303 british vs 7.62x54r vs BODY ARMOR
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303 british vs 7.62x54r vs BODY ARMOR
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Max Arms has some 303 British FMJ surplus and 762X51.
I can send you some steel core 7.62x54r if you're interested
WTW that was a great video! Have you done 6.5CM vs armor yet??
When u hit it with. The bullets did it spall ??
What we actually learned is that if you soften up your body armour with a 303 British and a 7.62 Mosin first, the 338 Lapua is definitely in with a chance.
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We learned that multiple rounds in the same spot in body armor plates will go through
I feel bad for TH-camrs doing this sort of thing. Having multiple plates is expensive.
Personally I'd rather they look at mild steel of a greater thickness. Not the same, but for most entertainment purposes pretty good.
Yep. Not exactly a scientific approach to the test. Shoot a new plate with .303 or 7.62x54 three times near the same spot and the 3rd shot would probably do the same.
This is the entire premise of the am-180 sub machine gun
You out to find the boat tail spitzer 303 load in order to appreciate its full qualities!
303 ball surplus is readily found in Canada , Australia, UK and India, in fact it is still manufactured in India up till quite recently if not still actually being made, those soft points are the sporting hunting round version and being used against military body armor is pointless for I would think would be obvious reasons.
Thanks for pointing out this is a bullshit video
In india its a prohibited bore,and its means civillians cant use it,only police.civillians are allowed to have modified version of 8mm mannlicher into shorter version and called 315
Herters(basically budget brand Winchester) makes .303 brand new as well and its cheap in Canada. Seen it for less than 20 bucks a box. And FMJ steel case Barnal 7.62x54r will mess up AR 500 steel with less than 20 rounds. Been my first hand experience
@@Psynova same, ive never seen 303 below $2/rd
@@andrewthomsonyou can get 303 British ammo for around $1-$1.50 per round if you buy it in bulk surplus spam cans but most of them are older than 40years old and you have to be careful and make sure they have been stored in a dry climate and everything and you can possibly get some dud ammo from the spam cans so you are rolling the dice when getting it.
.303 British is a terrific deer cartridge.
That 7.62x54r soft point wasn't made for hard targets. I'd like to see the same test with a surplus Russian military steel core 7.62x54r.
I was gonna suggest this as well; all of the surplus fmj Mosin rounds I own have a steel core with a lead boattail follower inside the jacket.
No soft points made for anything hard. Not just dopey 54R rounds.
The steel core 54 r I have shot goes through steel like a drill bit. I suspect the body armor won’t stop it.
The 303 round looked very odd, looked like a hand load with the projectile not fully seated.
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High velocity, soft point, close range gives expansion before penetration. Unless of cause you use a .338lp.
It looked like you hit the dirt with the .303
I have some of those Brown Bear 7.62x54r, 203 grain soft points for my Chicom type 53 carbine. They hit hard and the expansion is wicked. My 53 is currently loaded with them.
@@mizzoupatriot8814 I have the same ammo! I'm conserving it for the duration!
338 hit in a spot from the two previous rounds... hit it up higher in an area that wasn't compromised and see if it still goes through.
You need some of the steel core ammo for that Mosin. It goes through stuff a whole lot better
Back in the early to mid1960s that's all you could get for a British 303 was metal jacket bullets surplus
Yes I had several mk 111s in early sixties and the surplus ammo was mostly ww1 vintage with cordite strands for propellant and had many duds, the later mk 7 round with ball powder powder was better. This is in Australia, the rounds of mk7 was 10 cents a round up to the 80,s.
After first hit, Armor was compromised, 338 hit was after comp.2 times!
Yep, looks like the 338 hit the same spot the Mosin or 303 had previously.
Theres a ton of fmj 303 to be found on Ammo seek, I have trouble finding round nose. Also I'm always surprised at hot good the mk 3 looks when sporterized, though I prefer the original look.
Several years ago, I shared a 1,000 rd purchase of FMJ .303. It was made in Belgium in the 1980s. I also bought a few cloth bandoliers of clipped FMJ milsurp .303. I still have some of both. I'd be happy to send you some for your experiments but I'm not sure about mailing ammo cross the border (I'm in Canada) with all the insanity of our two lefty governments.
There's a famous mil story that states that the Brit/Commonwealth armies in WW1 loaded some rds backwards to defeat German counter-sniper armor plates. I've seen articles about this and I believe there is a vid on YT somewhere that tests the theory. Seems to work.
I bought an old Enfield 303 years ago that looked like death would help it, turned out to be one of the most accurate rifles I've ever owned. So much so that I refinished and sporterized the stock. It was a deer slayer.
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get some 180gr .303 soft points and drill in to the centre of the lead down about one inch and place a hardened concrete nail in it make sure it is centred then fire it at your armour, you will be surprised
What about backwards bullets like they did in ww2 for shooting tanks
It doesn't even look like the .303 Brit even hit the armor, just the dirt in front of it...
The year of manufacture of SMLE is under the bolt for most..
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That 338 just waltzed on through that measly level 3. I would love to see some lever rifle vids man!!
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Awesome video interesting to see what the old tried and true Calibers do to modern armor!!!
Gotta love em
Great video as always. Fun to see the old military rifles in action!
Max respect for that wee expirement, when I was a boy I fired 303's at a Scottish rifle range, what a great day that was circa 1978
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What some don't understand is " Body Armor" can stop a bullet. But, yes the energy transfer to the body from the bullet can cause Hemorrhage, broken bones, and be very painful causing severe pain or even loss of feeling.
You must be talking about soft armor. Hard plates absorb the energy and spread it out over the entire steel plate. It's not going to feel good but it's generally not going to do all the damage as you described.
I have only ever found hard tip 303 British at gun shows.
English has never made a decent firearm, but the 303 Enfield has won small war's with that accuracy, it's always been an excellent Sniper Rifle
Of it's day and I realize admonition is
A little pricey but it's WORTH it 👌 for an Antique 303 Enfield Rifle.
😂many would disagree on that comment, the British Webley service revolver was renowned for its robust reliability and saw service in many wars, it could eject its spent shells in less than a second single handed on horse back, it was both single and double action, it’s US rival the Colt SAA as legendary as it was could at best get 6 shots off and reload in the time the Webley could get 18 shots off.
The biggest difference between the UK and the US was that most firearms in the UK were designed for the military and as such there looks and finish was secondary to there reliability, whereas in the US there has always been been a huge demand for firearms in the domestic market, and as such the looks where just as important as the reliability, the US make some fine looking guns for sure.
The wartime .303 round was a boat-tailed, spire point fmj round that had a wood or compressed card tip backed by lead. The idea was that the round would hit a target, bend like a banana and tumble through the wound to cause maximum injury. The soft tip was also a money saving thing during austerity, and got around the dum-dum prohibitions. Your test rounds probably use nitro-cellulose smokeless powder instead of Cordite stick propellants. The original .303 had an accurate range of 1000 yards, but could fly in excess of 1.5 miles. When trialled in the new .303 BREN machine gun, a mag of 30 rounds cut down a tree, so the barrel was de-accuratised to spread the coverage. Your .303 was the SMLE carbine version as opposed to the rifle, which had furniture to the full length of the barrel and weighed 8.5 lbs fully loaded. The later SMLE Mk IV and Mk IV* had folding sights and a longer barrel extension.
You may have hit the plate in an area already weakened by the previous 2 rounds... but the Lapua round was a good idea! Also, you were on the money about the energy transfer to target plate!
That gifted round looked a lot like a 7.92x57mm / 8mm Mauser round
well, the yugoslavs chambered their Mosin's in 8mm Mauser.
Man, that .338 Lapua is insane!!!
Has some boogie
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Remington used to make .303 British FMJ cartridges in addition to the soft points. Not sure if the new owners of Remington will continue making them, hopefully they do.
I used to use .303 nylon tips for hunting (forget the make) so there are a few different rounds floating around.
In New Zealand the deer cullers were issued ex army 303 rifles and millitary hard nose rounds. They were here in the thousands .one would grind or cut the tips off so the projectile would mushroom when hitting bone.and there plenty of armour peircing and tracer bullets..
Always happy to see your clips on the memorable old 303, my dear old dad always ask if you have done any new posts with the smle. Once we watch a new one we spend quite some time reminiscing about days gone by and seam to do a lot of laughing. Thanks once again your post really cheer my old dad up, good on you m8 ask we say in nz.
My father had a 303 British...he told me a story of the bolts would somtime come back and hit the guy in the eye...calling them one eyed British...lol
That .303 with the round top looks like a .30 30.I've only ever seen the FMJ ones.
Just commenting. No disrespect meant Sir. I’m Canadian. The No. 1 Mk. 3 was my first rifle when I got my licence in 1978. I believe they approximate 7.62X51 level, while 7.62X54R are approximate 7.62X63. Some feeding issues may be caused by the rimmed cartridge. Also, trigger is pretty much “two stage”. There is a lot of take up until you reach the next resistance. Then , not so bad. Maybe designed to help prevent AD/ND from new recruits? Both great rifles for different reasons. Here in Canada, most hunters own at least one .303. We have used them for everything from ground hogs to moose. I assume bear as well. Thank you for what you do Sir. Much respect from Canada.
Thanks for watching Dave
Yes sir every Canadian has a 303 , and iv taking moose and black bear with it great gun.
Shot my first whitetail back in 1990 with my .303 Enfield. Been a fan of the .303 ever since.
Awesome!
Nice to see the 338 Lapua out!!
Hey Raptor. Another 338lm video coming this week
Awesome video. I love the old guns, some just stand the test of time
Thanks for watching Mr Chipps
I'm really glad that the FMJ turned out not to be 7.62x54R. I was looking at both cartridges and thinking that I'd gone crazy because they didn't appear to be the same caliber.
For your video purposes, the .303 British and Mosin rounds not going through the plate were bad. For anyone who owns RTS Tactical plate, their not going through the plate is great news.
At 10 or 20 yards, I'm not sure that the plate stopping a .338 Lapua round is going to save the wearer. That much force hitting the chest would be brutal.
Your friends at Bad Dobby's have some nice lizards, but I'm disappointed that they don't have any good snakes.
I looked (prompted by your comment) and sure enough, the third round at the beginning of the video didn't have a rim. The green sealant on the bullet puts me in mind of WW2 8x57mm ammo. But I'm not willing to commit myself under these circumstances.
WTW next time you bring out the .338 lapua can you set the cartridge on the table next to the .303 to compare the size? You're hilarious and a blast. 👍💥😁
Good idea
The year on Enfields is always under the bolt handle
Grew up shooting a No4 mk1 until my dad sold it, went to a 30-60 BSA Monarch and a Savage lever in .35 Whelan.
See if you can get a hold of some .303 AP.
Snipers used it in the first world war as a countertactic. German troops used steel shields with a hole in them to cut down the angle they could be hit from.
303 British in 7.62x54r. Both been fighting battles in wars and still are. Both good hunting round
Both rimmed cases. Why I'm suprized got mixed up with 308
They make all sorts of awesome 7.62x54R ammo. Armor piercing, armor piercing incendiary, and plenty of other goodies. I’d say it is more powerful than the .303 British. Great video as always
Midway USA carries 303 British FMJ all the time, made by Prvi Partisan in Serbia. Lots of 303 British ammo is out there if you just look for it.
I’ve not done much looking in to the 303 but I’m interested to see what it can do.👍keep up the videos they are great.👍
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remember the 303 is a very old cartridge, Muzzle velocity will not top 2600fps if that. as a hunting round, i would limit my shots on deer to under 300 yds. not a very diverse choice of bullets either, compared to the 30-06.
The old rifles from past wars are interesting. Thank you for bringing them out and shooting them for us.
Thanks for watching Andy!
we learned if you need armor it should be lvl5 or better i think plates made from 3/4 big dong steel might do it great video thanks
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Hey gunning
I've never seen a lead tip .303 before, the ony ones Ive ever used were British issue military rounds from post 1960. Always jacketed.
It may have stopped the .338 but your organs arent piping right anymore 😂
I’m Canadian. Lee Enfield was my first rifle. I’m 56. Great rifle and round
Awesome video man, did you ever figure out what that FMJ bullet was, because it looks like steel case 3006! Can’t wait for the next one WTW!
Not sure what it was
I have a 303 British. Someone in the past cut the barrel behind the front sight to install a scope. I’d really like to get another barrel. Do you know any resources to buy parts? Thanks. I’m a new subscriber and like the content you post.
You might get some ball ammo in Canada, sure we have it here in Australia.
Try it against the 8x57 mauser.
Weak sauce...my new favorite phrase.
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303 brittish fmj sold every reload store I been too factory loaded
British 303 is an amazing gun and round had one since I was 12 and my son has one as well. Will take down anything in North America and ammo is everywhere.
Keep looking. About 40-50% of 303 I find in Canada (& we have WAY less options than Americans) is FMJ (usually around 174 grain)
Hornaday had "vintage match BTHP" 174 grains and they're awesome but maybe discontinued haven't seen any in about a year or so
Lots of 303 180 gr federal at my local can tire
Remember in the early 90’s when you could buy a WW2 303 Brit. or 7.7 Arisaka or 6.5 Carcano for $25 to $50? Or a new SKS for $60? I saw 50 gallon drums full of them in Paducah Kentucky.
You can get FMJ 303 British ammo easier and cheaper than the soft point 303 British ammo but you usually have to get a surplus spam can of bulk 303 British ammo.
Good one Bud, hey the first two were lead was the 338 an FMJ could be the dif.
I am definitely a Mosin fan I have a 1926 Mosin.
But in all fairness I have never shot a 303 British so I could change my mind!!!
FMJ .303 BRITISH is common in Army Surplus stores in Nebraska. Pawn shops and hardware stores.
It’s amazing you are still comparing WW1 technology against 2022 armour.
I'd like to see how the 303, 7.62x54R, and the 308 compare to one another.
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Great video , would be great to see if 300wsm would go through body armor ....
Good idea
Hi bro , I hope next challenge between kar98 and mosin nagant and Enfield 303 !
Love The ol Rifles... I have an old 8mm Mauser that has some nice patina on it , but the rifling is clean & sharp as ever!
Great video man. I sure wish I would have picked up a Mosin when they were cheap and the ammo was cheap. I looked the other day to possibly order some ammo for my 8x56R Styer, too expensive.
Wish I had too
The softpoint .303 Brit ammo is all one can find from U. S. manufacturers; it's all made for hunting use. The FMJ stuff will be either surplus - and the supply is running out, it is finite - or PPU (Privi Partisan) makes brand new FMJ .303 Brit ammo for military rifle buffs (at least before the recent panic). Of course, right now dadburn near everything is scarce. And just to show you're correct, FMJ rounds should be compared to FMJ rounds; (you should have used...). And truthfully, if I were contingently planning to engage a belligerent with body armor, FMJ (if not AP -armor piercing) would be available. (Presuming I could prepare.)
I did shoot the PPU ammunition and checked speed with a chronograph. It clocks about 100 fps slower than some 'Olin' made ammunition which seems to be a duplication of the British specifications. Just under 2400 fps; pretty serious round.
Holding the two (7.62x54Rmm and the unknown round) as you did shows the unknown round has a longer case than the Mosin round. As the Mosin round is 54 mm long (that's what the name means) the unknown round is longer. I suspect (no guarantee) that case may be 57mm (2.24 inches) long, likely a 8x57mm Mauser round.
All in all I like the premise of the video. It compares 'this' to 'that' and fairly. You seem to be a pretty good shooter. I like that. By the way, soft point hunting rounds are not intended to penetrate body armor. The Lapua is used for sniping, but probably used more for large game. It has more brute force.
Just so you know: I do not have all this stuff in my head. If you do not have one, get a recent edition of . It is a marvelous reference book and history lesson about such things. Don't memorize it all, just check on what you have and things you show. And a decent loading manual will tell you about the length and width of cartridges.
Love your videos thanks for all the info I love my mosins they never fail Be Safe and God Bless 👍🎅
Really appreciate you watching Frank
You maybe should have checked the plate after each shot. the 338 probably went through one of the other holes.
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.257 Robert’s vs 6.5 creedmore
1000 yard groups/or just hit clay blocks with them
PPU makes FMJ for a 303 but like all ammo it's hard to find it. Also Remington UMC makes it also both a 174 gr. Since Remington just opened back up maybe it will back on the shelf soon.
Hard to find everything right now
Keep the 303 vids up man .there good
Thanks for watching Cole
Thanks for the video. Will do a video on the 338 win mag vs paper plates or anything else. Thanks again for your videos
More 338wm soon
I've had a mosin for a while. I've only fired the spam can ammo through it. It has about
refrigerator door MOA. Maybe one day ill put reasonable ammo through it. The bore seems oversized for the bullet diameter.
That 303 round looks circumcised... Why is the cannelure way the heck up there? 🤔Are they reloads?
Those 303 rounds are antique.I have some they did the canalure up on the bullets so they would mushroom is what I read on a forum.
First of all, you used soft nose rounds,which expand,and expend energy quickly.
Had you used the milspec FMJ rounds it would have more impact.(PPU makes them).
The .338 was meant to have more fps,more energy,than either the .303,or the Mosin,(due to restrictions on military ammo,only fmj was allowed,for all nations,at the time).
Awesome man Thanks
I've fired many 303 full metal pointy tip. Big difference.
“I think a 338 LaPua will stop it.”
April fools was a few weeks ago.
That was an awesome video WTW! Well they all are, but this one hit the spot tonight! Thanks for sharing brother! Have a great week!🤘🏽🇺🇸👊🏽
Thanks for watching Michael!
The Mk 7 .303 was a dum-dum bullet developed by the British to circumvent the Geneva convention. It was filled with cellulose, or sawdust, in order to move the CG of the bullet rearwards, so that it toppled immediately upon striking anything.
@@Gungeek Yes, actually several earlier Marks were expanding bullets, but the work-around for the Geneva Convention (which banned them) was the VII, which in peacetime was aluminium-filled but later in expedient War Service was filled with sawdust or cardboard etc.. The VII was the most common wartime round
The 303 shot missed hit the ground in front of the plate😂
isnt mosin nagant load 7.62x54r? roughly equal to .30-06?
Tu pourrais essayer la 300wm si ça traverse ce blindage ?
I want a 303 Lee-Enfield You gotta love it.❤
We have brass 130 gr 303 British monolithic solids that is running at 3070 fps
Wicked little bullet
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They are reloads only in South Africa
Sub calibre with driving bands
Almost like shooting a 22 Hornet with respect to recoil out of 1916 Lee Enfield
Extremely accurate and 3 shot clover leaf at 200 metres
Max Arms still had .303 fmj last I checked!
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.303 with 180grain fmj goes through 9/16 thick steel plate @ 200 yards. Maybe one day I'll make a video.
Winchester sells the fmj.303, in Canada we really only carry the .303 fmj if you can try ordering some from here
Thanks Jordan
FYI The Enfield MK1 is the Australian shortened barrel Rifle club pattern for competition shooting, it wasn't meant for combat unlike the Mosin
That 303 didn’t look like it was pushed down all the way
Any video with Mosin Nagants and shooting are good!
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Awesome seeing the savage 338 brought out, I’ve only put 14 rounds thru mine so far due to ammogeddin
The Lee Enfield date stamp is underneath the bolt handle.