.
And it is made even easier with example GOG which often have already put in work, to make sure the games work on modern hardware.
Game mechanics are far better than great graphics. Old games are cheaper, more fun, and run better.
This days they put an army to make trees more realistic (which didn't mean better looking).
By opposite, I saw a lot of PIXEL games that are far better looking.
"Realism" had become an obsession this days.
They end up no focusing on the gameplay at all. (or even testing...)
Just moving and jumping around in Quake feels amazing. In modern games you feel like your character is walking through the mud with how sluggish and unrensponsive everything is. Too much bloat, poor optimization and VFX's flying all over the screen.
@@bobbobber4810 Good example of this is Mortal Kombat. In 1990's when Mortal Kombat first released they captured this dark and gritty atmosphere perfectly even with pixels and extremely limited engine. And now with all the freedom and modern engines in 2024 they failed to do that and made the game unrecognizable. Art style is more important than cool graphics.
Me an my coworker are older millennials and had this long discussion about Golden eye on n64 for an hour one day over how much game's have changed since then. We ended up playing the game soundtrack on the shop radio and reliving childhood memories. That shit was dope.
I sometimes do that with the original Minecraft soundtrack
N64 was a great era. I miss the couch co-op era. Still playing Perfect Dark due to its awesome multiplayer same as Golden Eye. Sad everything is online now, miss the gaming in person as a group aspect.
There are still a few games on Switch but it’s a lost game function now as devs can’t be bothered due to more work and it makes them more money if you each have to buy the game and pay for online functionality.
well that was an extremely rare example to make a combination of zeitgeist and game development
That is dope!!
Nice, put so many hours into that game growing up
This is why developers are gonna start charging for how long you own the game. To them, ownership is killing their potential profits and we the consumer have to suffer the cut corners.
Thats gonna be hard to track. I have physical copies of games from 2005. Its a one time purchase to play same with dvds and books
That's fine, the high seas exist for a reason. I don't pay for streaming services anymore, and if games want to go the same route then I won't pay there either
So, don't buy their games.
If buying doesn't lead to owning, or owning through official channels has dystopian outcomes, piracy isn't theft.
@@Darkwolfsbane nah, it's still theft by every metric, you just feel better about it.
Enjoyed this video a lot.
The speaker encapsulated things, just…. Perfect lol 🎉
I think a huge problem is corporate bloat. A game shouldnt need to sell hundreds of millions of copys to be succesful. A game company doesnt need 1000 employees.
Absolutely. This supposedly happened with the valve index as well? Somehow considered not quite as successful as they wanted. (failure?) despite being sold out. I guess it didn't sell out fast enough?
How come games need to sell 10 million copies just to break even? That's...quite the gamble for supposedly a game studio that's leans so much on stability and proven performance.
@@feldamar2 If you sell a game for 1$ and there's only 100 employees, and the game sells 10,000,000 million copies.. you could pay those employees 100,000$.
Triple A games today cost 69$ so there's really no excuse.
Ever heard of fix costs? Rent, taxes, electricity, …
@@agreeable-youth Yes, those are huge, and must be considered. And a company filled with bloat has considerably more of it. He was making a poorly written example of a real point. That those gaming companies are very bloated combined with unrealistic expectations of what you need to do to make a game right. A $400,000,000 budget to make a game is pretty crazy...and hard to manage.
This is an unpopular take versus the corporate greed & companies evil type take, but games have been around 60-70$ for around 15 years now yet the dollar has dropped a lot in value in that time.
The old total war games are still some of my favourites. After being completely let down by starfield I went back to Rome total war 1.
I still play also regularly. My gpu does'nt want to explode playing these old masterpieces also...
If you like spaceship games i recommend an indie title called House of the Dying Sun! Badass soundtrack with cool themes, tight controls and artstyle!
@@Dasistrite To add another spaceship game, Starsector is a pretty cool game as well.
Thats weird cus theyre entirely different games.
Were you expecting Rome Total War when you bought Starfield? 😂😂😂
@@Jacob-sb3su lol someone should give you a trophy every time you say something stupid.
1. If I want to throw away my money, I have a perfectly functional trash can, furnace & toilet at home. There's no point for me to think up an elaborate scheme to get rid of it.
2. If I want to throw away my time, I could always just walk in a circle outside of the house and I'm sure it'd be more fun than a lot of those time-waste simulators. And I'd get some exercise, which is a tangible benefit.
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They have nothing to offer & grab at both my money and my lifespan, so I have no use for them.
Meanwhile, there's still tons of old games I haven't played. The backlog is pretty large.
Noting jiggles tho
You sound like me 😆
@@WateringDNami well if you want that you can just make your own simulator for that, or better do it yourself
Notice the trend, most of the games at the top of the list were not intended to be the live service games today. They built a solid game and found a way to utilise the features into a live service e.g. fortnite and gta.
All the companies who are going straight into making a live service games are missing the mark by focusing on features that provide revenue and longevity rather than making a solid game to expand on.
The casual features is also very true. Being able to create a game that is easy to pick up, and more fun than stressful and time consuming is more attractive to a wider audience. Games that overload features and become complicated will stress a casual gamer out. Ive played games since ps1 days and i find i orefer games that i can chill out with more often than the hyper competitive games that often come with a toxic playerbase.
Exactly like what he said: build an audience with a niche idea and construct, construct, construct.
I try the new games, run them in a couple hours but end up in the old good ones, I end up going back to poe and warframe for the last years... recently went back to c&c generals and theres like 20k players online constantly...
The big crap here is that companies are trying to make games to take those top spots and invest heavily on live service but they dont really make a good game... they just innovate in new ways to steal your money.
2021-2023 I'd been playing a ton of PS3 games, (my system bugged out near the end of 23 and I just haven't gotten it fixed yet), the amount of quality games on that system is crazy. Dark Souls 1 and 2, Fallout 3 and New Vegas, Infamous, Dead Space, Just Cause 2, Disgaea 3 and 4, heck, even Sonic '06 with its bugs is a great game I'd replay any day. With all the half finished games that take months to beat if you want to fully experience them that we get nowadays, it's no surprise people jump to older titles.
"Old games" weren't just good at the time, they were just good.
Today, we're going through live service Hell, and a lot of the "good ones" are only so for like a few hours after DAYS of play time
dude watch the video the number one played game is fortnite "live service" game
Facts!
@@سالمالحجازى-و7غ You really can't figure out the connection between live service games wasting dozens of hours of your time through an extended lifespan in popularity and Fortnite being the "most played game"?
Also, what exactly are you arguing here? That Fortnite is good because it's played more? Cuz if that's your take, then Pachinko is actually the most played game out there and that shit is old AF
@@سالمالحجازى-و7غ Most players like to get addicted to 1 game and play it endlessly. CS, LoL, Fortnite etc.
Personally, that would be just too boring to me. I like variety.
Less bullshit filler content within the game is why. Simple. Direct. Fun. You don't have to spend 100 hours to level up to beat some boss. It's pure mechanical skill.
This explains why i am suddenly getting so popular among my peers...i stopped playing "modern games" way back...as it was becoming more "online" and less "offline" and i grew up with the on the couch with friends gaming experience...
discovering multiple libraries of "free" games i never heard of was also a BIG PLUS...
I mainly or almost only play -old- i mean classic titles...
99.99% of my gaming is emulation and has been for like 20 years
So everybody asks me to help them with their emulation setups ...the nostalgia is strong...
The only game i played that came out "recently" was KSP ...
i have no interest in playing KSP2...from what i have seen...
But recently i was dragged back into "modern gaming" by Helldivers 2 😂
for the first time in 20 years i care about a "new" game...crazy...
Lol same here, running emulators on smartphones was hard and i was the one in college who was known as "game librarian"
I've played nothing but old games for probably the past 10-ish years, with the occasional indie game thrown in. 1995-2015 was an absolutely magical golden age for gaming and there are so many thousands of games from that era that are just so much better than anything made today, and indie games are so fucking good now (and for the past few years).
Yeah, I feel you. Shame the microtransaction era came around.
I went like 3-4 years where all I played was OG Resident Evil 1-3 and Skate 2/3 on PS3. Never felt like I was missing out.
The Simpson’s Hit and Run!
@@jankmedia1985 I've gone since 2019 playing nothing but Vanilla WoW (not Classic - Vanilla only), a mod for a game that came out in 2009 and fucking Pokemon Blue on an emulator rofl.
I'm really glad to have grown up and played games through the 2000s and 2010s. I can't help feeling sorry for kids getting into gaming nowadays. Imagine the staples of your childhood being Fortnite and Apex Legends lol
Am i losing my mind or does Asmon look cleaner and healthier?
I swear something looks off about him and i can’t put my finger on it
He might have a secret girlfriend. I hope she stays secret, so his fans don't start hating on her.
He gains more power with every cancellation attempt.
Yeah he has been taking care of himself more lately. Going to doctors n shit, trying new food etc. I think he started to understand how fast you get old when you don't move much.
He probably took his monthly shower a couple of days ago
@@TheTimHall did you see how quickly the crowd tore into Kaice? I dunno who she was but I sure as shit felt bad for her.
I’m still playing republic commandos and S.T.A.L.K.E.R to this day, older games are just so much fun
I wish Steam on the store page for games as well as on steam charts tracked the average amount of hours in games based on people who own it, as well as the total number of hours put into said games of all players combined. That would be a real way of showing what games truly see play and how much.
i get that but they would never, ever release that information because it directly informs their sales and pricing models
You have something like steamdb....