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Air Crash Investigations What Happened to Flight 1008 Da
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based on the clip its a wonder there weren't more crashes during this period in the italy / greece area.
2:17 CVR
When flying without radar, it is the Captains job to maintain safe terrain clearance, regardless of what the ATC instruct you to descend to
Where is the rest of the video? This ended half way through a word.
43 years today(25/4/23),rip all that were sadly lost
North Tenderise airport, not the safest airport due to mount Tade
1977 had two jumbos crash , collide, that was Tenerife worst accident by far, worst than this one as jumbo x 2 so a lot people were killed, due to fog and lack of Tower speaking clear English, plus klm captain was in a rush to take off
8:33 Freemason 'Hidden Hand' gesture.
Why is it relevant talk about the air traffic controllers mother?
Where was god
EN ESA ZONA Y LOS AKREDEDOREZ DE LOS RODEOS SUELE EN INVIERNO HABER UNA NIEBLA MUY ESPESA¡¡
SOY DE TENERIFE FUE MUY TRISTRE ESE ACCIDENTE EN UNA ZONA A 1700 METROS LLAMADA EL " DIABLILLO" 1980 Y NO SOBREVIVIO NADIE Y LOS CADAVARES " DESTROZADOS" PERO TUBO ALGO DE CULPA EL CONTROLADOR PORQUE LOS TUBO DANDO VUELTAS EN UNA ZONA CON MUCHA NIEBLA Y QUE NO CONOCIAN LOS PILOTOS ADEMAS EN ESE TIEMPO NO HABIAN LOS ADELANTOS DE AHORA .. EN PAZ DESCANSEN...
The other parts of the video are here: th-cam.com/users/DanAirCrashvideos
How about atc give the correct information in the first place! ATC completely at fault for taking the plane into a mountain. If in doubt as the pilots were, they should seek clarity, easy for me to say I guess.
Trust foreign police and authorities about as much as a looter in a riot
The ATC killed 146 men women and children that day in April 1980 . Sending the aircraft towards the mountains apparently he gave the same fatal instructions to Britannia Boeing 737 and a British airtours but thankfully the chose to ignore the ATC and followed the correct route
:( Dan air🥺🥺🥺🥺
My amateur aviation geek's assessment is 25% blame to the crew, 75% to ATC. The instructions were absurdly confusing. Plus the fact that the Spanish government did not invest in state of the art radar equipment after the horrific KLM/PanAm disaster 3 years prior is utterly astonishing. Between 1972 and 1980, 884 people lost their lives in crashes at Tenerife. That Spanish official is un mentiroso tramposo and he knows it.
I agree with those percentages. As far as Spain is concerned, it was still a fascist dictatorship until 1975 and took about 10 years to get out of that mentality. Dictatorships probably think it's a waste of time to spend money on things like radar at a civilian airport. All they care about is people at the top, not ordinary people using ordinary airports. For instance, the government airports probably got radar installed as soon as possible, because important people were using them.
Arthur Whelan, the pilot was a friend of my father. I actually remember him standing in our kitchen saying landing at Tenerife was his least favourite operation. RIP, Arthur, you would have done your best..
The ATC obviously wasn't trained probably enough to have been left working by himself apparently he gave the same fatal instructions to a Britannia Boeing 737 and a British airtours but fortunately they chose to ignore him and landed safely . Alot of nice people died that day who were looking forward to a lovely holiday RIP
Is it me or at 0.48 there's a body showing. It might be wreckage but doesn't look like that to me. It's the white square part
Sadly not great.no repeating of poor instructions,nothing.very sad loss
Was our tv viewing really that blurred back then?
No, it's the uploader's or the person who recorded it's fault. There are loads of uploads from 1981 that are incredibly clear.
One of our close family members was cabin crew. She wasn’t supposed to work this day but did.
RIP.
😢
I can see now why Spain was a fascist dictatorship for so long.
Why didn't the ARC have radar? (It may be pointed out at the beginning, but I missed it).
Most poor countries couldn't afford it at the time, and Spain was a poor country at this time.
Where's the rest of the video? It ends @9:30.
The other parts of the video are here: th-cam.com/users/DanAirCrashvideos
@@ajs41 Thank you!
@@missasinenomine I guessed they might be on the same channel but that the uploader hadn't labelled them very well. Turned out to be true: the uploader has used exactly the same title for all 4 videos which isn't very helpful when searching for them.
@@ajs41 Yes. Rather disjointed I must say. But each part was quite short, so I just watched all of them one after the other. An absolute tragedy. Not having radar can be excused I suppose. But not the timing of 2 aircraft so close together, so that Dan Air had to wait. This aspect was not mentioned in any of the reports. And I always thought that the correct ATC protocol was to use compass bearings; never turn left or right. If the controller had said, fly north out to sea & hold, that would have been so obvious for the pilot. Tiredness, overwork, or your mother dying from cancer are never excuses for professionals. Without radar, there has to be even MORE emphasis on verbal communication. Not less. In this the pilot should have requested confirmation. Esp. since he had never flown that holding pattern before.
"the air crew are played by actors"
Fast forward to 2020, there has been no mayor accidents related to the black star Rimini and Corfu Airports.
right... funny how in relation to accidents in tenerife, bbc interviews italian authorities... not clear understanding of geography maybe ...
8:55 - does he even understands the question? If the air controller had said "turns" instead of "turn" the accident wouldn't have happened. Is not that hard to understand.
He thinks the crew should have questioned what they were told, but they knew they didn't have much time.
I flew on this aircraft the night before from Italy to Gatwick. The crew told us they were ferrying up to Manchester for the flight to Tenerife the following morning.
Rip Melanie French one of the young stewardesses
The first four minutes are pure filler.
This Italian minister was a disgrace and revealing of Italian severe systemic deficiencies.
Not questioning unclear ATC instructions. Losing situation awareness (position and minimum safe altitude). Descending below safe altitude while being unsure of their position in a non-radar environment. Deciding to climb away late when having been in doubt for quite some time about their position. Turning during the terrain escape maneuver. Yes ATC sucked. But there was a lot of CRM lessons to take away from this tragedy. This could have been avoided.
I think they thought they didn't have time to question the ACT. It might have taken too long.
Unfortunately, this was typical of the Spanish authorities at the time, and for some time following. If the aircraft involved in the incident was not Spanish, then it was automatically the fault of the flight crew or crews, as they tried to do with the Tenerife air disaster, also at Los Rodeos. For one thing, based on the emotional state the air traffic controller was undoubtedly in having just learned his mother was dying of terminal cancer, he was clearly not in a suitable mental condition to be working, let alone at a time when Los Rodeos was having one of its all-to-common technical failures. To perform his role effectively under those conditions and in view of the meteorological conditions, he needed to be able to maintain a three-dimensional picture of ALL the aircraft in his area, which he clearly absolutely failed to do, thus letting the 727 get too close to Iberia prop forcing him to put the Dan Air 727 into the improper holding pattern. To compound this, he then issued an effective order to the Dan Air crew to assume a flight path that was taking the aircraft into hazardous terrain at an instructed altitude massively below the minimum safe altitude. Pretty much from the time they began their descent the Dan Air crew would have had no visual clues to their position and their relationship to the mountains so they were utterly reliant on air traffic control and what information was available on their instruments to keep the aircraft out of trouble as they were being directed to fly an unapproved and very unsafe course which they would have no familiarity or "feel" for. Nonetheless, the experienced pilot had enough knowledge to realise that something was very wrong, but sadly too late to save the aircraft, though only barely. In the years since this has happened the way that pilots can interact with air traffic control have been considerably altered, so now a pilot can query instructions from ATC that they have concerns about, but back when the pilot of the accident aircraft was trained ATC's word was second only to God's, and you could potentially get you log book blotted if you questioned or disagreed with ATC without having a damn good reason to, a situation that remained in commercial aviation in many countries for a considerable time after this event. The pilots followed the instructions given to them, incorrectly, by a stressed air traffic controller who didn't have his mind on his job, and he flew the plane into a mountain. I certainly disagree that spatial disorientation for the pilots can really be argued as a cause as the pilots retained enough spatial orientation, even in unfamiliar terrain, to have at least started to recover the aircraft from the situation it was put in by going full power on, climb and initiate a right turn which their spatial awareness indicated was taking them away from an inevitable crash. Sadly, they failed by a few seconds and not very many feet, impacting the terrain not far from the crest of the terrain over which a considerable amount of wreckage subsequently travelled. This was absolutely and unequivocally the directly entire fault of the air traffic controller, and indirectly the fault of the Spanish government in continuing to allow the commercial use of Los Rodeos airport long past the stage where it had become demonstrably unsuitable for the level and type of traffic it was expected to take...
Interesting comment. The strange thing is that the new airport on the south of Tenerife had already opened at the time of this crash. Maybe it was full up with other flights.
R. I. P
But having said that I think the ATC bears some of the blame. He didn't give clear instructions and the Spanish didn't want to say that for 2 reasons, one he's still alive two they would have had to pay compensation and they didn't want to do that. You have to remember that Spain and tenerife were at the time very poor countries, I can remember going there around that time and I was shocked to realise how low the wages were
I'd probably put 80% to 90% of the blame on the ATC, and 10% to 20% on the crew.
As far as I can see it was the captains fault he wasn't sure about what the air traffic control had told him to do but even so he didn't call back and ask them to repeat what they said. This I can't understand if you are not sure about something you check so why wouldn't he when so many lives including his own were depending on him. Right at the start they said the captain was an experienced pilot and he had been to this airport over 50 times so he knew that they had mountain's and where they were, if he didn't then I wouldn't call him a very good pilot. So why didn't he open his mouth all those lives could have been saved if he had done
Interesting how half the comments on here mainly blame the captain, the other half mainly blame the ATC.
If the instruction from ATC seemed odd and "mystified" the crew, the pilots should have questioned it formally to the tower (not only amongst themselves) and asked for clarification. Clearly ATC wasn't on the ball that day, and not focused on monitoring aircraft activity as he should have been. A very tragic event that could have been prevented.
Planes should have VFR moving maps
I remember this crash my sister and her partner should have been on board he worked for Dan air and could get cheap flights but as they could not sit together they decided to travel elsewhere me and my family thought they were on board and my mother was distraught l had the task of speaking to the emergency team set up to handle enquiries thank the Lord they made that last minute descion and respect to the victims of this tragedy.
I remember this very well too.....my uncles brother sisters mother was flying the plane that day......i remember him telling me about it
Darth Scouser-setting aside the obvious sarcasm, I actually figured out that the fictional pilot would have been your "grandmother." 🤣
From what I see, spanish controller is responsible for the crash.
I flew on this plane the night before from Italy to Gatwick The crew said they were going to Manchester for a flight to Tenerife the following day and we joked that they could take us with them as we were going to West Yorkshire.
Five thousand million pounds? What is that in USD?
You need to convert in to dollars and then use an inflation calculator to see what it would be today.
Damn spaniards as always lies
Whether it was turn or turns to the left I don't understand why the Air Traffic Controller made this statement.
What he should have said was "the holding pattern will be anti-clockwise", which is counter-clockwise for Americans. But someone with limited English was unlikely to say that.
I believe that it was the air controllers main responsibility because he's THE ONE who knows his native surroundings or supposed to. Regardless now what the report said I do believe that the controller is living with HIS fatal mistake and that really can be punishment in itself. I do feel that he should've been held responsible but in a way he is if he has any kind of moral compass.
I went twice with Dan Air in 1982
It's the ATC's fault this crash occurred, just because every comment left under this vid for the last 7 years has said otherwise...
I'd say it's 90% the ATC's fault.
The only other upload I've yet seen for this superb investigative documentary is cut way short as was this and yet I don't see any comments to that effect and can't find any indication of this being a multipart nor can I find any follow on parts so am I going mad or missing something (other than the rest of this doccie)? I just want to watch the full investigation :( this is a fascinating study given that it happened at the infamous and deadly Tenerife and to one of the most criticized airlines of the time involving one of my favorite aircraft of all time...
All 4 parts of this video are on the same channel. Just click on the channel page and then the videos page and all 4 of them are there. It's a bit confusing because the uploader has used exactly the same title for all 4 videos, instead of labelling them "part one", "part two", etc.
As we know Tennerife and her poor visibility, ATC and an overeager Dutch pilot, also very much the omission of a single word caused another fatal crash which was to this day the world's worst-ever air disaster... thankfully the airport has long since been closed. RIP to the victims of 1008 and the many others who perished at Tenerife in her relatively short history as an international airport.
Tenerife Norte is still fully operational. It was never closed and moves around 4 million passengers.
@@frajalo Well of course it's very safe once everyone has GPS and radar. It was a stupid place to put an airport when people didn't have GPS and radar.
I saw that in that times Tenerife Airport was the worst of the world 3 crashes in 8 years(1972,1977 and 1980).So that was probably a bad idea to visit Tenerife in that times because it would happen aguan.
It was a bad idea because they put the airport in a very bad position, next to a mountain and where there was often fog. As soon as they built the new airport in 1978 it was okay. This flight was going to the old airport.
RIP Bill. I also remember a whole family, including children, from a local north Wales town that were wiped out that day.
Tragic. How have the past 4 years been to you and yours?