303 british vs 7.62x54r vs BODY ARMOR
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Max Arms has some 303 British FMJ surplus and 762X51.
I can send you some steel core 7.62x54r if you're interested
WTW that was a great video! Have you done 6.5CM vs armor yet??
When u hit it with. The bullets did it spall ??
What we actually learned is that if you soften up your body armour with a 303 British and a 7.62 Mosin first, the 338 Lapua is definitely in with a chance.
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Very good! Very True! lol 😂 😂
We learned that multiple rounds in the same spot in body armor plates will go through
I feel bad for TH-camrs doing this sort of thing. Having multiple plates is expensive.
Personally I'd rather they look at mild steel of a greater thickness. Not the same, but for most entertainment purposes pretty good.
Yep. Not exactly a scientific approach to the test. Shoot a new plate with .303 or 7.62x54 three times near the same spot and the 3rd shot would probably do the same.
This is the entire premise of the am-180 sub machine gun
You out to find the boat tail spitzer 303 load in order to appreciate its full qualities!
303 ball surplus is readily found in Canada , Australia, UK and India, in fact it is still manufactured in India up till quite recently if not still actually being made, those soft points are the sporting hunting round version and being used against military body armor is pointless for I would think would be obvious reasons.
Thanks for pointing out this is a bullshit video
In india its a prohibited bore,and its means civillians cant use it,only police.civillians are allowed to have modified version of 8mm mannlicher into shorter version and called 315
Herters(basically budget brand Winchester) makes .303 brand new as well and its cheap in Canada. Seen it for less than 20 bucks a box. And FMJ steel case Barnal 7.62x54r will mess up AR 500 steel with less than 20 rounds. Been my first hand experience
@@Psynova same, ive never seen 303 below $2/rd
@@andrewthomsonyou can get 303 British ammo for around $1-$1.50 per round if you buy it in bulk surplus spam cans but most of them are older than 40years old and you have to be careful and make sure they have been stored in a dry climate and everything and you can possibly get some dud ammo from the spam cans so you are rolling the dice when getting it.
That 7.62x54r soft point wasn't made for hard targets. I'd like to see the same test with a surplus Russian military steel core 7.62x54r.
I was gonna suggest this as well; all of the surplus fmj Mosin rounds I own have a steel core with a lead boattail follower inside the jacket.
No soft points made for anything hard. Not just dopey 54R rounds.
The steel core 54 r I have shot goes through steel like a drill bit. I suspect the body armor won’t stop it.
The 303 round looked very odd, looked like a hand load with the projectile not fully seated.
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338 hit in a spot from the two previous rounds... hit it up higher in an area that wasn't compromised and see if it still goes through.
High velocity, soft point, close range gives expansion before penetration. Unless of cause you use a .338lp.
It looked like you hit the dirt with the .303
I have some of those Brown Bear 7.62x54r, 203 grain soft points for my Chicom type 53 carbine. They hit hard and the expansion is wicked. My 53 is currently loaded with them.
@@mizzoupatriot8814 I have the same ammo! I'm conserving it for the duration!
You need some of the steel core ammo for that Mosin. It goes through stuff a whole lot better
After first hit, Armor was compromised, 338 hit was after comp.2 times!
Yep, looks like the 338 hit the same spot the Mosin or 303 had previously.
Here in Australia the ol .303 ww2 ball ammo used ta be cheap like the budgie but now worth a fortune. In fact, any .303 ammo even the factory made stuff is pretty dear. I got a savage no.4 .303 and an old 1917 mosin, hex receiver made by Remington believe it or not. Love em both. Great vid mate. Keep doing em.
Yup very expensive here
Back in the early to mid1960s that's all you could get for a British 303 was metal jacket bullets surplus
Yes I had several mk 111s in early sixties and the surplus ammo was mostly ww1 vintage with cordite strands for propellant and had many duds, the later mk 7 round with ball powder powder was better. This is in Australia, the rounds of mk7 was 10 cents a round up to the 80,s.
Theres a ton of fmj 303 to be found on Ammo seek, I have trouble finding round nose. Also I'm always surprised at hot good the mk 3 looks when sporterized, though I prefer the original look.
That gifted round looked a lot like a 7.92x57mm / 8mm Mauser round
well, the yugoslavs chambered their Mosin's in 8mm Mauser.
get some 180gr .303 soft points and drill in to the centre of the lead down about one inch and place a hardened concrete nail in it make sure it is centred then fire it at your armour, you will be surprised
Great video as always. Fun to see the old military rifles in action!
That 338 just waltzed on through that measly level 3. I would love to see some lever rifle vids man!!
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My father had a 303 British...he told me a story of the bolts would somtime come back and hit the guy in the eye...calling them one eyed British...lol
Awesome video interesting to see what the old tried and true Calibers do to modern armor!!!
Gotta love em
The year of manufacture of SMLE is under the bolt for most..
Several years ago, I shared a 1,000 rd purchase of FMJ .303. It was made in Belgium in the 1980s. I also bought a few cloth bandoliers of clipped FMJ milsurp .303. I still have some of both. I'd be happy to send you some for your experiments but I'm not sure about mailing ammo cross the border (I'm in Canada) with all the insanity of our two lefty governments.
There's a famous mil story that states that the Brit/Commonwealth armies in WW1 loaded some rds backwards to defeat German counter-sniper armor plates. I've seen articles about this and I believe there is a vid on YT somewhere that tests the theory. Seems to work.
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Hey Mickey!
Shot my first whitetail back in 1990 with my .303 Enfield. Been a fan of the .303 ever since.
Awesome!
You may have hit the plate in an area already weakened by the previous 2 rounds... but the Lapua round was a good idea! Also, you were on the money about the energy transfer to target plate!
Awesome seeing the savage 338 brought out, I’ve only put 14 rounds thru mine so far due to ammogeddin
Always happy to see your clips on the memorable old 303, my dear old dad always ask if you have done any new posts with the smle. Once we watch a new one we spend quite some time reminiscing about days gone by and seam to do a lot of laughing. Thanks once again your post really cheer my old dad up, good on you m8 ask we say in nz.
I bought an old Enfield 303 years ago that looked like death would help it, turned out to be one of the most accurate rifles I've ever owned. So much so that I refinished and sporterized the stock. It was a deer slayer.
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Awesome video. I love the old guns, some just stand the test of time
Thanks for watching Mr Chipps
The wartime .303 round was a boat-tailed, spire point fmj round that had a wood or compressed card tip backed by lead. The idea was that the round would hit a target, bend like a banana and tumble through the wound to cause maximum injury. The soft tip was also a money saving thing during austerity, and got around the dum-dum prohibitions. Your test rounds probably use nitro-cellulose smokeless powder instead of Cordite stick propellants. The original .303 had an accurate range of 1000 yards, but could fly in excess of 1.5 miles. When trialled in the new .303 BREN machine gun, a mag of 30 rounds cut down a tree, so the barrel was de-accuratised to spread the coverage. Your .303 was the SMLE carbine version as opposed to the rifle, which had furniture to the full length of the barrel and weighed 8.5 lbs fully loaded. The later SMLE Mk IV and Mk IV* had folding sights and a longer barrel extension.
Awesome video man, did you ever figure out what that FMJ bullet was, because it looks like steel case 3006! Can’t wait for the next one WTW!
Not sure what it was
Just commenting. No disrespect meant Sir. I’m Canadian. The No. 1 Mk. 3 was my first rifle when I got my licence in 1978. I believe they approximate 7.62X51 level, while 7.62X54R are approximate 7.62X63. Some feeding issues may be caused by the rimmed cartridge. Also, trigger is pretty much “two stage”. There is a lot of take up until you reach the next resistance. Then , not so bad. Maybe designed to help prevent AD/ND from new recruits? Both great rifles for different reasons. Here in Canada, most hunters own at least one .303. We have used them for everything from ground hogs to moose. I assume bear as well. Thank you for what you do Sir. Much respect from Canada.
Thanks for watching Dave
Yes sir every Canadian has a 303 , and iv taking moose and black bear with it great gun.
What some don't understand is " Body Armor" can stop a bullet. But, yes the energy transfer to the body from the bullet can cause Hemorrhage, broken bones, and be very painful causing severe pain or even loss of feeling.
You must be talking about soft armor. Hard plates absorb the energy and spread it out over the entire steel plate. It's not going to feel good but it's generally not going to do all the damage as you described.
The old rifles from past wars are interesting. Thank you for bringing them out and shooting them for us.
Thanks for watching Andy!
They make all sorts of awesome 7.62x54R ammo. Armor piercing, armor piercing incendiary, and plenty of other goodies. I’d say it is more powerful than the .303 British. Great video as always
I'm really glad that the FMJ turned out not to be 7.62x54R. I was looking at both cartridges and thinking that I'd gone crazy because they didn't appear to be the same caliber.
For your video purposes, the .303 British and Mosin rounds not going through the plate were bad. For anyone who owns RTS Tactical plate, their not going through the plate is great news.
At 10 or 20 yards, I'm not sure that the plate stopping a .338 Lapua round is going to save the wearer. That much force hitting the chest would be brutal.
Your friends at Bad Dobby's have some nice lizards, but I'm disappointed that they don't have any good snakes.
I looked (prompted by your comment) and sure enough, the third round at the beginning of the video didn't have a rim. The green sealant on the bullet puts me in mind of WW2 8x57mm ammo. But I'm not willing to commit myself under these circumstances.
"that trigger is heavy as bananas" is my new favorite catch phrase
Thanks for the video. Will do a video on the 338 win mag vs paper plates or anything else. Thanks again for your videos
More 338wm soon
Good one Bud, hey the first two were lead was the 338 an FMJ could be the dif.
Man I'd love to find a 303 British. Nice heavy round. Awesome video brother
Thanks for watching Byron
The softpoint .303 Brit ammo is all one can find from U. S. manufacturers; it's all made for hunting use. The FMJ stuff will be either surplus - and the supply is running out, it is finite - or PPU (Privi Partisan) makes brand new FMJ .303 Brit ammo for military rifle buffs (at least before the recent panic). Of course, right now dadburn near everything is scarce. And just to show you're correct, FMJ rounds should be compared to FMJ rounds; (you should have used...). And truthfully, if I were contingently planning to engage a belligerent with body armor, FMJ (if not AP -armor piercing) would be available. (Presuming I could prepare.)
I did shoot the PPU ammunition and checked speed with a chronograph. It clocks about 100 fps slower than some 'Olin' made ammunition which seems to be a duplication of the British specifications. Just under 2400 fps; pretty serious round.
Holding the two (7.62x54Rmm and the unknown round) as you did shows the unknown round has a longer case than the Mosin round. As the Mosin round is 54 mm long (that's what the name means) the unknown round is longer. I suspect (no guarantee) that case may be 57mm (2.24 inches) long, likely a 8x57mm Mauser round.
All in all I like the premise of the video. It compares 'this' to 'that' and fairly. You seem to be a pretty good shooter. I like that. By the way, soft point hunting rounds are not intended to penetrate body armor. The Lapua is used for sniping, but probably used more for large game. It has more brute force.
Just so you know: I do not have all this stuff in my head. If you do not have one, get a recent edition of . It is a marvelous reference book and history lesson about such things. Don't memorize it all, just check on what you have and things you show. And a decent loading manual will tell you about the length and width of cartridges.
Wolf makes some copper coated steel cased fmj .303 and got Remington lead tipped that looks similiar to the 7.62 round you got there. I actually haven’t found the .303 rounds you have!! 😆 the wolf performs pretty well and was much cheaper than the Remington which was hunting ammo at $34-39 a box of 20 vs the wolf which was 20 for $20. It seemed to be a littler more difficult to eject the rounds with the steel case but not much of an issue for being half the price!! Was pretty much a non issue just not as smooth as the brass
That metal plate AR500 is called Hardox 500 here in Europe, I work with it all the time. I recommend you buy the whole metal sheet of the same thickness for testing, it will be much cheaper.
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I like your 338, i have a 6.5 creedmoor in the same rifle! And love it.
Great video man. I sure wish I would have picked up a Mosin when they were cheap and the ammo was cheap. I looked the other day to possibly order some ammo for my 8x56R Styer, too expensive.
Wish I had too
Love your videos thanks for all the info I love my mosins they never fail Be Safe and God Bless 👍🎅
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Awesome man Thanks
I was wondering about the power and accuracy of the .22 lr subsonic or the quiet rnds. Thanks. Great content
Man, that .338 Lapua is insane!!!
Has some boogie
@@WHOTEEWHO It's a spicy round!!!
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Love The ol Rifles... I have an old 8mm Mauser that has some nice patina on it , but the rifling is clean & sharp as ever!
.303 British is a terrific deer cartridge.
English has never made a decent firearm, but the 303 Enfield has won small war's with that accuracy, it's always been an excellent Sniper Rifle
Of it's day and I realize admonition is
A little pricey but it's WORTH it 👌 for an Antique 303 Enfield Rifle.
😂many would disagree on that comment, the British Webley service revolver was renowned for its robust reliability and saw service in many wars, it could eject its spent shells in less than a second single handed on horse back, it was both single and double action, it’s US rival the Colt SAA as legendary as it was could at best get 6 shots off and reload in the time the Webley could get 18 shots off.
The biggest difference between the UK and the US was that most firearms in the UK were designed for the military and as such there looks and finish was secondary to there reliability, whereas in the US there has always been been a huge demand for firearms in the domestic market, and as such the looks where just as important as the reliability, the US make some fine looking guns for sure.
Nice to see the 338 Lapua out!!
Hey Raptor. Another 338lm video coming this week
that 303 have a lockout magazine lockout single shot
Some of the phrases you use 🤣🤣👍. Keep bangen bud.
Thanks for watching Jason!
I have been wanting to try the 46 grain hollow core mosin practice ammo. Supposed to be moving close to 4000 fps. Stuff is corrosive tho have been reluctant. Would love to see its affect on things even tho it will break apart
“I think a 338 LaPua will stop it.”
April fools was a few weeks ago.
Close to where I live in Norfolk in the uk was an old ww2 training range - it was just off of a beach in some dunes & my dad would take us for walks there in the 80s & we have found live .303 & 9mm round & loads of shrapnel - I still go for walks there now with my kids loads of spent .303 shells & 9 mm shells & spent bullet heads. If we’re lucky we can find a few 45s but they are few & far between.
That was an awesome video WTW! Well they all are, but this one hit the spot tonight! Thanks for sharing brother! Have a great week!🤘🏽🇺🇸👊🏽
Thanks for watching Michael!
FYI The Enfield MK1 is the Australian shortened barrel Rifle club pattern for competition shooting, it wasn't meant for combat unlike the Mosin
Remington used to make .303 British FMJ cartridges in addition to the soft points. Not sure if the new owners of Remington will continue making them, hopefully they do.
I used to use .303 nylon tips for hunting (forget the make) so there are a few different rounds floating around.
Keep looking. About 40-50% of 303 I find in Canada (& we have WAY less options than Americans) is FMJ (usually around 174 grain)
Hornaday had "vintage match BTHP" 174 grains and they're awesome but maybe discontinued haven't seen any in about a year or so
Lots of 303 180 gr federal at my local can tire
Back in the early sixties the British 303 that's all you get was steel jacketed you couldn't get the soft tip
I have a 303 British. Someone in the past cut the barrel behind the front sight to install a scope. I’d really like to get another barrel. Do you know any resources to buy parts? Thanks. I’m a new subscriber and like the content you post.
Really admire how u strive to have a rifle in every calibre
Nice. 338 went on through like that armour wasn't even there! Ouch!!!
Hi WTH. HI everyone.
That was a good video. Also very educational. I felt like I was watching MR Rogers with guns. Love it and thank you. God bless you and your family
WTW next time you bring out the .338 lapua can you set the cartridge on the table next to the .303 to compare the size? You're hilarious and a blast. 👍💥😁
Good idea
That .303 with the round top looks like a .30 30.I've only ever seen the FMJ ones.
I’ve not done much looking in to the 303 but I’m interested to see what it can do.👍keep up the videos they are great.👍
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remember the 303 is a very old cartridge, Muzzle velocity will not top 2600fps if that. as a hunting round, i would limit my shots on deer to under 300 yds. not a very diverse choice of bullets either, compared to the 30-06.
That was a really fun video...👍😊👍
Thanks for watching Sean
we learned if you need armor it should be lvl5 or better i think plates made from 3/4 big dong steel might do it great video thanks
See if you can get a hold of some .303 AP.
Snipers used it in the first world war as a countertactic. German troops used steel shields with a hole in them to cut down the angle they could be hit from.
Yes sir that 338 drilled right threw. Oh wait cause I am sure other guys are gonna say it “It only went through due to the fact that the armour was compromised from the 303 and the 7.62 rounds!” 😉🤣💪
Loved the video man
Thanks for watching Spike!
@@WHOTEEWHO your welcome man
There's a lot of the full metal jacket 303 British out there usually they sell them in surplus type situations
The two forward tabs on the top front of your 303 mag often causes feed issues when push the bolt forward to load. Tabs need to be bent out the at a bit
I've never seen a lead tip .303 before, the ony ones Ive ever used were British issue military rounds from post 1960. Always jacketed.
Love the safety glasses I have the same pair lol
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These rifles are so cool my local gunsmith has both of these for sale and im gonna get one if both for sure..love the video awsome as always
Thanks for watching j b
You can see a mark from all three shots on the front. A scab finally broke off the inside after the 3rd. Other damage is from it rebounding against the stake. .303 is a calibre, there were dozens of different types of round - expect the 7.62x54 was the same.
I’m surprised they both stopped I knew that the 338 was going through it
Me too
Nice WTW! If you get on that google machine and use ammo seek or ammo buy, searching the mosin round, you can find armor piercing rounds and russian tracer spotting rounds which are explosive tips. Now that would be interesting to see how those fair on the body armor.
I've been looking 👍👍
Great video , would be great to see if 300wsm would go through body armor ....
Good idea
Hey Who Tee Who if you want to find 303 British ammo in something other than the Core Lokt Round nose lead tip maybe try checking with Canadian suppliers as we use the 303 far more often than you see in the US. Also the Canadian hunters have taken the Canadian and Yukon/Alaska moose with the 303 british as well as elk and bears both black bears and grizzlies so it's not under powered by any measure in fact my father regularly took moose with one shot kills on a regular basis. You don't need a huge magnum hunting round to take any north american game as it's bullet placement more than any large powerful round which just cause more flinching and damaged meat and game being wounded than any of these 'underpowered' 303. british.or even a 6.5 swedish.
Great vid man!
Thanks for watching David!
@@WHOTEEWHO no problem! I lobe your content
Where to begin.... The .303 and the 7.62, along with every other military cartridge of that era were designed to kill people who weren't wearing kevlar armour. The .338 Lapua was. The. 303 you have has inferior metallurgy to the 7.62 Mosin. There may be only thirty years difference between them, but major advances in metal technology occurred during that time, which means the Mosin can handle higher pressures.
Lastly, a round nosed, lead tipped hunting bullet is designed to expand..... As it's a hunting bullet. A fmj, spitzer bullet isn't, so will penetrate.
If time travel was possible, take that ballistic plate back to 1943 and I guarantee you those very clever, crafty Russians (and the British, for that matter) would have quickly worked up a cartridge to defeat it.
As they say, necessity is the mother of invention and war sure works a treat on driving creativity, it seems.
@Andic Wong They were excellent weapons - especially the smle - for their time. In fact, the world's most successful sniper of all time, a Finn named Simo Hăyhä, dispatched about 500 Soviet invaders with an iron sighted, Finnish M28 version of the 7.62 Mosin Nagant.
The key phrase is "for their time." Did the rifles of 1943 have better, strong metalwork to the rifles of 1913? Yes, without question. Does that mean ammunition for the later rifles could be loaded to higher pressures, creating higher muzzle velocity? Yes.
There is a question mark over whether the Lee Enfield action is strong enough to shoot 7.62 Nato rounds. The Indian Army would have rechambered the Lee Enfields because that is the weapon they had, in abundance. They had achieved independence only a few years before the 7.62 Nato round was adopted and it was by far the cheapest, most expedient option for a relatively poor country with hundreds of millions of mouths to feed. Worrying about whether or not their inventory of smles could safely work with Nato ammunition would have been low in their list of priorities, at that time.
You might get some ball ammo in Canada, sure we have it here in Australia.
Try it against the 8x57 mauser.
Like to see that done with some Yellow Box Brass Case Match Grade for the Mosin, It has a more pointed Tip than most 7.62x54R
I want a 303 Lee-Enfield You gotta love it.❤
PPU makes FMJ for a 303 but like all ammo it's hard to find it. Also Remington UMC makes it also both a 174 gr. Since Remington just opened back up maybe it will back on the shelf soon.
Hard to find everything right now
Nice Mosin. Mine is from the same plant, but 1 year earlier. Same gun.
It wasn't the original round planned on but wow buddy that 338 lapua made short work of that level 3 armor. Since he just happen to have one with him. Who-tee-who
Lapua is a beast
@@WHOTEEWHO ya it isman
Keep the 303 vids up man .there good
Thanks for watching Cole
I’m Canadian. Lee Enfield was my first rifle. I’m 56. Great rifle and round
Smoothest mosin bolt I have ever seen
I hate missing the chats but no notification and I forgot the video till it was done over. See y’all soon brother GOD BLESS y’all Amen 🙏
Checking in late! Bet this gonna be fun! 😁
Heyo! Always appreciate you watching
Wow! You've got some collector's rifles there! I still think you should try 5.56 green tips and .270 on it!
Good idea