Evangelical pastor perfectly refutes MAGA Christianity!
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- During a discussion with Pastor David Johnson about Tim Alberta's book The Kingdom, the Power, and the Glory, I asked him how Christian leaders can push back on the constant messages their listeners are hearing that link the MAGA movement to Christianity.
His answer: stick to the biblical text. His example turned into an epic rant that got right to the heart of the issue. Every Christian should hear this message.
I would rather stand with God and be judged by Trump than stand with Trump and be judged by God.
Amen
You're standing with biden, and he is the same man who supports woke ideologies and abortion.
My feelings exactly, and I say this as both a Christian and a Republican (yes Hillary, it's possible to be both).
@@hotwax9376No its not possible. There is no love for others when you are a republican.
@@sharonmedeiros9819 Absolutely there IS, especially since most Republicans are committed Christians who believe in loving others as Christ loves us.
American evangelical Christianity has been sick for a long time now. But these days it’s downright disgusting.
White Evangelicals.
@@LisaLisa-qo8gtMatt 7:16 " you will know them by their fruits ".
Right wing/conservativism has been a pox on humanity for centuries. Mixed with an authoritarian religion like Christianity, Islam etc makes it doubly so.
Perhaps the light of the gospel grows dim and they forget the good news that we all can participate in making the world a better place with our hearts open to the source of all life and all being, in loving our neighbor, our friends and extending goodwill, justice and mercy even to the enemy.
@@dianabenobo John 18:36
King James Version
36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.
Our responsibility is to follow Christ and the scriptures. It's not to make this world a better place but to share the scriptures of the gospel. By following the scriptures we will lead a quiet godly life.1 Thessalonians 4:11-12
New International Version
11 and to make it your ambition to lead a quiet life: You should mind your own business and work with your hands, just as we told you, 12 so that your daily life may win the respect of outsiders and so that you will not be dependent on anybody.
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To the church of my youth,
What the hell did you expect me to do?
You told me to love my neighbors, to model the life of Jesus. To be kind and considerate, and to stand up for the bullied.
You told me to love people, consider others as more important than myself.
You taught me to sing "red and yellow, black and white, they are precious in His sight."
We sang it together, pressing the volume pedal and leaning our hearts into the chorus. You said that “He loved all the children of the world”.
You told me to love my enemies, to even do good to those who wish for bad things. You told me to never "hate" anyone and to always find ways to encourage people.
You told me it's better to give than receive, to be last instead of first. To help the poor, the widow, the stranger at the gate.
You told me that Jesus looks at what I do for the least-of-these as the true depth of my faith. You told me to focus on my own sin and not to judge. You told me to be accepting and forgiving.
So I paid attention.
I took in every lesson.
And I did what you told me.
But now, you call me a libtard. A queer-lover. You call me "woke." A backslider.
You call me a heretic. You make fun of my heart. You mock the people I’m trying to help.
You say I’m a child of the devil.
You call me soft. A snowflake. A socialist. You shun the very people you told me to help.
What the hell did you expect me to do?
I thought you were serious, but apparently not.
You hate nearly all the people I love. You stand against nearly all the things I stand for. I'm trying to see a way forward, but it's hard when I survey all the hurt, harm, and darkness that comes in the wake of your beliefs and presence.
What the hell did you expect me to do?
I believed it all the way.
I'm still believing it all the way.
Which leaves me wondering, what happened to you?
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Bravo! Well said and reflects my beliefs ecactly!
GOOD WORDS!
This! This is what I’ve been thinking but couldn’t articulate it nearly as effectively and in such a heartfelt way as you have. Thank you.
The type of Christians that believe in love are still out there. Look to denominations like Episcopalian, Presbyterian, and Lutheran (ELCA Lutheran, NOT Missouri Synod Lutheran). All of those denominations are very progressive overall, though of course that doesn't necessarily mean every church in those denominations is progressive, especially in a more conservative area.
@@Trip_Fontaine I agree there are some (non-fundamentalist) churches out there that are more progressive and accepting of all people. But, also as you said, there are progressive denominations out there that are in conservative areas that are not progressive. I grew up in the United Church of Christ (UCC), which was the first mainline denomination to ordain an openly gay person into the ministry, way back in 1972. However, the UCC church I grew up in is in a very small community in Missouri and now 50 years later are still not at all progressive.
God is not political! There's no such thing as maga Christianity! You either walk with God or trump! I will always walk with God!
Absolutely
Amen 😊
Mark 12:17 says, "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's and to God the things that are God's." This is why He is NOT political. There is a clear separation between God and the "state". Good point.
@@kagadaza07 God only cares about repentance and our hearts and to follow his commandments and living the life he meant for us. God bless you and your family and I hope you have a blessed day
Amen
Anyone who stands behind a pulpit preaching hate for his fellow man is not teaching Christ's word. It's as simple as that.
Teaching the facts about a person's evil lifestyle isn't hatred. It's actually warning people about the person and protecting them from deception and tyranny. Trump loves chaos and anarchy but never served the nation as a president should have.
Anyone who has the mark of the beast in the hand/smartphones, shouldnt comment on scripture!
Religion is hate...
I’m prettty sure a maga hat is the mark of the beast 😅
@@ucdwino And judging by that stupid comment, I'm VERY sure you didn't get far in school.
Thank you for calling out the BLASPHEMY!
What blasphemy?
@@TimSpangler-rd6vs Well I've seen instances where MAGA people had built a Cross with Trump, not Jesus on it, how about THAT?
@@randy_cbc8811 I've seen Catholics do some strange things...but I dont put too much weight on anecdotal experience
@@TimSpangler-rd6vs The golden Trump at cpac, pretty blasphemous to me.
@@arsonistictarantula3036 and you actually think that is mainstream?
We're not the tribe of the elephant or the donkey but of the Lamb. Wake up brothers and sisters!
Smartphones are the mark of the beast.
@@timeckenrode2710 IPhones logo is a bitten apple…sound familiar?
I am awake - and I will not be voting for Joseph Robinette Biden.
@@B-and-O-Operator-Fairmontwake you are but blind
@@scottishroad_pinoy9084 So I take it you are just staying home on election day?
That’s the reason I stopped listening to many pastors I thought were great Christians . I am still in disbelief seeing them endorsed Donald Trump . There is no excuse because they know the truth. It’s outrageous!
That was a very sad reality for me. It’s like I watched all my heroes fail because they wanted what trump had to offer. I couldn’t believe it.
@@unc1589the falling away.
Wolves in sheep's clothing
I think Billy Graham, would be rolling in his grave about his son, Franklin and his outspoken support of Trump. I lost all respect for Franklin with this. It saddens me to see so many Christians are sucked into the republican party
There are some pastors/Christian leaders who still speak the truth.
History repeats itself, the pharassies of Jesus' time are the evangelicals of today!
Saducees. Not pharocees. Historical fact
From where I stand they are a bit of both:
Sadducees were priests involved with the Temple, its festivals, and its sacrifices.
Pharisees were a separatist group, homogenous in belief and practice.
AMEN🙏🙏🙏
The Pharasees of today are ALSO the Current GOP, Do NOT Forget THAT!!! Its ALL about POWER!!!!
My God!! You are so right!! It is time the evangelicals wake up!
I think it's coming to the point that people must choose whom they will serve. No one can serve both God and MAGA.
That's absolutely correct. The first bricks for this road to perdition were laid down in the early 1980s. To his supreme credit Billy Graham recognized it (perhaps partially due to the fact that Richard Nixon abused their relationship and Graham was made wiser by the experience), and began to call out the marriage between the church and right leaning politics. (Read his quotes from Parade Magazine in February 1981). It is unfortunate that although he recognized the problem, he didn't school his son on it, who is a 100% dyed-in-the-wool MAGA nut. These philosophies are NOT compatible. (Mark 7:6-7, Matthew 22:37-38, Matthew 6:24, Colossians 3:5). Indeed, if you go far enough into MAGA land thinking, you're not even a Christian any more, really.
Every man and woman is going to be forced to choose. Is your lord Jesus, or is your lord some politician? There is no culture warfare issue that is worth losing your soul over. I fear far too many have already been lost because they were seduced by a lust for control and retribution. That option was never open to you. Jesus made it clear how he expected evangelism to work: Matthew 10:16. You cannot really evangelize if you have hate in your heart for your fellow man.
Same with the Constitution or Trump.
Check out the American Solidarity Party.
@@timtrewyn453well unfortunately it will take years, possibly decades, for an upstart party to take hold. Too bad, cause rumpism needs to go as soon as possible.
@@Amick44 It's an option for a certain small bandwidth of consciences. Few of us imagine anything beyond local office, but many of us see a chance to tip the current tension and the Republican Party back toward domestic peace.
I am a retired Episcopal Priest. Brother, you are reading the same Bible I'm reading. Thank you.
Ur whats wrong with it! U cant retire from this life. Clown!
Smartphones are the mark of the beast!
I left the left wing Episcopal Church years ago when I became born again!
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If you were baptized as an infant in the episcopal church then you were already born again. If you joined a conservative church then you just left one church for another. If you follow God and Truth, I don’t care which church you go to. If you chose a church bc of politics instead of faith, then I pray you find Truth and God.
I'm an atheist and I know what was wrong with that. Even as an atheist I find myself offended by the gross misrepresentation and appropriation for political purposes of Christianity.
Yes, I saw a window sticker on a house: "Dear Jesus, please save us from Your followers." We Christians need to be deeply sorry for our sins against "the least of these" and our misinterpretaion of scripture into Christian nationalism. We need to see sin for what it is: deeply offensive to God, choosing the way of Barabbas instead of the Way of Jesus, the Holy One of God, the Judge of all humankind.
I have an atheist friend who knows the Bible better than most self-proclaimed Christians. That's a sad statement for me to make.
It’s not Jesus fault his followers choose the wrong path. He still loves you
@@ucdwino Personally I don't believe Jesus existed at all. Not even as just a charlatan huckster. I believe he is a myth the same way Hercules is a myth. The complete lack of any contemporary records or noting of him doesn't offer any evidence of his existence independent of the Bible.
I do want people to be happy and have fulfilling lives and if being devoutly Christian helps them, then I am happy for them.
Obviously culturally speaking, being born in and growing up in America, I have a lot of Christian influence, some of which I enjoy quote a bit.
I am just not on board with forcing anybody, so long as they aren't doing any harm, to follow religious laws or restrictions, Sharia, Christian, Hindu or other. If someone wants to live within those strictures that is their choice, but ethically they cannot impose them on others.
Christ never taught anyone to be a plagerist of his. He taught to live by his teachings, which is not a Jesus club.@@bernadettematera-stacey1982
Thank you for speaking the truth about Trump and his MAGA followers. I'm so glad some pastors and leaders--although very few--are telling/warning their listening audience that the things of God should not be politicized. Too many evangelicals are upholding Trump as some type of Christian "savior" of America. Politics and Patriotism seems to be the house of sand they have built their house upon instead of on the solid Rock.
Those of us in churches decidedly not MAGA don’t usually call out political leaders so (typical Trump gotcha) we, who oppose him, don’t criticize him directly while those who support him support him directly.
If you can't see the sand crumbling and losing the foundation then maybe you should seek harder and pray for eyes to see and ears to hear! Seek ye first the Kingdom and all things will come about. Again I will remind you that the governments will be on his shoulders! What part would you like to omit this time?
Trump thinks religion is good because he has learned how to use it for his own ends.
Maga=Cult
When people are crying nationalism and religion at the top of their lungs, I am fain to question their motives and the quality of their hearts. Emerson.
This sermon goes farther in explaining *both* the support for Barabbas, and support for Trump, than anything I've heard in church or in the media.
Years ago I prayed for discernment. I pray for the armor of God before meeting known trump supporters. They label me as “one of those” (liberals). Just doing the best I can.
This is a good comparison, except I would also compare it to in 1 Samuel when the people of Israel demand a king and God gives them Saul as a concession to expose their moral weaknesses. As He said Himself, they were rejecting Him as their king, and conservative evangelical Christians that blindly support Donald Trump are doing the EXACT same thing.
Well for curious reason Nazi Germany was an overwhelmingly Christian nation. Protestants were over-represented in the Nazi Party's membership and electorate. "Storm Troopers of Jesus Christ" believed Hitler was an instrument of God.
Absolutely 💯 Agree
God gave them what asked for!
If Trump is a true Christian, then I am a true Klingon.
😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🙏🙏🙏
What exactly is a true Christian? And do all Christians agree on this?
@ron88303 As an atheist myself, it pains me to admit that Donald Trump is almost certainly an atheist. He has never read the Bible. He doesn't know a single Bible verse. He has never asked for forgiveness. He went to a non-funeral church service twice as president. One time, he almost threw his offering in the communion plate. Then there was the Two Corinthians thing. He knows less about Christianity and the Bible than any atheist that I have ever met.
Well… do you “identify” as Klingon. Because that is how we can accept the first idea.
Thus, you are a true warrior standing for honor, and not these weak spineless man standing behind a convicted felon child man who at this point has trouble stringing together a few sentences. His Republican group of insecure cowardly MAGA congresspeople standing behind him as he bullies them into compliance.
I left the MAGA Evangelist church and found a true church. Jesus is love. Jesus is forgiveness. Jesus is not Barabus.
And Biden is not Jesus !
What evangelicals clearly omit when claiming that sinners need to be forgiven since we're all sinners, thus giving Trump a free pass for his crimes and sins, is that for divine forgiveness the sinner needs to feel sincere remorse (for each of his sins, not for getting caught for those) and be devoted to repent and make ammends for the rest of his life while never sinning again. I was taught that the Lord truly wants to forgive us all, but that He'd still won't without remorse and repentance.
Trump has no morals, so feels no guilt, no regrets (except regarding outcomes), no remorse, no need to repent and make amends and definitely no intention to never commit any sins again.
Trump is the exemplary unforgiveable sinner.
He commits the greatest sin he loves another god more than the one true god and that God he loves is himself,
"Repent and live a better life" has been replaced by "Jesus shall wash away all your sins by faith alone". Indeed, some believe that acting to show repentance is a sin for it shows a lack of faith in the power of Jesus.
@@brushdogartThank you. But this seems too easy almost lazy as a christian teaching. I cannot believe true evangelicals'd really believe that faith alone can be enough to have Christ wash away our sins on Judgenment Day. Not without sincere remorse and a lifetime of atonement. Redemption still has to be earned.
As I was taught, faith alone cannot is not and must not be enough. Even just being a good person wouldn't be enough. It has to be (at least) both. Which is preciaely why evangelicals are always on their evangelical mission: saving good persons by having them embrace christianity. Trying to be a good christian person, I experienced as hard work, every day. Because we have to atone for our sins for the rest of our lives. Jesus Christ died to wash away from our shoulders the burden of the sins from our forefathers, making us accountable only for our own sins, but accountable we remain, still continuously risking eternal damnation instead of eternal bliss.
Not exactly. We're expected to forgive--even if the others don't repent. It's not about them.
Forgiveness also doesn't remove the consequences of our actions. Jesus told us to obey the laws of whatever land we're in.
Trump doesn't display ANY of the fruits of the spirit.
Hypocrisy is saying that God loves a sinner.
Trump had a brother Robert who was Fred Trump's favorite. Robert wanted to be an airline pilot, which he became TWA. Fred Trump tormented the man for his chosen profession, Robert became an alcoholic, and died in his early 40s.
Robert had a son, and a daughter Mary, after the passing of Robert, Donald tried to get Mary to sign her share of the family money to him, Mary was 10 years old. Mary's brother suffers from cerebral palsy, while running for president in 2016, Trump mocked a reporter suffering from the same condition (remember?) it was disgusting.
The source for this information is "The Making of Donald Trump" by David Cay Johnston Pulitzer prize winning investigative reporter. The book can be found second hand very inexpensively on line, I strongly recommend it. Trump a highly litigious guy, has never challenged Cay Johnston 's information.
So, Donald Trump was Fred Trump's Tiffany? I'd almost feel sorry for Donald, but for his vile character.
I'm NOT a fan of Trump, and while that story about Mary may be true (I have no idea), it isn't actually true that Trump mocked the guy with cerebral palsy. Trump had used that same arm waving mannerism many times prior to that moment to disparage other people who didn't have CP. There was a whole reel showing him doing that mannerism while talking about other people.
@@lorrilewis2178 Regardless, he still mocks handicapped people for no good reason in a no good manner.
@@bosoerjadi2838 He is a strange and unreliable communicator, but I haven't heard him mock handicapped people. Who has he mocked?
@@lorrilewis2178 John McCain. Four months ago. In Newton, Iowa.
Thank God there are finally Evangelicals (pastors) speaking out against the Trump Maga Cult. I left the Evangelical church and my misled Evangelical friends a few years ago. I could not take it anymore
Exact same for me.
Smartphones are the mark of the beast.
Did you hear the new song for Trump? The chosen one
Exactly what happened to me. I couldn’t take the politics and adoration of Trump.
Sadly 95% of the evangelical movement still support him and many worship him and see him as an emissary sent directly by God to help us! When he sold those "Trump" Bibles at a profit to himself I thought I was hallucinating!.
You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free. You shall know them by their love one for another. Not by their hate for others.
Somewhere i heard that Peter or Paul wheeled and dealed with Rome to convert them, absolving them of Jesus’ murder and placing that crime completely on the Jewish religious hierarchy. Hence, Rome got a free pass and embraced christianity. Maybe the preachers here know more about this. I’d love to know more.
@@jeanneratterman I dont think either Peter or Paul "wheeled and dealed" with Rome for anything. Paul was beheaded by the Romans and Peter was crucified by the Romans upside down. Romans persecuted Christians for almost 300 years before Constantine made Christianity the official state religion.
Actually, I'd say their hate for other's shows who they are. Regardless of how they attempt to spin or twist it.
So each is true.
@@Amick44 With respect, Paul and Peter didn't hate each other. They had differeces of opinion about how to treat gentiles and the law, but their's was a theological disagreement, not a personal one (see Galatians 2, 11-14).
Paul also had a sharp disagreement with Barnabas about whether to take Mark with them on one of their trips (see Acts 15). But Paul and Barnabas didn't hate each other either. They just agreed to disagree and went their own ways to perform the Lord's work.
@@DaveGIS123 I'm sorry for the misunderstanding. I was responding to Robert Gregory's comment up top
I was raised Presbyterian but I've been an atheist for a few decades now. What Pastor Dave Johnson says here is absolutely the best answer to the question of, "How can Christians support Donald Trump?" They're choosing Barabbas! The Jews in Jerusalem wanted a strong figure to take on the Romans, but what they got was a meek pious man riding a donkey preaching peace, so they liberated a brute instead. What an insightful take on Palm Sunday, the crucifixion, and their parallels in current events and politics.
The 'American Evangelical Church' has been a stench in God's nostrils for a very, very long time.
My grandfather had a good saying: ‘If god wanted to convert using politics, Jesus would have been born into the family of Caesar not of a poor carpenter’.
Thank you for a note of sanity in this year of so called Christians that haven’t read their Bibles. I was starting to feel so alone, and then I stumbled upon your page today😊
I know at least two people that read their Bibles every day but would never even consider voting for Biden over the man who has openly praised dictators and is more and more clearly advocating to be a dictator and invoking the words and actions of Hitler and the Nazi party. He got Roe v Wade reversed, that's all they really care about.
I don't understand the thinking of MAGA Christians. It's not my job to judge others, but I don't understand how they've arrived at their version of our faith. The Christianity I was brought up with taught me to love God, live a life of simplicity and humbleness, and to serve others joyfully and with love. I can't say that I always achieve that goal, but I'll always try.
I’m a non-believer, but I found this analysis refreshing. My thoughts aren’t meant as criticism, just critique. As an outsider, I wish that people of faith would focus more on showing me how to act rather than telling me how to act. So much current dialogue is about making laws to limit my freedom, instead of inspiring me to use my freedom for good. What I’m surrounded by daily is a barrage of forceful attempts to make me see myself as wrong, so that I’ll be open to revelation. That approach only drives people further away, because it comes off as looking down on a non-believer, rather than listening to them and knowing them. It is not inviting or welcoming. If the biblical god is real, then it seems to me that he sent his son to demonstrate to us how to succeed. The lesson in this story is that choosing Barabbas was the wrong path, and Jesus was literally showing them how to succeed peacefully. That god does not need “USA” to prevail, he just needs us all to simply be good. I don’t think he wants an American caliphate. What I’ve learned over time, though, is that real leadership succeeds by deeds, not speeches. Thank you, gentlemen. I would happily share a beer or iced tea with you any day. I cannot conjure wine, but I’ll share the bottle I have :)
Lord, please have mercy on your people! 🙏 🙏🙏
Good to hear 2 individuals who have engaged their brains and in the process daring to confront the awkward questions we must all face up to.
Praying for every person and family affected by the lies that our former POTUS and the media have spread, all in the name of greed and power. Praying for God's justice for those who are a stumbling block to God's children. Praying for salvation for DJT. Praying for God to grant repentance for Christ followers. 🙏💗
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You're heart and concerns are in the right place!
Chanting USA, USA, "If you don't know what's wrong with that, I don't know what to say"
Thank you, that's exactly what I think,
This is horrifying,
Ronald Reagan - " America is the shining city on a hill ".
President Reagan is our greatest and most successful Christian President !
Since the church started getting in bed with politics in the 1970s church attendance has dropped. I don’t know if there’s a correlation between these or not, but it’s hard to take us as believers seriously when we’re trying to invoke our own brand of sharia law on everyone else.
I tend to believe there is. A correlation. Likely a fairly strong one.
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Thank Jerry Falwell and the moral majority for that. Falwell got pissed that the government didn’t support his segregationist Liberty University. Look at what his kid did in using Liberty University money for real estate scams. Christians were then used to convert Dixiecrats into Republican as part of Nixons southern strategy based on four issues: anti abortion, anti gay rights, no taxes, and small government. The right wing echo chamber pushed this propaganda for decades after. And it worked. The more moderate and liberal churches got shouted down in true Calvinist tradition until the only voices heard were those of the right.
Frank Shaeffer called Falwell the angriest man he ever met, and rejected most leaders of the fundamentalist right especially Robertson, as con men. He would know, he knew them all as the son of Francis Shaeffer. He rejected that whole movement as he grew up and found out who the players were. He does pod casts on this.
As late as 1968, abortion was not a big deal in the evangelical church as 50 evangelical groups got together and said there are times when abortion is appropriate. Read letters written by Billy Graham in his paper Christianity today and the head of the SBC before it got highjacked by the fundamentalist right.
Now, thanks to Falwell and his group, and the Republican MAGA groups, the real Christian msg of Gods love has been lost in the American church and the perception of the church is sinking down. No matter who wins, especially if Trump wins and agenda 2025 succeeds, the outcome will be similar to Europe a hundred years ago, our allies will abandon us if we abandon them and get out of NATO, and Christianity will be as dead as it is in Europe after WW 2.
Well, blatant hypocrisy is not a strong selling point.
Repeat this until it sinks in Christians, it's not the Donkey or the Elephant but the LAMB of God Jesus who saves, redeems and transforms!
Who doesn't know that already??? Who preaches politics in the pulpit??? This stuff is stupid. I do not know any preacher standing up there preaching politics. We preach the Word, we preach Jesus.
You have not visited other churches. Its been going on for decades.
@@jeanneratterman As a pastor, I do not get to visit other Churches. But I sure never preach politics at my Church. I am too busy preaching the Word of God.
@@tspain7355 Good for you but in some other churches it's a cancer.
@@tspain7355 Oh, you preach politics, alright. Maybe you do not take a partisan stance, but you definitely preach politics
Guys I honestly believe we are witnessing the STRONG DELUSION spoken of the scriptures comment on my comment, I'd like to go into detail! Bless you
I'm interested in more detail.
@@yurei8 2 Thessalonians 2:11. A strong delusion to believe a lie. I think this is on to something.
I already knew Christian Nationalism was bad. But now I also understand Jesus’s entry into Jerusalem! Thank you!!! :)
Thankyou for your talk…. It helps to give me some understanding to what is going on… people are still rejecting the Jesus way (looking weak) and choosing the big powerful way ..! Thankyou for the insight! 🇨🇦
So many who call themselves Christians can't see what they read in the Bible, or they say they read it and they don't. I lost a whole Church to Maga. It hurts my soul.
For Christians in America; Trump was a preliminary test before the final exam: the mark of the beast system... sadly, most have failed.
Yes
They have failed miserably. Hell is real.
Hell yes! They wear their worship on their foreheads in the form of the red hat.
It is fascism to tell people how to vote .
People should be able to vote for Trump without any degrading comments .
Yeah, there's a lot of strong similarities between Trump and the Bible's various description of the anti-Christ, tbh. What a shame all these self-proclaimed "good Christians" didn't understand Jesus's teachings enough to protect themselves from being led astray.
For a while I was attending what you might call an evangelical mega church in Florida, but I was really bothered by the fact that they, on the one hand, never in any way acknowledged Pentecost (the anniversary of the founding of the Church), but made a HUGE deal every year out of the Fourth of July, the anniversary of the founding of the USA, with a sermon that rewrote history to suggest that all the founders were evangelical Christians and that the separation of Church and State was somehow an affront to God. I think a disturbingly high percentage of people in this country have their religion and their politics so jumbled up that they've lost all track of where one stops and the other begins, as is now perfectly symbolized by the God Bless America Bible that Trump is selling, with the Constitution, Declaration of Independence, etc., included as if it's part of scripture.
It's a sick civil religion
The separation of church and state is literally from the words of Christ. "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."
Wow, so refreshing to hear a pastor point all this out.
I wrote a letter to the editor of a local paper saying the same thing, "give us Barabbas!"
The way of Barrabas... The way of MAGA.🎉
And Biden is Jesus ?
Discourtesy, disinformation, denial of error, sewing of discord, disorder, destruction and death for political traction should tip us off as to the work of the miscreant even if he regularly wears fine wool suits.
Amazing sermon about the way. May God write it on our hearts.
Great analogy--choosing Barrabas over Christ! I understand that Evangelicals are saying that the meekness of Christ is passe' for our day. What they want is "somone with balls".
Trump has become an idol to the Evangelical community. They are evangelizing for Trump--not for Christ.
And, incidentally, rebuilding the third temple so Christ can come--that's not biblical. Christ said, "This gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the world as a witness unto all nations. And then shall the end come!" He also said His Kingdom "is not of this world". The gospel of trump is not the gospel we should be advocating. We're to share the gospel of Jesus Christ and His love! That is our commission--not to manipulate government so a third temple gets built, so Jesus can come. And certainly not to coerce, or even force, everyone to subscribe to Christian values. (That's the way of the Inquisition of the Catholic church during the dark ages--not God's way).
One correction--there weren't synagogues during David's reign. Not until Judah was exiled to Babylon & the temple was destroyed. That's when synagogues were first built in Babylon as places of worship in lieu of the temple.
Like President Biden I'm a practising Catholic who is embarrassed by the Evangelical Church and how you preach the word of the Lord.
You all need to do more but we do appreciate the difficult job you have ahead..
Unfortunately there are many many Catholic MAGAS amongst us, including priests who preach MAGA nonsense from the pulpit.
Check out the American Solidarity Party.
Excellent lively discussion, gentleman. Thank you.
I also pondered the whole we choose Barabbas to the Trump fiasco, thank you for confirming
Jesus was not political, our kingdom is after life , is glorious eternal life!
It was back in Reagan's time that churches started endorsing Republicans. My sister and her whole family got turned then and now they all support Trump. Their whole church is infected.
@@Tyler-wl8kq True. This guy is nuttier than a Planters factory
So glad I found this channel. I appreciate this discussion.
Thank you for such a great explanation. The Kingdom of God is not MAGA for Trump. Thank you for the Way, the truth, and the life no man comes to the Father except by Jesus.
Thank you pastor for speaking the truth! The truth will set us free from eternal damnation if we follow in the foot steps of Christ. If we follow Him according to His word!
What a great discussion. Thank you for what you do!
"Every time I power over (____fill in the blank), I choose Barrages." Amen. Thank you for declaring this courageous truth.🎉❤
💯 GIVE US BARABAS, THAT'S WHAT THE PEOPLE WANTED!
are u refering to manhatan judge and the percecutor as the world recognised ?
Love love love this conversation that is sooo relevant to today’s culture! I’m a Christian before I’m any political party or idealist, I voted Reagan , Bush , Bush 2, Obama, , Biden, but I’m sickened by churches actually saying politics from the pulpits I’ve heard them , Christ would denounce any political position from the pulpit, Jesus was a forgiving person to the max, Christians today are so judgmental
I agree...and have practiced that for all my adult years. Folks ask what I am--Dem or GOP. I reply my only allegiance is to THE King. I will then vote for whomever I believe will be best for our country. Have gone back n' forth many, many times. My first POTUS election was 1980. Not quite old enuff in 1976 by 11 months...
Church in the West has always been a political weapon, but I'm glad you woke up to it.
And we wonder how people will accept the AntiChrist as their leader......
I fear many "Christians" will hear, "Depart from Me, I never knew you".
We, who are truly born again, realize that we are spiritual beings living in a physical world. This world is not our home. Its leaders are not our messiahs. We are commanded to obey government, since it is ordained of God, but we are not to worship those in charge, and we are not to exalt them to the level of the Almighty.
There are a lot of Apostles, Prophets and Pastors that have spoke against Trump they just are not on a mega platform. We call them the Remnant because they are about the Kingdom of God and not the Kingdom of America aka the religious leaders.
I think God used trump to divide!
“I did not come to bring peace but a sword.”
Not to divide a nation but to separate His own from that which is not.
Pastor Dave said to pastors “you guys, we need to stick with the text!”
That’s the remedy.
When I tell people that the word of God is not like Silly Putty or Mister Potato Head,
they seem to not like it.
They think it’s ok to mold their teaching or preaching into anything they’d like.
The real hard sermons are coming though!
Pastor Dave kinda touched on it.
Many will fall away because of the “hard saying.”
Like they did with Jesus.
And that’s the whole Americanism vs biblical Christianity sermon.
That’s gonna sting.
It’s the allegiance of Americanism over Christ that’s causing pastors and lay people to fail.
There are people we call Christians who never were.
They’re simply Americans.
Practicing the religion of Americanism.
When it’s a choice between USA and Christ, Christ can take a hike!
God sent trump to expose that and boy did it work.
Trump has divided our entire country. How can people vote for a liar???
Wow! You are Christian’s who get it. I wish every Christian would hear this message. You not only hit the nail on the head, you drove it deep into our hearts.
Great video. You're a 100% correct regarding Jesus riding in on the colt. It was a humble entrance that was not of a political "strong man." And I would add, this is one of the things that angered and disappointed Judas. Why? He was a Judean and didn't understand many of the things Jesus said and did. Why? Jesus was a Galilean who was Jewish by faith and used different figures of speech and wasn't politically minded in the way Judeans expected the Messiah to be. Granted, everyone was thinking of a political Messiah king as was taught would be the case. But Jesus was a Spiritual Messiah who thought on a universal level that was all-inclusive. None of Jesus followers understood this until after he died.
The modern MAGA fundamentalists definitely picked a modern day Barabbas.
Man! What a powerful examination of both MAGA force/hate and Jesus’ approach with love. They, the Israelites, chose hate, rather than love, to accomplish what they thought was important. Both what Trump (MAGA) wants and how they want to achieve it, goes against what we think of as Christianity.
Well said.
This was a real eye opener. I have been thinking about the same thing! Thank you for this video!
This is great and deserves more "likes." That said, popularity does not reflect truth. The choice for Barabbas underscores as much. Some will do anything to bar Abba and his Way from their hearts and minds.
...For a win and power, their way as opposed to God's way. That was a pretty good video
"Cuz I won't live and die for the power they seek!" -"Jesus Freak" by dcTalk@@garretthoefer3989
Saying what many of us were thinking. Trump the Barabbas of our time because people don't want to work on themselves. Trump symbolizes the neo-pagan pseudo Christian, Christian in Name Only, can live my life anyway I want, and I don't need to be forgiven...teenage wasteland forever.
@@xenoikosakaxenia904and if you dare attempt to hold me accountable for crimes, political illegalities and the like, I'll come at you as though you are the evil one.
Remember that Christianity became The State Religion of Rome, Rome a Conquesting Power!
Rome was a conquesting power long before the time of Jesus
Wow!
Great stuff! This is a breath of fresh air.
How refreshing to hear such learned analysis.
Forgot the 6 bankruptcies and the thousands of ruined contractors that he either paid only a portion of what was agreed, or nothing at all.
Very insightful, thank you. It is well past the day for many as Jesus spoke, "I never knew you".
Countries have their national churches and its a part of their identity. People go to church, catholic or orthodox or protestant and go through the motions but they are not real believers. It just something they do. And so it is in America, except "evangelicalism" is their national religion. Religion then serves not as the Kingdom of God but as a national thing that establishes your nationalism. One of distinguishing aspects of American religion is dispensationalism which has direct impact on US middle east policy. It is used for wars.
Excellent video! Thank You!
Every time I see a video of a pastor talking politics to their congregation, much less telling them to vote for Trump, it makes me wish that church would start paying taxes. It’s only fair if the want to play the politics game.
Oh my gosh! I've been saying this about them choosing Barabas for so long! Was thrilled to see this video! Thank you!
What struck me by the Barabbas scene is the fact that many Jews in the Second Temple period likely would pray the Shema Israel in the morning when they wake and in the evening before bed, which to my understanding is reinforcing through their prayers that the God of Abraham is the One God AND is King--not just over Israel, but the world. I personally think these practices contributed to their recalcitrance to ANY assimilation into Rome or any other power (I'm sure I'm not the first to suggest this). What I find most devastating about the Barabbas scene is that it effectively ends with Jesus' fellow Jews, maybe some of whom have been praying/acknowledging the God of Abraham as King then declare we have no "King but Caesar." I fear many of my evangelical brethren have adopted a similar view now--they have no king but Trump.
I voted for Trump last time but then I started paying attention and, as a Christian, I started realizing people are worshiping him. I can no longer vote for Trump. I also noticed that the messiah the Jewish people were looking for was one who would vanquished them from Roman rule. They didn't recognize the messiah for who he is. Now we (well some) know the messiah but want, instead, a messiah that will "save " our worldly comforts. The Bible says if the end times to fear not for these things must come to pass and to LOOK UP in these times. I noticed that Maga followers are ruled by fear of losing this country and worldly goods. Instead of looking up and understanding that these things must come to pass, they give in to this fear, fight what is to come, and keep their eyes on worldly affairs. We can not serve two God's. Either we will love the one and hate the other. I've also noticed that those who follow Maga rarely truly know Biblical prophecy or most of the Bible as it is. They, instead, want to hear words of comfort from false prophets and false apostles. Words that make them "feel the spirit moving". If they don't feel things then the spirit isn't moving.... it's all run on human emotions and fears. Politicians know how to manipulate those things and control people. As much as I try to tell my friends, family, and church members this, it goes in one ear and out the other at bedtime. At worse, it truly makes them angry at me! I'm only telling them what the word of God says about listening to false prophets...
The people who really need to hear this are not listening....
Right. It may make us feel better at least for a while. But as is often the case, they are preaching to the choir here. Peace.
This is deep! I have realized that the reason Jesus in the Lamb of God, gentle and vulnerable, kind, and forgiving, meek and lowly, IS THAT THE FATHER IS ALSO A LAMB! Does that shock you? It shouldn’t. Jesus did say “He who sees me sees the Father.” BOTH are lamb-like, .kind and gentle, loving and forgiving, approachable, taking no offense. Recently, a doe was hit by a car in front of our house. Two days later, a VERY young faun stumbled into our back yard, and gently walked up to my wife, who was kneeling down on one knee, speaking quietly to the faun, ALLOWING MY WIFE TO PET IT ON THE HEAD. It purred a soft cry or two, went back into the woods, and two days later died from lack of its mother’s milk. THAT GENTLENESS, FROM BOTH MY WIFE AND THE FAUN, IS THE WAY OUR FATHER IS! He is gentle, trusting, vulnerable, almost naive, kind, and sweet. If you want a KING like Caesar, King David, or their ilk, Jesus and our Father are not your cup of tea…..and They will not change their stripes to suite you, but you might change your thoughts to suite Them. Lambs hang with lambs.
Very cogent, relevant, transparent, raw conversation about religion and politics.
God is not a politician
And Biden is not God !
Excellent!
Thank you for that honest look at things… brothers in Christ
I don't trust Pastors .. when I continue to hear more about a President then the King of Kings ..
You should listen to the message, then - I think you'd like it.
good slide rule
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Christ will be used by fake Christians to get what they want financially.
Wow! Perfectly encapsulated.
As someone who has lived my whole life in complete opposition to modern American "Christianity," I loved this. So often I have found MAC to be antithetical to most, if not all, of Christ's teachings, especially since the advent of Trumpism. This gives me great hope for a possible restoration of integrity and fellowship among all people.
Just a thought to all those who are believers and find this channel informative: At my viewing, the 3k subscribers and the 3.1k comments (mostly positive) were equally matched...but I was #141 to hit the Like. Likes + Views = placement in algorithm. Help a brother in Christ.
likes plus views plus comments plus sharing and not just to believers what he is saying has relevance to nonbelievers too
Thank you for a fantastic illustration of our present condition.
I grew up in the Church of Christ. I left at 18. If Dave had been the preacher, I might still be attending.
Thank you for this posting. This was a perfect summation of today. The way of Barabas.....I will remember tis lessont and take it to heart.
You cannot serve two masters! You have to choose God or man! The Choice is clear! I go with God!
I love being a liberal democrat because I care for humanity.
Your presentation of the story is outstanding and very close to my understanding of the scriptures, I just wish more people understood it this way , then and now. He is still and always the savior in my mind and of my soul . You explain wonderfully! 🙏
Thank for explaining this issue of Christians supporting Trump. I no longer practice any religion but was raised Catholic. I am also a lapsed philosophy major. I feel close to the power of life that is referred to as God. “Give us Barabbas.” That is it.
Well thank you pastor Johnson. If this was my first time hearing the truth about Israel at the time of Christ. ( It's not, have known it for about fifty years) I might actually have some "faith" that some churches stick to the truth.🤔
Thank you! ✝️ 🙏 🇺🇸
I believe the Lord is using these times to separate good from evil, light from darkness, the precious from the vile! Jesus Christ is Lord, we are for Him or against Him. We are gathering or scattering abroad!
Amen, brother. If a Christian brother or sister doesn't know what's wrong with that, it's clearly spiritual blindness.
You speak the truth Jesus I feel was about peace and love.
The antics of the Christian right wing led me to begin questioning my faith. They aren't the only reason I am no longer a Christian, but observing their shenanigans was where my deconversion started.
So…you are choosing Barabbus? Take a look at Jesus again with new eyes. Just you and him. People will fail you-expect it. But Jesus won’t. I’m not looking for an argument or debate, but just feel like I should tell you this.
@@janszoke I appreciate the thought/concern. I don't know who Barabbus is though.
@@OneTheBlue oops, I meant Barabbas 😆
@@janszoke Meaning the guy that was freed instead of Jesus. I don't feel any connection to Barabbas either. He's just a miscreant who'se been dead for a long time.
I grew up in the church and now there’s almost nothing I despise more than American evangelical “Christianity”
Amen. This needs to be preached.
So , if Trump is Barabus , that means Biden is Jesus .
Are you sure that is what you want preached ?
All the best, guys!