Am I the only one that thinks they should just revert arcane back to 11.0 status and just fiddle with numbers from there? Mage is looking worse and worse the more they try to "fix" it.
At this point they should just revert everything they've done to arcane up until the double-dipping removal and then just call it a day & rework him again next patch xd This is getting more and more unsavable with every change hahaha
Blizz does not hate Frost mage, they just feel apathy to it. They don't care, they only care when it gets too degenerate for their liking, it's incredible, at this point you gotta respect the commitment to not care about the spec at all.
@@christmasham4312 Idk, I think the aesthetic is awesome. And when you're cleaving with missiles or getting barrages and orbs one after another, it's very satisfying. Unfortunately it just sucks compared to the CoC combo
@@doctorferdinand1003 I know I stuck with arcane for awhile… fighting to be mid dps in my raid/m+ finally had enough, switch to frost now I am top dmg in both but I am an arcane player forever 🥲
@ yeahhh in my M+ group im always far ahead as frostfire, and it just feels fluid to play. Plus the roots and slows are very useful. Arcane just brings nothing except a touch of the magi burst window lol
I feel this lol. I have stuck with Arcane all season long and I personally still really enjoy it as Spellslinger. Not as fun as it was in the beginning of TWW but I'm just a big fan of the spec so I have rolled with the punches Blizz keeps throwing. However, with NP not buffing barrage now I just don't see how in the world we are supposed to do any damage in aoe in comparison to some of the toolkits of other specs. Having to cast Arcane Blast on big AOE pulls just feels like the absolute worst and I can't believe that they are doubling down on this.
Hey Manather, thanks for the video. Always look forward to hearing your thoughts on the changes. I'll be playing frost next patch. Hopefully wintertide gets some more attention!
Honestly arcane aoe will always be clunky if they don't uncap barrage by at least 8 , having Ur base aoe ability being capped at 5 is brutal , but aside that they really fucked ss for arcane , I hope they buff SF so we at least can play like we used it before av
16:15 I hope this stays. I hate how boring frost mage stats are currently, I want to look at a piece of gear and determine if it's good or bad based on stats, and not having to sim every single item in the game.
Bro wtf are these devs thinking. We already weren't the best at single target and hardly mid in AOE. Now we stay about the same on single target and absolutely wrecked us in aoe. Idk if I have ever seen a spec go from being the best iteration of the spec that I have ever played to just turning into a complete mess that the devs have just completely dismantled. It's beyond frustrating
That tier set looks dumb. Really feel like it’s a shaman set. I lean more towards mage being wizards. And love the amirdrassil tier set. I guess it’s more of a “witch” look but I digress. lol
bring back rop for arcane and revert every tww change. It feels like there is 3 different "visions" what they wanna do with arcane which shows in the double dibbing fiasco and all this revert bullshit
For PVE I just roll whatever one is rotationally sound/ lets me get the most damage. Lore wise. I like fire mage most. Arcane second. But I’ve been frost lately obviously. But for PVP I’m having to go frost because good god do you get so much slow from it. Melee just rather attack someone else
well yeah. bliz destroyed arcane a while back after it was super hard meta at the start of The War Within. it will be neglected and kept artificially weak for the remainder of the expansion. and if somehow it ends up good again, consider it an accident, and expect Blizzard to nerf hammer it right back into the ground. how do I know to predict this? because I've been an Arcane Mage main since The Burning Crusade in 2007... I did miss two expansions due to being in graduate school, but yea, the entirety of Arcane's lifespan it's been a meme spec. And somehow I keep playing it. Cuz I hate myself, I think.
Why do they keep trying to make frost mages about combo points and three billion stacking debuffs and procs... I just want my regular attacks to hit hard like they used to...
Am I the only one that thinks they should just revert arcane back to 11.0 status and just fiddle with numbers from there? Mage is looking worse and worse the more they try to "fix" it.
100%, just let it be as it was. Same with fire
@@eugenesternin6039 fire needs to be fixed
At this point they should just revert everything they've done to arcane up until the double-dipping removal and then just call it a day & rework him again next patch xd
This is getting more and more unsavable with every change hahaha
Blizz does not hate Frost mage, they just feel apathy to it. They don't care, they only care when it gets too degenerate for their liking, it's incredible, at this point you gotta respect the commitment to not care about the spec at all.
I just want the arcane dream to work so bad. But why would I play it when I can go play frost and do 25% more damage and feel way smoother doing it
Only time arcane feels good is big burst with 40 stacks of spymasters 😅
@@christmasham4312 Idk, I think the aesthetic is awesome. And when you're cleaving with missiles or getting barrages and orbs one after another, it's very satisfying. Unfortunately it just sucks compared to the CoC combo
@@doctorferdinand1003 I know I stuck with arcane for awhile… fighting to be mid dps in my raid/m+ finally had enough, switch to frost now I am top dmg in both but I am an arcane player forever 🥲
@ yeahhh in my M+ group im always far ahead as frostfire, and it just feels fluid to play. Plus the roots and slows are very useful. Arcane just brings nothing except a touch of the magi burst window lol
I feel this lol. I have stuck with Arcane all season long and I personally still really enjoy it as Spellslinger. Not as fun as it was in the beginning of TWW but I'm just a big fan of the spec so I have rolled with the punches Blizz keeps throwing. However, with NP not buffing barrage now I just don't see how in the world we are supposed to do any damage in aoe in comparison to some of the toolkits of other specs. Having to cast Arcane Blast on big AOE pulls just feels like the absolute worst and I can't believe that they are doubling down on this.
Hey Manather, thanks for the video. Always look forward to hearing your thoughts on the changes. I'll be playing frost next patch. Hopefully wintertide gets some more attention!
Honestly arcane aoe will always be clunky if they don't uncap barrage by at least 8 , having Ur base aoe ability being capped at 5 is brutal , but aside that they really fucked ss for arcane , I hope they buff SF so we at least can play like we used it before av
16:15 I hope this stays. I hate how boring frost mage stats are currently, I want to look at a piece of gear and determine if it's good or bad based on stats, and not having to sim every single item in the game.
Thanks for the video as always.
Still feels like the dev doesn't play mage but idk, I don't wanna feel that way, seems like it has to be true still tho
yeah, they didn't even log in for 10 seconds to test the new Wintertide. The dev note confirms this, zero awareness.
Bro wtf are these devs thinking. We already weren't the best at single target and hardly mid in AOE. Now we stay about the same on single target and absolutely wrecked us in aoe. Idk if I have ever seen a spec go from being the best iteration of the spec that I have ever played to just turning into a complete mess that the devs have just completely dismantled. It's beyond frustrating
That tier set looks dumb. Really feel like it’s a shaman set. I lean more towards mage being wizards. And love the amirdrassil tier set. I guess it’s more of a “witch” look but I digress. lol
Very fair, I am a shaman enjoyer, just looking forward to it for the ice transmogs
bring back rop for arcane and revert every tww change. It feels like there is 3 different "visions" what they wanna do with arcane which shows in the double dibbing fiasco and all this revert bullshit
What google chrome theme do you use? 😂
Its actually firefox, just the first one that popped up when i initially installed it lol
Time to quit arcane for real.... Back to frost we go! lol
Ty for the video!
For PVE I just roll whatever one is rotationally sound/ lets me get the most damage. Lore wise. I like fire mage most. Arcane second. But I’ve been frost lately obviously. But for PVP I’m having to go frost because good god do you get so much slow from it. Melee just rather attack someone else
Why couldn't they just bring back season 3 df tier set is beyond me.
A boring damage % amplification buff? Come on ...
To me just frost can exist and it would be fine. Just give us more talents.. feels like playing with a calculator lol
well yeah. bliz destroyed arcane a while back after it was super hard meta at the start of The War Within. it will be neglected and kept artificially weak for the remainder of the expansion. and if somehow it ends up good again, consider it an accident, and expect Blizzard to nerf hammer it right back into the ground. how do I know to predict this? because I've been an Arcane Mage main since The Burning Crusade in 2007... I did miss two expansions due to being in graduate school, but yea, the entirety of Arcane's lifespan it's been a meme spec. And somehow I keep playing it. Cuz I hate myself, I think.
Not looking good atm
Why do they keep trying to make frost mages about combo points and three billion stacking debuffs and procs... I just want my regular attacks to hit hard like they used to...
if fire is good, does it even matter
Design wise, yes. Strength doesnt matter, we will always be viable/competitive enough.