My grandparents were on this flight on their way to start their retirement. I never got to meet them, and I never knew much about how they passed away. Thanks for posting this.
God bless them all.i live in Kent but have paid my respects at the cemetery in South Manchester a few years ago having remembered this back in 1980 as a 15 year old and as I have relatives up north decided to go and visit the memorial
I flew on this aircraft the night before from Italy to Gatwick. The crew told us they were ferrying up to Manchester for the flight to Tenerife the following morning.
I flew on this plane the night before from Italy to Gatwick The crew said they were going to Manchester for a flight to Tenerife the following day and we joked that they could take us with them as we were going to West Yorkshire.
Thanks for posting this very interesting Panorama investigation into the 1980 Dan Air Boeing 727-100 (G-BDAN) crash at TFN. I have been searching for this programme for many years. Do you also have the Panorama programme from 1976 investigating the British airways Trident three (G-AWZT) crash over Zagreb with an Inex Adria DC-9? Again this crash was down to an ATC error.
I've always wrongly believed this was Pilot error - So shocking to hear how this could so easily have been avoided. An unforgiveable error; only one person in the Tenerife conrol tower issuing landing instruction.. an 'otherwise engaged' distressed person at that We had two friends on board & their children, I spoke to him on the telephone the evening before they left. They were so happy to have managed to book this holiday, booked in a rush, a last minute cancellation - I think of them often :(
RIP all the persons that died on this tragic accident, and my condolences to their families. The critical element of this sad accident was the non publication of the FP holding pattern. Had it been published, the Dan Air Crew would have had a clear idea on what to do when they received the instruction to turn left. The Air Traffic Controler at Tenerife is not, in part, to blame, as he probably was not aware that the Dan Air Crew did not has the FP holding pattern information. But he is to blame, on the other side, as to have given to the Dan Air Crew, in very short time, the instruction to take the FP holding pattern (he should have given the instruction with much more time, for the Dan Air Crew to perform the right approach to the airport). Regarding the Dan Air Flight Crew, their main mistake was not to question ATC about the meaning of 'turn left' (an instruction not understandable to them as they did not have the information on the holding pattern). Another mistake is that they where not aware that, to the South-West of the FP marker (the direction they took), there was a high ground area (they should have known how where the surroundings of the airport). Regarding the BBC documentary, its a biased one: -Contrary to what they say on the documentary, the Spanish Authorities report does not put all the blame on the Dan Air Crew, as it also indicates, as causes of the accident: the non publication of the FP holding pattern, as well as the fact that the Dan Air Crew got, in very short time, the instruction to turn left. -It also seems to put in doubt the profesionality of Tenerife ATC (and, by the way, on all the ATC system of southern Europe on those dates), by showing the Boeing 747’s crash 3 years before at that same airport. But that accident was clearly a take off without clearance on the part of one of the 747’s pilot. The blame, on that sad accident is, mainly, on the terrorists who put the bomb at Las Palmas airport, and being a contributory factor the pressure put on crews for complying with too tight flying time regultations at the time.
The BBC documentary was made before the final report was issued and there was an awful lot of politicking in between that broadcast and the reports publication. There were mistakes made by both the British pilots and Spanish ATC. Neither party comes out of this exactly smelling of roses. Lots of cumulative errors resulted in this horrible accident.
@@missasinenomine I guessed they might be on the same channel but that the uploader hadn't labelled them very well. Turned out to be true: the uploader has used exactly the same title for all 4 videos which isn't very helpful when searching for them.
@@ajs41 Yes. Rather disjointed I must say. But each part was quite short, so I just watched all of them one after the other. An absolute tragedy. Not having radar can be excused I suppose. But not the timing of 2 aircraft so close together, so that Dan Air had to wait. This aspect was not mentioned in any of the reports. And I always thought that the correct ATC protocol was to use compass bearings; never turn left or right. If the controller had said, fly north out to sea & hold, that would have been so obvious for the pilot. Tiredness, overwork, or your mother dying from cancer are never excuses for professionals. Without radar, there has to be even MORE emphasis on verbal communication. Not less. In this the pilot should have requested confirmation. Esp. since he had never flown that holding pattern before.
As we know Tennerife and her poor visibility, ATC and an overeager Dutch pilot, also very much the omission of a single word caused another fatal crash which was to this day the world's worst-ever air disaster... thankfully the airport has long since been closed. RIP to the victims of 1008 and the many others who perished at Tenerife in her relatively short history as an international airport.
@@frajalo Well of course it's very safe once everyone has GPS and radar. It was a stupid place to put an airport when people didn't have GPS and radar.
@@fliegenistdassicherste8828 It's very unusual to be able to hear the real CVR recording when it involves a British crew. This is the only one I know of.
OMG. As a Brit I can confirm 5000 million is a billion, and 1 million million is 1 trillion, not 1 billion. Just as it is in America or whatever country you come from. Numbers are universal.
I believe that it was the air controllers main responsibility because he's THE ONE who knows his native surroundings or supposed to. Regardless now what the report said I do believe that the controller is living with HIS fatal mistake and that really can be punishment in itself. I do feel that he should've been held responsible but in a way he is if he has any kind of moral compass.
My grandparents were on this flight on their way to start their retirement. I never got to meet them, and I never knew much about how they passed away. Thanks for posting this.
My grandparents were on it too.
Sending love.
There is a monument to the dead in a graveyard in Manchester
God bless them all.i live in Kent but have paid my respects at the cemetery in South Manchester a few years ago having remembered this back in 1980 as a 15 year old and as I have relatives up north decided to go and visit the memorial
When flying without radar, it is the Captains job to maintain safe terrain clearance, regardless of what the ATC instruct you to descend to
I flew on this aircraft in the 1970s. Chilling. RIP.
I flew on this aircraft the night before from Italy to Gatwick. The crew told us they were ferrying up to Manchester for the flight to Tenerife the following morning.
Rip Melanie French one of the young stewardesses
2:17 CVR
RIP Bill. I also remember a whole family, including children, from a local north Wales town that were wiped out that day.
Tragic.
How have the past 4 years been to you and yours?
I flew on this plane the night before from Italy to Gatwick
The crew said they were going to Manchester for a flight to Tenerife the following day and we joked that they could take us with them as we were going to West Yorkshire.
Thanks for posting this very interesting Panorama investigation into the 1980 Dan Air Boeing 727-100 (G-BDAN) crash at TFN. I have been searching for this programme for many years.
Do you also have the Panorama programme from 1976 investigating the British airways Trident three (G-AWZT) crash over Zagreb with an Inex Adria DC-9? Again this crash was down to an ATC error.
A chain of events. As is always the case in Air accidents
Part of the problem is that the Flight Engineer is on board a different A/c, a 747!
Just thinking about the people that were lost in this accident on this day in 1980
I've always wrongly believed this was Pilot error - So shocking to hear how this could so easily have been avoided. An unforgiveable error; only one person in the Tenerife conrol tower issuing landing instruction.. an 'otherwise engaged' distressed person at that
We had two friends on board & their children, I spoke to him on the telephone the evening before they left. They were so happy to have managed to book this holiday, booked in a rush, a last minute cancellation - I think of them often :(
I too would enjoy viewing the Zagreb mid-air crash if you have it...thanks.
There is a film made about that accident and the trail of the ATC. I have seen it here on YT.
43 years today(25/4/23),rip all that were sadly lost
The other parts of the video are here: th-cam.com/users/DanAirCrashvideos
RIP all the persons that died on this tragic accident, and my condolences to their families.
The critical element of this sad accident was the non publication of the FP holding pattern. Had it been published, the Dan Air Crew would have had a clear idea on what to do when they received the instruction to turn left.
The Air Traffic Controler at Tenerife is not, in part, to blame, as he probably was not aware that the Dan Air Crew did not has the FP holding pattern information. But he is to blame, on the other side, as to have given to the Dan Air Crew, in very short time, the instruction to take the FP holding pattern (he should have given the instruction with much more time, for the Dan Air Crew to perform the right approach to the airport).
Regarding the Dan Air Flight Crew, their main mistake was not to question ATC about the meaning of 'turn left' (an instruction not understandable to them as they did not have the information on the holding pattern). Another mistake is that they where not aware that, to the South-West of the FP marker (the direction they took), there was a high ground area (they should have known how where the surroundings of the airport).
Regarding the BBC documentary, its a biased one:
-Contrary to what they say on the documentary, the Spanish Authorities report does not put all the blame on the Dan Air Crew, as it also indicates, as causes of the accident: the non publication of the FP holding pattern, as well as the fact that the Dan Air Crew got, in very short time, the instruction to turn left.
-It also seems to put in doubt the profesionality of Tenerife ATC (and, by the way, on all the ATC system of southern Europe on those dates), by showing the Boeing 747’s crash 3 years before at that same airport. But that accident was clearly a take off without clearance on the part of one of the 747’s pilot. The blame, on that sad accident is, mainly, on the terrorists who put the bomb at Las Palmas airport, and being a contributory factor the pressure put on crews for complying with too tight flying time regultations at the time.
The BBC documentary was made before the final report was issued and there was an awful lot of politicking in between that broadcast and the reports publication. There were mistakes made by both the British pilots and Spanish ATC. Neither party comes out of this exactly smelling of roses. Lots of cumulative errors resulted in this horrible accident.
smac...sorry for your loss.terrible crash...avoidable sadly..so many mistakes all round
Where is the rest of the video? This ended half way through a word.
I remember this crash. Horrible. RIP
Where's the rest of the video? It ends @9:30.
The other parts of the video are here: th-cam.com/users/DanAirCrashvideos
@@ajs41 Thank you!
@@missasinenomine I guessed they might be on the same channel but that the uploader hadn't labelled them very well. Turned out to be true: the uploader has used exactly the same title for all 4 videos which isn't very helpful when searching for them.
@@ajs41 Yes. Rather disjointed I must say. But each part was quite short, so I just watched all of them one after the other. An absolute tragedy. Not having radar can be excused I suppose. But not the timing of 2 aircraft so close together, so that Dan Air had to wait. This aspect was not mentioned in any of the reports.
And I always thought that the correct ATC protocol was to use compass bearings; never turn left or right.
If the controller had said, fly north out to sea & hold, that would have been so obvious for the pilot.
Tiredness, overwork, or your mother dying from cancer are never excuses for professionals. Without radar, there has to be even MORE emphasis on verbal communication. Not less. In this the pilot should have requested confirmation. Esp. since he had never flown that holding pattern before.
"the air crew are played by actors"
North Tenderise airport, not the safest airport due to mount Tade
As we know Tennerife and her poor visibility, ATC and an overeager Dutch pilot, also very much the omission of a single word caused another fatal crash which was to this day the world's worst-ever air disaster... thankfully the airport has long since been closed. RIP to the victims of 1008 and the many others who perished at Tenerife in her relatively short history as an international airport.
Tenerife Norte is still fully operational. It was never closed and moves around 4 million passengers.
@@frajalo Well of course it's very safe once everyone has GPS and radar. It was a stupid place to put an airport when people didn't have GPS and radar.
G_BDAN captains name Alan John Whelan AJW the reg of another Danair B727 AJW scary!
Shishilala.sorry to hear of the loss of friends in this terrible crssh
2:20 Is that the real CVR recording? The voices sound different than the actors they used in the recreation.
Yes
@@fliegenistdassicherste8828 It's very unusual to be able to hear the real CVR recording when it involves a British crew. This is the only one I know of.
They could hardly be the same since everyone on board died in the crash.
@@ajs41 They are definitely two separate recordings. But that didn't mean one of them was the actual CVR.
Air crash,haviland comet barcelona.
MONTSENY 1970
Also this incident occurred in 1980, 8 years before Lockerbie
Why is it relevant talk about the air traffic controllers mother?
Because he is a Brit.
In Brit, 5000 million is not 5 billion, it is 1/1000 of a billion.
(1 billion = 1 million million, in Brit)
OMG. As a Brit I can confirm 5000 million is a billion, and 1 million million is 1 trillion, not 1 billion. Just as it is in America or whatever country you come from. Numbers are universal.
@@jgsh8062 Numbers are not universal. In my country 1 billion = 1 miliard.
I went twice with Dan Air in 1982
Five thousand million pounds? What is that in USD?
You need to convert in to dollars and then use an inflation calculator to see what it would be today.
is this the plane tho crashed near Propriano
Not. The one here was on Tenerife Island, Canary Islands
The first four minutes are pure filler.
Its quite obvious, how that "documentary" tries to blame the spanish ATC.
He made most of the mistakes to be fair.
EN ESA ZONA Y LOS AKREDEDOREZ DE LOS RODEOS SUELE EN INVIERNO HABER UNA NIEBLA MUY ESPESA¡¡
I believe that it was the air controllers main responsibility because he's THE ONE who knows his native surroundings or supposed to. Regardless now what the report said I do believe that the controller is living with HIS fatal mistake and that really can be punishment in itself. I do feel that he should've been held responsible but in a way he is if he has any kind of moral compass.
:( Dan air🥺🥺🥺🥺
G-BDAN
Where was god
Dan Air was synonymous with death.
no
Wasn't Spantax synonymous with death?
boy this is old, What about lockbie.