The thing is, if Mojang wants to do a spin off game, they have to make something a little more like actual Minecraft and less like a lukewarm game that really doesn't benefit from being set in the minecraft world.
It'd be really cool if they could partner with 4J to bring back the minigames from console edition. You know, the minigames like battle, tumble, and glide. They could even expand on the minigames if they want to by adding more minigames and maps. I know 4J is already working on a game like that but I'm sure 4J would appreciate the help from Mojang developers.
I do sort of agree, however MCD wasnt bad at all up until it just died. MCSM is now very old but depends on how you look at it it also wasnt so bad. Earth idk I didnt really think too lightly of it and Legends was just...not executed right, at all. Its probably the spinoff game with the most original concept, but it is just bad, that right there is what you call a waste.
NGL, I do think a Tetris and Minecraft crossover spinoff would actually be quite interesting, but it also needs a reason, in which I think such a game needs to fuse the mechanics of Minecraft and Tetris such as the Tetrominos randomly changing block types, depending on the level and you get random special block Monominos such as TNT or Pistons, so you get an experience that's a freshener of regular Tetris. It should also have game modes such as Classic Tetris, in case you want the real thing with the iconic colors consistently in the Tetrominos. It may not last long but it's not too difficult to put replay value in a puzzle game that is known to be well designed.
The concept of allays gathering and building stuff for you is interesting - in vanilla Minecraft, they're kinda pointless compared to hopper minecarts. Not sure if that would be a good idea to add to vanilla survival, but maybe it would make sense for adventure maps and the like? Or maybe it's fine because players already build absurdly efficient farms for everything anyway.
For the love of all that is Holy, Mojang needs to stop wasting resources on spin-offs, and take all those mobs, blocks and features they poured into Legends & Dungeons, and put them in Vanilla Minecraft, where they belong.
Yeah, some actual new content in the base game would be nice (outside of critters that have no purpose in the world). Also, how about updating Java to be more in line with Bedrock? I tried Bedrock a few days ago, and the UI is way better, it's animated, it looks cleaner, and there's several little tweaks in Bedrock that I wished were in Java. Heck, they know there's a HUGE modding scene for Minecraft, they should do what Starbound did and embrace it instead of forcing Java players to use an outdated client that's missing a lot of features. Oh, but that'd cut into their Minecraft Store profits... who am I kidding? /eyeroll
@@DhalinI don't like Bedrock's UI (at least when compared to Java's), it's really slow even when you disable animations. Java's UI fits in more with a PC interface too, those big buttons are pretty annoying on large screens that are close to you. I always use the lowest GUI scale in Bedrock and it's still too big! They need to add a UI that lets you toggle between a "console/desktop" mode and a "mobile" mode. Or just add more numbers to the scale slider. Bedrock also has a mix of new UI (unthemeable with texture packs btw) and the normal UI, which is really weird.
Dungeons is actually really good at putting together the feel of Minecraft in a combat-focused setting. You aren't building stuff in the world as much as you are your character!
the same reason why current MC doesn't know where it's going...lots of ideas that are usually never realized to its full potential because of time constraints/big wig control....if it's not an immediate hit, they'll shut it down
The comments are overthinking it. Legends was bad because the gameplay was bad. Minecraft Dungeons was good because it had both a good theme and good gameplay, even if it was short. I don’t mind new spinoffs made by other teams, so long as they’re good.
It shows in the retained players too… 363 vs 24 players within 24-hour peak on Steam comparing Dungeons and Legends respectively… and honestly Minecraft Dungeons would still have quite a bit more players if they simply worked on the game more instead of the life-support type of content they have been doing.
I think that Minecraft Legends might have done better if they had modeled the gameplay closer to something like Age of Empires and StarCraft but with Minecraft graphics, themes, lore, etc. There’s actually a lot of gameplay overlap with these kinds of games and Minecraft both being about resource gathering, building, advancing through a tech tree, fighting battles, etc, but once you put the player in the game as a “participant” in the battle then you seriously limit the amount of influence you have over what can take place. So instead of managing and controlling an entire army over the entire map, you end up micromanaging what is on your screen. To me, that removes a lot of the gameplay depth that makes real time strategy games enjoyable.
I am so glad that I didn’t buy this game because that gameplay of you playing the snowball mode was the most boring and barebones gameplay I’ve ever seen in a minecraft game
Legends was a game I didn't really think of much, I saw the first trailer, forgot about it entirely until youtubers started talking about it near release. Ended up trying the game, right away I saw the marketplace, which I'm really not fan of, if this was a f2p game sure, but instantly on the main screen not happy about it. The first 30min of the game was pretty fun, but the rest after got very boring for me. The multiplayer I never tried out, it just doesn't appeal to me. I might try the game out eventually again since it's recieved a few updates, but not anytime soon. On a side note, my brother really liked this game. I gave him a copy of Minecraft Dungeons after he got done with Legends on the hardest difficulity and he prefered Dungeons right away in terms of amount of content/replay value. Not trying to make a point, just thought that was kind of funny.
Minecraft dungeons 2 dungeons layout changes each time you enter (in the fist one the map rotates and gets paths that lead off 90% of the time to nothing) open world (small but able to travel to different places and gaining access to new areas after completing dungeons pvp aspect able to place down camp anywhere in the open world area better skin/character customization/ all items/stats and season progress carries over (you can chose to start a new playthrough ) transfer items form main play though to new day/night cycle even at camp guilds form 8--12 players (pvp battle mode defend and attack) able to build and place defenses in and out of camp (auto arrow dispense tower) I know that some stuff might be too much but these are just concepts that I would like to see in hopefully the next Minecraft game
Honestly, they keep doing genres that dont fit Minecraft. Minecraft Earth was the only one to fit but it died to Covid. Give us a City builder where we can customize the looks of each building or a Factorio like game where its more kid like with enchantments instead of Guns. Generes that let players be creative
I cannot stress this enough; Mojang wants to keep thier jobs. They got bought out by Microsoft that means they litterally owe Microsoft's investors the money spent on buying Mojang with intrest, and less server expenses. They have to make waves for people to buy new stuff or a copy of Mincraft. And they have thier hands tied behind thier back, having to get approval from either Bill Gates or the board of really old directors who still think people are playing E.T. on Atari's have to unamiously agree to a new game fransiche or stand alone title. And this is Microsoft a VERY permissive corp. Thats lucky.
I cannot stress this enough; Mojang wants to keep thier jobs. They got bought out by Microsoft that means they litterally owe Microsoft's investors the money spent on buying Mojang with intrest, and less server expenses. They have to make waves for people to buy new stuff or a copy of Mincraft. And they have thier hands tied behind thier back, having to get approval from either Bill Gates or the board of really old directors who still think people are playing E.T. on Atari's have to unamiously agree to a new game fransiche or stand alone title. And this is Microsoft a VERY permissive corp. Thats lucky.
Minecraft spinoffs dont work because people like minecraft the GAME, not minecraft the WORLD. They dont have the characters, locations, or anything that makes most spinoffs work.
@@timohara7717 story mode is popular because its a telltale game with minecraft slapped on. Its not rrally a minecraft game, though i guess you could say that for all the minecraft spinoffs in general
@@literallygrass1328 they could use my story about the First Turkish War in Minecraft or the Battle of New Russia (Moscow) in Minecraft Minecraft : The First Turkish War Minecraft : Battle of New Russia (it's COD, but Minecraft)
I would’ve loved it if Minecraft Legends design style was more like the Bare Bones texture or style in the update trailers while also playing as Steve or Alex. I think it’d be more exciting if it was similar to the original game
Regardless of how the game ended, it was amazing to get to make a video with you on it. It was the one where we tried to destroy the entire world, then we just filled it with gates, lol. Thanks for the opportunity ibxtoycat!
I actually met one of the devs of minecraft legends, and from what i heard from him its really hard to make a spin-off minecraft game because microsoft is really strict on everything related to minecraft. Stuff like "The creeper would never be addded to minecraft in 2024" is not speculation, its reality.
Its makes me so mad. This game had so much potential... The gameplay is not for everyone, but if they had _actually_ put development resources into a proper in-depth multiplayer mode, actually had endgame content, _and especially_ allowed creators to make their own Myths to include in the marketplace! It was too overpriced for the niche it fills, especially with how little content there is in the base game. :(
I was hyped for a Minecraft RTS when they anounced it. Then I saw the "RTS“ gameplay and got disappointed. I was hyped for a classic Command and Conquer or Stronghold style rts game.
Haven't played it. I have watched a couple play throughs... But the game mechanics don't make any sense to me as I see them. Almost as if people who really didn't have any hand in developing the core game were given artistic liberties with every Lore worthy aspect of the universe. Why are the hostile mobs friendly with everyone? Why do Skeletons have noses and helmets? What is the deal with the negligent hosts? Prismarine? *shrug* Weird. Just weird.
Seems like Microsoft could have saved a lot of time, energy, and headaches by just releasing Warcraft 2 and Warcraft 3 for the Xbox, because it’s essentially what they tried and failed to create with this game. All I can do is shake my head. I actually stopped playing Minecraft because it became playing became equivalent to a homework assignment to accomplish anything in the game. I guess they had to evolve to appeal to a new type of player, and I’m ok with that; however I could no longer enjoy playing the game, and nostalgia wasn’t enough to keep me around anymore. Moved on to new games and new adventures.
Variety of reasons as to why I expected this game to fail but the biggest is prob the disappointment players had in both recent updates in the main game and also how they never finished minecraft dungeons and then sold the other half as DLC.
What people don't realize, is that people liked Minecraft because at the time, it was a unique and revolutionary game. It was a fully 3D game that allowed you to fully manipulate your environment any way you pleased, block-by-block and I can't think of any other game (at the time) that allowed you to do this. Even when Terraria came out soon afterwards, it was 2D which set it apart from Minecraft. Also, Terraria went towards more content than just giving you an empty sandbox but that's a separate rant of mine. Anywho, its popularity blew up, and once something gets popular, it tends to STAY popular, because it already has an established playerbase. Most games that tried to do similar, got tagged as a "Minecraft Ripoff" and heck even Terraria had been called that a few times, but most people know that's not true because the two games have entirely different foci. Now, fast-forward a bunch of years later, and Microsoft/Mojang decides they're not making enough money from the sales of the base game alone, so how do they fix that? They try merch which works somewhat, they try some in-game purchases, but did you see what happened during the last 5 years with MTX in games? They became _wildly_ unpopular, the EU put heavy restrictions on lootboxes, Day One DLCs are mocked by the majority of playerbases, and people are just DONE with MTX in games. NFT games didn't fare any better, they actually did worse, and those are mocked even more. So how do you make more money? You make another game. But, how do you make a "Minecraft 2"? You don't, not really. Anything you try to do with a Minecraft 2, people will go "but why not just add that stuff to Minecraft?" And so, Spinoff games were their answer. But... wait. These spinoff games are basically the same thing as other games they are based off of, only with a Minecraft skin, and... one thing that Minecraft _doesn't_ have, is good graphics. Oh, people will tell you there's a "charm" in Minecraft graphics, but I always saw it as a limitation. Minecraft is blocky because, well, the world is made up of blocks. That's how you can manipulate the world's terrain so easily. Even Terraria uses blocks, though it can get away with more because it's a 2D environment instead of a 3D one. It's easier to do in 2D. Nobody goes "oh, Minecraft has such awesome graphics because it's made up of blocks!" ... so taking a game, like League of Legends and slapping Minecraft blocks ontop of it was always going to be some gimmicky thing. If you wanted LoL, then you'd just _play_ LoL. If you liked the aesthetics of Minecraft _that_ much, then you'd just..... play Minecraft? Especially when they wanted to charge money and make these things online-only. Heck, I tried out Bedrock for the first time a couple days ago and you wanna know what I noticed immediately? You can't pause in Bedrock. Even when you have the closest thing to "solo" enabled. No players can enter your world, but yet you still can't PAUSE the game. For all the neat little UI upgrades and other little things they changed in Bedrock, the first thing I noticed is that I can't play truly solo and offline. And indeed, there's a lot of players who hate that "online only" thing that a lot of games are doing anymore. But anyhow, that's why these games fail. They are gimmicky and they are lacking depth, and at the end of the day they end up just being clones of existing games banking on the Minecraft brand without delivering any kind of unique experience.
@@timohara7717 There were a series of games made by people involved with cryptocurrency that featured NFT, basically those pieces of "artwork" that were all digital and supposedly worth cryptocurrency though most people just laughed at it. And I would argue that some of those Lego games are kinda meh, for much of the same reason. I wanna build with Lego, not play a video game that vaguely looks like Lego but doesn't actually let me build anything, lol
I would have rather had them add Minecraft Legends into Minecraft rather than make it an individual game bill that does change the fundamentals of the game so I see why people don't want that
Minecraft is still doing phenomenal in terms of sales, since you see it on basically every single top ___ sales chart on consoles. But Mojang and Microsoft seemingly agreed that they could grow the franchise with new games. And as you said, these spinoffs are very shallow/gimmicky and lose players fairly easily. On the bright side, Mojang got a new CEO at the end of last year and they could potentially make changes to the spinoff teams.
I would have rather had them add Minecraft Legends into Minecraft rather than make it an individual game but that does change the fundamentals of the game so I see why people don't want that
Why don’t they just focus on making updates like the nether update? Minecraft was at its hottest back then. I’m nostalgic for that time. It seems like since then every update has declined in overall hype.
Instead of making a bunch of themed games based off of Minecraft and instead focus on the game itself, cave's and cliffs was a collosal failure that could have been fixed if they paid any attention to it on day one also the main way mojang gets there content is from mods, if they made a forge mode or separate game I'd buy it and never leave it
I bought the game almost as soon as it came out, and it wasn't super bad until u had to go start dealing with nightly raids on your villages and building takes longer than u expect, especially because at least at first resource gathering was just not as good as u would assume.
When ET came out for Atari 2600 it was deemed a failure. It was actually a simple game to explore a world, gathering phone pieces. It was just the falling into pits that was too easy/annoying. I don't get the swinging a 500-pound sword and having everyone die genre. Maybe new games should have a Milkshake stand to get snackies.
my entire playthrough of ledgends consisted of doing tutorial getting in game, running to the first village for 5 minutes doing battle and combat building getting told to go to another entire village running getting bored and quitting then and there i did not enjoy legends, it was bland and stale and wasn't satisfying enough for me to run to the next village just to do very little in terms of doing things i knew legends was gonna be a flop anyways, the previews and things they showed us up until launch looked boring as hell their multiplayer showcase during minecraft live was one such instance of just doing the same motions over and over again but with more people to speed up the repetitive process of throwing troops into the battle even through their faces they were getting bored of the gameplay i found it hard to stay awake (to be fair it was at like 3am) i wish mojang rather than focus on their spinoff titles they just focus on making the game better rather than splitting their money and rescources to random projects that are built for a small fortune in quick bursts while leaving the community super dissapointed in both mojang and the games minecraft is falling into a pit with these horrible updates as of recent and blatantly ignoring their community the fact minecraft legends is closing now is a showcase to why mojang needs to stop making spinoffs which try to make a unique gameplay but with repetitive gameplay at least with minecraft dungeons the mechanics and the combat was fluent enough that the game was fun to play
2 years of development for a bare bones game thats more expensive than minecraft and its hot garbage. I tried playing it again and only played maybe 15 minutes then quit because the player doesnt really do anything
What happened is a lesson for Microsoft. That if they're going to make a new game, they have to make it right, in order for the game to be well-received, it has to be done well, without bugs and without things that will turn players off, such as microtransactions, or the Marketplace. Minecraft Dungeons survived for 3 years because the game was much better organized. Minecraft legends had a lot of Paid Stuff and bugs at launch, but the game was also poorly balanced. The tutorial was way too long. The game, was just bad...
If they wanna make a Minecraft spin-off game, why not make a different game type in the same genre the base game couldn't. Like a sandbox dungeon game, which wouldn't have to stick to Minecraft's existung items.
MC Legends is sort of a tragedy. I loved the gameplay, it was an interesting take on the realtime strategy formula..but too easy. I have no idea how, but this game could use more depth and gameplay elements to "fill out" the experience.
You should make a video about the new addon button that's in user owned content section of the Minecraft market place, maybe you would make a make a hard core mode, I've seen a few but most of them are haft bad at best
Just seeing the gameplay, it feels a bit less like "real time strategy in Minecraft" and more "random tactics game with the odd building mechanic that has a minecraft skin". If they wanted to do something more Minecraft-like, I feel them just copying the old Settlers game (Either Settlers 2 with its pathway systems, or Settlers 3/4 without). As that series is about gathering resources, refining resources, using multiple jobs to expand your village and options, and defeat enemies in somewhat light form of combat. Making the building a bit more free-form and expanding it, and it would've been a good fit for a hands-off-version of Minecraft. Heck, Settlers 4 even had an enemy-exclusive faction that had a form of terrain-infection that could be immitated by making it Nether-themed.
It’s hilarious that they had the nerve to lie so much about the “success” of Legends, meanwhile the game that would have been nice if they put more work (than the Towers-thing life support content) Minecraft Dungeons gets 363 24-hour peak players meanwhile Legends has 24 24-hour peak players on Steam… the game they ditched because it wasn’t *quite* giving them enough money despite people finding it fun, they turned to arguably an alright at best to bad game that they had actively LIE about its performance at Minecraft Live etc. Legends isn’t even getting the life support content that Dungeons still gets! Yet they had to lie to us that “no no, Legends is doing so insanely good so many people across the world are enjoying this game!”
Simple; what went wrong is that they’re focusing on a stupid spin off of minecraft instead of minecraft. The only spinoff that was actually pretty good was dungeons.
sadge it looks so beautiful too. im gonna get it once i get my windows pc up and running for sure. it looks so chill :D edit: also my cats love listening to your voice and your background music they are in a trance dozing off
Minecraft was the result of a vision of one dude. Sure Mojang have added to the game over the years but the core of the game was what a single guy wanted to make and he made it happen. All the rest of this stuff is just corporate BS trying to make some extra cash on the side.
dungeons was not even that bad but from the videos legends looks so bad and as over people are saying they should add all the features to the vanilla game
I feel like Minecraft could have learned from Minecraft earth. It was repetitive, boring, lacked any real content, and gave you no incentive to keep playing.
Oh shoot hahaha! Yea unfortunately, I really just didn’t enjoy this game very much. Honestly, I really enjoyed the aesthetic, but really it was just not overly fun. Secretly the main reason it failed is because Blackbird studio in Vancouver, is in Vancouver! Lay-off city where no one is happy working on art anymore because it’s saturated in lies. Hahah or yeah what IBX said.
maybe now we will get more features to mc now they have cancelled legends they need to learn if it aint broke dont fix it like normal minecraft they should just stick to minecraft however dungeons was good ngl
The second I played Minecraft legends, I was so mad I uninstalled it after playing 30 min, I wished for a refund but couldn't get one. Legends is a joke, completely wasted my time and money.
Minecraft is not that game, it’s a different game with a Minecraft spin that literally also added stuff that’s not even in Minecraft so it alienated its audience
Mojang is a one trick pony. They keep trying to use Minecraft and squeeze for all its got. Just make an original game with nothing to do with Minecraft instead of constantly making weak spinoffs.
I'm glad I bought Legends at GameStop as opposed to somewhere with a less lenient return policy, because I didn't like it a tall and returned it a week later.
Idk man minecraft legends is just meh level is not bad but it's just damn boring game you just doing the same mission again and again like protect villagers and destroy the nether portal now doing again damn it the game just really repetitive you just doing the same thing again oh did I forget this game has microtransactions well now you know man they really wasting time making this game and it's about two years develop for this game and this is the result for making this game about two years man that's really disappointed
I'm not going to comment on the length issue, but I will say raw unwaxxed copper is the superior form of the mineral. Also annoying they didn't include an infinite replay mode in the game, or you know, some mining and such. Could have been a great game.
lets be real, minecraft is mojangs money maker. Legends, dungeons etc are side games for extra income. Personally if im gonnna play minecraft, im gonna play minecraft.
I’m hoping that with how Minecraft Legends turned out, Mojang realizes that people won’t a play a game just because it has Minecraft branding. Here’s hoping that in the future, Mojang either makes better spinoffs or focuses all of their attention on Minecraft.
The thing is, if Mojang wants to do a spin off game, they have to make something a little more like actual Minecraft and less like a lukewarm game that really doesn't benefit from being set in the minecraft world.
It'd be really cool if they could partner with 4J to bring back the minigames from console edition. You know, the minigames like battle, tumble, and glide. They could even expand on the minigames if they want to by adding more minigames and maps. I know 4J is already working on a game like that but I'm sure 4J would appreciate the help from Mojang developers.
I do sort of agree, however MCD wasnt bad at all up until it just died. MCSM is now very old but depends on how you look at it it also wasnt so bad. Earth idk I didnt really think too lightly of it and Legends was just...not executed right, at all. Its probably the spinoff game with the most original concept, but it is just bad, that right there is what you call a waste.
Yeah. Legends was a mid-at-best game with a minecraft veneer. nobody cared in the end
NGL, I do think a Tetris and Minecraft crossover spinoff would actually be quite interesting, but it also needs a reason, in which I think such a game needs to fuse the mechanics of Minecraft and Tetris such as the Tetrominos randomly changing block types, depending on the level and you get random special block Monominos such as TNT or Pistons, so you get an experience that's a freshener of regular Tetris. It should also have game modes such as Classic Tetris, in case you want the real thing with the iconic colors consistently in the Tetrominos.
It may not last long but it's not too difficult to put replay value in a puzzle game that is known to be well designed.
The concept of allays gathering and building stuff for you is interesting - in vanilla Minecraft, they're kinda pointless compared to hopper minecarts. Not sure if that would be a good idea to add to vanilla survival, but maybe it would make sense for adventure maps and the like? Or maybe it's fine because players already build absurdly efficient farms for everything anyway.
For the love of all that is Holy, Mojang needs to stop wasting resources on spin-offs, and take all those mobs, blocks and features they poured into Legends & Dungeons, and put them in Vanilla Minecraft, where they belong.
Yeah! But apparently, they rather waste even less resources on the actual updates
Yeah, some actual new content in the base game would be nice (outside of critters that have no purpose in the world). Also, how about updating Java to be more in line with Bedrock? I tried Bedrock a few days ago, and the UI is way better, it's animated, it looks cleaner, and there's several little tweaks in Bedrock that I wished were in Java. Heck, they know there's a HUGE modding scene for Minecraft, they should do what Starbound did and embrace it instead of forcing Java players to use an outdated client that's missing a lot of features. Oh, but that'd cut into their Minecraft Store profits... who am I kidding? /eyeroll
@@DhalinThey add all these little tweaks to bedrock, thinking it will make it better while all it needs is its bugs fixed
@@DhalinI don't like Bedrock's UI (at least when compared to Java's), it's really slow even when you disable animations.
Java's UI fits in more with a PC interface too, those big buttons are pretty annoying on large screens that are close to you.
I always use the lowest GUI scale in Bedrock and it's still too big!
They need to add a UI that lets you toggle between a "console/desktop" mode and a "mobile" mode. Or just add more numbers to the scale slider.
Bedrock also has a mix of new UI (unthemeable with texture packs btw) and the normal UI, which is really weird.
ok. Let imagine that. Mincrafts done, fully compleate, no spin offs, no further updates.
Why does Microsoft keep Mojang around?
This and minecraft dungeons are minecraft without the mine or craft
we don't need a new minecraft, we need better Minecraft
Most true thing ever said
5 years of wasted development that could have been on the main Minecraft game!
In dungeons you only mined in story mode you only crafted this is suspicious you Minecraft but maybe not
Dungeons is actually really good at putting together the feel of Minecraft in a combat-focused setting.
You aren't building stuff in the world as much as you are your character!
the same reason why current MC doesn't know where it's going...lots of ideas that are usually never realized to its full potential because of time constraints/big wig control....if it's not an immediate hit, they'll shut it down
Or ruin it after the fact for reasons that should not matter over the original function
@@AlechiaTheWitch yup
The comments are overthinking it. Legends was bad because the gameplay was bad. Minecraft Dungeons was good because it had both a good theme and good gameplay, even if it was short.
I don’t mind new spinoffs made by other teams, so long as they’re good.
It shows in the retained players too… 363 vs 24 players within 24-hour peak on Steam comparing Dungeons and Legends respectively… and honestly Minecraft Dungeons would still have quite a bit more players if they simply worked on the game more instead of the life-support type of content they have been doing.
I think that Minecraft Legends might have done better if they had modeled the gameplay closer to something like Age of Empires and StarCraft but with Minecraft graphics, themes, lore, etc. There’s actually a lot of gameplay overlap with these kinds of games and Minecraft both being about resource gathering, building, advancing through a tech tree, fighting battles, etc, but once you put the player in the game as a “participant” in the battle then you seriously limit the amount of influence you have over what can take place. So instead of managing and controlling an entire army over the entire map, you end up micromanaging what is on your screen. To me, that removes a lot of the gameplay depth that makes real time strategy games enjoyable.
And it doesn’t help the fact that the only combat in the game is a sword, this was the most disappointing combat I have ever done!
Instead they went for the big head cutesy look
I am so glad that I didn’t buy this game because that gameplay of you playing the snowball mode was the most boring and barebones gameplay I’ve ever seen in a minecraft game
That's not even the main game geez... It was a Lost Legend, a side mode.
Legends was a game I didn't really think of much, I saw the first trailer, forgot about it entirely until youtubers started talking about it near release. Ended up trying the game, right away I saw the marketplace, which I'm really not fan of, if this was a f2p game sure, but instantly on the main screen not happy about it. The first 30min of the game was pretty fun, but the rest after got very boring for me. The multiplayer I never tried out, it just doesn't appeal to me. I might try the game out eventually again since it's recieved a few updates, but not anytime soon.
On a side note, my brother really liked this game. I gave him a copy of Minecraft Dungeons after he got done with Legends on the hardest difficulity and he prefered Dungeons right away in terms of amount of content/replay value. Not trying to make a point, just thought that was kind of funny.
Minecraft dungeons 2
dungeons layout changes each time you enter (in the fist one the map rotates and gets paths that lead off 90% of the time to nothing)
open world (small but able to travel to different places and gaining access to new areas after completing dungeons
pvp aspect able to place down camp anywhere in the open world area
better skin/character customization/ all items/stats and season progress carries over (you can chose to start a new playthrough )
transfer items form main play though to new
day/night cycle even at camp
guilds form 8--12 players (pvp battle mode defend and attack)
able to build and place defenses in and out of camp (auto arrow dispense tower)
I know that some stuff might be too much but these are just concepts that I would like to see in hopefully the next Minecraft game
God I cannot explain enough of how good mc dungeons is
Honestly, they keep doing genres that dont fit Minecraft. Minecraft Earth was the only one to fit but it died to Covid.
Give us a City builder where we can customize the looks of each building or a Factorio like game where its more kid like with enchantments instead of Guns. Generes that let players be creative
Minecraft is a sandbox game, it doesn't need stupid cashgrab spinoffs like Legends, we already paid for minecoins, what else do you want from us
Your wallet
Mojang could sell each yearly Minecraft update for $1 and they’d make $300,000,000 a year. Everyone would gladly pay for it. @@takethel5953
I cannot stress this enough;
Mojang wants to keep thier jobs.
They got bought out by Microsoft that means they litterally owe Microsoft's investors the money spent on buying Mojang with intrest, and less server expenses.
They have to make waves for people to buy new stuff or a copy of Mincraft.
And they have thier hands tied behind thier back, having to get approval from either Bill Gates or the board of really old directors who still think people are playing E.T. on Atari's have to unamiously agree to a new game fransiche or stand alone title.
And this is Microsoft a VERY permissive corp. Thats lucky.
I cannot stress this enough;
Mojang wants to keep thier jobs.
They got bought out by Microsoft that means they litterally owe Microsoft's investors the money spent on buying Mojang with intrest, and less server expenses.
They have to make waves for people to buy new stuff or a copy of Mincraft.
And they have thier hands tied behind thier back, having to get approval from either Bill Gates or the board of really old directors who still think people are playing E.T. on Atari's have to unamiously agree to a new game fransiche or stand alone title.
And this is Microsoft a VERY permissive corp. Thats lucky.
People usually don't pay so pay u
Minecraft spinoffs dont work because people like minecraft the GAME, not minecraft the WORLD. They dont have the characters, locations, or anything that makes most spinoffs work.
I wonder if minecraft will get on the list for most shut down spin offs games
Story mode? 4k? Mini?
@@timohara7717 story mode is popular because its a telltale game with minecraft slapped on. Its not rrally a minecraft game, though i guess you could say that for all the minecraft spinoffs in general
@@literallygrass1328 they could use my story about the First Turkish War in Minecraft or the Battle of New Russia (Moscow) in Minecraft
Minecraft : The First Turkish War
Minecraft : Battle of New Russia
(it's COD, but Minecraft)
@@timohara7717 what 4k?
Notch 4k or Microsoft 4k
would love to see an official ibxtoycat video essays playlist become a thing
Man, that hit pretty deep. Nice editing. You somehow were somber, uplifting, (and flirty?) simultaneously, for 33 minutes!
Toycat IS yes.
I would’ve loved it if Minecraft Legends design style was more like the Bare Bones texture or style in the update trailers while also playing as Steve or Alex.
I think it’d be more exciting if it was similar to the original game
This is the worst spinoff game no doubt it was awful
What went wrong? It sucked. Plain and simple.
Minecraft, without the mining... or the crafting
Regardless of how the game ended, it was amazing to get to make a video with you on it. It was the one where we tried to destroy the entire world, then we just filled it with gates, lol. Thanks for the opportunity ibxtoycat!
"Rather than fighting the fire, fight the person who started the fire" Ah yes very wise words from toycat. 4:26
If firefighters used this philosophy we'd all be screwed lmbo XD
Legacy console edition(s) doesn't belong on that list. It didn't die, it was killed.
This game should have been more like those big battles from Lego Clone Wars 3
Lego star wars 3: the clone wars🔥🔥🔥
I actually met one of the devs of minecraft legends, and from what i heard from him its really hard to make a spin-off minecraft game because microsoft is really strict on everything related to minecraft. Stuff like "The creeper would never be addded to minecraft in 2024" is not speculation, its reality.
In short, they should stick to what they know, which is maybe normal minecraft now days.
Its makes me so mad. This game had so much potential... The gameplay is not for everyone, but if they had _actually_ put development resources into a proper in-depth multiplayer mode, actually had endgame content, _and especially_ allowed creators to make their own Myths to include in the marketplace! It was too overpriced for the niche it fills, especially with how little content there is in the base game. :(
I was hyped for a Minecraft RTS when they anounced it.
Then I saw the "RTS“ gameplay and got disappointed.
I was hyped for a classic Command and Conquer or Stronghold style rts game.
Rest in piss Minecraft legends 2023-2023, you won't be missed.
Haven't played it. I have watched a couple play throughs... But the game mechanics don't make any sense to me as I see them. Almost as if people who really didn't have any hand in developing the core game were given artistic liberties with every Lore worthy aspect of the universe. Why are the hostile mobs friendly with everyone? Why do Skeletons have noses and helmets? What is the deal with the negligent hosts? Prismarine? *shrug*
Weird. Just weird.
Seems like Microsoft could have saved a lot of time, energy, and headaches by just releasing Warcraft 2 and Warcraft 3 for the Xbox, because it’s essentially what they tried and failed to create with this game. All I can do is shake my head. I actually stopped playing Minecraft because it became playing became equivalent to a homework assignment to accomplish anything in the game. I guess they had to evolve to appeal to a new type of player, and I’m ok with that; however I could no longer enjoy playing the game, and nostalgia wasn’t enough to keep me around anymore. Moved on to new games and new adventures.
They definitely should’ve gone a more traditional top down RTS route.
I would have loved a Minecraft base building rts in the same vane as the original command and conquer games
Variety of reasons as to why I expected this game to fail but the biggest is prob the disappointment players had in both recent updates in the main game and also how they never finished minecraft dungeons and then sold the other half as DLC.
hopefully this is a sign for them to stop making spinoffs
What people don't realize, is that people liked Minecraft because at the time, it was a unique and revolutionary game. It was a fully 3D game that allowed you to fully manipulate your environment any way you pleased, block-by-block and I can't think of any other game (at the time) that allowed you to do this. Even when Terraria came out soon afterwards, it was 2D which set it apart from Minecraft. Also, Terraria went towards more content than just giving you an empty sandbox but that's a separate rant of mine. Anywho, its popularity blew up, and once something gets popular, it tends to STAY popular, because it already has an established playerbase. Most games that tried to do similar, got tagged as a "Minecraft Ripoff" and heck even Terraria had been called that a few times, but most people know that's not true because the two games have entirely different foci.
Now, fast-forward a bunch of years later, and Microsoft/Mojang decides they're not making enough money from the sales of the base game alone, so how do they fix that? They try merch which works somewhat, they try some in-game purchases, but did you see what happened during the last 5 years with MTX in games? They became _wildly_ unpopular, the EU put heavy restrictions on lootboxes, Day One DLCs are mocked by the majority of playerbases, and people are just DONE with MTX in games. NFT games didn't fare any better, they actually did worse, and those are mocked even more. So how do you make more money?
You make another game. But, how do you make a "Minecraft 2"? You don't, not really. Anything you try to do with a Minecraft 2, people will go "but why not just add that stuff to Minecraft?"
And so, Spinoff games were their answer. But... wait. These spinoff games are basically the same thing as other games they are based off of, only with a Minecraft skin, and... one thing that Minecraft _doesn't_ have, is good graphics. Oh, people will tell you there's a "charm" in Minecraft graphics, but I always saw it as a limitation. Minecraft is blocky because, well, the world is made up of blocks. That's how you can manipulate the world's terrain so easily. Even Terraria uses blocks, though it can get away with more because it's a 2D environment instead of a 3D one. It's easier to do in 2D. Nobody goes "oh, Minecraft has such awesome graphics because it's made up of blocks!" ... so taking a game, like League of Legends and slapping Minecraft blocks ontop of it was always going to be some gimmicky thing. If you wanted LoL, then you'd just _play_ LoL. If you liked the aesthetics of Minecraft _that_ much, then you'd just..... play Minecraft?
Especially when they wanted to charge money and make these things online-only. Heck, I tried out Bedrock for the first time a couple days ago and you wanna know what I noticed immediately? You can't pause in Bedrock. Even when you have the closest thing to "solo" enabled. No players can enter your world, but yet you still can't PAUSE the game. For all the neat little UI upgrades and other little things they changed in Bedrock, the first thing I noticed is that I can't play truly solo and offline. And indeed, there's a lot of players who hate that "online only" thing that a lot of games are doing anymore.
But anyhow, that's why these games fail. They are gimmicky and they are lacking depth, and at the end of the day they end up just being clones of existing games banking on the Minecraft brand without delivering any kind of unique experience.
Infinitminer Lego games uhh banjo kazooyee?
And wdym by nft?
@@timohara7717 There were a series of games made by people involved with cryptocurrency that featured NFT, basically those pieces of "artwork" that were all digital and supposedly worth cryptocurrency though most people just laughed at it. And I would argue that some of those Lego games are kinda meh, for much of the same reason. I wanna build with Lego, not play a video game that vaguely looks like Lego but doesn't actually let me build anything, lol
I would have rather had them add Minecraft Legends into Minecraft rather than make it an individual game bill that does change the fundamentals of the game so I see why people don't want that
Minecraft is still doing phenomenal in terms of sales, since you see it on basically every single top ___ sales chart on consoles. But Mojang and Microsoft seemingly agreed that they could grow the franchise with new games. And as you said, these spinoffs are very shallow/gimmicky and lose players fairly easily. On the bright side, Mojang got a new CEO at the end of last year and they could potentially make changes to the spinoff teams.
I would have rather had them add Minecraft Legends into Minecraft rather than make it an individual game but that does change the fundamentals of the game so I see why people don't want that
Why don’t they just focus on making updates like the nether update? Minecraft was at its hottest back then. I’m nostalgic for that time. It seems like since then every update has declined in overall hype.
3:37 DING! DING! DING! You got at a point as of why many people don't like RTS games.
At this point I feel like Minecraft now needs some sort of quest/mission system
Why?
Eh, It’s a Sandbox game, It wouldn’t make sende
Instead of making a bunch of themed games based off of Minecraft and instead focus on the game itself, cave's and cliffs was a collosal failure that could have been fixed if they paid any attention to it on day one also the main way mojang gets there content is from mods, if they made a forge mode or separate game I'd buy it and never leave it
I bought the game almost as soon as it came out, and it wasn't super bad until u had to go start dealing with nightly raids on your villages and building takes longer than u expect, especially because at least at first resource gathering was just not as good as u would assume.
No way any of those myths are worth the minimum 6 bucks for the smallest amount of minecoin package you can get to buy it.
When ET came out for Atari 2600 it was deemed a failure. It was actually a simple game to explore a world, gathering phone pieces. It was just the falling into pits that was too easy/annoying.
I don't get the swinging a 500-pound sword and having everyone die genre.
Maybe new games should have a Milkshake stand to get snackies.
I don't think mojang realises that nobody who plays minecraft cares about the brand they just like to play minecraft
I am still salty that dungeons was cancelled. It may have been a spinoff, but it was a damn good one! Especially compared to legends!
my entire playthrough of ledgends consisted of
doing tutorial
getting in game, running to the first village for 5 minutes
doing battle and combat
building
getting told to go to another entire village
running
getting bored and quitting then and there
i did not enjoy legends, it was bland and stale and wasn't satisfying enough for me to run to the next village just to do very little in terms of doing things
i knew legends was gonna be a flop anyways, the previews and things they showed us up until launch looked boring as hell
their multiplayer showcase during minecraft live was one such instance of just doing the same motions over and over again but with more people to speed up the repetitive process of throwing troops into the battle
even through their faces they were getting bored of the gameplay
i found it hard to stay awake (to be fair it was at like 3am)
i wish mojang rather than focus on their spinoff titles they just focus on making the game better rather than splitting their money and rescources to random projects that are built for a small fortune in quick bursts while leaving the community super dissapointed in both mojang and the games
minecraft is falling into a pit with these horrible updates as of recent and blatantly ignoring their community
the fact minecraft legends is closing now is a showcase to why mojang needs to stop making spinoffs which try to make a unique gameplay but with repetitive gameplay
at least with minecraft dungeons the mechanics and the combat was fluent enough that the game was fun to play
2 years of development for a bare bones game thats more expensive than minecraft and its hot garbage. I tried playing it again and only played maybe 15 minutes then quit because the player doesnt really do anything
What happened is a lesson for Microsoft. That if they're going to make a new game, they have to make it right, in order for the game to be well-received, it has to be done well, without bugs and without things that will turn players off, such as microtransactions, or the Marketplace. Minecraft Dungeons survived for 3 years because the game was much better organized. Minecraft legends had a lot of Paid Stuff and bugs at launch, but the game was also poorly balanced. The tutorial was way too long. The game, was just bad...
They should just make a Minecraft version of Denpamen.
Minecraft story mode needs to come back.
Now we just need all the cool new mobs in the base game
I didn't even know this existed until this video. I may have heard the name of it but I never noticed it or cared about it.
The answer is the game wasn't interesting
If they wanna make a Minecraft spin-off game, why not make a different game type in the same genre the base game couldn't. Like a sandbox dungeon game, which wouldn't have to stick to Minecraft's existung items.
MC Legends is sort of a tragedy. I loved the gameplay, it was an interesting take on the realtime strategy formula..but too easy.
I have no idea how, but this game could use more depth and gameplay elements to "fill out" the experience.
I like the part where jeb asks ibxtoycat for help
You should make a video about the new addon button that's in user owned content section of the Minecraft market place, maybe you would make a make a hard core mode, I've seen a few but most of them are haft bad at best
I just wanted to play as the Piglins.
Just seeing the gameplay, it feels a bit less like "real time strategy in Minecraft" and more "random tactics game with the odd building mechanic that has a minecraft skin". If they wanted to do something more Minecraft-like, I feel them just copying the old Settlers game (Either Settlers 2 with its pathway systems, or Settlers 3/4 without).
As that series is about gathering resources, refining resources, using multiple jobs to expand your village and options, and defeat enemies in somewhat light form of combat. Making the building a bit more free-form and expanding it, and it would've been a good fit for a hands-off-version of Minecraft.
Heck, Settlers 4 even had an enemy-exclusive faction that had a form of terrain-infection that could be immitated by making it Nether-themed.
Going to be free on PS+ next month
Someday, people will remember why giants: Citizen Kabuto was a good game.
It’s hilarious that they had the nerve to lie so much about the “success” of Legends, meanwhile the game that would have been nice if they put more work (than the Towers-thing life support content) Minecraft Dungeons gets 363 24-hour peak players meanwhile Legends has 24 24-hour peak players on Steam… the game they ditched because it wasn’t *quite* giving them enough money despite people finding it fun, they turned to arguably an alright at best to bad game that they had actively LIE about its performance at Minecraft Live etc. Legends isn’t even getting the life support content that Dungeons still gets! Yet they had to lie to us that “no no, Legends is doing so insanely good so many people across the world are enjoying this game!”
Simple; what went wrong is that they’re focusing on a stupid spin off of minecraft instead of minecraft. The only spinoff that was actually pretty good was dungeons.
sadge it looks so beautiful too. im gonna get it once i get my windows pc up and running for sure. it looks so chill :D edit: also my cats love listening to your voice and your background music they are in a trance dozing off
they should just build their spin offs into the base game akin to console’s mini games tab and allow certain mobs/mechanics into the game itself 😪
Who remembers Minecraft Leg?
What game is this in the video?
Minecraft Legends
Man, we had to sit through so much promotion for Legends at Minecraft Live. I never had faith in this project, if i'm being honest
It was boring. Was like Minecraft light,where it should have been stuff that was added to the main game.
Minecraft was the result of a vision of one dude. Sure Mojang have added to the game over the years but the core of the game was what a single guy wanted to make and he made it happen. All the rest of this stuff is just corporate BS trying to make some extra cash on the side.
My biggest complaint with it is it was just some of the many garbage that filled up the minecon livestreams
wow you glowed up since the last time i saw you
Does this mean they are going to dedicate the imagination, concepts and resources to the proper game now?
The only valid spin-off game is minecraft story mode. No further discussions needed
Dungeons
And 4k
dungeons was not even that bad but from the videos legends looks so bad and as over people are saying they should add all the features to the vanilla game
So Minecraft Legends will soon become a forgotten legend.
I feel it would be better to have a 4 faction RTS.
I feel like Minecraft could have learned from Minecraft earth. It was repetitive, boring, lacked any real content, and gave you no incentive to keep playing.
Oh shoot hahaha! Yea unfortunately, I really just didn’t enjoy this game very much. Honestly, I really enjoyed the aesthetic, but really it was just not overly fun. Secretly the main reason it failed is because Blackbird studio in Vancouver, is in Vancouver! Lay-off city where no one is happy working on art anymore because it’s saturated in lies. Hahah or yeah what IBX said.
maybe now we will get more features to mc now they have cancelled legends they need to learn if it aint broke dont fix it like normal minecraft they should just stick to minecraft however dungeons was good ngl
I'm here to comment something useless.
The second I played Minecraft legends, I was so mad I uninstalled it after playing 30 min, I wished for a refund but couldn't get one. Legends is a joke, completely wasted my time and money.
Why did you not get it on steam?
Themisterepic covered this but his and toycats r both good
Minecraft is not that game, it’s a different game with a Minecraft spin that literally also added stuff that’s not even in Minecraft so it alienated its audience
They should've named this as a strategy game instead if they did people would've felt let cheated
Minecraft legends got canceled because it wasn’t minecraft
Mojang is a one trick pony. They keep trying to use Minecraft and squeeze for all its got. Just make an original game with nothing to do with Minecraft instead of constantly making weak spinoffs.
toycat is yes
I enjoyed dungeons but i didnt legends
the game was incredibly BORING. and dungeons got impossible to progress in at high enough difficulties as getting the right drops became impossible
I am quite glad that the webcam disappears; you are bouncier than a cocioan filled bunny in a bouncy castle
Good bye bad game
I'm glad I bought Legends at GameStop as opposed to somewhere with a less lenient return policy, because I didn't like it a tall and returned it a week later.
Idk man minecraft legends is just meh level is not bad but it's just damn boring game you just doing the same mission again and again like protect villagers and destroy the nether portal now doing again damn it the game just really repetitive you just doing the same thing again oh did I forget this game has microtransactions well now you know man they really wasting time making this game and it's about two years develop for this game and this is the result for making this game about two years man that's really disappointed
I'm not going to comment on the length issue, but I will say raw unwaxxed copper is the superior form of the mineral. Also annoying they didn't include an infinite replay mode in the game, or you know, some mining and such. Could have been a great game.
dungeons > legends
I found the game boring, is not deep enough to be what it wants to be, i couldn't play for mor than one hour
In short, game is boring and dumb. That's why it failed.
IT SUCKED
lets be real, minecraft is mojangs money maker. Legends, dungeons etc are side games for extra income. Personally if im gonnna play minecraft, im gonna play minecraft.
Does that mean paid updates 2025?
@@timohara7717 It wouldnt surprise me if it comes to that. They need to stop wasting resources on these side games and focus on minecraft its self.
I’m hoping that with how Minecraft Legends turned out, Mojang realizes that people won’t a play a game just because it has Minecraft branding. Here’s hoping that in the future, Mojang either makes better spinoffs or focuses all of their attention on Minecraft.
play outer wilds pretty please