I haven’t liked this Ben since he made that smug video, when he still had his Ford zx2, he made a condescending video about affording his cars because “it isn’t that hard, just manage your money” completely disregarding his free/heavy discounts... and years later when he gets bad COVID ( no idea if he’s vax or not ) does he sell his cars for money? No he begs online. This Ben is a turd.
The stress alone doing this kind of job isn’t worth the supposed center of gravity weight gain. The only way I’d be down to do this is if my car came from the factory like this already. A lot of sTi owners have sun roofs. It’s a better option having a sTi non sun roof car and leave the roof alone.
I know mark was a mechanic of some sort in the military, but to have the versatility he has working on cars is impressive even if he had years as a professional auto tech. More mark in the content please - I love seeing the way he goes about doing things.
I love how Jason on Engineering Explained just had a video saying goodbye to the Miata and mentioned how ridiculous carbon roofs are for how little weight you save for the price point
Props for making the attempt. Obviously youre going to have it 100% when its all said and done. I think the next move has to be different seats cuz they have to be hefty as hell
Guys, spot weld cutters and smoke machines to test for leaks are your friends. Good first attempt tho. You'll get it right, but like i always say "Hot rodding will kill us all... Usually from disappointments" 💪🏆
Lol I love this car but $7k for 8lbs and a whole lot of trouble😅.. This is why most people just wrap the roof. I’ll take this episode as a cautionary tale 😂
@@mengx94 Yes but with a GR corolla you know you have a car that's more reliable, fuel efficient, cheaper to maintain and way cheaper. So it's not really a fair comparison, still a great build.
It is that thing: you have to set a goal for your project. If you do not set an ending, you will end up putting stuff on your car that will make it worse and will cost you a lot. Right now, I have two projects: The street car is done and I enjoy it the same way it’s been two years. The off-road vehicle is crazy and I started to regret the three last major modifications. It has to stop.
I felt the pain at the end. I was very hopefull because I want to do the same thing to remove the sunroof. Getting rid of a sunroof would make a big difference in weight reduction. Keep in mind that you can still recover from this, just going to take some time. Money aside, IT IS FIXABLE 😁 But cmon, we all make mistakes on our builds, but we keep going because we love our cars ❤ Don't listen to all the negative comments, hang in there. I'm excited to see this car come back.
It makes me smile to see the Escort still hanging around in the background. That's such a cool looking little car, and I'd love to see more content with it. I get why it's been on the back burner for so long though.
I'm astonished at how much grinding these guys do without any masks. At this point they probably weigh about a pound more in steel and welding bead dust sitting in their lungs and gut. To anyone else, especially with carbon fiber, carbon fiber splinters your body doesn't register as foreign bodies and will never attack and expel like a wood splinter. It simply will sit in your lungs or wherever it lodges forever. It's why you need to use a full respirator and generally a negative pressure table when working with carbon or graphite. Steel at least will eventually find it's way out, but why breathe it in when it's simple to prevent?
Evolve Automotive just did their M3 touring during the week and they clamoed all the corners. I would go for this approach over putting tyres on the roof as any flex in the middle may pop the edges up. Solid job though and love the factory OEM carbon roof.
As an RSX Type S owner, I get it. The sunroof on the RSX is what separates it from the DC5 Integra Type R variant with a slick top and roof swapping is my #1 wanted mod. I totally get Ben's desire for a carbon fiber roof lol.
"Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also"
Dude, There is some beauty in putting blood, sweat, tears, and 8 hours of grinding into your project... it's definitely not the 8 hours of grinding, but there is beauty.
Marsh composites sells only carbon fiber, no fiberglass carbon trash They've got a roof for 1,300-1,500. Just in case anyone wants to get one without spending 7k Their fitments are also perfect I highly suggest checking them out if you want oem sized fenders full carbon, hood, etc.
as a former WRX STi owner, I can't believe you did this. if i'd started cutting into mine, i would've just kept going until the pieces were perfectly junkyard sized. >.> (it was a lemon)
I have always toyed with that thought but couldnt bare to mess around with my daily. Kudos to Ben and Mark for attempting this. U know what? The weight savings may not be worth it, but I think what many ppl missed was the drop in cg. I mean, u can try reducing weight elsewhere; seats, fenders, bonnet, boot, u name it, but nothing is as heavy and sits as high up as the roof of a 4 door sedan. The next best thing is risk cracking your bumpers, scraping your undercarriage at every other speed bump with coilovers.
I said at the start of the video this is a stupid waste of time and money. But I can say now at the end that that was a stupid waste of time and money.
intro was hard to watch and wrap my head around. but the amount of money and effort you put it, makes it actually kinda cool. good work boys, I never want to see anything like this again.
At least one thing this video confirms is that we shouldn't waste our time replacing the roof with a carbon fiber one. Unless you have a youtube channel and you need to find a new project that nobody has done before... but what a waste of money. Mark should get a bonus on this job. 😆
This is a good example of all ways have someone experience with doing this kinds of jobs leave it to professionals or have them guide you in to doing it right
$7,000 for a carbon roof is absurd lol... Our shop makes carbon panels for boats, and I can assure you, a carbon roof for a car costs maybe $500 MAX to make.. $1500-2000 would at least be reasonable. And its really not even THAT labor intensive to drive up costs anywhere near these absurd markups. Unless carbon is that expensive in Japan now and I didnt know about it.. But that would make carbon 4-5x more expensive in Japan? Yeah I doubt that..
Good effort dough, I has happen to me try to fix something, and at the end have to run to a mechanic so they can finish it properly, but there is still satisfaction and lot of experience. Great job!!
It was such a pleasure meeting you guys at gridlife! Thanks for signing my Hondata!!!🖤 So sick that you installed the cf roof. Carbon fiber paint match doors next!?
If there’s something I truly respect about this channel, they not only document their successes but also their failures. Regardless of this hiccup, I know for fact you will overcome it. Don’t give up. Carbon roof looks 🔥🔥🔥
You were so preoccupied with whether or not you could. You didn't stop to think if you should.
I haven’t liked this Ben since he made that smug video, when he still had his Ford zx2, he made a condescending video about affording his cars because “it isn’t that hard, just manage your money” completely disregarding his free/heavy discounts... and years later when he gets bad COVID ( no idea if he’s vax or not ) does he sell his cars for money? No he begs online. This Ben is a turd.
*You didn't stop to think if Mark should*
I was thinking the same. Basically threw this STI to the trash
Damn you didn’t need to cook them that much lol
Ha! Jurassic Park!
Mark better get a raise after this episode 😅
The look on his face lol
definitely 👍
A for effort !
I was thinking this the entire episode. 😂
I’ve watch him wrench and diagnose but replacing an entire roof 😲
Lost it at the "After calmly discussing our options," nice throwback to the kei car series 😂
Yea same
yep also noticed it
It always reminds me of the "Dumbledore said calmly" meme hahaha
anyone else remember when ben said that this STI was going to be his /daily/?
daily as in work on it everyday hahaha
at this point, he might as well just gut it and use it for his wheel to wheel racing.
@@LChinezetoo unreliable for that, Subarus won't take the abuse..
@@geogmz8277 he swapped out the subaru block with an iAG block.
@@geogmz8277Subies compete and do well in almost all classes of racing. Minus roll racing and pure drag racing
What if they need to add 10 lbs of sealant to make it liquid tight?
lol
Gotta thank you guys for this one. I had illusions of putting an RA roof on my STi and now I'm 100% OUT 😂. I'll wrap that thing.
Haha..man you just beat me to the exact comment I was going to make. Me an vinyl wrap are about to become good friends!
Exactly who this video was intended for. This is just way too much work and money. Glad to see this whole process.
The stress alone doing this kind of job isn’t worth the supposed center of gravity weight gain. The only way I’d be down to do this is if my car came from the factory like this already. A lot of sTi owners have sun roofs. It’s a better option having a sTi non sun roof car and leave the roof alone.
yes. I had a chane to buy a RA roof. glad I didn't
I know mark was a mechanic of some sort in the military, but to have the versatility he has working on cars is impressive even if he had years as a professional auto tech. More mark in the content please - I love seeing the way he goes about doing things.
My father taught me an important lesson...don't fix something that ain't broke.
They're not fixing it
@@mitchellsteindlernow they will be 😅
Yeah don’t touch it unless you really really want that particular upgrade
@@hungryaliensoooo, technically it's broke 😂
Don’t change it unless you have TH-cam money.
I love how Jason on Engineering Explained just had a video saying goodbye to the Miata and mentioned how ridiculous carbon roofs are for how little weight you save for the price point
I watched that video just before this one. Perhaps these guys should’ve watched it too before spending all that time and money on a leaky roof 😄
Like I said in the last video
This STi is gonna go from "500hp daily" to MY STi IS A RACECAR NOW!
He just has to buy a few more race cars first
I had a bad day and then I watched this episode, I think I'm alright now. Thank you Ben & Mark.
Couldn’t agree more!
Props for making the attempt. Obviously youre going to have it 100% when its all said and done. I think the next move has to be different seats cuz they have to be hefty as hell
That and a carbon trunk for sure
Mark better get his own build series after all this lol
Absolutely, or I quit
As much as I find this channel entertaining, the moral of each video you guys make seems to be that the more you modify your car, the worse it gets 😄.
Guys, spot weld cutters and smoke machines to test for leaks are your friends. Good first attempt tho. You'll get it right, but like i always say "Hot rodding will kill us all... Usually from disappointments" 💪🏆
The problem with sealing it up inside the car is that the water can still get into those channels and just sit and fester away in there.
Lol I love this car but $7k for 8lbs and a whole lot of trouble😅.. This is why most people just wrap the roof.
I’ll take this episode as a cautionary tale 😂
All this video did is make us feel bad for Mark
lol, it did haha, so true
This is what being a youtube car guy is all about - financially questionable decisions which are exceptionally entertaining.
I love how well Mark has just blended in with this channel/group he has been a great addition!
100k car, tens of thousands of hours, all for this, a Subaru with a leaking roof. Remarkable.
It'll be a way better car than gr corolla for sure
@@mengx94 Yes but with a GR corolla you know you have a car that's more reliable, fuel efficient, cheaper to maintain and way cheaper. So it's not really a fair comparison, still a great build.
The most Ben thing ever 😂
At least no one will attempt to do a carbon roof swap after this. Kudos to you both on experimenting this job
It is that thing: you have to set a goal for your project. If you do not set an ending, you will end up putting stuff on your car that will make it worse and will cost you a lot.
Right now, I have two projects:
The street car is done and I enjoy it the same way it’s been two years.
The off-road vehicle is crazy and I started to regret the three last major modifications. It has to stop.
I felt the pain at the end. I was very hopefull because I want to do the same thing to remove the sunroof. Getting rid of a sunroof would make a big difference in weight reduction.
Keep in mind that you can still recover from this, just going to take some time. Money aside, IT IS FIXABLE 😁
But cmon, we all make mistakes on our builds, but we keep going because we love our cars ❤
Don't listen to all the negative comments, hang in there. I'm excited to see this car come back.
good job, you guys are really raising the roof with these uploads
You guys are so good at filming, story telling, choosing music... It's an emotional rollercoaster for "just" one mod. I love this channel
Mark is just as important to this channel as the cars are. We need tonsee his S2K get some love though.
Bought a set of 4 Continental tires at discount tire through your link. Thank you!
It makes me smile to see the Escort still hanging around in the background. That's such a cool looking little car, and I'd love to see more content with it. I get why it's been on the back burner for so long though.
Thanks! The level of craft in this episode was amazing.
Took some SERIOUS guts and commitment to take on mod of this level. Win, lose, or draw. GREAT JOB! 💪👏👏👏
Mark is the man! We need more recognition for Mark!
Bro don’t ever give up. Just keep going. We here to support u. Keep them videos coming. You’ll get thru this just have faith in god. Blessings 🙏🏼🙏🏼
I'm astonished at how much grinding these guys do without any masks. At this point they probably weigh about a pound more in steel and welding bead dust sitting in their lungs and gut.
To anyone else, especially with carbon fiber, carbon fiber splinters your body doesn't register as foreign bodies and will never attack and expel like a wood splinter. It simply will sit in your lungs or wherever it lodges forever. It's why you need to use a full respirator and generally a negative pressure table when working with carbon or graphite. Steel at least will eventually find it's way out, but why breathe it in when it's simple to prevent?
TLDW: cost 7 grand and 3 weeks worth of labor, saved 8 pounds, but it leaks so he won’t use it anyway.
What a complete fool for cutting the roof for views.
This video was a GREAT display of a mod you shouldn't do and all the reasons lol hope you guys get it fixed for your peace of mind Ben
Evolve Automotive just did their M3 touring during the week and they clamoed all the corners. I would go for this approach over putting tyres on the roof as any flex in the middle may pop the edges up.
Solid job though and love the factory OEM carbon roof.
As an RSX Type S owner, I get it. The sunroof on the RSX is what separates it from the DC5 Integra Type R variant with a slick top and roof swapping is my #1 wanted mod. I totally get Ben's desire for a carbon fiber roof lol.
Can’t you just take out the sunroof and weld in some more metal?
@@AudiRSAvant some people do. Think what happens is the plug ends up deforming over time, so the roof panel swap is preferred by others.
That was a good video. I really dislike when things don't workout. But helps us become better.
"Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal, but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust destroys and where thieves do not break in and steal. For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also"
Mark is a trooper and deserves a raise
Dude, There is some beauty in putting blood, sweat, tears, and 8 hours of grinding into your project... it's definitely not the 8 hours of grinding, but there is beauty.
"after calmly discussing our options" thank god its still going
Appreciate you taking one for the team! 😅
Great video. Makes me not want to drive my car but also makes me want to drive it more. So much goes in to that prep.
Marsh composites sells only carbon fiber, no fiberglass carbon trash
They've got a roof for 1,300-1,500.
Just in case anyone wants to get one without spending 7k
Their fitments are also perfect
I highly suggest checking them out if you want oem sized fenders full carbon, hood, etc.
I came here for this comment. Marsh also claims 16 lb reduction.
Well that sucks... And now it's leaking. I have a feeling this STI will be on Sale soon!
Man you guys are game. I love working on cars but zero chance I'd ever do this level of a job. Well done!
Gear and gasoline trying to keep their car as stock as possible for atleast 3 years challange *(IMPOSSIBLE)* *(GONE SEXUAL?!?)*
as a former WRX STi owner, I can't believe you did this. if i'd started cutting into mine, i would've just kept going until the pieces were perfectly junkyard sized. >.>
(it was a lemon)
This has to be the best video I've ever seen about the dumbest thing ever. Amazing contrast. I bet you guys learned a lot from it though.
Deng those floors are squeaky clean
What i like about this channel is that they are very meticulous in rust and aesthetics.
“After calmly discussing our option…”
I get PTSD from this.
I wonder how regular Ben drives this car
Regular Ben? Is Asian Ben not regular? Also he daily’s it
@@austinlee9291regular sized ben
@@hunterbodell1129 small ben
@@austinlee9291He meant how regularly* dont be so dense
Ima guess less than the F150. The real daily 😂
I have always toyed with that thought but couldnt bare to mess around with my daily. Kudos to Ben and Mark for attempting this. U know what? The weight savings may not be worth it, but I think what many ppl missed was the drop in cg. I mean, u can try reducing weight elsewhere; seats, fenders, bonnet, boot, u name it, but nothing is as heavy and sits as high up as the roof of a 4 door sedan. The next best thing is risk cracking your bumpers, scraping your undercarriage at every other speed bump with coilovers.
Tell us more about that CF roof when you build a race car with complete seam welding and a cage 😅
If you take tire valve stems and put them in a drill. Itll take the rubber/sealant off with out using razor blades. You guy did a great job!!!!!
I said at the start of the video this is a stupid waste of time and money. But I can say now at the end that that was a stupid waste of time and money.
You boys do this upgrade so others learn not to even attempt it. A for effort.
So is this why you wanted the non sunroof version to begin with?
Probably. But, non-moonroof roofs are significantly lighter and more rigid.
Kinda a waste of a non-moonroof chassis to just rip it out and put in a carbon roof anyways.
and more headroom
@@haphazard1342 What's the waste (other than money)? It dropped nearly 10 lbs off the car which may lower the center of gravity an inch or two.
less than that@@mhicaoidh1
Lot of work. Both of your patients is impressive
intro was hard to watch and wrap my head around. but the amount of money and effort you put it, makes it actually kinda cool. good work boys, I never want to see anything like this again.
This is the most ben thorn thing hahaha
Mark is the man
At least one thing this video confirms is that we shouldn't waste our time replacing the roof with a carbon fiber one. Unless you have a youtube channel and you need to find a new project that nobody has done before... but what a waste of money. Mark should get a bonus on this job. 😆
Mark is a patient man, damn.
Things I will never attempt to do for $100 Mr. Trebeck
... or "for $7000" as the case may be. 😉
Same here man
These guys talkin' about pounds each time like they are seconds per laps. Bruh, just skip breakfast and you're straight
If anything, for science! Thanks for not hiding the leak problem.
So much respect for the amount of work and determination
This is a good example of all ways have someone experience with doing this kinds of jobs leave it to professionals or have them guide you in to doing it right
That is a monumental amount of work.
I respect it, this is your pride and joy, the little details make it perfect :)
Great video, Your videos are so therapeutic to watch. Keep making them.
So thankful I get to watch you guys do this instead of having to do it myself I get wtfs just hearing you talk about it 😅
This is the most m subaru STI thing to do..this is like the last bosss mod Sti ownership level type of shit and I’m here for it…wild….love it haha
thank you for suffering through this so that we didn't have to. all for the passion. now do a miata build!
And to think that they painted the hood and wings because they wanted something subtle 🤣
$7,000 for a carbon roof is absurd lol... Our shop makes carbon panels for boats, and I can assure you, a carbon roof for a car costs maybe $500 MAX to make.. $1500-2000 would at least be reasonable. And its really not even THAT labor intensive to drive up costs anywhere near these absurd markups. Unless carbon is that expensive in Japan now and I didnt know about it.. But that would make carbon 4-5x more expensive in Japan? Yeah I doubt that..
Good effort dough, I has happen to me try to fix something, and at the end have to run to a mechanic so they can finish it properly, but there is still satisfaction and lot of experience. Great job!!
It was such a pleasure meeting you guys at gridlife! Thanks for signing my Hondata!!!🖤
So sick that you installed the cf roof. Carbon fiber paint match doors next!?
Mark is such a good friend, sucks the roof leaks after all that hard work….but damn that STi looks good.
I love how you guys make a video once every thing is in place. You don’t remove a part and then say “come back for part 2 when we have every thing”
Gives new meaning to the term “Labor of Love”.
Over the last year you guys have become my favourite automotive content creators. Can't wait to see the Rx7 get bridgeported ;)
the red RX7 is K swapped and the Yellow one was sold a while back so I doubt that's a piece of content we'll be getting anytime soon. 😅
@kuma_score7536 oh man I didn't see that they sold the yellow one. Foolish me.
Marc is an absolute BOSS.
This is starting to delve into the realm of deep OEM+ mods.
My favourite kind!
This things gonna be so nice you wont even want to drive it anymore! Haha amazing car i love this build as always G&G is in a class of their own.
I’m so glad you’re doing this, I’ve been sitting on a type ra roof for almost two years now, too worried to install it on my Sti.
Damn you.. I think that's the one I've been keeping an eye on! Good grab!
Not in a bad way, but I can fall asleep so easily to this video. Just soothing lol😅
Great video! Mark is really entertaining 😂
This is how not the end a project car, can't imagine how ben is getting ideas modifying a "stock" impreza
“What?! No wayyyyy” 😂😂😂 IYKYK
If there’s something I truly respect about this channel, they not only document their successes but also their failures. Regardless of this hiccup, I know for fact you will overcome it. Don’t give up. Carbon roof looks 🔥🔥🔥
I just noticed my Polaroid is on your black tool box!!! It was awesome seeing you guys at NJMP GridLife, look forward to seeing ya'll again next year!
I have continental 6’s in my G1 insight and I think they’re the best eco tyre on the market. The Michelin tyres go rock hard and crack so soon!
Miss the blue ford, was nice seeing it’s still around. Pls bring back content on it
At this point just keep building it as your next Time Attack car! ❤
My god, He needs to be stopped!
dynamic duo + fantastic music