I used this grinder for nearly a year until I eventually decided to get a "end game electric grinder" because hand grinding in the morning got old fast. When I originally purchased the Pietro, I was in the "I don't care about inconvenience, I just want the best coffee" camp. This rang true for a few months, but I eventually got sick of having to do this every morning before work. I found the fishing reel method to be the best method by far. You can grind while sitting in front of your monitor, grind while standing and watching the morning news, or even grind while laying in bed lol.
Same, after 5 years I got a 078 recently, and it's slightly better, so quite I sometimes left it on, because I thought it was off. Definitely endgame for me, as I don't look for more in the cup than what it gives me. Now I only need an espresso expert, but already looking at the df83v with ssp HUs :)
Subscribed! Great review! Incredibly informative and very enjoyable to watch :D Just a question if you don't mind! I currently own a Comandante (owned for 7 years) and a Niche Zero - I want to own a flat burr grinder that is going to be different from what I have - £500 budget tops, I want a flat burr more for pourover than espresso (I also drink a lot of milk based espresso). It feels like my choices for high end are: Pietro, ZP6, Ode Gen 2 SSP, Timemore 064 - Have you done any comparisons to the Ode or Timemore? ❤
@@DaddyGotCoffee I think it only tool me about 1-2 weeks of grinding 10-30g daily. Before that cups wete quite muddy. To compensate I went to 8.3. Now I can grind pretty much anywhere on the dial.
it took me 3-4 weeks to season the Pietro Pro Brew Burrs, at first I wasn't that impressed with it, I was getting a very drying after taste but once the burrs seasoned that drying after taste went away and its now amazing, perfect. IMO the poor user experience is way over blown. I bought it with the add on kit and the stand makes it not any harder to use than my C40, it's not as smooth but just as easy to grind with. I enjoy using the Pietro and it's what I reach for at 5am before I head to work for my morning caffeine fix. I almost passed on the Pietro because of all the talk around the user experience and I'm glad I gave it a shot because I don't find it to be anywhere near as bad as it gets made out to be.
Thank you for this! I mean for all my complaining I still use it basically daily as well 🙃 Agreed, I haven’t found anything that touches it. Maybe I will make a go on seasoning the new burrs 🥴
I think the user experience isn't over blown if you consider how much the pietro costs. The fact you have to pay 60$ for an addon kit to make it more usable (and to get a cleaning brush) is a bit insane since they recommend cleaning it after every use which is a bit ridiculous; though considering how much coffee is retained in it, regular maintenance is necessary. A better way to look at this grinder would be to not take the brew burrs into account, which are also more expensive. The multipurpose burrs are good, but considering the price and poor user experience...?
@@eriksmuiznieks7403 This hasn't been my experience with the Pietro. I RDT, as I do with every grinder, and I don't have any issues with retention and when I do open up the grinder there's really nothing in there to clean. I enjoy using the Pietro and the coffee from it is really good.
I don’t believe that. I’ve seen multiple comparison reviews and none of them set a clear winner. Owners bias is a real thing, especially when you invest a lot of money into the product.
You already have the bias on “owners have bias in their expensive grinder”, then you don’t even need to read other’s thought, because all you see are your own bias
Interesting. I'm not one who chases clarity, in general, but I am also not a big filter coffee drinker. I do drink mostly espresso and espresso-based drinks with filter coffee being a few times a year sort of deal. So, I am obviously not the target demographic for this, but I think that is true of most modern coffee gear. I tend to like body forward viscus shots that are rounded in flavor with a punch of acidity from the back. I hope people who do get it enjoy it though. My K6 does well enough for my limited needs with filter coffee. I don't know that I'd want more clarity than that. One click off already gives me a hollow cup with a drying after taste. I like a bigger sweet spot when dialing in, regardless of brew method. As always, I enjoyed the video, thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts with us.
Not the same Pietro is Clarity the 078 isn’t, it’s more a sweet, juicy profile the 078 resembles more the SSP cast series burrs then it do the high clarity burrs
Hey Justin, what about the All Ground ProBrew? I read somewhere that it's supposed to have burrs with geometry similar to Pietro's. Any chance you can get a review unit to find out?
Hi :-) Could you please show where exactly you apply the lubrication at 7:27? I don't follow the explanation, it would be so helpful to see a video of you actually doing it 🙏
Thank you for talking about seasoning of the grinder. Using it at first kinda had me at a loss, the taste was rather bitter and weird with muddy beds at a grind size 7. Two weeks later and a couple of grinds, I observed fewer fines on the sides of the filter and no more muddy beds, with lovely clarity and taste. Seasoning really seems to play an important role. To touch on the alignment topic: When I looked at the burrs from the bottom, I in fact noticed the stationary burr move inwards with pressure applied to the handle, I believe however alignment is maintained because the coffee Beans pick the way of least resistance, as Lance said in his video. I think because this burr is not moving, the beans can always force it as far away as possible.
Thank you for that. Not that I would ever have seriously considered purchasing… the “bang for the buck“ just isn’t there for me. Plus your comparison with the ZP6 kind of seals the deal for me. I really do like my ZP6, but I very often find that I prefer any given coffee with the J-Max. I certainly don’t need any more clarity than the ZP6 produces.
What I love about this review or Rereview is that I can appreciate the I love this part but this part makes me very frustrated and I use it because of what it does rather than how to get there. Complex review and comes off well. Do you suffer for a good result or find an easier but less satisfying result? I feel like that specialty coffee community is perfect for this video 😂
I would dump it out where the cutout is, that’s how it works perfectly for me. And I find that if you press the grinder against your stomach/hip, the grinding becomes super comfortable for filters with a bit of practice and also allows for slow feeding at the same time. I’ve come to like the grinding process more than with conventional hand grinders.
I got a Pietro grinder a couple of weeks ago and it´s incredible! Yes, it´s such a hassle to use, but the coffee it produces it´s unvelibable. I have it with the Pro Brew burrs, because i´m a filter first person. I think this grinder may be it. I don´t think i will buy another grinder ever again, not for filter coffee at least.
Not an owner yet, but so hyped up to have one. I feel like all the struggle using it will just make the end result feel even more valuable lmao. We’ll see if I change my mind when I actually get to use it 😁
i got both pietro burrs too, and both needed seasoning … mud mud mud for a while and now much better :) … i can do espresso with pro brew burrs between 0-1 on 58mm portafilter and even at setting 2 on flair pro2 … what’s your typical setting for filter? (for me around 7-8 … typically 7.2 for 30g dose) thanks again for the video … i have started prototyping a better stand (never tried theirs, your description matches my apprehensions) and will send you one if i ever get around making it !!
This is so fun! My experience seems to match yours. 0-1 for traditional espresso but brutal to grind and next to impossible to dial in perfectly. Filter, I’m 7-8, usually closer to 7. My dose is usually 15-16g as opposed to ~20. Keep me posted on your project!
Great video. As an EK43S owner I wanted something for travel use that’s closer to brews I can get at home. It’s only been a few days and Pietro Pro Brew is outshining the Option-O 98OM (which are great for espresso)! With that in mind, I think ergonomics and price are completely justifiable tradeoffs when the next option is a 80/98mm electric grinder at a much higher cost, and you can’t travel with one. I hope there’s something better (lighter, cheaper, easier to use), but Fiorenziato did an amazing job bringing something to the market.
I am with you on this - it’s an incredible grinder/burr set. I’m still using it so obviously I have dealt with the tradeoffs but REALLY like to make sure people go in with their eyes open on this one, it’s cheaper than a 98mm but it still ain’t cheap!
Great review! Have you had the chance to compare it with 078? I own the 078 and enjoy it mostly with certain type of coffees (kenyas, Pink Bourbons, processed coffees) but not that much with washed geishas and those type of clean coffees (If that makes sense 😅)
FYI, I guess you may have been joking. I just had ordered a Pietro M-burr grinder from Expresso Parts and the add-on pack was still an add-on and not included. I also am wondering if the unit that just arrived is the newer with the gasket or not. When did the updates change go into?
Pietro owner for 6 months. Lance really bailed them out with these brew burrs or I'd have immediately sold it. A lot of the locking up issues are only there with really light coffees and I think that's why some people just don't mind the design. If I drop down to a more medium light then it's so easy to grind. That said, I only like very light coffee and just suffer with the ergonomics as the cups are worth it. I have lots of expensive grinders to choose from but the pietro still gets used at least a few times per week.
Yeah most of the time I am leaning very light which probably adds to my aggravation. You’re right that you do get used to it, to a degree… 🤣☕️ Cups are best of any hand grinder I’ve used
I like it. One of the most consistent conicals I’ve used. I’ll use it with Sibarist fasts when I’m looking for crisp, clear and well presented acidity with controlled bypass and a consistent brew. It’s especially nice for video shoots because of the consistency and no need to preheat. In daily use I’m most commonly between ceramic v60/flower and the UFO. If I wanna do a flat bottom I’ll often reach for the Orea.
@@DaddyGotCoffeeim using the origami with kalita wave and it works wonders on a geisha imo. But i need to grind to coarse so I’m looking for something faster but same taste now
Have you had any time with a timemore 78? I've watched your review of the 78s but i was wandering if you had any experience with the brewing burrs, in such case would be cool to hear how the pietro compares to those burrs for you. I'm thinking of buying a pietro, and where I am it's half the price of a timemore 78 so if the cup quality isn't much better i will put up with the hand grinding. For now I'm loving the brews that i get with my zp6 but you're right, if the roaster fks up you kinda notice it makes the cups soooooo boring and flat
Own one for 2 weeks now. Bought it used, previous used the C40. It's quite similar, a bit more clarity and less muddy than the C40. Together with the hario switch, you get very easy, super jucy, cups, with good flavour Präsentation. Flavour separation aka clarity is not its strong point I'd say, but I don't look for that. If you do, I would stick with the zp6. User experience with the 078 is great though. Quiet, fast, and without rdt the fines catcher catches all the chaff as well, so yiu get tidy brews in the filter:)
@@Caffeine.And.Carvings Thanks for taking the time to type out that reply! Other users have reported on 78 needing a ton of coffee for seasoning maybe it will skew more in that direction with some time? At the moment, the only thing pushing me to the 78 is the motor, lately I'm buying expensive coffees, and i would like to experience them all at their max so I've started tilting the zp6 to slowfeed, but to be frank that makes the whole grinding boring and slow. I could build a slow feeder for the 78 so if the cup quality is actually better than the pietro I'm willing to spend the extra 450 + time to build the the slowfeeder. But if the only thing I'm getting is the motor than that's an harder sell
@giuseppecesarano108 well, it's an auger fed System. So you just pour in the beans slowly after a cold start. Even dense coffee on the lowest rpm didn't stall. And I get noticeable less fines on lowest rpm. As said, might not be the highest clarity, lance said the same thing in his review. Just really jucy allaroud tasty cup. Maybe ode gen2 with ssp brew is better for you ?
@@Caffeine.And.Carvings Just rewatched the part where he talks about 78 vs ode ssp and youre right, at that point I think that I will take the pietro and just cry while grinding. SSP here are kinda hard to source and i don't think that I'm that willing to handle the astringency that they can give. Thank you man!
Looks to me like it is a home-based manual grinder, but at its price point, you can have already powered flat burr grinders. If you are limited on the budget and starting out, it is a bit of a hard sell.
What grind size setting with Probrew burr do people here use for pourover? I've been sitting few clicks up or down around 7 and getting good results but I also read people getting great cups above 8.
I have to pry the lid off of my pietro with a tool every time I use it. The area is chipped and dented. It's absolutely the worst grinding experience I could imagine but the coffee is good on the brew burrs. It is the only piece of coffee equipment I have ever dropped which happened when I was trying to pry the lid off without a tool. Since I drink a lot of lightly roasted dense coffee's I just put my elbow on the grinder and put my shoulder directly over that to put my weight on the grinder which makes the crank efficiency better since it doesn't move around... much. It's such a shame, a travesty for ergonomics.
Thanks for the update. I think them going the "hand grinder" route was a mistake. they should have went the manual home grinder route. It could have been a better product if they designed it like the ROK or Weber grinder. Im conflicted though because I still want one haha! haven't experienced a clarity focused grinder yet but I would like to.
I've been using the ROK hand grinder for years and nobody talks about it. Even if it has bad burrs and makes shit coffee (which I don't think is the case but I only use it for espresso and I can't critique espresso in the same way that I can other brew methods), the form factor is top tier and super fast with very little effort on the crank handle. When I travel I use a very cheap ceramic burr hand grinder and the effort required and time it takes to grind a small amount of beans at only a fairly fine size is literally laughable in comparison to what the ROK is doing. I suppose I understand that the form factor of the ROK makes it basically not portable at all, and maybe that's often a big selling point for hand grinders...?
The first thought I had when I saw the Pietro was “this thing needs to be clamped to the table”…many reaffirming reviews later, they still rolled out a very poor excuse for a stand. Needless to say, I still use it everyday.
Curious if they’ll ever make a motorized version- like how Weber made the Key from the HG. Like something very small, low RPM, basically just this with a motor.
@@mariolange9102 true, but not many people would complain that the ergonomics of a Commandante ruin the experience of using one. Not to say that’s the case with the HG either, it’s just that with such a powerhouse in terms of flavor, it seems like Fiorenzato is only losing customers who have the money for something like this but don’t want to deal with the faff. Having a low RPM motorized version of the Pietro, straight from Fiorenzato, similar in size to the Key, I think would be a very tempting option for a lot of people in the $600-$1000 range.
I find it very interesting, the way you talk make me feel like you dont have much experience with hand grinding even tho you have? How can you explain the jamming being soo different from any other hand grinder for a light roast? Even i dont hear you talk about the kind of beans you are using would be interesting to know how it feels with a catuaï vs geisha !
I guess I should have said, jamming is worse and less comfortable than when grinding the same bean at the same size on other hand grinders? Obviously it will get easier across the board the darker or less dense you go. When using a grinder like the k-ultra which has a similar throughput rate, the experience is a lot less jarring.
Man, I’ve had this grinder apart probably hundreds of times by this point and never found or felt a spring mechanism. Sure enough, I take it apart just now and peer in the axle hole, the only place I could imagine one MIGHT be hiding. Sure enough, there it is! Thank you!
I trained myself to grind pushing a bit more forward instead of downward, this makes my and a bit more level with the tabletop. Then my hand does not hit the tabletop and i can grind quickly in a continuously motion. I might have lucky hands.
Bought this grinder a year ago and I daily drive it since, 3 filters a day with the brew burrs, heck even competed with this grinder on the local areopress champships twice. (the SCA one and a fun local one) I'm kindda chubby so probably that's why but I find the "finshing rod" method is the most convinient of them all, can grind 15 gramms of very lightly roasted Sey coffees with ease in like 30ish sec. Tried the addon pack thanks to one of my buddy, but I find the base awkward and the funnel kinda cheap and "unfinished" so I never came around to actually pruchase one. We did several cuppings since I have this grinder, compared it to the ZP6, Comandante, Ode gen2 and some SSPs etc, somehow we find the 64mm SSP MP the closest to it, to me it beats everything to that point by far. The fact that I don't have to put up with the static noise early in the morning and still get almost SSP MP quality coffee is worth every crank that I put into that handle tho'.
18 months daily use, 6 months with stand, also own zp6 over 2 years. I find all these issues to be overly dramatic. It was a new "tool" took me a while to find best way to use it. With the stand its a breeze to use, stored in same cupboard it was stored before stand 😂, i dont really care about looks. I guess if one is low on arm / hand strength and cannot focus for 30 - 45 sec, well then it might be a problem. The O ring seal on mine required a small amount of lubrication when new and not a problem since. I only brew filter from the worlds lightest roasters.
Difference is subtle but can be picked out in blind cupping of same coffee. Brewing filter is debatable if its worth it? Zp6 is very easy grinder except for screw catch cup. You can change how a particular coffee presents more dramatically with brew techniques and water composition. I could easily live with zp6 if i had to, but pietro has slight edge and I particularly like it for cupping.
I have been loving slow feeding on the Pietro by holding it almost parallel to the floor, doing the fishing reel method (and pulling up or tilting it when needing to feed a bit more in). Big difference in the cup compared to grinding it when it's upright.
Tried this grinder at Coffee Fest in Manhattan last year (so disappointed they're not doing it again this year) and as a lefty, I can confirm, the ergonomics are absolutely awful. Beautiful build quality though.
I don't think it's a good looking grinder at all. It looks awkward. And apparently it's mega awkward to use,going by your review. Sorry but the results aren't worth the constant face ache. Looks shite, shite to use, awkward to use, hard to use, shite user experience, very expensive - great results. That's a fail for me. Great review, and honest. I've watched your videos before but this is the one that made me a subscriber.
This thing looks like such a piece of shit man, it's crazy how little testing must have gone into this. If you even had 50 people try this thing, you'd think that probably 40 of them would tell you "hey man this feels bad to use". They must have either ignored this feedback or just not sought it out in the first place
Complaining about the Pietro user experience is like having a Ferrari and complaining about how difficult it is to get in and how it handles speed bumps when you're on the way to your kids school. 🙃 You just ignore it because the end result is pure Fun. And anyone that buys a hand grinder is not looking for convenience anyway. Maybe your reviewer brain is just wired to detect pro's and cons more than normal people do. 😉
It’s funny because I used this exact analogy in my first review, and I live this out because I still “drive” this grinder basically daily. I look at my role as consumer education - I get a lot of people “looking for their first hand grinder”, wanting to get the best and asking about Pietro. If they can walk into that decision with their eyes open, mission accomplished imo! ☕️🔥
@@DaddyGotCoffee well, that's Italian design I guess! You gotta work for the greatness! 😉 Consumer education is tricky, I sometimes see people get extremely annoyed by things that don't bother me at all, but more often it's the opposite. We sell Pietro since day one, and most early adopters that inquired about the base never came back to buy one, as they got used to it. I do like that you can fit the base and it's not in the way of taking out the burrs, etc
Pietro is definitely one of the worst grinder in the market. All my friends told me the same thing that this grinder is completely unusable and bad design. It’s difficult to grind every time . I don’t drink espresso, so I cannot comment on this part . However, if Pietro is with light roast, it’s awful to use. Both ZP6 and Pietro are overhyped and overrated. If you like clean cup, JE plus or Kinu normal burr are the best choices. I have all these grinders except Pietro . I am telling you by my personal experience everyday. Clean cup isn’t the best way to taste the coffee. It’s just a bs teach the coffee beginners. I totally agreed with your video.
Thank you so much! Agreed for beginners - not a first or only coffee grinder for sure. Fantastic tool in your gear tool belt if you like clarity and can get past the ergonomics and price. I am working on getting some Kinus to review!
@@DaddyGotCoffee I have 8 grinders at home . My friend got 30 hand grinders. Although we don’t have something like Helor 106, kinu m68 , OE apex, nor HG-2. we almost have all major manual grinders on hand, so if you need any info, please feel free to ask.
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I used this grinder for nearly a year until I eventually decided to get a "end game electric grinder" because hand grinding in the morning got old fast. When I originally purchased the Pietro, I was in the "I don't care about inconvenience, I just want the best coffee" camp. This rang true for a few months, but I eventually got sick of having to do this every morning before work.
I found the fishing reel method to be the best method by far. You can grind while sitting in front of your monitor, grind while standing and watching the morning news, or even grind while laying in bed lol.
Same, after 5 years I got a 078 recently, and it's slightly better, so quite I sometimes left it on, because I thought it was off. Definitely endgame for me, as I don't look for more in the cup than what it gives me. Now I only need an espresso expert, but already looking at the df83v with ssp HUs :)
Subscribed! Great review! Incredibly informative and very enjoyable to watch :D Just a question if you don't mind! I currently own a Comandante (owned for 7 years) and a Niche Zero - I want to own a flat burr grinder that is going to be different from what I have - £500 budget tops, I want a flat burr more for pourover than espresso (I also drink a lot of milk based espresso). It feels like my choices for high end are: Pietro, ZP6, Ode Gen 2 SSP, Timemore 064 - Have you done any comparisons to the Ode or Timemore? ❤
what would be funny if Mahlkonig releases a manual hand grinder that just looks like an EK grinder with a hand crank
98mm hand grinder 🤣
A motorless EK43 with a giant hand crank would be a great April Fools gag. Even better if you need to floor mount it with concrete anchors.
It should be mounted on a pedal, first gen 98mm foot grinder
I can confirm the thing with the seasoning. Had the same experience at the start with my new Pietro and then it became much better.
💯💯💯 How long did it take for you? I am debating pushing through so I can advise from personal experience while comparing to a well seasoned set
@@DaddyGotCoffee I think it only tool me about 1-2 weeks of grinding 10-30g daily. Before that cups wete quite muddy. To compensate I went to 8.3. Now I can grind pretty much anywhere on the dial.
it took me 3-4 weeks to season the Pietro Pro Brew Burrs, at first I wasn't that impressed with it, I was getting a very drying after taste but once the burrs seasoned that drying after taste went away and its now amazing, perfect. IMO the poor user experience is way over blown. I bought it with the add on kit and the stand makes it not any harder to use than my C40, it's not as smooth but just as easy to grind with. I enjoy using the Pietro and it's what I reach for at 5am before I head to work for my morning caffeine fix. I almost passed on the Pietro because of all the talk around the user experience and I'm glad I gave it a shot because I don't find it to be anywhere near as bad as it gets made out to be.
Thank you for this! I mean for all my complaining I still use it basically daily as well 🙃 Agreed, I haven’t found anything that touches it. Maybe I will make a go on seasoning the new burrs 🥴
I think the user experience isn't over blown if you consider how much the pietro costs. The fact you have to pay 60$ for an addon kit to make it more usable (and to get a cleaning brush) is a bit insane since they recommend cleaning it after every use which is a bit ridiculous; though considering how much coffee is retained in it, regular maintenance is necessary.
A better way to look at this grinder would be to not take the brew burrs into account, which are also more expensive. The multipurpose burrs are good, but considering the price and poor user experience...?
@@eriksmuiznieks7403 This hasn't been my experience with the Pietro. I RDT, as I do with every grinder, and I don't have any issues with retention and when I do open up the grinder there's really nothing in there to clean. I enjoy using the Pietro and the coffee from it is really good.
@@DaddyGotCoffeecan you move the seasoned M burrs to your new unit?
Hello. How much coffee did you need for the 4 week grind? Share your v60 brewing recipe. What Pietro grind do you prefer?
Love that coffee doser that you have, where is it from? Thanks! =)
That flower dripper is gorgeous
Agreed - it’s very expensive but definitely a stunner.
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You just justified my zp6 which is my absolute favorite grinder. Not worth the faff.
I love both but the ZP6 brews unfortunately don’t even come close the the brews I get from the Pietro
I don’t believe that. I’ve seen multiple comparison reviews and none of them set a clear winner. Owners bias is a real thing, especially when you invest a lot of money into the product.
@@Speedy0ne1982 don't believe, doesn't bother me at all. I own both by the way and love the ZP6, but the Pietro is better
You already have the bias on “owners have bias in their expensive grinder”, then you don’t even need to read other’s thought, because all you see are your own bias
@@Speedy0ne1982 owner bias also applies to you lol
I bought it. I use it. I like it. The issues you and others talk about dont bother me much. But, the add-on pack definitely should have been included.
Interesting. I'm not one who chases clarity, in general, but I am also not a big filter coffee drinker. I do drink mostly espresso and espresso-based drinks with filter coffee being a few times a year sort of deal. So, I am obviously not the target demographic for this, but I think that is true of most modern coffee gear. I tend to like body forward viscus shots that are rounded in flavor with a punch of acidity from the back.
I hope people who do get it enjoy it though. My K6 does well enough for my limited needs with filter coffee. I don't know that I'd want more clarity than that. One click off already gives me a hollow cup with a drying after taste. I like a bigger sweet spot when dialing in, regardless of brew method.
As always, I enjoyed the video, thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts with us.
How does it compare to timemore 078?
Not the same Pietro is Clarity the 078 isn’t, it’s more a sweet, juicy profile the 078 resembles more the SSP cast series burrs then it do the high clarity burrs
Nice brewers, what are they? Thanks
Where did you get that floral v60? That is beautiful.
Hey Justin, what about the All Ground ProBrew? I read somewhere that it's supposed to have burrs with geometry similar to Pietro's. Any chance you can get a review unit to find out?
What about the Orca G1? It has flat burrs, but also comes with ghost burrs. Would love your feedback.
Hi :-) Could you please show where exactly you apply the lubrication at 7:27? I don't follow the explanation, it would be so helpful to see a video of you actually doing it 🙏
Thank you for talking about seasoning of the grinder. Using it at first kinda had me at a loss, the taste was rather bitter and weird with muddy beds at a grind size 7. Two weeks later and a couple of grinds, I observed fewer fines on the sides of the filter and no more muddy beds, with lovely clarity and taste. Seasoning really seems to play an important role.
To touch on the alignment topic: When I looked at the burrs from the bottom, I in fact noticed the stationary burr move inwards with pressure applied to the handle, I believe however alignment is maintained because the coffee Beans pick the way of least resistance, as Lance said in his video. I think because this burr is not moving, the beans can always force it as far away as possible.
Thank you for that. Not that I would ever have seriously considered purchasing… the “bang for the buck“ just isn’t there for me. Plus your comparison with the ZP6 kind of seals the deal for me. I really do like my ZP6, but I very often find that I prefer any given coffee with the J-Max. I certainly don’t need any more clarity than the ZP6 produces.
What I love about this review or Rereview is that I can appreciate the I love this part but this part makes me very frustrated and I use it because of what it does rather than how to get there. Complex review and comes off well. Do you suffer for a good result or find an easier but less satisfying result? I feel like that specialty coffee community is perfect for this video 😂
You mentioned traveling with yours (I think). Have you found an ideal case or a bag that fits it well?
I use the Sttoke X Alpaca Sidekick. I’m considering doing something with a hard case.
@@DaddyGotCoffee Thank you. I appreciate your great content.
Thank you!
I would dump it out where the cutout is, that’s how it works perfectly for me. And I find that if you press the grinder against your stomach/hip, the grinding becomes super comfortable for filters with a bit of practice and also allows for slow feeding at the same time. I’ve come to like the grinding process more than with conventional hand grinders.
I got a Pietro grinder a couple of weeks ago and it´s incredible! Yes, it´s such a hassle to use, but the coffee it produces it´s unvelibable. I have it with the Pro Brew burrs, because i´m a filter first person. I think this grinder may be it. I don´t think i will buy another grinder ever again, not for filter coffee at least.
Not an owner yet, but so hyped up to have one. I feel like all the struggle using it will just make the end result feel even more valuable lmao. We’ll see if I change my mind when I actually get to use it 😁
I mean.. I’m still using it! Give it time to season before you expect that peak clarity!
i got both pietro burrs too, and both needed seasoning … mud mud mud for a while and now much better :) … i can do espresso with pro brew burrs between 0-1 on 58mm portafilter and even at setting 2 on flair pro2 … what’s your typical setting for filter? (for me around 7-8 … typically 7.2 for 30g dose) thanks again for the video … i have started prototyping a better stand (never tried theirs, your description matches my apprehensions) and will send you one if i ever get around making it !!
This is so fun! My experience seems to match yours. 0-1 for traditional espresso but brutal to grind and next to impossible to dial in perfectly. Filter, I’m 7-8, usually closer to 7. My dose is usually 15-16g as opposed to ~20. Keep me posted on your project!
What size are these burrs? It might be interesting to put something like this up against a 64mm SSP MP or something.
Great video. As an EK43S owner I wanted something for travel use that’s closer to brews I can get at home. It’s only been a few days and Pietro Pro Brew is outshining the Option-O 98OM (which are great for espresso)!
With that in mind, I think ergonomics and price are completely justifiable tradeoffs when the next option is a 80/98mm electric grinder at a much higher cost, and you can’t travel with one. I hope there’s something better (lighter, cheaper, easier to use), but Fiorenziato did an amazing job bringing something to the market.
I am with you on this - it’s an incredible grinder/burr set. I’m still using it so obviously I have dealt with the tradeoffs but REALLY like to make sure people go in with their eyes open on this one, it’s cheaper than a 98mm but it still ain’t cheap!
Can you compare pietro and ek43?
The pro brew burrs have a lot more clarity than the stock burrs.
What burrs do you have in the EK?
@@DaddyGotCoffee Is the pro brew burr close to a 98mm SSP LU and SSP Brew burr ?
Great review! Have you had the chance to compare it with 078? I own the 078 and enjoy it mostly with certain type of coffees (kenyas, Pink Bourbons, processed coffees) but not that much with washed geishas and those type of clean coffees (If that makes sense 😅)
FYI, I guess you may have been joking. I just had ordered a Pietro M-burr grinder from Expresso Parts and the add-on pack was still an add-on and not included. I also am wondering if the unit that just arrived is the newer with the gasket or not. When did the updates change go into?
I’ll double check this and if it has changed will update!
Pietro owner for 6 months. Lance really bailed them out with these brew burrs or I'd have immediately sold it.
A lot of the locking up issues are only there with really light coffees and I think that's why some people just don't mind the design. If I drop down to a more medium light then it's so easy to grind. That said, I only like very light coffee and just suffer with the ergonomics as the cups are worth it. I have lots of expensive grinders to choose from but the pietro still gets used at least a few times per week.
Yeah most of the time I am leaning very light which probably adds to my aggravation. You’re right that you do get used to it, to a degree… 🤣☕️ Cups are best of any hand grinder I’ve used
The thorniest rose.
Also 5kg of seasoning? This is where Costco beans come to the rescue. On sale, you can get beans there approaching $10/kg.
Still, U$50 just to season a U$ 450 hand grinder + U$65 for the add-ons that should really come with it? way too much!
I see you using the UFO dripper in a lot of vids? Is it that good?
I like it. One of the most consistent conicals I’ve used. I’ll use it with Sibarist fasts when I’m looking for crisp, clear and well presented acidity with controlled bypass and a consistent brew. It’s especially nice for video shoots because of the consistency and no need to preheat. In daily use I’m most commonly between ceramic v60/flower and the UFO. If I wanna do a flat bottom I’ll often reach for the Orea.
@@DaddyGotCoffeeim using the origami with kalita wave and it works wonders on a geisha imo. But i need to grind to coarse so I’m looking for something faster but same taste now
Have you had any time with a timemore 78? I've watched your review of the 78s but i was wandering if you had any experience with the brewing burrs, in such case would be cool to hear how the pietro compares to those burrs for you.
I'm thinking of buying a pietro, and where I am it's half the price of a timemore 78 so if the cup quality isn't much better i will put up with the hand grinding. For now I'm loving the brews that i get with my zp6 but you're right, if the roaster fks up you kinda notice it makes the cups soooooo boring and flat
Own one for 2 weeks now. Bought it used, previous used the C40. It's quite similar, a bit more clarity and less muddy than the C40. Together with the hario switch, you get very easy, super jucy, cups, with good flavour Präsentation. Flavour separation aka clarity is not its strong point I'd say, but I don't look for that. If you do, I would stick with the zp6. User experience with the 078 is great though. Quiet, fast, and without rdt the fines catcher catches all the chaff as well, so yiu get tidy brews in the filter:)
@@Caffeine.And.Carvings Thanks for taking the time to type out that reply! Other users have reported on 78 needing a ton of coffee for seasoning maybe it will skew more in that direction with some time?
At the moment, the only thing pushing me to the 78 is the motor, lately I'm buying expensive coffees, and i would like to experience them all at their max so I've started tilting the zp6 to slowfeed, but to be frank that makes the whole grinding boring and slow.
I could build a slow feeder for the 78 so if the cup quality is actually better than the pietro I'm willing to spend the extra 450 + time to build the the slowfeeder. But if the only thing I'm getting is the motor than that's an harder sell
@giuseppecesarano108 well, it's an auger fed System. So you just pour in the beans slowly after a cold start. Even dense coffee on the lowest rpm didn't stall. And I get noticeable less fines on lowest rpm. As said, might not be the highest clarity, lance said the same thing in his review. Just really jucy allaroud tasty cup. Maybe ode gen2 with ssp brew is better for you ?
@@Caffeine.And.Carvings Just rewatched the part where he talks about 78 vs ode ssp and youre right, at that point I think that I will take the pietro and just cry while grinding.
SSP here are kinda hard to source and i don't think that I'm that willing to handle the astringency that they can give.
Thank you man!
Looks to me like it is a home-based manual grinder, but at its price point, you can have already powered flat burr grinders. If you are limited on the budget and starting out, it is a bit of a hard sell.
Agreed - def not my top recc for beginners!
What grind size setting with Probrew burr do people here use for pourover? I've been sitting few clicks up or down around 7 and getting good results but I also read people getting great cups above 8.
How does Pietro Pro burr compared to Weber EG-1 with ULF burr?
I have to pry the lid off of my pietro with a tool every time I use it. The area is chipped and dented. It's absolutely the worst grinding experience I could imagine but the coffee is good on the brew burrs. It is the only piece of coffee equipment I have ever dropped which happened when I was trying to pry the lid off without a tool. Since I drink a lot of lightly roasted dense coffee's I just put my elbow on the grinder and put my shoulder directly over that to put my weight on the grinder which makes the crank efficiency better since it doesn't move around... much. It's such a shame, a travesty for ergonomics.
Thanks for the update. I think them going the "hand grinder" route was a mistake. they should have went the manual home grinder route. It could have been a better product if they designed it like the ROK or Weber grinder. Im conflicted though because I still want one haha! haven't experienced a clarity focused grinder yet but I would like to.
I've been using the ROK hand grinder for years and nobody talks about it. Even if it has bad burrs and makes shit coffee (which I don't think is the case but I only use it for espresso and I can't critique espresso in the same way that I can other brew methods), the form factor is top tier and super fast with very little effort on the crank handle. When I travel I use a very cheap ceramic burr hand grinder and the effort required and time it takes to grind a small amount of beans at only a fairly fine size is literally laughable in comparison to what the ROK is doing. I suppose I understand that the form factor of the ROK makes it basically not portable at all, and maybe that's often a big selling point for hand grinders...?
The first thought I had when I saw the Pietro was “this thing needs to be clamped to the table”…many reaffirming reviews later, they still rolled out a very poor excuse for a stand. Needless to say, I still use it everyday.
For the price you can basically get a gen 2 ode with ssp burrs
This is exactly how it feels to use the OG Pharos from OrphanEspresso
Curious if they’ll ever make a motorized version- like how Weber made the Key from the HG. Like something very small, low RPM, basically just this with a motor.
Well, Comandante also never did. But a third party could do. I like my GaWoody Motor for the Comandante - especially with light roasts.
@@mariolange9102 true, but not many people would complain that the ergonomics of a Commandante ruin the experience of using one. Not to say that’s the case with the HG either, it’s just that with such a powerhouse in terms of flavor, it seems like Fiorenzato is only losing customers who have the money for something like this but don’t want to deal with the faff. Having a low RPM motorized version of the Pietro, straight from Fiorenzato, similar in size to the Key, I think would be a very tempting option for a lot of people in the $600-$1000 range.
I find it very interesting, the way you talk make me feel like you dont have much experience with hand grinding even tho you have? How can you explain the jamming being soo different from any other hand grinder for a light roast? Even i dont hear you talk about the kind of beans you are using would be interesting to know how it feels with a catuaï vs geisha !
I guess I should have said, jamming is worse and less comfortable than when grinding the same bean at the same size on other hand grinders? Obviously it will get easier across the board the darker or less dense you go.
When using a grinder like the k-ultra which has a similar throughput rate, the experience is a lot less jarring.
7:05 Actually it has a spring that moves burr back
Man, I’ve had this grinder apart probably hundreds of times by this point and never found or felt a spring mechanism. Sure enough, I take it apart just now and peer in the axle hole, the only place I could imagine one MIGHT be hiding. Sure enough, there it is! Thank you!
@@DaddyGotCoffee you found it so quickly, cool! And thanks for the video!
Don't worry. I'm in the exact same place. It's worth it. I use mine at least once a day, often twice.
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whats the dripper at 0:17 seconds?
Espresso Parts doesn't seem to be including the stand for free anymore. It's that correct?
Im just trying to confirm this
@@DaddyGotCoffee, any news about the free stand?
Seems like these burrs should be installed in a properly designed grinder, possibly an electric one.
I trained myself to grind pushing a bit more forward instead of downward, this makes my and a bit more level with the tabletop. Then my hand does not hit the tabletop and i can grind quickly in a continuously motion. I might have lucky hands.
Bought this grinder a year ago and I daily drive it since, 3 filters a day with the brew burrs, heck even competed with this grinder on the local areopress champships twice. (the SCA one and a fun local one)
I'm kindda chubby so probably that's why but I find the "finshing rod" method is the most convinient of them all, can grind 15 gramms of very lightly roasted Sey coffees with ease in like 30ish sec.
Tried the addon pack thanks to one of my buddy, but I find the base awkward and the funnel kinda cheap and "unfinished" so I never came around to actually pruchase one.
We did several cuppings since I have this grinder, compared it to the ZP6, Comandante, Ode gen2 and some SSPs etc, somehow we find the 64mm SSP MP the closest to it, to me it beats everything to that point by far.
The fact that I don't have to put up with the static noise early in the morning and still get almost SSP MP quality coffee is worth every crank that I put into that handle tho'.
Wouldn't it be better to just get a gen 2 ode?
Excellent coffee with no work.
Great review but Tanzania has a correct pronunciation. Tan-Zah-Near
Embarrassing and thank you. Another user corrected me here as well - rightly so!
18 months daily use, 6 months with stand, also own zp6 over 2 years. I find all these issues to be overly dramatic. It was a new "tool" took me a while to find best way to use it. With the stand its a breeze to use, stored in same cupboard it was stored before stand 😂, i dont really care about looks. I guess if one is low on arm / hand strength and cannot focus for 30 - 45 sec, well then it might be a problem. The O ring seal on mine required a small amount of lubrication when new and not a problem since.
I only brew filter from the worlds lightest roasters.
What's your opinion on taste comparing to zp6 and other grinders you have used?
Difference is subtle but can be picked out in blind cupping of same coffee. Brewing filter is debatable if its worth it? Zp6 is very easy grinder except for screw catch cup. You can change how a particular coffee presents more dramatically with brew techniques and water composition. I could easily live with zp6 if i had to, but pietro has slight edge and I particularly like it for cupping.
Thank you for your detailed comment!
18 months daily use...how much you like it. I will get one as well today
No way you've made a second review without even using the table top base.
This is like self inflicted torture.
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I have been loving slow feeding on the Pietro by holding it almost parallel to the floor, doing the fishing reel method (and pulling up or tilting it when needing to feed a bit more in). Big difference in the cup compared to grinding it when it's upright.
I really wouldn't use the table to grind this... putting it on my abdomen makes the process much smoother. Its still a hilarious struggle though.
Tried this grinder at Coffee Fest in Manhattan last year (so disappointed they're not doing it again this year) and as a lefty, I can confirm, the ergonomics are absolutely awful. Beautiful build quality though.
I’m fine with the 80-85% 😅😅
I travel with its own box, that until I find a suitable box
We need these burrs in a different grinder honestly
Would buy 🤣☕️
@@DaddyGotCoffee I think 90% of the problems you mentioned would be instantly solved if they made an electric model. I would definitely buy that!
The Wilfa Uniform is a great grinder with mediocre 58mm burrs. If only you could attach the Pietro burrs to that one somehow
It still looks cool doe 😅
That it does 🤣
I don't think it's a good looking grinder at all. It looks awkward. And apparently it's mega awkward to use,going by your review. Sorry but the results aren't worth the constant face ache. Looks shite, shite to use, awkward to use, hard to use, shite user experience, very expensive - great results. That's a fail for me.
Great review, and honest. I've watched your videos before but this is the one that made me a subscriber.
As the saying goes: no pain, no gain 😂
Give me one of those pietro bro. 😂
65$ for such silly add-ons is insane 🤯
Please stop grinding in the center of the table and do it near the borders!!
You pronounce Tanzania the Trump way. 3:19
Embarassing but thank you 🙏☕️ I’ll blame my middle school teacher and never pronounce it this way again 🤣
@@DaddyGotCoffee 😂😂😂
“The legend Lance Hedrick”……… really?
You’re supposed to grind it against your chest
This thing looks like such a piece of shit man, it's crazy how little testing must have gone into this. If you even had 50 people try this thing, you'd think that probably 40 of them would tell you "hey man this feels bad to use". They must have either ignored this feedback or just not sought it out in the first place
Complaining about the Pietro user experience is like having a Ferrari and complaining about how difficult it is to get in and how it handles speed bumps when you're on the way to your kids school. 🙃
You just ignore it because the end result is pure Fun.
And anyone that buys a hand grinder is not looking for convenience anyway.
Maybe your reviewer brain is just wired to detect pro's and cons more than normal people do. 😉
It’s funny because I used this exact analogy in my first review, and I live this out because I still “drive” this grinder basically daily. I look at my role as consumer education - I get a lot of people “looking for their first hand grinder”, wanting to get the best and asking about Pietro. If they can walk into that decision with their eyes open, mission accomplished imo! ☕️🔥
@@DaddyGotCoffee well, that's Italian design I guess! You gotta work for the greatness! 😉
Consumer education is tricky, I sometimes see people get extremely annoyed by things that don't bother me at all, but more often it's the opposite.
We sell Pietro since day one, and most early adopters that inquired about the base never came back to buy one, as they got used to it. I do like that you can fit the base and it's not in the way of taking out the burrs, etc
Pietro is definitely one of the worst grinder in the market. All my friends told me the same thing that this grinder is completely unusable and bad design. It’s difficult to grind every time . I don’t drink espresso, so I cannot comment on this part . However, if Pietro is with light roast, it’s awful to use.
Both ZP6 and Pietro are overhyped and overrated. If you like clean cup, JE plus or Kinu normal burr are the best choices. I have all these grinders except Pietro . I am telling you by my personal experience everyday. Clean cup isn’t the best way to taste the coffee. It’s just a bs teach the coffee beginners. I totally agreed with your video.
Thank you so much! Agreed for beginners - not a first or only coffee grinder for sure. Fantastic tool in your gear tool belt if you like clarity and can get past the ergonomics and price. I am working on getting some Kinus to review!
@@DaddyGotCoffee I have 8 grinders at home . My friend got 30 hand grinders. Although we don’t have something like Helor 106, kinu m68 , OE apex, nor HG-2. we almost have all major manual grinders on hand, so if you need any info, please feel free to ask.
Can you DM me on IG?
@@DaddyGotCoffee sure
You seem like a lovely guy, not a jerk or anything 🙄
This should've just been an electric grinder.
Why are you keep using it on center of the table? It's designed to be used at the edge so your hand doesn't bump.. Lance's video mentions this...
The fact that users have to adapt to the grinder is just unacceptable 😂
No that's not a design feature but rather a bandaid fix / awkward adaptation
It was literally designed to be used that way. You dont hold a knife by the sharp edge right?
It's like hand cranking one of those manual pasta makers that you have to put on the edge of the table.
@@jeffpark58it’s not hard at all
Thank you for the video! More than I'm willing to spend. No thanks! My 1ZPresso K-Ultra does a pretty good job. 😉🤪🤗 God bless! Be safe!
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