303 british vs 7.62x54r - How Many Paper Plates???

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  • @fuddrucker74
    @fuddrucker74 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    My first deer rifle was a .303 British. It's a hell of a round with tough, slick, action, that can cycle FAST. I can't tell you how many friends of mine first started their deer hunting career on that rifle. It sits in the gun safe that houses my favorite rifles. My father had a friend named Bud, who was the chief flight instructor of a now defunct Air transport company. He got it in the 1960's from a man in Britain who was issued it on WW1. Bud loved that rifle. My father got it from Bud's window when he passed. My father loved it because it was one of his best friends favorite rifles. I love it because of who's it was. I loved Bud, as a kid. He was just a great guy and is alive in my father's story's of his friend. I also love it because I've hit near everything I ever aimed at wit it. It has negligible kick and has decent balance, if a little long and barrel heavy.
    Just a great rifle with a great story, and with a great round (2500 fps and 2500 lb ft of energy, with factory ammo).

    • @gradyhernandez4699
      @gradyhernandez4699 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes my first deer rifle was a 303 British like the one in video except it was all original.not cut down stock

  • @davidbrayshaw3529
    @davidbrayshaw3529 3 ปีที่แล้ว +44

    I'm of the understanding that both these cartridges were designed to penetrate gentleman of Northern European ancestry, not paper plates.

    • @Afro408
      @Afro408 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      They were designed to penetrate gentlemen of any persuasion. 😉

    • @Thenotfunnyperson
      @Thenotfunnyperson 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Afro408 I am pretty sure these were mostly manufactured during WW2. So they were specifically designed with killing germans in mind.

    • @heartbrokenninja118
      @heartbrokenninja118 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah,so the target was on average thicker than the entire pile of plates,should work fine

    • @redrb26dett
      @redrb26dett 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      No they weren’t he is using some cheap ass shit counterfeit rounds and before you say it says Remington on the box .303 comes in a full metal jacket in a brown ammunition box with yellow writing and is powered by cordite

    • @trentbresler3179
      @trentbresler3179 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Thenotfunnyperson 303 was around for for the boar wars as far back as 1893 I believe. So they were around for literally the end of the British Empire so all around the World.

  • @trevorbacelli
    @trevorbacelli 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Hello Mate, my school bus driver was a commando during WW2 he said the 303 could travel 3 mile & Kill , many of the old scrubber runners on horse back used the 303 to blow the horns of scrubber wild bulls, yes the 303 is mostly under rated , regards Trevor.W.Bacelli. Biloela Qld Australia.

    • @SvenTviking
      @SvenTviking 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      The MkVIIIz .303 round which was made to be used in Vickers machine guns, if the gun was elevated for “battery fire” like an artillery piece, was lethal out to 4.5 miles. In one action in WW1, 100 vickers guns were grouped together with spare barrels, water supplies and1 million rounds of ammunition. They were elevated to all shoot at a busy crossroads over three miles away, being heavily used by the German army. It was not until post war that they found how effective this was as trucks were being riddled, horses and men dropping wounded or dead and no sound of firing could be heard. It caused panic with German soldiers shooting at one another as they could not identify their assailants.

    • @Thenotfunnyperson
      @Thenotfunnyperson 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      All guns including .22 or handguns can kill at 3 miles. If the bullet can travel that far it is going to be lethal.

    • @redrb26dett
      @redrb26dett 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Thenotfunnyperson no it’s not go back to school and learn about Isaac Newton’s law’s and principles they been around for a very very very long time and are used quite a lot in the modern day in science and engineering

    • @AndyViant
      @AndyViant 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Thenotfunnyperson .22 probably wouldnt be able to penetrate a skull at 3 miles, and doesn't have the range anyway. The NRA tested one and found that anything over 1600 yards (less than a mile) was practically impossible without a hurricane tailwind.
      Yet the warning on the box suggests a mile and a half.
      Penetration wise? 400 metres or 1/4 mile away it's probably still capable of doing significant damage. At half a mile it can just penetrate paper so could potentially wound, but would be unable to penetrate bone.
      As for actually hitting anything at that range? at 600 Metres you are talking about aiming some 4 metres or 13 feet above the target to compensate for bullet drop, let alone wind.

  • @pewpewwithtodd8077
    @pewpewwithtodd8077 3 ปีที่แล้ว +124

    Remember to bring your own plates if you eat at WHO_TEE_WHOs place, all his plates have holes lol

    • @nws_of_cushing_ok7188
      @nws_of_cushing_ok7188 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Congratulations. I am your 60th like

    • @korndawggy1801
      @korndawggy1801 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Drain holes for the pickle juice.

    • @johnoberst1045
      @johnoberst1045 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I'd rather eat at WHO_TEE_WHO's than at Jeffrey Dahmer's. I went to dinner at Jeffrey's place once, he gave me the cold shoulder!

    • @notchagrandpa8875
      @notchagrandpa8875 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Just stay away from the beans and you're golden.

    • @MrRufusjax
      @MrRufusjax 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, he seems like the kind of guy to reuse them for food purposes.

  • @aarongreenfield9038
    @aarongreenfield9038 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    That is some spectacular patina on that 303. Wow!

  • @vinceruland9236
    @vinceruland9236 3 ปีที่แล้ว +48

    This was interesting to me as I have a Mosin and a Lee enfield.

    • @warrenharrison9490
      @warrenharrison9490 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @Ross Outdoors not anymore...😐 I'm trying to build my collection.

    • @stewiegriffin289
      @stewiegriffin289 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I wrapped my Enfield around a tree trunk. 3 unintentionally shot off rounds. The saftey on that relies on the wooden stock to work correctly. When the stock is worn on the inside the saftey will slip and release the firing pin. Almost got shot 3 times in one day by that thing going off by itself. It would happen when the gun was tilted downward or at at steep upward angle. When it almost took my buddies head off I bent it around a tree trunk. This has been several years ago I'm pretty sure that's how the firing pin kept dropping but I'll never own one of those guns again . As for the trusty old mosin that's a classical masterpiece haha.

    • @redrb26dett
      @redrb26dett 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Stewie Griffin instead of breaking cheap antiquities why not buy a hunting rifle designed for hunting by a good gunsmith you live in the USA there are quite a number or you can get one imported moisin and the Enfield where designed for people who are taught to hunt humans and those humans could and did shoot back unlike bambi and bugs and Donald FYI my classification with a No4 lee Enfield was 87% on the apwt and got me my marksmanship badge later in life I couldn't produce the same results with moisin the rapid fire (you tubers call it mad minute)defeated my time having to move my head out of the way of the bolt when cycling it and also slowed by reloading but my pass on the Enfield was better than granddad harry who used his from1912 to 1919 on par with my granddad tom who used his from 1910 to 1919 both served from 1914 to 1919 in France on what was called western front but not beating my father who achieved higher and served 1943 to 1952 mainly in the Far East (part of the 14th army then Malaysia before returning to Britain as a instructor) my father using a No4 my grandparents using a mk3

    • @stewiegriffin289
      @stewiegriffin289 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@redrb26dett I absolutely love the old mosin one of my favorite rifles. I wrapped the Enfield around the tree so that it wouldn't mistakenly get shot again or someone else get hold of it and not know and get hurt from it. Some nice history about your family 👍

    • @redrb26dett
      @redrb26dett 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@stewiegriffin289 thank you happy hunting

  • @rocknraptor3195
    @rocknraptor3195 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    This is great. I told Paul today that the 30-06 vs the 7.62x54 would be good. I would think they would be very close in size.

    • @RalphReagan
      @RalphReagan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The 7.62x54 is closer to the .30-40 than the .30-06.
      If you used a hot powder and lighter bullets(than it was designed to use) it would compete with a .308.

    • @eggbert191
      @eggbert191 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      3006 7.62x54r 8mm mauser all are very similar. Modern loads is different but wartime you got very similar performance from all

  • @williamsoens9973
    @williamsoens9973 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    the 303 cartridge that I used during my National (military) Service in the 1950's had a pointed tip, not a rounded one as in this video. This was obviously the military version.

  • @rays.5764
    @rays.5764 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    These vintage guns are some of my favorite.

  • @justinw2752
    @justinw2752 3 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    I think you flipped the top and bottom around when you took the plastic off.

    • @HanstheTraffer
      @HanstheTraffer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It does appear like that...however there was a video edit between those actions and maybe realigned them in the edit.

    • @markcampbell9683
      @markcampbell9683 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Justin is correct

  • @crusiethmaximuss
    @crusiethmaximuss 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wish I could catch these during the premiers. Been super busy lately... Great video as always, Adam. Hope you got some sleep and are headache free by now, bud

  • @seankientz4929
    @seankientz4929 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Like always this was another fun video thanks for bringing out the classics and for the 50 Cal bonus rounds

  • @chadvalliere8697
    @chadvalliere8697 3 ปีที่แล้ว +101

    Wonder how many more they’d go through if mil surp FMJ was used instead of soft point hunting ammo

    • @kennethrisner8648
      @kennethrisner8648 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      just what i was wondering. i,m thinkin of he had ww2 era produced mil ammo the mosin would won here

    • @notchagrandpa8875
      @notchagrandpa8875 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That a black tip AP ammo.

    • @Teknophobe
      @Teknophobe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It was all military cartridges I used with the Enfield. I "volunteered", to work the, Buts, (manual target pulleys), on military ranges. As a sort of bonus, we where given a day's shooting with the. 303s. I've never used the Mosin, so can't be sure. But if memory serves. The. 303, jacketed round looked more like the round, WTW, used for the Mosin. I may be wrong though as it was in the, 80s I used them.

    • @conradswadling8495
      @conradswadling8495 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      .303 military issue would tumble

    • @gustavmeyrink_2.0
      @gustavmeyrink_2.0 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@alanrickett2537 what do Germans have to do with a shoot out between a British and a Russian designed cartridge?
      You're not mistaking 7.62x54Russian with 7.92x57Mauser, are you?

  • @mongosafariadventure
    @mongosafariadventure 3 ปีที่แล้ว +28

    You will have to start marking the 12 o'clock position on the wrapper to prevent accidental plate rotation. Reviewing the video, it looks like the 303 was closer to the edge and actually didn't travel as far as the Mosin.
    May have to re-shoot with FMJ ammo.

  • @tombstonefpv9053
    @tombstonefpv9053 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video WTW. Always love the paper plate challenges. It's been a crazy busy summer, I gotta get caught back up on my YT videos. Hope ya'll are having a good summer.

    • @WHOTEEWHO
      @WHOTEEWHO  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for watching Tombstone

  • @TheRealKlinky
    @TheRealKlinky 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love the old .303 - I'm in Zimbabwe & there's a bunch of old Lee's around, beautiful old school caliber.

  • @Teknophobe
    @Teknophobe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

    Looking forward to this. The first rifle I ever used was a, Lee Enfield, 303.

    • @elitedavidhorne8494
      @elitedavidhorne8494 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Army Cadets?

    • @Teknophobe
      @Teknophobe 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@elitedavidhorne8494 Yeah. Annual camp. Circa 82. Gained my 2nd & 1st class marksman patches on this weapon. As well as a bruised shoulder. Lol.
      You???

    • @elitedavidhorne8494
      @elitedavidhorne8494 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Teknophobe I was in army cadets 88-91. It was the cadet GP (bolt action SA80) rifle mostly for us on the range. I only ever got to fire blanks through the Lee Enfield on weekend exercises.
      But did get my 3 star badge with a Bren. Probably the only time I fired 303 that was blank.
      Happy days. I've still got my brassard with my stripes, star, marksman and signals badges.

    • @Teknophobe
      @Teknophobe 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@elitedavidhorne8494 I got to use the, Bren on the ranges at, Barrybuddon. Same. 303 round as the Enfield.
      The next rifle I used was the, L1A1, SLR. Absolutely fantastic weapon. No wonder it was the 2nd most prolific weapon after the, ak47.
      You'll know, that after a long weekend of lugging a Bren about. Ur glad to finish the EXERCISE.I was Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders.
      You?

    • @elitedavidhorne8494
      @elitedavidhorne8494 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Teknophobe If you were carrying a the Bren on exercise then you were a big lad, had stripes or both. I couldn't get near it the AIs always wanted it and i was big and had stripes.
      I was Queens Regiment, B company, 13th detachment, Shoreham. Didnt get to fire much else that wasn't SA80 derivative. I did get into target shooting though while I was in cadets. Moved upto full bore 7.62 bolt action and even went to Bisley for a big shoot one year. Iron sights and unsupported at 400 and 600 yards. I miss shooting and I'm looking to join a local gun club for some 22 plinking at paper. The government is planning to destroy those lovely 22 rifles we learned on in cadets. If they haven't already.

  • @kenlansing1216
    @kenlansing1216 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I would take the .303 Lee Enfield. More moose have been taken out of the Canadian bush with the .303 than any other caliber, and with the now defunct 215 grain loading it was often used effectively on bear. If only your Lee Enfield were in original condition with its' full wood stock I am confident that your opinion would change for it would then be the best balanced milsurp and one of the most pointable rifles on the market.

  • @bumpercoach
    @bumpercoach 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    one of
    your best
    of these!!

  • @MENSA.lady2
    @MENSA.lady2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Most likely this will depend on the construction of the bullet. With identical bullets the difference is too small to worry about.

  • @tomrowley1717
    @tomrowley1717 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Ok now we need to see 303 brit vs 30-06 America. Please. Thanks in advance whote. That should be a really fun video.

    • @johanswart8116
      @johanswart8116 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I have that two calibers here in south africa and hunt with them every year

    • @Electroal1y
      @Electroal1y 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@johanswart8116 me too Johan

    • @jamesbarrow9638
      @jamesbarrow9638 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      My uncle got a hold of a 303 and got it chopped, refinished, and had it chambered in 30 06. It was sweet.

    • @johanswart8116
      @johanswart8116 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jamesbarrow9638 i guess it was a p14 enfield

    • @josephbeaver8766
      @josephbeaver8766 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@johanswart8116 what animals do u hunt with them cartridges medium game ?

  • @CraigDaniel1965
    @CraigDaniel1965 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You guessed the Mosin so I felt froggy and guessed the 303 British

  • @aussiesteveakastevecallagh2280
    @aussiesteveakastevecallagh2280 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Adam great video Mate , I owned a 303 British many years ago as I remember it had one hell of a recoil so I sold it Steve from Australia.

  • @jonathanmitchell3733
    @jonathanmitchell3733 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love the 303brit. Liked the vid before I even started watching. Wish you got the FMJ versions of each.
    Another question, is your Lee Enfield barrel the original length

  • @michaellane1661
    @michaellane1661 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Both of these calibers/rifles are awesome! Thanks WTW!🤘🏽

    • @WHOTEEWHO
      @WHOTEEWHO  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for watching Michael!

  • @scottysowell5565
    @scottysowell5565 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Wow, the 303 surprised me.

  • @tomdicks5614
    @tomdicks5614 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you for this. I have wondered this for years.

  • @NC-xk1eg
    @NC-xk1eg 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Good job, again. We appreciate it!

  • @Swaggerlot
    @Swaggerlot 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I fired .303 as old as 1953 production, none used a rounded bullet of that type.

    • @kevinmoor26
      @kevinmoor26 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I agree. I think the rounds were mixed up. Also, never use a soft-nosed 303. The lead will interfere with the chambering. Still, a fun video to watch.

    • @Swaggerlot
      @Swaggerlot 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kevinmoor26 Entertaining. At least the 7.62x54r looked correct.

    • @AndyViant
      @AndyViant 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Round ball type was the default for the era. The "HV" rounds appeared later with a 174 grain spitzer, similar to the Moisin Nagant and were standard WWII issue. But WW1 mostly saw use of the older, heaver round nose ammo.

  • @micahmartino1956
    @micahmartino1956 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

    Maybe it’s just me but it looks like the plates were flipped and the mosin takes the win

    • @RevHellscream
      @RevHellscream 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @david edbrooke-coffin nah, 303 lost.

    • @RevHellscream
      @RevHellscream 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @david edbrooke-coffin 303 fanboy is salty. It’s okay.

    • @RevHellscream
      @RevHellscream 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @david edbrooke-coffin seriously though, read the rest of the comments and watch the video a little more closely. Pretty sure the video creator is also aware of it.

  • @jonahbrown4674
    @jonahbrown4674 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video !! I was looking at buying a 303 back in the 70s , price of the ammo back then kill the sale ! It wasn't cheap !

  • @markthe2nd741
    @markthe2nd741 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow! I wouldn't have thought the round nose 303 could out penetrate the pointed Mosin round. That 303 must have some pretty serious power. Another really fun video WHO_TEE!

  • @ronaldperkins4222
    @ronaldperkins4222 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Those old mil surps are favorites of mine. Got several 6.5x55 Swedes, plus Mosins. Have Enfields too, but they're in .308. Still amazes me that 100+ year old rifles can be as accurate as those Swedes. Mine were all acquired some years ago - most cost $50-$100. Great video!

    • @gradyhernandez4699
      @gradyhernandez4699 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I want a swedish in 6.5

    • @gradyhernandez4699
      @gradyhernandez4699 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Those are ishapor 303s?

    • @gradyhernandez4699
      @gradyhernandez4699 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Deer hunting

    • @gradyhernandez4699
      @gradyhernandez4699 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      British I pick

    • @ronaldperkins4222
      @ronaldperkins4222 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@gradyhernandez4699 Mine are Ishapore Enfields chambered in. 308. Bought 2 of 'em for about $130 each several years ago. They shoot great & have that Enfield action toughness.

  • @soggyb4082
    @soggyb4082 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    That was a good test. Suprised me and im partial to 303 British.

  • @garytrainer748
    @garytrainer748 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great comparison. I for one appreciate you using hunting rounds for theses tests. Good to know what they do as alot of us hunt. Thanks again Who Tee Who!👍👍

    • @WHOTEEWHO
      @WHOTEEWHO  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Appreciate you watching Gary

  • @johnkirwan9304
    @johnkirwan9304 ปีที่แล้ว

    I knocked over my first red deer stag with an old ex army .303 back in the 70s, when I was just a teenager, Southern Alps, NZ. I still have a Parker Hale sporterised one. Nice old gun. Plenty of thump for anything here in NZ. Good review - thanks.

  • @ratagris21
    @ratagris21 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    A hunt with either of these rifles would be great. 🎩☯️♠️

  • @Quentin217
    @Quentin217 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You can make any cartridge to ruin more or fewer paper plates depending upon what you load it with. A better comparison would be to compare interior capacity of one and then the other. You could set up a powder scale and some water and fill up each case and then dump the water into the cup of the scale. Think of all the paper plates that you would save! I can just imagine the melted butter from your baked potatoes drooling out the hole in the centre and on to your trousers at the local picnic.

  • @megastick9324
    @megastick9324 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The old Brit is still taking game in Canada and other places it was milsurp. I know there are some here in the US still in use also, but a ton went to Canada. Having a 303 in the family there, back in the day, was like a 30-06 here I’m told by some Canuck buddies of mine.
    I know it’s anecdotal, but it makes sense to me. All those rifles coming back and selling cheap.
    By today’s numbers it’s pretty pedestrian , but I wouldn’t feel under gunned in the woods with one. Hell I still hunt a 30-30.

  • @MisterBrewer
    @MisterBrewer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I would love to see you hunt with the 303 British!

  • @harryfaber
    @harryfaber 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    All of the many hundreds of 303 that I fired were pointed. Never seen one with a round tip.

    • @stewartw.9151
      @stewartw.9151 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I was issued a .303 at school in England in 1959. All of us kids were in the Combined Cadet Force which operated at many schools. Today we would call that OTC - Officer Training Corps. My rifle was stamped 1911 and was in excellent condition. I also recall no round nosed ammo, only sharp pointed ammo used on those days when we were allowed to shoot at the range. Probably only fired about 100 rounds in my time at that school, always fun though!

    • @harryfaber
      @harryfaber 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@stewartw.9151 In some ways, we were lucky, being the last to regularly use .303. There were mountains of it, all date stamped from the 1950s, and station armourers were glad to get rid of it. The allowance of 7.62 was 40 a year.

  • @tmike9566
    @tmike9566 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Gonna say 280 for 303 British and 255 for 7.62x54R

  • @graeff43
    @graeff43 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    On paper (not the plate variety) everything points to the Mosin winning out... but I guess we'll find out for sure! Great stuff man

  • @jamesbarrow9638
    @jamesbarrow9638 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    WTW.....yeap got my '42 mosin back in the day for $69, got a brand new SKS for $89, and then picked up a used training 22 bolt action for $40......awww those were the days!!! The ammo was dirt cheap too!!! The 7.62 X 39 FMJ and the lead tips were less than 4 bucks a box and the 7.62 X 54r hunting rounds were less than 6 bucks a box so I just bought a case of both. With a few extra boxes of hollow point for the SKS and some yellow tip and FMJ for the mosin. Sure do miss those days!!!

  • @utubewatcher3852
    @utubewatcher3852 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I had a Mosin in the 90's also got 700 rounds of 180gr full metal jacket my Mosin was stamped 1897

  • @Archuleta918
    @Archuleta918 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Would be awesome if you and Kentucky ballistics got together and did a Collab! Would be a killer video!!

  • @th.burggraf7814
    @th.burggraf7814 ปีที่แล้ว

    Man, I love the Who Tee Who song ! 💪🏻👍🏻

  • @hanknaclek9747
    @hanknaclek9747 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a 1893 Sparkebrooke Enfield 303 with the wood cut away similar to the one used. They were used by Govt. deer cullers in the '40s and '50s here in NZ, known as "Long Toms" The first time I fired it was at two 14inch very hard posts with an old army round. Went through both! What your video doesn't convey is just how loud a 303 is. One trio of cullers near Mt. Cook area shot 303 deer in one day during that era. Our mountains were over run with deer, Wapiti, Thar and Chamois in those days and those guys were paid a bounty on kills.

  • @ricklipp4029
    @ricklipp4029 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I would have bet on the 7.62 x 54r but I was proved wrong. Thanks for your hard work and sharing it with us.

    • @rollercam351
      @rollercam351 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You were proved right, lol.
      He accidentally swapped the results

  • @kugelsicher5721
    @kugelsicher5721 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That Enfield looks like it is either sporterized or a Jungle Carbine.
    Also, I've got some 150gr 54r handload rounds that will rock your socks!

    • @sindrome303
      @sindrome303 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      sporterized. i have both No1 MkIII and the No5 Jungle Carbine

    • @Teknophobe
      @Teknophobe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@sindrome303 yeah. Pretty sure the jungle carbine has full wood through to an inch or so from the muzzle?

  • @dougmac9955
    @dougmac9955 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have examples of both in my accumulation of things that go bang. In the Mosin I have models 1891 Remington, 91-30, 38, 39, 44. In the Enfields I have No I MkIIIs, No 4 Mks 1&2,No 5 I even have a 22LR Trainer. My preference would be the Enfield, but I fully understand the ammo situation. I would suggest that if you have the opportunity to pickup a No 5 Jungle Carbine, that you don't pass it up, they are just the neatest little rifles also any of the 1891 Argentine mauser Carbines. Good luck on your hunt No matter which one you take. There is just something about hunting with old warriors.

    • @sharonw2475
      @sharonw2475 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Those .303 jungle carbines are ear drum ringers for sure. Don't know how those British soldiers withstood that kind of loud blast.

  • @greggwonder2199
    @greggwonder2199 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    👍Liked the vid. I bought two Mosins yrs ago promoted at my gun dealer for under 5hun. One still in the box with cosmoline. Bought thousands of rounds of ammo on the cheap in spam cans. Had one Mosin bbl cut to 20in and stock changed to an ATI. Had to get a knew front sight over the muzzle. Maybe 250bucks upgrade. Love the gun, will last another hun yrs.✌🇺🇸🇺🇸

  • @VitalArms
    @VitalArms 3 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    I watched this many times to verify, but did anyone else notice the possibility who tee who was mistaken about which round was which? The switch happens when he’s removing the plastic wrapping. Thanks!

    • @jakedewald
      @jakedewald 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Upon further review the call in the comment stands. I actually expected the mosin to hold together better. But the 303 was almost certainly a more expensive/better quality ammo.
      So if it's any consolation, at least who-tee was right in his initial prediction.

    • @brucemitch928
      @brucemitch928 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      👍

    • @mickdaly6537
      @mickdaly6537 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ya you can see the plates rolling over

    • @theeddorian
      @theeddorian 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I watched, and while there were a couple of places where you could get confused, the location of the hits were at different distances from the edge of the plates. The .303 was somewhat closer to the center, obscured by the gathered bag opening and tie. My initial thought was that it was somehow a miss until he rotated the plates a bit. The age and make of the ammunition would have been helpful.

  • @edwardpate6128
    @edwardpate6128 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    This test meaningless without using comparable rounds. Both should have been military spitzer bullets.The 7.62x54R generally considered to be the more powerful of the two, being somewhere between 7.62x51 and 30-06.

    • @squalofelice
      @squalofelice 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      That .303 bullet should not be used for military purposes since it has a soft point. I should be a FMJ spitzer. Pointless test.

    • @yeetusthefetus5759
      @yeetusthefetus5759 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The 303 British is known for being more powerful and deadly on the battlefield.

  • @shannonladely2976
    @shannonladely2976 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Shoot.. lost the bet... Super fun to watch and keep 'em coming..

  • @jimsnyder5763
    @jimsnyder5763 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video Who Tee, I prefer the Mosin Nagant - solid hard hitting cartridge and each gun has a story

  • @sorino2817
    @sorino2817 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I would love for you to shoot a deer 🦌 with the Mosin. I love mine, but also love my 303 British Lee Enfield #4 Mark 1 less kick. Love the paper test videos.

  • @eliferguson3422
    @eliferguson3422 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    303 wins. I kinda new it would though. Never shot one, but I know they pack a punch

    • @Teknophobe
      @Teknophobe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      They do. Recoil kicks like a mule too.

    • @todwinter3972
      @todwinter3972 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Wrong.. I have both and also reload. Mosin has few hundred fps ovet 303 with full charge and equal weight bullet...

    • @Teknophobe
      @Teknophobe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@todwinter3972 This channel just keeps giving. Apart from the sheer entertainment value. The knowledge & learning factor is awesome.

    • @eliferguson3422
      @eliferguson3422 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@todwinter3972 well, the test seems to tell the 303 wins.

    • @barryfitness9959
      @barryfitness9959 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i have used one an shot beef with one and you are wright they can pack a punch

  • @johnknouse8846
    @johnknouse8846 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Love the old C&R guns. Do you have a TT-33 Tokarev? Fun little pistol. Shoots the 7.62X25. Usually get a pretty good fireball with it too!

  • @dobbythehouseelf5597
    @dobbythehouseelf5597 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I'd go with the enfield and reload my own ammo - as long as its not had the fore end chopped down as the design has a lightweight barrel which relies on a complicated stocking setup using springs at the midpoint and the nosecap to maintain accuracy, no longer own one or shot one in over 30 years

  • @tubefluid
    @tubefluid 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    So, it looks like if I ever have a platoon of rouge paper plates coming up the driveway, it would be best to use a .303! Check

  • @tmike9566
    @tmike9566 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I vote yes for a deer hunt with either gun

    • @WHOTEEWHO
      @WHOTEEWHO  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      🦌🦌🦌

  • @byronspade1633
    @byronspade1633 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another great video. Love my Mosin, but sadly I do not yet possess a 303 British

  • @richardward9111
    @richardward9111 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a 303 Enfield from 1922 and I've taken a white tail buck and a black bear with it. I haven't fired it in years but I still have full confidence in it.

  • @samrodian919
    @samrodian919 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    That' looks like a Mk 6 .303" round. They changed that to a pointed Mk 7 in about 1915

    • @normanlesley1867
      @normanlesley1867 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nether of the rounds were Mk. anything, the 7.62x54r appears to be 150 gr. soft noes, and the 303 appears to be 180 gr. soft noes.

    • @wideangle852
      @wideangle852 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      . . where did he find that .303 round?? Antiques R US?

    • @panzerlieb
      @panzerlieb 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@wideangle852 Remington corelok. You could still get them a year or 2 ago. Hornady or Speer still do make them

  • @Larry-tl6vw
    @Larry-tl6vw 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Great video Who-Tee, I wish I still had my 303, it would drop a deer in it’s tracks for sure….

  • @Threegunmaster
    @Threegunmaster 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great cartridge comparison, good to see two calibers that are on the same playing field. Not another magnum versus 3006.

  • @marcosier2376
    @marcosier2376 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    6.5 grendel vs 7.62x39 please!

  • @mudbutton2
    @mudbutton2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I got them both and I thought the Mosin would win TBH.

  • @athewake
    @athewake 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Why not load with same bullet design, those are hunting rounds, not standard FMJ rounds

    • @AndyViant
      @AndyViant 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Probably about availability of ammunition where he lives. both are not exactly common cartidges in the DS of A

  • @sturisa
    @sturisa 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Enjoyed watching WTW, can you do a paper plate or solo cup test comparison between a .243 Winchester and a .30-30 Winchester? I know the sectional density is a little greater in the .243 so the penetration should be greater, but the test will tell.

  • @egnbigdave
    @egnbigdave 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The .303 I fired when in cadets had the pointed tip copper jacket? Is the round you are using different to the military issue?

  • @DayofJudgement-ur5gp
    @DayofJudgement-ur5gp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    They were accidentally switched around brother the plates spun on you. Watch in slow motion.

    • @AndyViant
      @AndyViant 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      303 has a heavier round and carries more powder. Result is as expected.

  • @bigguy5155
    @bigguy5155 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I'm a 303 man and I reload my own shells so that off sets the cost a little

  • @Huy_Nguyen_USA
    @Huy_Nguyen_USA 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolutely brilliant comparison.

  • @_Shinks_
    @_Shinks_ 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    When Hank Hill puts down the beers and picks up the guns

  • @nevillesavage2012
    @nevillesavage2012 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I would like to see what a solid copper .270 would do. I saw one shoot through a dead Ponderosa tree that was to big to hug my arms around. WTW

  • @justinmcivor2848
    @justinmcivor2848 3 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    Just noticed you turned the plates mosin was further than 303

  • @eugenejensen576
    @eugenejensen576 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I used to own a 303 British gave it to my brother in law for deer hunting loved it good rifle

  • @B25gunship
    @B25gunship ปีที่แล้ว

    I've shot deer with 303 British. Rifle was a very nicely sporterized Pattern 14. Ammo was Winchester Power Point 180gr. Does as good a job as any other contemporary deer round. A bonus is it is a Winchester manufactured Pattern 14 and they were considered the most accurate. When they wanted to use a Pattern 14 for sniper duty during WW1 they always sought the Winchester made rifles due to their superior accuracy. When I sighted it in at 100yds my last 2 shots were on a fresh target and the holes were touching 1/2" above the bull. Scope was a 3-9x40 Leupold. I was in my late 60's at the time and that was the best I had ever shot any centerfire in my entire life. Military trigger too.

  • @Raptor-gd6sk
    @Raptor-gd6sk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    They 303 round looks a lot like a 30-30… I’ll pick the Mosin

  • @gertcoetzee9791
    @gertcoetzee9791 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Long story short you don't wanna be on the receiving end of a 303

    • @AndyViant
      @AndyViant 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Or a Mosin Nagant, or hell, even a 22...

    • @kirkwagner461
      @kirkwagner461 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I'd prefer to avoid both, thank you very much. :)

  • @deplorableredneck4.02
    @deplorableredneck4.02 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Another great video

  • @patmancrowley8509
    @patmancrowley8509 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    78 years old. I've got a British Enfield MkV. I've shot the 180 grain and 218 grain bullets out of it and boy-howdy! does it hit HARD! Love it.

    • @WHOTEEWHO
      @WHOTEEWHO  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      gotta love it. thanks for watching Patman

  • @45acp
    @45acp 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I have a Remington 1917 Mosin. I’m guessing 320 Mosin and 348 British

  • @mrjockt
    @mrjockt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I noticed you used a round nosed .303, I assume because it’s the preferred type for hunting, but a spitzer 7.62, maybe doing the shoot again using spitzer type ammo for both rifles might show a different result.

    • @Thurgosh_OG
      @Thurgosh_OG 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, I expected the 7.62 to pen further due to shape but was surprised that the round nose .303 went further. I'd expect a matching .303 round to go quite a bit further through the plates.

    • @paulthompson7594
      @paulthompson7594 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      "Apples to apples comparison."

  • @magicdaveable
    @magicdaveable 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Probably the Mosin. I have shot several whitetails with my Lee-Enfield. I really prefer the Lee-Enfield. Mine was a "Ceremonial" and is practically new. I bought (actually my Dad bought it. I was only 13.) my Lee-Enfield 60 years ago at a gun show in Columbia, South Carolina. We got an entire box of them that were all matching numbers and in pristine condition. My brother and I each got to pick one and my Dad kept one. The rest were sold to my Dad's friends. Enfields are truly excellent rifles. I stopped using it a long time ago. I also cut the stock down and "sporterized" it.

  • @outdoorswithroostercurrie6984
    @outdoorswithroostercurrie6984 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I’ll call it AWESOME, and yes I wanna see you get a Deer or Hog or something with your 303 British.

  • @jonathanmitchell3733
    @jonathanmitchell3733 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    you must get a Lee Enfield in the original form, with the Full Wood stock. It's so much more pleasant to shoot with the extra weight. The .303 also loses a lot of velocity with shorter barrels.

    • @Teknophobe
      @Teknophobe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      First shooting rifle was the Lee Enfield 303, long. Great smooth rifle. I know u get the Enfield, short. And also, carbine. The last being issued for jungle theatres during, WW2 I believe.

    • @jonathanmitchell3733
      @jonathanmitchell3733 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Teknophobe The long lee's barrel was a bit excessive at 30inches, The Short magazine lee enfield SMLE had a nice size barrel, for the 303brit cartridge, at 640mm (25.3 inches). Who tee who, let us know what your lee enfield's barrel length is.

    • @thevoicomp6373
      @thevoicomp6373 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@jonathanmitchell3733 The number 1 MK 1's were all ordered to be cut down to SMLE length in, I think, 1907. So, any Enfield made in 1912 should be standard SMLE barrel length but might have been butchered to a shorter length in the sporterizing process.

    • @jonathanmitchell3733
      @jonathanmitchell3733 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@thevoicomp6373 Jip thats what I worry about as well. Lots of guys here in South Africa cut theirs down quite short for the Bushveld hunting at really short distances, they call it a Amajuba Slingshot.

  • @jimmyleejerzyk3546
    @jimmyleejerzyk3546 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Looks like you turned the plates upside down when you opened them

    • @lukepeterson7791
      @lukepeterson7791 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      You are correct! The mosin was mor centered and the 303 was closer too the edge in the beginning. Lol. Honest mistake but what a good eye sir!

    • @lukepeterson7791
      @lukepeterson7791 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I own both and was surprised by the outcome.

  • @NC-xk1eg
    @NC-xk1eg 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Loved the Barrett!

  • @dr53love
    @dr53love 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey, if someone said it already but that tic made me think of your headaches! When film this one? It had the white spot on it... I'm sure some 'pro will chime in on this but want you well

  • @RalphReagan
    @RalphReagan 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The Enfield is nicer to shoot than a Mosin. I have a 1905 Mosin and a commie one.

    • @Teknophobe
      @Teknophobe 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      With the Enfields bold handle sitting flush, u never lose the target from ur sights when chambering a new round.

  • @carpathianken
    @carpathianken 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Since covid hit I'm finding it harder to afford body armour.
    At least now I know that I can stuff 350 paper plates down my pants to go safely shopping in downtown Aden.

    • @MrJC7071
      @MrJC7071 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why in the HELL do you need Body Armour!!!!? People like you need to have their guns taken away.

    • @carpathianken
      @carpathianken 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@MrJC7071 People like me need my guns taken away because I feel it's necessary to protect my person with body armour.Haha!,that makes total sense....

  • @guardianminifarm8005
    @guardianminifarm8005 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Both did really well. Good deer, bear & pig rounds.

  • @chrisbmorningstar
    @chrisbmorningstar 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video WTW as always 👌

    • @WHOTEEWHO
      @WHOTEEWHO  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for watching Chris

  • @exodo7727
    @exodo7727 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    You flip the plates around when you took plastic off so your results are the opposite

  • @luisalazar3064
    @luisalazar3064 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The mosin actually won

  • @dragonrider385
    @dragonrider385 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice video, thanks. I like seeing paper plate test.

    • @WHOTEEWHO
      @WHOTEEWHO  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hey dragonrider

  • @billshaffer9689
    @billshaffer9689 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    ive always had a fondness for WW2 rifles. i have a fair number of them now from different country's of the war. i have used many for deer hunting and one of my favorites is the Japanese 7.7