When I left Christianity , I felt like I had been freed from a cult. (I had) 15 years later I am back and in the Basic Saved Package level!!! Its so good!!
This is the first video I saw that gave me a clue that I was a part of a church and network that had many NAR characteristics and beliefs, although they wouldn’t identify as such. I was on vacation, listening to Dawain and thinking, “hang on…that’s what my church does!” Thanks for exposing these false doctrines that are so rampant in the church these days.
Jesus never said, "I feel like God is saying this to me..." "IT IS WRITTEN" The lack of Biblical literacy and discernment is staggering in modern day western televangelicalism! Thank you for all you do Alisa and Dawain
when Jesus said it is written he was always correcting someone, that does not nullify that FACT that God speaks to His people, always has and always will.
I attended an NAR church from 2000, to 2004. They were tied closely to Redding and Bill Johnson. Those 4 years were rough. The amount of manipulation, spiritual abuse, favoritism of some members vs. Cold hearted judgment of others, and the twisting or disregard for scripture, it was all there, and deeply hurtful. We left that church because we were being manipulated to do as we were told, and harshly judged and ostracized when we questioned them. They spoke constantly about being in Relationship with one another, but that only meant that you were IN if you followed them blindly. All questions or hesitancy were judged as disloyal and spiritual blindness. I know that it was the hand of Jesus that led us out of there and I am forever grateful to Him.
Hey thanks for posting. My husband and I had almost the same word for word experience at a NAR church. Needless to say we were not the favored ones 😂 thank you God for that! Rejection and abuse became God’s tools to discipline our butts back to the truth. It’s encouraging to hear I’m not alone.
I had a similar experience with a group of people involved in this movement. Shocked by the anger and rejection I received for asking a question to try to understand.
I recently left a church like this and you are right, these teachings do put a burden on you. I’m so grateful to God that He helped me to see the truth and come out of that deception. It feels like a literal weight has come off of me. It is a very deceptive teaching that seems to be focused on God, but in reality it is focused on self.
How did you finally get out? How long were you in it? My mom has been brainwashed into the NAR and I am constantly arguing with her over this. Can you give any advice as to how I can help her? Should I just leave her alone and stop saying anything?
@@lonewulf1922 I was going to this particular church for 4 years. I never fully felt comfortable at the church, but was taught to “submit to the teaching” and that I was “afraid of what the spirit wanted to do”. So my true beliefs didn’t actually line up with NAR, but I thought that the NAR was correct…if that makes sense. I think it was a process over time to realize and come back to my true beliefs that I had held since I was saved. What helped me a lot was watching a Mike Winger video on TH-cam where he talked about NAR and Word of Faith and these different groups and then contradicted their teachings with biblical truth. Listening to his videos made me realize that my beliefs had always actually lined up with what he was saying, which was also why I never felt comfortable at that church. I honestly think the Lord was helping me to come out of the deception, because I had seen previous videos years before speaking against NAR and I couldn’t receive it, I would just get offended. I would say that you could try to share some resources or videos, but the most important thing is to pray. Pray for wisdom and discernment and that the Lord would open her eyes.
Other helpful teachers are Chris Rosebrough @ Fighting 4 The Faith and Pirate Christian Media, Steve and Paulette Kozar @ The Messed Up Church, and Dan and Robin Long @ Long4Truth, all on TH-cam. And of course, Justin Peters.
@@lonewulf1922 ohh Samuel , dear me have you got a problem. I’m serious you see your mother will honestly think she is being persecuted for her belief . Because she can’t differentiate , and is unaware of the Theological subtleties. It really “Christian Buddhism” and it’s so devious the way it has crept in . Just pray 🙏 that she is released from this Christian Buddhism. People are getting aroused and clapping at songs that are error eg..”Is there an Ancient Anointing rising from the ground . This is Samsara Buddhism and for years they try to smuggle it in . So if you told your mother she had become a Christian Buddhist she would feel offended. There is only one five fold ministry Ephesians 4. Not an extra special one as they intimate . It’s just a resurgence of failed Torontoism. Anything to add to the Gospel as an accoutrement. To get away from the Word. It is man focussed . A Social Gospel to draw Saints away from the word . Presently it is Covering/Safeguarding in order to distract from the Word . A Social Gospel and people are losing their grasp on the Word of God. Just pray and ask the Lord to show you what to do and say.
Hi Alisa, I began listening to your podcast this week, and I’m really enjoying it. I have been a born-again Christian for 48 years. It saddens my heart when I see churches changing in ways that do not agree with true Biblical Christianity. Thank you for addressing some of these issues. Both my husband and I are enjoying listening and learning. Lord bless you as you continue in His Work.
I was in a mega church that had ties to the NAR. They used to call those goosebumps “godbumps”. I have been looking for a new church since leaving the mega church, but I still haven’t found one that actually believes that the Bible means what it says. Update: Still looking
It’s not easy to find one. Find one that stays close to the Bible, that teaches the whole council of God. After years of looking, I’ve found either a solid Baptist church or a Calvary Chapel church. The ones online if you can’t find one that are solid is Jack Hibbs, Barry Stagner, Greg Laurie, or Gary Hamrick. Also Billy Crone “Get A Life” teaches really good studies of religions, cults, and occults. He gets in the weeds on questionable churches and tests them to the Word of God. As an ex-Catholic, I found these studies eye opening. NAR is another false teaching that is destroying many, Billy Crone also does a study on them too.
Two things I am sure of; Number 1: if anyone tells you that a Christian must be poor and sick, he and also satan is lying to you! Number 2: When people call other people "false teachers" you must scrutinize them too! There is normally a snake in the grass! They are trying to brainwash you into believing their own false doctrine by making such statements! They are trying to force their own beliefs onto you! Most people who call others "false preachers" are actually promoting their own false Sickness and Poverty Gospel. Satan hates you and he always wants you to be sick and to live in misery and poverty! Therefore he cunningly uses false teachers in sheep clothing to make TH-cam videos where they call others "false teachers" and they then promote their own demonic false "gospel" of Cessationism! Cessationism is the false Sickness and Poverty Gospel and it is brainwashing millions of people in these last days! Cessationism teaches that "God does not actually want to heal you nor does He want you to be blessed and prosperous!" At it's core, this false Cessationism"gospel" is about sickness and poverty but it masquerades in sheep's clothing by always pointing fingers at others! It teaches that "God only heals a few rare people and only when He feels like it. That is a lie from the pit of Hell. God loves you! It also teaches that It is good to be poor and suffering but to be successful and prosperous is bad! These are also lies from the pit of hell! If anyone spreads this false gospel, he is spreading a lie! Satan is behind the Sickness and Poverty Gospel of Cessationism! Cessationism is the bad news gospel! It is bad news to the poor and it is bad news to the sick! Let me share the real Good News of Jesus Christ with you: Jesus Christ loves you! He wants to save and bless you because God loves you! He died and was whipped and crucified for you! He died to save, heal and to prosper you! 3 John 1:2 Beloved, I wish above all things that you may prosper and be in health, even as your soul prospers. God does not want to see His children suffering in poverty, He wants to prosper them: Psalms 35:27 "Let them shout for joy, and be glad, that favor my righteous cause: yes, let them say continually, Let the LORD be magnified, which has pleasure in the prosperity of his servant." The true Gospel of Jesus Christ brings Good news and God's blessings to the poor and to the lost sinner and also to the sick, it brings healing, joy and peace. God is love and He is a good God! He cares about you and about your loved ones! He wants to save and bless you! Luke 4:18 "The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach the Good News to the poor; he has sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised," God cares about the sinner, the sick and the poor! God loves you!
If your belief system has a hierarchy, RUN. If you’re a Christian and someone is telling you there’s a hierarchy among believers in the eyes of God, RUN. Nothing good has ever come out of placing one person over another in terms of who receives God’s love or blessing or favor more. To the one uplifted, it inflates their arrogance. To the one cast down, it destroys them with despair.
There was hierarchy in the church from day 1. There's hierarchy in the Kingdom of God. There's hierarchy in nature. The question is if the higher-ups are lording over the rest, or serving them in love.
James Trotter do you actually believe that comment by JP is some sort of Wisdom. What would it sound like if you spoke it out loud in the voice of Donald Duck. What would that say about God. Would that be O.K. would that man that God is a duck. Just asking?
This has all the look of the Faith movement - Prosperity stuff. I was bamboozled by this stuff when I was new to the faith. Older Christians were really into it in my Bible study times - therefore, so was I. The Bible, plus a practical lesson about how untrue these beliefs were is what showed me I was on the wrong track. My hubby lost his job in the mid 80s, when I was part of this stuff. I followed the teaching, mustering up the faith they said I needed for hubby to get the job he was interviewing for. He didn’t get it and I was mad at God. I calmed down, after crying and telling God how unfair He was when I followed all the directions and had lots of faith, I figured He should have answered my prayer . A thought crossed my mind, right out of left field that asked - “Well, whose will did you want to be done?” It stopped me in my tracks and I had to say, “well, I guess mine”. I knew what the Lord’s prayer said at least. It was a sorely needed lesson I never forgot after that. God is calling the shots, not me. After going through 8 years of unemployment, hubby going back to school, numerous adventures with God during that time, and seeing He really did know better than me, that He could be trusted and His Word is the road map I need to follow to keep on the right way . Valuable lesson that was worth it all!
This hits so close to home because just about every black church in the inner city of Pittsburgh engages in this false doctrine. Everyone wants to be a bishop, apostle, overseer, what have you. Everyone wants to be told they can prophesy and everyone wants to "receive" a prophesy too. There is no "New Wave"; the Word is SUFFICIENT, Christ is SUFFICIENT! I'm so glad God used Allen Parr to plant the seeds to allow me to be open to the truth and "American Gospel: Christ Alone" reeled me in. I pray for my peers.
Those "chills"/"goosebumps" were a huge stumbling block for me. I genuinely believed that those came from being in God's presence and that whenever I didn't feel them, God wasn't near or I wasn't near Him. I now know that those came because of how excited and euphoric I was after being saved and born again. I mostly felt them in the "Honeymoon Phase" of my Salvation and I still get them now but not as much because nowadays the feeling isn't as much a euphoria for God, it has become more of a mature love and reverence for Him.
Anybody can have chills / goosebumps... it's emotional / physiological / brain chemicals etc. Athiests get the chills/goosebumps. It's not bad, but neither does it mean you're hearing/feeling the divine/God.
Thank you for this podcast. I am a Pastor’s wife and am praying for some of those we know leave to attend a “Bethel “affiliated church. It breaks my heart and they refuse to hear any warnings, given in love. I am sad see them go from a Word centered church to an based NAR church.
I really appreciate Justin Peters and his bluntness 😆 it’s impressive when someone is open to critique and investigates things honestly. Must be a love of the truth 🕊
So good and right on 💯🙌 This is absolute my experience at my last church. Praise God for His Grace and Mercy. I was in bondage and basically had a breakdown. It has taken me 2 years to recover through finding a solid church, Biblical preaching and teaching, Scripture and medical intervention
Hey deb. I’m in the U.K. and had a similar experience.... horrific. So sorry you had to go through this..😐... I’m recovering too, as I had a breakdown trying to summon up being an overcomer and getting off meds( which I actually needed) it was all “ demons “ and the need to get my breakthrough etc etc also needed to “ learn the lesson God was trying to teach me”. Now in a lovely church with solid Bible teaching and people truly care for each other. Blessings and love 💕
Thank you so much, I’m a new believer, and you have helped me so much. I’m so blessed to be involved in a wonderful church, and watching and listening to you have helped me realize I’m in the right place!
David Wilkerson insisted he wasn't a prophet, yet he walked in more holiness power and accuracy than anything we see now. And David was up to his Eyeballs in Scripture. Hmmmmm
When he was talking about the nar prophets coming up with new revelations to get people to forget the old ones that didn't pass it reminds me of Deuteronomy 18:20-22
I am a minister and was 15 years part of a network of a so called apostolic network here in europe under the oversight of one of big names in this new apostolic network . I left them because I could not believe what’s going on there .
After involvement in nar toxicity and being kicked out of two churches for asking for biblical support for their doctrinal positions, I became a Darwinist for two decades because I believed at least science would follow an objective standard. Thank God for reformed theology - now back in the fold.
Since Cancel Culture is real, you might want to head over to Locals, and get your videos uploaded to a dedicated website, that is overseas, like Iceland, Netherlands, Switzerland and some other countries. Because these countries and some companies don't care about US Law and in particular Iceland has laws on the books that help prevents a content creator for being deplatform. I plan to move all my websites and start doing videos again, on a dedicated website. Sure, cost much more money. But it is a nice back up, just in case TH-cam goes full 1984.
I’m a Moderate Pentecostal and I listen a lot to Justin Peters. I’m a practical Cessationist that the office of apostles and prophets have ceased. But I’m a continuationist that the Spiritual gifts have not ceased unless it is practiced biblically.
Thank you for sharing this and for connecting with former NARs. I left one after years of employment and I am so happy to hear that this is being exposed. The curious thing is the "honor culture" which is built in these ministries that require people who may come from nothing to make financial pacts to receive blessings! It is heartbreaking how this system usurps people of everything they have in exchange for false hopes of finances, health, emotional, and other blessings. GBU both and please keep sharing these stories!
The part about the burden to show that you’ve gone up to another spiritual level is real. It was a painful experience to be told by my prophetic leader that I had been in decline for 6 months, while I was 6 months pregnant (clearly increasing, not in decline). It crushed me, it hurt me, and it shared to open my eyes. And to be told when I asked my leader a simple question, “I have discerning of spirits and I know which spirit you are operating from”. Then when I left her group, she distances me because her time is valuable and she only gives a lot of time to the people in her group because they are her responsibility. To go from being in that group to now being on the other side is just ugly. It’s a weird mafia-type thing. Very sad.
Excellent... I think wakeupolive was partially a sincere goal but was a mixture of painting yourself into a corner as a group and at the same time realizing their faith was not actually as high as they professed publicly. I've been raised from the dead, so I know it's real and God still does it. And I have seen God raise one of my cats from the dead. Recognizing narcissism, pride, psychopath etc in oneself as well as in others is definitely a need in our journey. Thanks for sharing, James
Oh so familiar, unfortunately-right down to a young child in our congregation we waited and prayed for two years to "wake up" from the life support he was sustained on. It was heart wrenching. This sort of thing was the regular teaching I spent so many years in. Chuck Pierce was a frequent speaker at our ( old) church, actually, and highly revered. Also Todd Bentley and so many other NAR folks. Thank you for speaking on your experience. People need to know God's truth as found in His Word.
I haven’t been to a NAR congregation or encounter someone in that community but I remember being very cautious when I was in a FB where some people had titles in their names like Apostle. Thank you for speaking up on this. I can see how the NAR mess can bring spiritual abuse to others. As the body of Christ we definitely gotta pick up our Bibles & read the word more often. I know I need to better in reading the word myself too.
Paul said it the best: what I am doing I will continue to do, in order to undermine the claim of those who would like to claim that in their boasted mission they work on the same terms as we do. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds. 2 Corinthians 11
I've always had an amazing love of The Bible since child hood. I grew up loving God but was actually SAVED when I was 18. I started going to my in-laws church which i now know was New Apastolic Reformation and Word of Faith. I got thrown into the deep end of WOF and NAR. Being a baby Christian starting out in the women's "Bible Studies" it struck me as odd that scripture was never used much unless it was to take a single verse out of it's context to "apply it to ourselves" and mostly just a ladies emotional "fun" time with lots of food and snacks; basically just socializing. (After all these women and men in this church are SO spiritual and wize that this is most definitely how things work!) Until my Faith was put in to question by the fact that my severe chronic(also episodic) illnesses were never healed "because if they pray for someone they are ALWAYS healed unless they haven't given a big enough "seed"(money) offering, their faith is too weak, or you aren't even saved at all." Fast forward 8 years later I was in so much utter pain and turmoil from my chronic pain that I felt like if my faith isn't great enough and I'm still suffering in so many ways then I am DEFINITELY not good enough for God and will never be! I backslid so far over a 2 year period of severe drinking, reckless behavior cutting myself because that pain numbed the other turmoil that I was going through mentally and physically; and it almost ended with my death after I could take no more, lost the will to live and my in-laws had to have paramedics rush me to the hospital because my absolutely shattered will to live caused my body to stop functioning properly and I was only taking air into my lungs about 4 to 5 times a minute. I was numb and wanted to just go home to God because even though I felt enadequate in that "religion" I still loved God and just wanted peace and to fall at His feet in awe and reverence. I recovered. I walked away this time from the junk in those "churches" and dove into scripture and studying the truth of all of that evil doctrine and now have joy that only a REAL relationship and love for God's Word can give you. Thank you for getting the message of these doctrines of the devil out for people to see! I pray that others will see videos like this one and feel assured that "THAT" Is NOT Christianity AT ALL and I know first hand because it almost cost me my 10 year marriage and my very life! God bless!✝️💜💜💜
Very similar experience. Glad God has brought you through. I have been out over 8 years now myself and so grateful for this rebuilding process of learning His Biblical truth. May He keep strengthening you in the faith. ❤
HE is Faithful and ❤s you so much. So Sorry you had such suffering but He has taken you under His Wing. Psalm 91 HE ❤️s you with an Everlasting Love. Nothing can separate you from Him. You are Blessed to know The Truth. Prayers your days ahead be full of His Blessings.🕊
The church I left a few years ago was heavily steeped in the teachings of Bethel and hillsong, jesus culture ect... in fact all of the guest speakers at our church and the youth conference they called purpose conference was stemmed from these churches. I ended up there simply because I moved from my home state. And I was trying to find a new church. And I didnt want to be a "church hopper". So I kept going, until I couldn't take it anymore. There was no gospel. It was all self help. And they preached that if you didnt make a lot of money you weren't doing your part for Christ. Once after church I was waiting for my daughter to come out, she was serving in childrens ministry. I overheard a new congregant telling someone who was deep in the church that he was excited because he was a recovering addict and found Christ. The deep in the church guy responded by bragging to this kid who is barely getting it together that he just bought this huge brand new house on the hill. And had room for his big boat and cars ect.... he went on and on about how important it is to have stuff! I was embarrassed for him. And appalled to be honest. But not at all surprised because it's exactly what this church stood on. I felt released in my soul when I finally left. Part of what kept me longer than i wanted was my daughter. She always said how much she enjoyed youth. Turns out she hated it and was trying to convince herself.
Hi Sister,Ecclesiastes 1:9 says that there is "nothing new under the sun". I am reading a book from an old RC monk,John Micheal Talbot,who was prominent in the late 60s early 70s Jesus Movement,and he said that there was so much crazy cultish churches being,born out of this,which got him running to Catholicism. This stuff reminds me of this crazy heretical stuff from50 60 years ago. We are watching some FAI,and other stuff atm,and find it helpful to our faith. God bless you and have a great day from Brisbane Australia 🇦🇺🇦🇺
@@stevenrichardson4659 so he ran from so called cultish stuff to the biggest cult of all Catholicism. Lol man people just get back to reading your bibles. So having Mary carry your prayers to God isn't cultish lol.
@@stevenrichardson4659 dont mock the man who just called out the Catholic church. He just did everyone a huge favor by standing up and posting that. If you yourself have been led astray and deceived into thinking that the Catholic church is teaching the truth, then you are not grounded in the word and have been "cultured" into a church system. Jesus knows YOU but he wants you to know HIM.
Thank you Lord for keeping Juan in your loving arms and ask that you meet Juan's needs & that your peace and strength will help Juan in any situation. Amen 🙏
People say it doesn’t exist, because people like Dr.Brown go out of their way to say it doesn’t exist. Interesting that he’s friends with many NAR folks, and interesting that he paints people who talk about it like “crazies”. All very interesting. 🤔 Great video Alisa! Thank you. ♥️🙏🏽
I struggle to listen to Justin Peters. I can’t get past the tone that wreaks of mockery to me. If people are in error, Jesus wants to restore them to right fellowship with Him. We should be grieved and praying for them, even as we call out things that are against The Bible.
I absolutely agree with you. ‘The tone that wreaks of mockery’. It makes me so uncomfortable, I will NOT listen to him. I AM grateful to have found a few channels that discuss these very important things respectfully.
Satire works for me. What the NAR do is antichristian/ satanic. Peters is in the John McArthur " club" with a very hard and mockery way of preaching about non biblical churches. It sound very harsh. Again using satire but in such important issue as the false churc a more humble aproach would perhaps be more profesional than mock follower of the Prosperity "church" and make lots of fun out of it. Dont sit well with me as it might sound prideful : the Grace commity is superior. Not a humble approach for sure.
ThankYou!!! Great interview. I’m acquainted with this movement as I was involved with this core group..starting in the 90’s. I’m not sure why they don’t just use “NAR” upfront,,as they preach the same basic messages..inviting the same speakers…with the same terminology..while singin’ the same songs!
Thank you so much. This was so helpful! Our church which used to be amazing has been infiltrated over the last 10 years and everything you are talking about is happening.
"Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow." Colossians 2:18-19 Don't lose connection with the head (Christ), church. We're united by the mind of Christ, who is the Truth.
This was excellent; Thank you! NAR is snowballing in my area. It's so valuable to have the first-hand testimony from someone who's been directly involved and has come out of it. And yes, what he said about bondage! Doing more and more, going to the next level, etc. Sounds like a Reiki website I read! Christians want a deeper connection to God and think this is higher spirituality, when it is chains! Leading them away "from the simplicity that is in Christ". 💔
Wow, I have been avoiding youtube for various reasons, but I'm telling you, God directed me to this video of expanation tonight. Thankyou for bringing clarity to the Bible through this platform.
The lord has been showing me so much exactly what you are saying ,discerning. Than I hear you and others now talking about it. I am thankful to the lord for showing me in the scriptures the truth. I have always sensed things are off scriptural in all this teachings as it is all works based but just packaged differently. And never content always needing more ,more, and I have never fit in to it. Been saved 45 yrs. and the lord always speaks to me through His word, and it is His work He is doing in me. I have peace, rest ,joy, contentment, and know He is at work in me both to will in me,and do in me ,of His good pleasure, this is my prayer in a NAR church .I believe God's Holy Word, and His promise to finish the work He has begun in me, I am a lover of God's word, study it every day ir at least read it, pray and it completely satisfies me, the Holy Spirit teaches and leads me into all truth, don't need added more and more, this puts in words exactly what I am seeing being in this church I am in. Thankyou Lord and Alisa for being obedient to the lord in speaking the truth in love ,and bringing others who see and are speaking out as well 🙏
My husband and I just started two weeks ago going to Harvest church. We have been at evangelical church for a bit and love the people but felt not a lot passion in worship. Well… the service worship at Harvest is so lively emotional experience, we LOVED IT. Then on news letter just to get to know church reading it and saw quote from TD Jakes and then Bill Johnson and red flags came up. Then noticed also they have SOZO Ministry not knowing last night what it is. Seems so unscriptural and new age ?! Sorry jumping all over just found this all out last night ! That Bethel churches into Firetunnel and grave soaking ?! Also seems very new age and not scriptural. Now really concerned about going to this church and when I pointed this out to my husband who is usually very balance Christian and he uncharacteristically got very angry and said Well I’m going whether you go or not. 😢 There is something weird going on ? Been praying 🙏 a lot of the night about this. And of course crash course all this stuff since yesterday evening and now watching ex NAR leaders renounce this style church. Never before payed attention to this. I guess Gods got me getting versed quickly ✝️
If it doesn't feel right definitely don't dismiss that. Dig deeper and find answers. Im currently doing so much research and it's so crazy to me that no one is talking about this. How is it going now? Did you stay at the church?
Terrific discussion! Dawain, thanks for mentioning the Podcasts that you are associated with. I have already started listening to the CRT/I Podcast on Just Thinking!
When I left the NAR, I became a shaman. I was well trained at church!! 15 years later I am back as a basic level Christian ❤❤ I felt sad that I was away for so long, but 15 more years of NAR might have hurt me even more
Great Podcast very educational on the New Apostolic Reformation NAR. I believe Apostles and Prophets ordained by God is part of the 5 Fold Ministries but as your guest answered the questions the NAR could have their calling to great extremes which is a departure from God's plans and purposes.
I had a friend who helped me get sucked into the fringes of the NAR. She would go to funeral homes trying to raise the corpse back to life! I was so appalled I started to question the things she had pulled me into. The Bible became very important to my life despite what she was telling me to the contrary. After being out for a few years now, it seemed your emotions were more highly regarded than God’s Word.
Admitting the burden is amazing. I keep telling supposed apostles and prophets that their burden is unbiblical, Jesus says, "my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." Why weigh yourself down with that responsibility, which I would argue is sin?
@@kofizayn6077 Scripture says, "Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away." Jesus also says, "[M]any will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’" So scripture does say prophecy will cease and there are prophets and exorcists going to hell. Please seriously consider Scripture before responding.
@@velociray Either it doesn't say there are no more prophets it just says there will also be fake ones. Also in Africa there are lots and lots of prophets in Africa who prophesy and do miracles and wonders like prophet passion Java, prophet obofour, prophet obinim, prophet omoto Jeremiah or prophet edd Branson and lots and lots of and lots of prophets in Africa who do miracles and wonders.
TBN was my first church also, it was a huge blessing as a new Christian, that was over 20 years ago, i remember watching TBN tell 4:00 AM, the best teachers where on after midnight 😊
Many will be deceived, by those that come in his Name ( could be “ anointed Christians, Apostles, etc. ) Remember Jesus said “Depart from me you workers of iniquity I never knew you!” To the very people performing miracles in Jesus Name
Like i am learning from you Alisa, i also learned alot from Justin Peters. Biblical sound teaching and not afraid to call things as they are. God bless you!
I’m curious about Michael Yousef, his church is Church of the Apostles. But, he is a straightforward Bible teacher, I listen to his preaching and I love it. He does not mince words.
Michael Yousef walks the line of progressive teaching and worse Zionism. I do believe is a Christian, but the celebrity I think is getting to him in a negative way, similar to what is happening Max Lucado.
I’ve left the charismatic church. Whilst in it I did wonder what the difference was between great worship and a great gig. Both have me elevated senses of joy.
Seeing Wagner was a Knight of Malta. Levels is a must in everyone of the secret orders.Freemasonry, Jesuits etc. you can see where the structure was fashioned. Read their joining oaths whilst you check it out. Then question what they are really trying to achieve.
Really eye opening interview- brought many of the core issues on the NAR to the fore- God is indeed teaching the church humility and the need to return to their first love
I am glad you added something to the end. I had never heard of NAR 7ntill a few weeks ago and have been trying to understand it. I have listen to some that fall in NAR by the names mentioned, but they never use that term so I what's unfamiliar with it. I think they are a group that is carrying the concept of continuism beyond the actual scripture. I often recommend your videos, thanks for making them.
@johntobey1558 I wonder how many of these churches are starting up or already in the Lehigh Valley (ABE area). I’m talking to a woman right now that’s into deceased “prophet” Kim Clement which is why I’m watching videos on NAR.
Watch some he’ll testimonies you won’t stay an aethiest for long. Repent ! Just because there are wolves in the church doesn’t mean you don’t have to repent ..
About your question concerning the appropriate way to do worship. I once heard a worship artist say this:" If the angels before the throne wouldn't sing it, then neiter should we". That's the day I started noticing how self centered modern "worship" has become. Worship should draw one's affection, attention, and emotions to the Savior, not self, or the worship leader, or anything else
I'm from SC! I think people can have dreams that are God sent but it's not gonna go against anything the bible says or add anything on to it Also if someone has the holy spirit they aren't gonna be falling around like a drunk man. You can receive the holy spirit This is my story of the receiving the holy spirit. I was singing along with the church music no one laid hands on me. I'm a clumsy person but I felt the spirit move and when I received it I felt something moving me but I was told later I was dancing like a ballerina. I've never taken a ballet class in my life but I never hit anyone, never exposed my self and never tripped over anything. It's hard to explain but so amazing and it's not because of anything my clumsy self has ever done but because of God's grace.
@@disaffectednarcmagnet2305 hello! From Melbourne! Where are you from? I found Mike Winger through Alisa Childers and Melissa Dougherty. I also highly recommend Alisa Childers and her book Another Gospel!
@@beckhendro9468 I live in Perth. It's good to have people who have insights like these speaking out and calling out. I mean it's still up to us to discern but it's criticism that sits fine with me.
@Deej Jones Nice to see a fellow Melbournian! You are 100% correct, the NAR has had such a far reach, and it really snuck in! When I was a kid we were in something similar to the NAR in the 80s, but thankfully we weren't there for long. Now it seems that a lot of places are either NAR or Progressive! I hope you find a community that has sound teaching and lots of love and support
The thing to do among siblings, instead of calling out where people are wrong, is acknowledging where they are right first. Then bring Scripture to the table and challenge those who are following them. It doesn't help to change anyone's path to tell your own followers "See? I was right about these people." Instead, talk to those people whom you believe to be deceived, and challenge them with Scripture.
This video couldn’t have shown up at a better time. My girlfriends daughters dad Takes the girls to his church every other weekend and every other Wednesday and this is the garbage that’s being taught in their nondenominational church. We are working with the girls to show them the differences between our church and their dad’s church and we just hope and pray that the lightbulb comes on.
2 verses for you bro that help me and my parenting if you see this Proverbs 14:29 Whoever is patient has great understanding, but one who is quick tempered displays folly.
Philippians 4-4:7 Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice! Let your gentleness be evident to all. The Lord is near. Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus. Bless you and your fam brother. 🤙
Thank you for this information. Let's put the word of God first in our understanding of things. It has helped me to be more careful about how much I support this group into my community.
They introduced and apostle at my church last year. So much changed and they dismantled the prayer team. Alot of elders left. I do suspect NAR. We never really see the apostle but they brought in so many pastors from the outside.
@Generation Z Leave asap. I was caught up in a prosperity gospel church as a baby Christian. Praise God, He got me out. Look for a full gospel church, my brother, read the Word of God every day, and pray. Every day.
Their response to people not having enough faith is what I heard for several years and finally got out of it indirectly by moving, had to change churches and have not heard the word of faith doctrine through it. I believe it was God's way of leading us out of unsound doctrine just like the subject of this video. Not heard of NAR until just last year by finding fine people like Alisa & others such as Justin Peters. A family member did not appreciate me listening to Mr. Peters because of the Word of Faith movement. Prayer seems the only way to hope for change in their lives. 🙏
And so I read a book titled "They call themselves Apostles" by P.J. Hanley and it was a wake-up call & just what I needed for explanation of this very real movement!
@@PSUJerseyGirl About works? The works you do save you? I have not heard that come out of Mr. Peter's mouth. I'm not real familiar with John MacArthur but have seen from people that he is an example of good Biblical teaching. Alistair Begg is one of our favorites here! Heard of him? I cannot imagine Justin Peters not being a Biblical teacher. Maybe it's a few theological issues that differ?
@@cat-bg3rv Yeah, for me he's too much of a John MacArthur lacky, and he is very much a Calvinistic and so is Peters. They say it's "grace", but what they me is predestination. They also say, if you are saved, you'll do the "works". I feel, Jesus was talking about the "fruits" not works. Now we must not sit there and do nothing. However, of course if we're saved, our actions will show it. However, with Calvinism, you will be doing nothing but "works" so that you show you are saved. Plus, he doesn't believe in the sinner's prayer or verbal repentance.
What’s weird, is that I was a cessationist, and WITHOUT seeking it, I have experienced tongues, shaking, knowing things before they happened, healing, etc. Needless to say, I’m no longer a cessationist in this sense. However, I don’t believe in continuing salvific revelation, nor the continuing of the *office* of apostle and prophet. But I’d caution against reacting against charismatic excess by going into full blown cessationism and rationalism.
Happy that you (the Holy Spirit) crossed that line. I'm just curious, though, if pastors and teachers are still in operation, why couldn't apostles and prophets?
@@matasaina2011 I appreciate your gracious response. I think the Biblical response is found in Ephesians 3:4-6. There Paul speaks of the mystery (the gospel and the inclusion of the Gentiles) now revealed to his prophets and apostles. In other words, God entrusted the new revelation of the Gospel and its scope to these offices. These men where the conduits for the revelation of the New Covenant and therefore had a unique authority. I believe that that revelation is God’s final salvific word to all of humanity (Christ Himself - Heb. 1:1-4). In this sense, I am a cessationist: I believe God’s revelation to mankind about finding salvation in Christ is complete, revealed to and through Apostles and Prophets, and preserved on the pages of the New Testament. This is why the Apostles and Prophets are the foundation of the church (Eph. 2). If the revelation has ceased, the office has ceased as it was tied up with being a foundational office through the revelation of Christ. HOWEVER, I don’t believe this means that the common gifts distributed to believers (1 Cor. 12-14, Romans 12, etc.) have ceased. James gives instructions to ELDERS in chap. 4 for healing, for example. I believe that congregational prophecy/words of knowledge principally has to do with the revelation of a person’s heart (1 Cor. 14:24-25), or relevant circumstantial information, not the revelation of new doctrine for all the church. In other words, I do think that authority in the church comes from the Bible through the offices of Elder (in their teaching and shepherding roles). But at the same time I believe in the continuity of words of knowledge / congregational prophecy (which I believe is principally the Holy Spirit applying the eternal revelation of God’s Word to the needs of a person/church in a way that could not be done without supernatural insight), healing, deliverance, evangelism, etc. In fact, as circumstances become harder for the Christian Church, I believe that the exercise of these gifts will become more and more relevant and necessary for effective ministry and Christian encouragement and resilience. Which why, while acknowledging the dangers of charismatic abuse, I am worried that many will totally turn away from anything even vaguely “supernatural” or experiential in their Christian faith, and actually be hurt in other ways by overreacting. Sorry for the long response. This is a complicated issue and I’m still working through this myself.
@PepeLeFunk -- What do you mean by shaking? Also, when you speak tongues, does it have a ton of repetitive syllables? I've noticed that so many who say they speak in tongues use a lot of repetative syllables.
@@0nly0NE. I don’t just repeat syllables over and over again. It “flows” and changes. I didn’t do the “repeat after me” thing. Someone prayed for me, I didn’t even have the expectation of getting tongues. I suddenly fell over and couldn’t move and tongues literally seemed to “spill” out of my mouth. That’s why I don’t have a lot of patience when people mock tongues saying folk just make stuff up. I’m sure there are a lot of false tongues, a lot of faking, sure. But that does not negate the existence of the real thing. Re: shaking. I have on occasion had the experience of feeling “zapped” by electricity when praying in tongues, and on a few other occasions.
Your questions about the view of biblical authority are spot on as well as mysticism. When you asked that question those were the first two that I thought of. I came out of the NAR and several of my former congregants are now progressive. When you have no real biblical foundation, or are promised things that God never said would happen, its disillusioning. The high view of scripture is the linchpin. The low view of scripture is the connection between nar and progressive. When you read the Bible and make YOUR OWN interpretation... its quite similar.
We also had a similar situation to wakeup olive. The little girl had not passed but was fighting for her life. We had a week of music (can't say it was worship), declaration and prayers that she would be healed.
As a matter of facts Justin Peters and his co believing friends has created spiritual platform and great inpact of awareness to keep us away from this enemies of God. Amen 😢❤
The Holy Spirit is the gift giver.🕊 “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind and ‘Love your neighbor as yourself” Luke 10:27💕
Ok but the laying on of hands is very Biblical... plus or in addition to this, do you then not believe in Miracles and healing.... so you are saying God can't heal someone? Not that I'm a fan of NAR- but I think there are some key components that are being skirted. Just my thoughts... I am from a UPC back ground. I left legalism, but I have not walked away from the power of God through the in filing of the Holy Spirit..... again what I see is a lot of evangelicals have a wonderful knowledge of the word but man are you missing out on the supernatural side of God and vice versa-- Pentecostals are in tuned with the the supernatural side of God, but need more of the word... just my perspective though
This got me thinking, how can you know you are in tune with the supernatural without first being in tune with the natural, otherwise you don’t really know the true nature and charachter of God at all 🤔
exactly, im so against the NAR but I will never deny the power of the Holy Spirit, He has healed me from uncurable diseases. and is so real in my life. pursuing an intimacy with Jesus will answer many questions, people like to follow what others say only and rationalize God. We have to test with the word and also have faith that He didn’t stop being God after revelation. People in persecution in other parts of the world know this, Americans will soon learn this too. this reductionistic view of God, neglects His sovereignty. not everyone will get healed, not everyone will not get their healing. God knows what’s best for each and to glorify Him. He is no atm blessing transaction machine. He is GOD. and will do as He wants.
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When I left Christianity , I felt like I had been freed from a cult. (I had)
15 years later I am back and in the Basic Saved Package level!!! Its so good!!
Wondered if you were a seventh day Adventist cult? I was. But I got delivered
This is the first video I saw that gave me a clue that I was a part of a church and network that had many NAR characteristics and beliefs, although they wouldn’t identify as such. I was on vacation, listening to Dawain and thinking, “hang on…that’s what my church does!”
Thanks for exposing these false doctrines that are so rampant in the church these days.
Jesus never said, "I feel like God is saying this to me..."
"IT IS WRITTEN"
The lack of Biblical literacy and discernment is staggering in modern day western televangelicalism! Thank you for all you do Alisa and Dawain
Amen
Amen!! Very well said! :-) :-)
It is written , and his sheep hear his voice by the holy spirit.
Wow!!! This phrase is starting to bother me in church.
when Jesus said it is written he was always correcting someone, that does not nullify that FACT that God speaks to His people, always has and always will.
I attended an NAR church from 2000, to 2004. They were tied closely to Redding and Bill Johnson. Those 4 years were rough. The amount of manipulation, spiritual abuse, favoritism of some members vs. Cold hearted judgment of others, and the twisting or disregard for scripture, it was all there, and deeply hurtful. We left that church because we were being manipulated to do as we were told, and harshly judged and ostracized when we questioned them. They spoke constantly about being in Relationship with one another, but that only meant that you were IN if you followed them blindly. All questions or hesitancy were judged as disloyal and spiritual blindness. I know that it was the hand of Jesus that led us out of there and I am forever grateful to Him.
Hey thanks for posting. My husband and I had almost the same word for word experience at a NAR church. Needless to say we were not the favored ones 😂 thank you God for that! Rejection and abuse became God’s tools to discipline our butts back to the truth. It’s encouraging to hear I’m not alone.
Amen! Same here!
I had a similar experience with a group of people involved in this movement. Shocked by the anger and rejection I received for asking a question to try to understand.
Has nothing to do with nar, just bad leadership
Sounds like the Discipleship/Shepherding movement
The olive wake up ‘worked up ‘ days of demanding prayer reminded me of the Baal priests ,
I recently left a church like this and you are right, these teachings do put a burden on you. I’m so grateful to God that He helped me to see the truth and come out of that deception. It feels like a literal weight has come off of me. It is a very deceptive teaching that seems to be focused on God, but in reality it is focused on self.
How did you finally get out? How long were you in it? My mom has been brainwashed into the NAR and I am constantly arguing with her over this. Can you give any advice as to how I can help her? Should I just leave her alone and stop saying anything?
@@lonewulf1922 I was going to this particular church for 4 years. I never fully felt comfortable at the church, but was taught to “submit to the teaching” and that I was “afraid of what the spirit wanted to do”. So my true beliefs didn’t actually line up with NAR, but I thought that the NAR was correct…if that makes sense. I think it was a process over time to realize and come back to my true beliefs that I had held since I was saved. What helped me a lot was watching a Mike Winger video on TH-cam where he talked about NAR and Word of Faith and these different groups and then contradicted their teachings with biblical truth. Listening to his videos made me realize that my beliefs had always actually lined up with what he was saying, which was also why I never felt comfortable at that church. I honestly think the Lord was helping me to come out of the deception, because I had seen previous videos years before speaking against NAR and I couldn’t receive it, I would just get offended. I would say that you could try to share some resources or videos, but the most important thing is to pray. Pray for wisdom and discernment and that the Lord would open her eyes.
Agree 100%
Other helpful teachers are Chris Rosebrough @ Fighting 4 The Faith and Pirate Christian Media, Steve and Paulette Kozar @ The Messed Up Church, and Dan and Robin Long @ Long4Truth, all on TH-cam. And of course, Justin Peters.
@@lonewulf1922 ohh Samuel , dear me have you got a problem. I’m serious you see your mother will honestly think she is being persecuted for her belief . Because she can’t differentiate , and is unaware of the Theological subtleties. It really “Christian Buddhism” and it’s so devious the way it has crept in . Just pray 🙏 that she is released from this Christian Buddhism. People are getting aroused and clapping at songs that are error eg..”Is there an Ancient Anointing rising from the ground . This is Samsara Buddhism and for years they try to smuggle it in . So if you told your mother she had become a Christian Buddhist she would feel offended. There is only one five fold ministry Ephesians 4. Not an extra special one as they intimate . It’s just a resurgence of failed Torontoism. Anything to add to the Gospel as an accoutrement. To get away from the Word. It is man focussed . A Social Gospel to draw Saints away from the word . Presently it is Covering/Safeguarding in order to distract from the Word . A Social Gospel and people are losing their grasp on the Word of God. Just pray and ask the Lord to show you what to do and say.
“Hold the line and that line is Scripture!” Amen!!!
Hi Alisa, I began listening to your podcast this week, and I’m really enjoying it. I have been a born-again Christian for 48 years. It saddens my heart when I see churches changing in ways that do not agree with true Biblical Christianity. Thank you for addressing some of these issues. Both my husband and I are enjoying listening and learning. Lord bless you as you continue in His Work.
So thankful to have been delivered out of that!!!
I was in a mega church that had ties to the NAR. They used to call those goosebumps “godbumps”. I have been looking for a new church since leaving the mega church, but I still haven’t found one that actually believes that the Bible means what it says.
Update: Still looking
Baptist? 😏
Look fir a house meeting with a small group.of belivers but make sure their on track with the word bless you
It’s not easy to find one. Find one that stays close to the Bible, that teaches the whole council of God. After years of looking, I’ve found either a solid Baptist church or a Calvary Chapel church. The ones online if you can’t find one that are solid is Jack Hibbs, Barry Stagner, Greg Laurie, or Gary Hamrick. Also Billy Crone “Get A Life” teaches really good studies of religions, cults, and occults. He gets in the weeds on questionable churches and tests them to the Word of God. As an ex-Catholic, I found these studies eye opening. NAR is another false teaching that is destroying many, Billy Crone also does a study on them too.
Reformed Baptist.
Two things I am sure of;
Number 1: if anyone tells you that a Christian must be poor and sick, he and also satan is lying to you!
Number 2: When people call other people "false teachers" you must scrutinize them too! There is normally a snake in the grass! They are trying to brainwash you into believing their own false doctrine by making such statements! They are trying to force their own beliefs onto you!
Most people who call others "false preachers" are actually promoting their own false Sickness and Poverty Gospel. Satan hates you and he always wants you to be sick and to live in misery and poverty! Therefore he cunningly uses false teachers in sheep clothing to make TH-cam videos where they call others "false teachers" and they then promote their own demonic false "gospel" of Cessationism! Cessationism is the false Sickness and Poverty Gospel and it is brainwashing millions of people in these last days!
Cessationism teaches that "God does not actually want to heal you nor does He want you to be blessed and prosperous!" At it's core, this false Cessationism"gospel" is about sickness and poverty but it masquerades in sheep's clothing by always pointing fingers at others! It teaches that "God only heals a few rare people and only when He feels like it. That is a lie from the pit of Hell. God loves you!
It also teaches that It is good to be poor and suffering but to be successful and prosperous is bad! These are also lies from the pit of hell! If anyone spreads this false gospel, he is spreading a lie! Satan is behind the Sickness and Poverty Gospel of Cessationism! Cessationism is the bad news gospel! It is bad news to the poor and it is bad news to the sick!
Let me share the real Good News of Jesus Christ with you:
Jesus Christ loves you! He wants to save and bless you because God loves you! He died and was whipped and crucified for you! He died to save, heal and to prosper you!
3 John 1:2
Beloved, I wish above all things that you may prosper and be in health, even as your soul prospers.
God does not want to see His children suffering in poverty, He wants to prosper them:
Psalms 35:27
"Let them shout for joy, and be glad, that favor my righteous cause: yes, let them say continually, Let the LORD be magnified, which has pleasure in the prosperity of his servant."
The true Gospel of Jesus Christ brings Good news and God's blessings to the poor and to the lost sinner and also to the sick, it brings healing, joy and peace. God is love and He is a good God! He cares about you and about your loved ones!
He wants to save and bless you!
Luke 4:18
"The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to preach the Good News to the poor; he has sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,"
God cares about the sinner, the sick and the poor! God loves you!
If your belief system has a hierarchy, RUN.
If you’re a Christian and someone is telling you there’s a hierarchy among believers in the eyes of God, RUN.
Nothing good has ever come out of placing one person over another in terms of who receives God’s love or blessing or favor more. To the one uplifted, it inflates their arrogance. To the one cast down, it destroys them with despair.
There was hierarchy in the church from day 1. There's hierarchy in the Kingdom of God. There's hierarchy in nature. The question is if the higher-ups are lording over the rest, or serving them in love.
If you want to hear the God speak, read the Bible. If you want to hear Him speak audibly, read it out loud.
Yo this is perfect haha
Amen amen amen
Defo the best foundation for hearing God, no matter ur doctrine.. 💯
Works every time
James Trotter do you actually believe that comment by JP is some sort of Wisdom. What would it sound like if you spoke it out loud in the voice of Donald Duck. What would that say about God. Would that be O.K. would that man that God is a duck. Just asking?
This has all the look of the Faith movement - Prosperity stuff. I was bamboozled by this stuff when I was new to the faith. Older Christians were really into it in my Bible study times - therefore, so was I. The Bible, plus a practical lesson about how untrue these beliefs were is what showed me I was on the wrong track. My hubby lost his job in the mid 80s, when I was part of this stuff. I followed the teaching, mustering up the faith they said I needed for hubby to get the job he was interviewing for. He didn’t get it and I was mad at God. I calmed down, after crying and telling God how unfair He was when I followed all the directions and had lots of faith, I figured He should have answered my prayer . A thought crossed my mind, right out of left field that asked - “Well, whose will did you want to be done?” It stopped me in my tracks and I had to say, “well, I guess mine”. I knew what the Lord’s prayer said at least. It was a sorely needed lesson I never forgot after that. God is calling the shots, not me. After going through 8 years of unemployment, hubby going back to school, numerous adventures with God during that time, and seeing He really did know better than me, that He could be trusted and His Word is the road map I need to follow to keep on the right way . Valuable lesson that was worth it all!
Dawain your humility is so refreshing. Thank you for sharing.
This hits so close to home because just about every black church in the inner city of Pittsburgh engages in this false doctrine. Everyone wants to be a bishop, apostle, overseer, what have you. Everyone wants to be told they can prophesy and everyone wants to "receive" a prophesy too. There is no "New Wave"; the Word is SUFFICIENT, Christ is SUFFICIENT! I'm so glad God used Allen Parr to plant the seeds to allow me to be open to the truth and "American Gospel: Christ Alone" reeled me in. I pray for my peers.
Those "chills"/"goosebumps" were a huge stumbling block for me.
I genuinely believed that those came from being in God's presence and that whenever I didn't feel them, God wasn't near or I wasn't near Him.
I now know that those came because of how excited and euphoric I was after being saved and born again.
I mostly felt them in the "Honeymoon Phase" of my Salvation and I still get them now but not as much because nowadays the feeling isn't as much a euphoria for God, it has become more of a mature love and reverence for Him.
Anybody can have chills / goosebumps... it's emotional / physiological / brain chemicals etc. Athiests get the chills/goosebumps. It's not bad, but neither does it mean you're hearing/feeling the divine/God.
Discernment is needed
Thank you for this podcast. I am a Pastor’s wife and am praying for some of those we know leave to attend a “Bethel “affiliated church. It breaks my heart and they refuse to hear any warnings, given in love. I am sad see them go from a Word centered church to an based NAR church.
It is the same in Europe.
The maingoal is back to Roman Catholicchurch. It is the false church in these endtimes.
I really appreciate Justin Peters and his bluntness 😆 it’s impressive when someone is open to critique and investigates things honestly. Must be a love of the truth 🕊
For somebody who loves the truth he sure gets a lot of things wrong.
Bluntness is not Truth.
@@JewandGreek hi rod, I follow your channel. Seems like you have another discernment ministry to follow 😉
Well said.
Edited: I just realised you have a very interesting list of content yourself. Will be sure to check them out, God bless!
@@JewandGreek You wouldn't know - you have no truth in you!
This man said it best “PYRAMID SCHEME “
@@fightingforthefaith8676 no lol
@@christopherarocha92 I think she was hacked
I really appreciate Dawain’s humility.
So good and right on 💯🙌 This is absolute my experience at my last church. Praise God for His Grace and Mercy. I was in bondage and basically had a breakdown. It has taken me 2 years to recover through finding a solid church, Biblical preaching and teaching, Scripture and medical intervention
Deb, I would consider Listening to Peter Panagore on TH-cam. He's been up there when he died...
@@theilluminatedcastle uhhh..NO
Hey deb. I’m in the U.K. and had a similar experience.... horrific. So sorry you had to go through this..😐... I’m recovering too, as I had a breakdown trying to summon up being an overcomer and getting off meds( which I actually needed) it was all “ demons “ and the need to get my breakthrough etc etc also needed to “ learn the lesson God was trying to teach me”. Now in a lovely church with solid Bible teaching and people truly care for each other. Blessings and love 💕
Thank you so much, I’m a new believer, and you have helped me so much. I’m so blessed to be involved in a wonderful church, and watching and listening to you have helped me realize I’m in the right place!
I've always questioned anyone who calls themselves a "prophet"...
I never knew why...
But just this feeling in my gut...
Glad I trusted it.
It all goes back to "my sheep know my voice.."
David Wilkerson insisted he wasn't a prophet, yet he walked in more holiness power and accuracy than anything we see now. And David was up to his Eyeballs in Scripture. Hmmmmm
So good. Very informed guest! Thank you, Alisa, for always being so gracious to your guests and letting them speak without a lot of interruption!
What a great testimony . Thank you brother for talking about this issue, so many need to hear this. God bless.🙏❤️🕊️✝️
When he was talking about the nar prophets coming up with new revelations to get people to forget the old ones that didn't pass it reminds me of Deuteronomy 18:20-22
I am a minister and was 15 years part of a network of a so called apostolic network here in europe under the oversight of one of big names in this new apostolic network . I left them because I could not believe what’s going on there .
After involvement in nar toxicity and being kicked out of two churches for asking for biblical support for their doctrinal positions, I became a Darwinist for two decades because I believed at least science would follow an objective standard. Thank God for reformed theology - now back in the fold.
Thank God for the indwelling of the Holy Spirit
Thank you for this. Always great to be aware of the danger infiltrating the Church🙏
Thanks so much for making this video. I’m praying that this message under pins the need for us all to crack open the Bible and read the scripture.
I totally send absolutely agree.
I love when he said "The key to deception is emotion" - that's key. Jezebel evil spirit.
Since Cancel Culture is real, you might want to head over to Locals, and get your videos uploaded to a dedicated website, that is overseas, like Iceland, Netherlands, Switzerland and some other countries. Because these countries and some companies don't care about US Law and in particular Iceland has laws on the books that help prevents a content creator for being deplatform. I plan to move all my websites and start doing videos again, on a dedicated website. Sure, cost much more money. But it is a nice back up, just in case TH-cam goes full 1984.
Good advice
I’m I you I’ll
I’m a Moderate Pentecostal and I listen a lot to Justin Peters. I’m a practical Cessationist that the office of apostles and prophets have ceased. But I’m a continuationist that the Spiritual gifts have not ceased unless it is practiced biblically.
Tongues today are gibberish
Thank you for sharing this and for connecting with former NARs. I left one after years of employment and I am so happy to hear that this is being exposed.
The curious thing is the "honor culture" which is built in these ministries that require people who may come from nothing to make financial pacts to receive blessings! It is heartbreaking how this system usurps people of everything they have in exchange for false hopes of finances, health, emotional, and other blessings. GBU both and please keep sharing these stories!
It’s called giving thighs and it’s very biblical
@@LetTheTruthBeTold8324 doctrine of a true penny pincher
Giving thighs?££ you mean tithes ? False unbiblical racket
The part about the burden to show that you’ve gone up to another spiritual level is real. It was a painful experience to be told by my prophetic leader that I had been in decline for 6 months, while I was 6 months pregnant (clearly increasing, not in decline). It crushed me, it hurt me, and it shared to open my eyes.
And to be told when I asked my leader a simple question, “I have discerning of spirits and I know which spirit you are operating from”.
Then when I left her group, she distances me because her time is valuable and she only gives a lot of time to the people in her group because they are her responsibility. To go from being in that group to now being on the other side is just ugly. It’s a weird mafia-type thing. Very sad.
Yes we have a modern apostle Gino Jennings hear his message he speaks truth he don't preach hanky panky so-called traditions of Charismatics non sense
I encourage you to forgive her and start a new journey with God. Resilience in God makes you wiser and stronger. Peace of God be with you.
Dawain, your openness, honesty, and humility is greatly appreciated. Alisa, as always, great interview!
Excellent...
I think wakeupolive was partially a sincere goal but was a mixture of painting yourself into a corner as a group and at the same time realizing their faith was not actually as high as they professed publicly.
I've been raised from the dead, so I know it's real and God still does it. And I have seen God raise one of my cats from the dead.
Recognizing narcissism, pride, psychopath etc in oneself as well as in others is definitely a need in our journey.
Thanks for sharing,
James
Oh so familiar, unfortunately-right down to a young child in our congregation we waited and prayed for two years to "wake up" from the life support he was sustained on. It was heart wrenching. This sort of thing was the regular teaching I spent so many years in. Chuck Pierce was a frequent speaker at our ( old) church, actually, and highly revered. Also Todd Bentley and so many other NAR folks. Thank you for speaking on your experience. People need to know God's truth as found in His Word.
Sooooo good!! God bless you two!
This was so helpful, especially after leaving an NAR church which I grew up in.
My church is moving in this direction and; I am being very watchful and prayful
get out, the deception is so subtle that you can only detect when you stop listening to them. Therefore leave right now
I haven’t been to a NAR congregation or encounter someone in that community but I remember being very cautious when I was in a FB where some people had titles in their names like Apostle. Thank you for speaking up on this. I can see how the NAR mess can bring spiritual abuse to others. As the body of Christ we definitely gotta pick up our Bibles & read the word more often. I know I need to better in reading the word myself too.
Paul said it the best:
what I am doing I will continue to do, in order to undermine the claim of those who would like to claim that in their boasted mission they work on the same terms as we do. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds.
2 Corinthians 11
I believe God still speaks to us in a personal way, but to the church as a whole, we still need the Bible most of all
I've always had an amazing love of The Bible since child hood. I grew up loving God but was actually SAVED when I was 18.
I started going to my in-laws church which i now know was New Apastolic Reformation and Word of Faith. I got thrown into the deep end of WOF and NAR.
Being a baby Christian starting out in the women's "Bible Studies" it struck me as odd that scripture was never used much unless it was to take a single verse out of it's context to "apply it to ourselves" and mostly just a ladies emotional "fun" time with lots of food and snacks; basically just socializing. (After all these women and men in this church are SO spiritual and wize that this is most definitely how things work!)
Until my Faith was put in to question by the fact that my severe chronic(also episodic) illnesses were never healed "because if they pray for someone they are ALWAYS healed unless they haven't given a big enough "seed"(money) offering, their faith is too weak, or you aren't even saved at all."
Fast forward 8 years later I was in so much utter pain and turmoil from my chronic pain that I felt like if my faith isn't great enough and I'm still suffering in so many ways then I am DEFINITELY not good enough for God and will never be!
I backslid so far over a 2 year period of severe drinking, reckless behavior cutting myself because that pain numbed the other turmoil that I was going through mentally and physically; and it almost ended with my death after I could take no more, lost the will to live and my in-laws had to have paramedics rush me to the hospital because my absolutely shattered will to live caused my body to stop functioning properly and I was only taking air into my lungs about 4 to 5 times a minute.
I was numb and wanted to just go home to God because even though I felt enadequate in that "religion" I still loved God and just wanted peace and to fall at His feet in awe and reverence.
I recovered. I walked away this time from the junk in those "churches" and dove into scripture and studying the truth of all of that evil doctrine and now have joy that only a REAL relationship and love for God's Word can give you.
Thank you for getting the message of these doctrines of the devil out for people to see!
I pray that others will see videos like this one and feel assured that
"THAT" Is NOT Christianity AT ALL and I know first hand because it almost cost me my 10 year marriage and my very life!
God bless!✝️💜💜💜
Very similar experience. Glad God has brought you through. I have been out over 8 years now myself and so grateful for this rebuilding process of learning His Biblical truth. May He keep strengthening you in the faith. ❤
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Praise God and Thanks for sharing you’re testimony 🥰 God is so good
HE is Faithful and ❤s you so much. So Sorry you had such suffering but He has taken you under His Wing. Psalm 91
HE ❤️s you with an Everlasting Love. Nothing can separate you from Him. You are Blessed to know The Truth.
Prayers your days ahead be full of His Blessings.🕊
The church I left a few years ago was heavily steeped in the teachings of Bethel and hillsong, jesus culture ect... in fact all of the guest speakers at our church and the youth conference they called purpose conference was stemmed from these churches. I ended up there simply because I moved from my home state. And I was trying to find a new church. And I didnt want to be a "church hopper". So I kept going, until I couldn't take it anymore. There was no gospel. It was all self help. And they preached that if you didnt make a lot of money you weren't doing your part for Christ. Once after church I was waiting for my daughter to come out, she was serving in childrens ministry. I overheard a new congregant telling someone who was deep in the church that he was excited because he was a recovering addict and found Christ. The deep in the church guy responded by bragging to this kid who is barely getting it together that he just bought this huge brand new house on the hill. And had room for his big boat and cars ect.... he went on and on about how important it is to have stuff! I was embarrassed for him. And appalled to be honest. But not at all surprised because it's exactly what this church stood on. I felt released in my soul when I finally left. Part of what kept me longer than i wanted was my daughter. She always said how much she enjoyed youth. Turns out she hated it and was trying to convince herself.
Hi Sister,Ecclesiastes 1:9 says that there is "nothing new under the sun".
I am reading a book from an old RC monk,John Micheal Talbot,who was prominent in the late 60s early 70s Jesus Movement,and he said that there was so much crazy cultish churches being,born out of this,which got him running to Catholicism.
This stuff reminds me of this crazy heretical stuff from50 60 years ago.
We are watching some FAI,and other stuff atm,and find it helpful to our faith.
God bless you and have a great day from Brisbane Australia 🇦🇺🇦🇺
@@stevenrichardson4659 thank you! I agree. Its wild to watch. God bless you. I'm praying for the believers in this world to be guided by truth.
@@stevenrichardson4659 so he ran from so called cultish stuff to the biggest cult of all Catholicism. Lol man people just get back to reading your bibles. So having Mary carry your prayers to God isn't cultish lol.
@@truth0077 What cult are you from again?
@@stevenrichardson4659 dont mock the man who just called out the Catholic church. He just did everyone a huge favor by standing up and posting that. If you yourself have been led astray and deceived into thinking that the Catholic church is teaching the truth, then you are not grounded in the word and have been "cultured" into a church system. Jesus knows YOU but he wants you to know HIM.
It's very courageous of you to talk about this bro! Thanks for the transparency
Hi please pray for me. I really need it.
Thank you so much. Please continue I really need it.
Thank you Lord for keeping Juan in your loving arms and ask that you meet Juan's needs & that your peace and strength will help Juan in any situation. Amen 🙏
praying 4 u
Stand fast on the holy word of God
People say it doesn’t exist, because people like Dr.Brown go out of their way to say it doesn’t exist. Interesting that he’s friends with many NAR folks, and interesting that he paints people who talk about it like “crazies”. All very interesting. 🤔
Great video Alisa! Thank you. ♥️🙏🏽
I struggle to listen to Justin Peters. I can’t get past the tone that wreaks of mockery to me. If people are in error, Jesus wants to restore them to right fellowship with Him. We should be grieved and praying for them, even as we call out things that are against The Bible.
I absolutely agree with you. ‘The tone that wreaks of mockery’. It makes me so uncomfortable, I will NOT listen to him. I AM grateful to have found a few channels that discuss these very important things respectfully.
So right. I totally agree. Peace to you
TOTALLY AGREE.
Satire works for me. What the NAR do is antichristian/ satanic. Peters is in the John McArthur " club" with a very hard and mockery way of preaching about non biblical churches. It sound very harsh. Again using satire but in such important issue as the false churc a more humble aproach would perhaps be more profesional than mock follower of the Prosperity "church" and make lots of fun out of it. Dont sit well with me as it might sound prideful : the Grace commity is superior. Not a humble approach for sure.
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ThankYou!!! Great interview. I’m acquainted with this movement as I was involved with this core group..starting in the 90’s. I’m not sure why they don’t just use “NAR” upfront,,as they preach the same basic messages..inviting the same speakers…with the same terminology..while singin’ the same songs!
Thank you so much. This was so helpful! Our church which used to be amazing has been infiltrated over the last 10 years and everything you are talking about is happening.
I am blown away at the realities shared here, I was clueless. Thank you
"Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you. Such a person also goes into great detail about what they have seen; they are puffed up with idle notions by their unspiritual mind. They have lost connection with the head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow." Colossians 2:18-19
Don't lose connection with the head (Christ), church. We're united by the mind of Christ, who is the Truth.
You two covered a number of excellent issues that I wasn't expecting from the title of this video - glad I watched the whole thing!
This was excellent; Thank you! NAR is snowballing in my area. It's so valuable to have the first-hand testimony from someone who's been directly involved and has come out of it. And yes, what he said about bondage! Doing more and more, going to the next level, etc. Sounds like a Reiki website I read! Christians want a deeper connection to God and think this is higher spirituality, when it is chains! Leading them away "from the simplicity that is in Christ". 💔
Wow, I have been avoiding youtube for various reasons, but I'm telling you, God directed me to this video of expanation tonight. Thankyou for bringing clarity to the Bible through this platform.
The lord has been showing me so much exactly what you are saying ,discerning. Than I hear you and others now talking about it. I am thankful to the lord for showing me in the scriptures the truth. I have always sensed things are off scriptural in all this teachings as it is all works based but just packaged differently. And never content always needing more ,more, and I have never fit in to it. Been saved 45 yrs. and the lord always speaks to me through His word, and it is His work He is doing in me. I have peace, rest ,joy, contentment, and know He is at work in me both to will in me,and do in me ,of His good pleasure, this is my prayer in a NAR church .I believe God's Holy Word, and His promise to finish the work He has begun in me, I am a lover of God's word, study it every day ir at least read it, pray and it completely satisfies me, the Holy Spirit teaches and leads me into all truth, don't need added more and more, this puts in words exactly what I am seeing being in this church I am in. Thankyou Lord and Alisa for being obedient to the lord in speaking the truth in love ,and bringing others who see and are speaking out as well 🙏
Working things up always reminds me of the prophets of Ba al at their altars vs Elijah and his calmness.
Americans are good at hyping things up but the anointing is real and tangible, and should be respected
Keith Gibson’s book WANDERING STARS really helped me understand the error of the NAR. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!
Yes, I just read this boook! Excellent book! It gives all the Biblical evidence of the NAR heresy. I recommend it.
My husband and I just started two weeks ago going to Harvest church. We have been at evangelical church for a bit and love the people but felt not a lot passion in worship. Well… the service worship at Harvest is so lively emotional experience, we LOVED IT. Then on news letter just to get to know church reading it and saw quote from TD Jakes and then Bill Johnson and red flags came up. Then noticed also they have SOZO Ministry not knowing last night what it is. Seems so unscriptural and new age ?!
Sorry jumping all over just found this all out last night ! That Bethel churches into Firetunnel and grave soaking ?! Also seems very new age and not scriptural.
Now really concerned about going to this church and when I pointed this out to my husband who is usually very balance Christian and he uncharacteristically got very angry and said
Well I’m going whether you go or not. 😢
There is something weird going on ? Been praying 🙏 a lot of the night about this. And of course crash course all this stuff since yesterday evening and now watching ex NAR leaders renounce this style church. Never before payed attention to this. I guess Gods got me getting versed quickly ✝️
If it doesn't feel right definitely don't dismiss that. Dig deeper and find answers. Im currently doing so much research and it's so crazy to me that no one is talking about this. How is it going now? Did you stay at the church?
I experienced this while attending Church Of God In Christ aka COGIC.
Terrific discussion! Dawain, thanks for mentioning the Podcasts that you are associated with. I have already started listening to the CRT/I Podcast on Just Thinking!
When I left the NAR, I became a shaman. I was well trained at church!!
15 years later I am back as
a basic level Christian ❤❤
I felt sad that I was away for so long, but 15 more years of NAR might have hurt me even more
Great Podcast very educational on the New Apostolic Reformation NAR. I believe Apostles and Prophets ordained by God is part of the 5 Fold Ministries but as your guest answered the questions the NAR could have their calling to great extremes which is a departure from God's plans and purposes.
Thankful that the Lord revealed the truth to this man. I hope there will be more.
I had a friend who helped me get sucked into the fringes of the NAR. She would go to funeral homes trying to raise the corpse back to life! I was so appalled I started to question the things she had pulled me into. The Bible became very important to my life despite what she was telling me to the contrary. After being out for a few years now, it seemed your emotions were more highly regarded than God’s Word.
it's sad because they think they're doing the a good thing too😔 praying for your friend.
She was just being obedient to Jesus’ assignment: heal the sick, raise the dead. And yes, that’s in the bible!
Wake up Olive was so incredibly sad. Healing does not need to be worked up. Period. So sad
The more I learn about this movement, the more I'm realizing that it's incredibly similar to Mormonism. Like really REALLY similar.
No way.. how??
Modern day apostles and prophets is the biggest similarity. New revelations that are equivalent to scripture basically
Admitting the burden is amazing. I keep telling supposed apostles and prophets that their burden is unbiblical, Jesus says, "my yoke is easy, and my burden is light." Why weigh yourself down with that responsibility, which I would argue is sin?
The Bible never said there aren't prophets anymore also there are lots and lots of prophets in Africa who prophesy and do miracles and wonders.
@@kofizayn6077 Scripture says, "Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away."
Jesus also says, "[M]any will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’"
So scripture does say prophecy will cease and there are prophets and exorcists going to hell.
Please seriously consider Scripture before responding.
@@velociray Either it doesn't say there are no more prophets it just says there will also be fake ones. Also in Africa there are lots and lots of prophets in Africa who prophesy and do miracles and wonders like prophet passion Java, prophet obofour, prophet obinim, prophet omoto Jeremiah or prophet edd Branson and lots and lots of and lots of prophets in Africa who do miracles and wonders.
TBN was my first church also, it was a huge blessing as a new Christian, that was over 20 years ago, i remember watching TBN tell 4:00 AM, the best teachers where on after midnight 😊
Many will be deceived, by those that come in his Name ( could be “ anointed Christians, Apostles, etc. )
Remember Jesus said “Depart from me you workers of iniquity I never knew you!”
To the very people performing miracles in Jesus Name
Like i am learning from you Alisa, i also learned alot from Justin Peters. Biblical sound teaching and not afraid to call things as they are. God bless you!
I’m curious about Michael Yousef, his church is Church of the Apostles. But, he is a straightforward Bible teacher, I listen to his preaching and I love it. He does not mince words.
Michael Yousef walks the line of progressive teaching and worse Zionism. I do believe is a Christian, but the celebrity I think is getting to him in a negative way, similar to what is happening Max Lucado.
Keep shining the light of truth! Thank you both!
I’ve left the charismatic church. Whilst in it I did wonder what the difference was between great worship and a great gig. Both have me elevated senses of joy.
Paul says that a spiritual man judges all things. Follow Jesus and He will teach you the ways of His Father. x
The mention of achieving "levels" of Christianity immediately reminds me of Scientology. Hmmm.....
That's like a bible app only giving the first five books for free and charging 5.99 for the next 5 books.
The Charismatic church is saturated in occultism
Seeing Wagner was a Knight of Malta. Levels is a must in everyone of the secret orders.Freemasonry, Jesuits etc. you can see where the structure was fashioned. Read their joining oaths whilst you check it out. Then question what they are really trying to achieve.
Leah Remini is doing her exposure on Scientology on Netflix
Really eye opening interview- brought many of the core issues on the NAR to the fore- God is indeed teaching the church humility and the need to return to their first love
I am glad you added something to the end. I had never heard of NAR 7ntill a few weeks ago and have been trying to understand it. I have listen to some that fall in NAR by the names mentioned, but they never use that term so I what's unfamiliar with it. I think they are a group that is carrying the concept of continuism beyond the actual scripture. I often recommend your videos, thanks for making them.
@@fightingforthefaith8676 Sorry to see you hacked
The New Apostolic reformation is very very popular as a newer Cult in Philadelphia, Pa. Thank you firbexposing them here.
@johntobey1558 I wonder how many of these churches are starting up or already in the Lehigh Valley (ABE area). I’m talking to a woman right now that’s into deceased “prophet” Kim Clement which is why I’m watching videos on NAR.
I'm an atheist but let me say God bless you for covering this, NAR is seriously scary.
yeah definitely scary! that's something we can agree on for sure! ty for your kind comment❤ :)
God doesnt believe in atheists. Just sayin
@@angeloantonio5483 Don’t just say things. Pray for people before speaking your mind.
Watch some he’ll testimonies you won’t stay an aethiest for long. Repent ! Just because there are wolves in the church doesn’t mean you don’t have to repent ..
About your question concerning the appropriate way to do worship. I once heard a worship artist say this:" If the angels before the throne wouldn't sing it, then neiter should we". That's the day I started noticing how self centered modern "worship" has become. Worship should draw one's affection, attention, and emotions to the Savior, not self, or the worship leader, or anything else
I'm from SC! I think people can have dreams that are God sent but it's not gonna go against anything the bible says or add anything on to it
Also if someone has the holy spirit they aren't gonna be falling around like a drunk man.
You can receive the holy spirit
This is my story of the receiving the holy spirit. I was singing along with the church music no one laid hands on me. I'm a clumsy person but I felt the spirit move and when I received it I felt something moving me but I was told later I was dancing like a ballerina. I've never taken a ballet class in my life but I never hit anyone, never exposed my self and never tripped over anything. It's hard to explain but so amazing and it's not because of anything my clumsy self has ever done but because of God's grace.
Watching from Australia! Thank you for putting this out there
Hi fellow Aussie, good to see you here ☺ where are you from? I saw this lady with Mike Winger and that brought me here.
@@disaffectednarcmagnet2305 hello! From Melbourne! Where are you from? I found Mike Winger through Alisa Childers and Melissa Dougherty. I also highly recommend Alisa Childers and her book Another Gospel!
@@beckhendro9468 I live in Perth. It's good to have people who have insights like these speaking out and calling out. I mean it's still up to us to discern but it's criticism that sits fine with me.
@Deej Jones Nice to see a fellow Melbournian! You are 100% correct, the NAR has had such a far reach, and it really snuck in! When I was a kid we were in something similar to the NAR in the 80s, but thankfully we weren't there for long. Now it seems that a lot of places are either NAR or Progressive! I hope you find a community that has sound teaching and lots of love and support
@@beckhendro9468 Melbourne too!
The thing to do among siblings, instead of calling out where people are wrong, is acknowledging where they are right first. Then bring Scripture to the table and challenge those who are following them. It doesn't help to change anyone's path to tell your own followers "See? I was right about these people." Instead, talk to those people whom you believe to be deceived, and challenge them with Scripture.
I went to a midweek class last night and the teacher was calling everyone an apostle (Apostolos) meaning one who is sent!! Red flag 🚩 To be continued.
I haven't been to Church in years and it just amazes me how many new trends there are out there.
The ministry of the Holy Spirit is not new. The traditional churches shut it down centuries ago.
This video couldn’t have shown up at a better time. My girlfriends daughters dad Takes the girls to his church every other weekend and every other Wednesday and this is the garbage that’s being taught in their nondenominational church. We are working with the girls to show them the differences between our church and their dad’s church and we just hope and pray that the lightbulb comes on.
2 verses for you bro that help me and my parenting if you see this Proverbs 14:29
Whoever is patient has great understanding,
but one who is quick tempered displays folly.
Philippians 4-4:7
Rejoice in the Lord always. I will say it again: Rejoice! Let your gentleness be evident to all. The Lord is near. Do not be anxious about anything, but in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus. Bless you and your fam brother. 🤙
Thank you for this information. Let's put the word of God first in our understanding of things. It has helped me to be more careful about how much I support this group into my community.
They introduced and apostle at my church last year. So much changed and they dismantled the prayer team. Alot of elders left. I do suspect NAR. We never really see the apostle but they brought in so many pastors from the outside.
@Generation Z Leave asap. I was caught up in a prosperity gospel church as a baby Christian. Praise God, He got me out. Look for a full gospel church, my brother, read the Word of God every day, and pray. Every day.
Because they were old wineskins that's why
Their response to people not having enough faith is what I heard for several years and finally got out of it indirectly by moving, had to change churches and have not heard the word of faith doctrine through it. I believe it was God's way of leading us out of unsound doctrine just like the subject of this video. Not heard of NAR until just last year by finding fine people like Alisa & others such as Justin Peters. A family member did not appreciate me listening to Mr. Peters because of the Word of Faith movement. Prayer seems the only way to hope for change in their lives. 🙏
And so I read a book titled "They call themselves Apostles" by P.J. Hanley and it was a wake-up call & just what I needed for explanation of this very real movement!
Justin Peters is a hidden Calvinist. I used to listen to him, but he's not bibical either. He and John MacArthurs are about works, disguised as works.
@@PSUJerseyGirl About works? The works you do save you? I have not heard that come out of Mr. Peter's mouth. I'm not real familiar with John MacArthur but have seen from people that he is an example of good Biblical teaching. Alistair Begg is one of our favorites here! Heard of him? I cannot imagine Justin Peters not being a Biblical teacher. Maybe it's a few theological issues that differ?
@@cat-bg3rv Yeah, for me he's too much of a John MacArthur lacky, and he is very much a Calvinistic and so is Peters. They say it's "grace", but what they me is predestination. They also say, if you are saved, you'll do the "works". I feel, Jesus was talking about the "fruits" not works.
Now we must not sit there and do nothing. However, of course if we're saved, our actions will show it. However, with Calvinism, you will be doing nothing but "works" so that you show you are saved. Plus, he doesn't believe in the sinner's prayer or verbal repentance.
Thank you for keeping us informed, enlightened and equipped to be God's ambassadors.
What’s weird, is that I was a cessationist, and WITHOUT seeking it, I have experienced tongues, shaking, knowing things before they happened, healing, etc.
Needless to say, I’m no longer a cessationist in this sense.
However, I don’t believe in continuing salvific revelation, nor the continuing of the *office* of apostle and prophet. But I’d caution against reacting against charismatic excess by going into full blown cessationism and rationalism.
Happy that you (the Holy Spirit) crossed that line. I'm just curious, though, if pastors and teachers are still in operation, why couldn't apostles and prophets?
@@matasaina2011 I appreciate your gracious response.
I think the Biblical response is found in Ephesians 3:4-6. There Paul speaks of the mystery (the gospel and the inclusion of the Gentiles) now revealed to his prophets and apostles. In other words, God entrusted the new revelation of the Gospel and its scope to these offices. These men where the conduits for the revelation of the New Covenant and therefore had a unique authority. I believe that that revelation is God’s final salvific word to all of humanity (Christ Himself - Heb. 1:1-4).
In this sense, I am a cessationist: I believe God’s revelation to mankind about finding salvation in Christ is complete, revealed to and through Apostles and Prophets, and preserved on the pages of the New Testament. This is why the Apostles and Prophets are the foundation of the church (Eph. 2). If the revelation has ceased, the office has ceased as it was tied up with being a foundational office through the revelation of Christ.
HOWEVER, I don’t believe this means that the common gifts distributed to believers (1 Cor. 12-14, Romans 12, etc.) have ceased. James gives instructions to ELDERS in chap. 4 for healing, for example. I believe that congregational prophecy/words of knowledge principally has to do with the revelation of a person’s heart (1 Cor. 14:24-25), or relevant circumstantial information, not the revelation of new doctrine for all the church.
In other words, I do think that authority in the church comes from the Bible through the offices of Elder (in their teaching and shepherding roles).
But at the same time I believe in the continuity of words of knowledge / congregational prophecy (which I believe is principally the Holy Spirit applying the eternal revelation of God’s Word to the needs of a person/church in a way that could not be done without supernatural insight), healing, deliverance, evangelism, etc.
In fact, as circumstances become harder for the Christian Church, I believe that the exercise of these gifts will become more and more relevant and necessary for effective ministry and Christian encouragement and resilience.
Which why, while acknowledging the dangers of charismatic abuse, I am worried that many will totally turn away from anything even vaguely “supernatural” or experiential in their Christian faith, and actually be hurt in other ways by overreacting.
Sorry for the long response. This is a complicated issue and I’m still working through this myself.
Helpful discussion.
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@PepeLeFunk -- What do you mean by shaking? Also, when you speak tongues, does it have a ton of repetitive syllables? I've noticed that so many who say they speak in tongues use a lot of repetative syllables.
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I don’t just repeat syllables over and over again. It “flows” and changes. I didn’t do the “repeat after me” thing. Someone prayed for me, I didn’t even have the expectation of getting tongues. I suddenly fell over and couldn’t move and tongues literally seemed to “spill” out of my mouth.
That’s why I don’t have a lot of patience when people mock tongues saying folk just make stuff up. I’m sure there are a lot of false tongues, a lot of faking, sure. But that does not negate the existence of the real thing.
Re: shaking. I have on occasion had the experience of feeling “zapped” by electricity when praying in tongues, and on a few other occasions.
Excellent intereview. Learned alot. TY.
I recommend also the book “Counterfeit Kingdom” by Holly Pivec and Douglas Geivett
People need to do their homework, I did mine
Yes
Your questions about the view of biblical authority are spot on as well as mysticism. When you asked that question those were the first two that I thought of.
I came out of the NAR and several of my former congregants are now progressive. When you have no real biblical foundation, or are promised things that God never said would happen, its disillusioning.
The high view of scripture is the linchpin. The low view of scripture is the connection between nar and progressive.
When you read the Bible and make YOUR OWN interpretation... its quite similar.
We also had a similar situation to wakeup olive. The little girl had not passed but was fighting for her life. We had a week of music (can't say it was worship), declaration and prayers that she would be healed.
As a matter of facts Justin Peters and his co believing friends has created spiritual platform and great inpact of awareness to keep us away from this enemies of God. Amen 😢❤
This guy is solid! Good talk.
The Holy Spirit is the gift giver.🕊
“Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind and ‘Love your neighbor as yourself” Luke 10:27💕
Ok but the laying on of hands is very Biblical... plus or in addition to this, do you then not believe in Miracles and healing.... so you are saying God can't heal someone? Not that I'm a fan of NAR- but I think there are some key components that are being skirted. Just my thoughts... I am from a UPC back ground. I left legalism, but I have not walked away from the power of God through the in filing of the Holy Spirit..... again what I see is a lot of evangelicals have a wonderful knowledge of the word but man are you missing out on the supernatural side of God and vice versa-- Pentecostals are in tuned with the the supernatural side of God, but need more of the word... just my perspective though
This got me thinking, how can you know you are in tune with the supernatural without first being in tune with the natural, otherwise you don’t really know the true nature and charachter of God at all 🤔
exactly, im so against the NAR but I will never deny the power of the Holy Spirit, He has healed me from uncurable diseases. and is so real in my life. pursuing an intimacy with Jesus will answer many questions, people like to follow what others say only and rationalize God. We have to test with the word and also have faith that He didn’t stop being God after revelation. People in persecution in other parts of the world know this, Americans will soon learn this too. this reductionistic view of God, neglects His sovereignty. not everyone will get healed, not everyone will not get their healing. God knows what’s best for each and to glorify Him. He is no atm blessing transaction machine. He is GOD. and will do as He wants.
@@JohannaRobles11 amen sister!