Its been a while, but I saw this trending on Social Media and had been wanting to make a video on the 90s in a while. Hope you guys enjoy it and Thanks for Watching!!!
Good to see you post. Wasn't sure if you quit or something. I may not agree with all your videos but they're always well researched and your articulate your thoughts well. What era of basketball did you grow up watching?
And if you’re gonna quote Dennis Rodman, quote everything. He also said that “LeBron would be just an average player in the 90’s”. Which I believe is ridiculous but we’re quoting Rodman, right?
@@Poopopotamusgaming And please understand, I’m not even trying to say that the 90’s were a “better era” than this current one. I’m just saying, a lot of his takes are biased.
Those 2 quotes are about 30 years apart. So no, the latter is not worth mentioning. Furthermore, the quote I mentioned was backed up with facts and came from Dennis Rodman at a time when he was sober.
You know that’s another thing I noticed 2k makes 60s 70s 80s 90s players move slow and stiff asf compared to players after the 90s lol the only exceptions are MJ,Dr J and Magic Johnson. Even 2k knows the games evolved
I mean, in the 90s players were not allowed to take several extra steps or carry the ball the way players do nowadays. I think when people appreciate 90's basketball, that is part of what they look back on fondly. Also, I would not agree with the statement that hand checking is bad defense, if it is allowed, then of course teams should do it. Also, given that offensive players are at such an extreme advantage nowadays, I wish teams would bring it back.
1. Carrying stopped being called over 40 yrs ago. The only players who weren't carrying were the players from the 60-70s. Everybody after that carries to some extent. Magic, Isaiah, Bird, Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, Steph, Luka...etc. 2. Hand checking is literally a built-in foul. You are putting your hand on someone's hip and impeding progress.
@@BasketballExaminedDo you really think guys like Magic and Isiah carried in any way CLOSE to everybody today? A laughable assertion. And you didn't address traveling
@@BasketballExamined AI got called for carrying quite often with his signature crossover. Plus, players back then weren't doing anything anywhere near as egregious as players are today. What we're seeing today is just a little short of the dribbling they were doing in the And1 Mixtapes from the later 90s/early 2000s.
@@jansmitowiczauthor78 1. Malboro and Malboro lights are both unhealthy and full of nicotine. Carrying, whether its a little or a lot, is still carrying. 2. Travelling isn't as prevalent as people think it is. At all. If you have stats that say otherwise compared to the 90s, I'd like to see it.
@@BasketballExaminedthats such a stupid analogy. Players were called for traveling if they carried the ball and you know it. You also know that until this current era, it was 2 steps when moving towards the rim to attempt a layup or dunk but now it's 3-4 steps in any direction you like. Yaw started this crap by nitpicking the 91 finals. Now go watch the first qtr of that game and notice the 4 different traveling violations that were called. Every play today commits worse traveling violations than what was called in that game. Every single play of every game today. Again, quit nitpicking. Could do that with any game today but it's petty.
There was a maximum of 20 players in the 90’s with signature moves and I’m being generous. Majority of the league had predictable offensive schemes. Modern era you never know what you’re going against. Drop D. Rose in the 90’s bulls and they’d swear he was the GOAT.
@@cmoneytheman you have to actually play to have a “signature move “ wich 90 percent of the players these days barely can even play. Bunch of flopping crybabies who love load management. Not to mention they travel n carry all over the place n can’t play a lick of defense
Okay so I love that you are back but a couple points: We were are able to see a LOT of games. Bulls had nationally televised games on WGN they showed nearly every game. The Hawks had TBS showing their home games. We still had TNT friday night games and Sunday games on NBC. We cant just put these guys in this era who are BETTER shooters with space and place them in a physical era. You cant just juxtapose players who can shoot now and say they would be great. You bring up Steph and say how would it be if he was on the Jazz instead of Stockton but it was 1) a slower pace which means each possession means more (you won't be able to shoot 15 3s a game 2) and more importantly the physicality HAS to be accounted for. Steph has always had ankle issues in fact the reason why his 2nd contract was so cap friendly was because he had issues staying healthy consistently. Now place this in an era where there isn't any freedom of movement, players can put their hands and forearms into you to redirect you, hard fouls in the paint that arent flagrant fouls, no 3pt landing space protections, no "gather" steps to allow you to take 3 steps for a stepback 3 and you get a different result. Would Steph be able to play in the 90s? Absolutely you had guys like Bobby Sura playing but would he be at or exceed what he is now because of the "inferior" talent in the 90s? With rule changes and philosophy in that era I don't believe so.
Bruh don't be nice about this. This dude's analyses are terrible it's unbelievable. Years ago he had some decent stuff but maybe the long break dulled his analytic skills. The televised game statement had my mouth hanging for like 5 mins I couldn't believe he said that shit. Like we were in the 40's or something and only consumed sports by radio. If anything people don't view the games in their entirety today because of short attention spans and highlight videos. He was so disingenuous it was hard to even finish the video. He brought up Reggie Miller as if he was some average player or a bum. So how about when he played against Barkley, Drexler or Magic? I mean wtf? I'm in disbelief.
@tedroscourt1205 yea he made it seem like we only got 1 game a week. Also using talk sports shows like First Take is not really a positive toward this era when its Bron vs Jordan ad nauseum. Media coverage is dominated by outrage and trolling because clicks + views = $$$ I liked some of his other stuff but putting 4 or 5 quotes with a great beat in the background does not make it any more true
We had a satalite dish in our back yard watched every single game , over 4000 channels from across the world , lots of people had dishes in the 90s a lot more had cable ...but still games were televised , I got a bunch on vhs as I would record them
The viewership ratings say people are done with the 2020’s. Modern All-Star weekends says people are done with the 20’s. Load management where players complain about playing more than 65 games but are supposed to be healthier than past says the players are done with the 20’s while still being in the league.
Viewership rating doesn't account for overseas viewership, and online viewership (TH-cam, Hulu, illegal streaming sites...etc). It's only taking into account TV ratings. The 90s are always gonna win because that's all they had.
@@BasketballExamined good points, yet TNT said they don’t need the NBA right before contract negotiations. I don’t believe the other US leagues are having the same problems. The league isn’t as interesting anymore. Also the player empowerment results in less people being invested in the teams in their own cities & more invested in superstars with no loyalty to those cities. Plus load management means that you might not even see those superstars when you paid good money to.
"Respectfully, I believe there's a misconception here about 90s NBA basketball. First, regarding Patrick Ewing's weight, while it's true that weight can be an advantage, it's not the only factor in determining a player's effectiveness on the court. Defense, lateral speed, quickness, and arm length also play crucial roles. Ewing, for example, was known for his incredible defensive skills and presence in the paint. As for Shaquille O'Neal, while he may not have been celebrated primarily for his defense, his sheer size and strength were undeniably impactful. Conversely, Tayshaun Prince wasn’t the heaviest player but was renowned for his defensive prowess, thanks to his agility, speed, and long arms. This demonstrates that defensive skill in the NBA isn’t solely dependent on a player's weight or physical bulk. Each era of the NBA has its unique characteristics and strengths, and it’s unfair to diminish the skills and talents of players from the 90s. They played within the context and style of their time, just as players do today. Let’s appreciate and respect the diversity and evolution of the game." --- This response acknowledges the other person's point while offering a different perspective, emphasizing respect for players across different eras. It's always more effective to engage in constructive conversations rather than confrontational ones, especially in online discussions.
This video makes some disingenuous comparisons. For example apparently the expansion teams made the top teams have great records yet those expansion teams had better records than the worse teams in the 2000s onwards. Brons cavs won 66 games but all you hear is how trash that team was. Hardens rockets won 60 plus games but didn’t win the chip. Are we going to say those team’s records are inflated because of poor talent in the league? This years pistons and wizards record wise are some of the worst in nba history. Does that show a lack of quality in todays game? It has nothing to do with lack of quality. Its simply the way the game is played today. The rules and the spacing make scoring easier. Its not better its just different. And that argument about stronger more athletic etc is just a myth
Everything you said is accurate and I'll add. The 90s had expansion teams. Ok and? The Lebron era had teams that tanked. Also just looking through this guy's channel he's obviously a Lebron fan. So I guess this video is just one giant troll peace
*apparently the expansion teams made the top teams have great records* - False, what I said was that the lack of talent created a lot of bad teams. Didn't say they were expansion teams.
@@BasketballExamined you literally had a whole section talking about how the expansion teams took good role players off good teams and created mediocre teams and weakened good teams. And started showing teams like the sonic and spurs and then comparing them with teams in later eras. How did they create a lot of bad teams when teams in that era had better records? If this era so great how come there are so many teams with poor records in the league today?
@@andrewufot5617 woosh. The point is that the expansion created a vacuum of spots in the league. Suddenly, by the mid 90's, there were four extra rosters (15 x 4 = 60 NBA players) that had to be filled but the world of basketball training (for lack of a better term) wasn't prepared to "create" 60 high quality players. The result is that the many teams struggled to field quality players. In the late 90's, the Utah Jazz became a dominant force with two aging stars, that's not weird to you? In the early 90's that same exact team was nowhere near as competitive. The Heat, Magic, Charlotte, and Minny didn't have to be the ones with crappy players but they created the void. Nature abhors a vacuum and over the decades, those 60 spots have been filled (via better training and the rise of international players.) This same phenomenon will happen in the 2020's with expansion, the league will be getting worse in a few years.
seems like the youg kids are the ones stuck on this.. the old heads are just saying it was better before. thats not a fact and its not false either. ratings have been the lowest in the last 5 years, with 2020 being the LOWEST EVER.. the 90s had the HIGHEST ratings EVER.. the highest period of ratings for the NBA was from 1982 to 2001. since 2001 not ONE year has had higher ratings than the LOWEST YEAR from 1982 to 1 2001.. you guys talk about how good todays NBA is but nobody is watching. you guys just catch the highlights. -im just guna copy and paste cuz this is ridiculous.
seems like the youg kids are the ones stuck on this.. the old heads are just saying it was better before. thats not a fact and its not false either. ratings have been the lowest in the last 5 years, with 2020 being the LOWEST EVER.. the 90s had the HIGHEST ratings EVER.. the highest period of ratings for the NBA was from 1982 to 2001. since 2001 not ONE year has had higher ratings than the LOWEST YEAR from 1982 to 1 2001.. you guys talk about how good todays NBA is but nobody is watching. you guys just catch the highlights. -im just guna copy and paste cuz this is ridiculous.
@@soramirez5473 i think you are srill old. Sure the ratong has dropped a little becaise theres no mj. He bring viewers, jist like curry kobe and lebron. The main thing rating has dropped is because of illegal streaming web online. Most People no longer pay to watch nba.
@@WestbrickFansGotNoBrains a little? the ratings have dropped a little? from 1982 to 2001, the lowest rating was 12.1 (without jordan, WITH Jordan it was around 16-18)... after 2001, it has NEVER reached 12 again.. the LAST 4 YEARS it hasnt reached 7.. 2020 was the lowest in history at 4... These are finals ratings.. people today are NEARLY as interested in THIS basketball like people were in the 80s and 90s.. thats a fact.. no matter HOW OLD I AM..
@@WestbrickFansGotNoBrains Oh so people stream now adays.. ok cool. back then people listened to the game ON THE RADIO.. lol.. and THOSE numbers are not included in the TV RATINGS ive been giving you.. face it. ppl just dont care about the NBA anymore.. Lebron has NEVER made the finals a high rating.. Kobe better than lebron but not as good as the 90s.. back then we WATCHED the entire games.. lISTENED to the entire games.. you guys just wathc HIGHLIGHTS.. disgusting..
and being old is not an insult. it just means ive lived longer than you, and have more experience.. and that is a FACT.. ive been your age.. you have not been mine.. ;)
Is he defending the atrocious defense we seeing daily? You can't make this shit up. This is all about money not skill. Luka ain't more skilled he's just a cash cow. You need big stats if you wanna sell jerseys 😂 skill. Lmao these players just spam threes. That's not skill. Tf is bro talking about
Fans love the offensive side of sports, the same reason the NFL opened the game for more touchdowns. The fans clearly love more touchdown, points, and home-runs rather than defensive players. MLB didn't listen after the 1990s and it's fallen behind the NBA
@Jaysolate at the end of the day, professional sports is a business, and fans who buy jerseys, attend games, purchase team gear, and viewership. I watch WNBA games, I love the sport of basketball, and more fans aren't junkies like me. Haven't you noticed that every championship team all of sudden has a major fanbase during the winning years and not the losing years.
The one thing all of these types of era bashing videos have in common is that they’re FULL of lies. Like it’s insane that these people think the general sports fan is this stupid. Wow.
How it it lies when all of the rules changes and expansion did happen? Remember Miami, Toronto and charlotte weren’t legit playoff teams and had decent talent until the start of the millennium
@@ksmith4343the 90s defenders rarely have actual facts to disprove what was said . In my experience they often go into attacking the person they disagree with rather than dissecting the fallacies they see in the argument or they don’t engage in the discussion at all , they’ll just say it’s stupid or make a subjective statement about their perspective and act as if it’s an objective statement because someone else believes the same thing and when you have social proof or the majority on your side it’s easy to dismiss the unpopular opinion and stick with what you’d like to believe over facts that contradict that belief.
@jujuthedude facts and 70 percent of them weren't even alive when jordan played. Jordan is a great player but his legacy is starting to become more like a fictional character then a nba player.
@@jujuthedudeThe one question I have though: The teams he mentioned as winning 60+ games but being worse than other teams of the same record in different eras (Sonics, Suns, and Heat, among others): Could those teams have still made the playoffs if the whole conference they were in was better?
Lol well why can’t the athletes lead the league in scoring? It’s not as if the league is catered towards non athletes more than elite athletic freaks. Heck, if you are an athletic freak AND skilled, you should be able to dominate more than ever before if the rim is so wide open right? Weird that all of the best players aren’t the best athletes.
@schuylersavage276 because they gave the non-athletes an unfair advantage by allowing them to travel to put up these stupid double step-back threes. Everybody wasn't born with Wembanyama's length & athleticism to contest these shots. And if you fart near them, they'll give you a 5 game suspension. Yes, this NBA is amazing.
I agree with the general sentiment of the video. I'm gonna slightly push back on the whole "drop players as-is in different eras" part. The players today have medical and technical advantages. If KD had torn his Achilles back then, he isn't a star anymore. Curry's early career ankle issues would've had more an affect on him. I do agree that star players would adapt to any era though.
Dropping players into different eras as is is a lazy argument and it's only goal is to punish players from the later era for having the audacity to be born when they were. Let's see what happens in 20-30 years when the young fans then try to say that same stupid shit about the guys we're watching now. I guarantee very few of today's fans will like hearing that thrown back in their faces.
kd would not be a star anymore post achilles in the 90s? lol u do realize kobe was not even close to the same post achilles right? KDs great recovery has more to do with his light frame not putting pressure on that achilles and he does not have a physical style of play. the curry statement is also damn near ridiculous. there have been many players that have had ankle and achilles injuries in this modern era that have never been the same. so the advantages somehow did not work for them??? it seems as if your forcing point to oppose what your opposing in this video.
@@dominicharris5489 KD's recovery had more to do with medical advancements than anything else and trying to argue otherwise is wrong. Tearing an Achilles was a death sentence to anyone's career back in the 80s and 90s and even 00s. Most people never played after it happened and those that did were nowhere near the level they were pre-injury. The perfect example of the advancements in medical technology is the Joe Thiesmann and Alex Smith injuries. Pretty much the exact same injury and they were about the same age when they happened. Theismann never played again but Smith did, grabted after a long tough road to recovery and nearly dying but he still came back to play. KD's light frame certainly helped, but 25 years ago he's done as an elite player after tearing an Achilles.
@@davidmartinez52420 sir, explain to me why kobe was never even close to the same player post achilles if he is in the same era with all these medcal advantages and advancements that u speak of??? he averaged 27ppg the season he popped it and was not close to that afterward and was terribly inefficient post achilles, how was dominique wilkins still dominant after popping his achilles if they were at such a disadvantage medically etc etc???? u do realize there are literal occurrences that clearly contradict what your saying right??
Welcome back after to the basketball world. I have never been disappointed in any of your videos as much as I am with this one. You put up the definition of BIAS and proceeded with a statement that embodied that same definition. Every era will have it's ups and downs, to help better the game and this is true for all sports. You make wishful analysis and compare apple to oranges. I heard you once mentioned "Chasing the ghost in Chicago", what are you chasing with this video?
Been a fan of your content brother. But your argument have a lot of flaws in the player comparisons and the play in the different eras. KD for one even though being a great shooter may have issues because physicality is his kryptonite. There is almost no defense being played today. Some the players being branded stars are just good average players. A lot of talent is in the league but the more skilled players are foreigners. It’s all 3s and layups. We have bigs being called great dribblers when there are a lot of carrying. Few teams in the league play defense but the league is more offense oriented because uses you can’t touch anyone.
*KD for one even though being a great shooter may have issues because physicality is his kryptonite* - I disagree, but sure. Take out KD and put Kawhi instead, like I said in the video, Now what? *Some the players being branded stars are just good average players* - Such as? *the more skilled players are foreigners* - Besides Jokic, Luka, Wemby & Embiid, who else is there? Everybody else is domestic. *It’s all 3s and layups* - Yeah, those are the best shots to take. *We have bigs being called great dribblers when there are a lot of carrying* - Carrying stopped being called over 40 yrs ago. The only players who weren't carrying were the players from the 60-70s. Everybody after that carries to some extent. Magic, Isaiah, Bird, Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, Steph, Luka...etc. *Few teams in the league play defense* - If a team's strategy is to be more offensive minded, there's nothing wrong with that. It's their strategy.
We can agree to disagree. Like I said there’s a lot of holes in some of your argument. It’s hard to compare players because of the eras. I am no tubers but I can find vids of players contradicting some of what’s being said in your vid. Incase you don’t realize the nba is a star based league and not too focused on team basketball. Most euro players in the nba are more skilled than you realized but are in a league that they have to conform to. When I speak of skill I’m talking basketball fundamentals that a lot of these new players seem to lack and I see it almost every night because of the way the league has changed. They are more athletic I will attest to that but there’s a lot lacking still.
@@dappa3ten It's not difficult to compare eras, nor is it a significant difference, a period of 20 years, for example. LeBron has been in the league for 20 years; he came into the league when Jordan officially left, and he still dominates the league. What does that say? He has the same numbers now as he did then. Kobe started in the 90s; he played against Jordan and against Curry. Was Kobe trash during the 2010s when the game changed compared to the 90s? Of course not. Players with long careers prove that the 'can't compare eras' argument is total nonsense.
"It’s all 3s and layups - Yeah, those are the best shots to take. " *WRONG* ! The layup is the best shot to take, because you're right at the basket, so the probability of you making the shot is extremely high. Analytics tell us the three is the next best shot to take. But we have seen time and time again in the playoffs where teams that shoot a lot of threes get in trouble in crunch time when the stakes are at their highest and three is not falling. The Golden State Warriors had TWO of the best three point shooters of all time on their team in the 2016 Finals and struggled to get a basket in the closing minutes of game 7. I have more examples of this throughout NBA history, but one example is all I need. @@BasketballExamined
@@BasketballExaminedLeBron James on a podcast said there’s players today who can’t play basketball. Words that came from his mouth. You are going to debate LeBron on that?
Cherry picked quotes, stats, talking points. So many other videos have debunked all of these points already. Recommend examining some of those. Nostalgia can definitely play a factor in romanticizing the 90s... But, y'all are just gonna have to figure that out when the next generation comes up and craps all over this era 🤷 it's inevitable. Recency bias is also a thing...
We'll show respect like the 50s-60s showed 80s-90s. Funny yall can't show it back though, but we'll be the bigger men. Ive never seen the great Bill Russell or tiny Archibald, or Billy Cunningham say a negative word about that era. But 80s-90s niggas love saying how much better they are every chance they get.
recency bias is irrelevant. we watch the full series from 80s and 90s on youtube. we saw it sooner than yall saying this is relevant because youre stuck in the 90s lmao. which adds to the nostalgia argument. lol!
The numbers completely disagree with you tho. There hasn't been a player record 200+ steals in a season since 2009, but every single season in the 90's besides maybe the shortened season, there were multiple players with 200-300 steals every season. You can pretend that comes from physical defense, but even with that physical defense there were 4 players in 1990 that recorded more points than last seasons points leader. How is it that Jordan can score 2,753 points in a season, while Embiid only scores 2,183 points in a season, and they both avg 33ppg?! Last year's blocks leader recorded 193 blocks and there hasn't been a player record 300+ blocks in 21 years... But between 90'-97' there were 12 instances of a player recording 300+ blocks in a season
You dumb dingus if guys are getting 200-300 steals in a season HOW BAD IS THE PLAYMAKING ON THESE TEAMS🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️it’s like yall just be old and stupid an abundance of stats is not always as good as it looks you the type to think somebody averaging 10+APG is a good thing whole time what averaging that many assists REALLY means is that your team SUCKS and then need 1 specific player on the team to force feed them shots because they have no other way to score this is why no one other than magic has ever won a ring averaging more than 9APG yall were brainwashed by the media into viewing basketball in the dumbest ways possible
Omg! 😯 It's been forever! I almost gave up on you guys but I knew I couldn't 😔. Your posts are too intellectual 🤓 and epic for me to do that however freaking rare 😭
yawwwwwwwn.... stop it... if you watched the 80,90,200's and now, you'd easily know that the current league is garbage... everyone shooting 3's, no one playing defense, load management, stars to scared to join dunk contest, all-star game with no defense, players with no really winning history getting massive contracts....
I started playing in 1990 and stopped in 2023. Modern players are far superior than the ones I grew up idolizing. But you’re probably less likely to know this if you’ve never played competitive basketball..
Lots of arguments are valuable in both sens. -Skills : it's not about potential but formation and training methods that have improved. Actual players or stars aren't less or more talented in that sens, but they don't start from the same point in the evolution of basketball, they work more, or more efficiently on some aspects, less on some others, and they're not allowed to do the same things as in the past (for example : carrying, travels, handshake). -Defense : It was harder to score in the 90' in the sens that there were usually 3 or 4 guys in the paint. There were not spacing due to 3 point threat. 3 point line was introduced 10 years before and lots of players have not trained that aspect of the game since their childhood. As they were tall, they often plays center until college, so, they worked more on rebound, playing back to the basket, fade away, than long shot. 3 point was more considered as a gadget or a risky way to climb a point deficit than a deadly weapon. (Even with that, there were very efficient shooters in the70', 80' and 90', even big mens. Nowerdays, you have many kids that tries to imitate Curry, James, Durant and many others since their childhood, are encoraged by coachs to do so, and trained more efficiently during all the years they learn basketball). So there were potentially as many rim protection as with zone defense. Except that NBA didn't allow full zone defense. 3-2 zone is allowed, but 2-3 or 2-1-2 is restricted by a 3 second violation. It's not the same than in NCAA. Jordan faced zone in NCAA and that didn't restrict him to be one of the best players of his generation, score in the paint or midrange shot (his coach's collective philosophy restricted more in scoring), so zone would'nt have restricted him that much. The other argument is that Jordan benefits of the rising of isolation play and some rules in favor of scoring. Iso play is often considered as the cause of the downfall of scoring and ennoying ways to play. But it was also as much difficult to contain an all-star in M2M with the possibility of handshake than to defend in zone without handshake. The main argument of physicality in the 90' is that many of nowerdays players would have had to deal with lots of contact and injuries and wouldn't have as healthy long and efficient carriers. In the other hand players from the 90' would have been still efficient during more years. They also wouldn't have less restrictions in scoring. The argument of defense of Khawi and Giannis is also true. And that's why I consider the problem is more in the nature and phylosophy of rule change since the 90' than in the game and players themself. NBA commissionner had a logic to favor offense scoring and highlights in the point that the game looks like more to an all star week end combining lazy defense, 3point-shootout and dunk contest, than a hard battle that involved talent, physicality, high strategical and tactical levels, court vision, to conqueer each baskets. More rules that favor defense, allow unrestricted zones, healthy handshakes allowed, more strict rules about carrying, travels and flopping, combined with modern and more efficient shoot selection, more 3' that unefficient 2, then more spacing, player and ball movement, would be cool and would more reflect and increase of the efficiency of the game without external help as rule changes. -Expansion : more team means weaker draft selection, weaker pool of player and more dumb team : it's valuable non only in the 90' but from the 90' to today. -Height of Point guard : The average point guard height in NBA hasn't changed since the 60'-70'. It oscillate around 6'2, sometimes clother to 6'1 and sometimes to 6'3. 5 guys under 6'0 or 5'9 wouldn't change a lot of things. If they reach the NBA, it's because they were highly athletic and skilled. Many of them had their carreer broken by injuries because of physicality. So with the context of modern era, they just would have hand more longevity. Spudd Web, had a 46 vertical jump, was quite speed and was 16 point 7 assists at his peak. Damon Stoudamire had a 13 pt and 6 assist carreer and in a deep roster in portland, and some 20 point 9 assists in Toronto. Bogues had 10point/10assists at is peak, he had speed and good 44inch. vertical jump and was recognized as a good defender. All these undersized point guards had their place in the pool of players, as Iverson had his own as an undersized shooting guard, Barkley, Rodman and Draymond Green as undersized Power Forward, And were perhaps more impcatful as some PJ.Tucker who was mostly undersized at the Center position in when he played with the rockets. There were certainly the same debate beetween the 90' and 2020' than with the 60' and 80' or 90' with the introduction of 3 point line. It's true that the 90' is overrated in some ways to stay alive the Jordan GOAT Legend, as it's the case of modern NBA to favor James GOAT and Curry's Legend, and other rising stars, the case of 2000'/early 2010' for Bryant, Shaq, Duncan, Iverson, Garnett, the case of the 80' to revive Magic&Bird's rivalry and the fastbreak basketball. The main criticism is that as scoring has become more easier nowerdays due to rules change and better analysis of shot chart efficiency, people tends to think that players, All-stars, and Hall of Famers, are better today than in the 90'. They're probably not better not worth. Curiously, it's the basketball of the 50-60-70 that is highly underrated compared to what it was. 70' looks like 80', the ABA was fun and ahead of his time, and you'll find some unexpected gestures, no look passes, adrives and jumps, and players movements since the 50-60'.
From the very bottom of my heart, I do not at all believe anyone would be going to these lengths to shit on the 90s if it wasn't for the GOAT debate and LeBron fans being unable to make their case without a hefty helping of diminishing other players. The 70s was the decade widely agreed to be the worst decade of all time, but now conveniently it's the 90s. The 70s saw 9 total teams join the league, the 4 ABA teams and then 5 brand new teams. of course, only those 4 ABA teams were mentioned.
I think Lebron and mj are equally overrated but 90s basketball and before was trash I give credit to wilt and bill Russell because they wasn’t working with nothing yet still dominated. But the 90s was just Jordan having too many advantages over them payers that haven’t evolved past the 80s that’s all it ever was
Honestly never expected such a video of this channel with false equivalencies as talking points. Yes some things are nostalgia based just like being a prisoner of the moment is about as strong, but this is dishonest.
@@BasketballExamined Thanks for taking the time to respond. First of all I wanted to state that with the defensive metrics, the 90's seem to be consistently 3rd best in about all of them. Putting all of them next to each other or randomly counting it up, it points to the 90's being the second best behind the 00's which isnt weird because both of these era's obviously overlap in certain playstyle and rules. I at least surely didnt conclude the 90's defensive metrics being overrated, especially when you compare it to this era, which has the worst in almost all of them. As for false equivalencies is for example claiming that a potential lack of skilled defense and thus a more physical approach meaning less actual skilled defenders, would also mean that it would be easier to score in the 90's when less skilled defenders due to physicality could still impact defense whereas today you cannot and ofc, more 'skilled' defense does not mean its harder to score than against physical defense. Every single one of us that has played basketbal know its harder to score on physical defense even if it may be less skilled. You stating players like Kawhi would be even better in the 90's defensively? He 1000% wouldve, because thats what happens when you add physicality to that level. I never really saw people make the point that defenses in the 90's were more 'skilled', but that it was harder to score in the 90's, which it simply was. There is a solid logical reason that the 90's and 00's had the lowest scoring outputs, something you didnt mention at all, when the 00's were not limited by the league expanding. Also the statement that there were significantly less good offensive players simply due to a lack of talent, which is only partly a reason. The biggest reason is that unless you were out of the ordinary skilled offensively, they would rather just draft another big body defender or ofc an actually good defender because that just impacted the game more in regards of how the game was played. Players such as Kerr only got a chance because they were shooting extremely efficiently. Also the statement about putting players of this era in the 90's and expecting them to shoot 3's when if they wouldve played in the 90's, they wouldve been born in the late 70's and probably just wouldnt shoot 3's and certainly not at the volume they do today. “There was a point, I believe, you know probably in the late nineties when the game became too physical,” Silver says. “I think for our fans, we lost some of the aesthetic enjoyment of the game. It de-emphasized the particular skill a player had and maybe weighted too heavily on physicality, where a big, strong player could come in and prevent an incredibly skilled player from doing those kinds of things.” The commissioner would go on to single out superstar Steph Curry, who’s one of the league’s most skilled scorers and ball handlers. He says that if guys could just “bang him and knock him to the ground,” it would limit his ability to shoot and to move around in the paint." The rules were changed so that skilled offensive players like Curry can shine. Stating that putting him in the 90's would make him even better, seems illogical to me especially considering he'd shoot most his shots from midrange in an era they were allowed to manhandle you. Curry obviously would still be a great player, but better??? As a defensive player, it would benefit you to play in the 90's. As an offensive player, it would benefit you to play today. Doncic for example claims the 3 second rule to be the biggest factor in why he think the NBA is easier to score in than Europe today, the 3 seconds rule that didnt exist in the 90's. He says he basically waits for attacking the paint till the big men clears, in his eyes making it way easier to penetrate. People say players had an open lane to the basket in the 90's which is a lie, because there were actually big men waiting for you in the paint. You clearly took MJ's remark on this and when he said this out of context. Imagine a clear zone AND no 3 seconds AND no spacing. Ofc he wouldnt have scored the points he did, because nobody wouldve born in that era no matter who it is. Added, they sure as hell did play zone in the 80's and 90's. Not as clearly as today, but they used tons of loopholes for it and you could see it being used during the playoffs quite consistently. Hell the 'Jordan rules' basically worked solely due to a sneaky zone defense and the no 3 secs rule. If not they couldve been physical all they want, but without the ability to clog the lane that wouldnt have meant that much.
The best players still might make the league, but their tendencies would probably be different (less longer midrange shots in particular, and point guards would probably be asked to shoot more). The players that were lower tier starters would probably be on the bench, and the guys who were on the bench would probably be out of the league.
@@cmoneythemanIf they were coming up or of playing age today, they might have grown up watching different players and their tendencies might be different
“The difference between Isaiah Thomas and muggys bogues is 6 inches”. Bro, are you forgetting to mention that Isaiah thomas also averaged *30 ppg* in a season in the modern era with 2x all stars and a second all nba team selection. Muggsy hasn’t even received an nba award.
5’9 and 5’3 is a humongous difference, and Mugsy had a longer career as a starter than IT did, he really had 1 great year and 1 good year and thats it. Muggsy was a consistent starter and didnt bounce around the league
I’m not going to lie having a 5’3 person in your league is very bad that’s like middle schooler heck even elementary schooler height lol. That’s not even average height. At least Isiah Thomas is the average height
Lol brother.. Kd is my 2nd alltime favorite player. Only behind the greatest 6 ft and under player the game has ever seen. In the "overrated", The Answer, Allen Iverson. Didn't just two years ago we saw KD get swept in the 1st round. To an extremely tough and physical defense lead by Jayson Tatum? So he couldn't overcome that level of defense, once again, lead by Jayson Tatum. Very reminiscent of an era that we're "done with", and is composed of alot of "mediocrity".. but i digress. lol. And you want us to believe, if put on that 98' Pacers team. That he would've influenced the outcome positively enough. That they'd would've had a higher probability, of beating the UnStopABulls?! Some will perceive your eloquence as intelligence (not saying you're overall ignorant). But brother, you're coming off extremely ignorant, with some of these takes. It's just too much hyperbole and "what ifs".. and not enough substance. P.s. i still liked the video. Due to the time and effort you put into this "We done with the 90's" exposé. But alot of this is so misinformed, to say the least. And yes. 34 year old John Stockton.. is just as great, if not greater in some areas. As 34 yr old Steph Curry. Alltime assist and steals leader, for a reason. And super clutch, when needed. Something brother Wardell has always been diametrically opposed to (defense and clutchness). Peace brother.
Man I don't want to hear any of this nonsense, when I constantly watch guys refuse to put any pressure on the ball once it's inbound. The infrequent and lack of defensive communication, poor defensive stances, unnecessary & I'd say gosh awful switching, players not knowing when or how to attack post mismatches consistently or even throw proper inbound passes. These guys need a million screens and have to resort to flopping just to get past defenders just so they can finish in a wide-open lane. Compare International / FIBA rules to the nonsense we have in today's NBA and it's blatantly obvious that it's easier to score with many players lacking basic fundamentals. Almost everything is drive and kick - even on 3 on 1 fast breaks! Why take the easy two points at the rim, when you can kick it out to an open or contested three! That's smart & brilliant basketball! And it's telling that this is the topic that finally brought you out of hiding LMAO. You couldn't make any content on today's NBA, because no one wants to watch this garbage. What did today's players look like in FIBA? NBA Starters and stars were destroyed by journeymen, but these guys are so much better.
Another dead beat take. Crazy how the only way to validate the ‘skills’ of modern players is to diminish the legends that built the platform they play on.
Crazy how whenever an oldhead speaks on young players who worked hard and made it, they got nothing but hate to say. You old drunks getting it put back on you 😂
did u watch the video? or did u just not hear the many valid points made to validate the skills of modern player without "diminishing" the legends that somehow "built" the platform they play on???? yall are obviously reacting way too emotional and defensive instead of looking at things objectively. emotion is clouding yall judgements.
Comparing eras has always been braindead. It takes any objectivity out of the conversation because it is impossible to use stats to compare. Any argument can always be turned around on its head. A good example is "20's league is better because they score more" proving the offense is better vs "90's league is better because they scored less" proving the defense was better. It's just bad faith to try to engage in slander campaigns on entire eras of the sport. It's admitting that you have no real argument. The only objective differences we CAN measure is height, jump, strength, and speed. All 4 of these have actually stayed the same (which some people will claim it hasn't) but when you look up the stats from the various NBA combines and other measurements. The average stand still vert has been around 28 inches all the way back to the 80's. Average bench press has remained stagnant. Average height has been around since the 70's 6'6-6'7. Currently it is 6'6 and it peaked in 87 at 6'7
There is no argument for anyone being a better NBA player than Michael Jordan, yet. No matter how many videos are made with bias and lies. This era of men clinging to their emotions and being “fans” of people who don’t care that they exist… pathetic.
@@johndavis9321Even if you don’t like 2000’s basketball, I wouldn’t argue it’s more overrated because it never received the same level of acclaim to begin with.
@@johndavis93212000s easily the most talented, best defensive and most unique era of basketball, you literally had players and teams that played almost any style of basketball
Anybody else grow up watching early 2000s basketball? I always felt like that was a slog offensively even as a teenager. I was a Spurs fan so seeing 4 Down for Duncan was so common place that it blew my mind when the offense revamped around 2010 and the "beautiful game" (often referenced in 2014 run) emerged
@@quelaagging8532 oh, man. They had a cool Nike ad after 2014 that said "Too old. Too slow. Too boring. Too fundamental. Too bad" and had the silhouette of the trophy. I'm like "just rack up them championships!" lol
If Charles Barkley teamed up with the Houston rockets before Michael Jordan left to play baseball, how many championships does Charles Barkley have with the dream
Imagine if Clyde, Barkley and Hakeem played together throughout their entire careers. Say what you want about the lower parts of the league being weaker, but those three won 57 games when they were older.
Funny right? It's a new thing for the youngest generations, not just in basketbal but in other sports too all claiming that this era, is the best, which is the only era they actually saw live with their eyes. Nostalgia is something, but being a prisoner of the moment works a lot stronger. One is actually at least based on experience. The other is merely a hunge.
The funny thing about these kind of videos is they’re just as one sided and biased, if not more, than the old heads who make videos talking about how great the 80’s/90’s were lol Y’all really need to get a life and just learn the appreciate both the past and the present. Every era has their hang ups. Especially since in 20-30 years, the younger generation then will be nitpicking this era the exact same way. Then y’all will be as butthurt as the old dudes are now 🤣
hows it one sided and biased, lets actually hear some counter arguments, i dont wanna see a grown man in his 50ths crying, actually counter the points😂
@@nziking2267 I’m not 50, kid. But I’m also not a tide pod eating “Zoomer”. I don’t make videos but I could gladly point you in the direction of one that actually makes both sides look rather dumb 🤷🏾♂️
@@IAmMe0221 You literally wrote a whole paragraph disagreeing with the video. You literally crying in the comment section of a video that doesn’t agree with your opinion. Like I said don’t watch it. But you couldn’t resist and you think your opinion means something so you wrote it out seeking validation. Stop crying and go make your own videos. You whining but “we say anything”.
I started watching ball in the 90s. I loved the sport. Eventually got season tickets in 00’s. Watched other teams play as well. But as the 2010’s wore on I found myself caring less and less and I realized I just don’t like the type of game being played. I don’t like the personalities and individuals. I don’t like the super teams. And I don’t like the politicization of the sport. I went from a super fan to actively hoping for its failure. And judging by the rating I’m not the only one…
Don’t even get me started. I’ve been a huge sports fan since the 90s. Basketball was my favorite sport and I was obsessed with playing and watching it. I still watch the other sports that I used to watch in the 90s. I can’t even watch a NBA game now even if I have a heavy bet on it. That’s how boring this current product is. It ain’t nostalgia.
@@mattc5647 I do t remember mentioning the 80s… I started watching in the 90s. There was only one super team. The Bulls. And they drafted their talent for the most part. And while I got a little tired of Jordan being so dominant you had to respect their organization and how they built their team.
@@rafikz77 yeah. I’m nostalgic for 2011 😂 in all honest the 00s were the best in my eyes. Good teams. Good parity. Nobody manufacturing super teams. That ended with Miami, though arguably the Celtics big three started all this nonsense.
Comparing eras/decades is stupid to me.... the evolution of basketball is not set by decades... stop putting the game in a box....... its a slow progression and evolution due to emphasis on skill sets, past knowledge and rule changes...
I expected better of this channel after being a fan for many years for your older content. The argument you make about the teams Jordan faced is genuinely one of the worst arguments I have seen in an NBA debate because it rests on a totally unverifiable counterfactual. What if the Pacers had Kawhi or the Jazz had Steph Curry is as pointless as asking if LeBron would have won in 2012 if the Thunder had a prime Gary Payton as opposed to a young James Harden, if he would have won in 2013 if the Pacers had a prime Reggie Miller or if LeBron would have won in 2016 if the Warriors had Malone or Barkley or Kemp. A completely pointless argument biased against Jordan and his accomplishments
hes making the counterfactual because of expansion diluted the league. That means the teams he played against were weaker than if expansion didnt take place. imagine if the current 30 team league had the 6 worst teams disband. And the players are distributed to the rest. So the Hornets, Pistons, Wizards, Spurs, Blazers and Grizzlies had all its best players join the other 24.
@@ouchh35 makes no sense because jordan beat the pistons with 3 hof, dpoy, and 5 past multiple time all-stars then went on to beat the lakers with 3 all-star players in the finals. He faced the portland trail blazers with 3 all star level players, and in 93 he was an underdog to the knicks and then faced the suns who were winning 50+ games 4 years straight and then added charles barkley an mvp level player. All of this with only 1 all-star on his own team. LeBron needed to join another top 5 and top 10 player in order to win 2 in miami and choked vs a team with far less talent his first year there... give me a fucking break
90"s was the peak of basketball because the 3-pt line was used but not too much, so there was still unspaced, high traffic situations that required quicker, superior instinct and contested shot-making on 2-pointers (mid-range) that today's players lack and don't develop in today's spaced-out hands-off era.. This gets exposed in international play where there's more physicality and less spacing.. today's players drastically underperformed in this tougher 90's style format (advanced basketball vs today's beginner format
Not being able to shoot and being unskilled doesnt make basketball better. It's literally called basket-ball as in you are shooting a ball in to basket, duh
"This gets exposed in international play" oh you mean the play where the USA routinely wins medals and has dominated year in and year out? We don't send any of our top 5 players year after year and somehow are the favorites in every single tournament but yeah we get slaughtered
@@lucassipe9448 we just lost and it doesn't matter that we don't send our best because the team is full of all-nba players while other teams are lucky to have 1 or the wild exception of 2 - so we have crazy stacked team advantage in talent but barely win and actually just lost in our last big international play (Worlds).. Imagine needing Kobe to save a Lebron/Wade team in 2008 against a team led by 1x all-star and 0x all-nba Pau (before Kobe made him perennial all-nba).. Kobe had expert jumpshooting skill, so he could play off-ball and play off teammates.. Otoh, Lebron's lack of expert jumpshooting skill and the resulting ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win.. That's why zero young players grew from low producers to meaningful producers on Lebron's watch, while jumpshooters like MJ or Curry grow babies like Pippen, BJ, Grant, Klay and Dray into meaningful producers because they don't impose spot-up roles like Lebron (4-6)
The midrange game was more prevalent because of the illegal defense rule... You couldn't double team players. You can run screens until you get a mismatch or an open lane and there's NOTHING the defense can do about it. Get a plumber trying to cover Jordan and he'd cook them off the dribble and pull up mid range for an easy shot... OR he'd drive to the basket and get fouled from a defender rotating late because they HAD to rotate late... Defenses are BETTER today. By a MILE. But so are offenses
In the summer of 2023, Giannis Antetokounmpo paid $50,000 per day to take lessons from Hakeem Olajuwon. Lebum and Dwight Howard, among others, had also taken lessons from Hakeem, who once laughed when they asked him if Lebalco could be compared to Michael Jordan, saying that MJ was a far superior player. It's so funny hearing ignorant young fans (?) saying, "We done with the 90s," when current stars actually pay to take lessons from 90s players.
Thank you for this great insightful analysis. As a 90s kid who grew up loving the 90s NBA, this was a painful eye-opener, but as an objective grown-up who still follows and loves the modern NBA, the comparisons and truly laughable. The only way people can deny it is being nostalgic and biased to an unbearable extent.
cant really blame them though, the Sports media is the main culprit in keeping the "90s was the greatest era" narrative going. Most people don't think for themselves, they fall victim to propaganda and advertising. 90s was a really bad era, but the main reason the media protects it is because of the Jordan brand is worth billions, and he still makes money for people.
Thanks for again another informative video showing facts with sounds logic and evaluation. People are too emotionally attached to overrating the 90s mainly to bolster MJs legacy. Cant really argue against this
TikTok with sounds of logic and evaluation? Yeah and today's league isn't moist as defected maxi-pads after menstruation. Overrate 90s to bolster MJ's legacy? It was the King of the flop who said “Michael Jordan was kind of like that GOD. He was that angel sent from heaven that I kind of used to get me through some of the darkest days that I had.” It was Kevin Durant who said “His skills for the game. His IQ for the game. And his athleticism all combined at once made him a GOD level player. He skill level is unmatched. He’d be the best player in the NBA today." It was Shaq who said "I enjoyed talking smack to everybody except Jordan cause you don’t want to mess with GOD.” It was Kevin Garnett who said “I thought Michael Jordan was Jesus Christ playing to be Michael Jordan.” It was T-Mac who said when he first saw MJ in person "He was glowing and levitating like a GOD." It was Richard Jefferson who said “MJ was a GOD. He still is.” It was Iverson that said “MJ didn't look real. He’s the only person in my life that I ever met who didn't look human to me. I literally saw his aura. It looked like he was glowing.” It was Shannon Sharpe that said "Elevator door opened and its bright. MJ and his wife walked in and Mike is glowing. I was in awe. This man doesn’t seem real. He’s the only man that I’ve ever met - he seem mythical. He levitate and anybody that’s ever met him say the exact same thing.” It was Dwyane Wade that said "Seeing and talking to Jordan is having an out of body experience." It was Jayson Tatum that said "Even when I see Jordan's name come across my phone, it still doesn't seem real." It was Barkley who said after he saw Jordan play at 84 Olympic trials “I just saw something I’ve never seen in my life before.” It was Zach LaVine who said “He was the idol of all idols. I don’t think anybody can touch his legacy or his greatness. I always have MJ as the best player ever.” These are players that have played at the highest level, unlike TikTokers. The reverence MJ attains is Trump brain damage insane. Black Jesus - He who didn't walk on water cause he preferred the air. #GOAT
@@katrinachavez3533 this is too much lip service for me to even think that u believe the shit your saying. i read a halfway then just had to quit. stop talking out of your ass
@@nonamewillbegiven1217 u focusing on the fact that this originated from tiktok and ignoring ALL of the sound logic and facts as proof in this video is.. .to say the least, completely stupid. if im a kid saying this to you thats even worst. im sure your a grown ass man. which makes this embarrassing for you
I'm glad you're back but why would you return to hate on the 90s? It was the most glorious and incredible era of basketball. Players just take practice 3s for half of their possessions now and there are constantly ticky tack fouls...
This is why I love your channel, loved all your videos. Even I cant acknowledge the truth in some of your videos but I respect the truth in all of them.
I've always disagreed that today's players are more skilled or talented than past players. Each era had it's high flyers and exceptional ball handlers and passers. What changed were the rules, money, and the way athletes trained
Well, everyone in the NBA is talented, that's the basic price of admission. But in regards to skill, today's players are just superior. The eye test and efficiency numbers back this up.
The fact that you spoke on the hand check rule like they took it out in 94 let's me know you didn't really watch the game. Hand check was not really abolished till 2004 rule change. Look it up.
@@dewanewelch1744 The shooting numbers were boosted by rule changes and better work ethic from this generation of players. 90's players have admitted time and time again, that they would barely stay after practice to work on their game. Once practice was done, they went home and enjoyed themselves.
@@BasketballExamined 2 things can be true at once. Alot of 90s players were hold over to the 2000s. Those same holds overs once the rules were changed they shoting numbers sky rocketed just like every other wings numbers did after that 04 season. It didn't matter if they had just been drafted or a hold over from the 90s. LOW legit just did a video of this about 3 days ago. Way to many rules and officiating changes have been made to solely chalk the shooting numbers up to just skill alone.
IT being taller than Muggsy is irrelevant because IT is still waaaaaay shorter than the average height of an NBA player. He’s the height of an average male and he still averaged almost 30 a game at his peak less than a decade ago. Coupled with the fact that NBA players now are so much “bigger and stronger”, right? You literally made no point there.
This isn’t the burn you think it is. You’re comparing a 7 year starter to someone who barely lasted 7 years in the league. IT had to have a team built around him that could completely hide him on defense, whereas the league was so bad in bogues’s day people actually claimed he was a decent defender Not to mention how this was never an IT vs Bogues debate, this is about how basically every short nba player except for IT (who again, needed a perfectly crafted team around him) played during the 90s, when competition was objectively watered down compared to other eras
1. *IT being taller than Muggsy is irrelevant* - Ah yes, it's irrelevant to give context when comparing the shortest player in NBA History with anyone else. Got it. 2. *he still averaged almost 30 a game at his peak* - IT was only good for 1 season & that was w/Brad Stevens pulling every trick in the book to hide IT's flaws, which wasn't sustainable. He was the fair in town for a month until the main attraction arrived, and when that came (in the form of Jayson Tatum in the 2017 draft), guess who got shipped out? 3. Selecting Muggsy Bogues as the 12th pick in the 1987 Draft tells you all you need to know about the talent back then. For context, IT was the last pick in the 2011 Draft.
@@HenryZhoupokemon Just like this wasn’t the burn you thought it was. The point is, he used height (or lack thereof, rather) as a means to make his point. IT only lasted 7 or so seasons in the league is only because of his hip injury, which you conveniently left out. And him having his team at the time being built around him is literally a none factor. First of all, isn’t that what a franchise is supposed to do? Build around their best player? Secondly, even earlier in his career with the Kings when that team was built around Boogie Cousins, IT still averaged an efficient 20 a game his last season there. I’m sorry but you made no real point here. Again, he used the fact that short(er) players played in the 90’s. Yet none of those players could even do what IT was doing (offensively) even in his Kings days. So if everything in that era vs 90’s era is better, then there is no reason that IT should’ve been able to score the way he did. And like I mentioned earlier, the average NBA player is “bigger and stronger”. I don’t care what excuse you come up with. The overall point is, that was a biased take.
I guess Earl Boykins at 5'5 never played in the league with LeBron, Carmelo and Wade and one season averaged 15 points per game right? Or Calvin Murphy with the Rockets in the 70s at 5'9. It wasn't just the 90 with short players.
I swear no matter how much truth you tell with the evidence to prove it. Jordan's legacy is bulletproof to his delusional fan base. The 90's are overrated because of one player's marketing was that damn good. Round of applause to Nike and David Stern!
Wilt Chamberlain to Michael Jordan: When I played, they made it harder for me. When you played, they made it easier for you." Just paraphrasing here. Also while I may agree with most if not all the points made here, I also think the 90s are still great. It's just that the league now has officially crowned someone to be the "Face of the League" after Magic and Bird retired. Not saying MJ isn't great, he's amazing! Then couple that with pre social media with only newspapers and TV and articles and books to see. If MJ is playing today, he'd average 50 or something, sure. But the media will be feasting on the fact that he'll be gambling, does crypto, etc. The same way LeBron and other stars today face but with MJ it'll be his off court issues as well as his on court issues. At the end of the day I still view Jordan as one of the GOATs not THE GOAT. Same with LeBron, Wilt, Russell, Magic, Bird, Kareem, etc. I'm born in the mid 90s but even then I don't crown LeBron or Wilt or Russell, etc. as THE GOAT but one of the GOATs. Cause I respect the ones that came before and after. Even if LeBron switched places with MJ. LeBron having his own line of shoes, saved the world with Space Jam, etc. I still wouldn't crown him as THE GOAT. Same applies with any of the GOATs switching places with MJ.
@SirSan2313 exactly how I feel. I'm a 8os kid I loved the 9os and I still do but I also can be honest about what happened. I will not be a prisoner of the past. I always say jordan is the goat but if I had to build a franchise and I had the 1st pick of anyone in nba history I'm taking bron. With all his flaws he is still the better overall player. We can't and shouldn't compare eras. I hate that these fans feel like you have to pick 1. I will not, kobe mike, bird and lebron are the best players I have ever seen and steph is top 10.
seems like the youg kids are the ones stuck on this.. the old heads are just saying it was better before. thats not a fact and its not false either. ratings have been the lowest in the last 5 years, with 2020 being the LOWEST EVER.. the 90s had the HIGHEST ratings EVER.. the highest period of ratings for the NBA was from 1982 to 2001. since 2001 not ONE year has had higher ratings than the LOWEST YEAR from 1982 to 1 2001.. you guys talk about how good todays NBA is but nobody is watching. you guys just catch the highlights. -im just guna copy and paste cuz this is ridiculous.
@soramirez5473 ok, do you judge today's artist on record sales. Is Drake less successful than too short. If you look at physical album sales, he is. There are 3 times the number of games available today. So, one game getting 30 million versus 10 games getting 8 million per game proves what exactly. Ratings are only counting USA viewers, so the rest of the world doesn't count, not even Canada, who has a team. Mjs fan base is the casual nba fan, fans who only watch highlights and nba debates. The fan that barely watched mj and were children a few years removed from watching cartoons when mj played.
The fact is that it was more difficult to score in the 90's. Whether it's because better individual defense, the change of rules, or both. One of the highest stat accumulators, Luka Doncic, says it's far easier to score in the NBA than the Euroleague. The Euroleague plays 90's style basketball.
Lower TV ratings are expected with TH-camTV, HULU, and other streaming sites + illegal streaming. Add to that the fact that NBA games are no longer on channels accessible to the public like CBS, FOX, and NBC (like the NFL), and yeah - that'll do it.
@@BasketballExamined lf ppl want to watch they'll find a way to watch if its good. The NBA sucks now and nobody cares about it expect delusional ppl like you. The product sucks and the all star lowest viewership ever.
@@BasketballExamined1998 finals still averaged more than any modern NBA finals even with those streaming sites. Delete your account. You aren’t even a professional. Nobody cares what you have to say. If they did you would have 1 million subscribers. Good luck getting your that number buddy 😂.
Well I will say the late 90’s early 2000’s set the nba back because everybody was a ball hog. Nobody wanted to team up with each other, everybody wanted to be the star of the team. The excuses they gave was” they can’t team up, everybody is going to want the ball”
You know why you lose this argument, mj won 3 rings with the hard fouls and if we are done with the 90s. Why is it that ratings are at a all time low, ppl are done with basketball, if nba was better in this 2010 era why isn't the ratings higher.
The league may have been more popular in previous eras, but in fairness to today, if all you do is straight up compare raw TV ratings then you’ll end up selling the present moment short.
Decades and years are a human construct. Time is continuum. So by Lebron fanboys logic, 2000 was the start of better basketball because December 31st 1999 could be crossed off the calendar. Just plain idiotic. And the six degrees of seperation doesn’t allow such a major contrast from one decade going into the other. You have many of the same players, the same coaches, former players who become coaches, the same coaching philosophies, the same plays, etc. This is just the latest installment of toxic fan boyism. It wasn’t enough to call these professional athletes “plumbers” but going for the third rail of nihlistic behavior by burning down a whole ten year period is A1 goofyness by this stupid entitled generation.
@@ryanr20091 man, that’s a terrible analogy. You are comparing a cataclysmic event to basketball. We’d all succumb to a giant asteroid hitting the earth. There’s no “survival of the fittest”.
@@capbruhcorn nature selected dinosaurs out placing us in the point. btw that wasn't the first cataclysmic event and won't be the last . Look at the world today and ask yourself would the dinosaurs thrive in this current environment? if the answer is no why or Why not ?
This is without a doubt the best video I've ever seen on the topic of evaluating 90s basketball. Great work. Additional things to consider when comparing eras: advancement in analytics, years of specialization, size of the talent pool, advancement in science (including PEDs and shoes).
@@ballinboxer3676 Just admit you’re soft, you’d probably want football to be flag football. “Tackling is way too dangerous!” The NBA is a mens league, well it’s supposed to be. The modern nba is basically the wnba but with dunking. Soft like Charmin kid.
@@Poopopotamusgaming no I don't want to see people get beat up my point was back then They played threw the contact instead of stopping in mid play to cry
Celtics used 90s era basketball defense to shut down KD in 2022 playoffs. Watered down defense has produced overinflated scoring stats in Lebron era. Nuff said
Thumbs down👎👎and very disappointed. I'm not a Jordansexual (my favorite all time is Hakeem Olajuwon) but the 90s NBA was incredible. You had : - great franchise rivalries (the end of the Bulls vs Pistons Bad Boys rivalry, Bulls-Knicks, Bulls-Jazz, Knicks-Heat, Knicks-Pacers, Sonics-Rockets, Jazz-Sonics, Spurs-Suns etc.) - legendary games and series like Jordan shrug game vs Portland, Jordan flu game vs Jazz, 1995 Suns-Rockets game 7 Mario Elie "Kiss of Death" buzzer beater, 1997 Rockets-Jazz game 6 with Stockton buzzer beater, Nuggets-Sonics series in 1993 with Mutombo on fire in defense, Rockets-Spurs in 1995 where Olajuwon destroys David Robinson, Magic-Rockets 1995 finals game 1 with Nick 'The Brick' Anderson missing 4 important free throws in a row, the violent but classic series Bulls-Knicks 1992 and Heat-Knicks 1997 etc. - players' rivalries (Jordan & Reggie Miller, Jordan & Drexler, fit Shaq & David Robinson, Zo Mourning & Larry Johnson, Payton-Stockton, Payton & Kevin Johnson, Olajuwon & Pat Ewing, Olajuwon-D.Robinson, Rodman vs the entire NBA players LOL) - innovators and "once in a lifetime" players like MJ, a young Shaq, Olajuwon (a center who could move like a guard and blocks leader all-time), John Stockton (steals and assists leader all-time) Abdul-Rauf (Curry before Curry), Grant Hill (LeBron before LeBron), Muggsy Bogues (the 5'3 Hornets point guard) David Robinson (quadruple double in 1994), Vlade Divac (one of the first stretch 5 with Laimbeer & Sikma) Mark Price (pioneer of the splitting of the double team) etc. - lots of guys with hot temper like Dennis Rodman, Vernon Maxwell, Kevin Garnett, Rasheed Wallace, Frank Brickowski, Charles Barkley, Xavier McDaniel, Charles Oakley, Anthony Mason, Christian Laettner, Latrell Sprewell, Zo Mourning, Gary Payton, Karl Malone, Bill Laimbeer and Danny Ainge at the twilight of their careers etc. - young legends already on fire like Shaq, Kobe, Iverson, Jason Kidd, Chris Webber, Rasheed Wallace, Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Vince Carter in 1999 - lots of "What If" (Drazen Petrovic and Reggie Lewis careers, Mitch Richmond and Chris Webber if they were in a bigger franchise, Rod Strickland or Kenny Anderson if they had a better behaviour, Larry Johnson and Penny Hardaway if they weren't injured, Magic Johnson if he didn't have AIDS etc.) I can admit that the 90s NBA had flaws, Jordan was protected by the referees, zone defense was forbidden so the flow of offense was different compared to modern NBA. But it was a man-to-man era. So, you had intensity, physicality, alpha male mentality, legendary trashtalking, a real badass competition. Every points scored had value. Every games won really meant something. The 90s NBA was the fruit of its time, but what a time it was! (Music, cinema, comics, video games, TV, sports, fashion, women, WOW!). NBA was like watching an action movie , the Jerry Springer Show and the "Monday Night Wars" of pro-wrestling at the same time but with an orange ball, LOL ! But statistics and 10 minute highlights can't describe what we experienced live and it's sad that younger generations can't understand because the 90s NBA was too fun to watch. Even the all-star games were "badass". It was a league with "larger than life" players and it was a pleasure to see "History in the making". And now we're in 2024 and the NBA is the fruit of its terrible modern time. The average points explosion and modern players' skills will never hide players' diva behaviour, superteams, load management problems, defense limited by modern NBA rules, horrible carrying rules, terrible refereeing, all teams playing the same way, LeBron as terrible face of the company, wokeness, a drag queen show in half-time Bucks game... In short, a soft and horrible league disrespecting basketball and fans, with a terrible commissioner and insufferable players for the most part. Are you happy with that modern NBA crap ? I'm not and trust me I'm not the only one. #NeverDoneWithThe90s
@@lucassipe9448 I explained it but apparently you didn't read my long comment entirely (that there can't be qualities in modern NBA because the entire NBA product sucks because of the modern context and the terrible political direction they took).
Agree with everything except the “Jordan was protected by the refs” point. That’s BS. He went to the FT line at roughly the same rate as any other super star ever. And on top of that he shot more so he should’ve gone to the line MORE as a result.
Ppl love the 90s so they romanticize the hoop game of the 90s as well. Subtract the love and u see bigger, faster, stronger, more skill, more systems. That is due to generations past however it’s ok to acknowledge evolution.
WHEN WE NEEDED HIM MOST HE DELIVERED. This guy doesn’t even understand how huge his channel would’ve been if he stayed consistent. Thinking Basketball and you are top dogs in the space of deep dives. Btw Bron still should have more than 4 MVPs!😂 Welcome back
*FINALLY You're BACK !* You're the Opposite of Gilbert Arenas. Obvious Logic and Stats Instead Emotional Wild Takes It's really simple. Better Offensive Players, Faster Pace = More Scoring (and More injuries too ?! I'd really like to have your take on that...) Today's great Defenders Are really More talented defenders too, Because they Have a way slimmer room to operate than their 90s counterparts who could FOUL At Will. *Funny How every time there is a 90s Gatekeeper Opposing the 90s Bulls to the 2017 Warriors, they want the Old rules too...* 😅🤣 *it says everything.*
Its been a while, but I saw this trending on Social Media and had been wanting to make a video on the 90s in a while. Hope you guys enjoy it and Thanks for Watching!!!
Thanks you posting tbis love your channel also how fair you are.
Welcome Back! I have missed this channel!
Where you been bro? I enjoy listening to your basketball analysis
I’m glad you’re back. Your video about Iverson being overrated has won me MANY debates!
Good to see you post. Wasn't sure if you quit or something. I may not agree with all your videos but they're always well researched and your articulate your thoughts well. What era of basketball did you grow up watching?
I remember reading a '96 article saying 'incompetent becoming the norm'. Crazy how people don't talk about stuff like this!
Because that would fly in the face of the bootlicking
How good should the 60+ win teams he listed be considered for what they were? (Sonics, Heat, Suns, Spurs, and I’ll throw in the Jazz as well)
HE FINALLY MADE A VIDEO! I've been checking back in on this channel for what feels like years!
Dang I forgot about this channel! bro you had some of the most original and legit takes -- glad to see you are back.
And if you’re gonna quote Dennis Rodman, quote everything. He also said that “LeBron would be just an average player in the 90’s”. Which I believe is ridiculous but we’re quoting Rodman, right?
@@Poopopotamusgaming My point is that just because he said it, doesn’t automatically legitimize it.
@@Poopopotamusgaming And please understand, I’m not even trying to say that the 90’s were a “better era” than this current one. I’m just saying, a lot of his takes are biased.
Those 2 quotes are about 30 years apart. So no, the latter is not worth mentioning. Furthermore, the quote I mentioned was backed up with facts and came from Dennis Rodman at a time when he was sober.
He also said the 72 win Bulls would have won around 50+ games in the '80s.
@@phillipschuman4307 He also said that the 73 win Warriors couldn’t beat the 72 win Bulls.
Jeff Hornacek would've averaged 40 in today's game. I achieved it in NBA 2k24 as proof.
😂😂
2k14 Gerald Green is the 🐐
You know that’s another thing I noticed 2k makes 60s 70s 80s 90s players move slow and stiff asf compared to players after the 90s lol the only exceptions are MJ,Dr J and Magic Johnson. Even 2k knows the games evolved
@@BasketballExamined dull brain
@@Stunt877 no one likes the 2k games today trolll
I mean, in the 90s players were not allowed to take several extra steps or carry the ball the way players do nowadays. I think when people appreciate 90's basketball, that is part of what they look back on fondly. Also, I would not agree with the statement that hand checking is bad defense, if it is allowed, then of course teams should do it. Also, given that offensive players are at such an extreme advantage nowadays, I wish teams would bring it back.
1. Carrying stopped being called over 40 yrs ago. The only players who weren't carrying were the players from the 60-70s. Everybody after that carries to some extent. Magic, Isaiah, Bird, Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, Steph, Luka...etc.
2. Hand checking is literally a built-in foul. You are putting your hand on someone's hip and impeding progress.
@@BasketballExaminedDo you really think guys like Magic and Isiah carried in any way CLOSE to everybody today? A laughable assertion. And you didn't address traveling
@@BasketballExamined AI got called for carrying quite often with his signature crossover. Plus, players back then weren't doing anything anywhere near as egregious as players are today. What we're seeing today is just a little short of the dribbling they were doing in the And1 Mixtapes from the later 90s/early 2000s.
@@jansmitowiczauthor78
1. Malboro and Malboro lights are both unhealthy and full of nicotine. Carrying, whether its a little or a lot, is still carrying.
2. Travelling isn't as prevalent as people think it is. At all. If you have stats that say otherwise compared to the 90s, I'd like to see it.
@@BasketballExaminedthats such a stupid analogy.
Players were called for traveling if they carried the ball and you know it.
You also know that until this current era, it was 2 steps when moving towards the rim to attempt a layup or dunk but now it's 3-4 steps in any direction you like.
Yaw started this crap by nitpicking the 91 finals. Now go watch the first qtr of that game and notice the 4 different traveling violations that were called.
Every play today commits worse traveling violations than what was called in that game.
Every single play of every game today.
Again, quit nitpicking.
Could do that with any game today but it's petty.
There was a maximum of 20 players in the 90’s with signature moves and I’m being generous. Majority of the league had predictable offensive schemes. Modern era you never know what you’re going against. Drop D. Rose in the 90’s bulls and they’d swear he was the GOAT.
Were there more than 20 players who could score well at the time?
What a ignorant comment 😂
@@TheSands83truth hurts
@@cmoneytheman you have to actually play to have a “signature move “ wich 90 percent of the players these days barely can even play. Bunch of flopping crybabies who love load management. Not to mention they travel n carry all over the place n can’t play a lick of defense
@@TheSands83 delusional
Okay so I love that you are back but a couple points:
We were are able to see a LOT of games. Bulls had nationally televised games on WGN they showed nearly every game. The Hawks had TBS showing their home games. We still had TNT friday night games and Sunday games on NBC.
We cant just put these guys in this era who are BETTER shooters with space and place them in a physical era.
You cant just juxtapose players who can shoot now and say they would be great.
You bring up Steph and say how would it be if he was on the Jazz instead of Stockton but it was 1) a slower pace which means each possession means more (you won't be able to shoot 15 3s a game 2) and more importantly the physicality HAS to be accounted for. Steph has always had ankle issues in fact the reason why his 2nd contract was so cap friendly was because he had issues staying healthy consistently. Now place this in an era where there isn't any freedom of movement, players can put their hands and forearms into you to redirect you, hard fouls in the paint that arent flagrant fouls, no 3pt landing space protections, no "gather" steps to allow you to take 3 steps for a stepback 3 and you get a different result.
Would Steph be able to play in the 90s? Absolutely you had guys like Bobby Sura playing but would he be at or exceed what he is now because of the "inferior" talent in the 90s? With rule changes and philosophy in that era I don't believe so.
Bruh don't be nice about this. This dude's analyses are terrible it's unbelievable. Years ago he had some decent stuff but maybe the long break dulled his analytic skills. The televised game statement had my mouth hanging for like 5 mins I couldn't believe he said that shit. Like we were in the 40's or something and only consumed sports by radio. If anything people don't view the games in their entirety today because of short attention spans and highlight videos. He was so disingenuous it was hard to even finish the video. He brought up Reggie Miller as if he was some average player or a bum. So how about when he played against Barkley, Drexler or Magic? I mean wtf? I'm in disbelief.
@tedroscourt1205 yea he made it seem like we only got 1 game a week.
Also using talk sports shows like First Take is not really a positive toward this era when its Bron vs Jordan ad nauseum. Media coverage is dominated by outrage and trolling because clicks + views = $$$
I liked some of his other stuff but putting 4 or 5 quotes with a great beat in the background does not make it any more true
Bingo
@@playthatagainbruh394this guy’s conflating eras like all of these era trashing bums do. He’s also deleting my comments constantly loll. Love it.
We had a satalite dish in our back yard watched every single game , over 4000 channels from across the world , lots of people had dishes in the 90s a lot more had cable ...but still games were televised , I got a bunch on vhs as I would record them
The viewership ratings say people are done with the 2020’s. Modern All-Star weekends says people are done with the 20’s. Load management where players complain about playing more than 65 games but are supposed to be healthier than past says the players are done with the 20’s while still being in the league.
He didn't mention any of those things
Viewership rating doesn't account for overseas viewership, and online viewership (TH-cam, Hulu, illegal streaming sites...etc). It's only taking into account TV ratings. The 90s are always gonna win because that's all they had.
@@BasketballExamined good points, yet TNT said they don’t need the NBA right before contract negotiations. I don’t believe the other US leagues are having the same problems. The league isn’t as interesting anymore. Also the player empowerment results in less people being invested in the teams in their own cities & more invested in superstars with no loyalty to those cities. Plus load management means that you might not even see those superstars when you paid good money to.
@@BasketballExaminedtv ratings are all that matters, that's how they make the vast majority of their money. WTF are you talking about 😂
@@BasketballExaminedIsn't all of this true for the NFL as well? Why isn't the NFL seeing these drops in TV ratings?
"Respectfully, I believe there's a misconception here about 90s NBA basketball. First, regarding Patrick Ewing's weight, while it's true that weight can be an advantage, it's not the only factor in determining a player's effectiveness on the court. Defense, lateral speed, quickness, and arm length also play crucial roles. Ewing, for example, was known for his incredible defensive skills and presence in the paint.
As for Shaquille O'Neal, while he may not have been celebrated primarily for his defense, his sheer size and strength were undeniably impactful. Conversely, Tayshaun Prince wasn’t the heaviest player but was renowned for his defensive prowess, thanks to his agility, speed, and long arms. This demonstrates that defensive skill in the NBA isn’t solely dependent on a player's weight or physical bulk.
Each era of the NBA has its unique characteristics and strengths, and it’s unfair to diminish the skills and talents of players from the 90s. They played within the context and style of their time, just as players do today. Let’s appreciate and respect the diversity and evolution of the game."
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This response acknowledges the other person's point while offering a different perspective, emphasizing respect for players across different eras. It's always more effective to engage in constructive conversations rather than confrontational ones, especially in online discussions.
I like the use of ChatGPT here.
The game sucks today
This is one of the smartest and most respectful comments on here. I wish everyone spoke like this.
This is one of the smartest and most respectful comments on here. I wish everyone spoke like this.
This video makes some disingenuous comparisons. For example apparently the expansion teams made the top teams have great records yet those expansion teams had better records than the worse teams in the 2000s onwards. Brons cavs won 66 games but all you hear is how trash that team was. Hardens rockets won 60 plus games but didn’t win the chip. Are we going to say those team’s records are inflated because of poor talent in the league? This years pistons and wizards record wise are some of the worst in nba history. Does that show a lack of quality in todays game? It has nothing to do with lack of quality. Its simply the way the game is played today. The rules and the spacing make scoring easier. Its not better its just different. And that argument about stronger more athletic etc is just a myth
Everything you said is accurate and I'll add. The 90s had expansion teams. Ok and? The Lebron era had teams that tanked. Also just looking through this guy's channel he's obviously a Lebron fan. So I guess this video is just one giant troll peace
*apparently the expansion teams made the top teams have great records* - False, what I said was that the lack of talent created a lot of bad teams. Didn't say they were expansion teams.
@@BasketballExamined you literally had a whole section talking about how the expansion teams took good role players off good teams and created mediocre teams and weakened good teams. And started showing teams like the sonic and spurs and then comparing them with teams in later eras. How did they create a lot of bad teams when teams in that era had better records? If this era so great how come there are so many teams with poor records in the league today?
@@andrewufot5617 woosh. The point is that the expansion created a vacuum of spots in the league. Suddenly, by the mid 90's, there were four extra rosters (15 x 4 = 60 NBA players) that had to be filled but the world of basketball training (for lack of a better term) wasn't prepared to "create" 60 high quality players. The result is that the many teams struggled to field quality players. In the late 90's, the Utah Jazz became a dominant force with two aging stars, that's not weird to you? In the early 90's that same exact team was nowhere near as competitive. The Heat, Magic, Charlotte, and Minny didn't have to be the ones with crappy players but they created the void. Nature abhors a vacuum and over the decades, those 60 spots have been filled (via better training and the rise of international players.) This same phenomenon will happen in the 2020's with expansion, the league will be getting worse in a few years.
@@MikeBNumba6 "This person likes LeBron, therefore everything he says is false."
This man woke up and chose violence. That being said, I agree with you.
seems like the youg kids are the ones stuck on this.. the old heads are just saying it was better before. thats not a fact and its not false either. ratings have been the lowest in the last 5 years, with 2020 being the LOWEST EVER.. the 90s had the HIGHEST ratings EVER.. the highest period of ratings for the NBA was from 1982 to 2001. since 2001 not ONE year has had higher ratings than the LOWEST YEAR from 1982 to 1
2001.. you guys talk about how good todays NBA is but nobody is watching. you guys just catch the highlights.
-im just guna copy and paste cuz this is ridiculous.
Holy shit welcome back man I just marathoned all your videos last week and then you drop a new one perfectly timed.
You know after explaining, oldheads still cant understand anything😂
seems like the youg kids are the ones stuck on this.. the old heads are just saying it was better before. thats not a fact and its not false either. ratings have been the lowest in the last 5 years, with 2020 being the LOWEST EVER.. the 90s had the HIGHEST ratings EVER.. the highest period of ratings for the NBA was from 1982 to 2001. since 2001 not ONE year has had higher ratings than the LOWEST YEAR from 1982 to 1
2001.. you guys talk about how good todays NBA is but nobody is watching. you guys just catch the highlights.
-im just guna copy and paste cuz this is ridiculous.
@@soramirez5473 i think you are srill old.
Sure the ratong has dropped a little becaise theres no mj.
He bring viewers, jist like curry kobe and lebron.
The main thing rating has dropped is because of illegal streaming web online. Most People no longer pay to watch nba.
@@WestbrickFansGotNoBrains a little? the ratings have dropped a little? from 1982 to 2001, the lowest rating was 12.1 (without jordan, WITH Jordan it was around 16-18)... after 2001, it has NEVER reached 12 again.. the LAST 4 YEARS it hasnt reached 7.. 2020 was the lowest in history at 4...
These are finals ratings.. people today are NEARLY as interested in THIS basketball like people were in the 80s and 90s.. thats a fact.. no matter HOW OLD I AM..
@@WestbrickFansGotNoBrains Oh so people stream now adays.. ok cool. back then people listened to the game ON THE RADIO.. lol.. and THOSE numbers are not included in the TV RATINGS ive been giving you.. face it. ppl just dont care about the NBA anymore.. Lebron has NEVER made the finals a high rating.. Kobe better than lebron but not as good as the 90s.. back then we WATCHED the entire games.. lISTENED to the entire games.. you guys just wathc HIGHLIGHTS.. disgusting..
and being old is not an insult. it just means ive lived longer than you, and have more experience.. and that is a FACT.. ive been your age.. you have not been mine.. ;)
Keep the same energy when they talk about this era having zero defensive freedom and inflated scoring
Is he defending the atrocious defense we seeing daily? You can't make this shit up. This is all about money not skill. Luka ain't more skilled he's just a cash cow. You need big stats if you wanna sell jerseys 😂 skill. Lmao these players just spam threes. That's not skill. Tf is bro talking about
Fans love the offensive side of sports, the same reason the NFL opened the game for more touchdowns. The fans clearly love more touchdown, points, and home-runs rather than defensive players. MLB didn't listen after the 1990s and it's fallen behind the NBA
Be serious, Luka is easily one of the most skilled ever
@@MarcusTheJR yeah no real fans care about that bullshit. We just want solid competition. This is not that. The NBA and the NFL are manipulated jokes
@Jaysolate at the end of the day, professional sports is a business, and fans who buy jerseys, attend games, purchase team gear, and viewership. I watch WNBA games, I love the sport of basketball, and more fans aren't junkies like me. Haven't you noticed that every championship team all of sudden has a major fanbase during the winning years and not the losing years.
@@YoImOrbitLuka is white so the guy you are trying to convince won’t waver. Nice try tho
The one thing all of these types of era bashing videos have in common is that they’re FULL of lies. Like it’s insane that these people think the general sports fan is this stupid. Wow.
How it it lies when all of the rules changes and expansion did happen? Remember Miami, Toronto and charlotte weren’t legit playoff teams and had decent talent until the start of the millennium
What were the lies tho?
@@ksmith4343the 90s defenders rarely have actual facts to disprove what was said . In my experience they often go into attacking the person they disagree with rather than dissecting the fallacies they see in the argument or they don’t engage in the discussion at all , they’ll just say it’s stupid or make a subjective statement about their perspective and act as if it’s an objective statement because someone else believes the same thing and
when you have social proof or the majority on your side it’s easy to dismiss the unpopular opinion and stick with what you’d like to believe over facts that contradict that belief.
@jujuthedude facts and 70 percent of them weren't even alive when jordan played. Jordan is a great player but his legacy is starting to become more like a fictional character then a nba player.
@@jujuthedudeThe one question I have though:
The teams he mentioned as winning 60+ games but being worse than other teams of the same record in different eras (Sonics, Suns, and Heat, among others):
Could those teams have still made the playoffs if the whole conference they were in was better?
Im done with 2020s with wide open lanes to the basket and a 3point shooting contest and non athletic players leading the league in scoring
Lol well why can’t the athletes lead the league in scoring? It’s not as if the league is catered towards non athletes more than elite athletic freaks. Heck, if you are an athletic freak AND skilled, you should be able to dominate more than ever before if the rim is so wide open right? Weird that all of the best players aren’t the best athletes.
Great point, I preferred Anthony Mason beating the shit out of players and scoring 70 points over 48 minutes. That's real basketball!
@schuylersavage276 because they gave the non-athletes an unfair advantage by allowing them to travel to put up these stupid double step-back threes. Everybody wasn't born with Wembanyama's length & athleticism to contest these shots.
And if you fart near them, they'll give you a 5 game suspension.
Yes, this NBA is amazing.
don't forget bron said he learned how to flop in 2020s, wow
The Goat is back 🔥🔥🔥
I agree with the general sentiment of the video. I'm gonna slightly push back on the whole "drop players as-is in different eras" part. The players today have medical and technical advantages. If KD had torn his Achilles back then, he isn't a star anymore. Curry's early career ankle issues would've had more an affect on him.
I do agree that star players would adapt to any era though.
KD pre-achilles was already a MVP, 4x scoring champion...etc. The KD we're seeing now, on the Suns, is still great but past his prime.
Dropping players into different eras as is is a lazy argument and it's only goal is to punish players from the later era for having the audacity to be born when they were. Let's see what happens in 20-30 years when the young fans then try to say that same stupid shit about the guys we're watching now. I guarantee very few of today's fans will like hearing that thrown back in their faces.
kd would not be a star anymore post achilles in the 90s? lol u do realize kobe was not even close to the same post achilles right? KDs great recovery has more to do with his light frame not putting pressure on that achilles and he does not have a physical style of play. the curry statement is also damn near ridiculous. there have been many players that have had ankle and achilles injuries in this modern era that have never been the same. so the advantages somehow did not work for them??? it seems as if your forcing point to oppose what your opposing in this video.
@@dominicharris5489 KD's recovery had more to do with medical advancements than anything else and trying to argue otherwise is wrong. Tearing an Achilles was a death sentence to anyone's career back in the 80s and 90s and even 00s. Most people never played after it happened and those that did were nowhere near the level they were pre-injury. The perfect example of the advancements in medical technology is the Joe Thiesmann and Alex Smith injuries. Pretty much the exact same injury and they were about the same age when they happened. Theismann never played again but Smith did, grabted after a long tough road to recovery and nearly dying but he still came back to play. KD's light frame certainly helped, but 25 years ago he's done as an elite player after tearing an Achilles.
@@davidmartinez52420 sir, explain to me why kobe was never even close to the same player post achilles if he is in the same era with all these medcal advantages and advancements that u speak of??? he averaged 27ppg the season he popped it and was not close to that afterward and was terribly inefficient post achilles, how was dominique wilkins still dominant after popping his achilles if they were at such a disadvantage medically etc etc???? u do realize there are literal occurrences that clearly contradict what your saying right??
Wow
When did you start thinking this BS ???
This channel was hacked or something
Truth hurts eh
@@rafikz77lol the old heads are in shambles rn
@@rafikz77no trurh founded trolll
@@dsavage6618keep dreaming kid
@@NoNameWillBeGiven778 aww did he hurt you?
it's great to see you back!
Welcome back after to the basketball world. I have never been disappointed in any of your videos as much as I am with this one. You put up the definition of BIAS and proceeded with a statement that embodied that same definition. Every era will have it's ups and downs, to help better the game and this is true for all sports. You make wishful analysis and compare apple to oranges. I heard you once mentioned "Chasing the ghost in Chicago", what are you chasing with this video?
Been a fan of your content brother. But your argument have a lot of flaws in the player comparisons and the play in the different eras. KD for one even though being a great shooter may have issues because physicality is his kryptonite. There is almost no defense being played today. Some the players being branded stars are just good average players. A lot of talent is in the league but the more skilled players are foreigners. It’s all 3s and layups. We have bigs being called great dribblers when there are a lot of carrying. Few teams in the league play defense but the league is more offense oriented because uses you can’t touch anyone.
*KD for one even though being a great shooter may have issues because physicality is his kryptonite* - I disagree, but sure. Take out KD and put Kawhi instead, like I said in the video, Now what?
*Some the players being branded stars are just good average players* - Such as?
*the more skilled players are foreigners* - Besides Jokic, Luka, Wemby & Embiid, who else is there? Everybody else is domestic.
*It’s all 3s and layups* - Yeah, those are the best shots to take.
*We have bigs being called great dribblers when there are a lot of carrying* - Carrying stopped being called over 40 yrs ago. The only players who weren't carrying were the players from the 60-70s. Everybody after that carries to some extent. Magic, Isaiah, Bird, Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, Steph, Luka...etc.
*Few teams in the league play defense* - If a team's strategy is to be more offensive minded, there's nothing wrong with that. It's their strategy.
We can agree to disagree. Like I said there’s a lot of holes in some of your argument. It’s hard to compare players because of the eras. I am no tubers but I can find vids of players contradicting some of what’s being said in your vid. Incase you don’t realize the nba is a star based league and not too focused on team basketball. Most euro players in the nba are more skilled than you realized but are in a league that they have to conform to. When I speak of skill I’m talking basketball fundamentals that a lot of these new players seem to lack and I see it almost every night because of the way the league has changed. They are more athletic I will attest to that but there’s a lot lacking still.
@@dappa3ten It's not difficult to compare eras, nor is it a significant difference, a period of 20 years, for example. LeBron has been in the league for 20 years; he came into the league when Jordan officially left, and he still dominates the league. What does that say? He has the same numbers now as he did then. Kobe started in the 90s; he played against Jordan and against Curry. Was Kobe trash during the 2010s when the game changed compared to the 90s? Of course not. Players with long careers prove that the 'can't compare eras' argument is total nonsense.
"It’s all 3s and layups - Yeah, those are the best shots to take. " *WRONG* ! The layup is the best shot to take, because you're right at the basket, so the probability of you making the shot is extremely high. Analytics tell us the three is the next best shot to take. But we have seen time and time again in the playoffs where teams that shoot a lot of threes get in trouble in crunch time when the stakes are at their highest and three is not falling. The Golden State Warriors had TWO of the best three point shooters of all time on their team in the 2016 Finals and struggled to get a basket in the closing minutes of game 7. I have more examples of this throughout NBA history, but one example is all I need. @@BasketballExamined
@@BasketballExaminedLeBron James on a podcast said there’s players today who can’t play basketball. Words that came from his mouth. You are going to debate LeBron on that?
Glad to see this channel back at it
Good to c ur back @BasketballExamined. The community needs u bro
Cherry picked quotes, stats, talking points. So many other videos have debunked all of these points already. Recommend examining some of those.
Nostalgia can definitely play a factor in romanticizing the 90s... But, y'all are just gonna have to figure that out when the next generation comes up and craps all over this era 🤷 it's inevitable. Recency bias is also a thing...
They never want to mention recency bias lol
We'll show respect like the 50s-60s showed 80s-90s. Funny yall can't show it back though, but we'll be the bigger men. Ive never seen the great Bill Russell or tiny Archibald, or Billy Cunningham say a negative word about that era. But 80s-90s niggas love saying how much better they are every chance they get.
I’ve been saying that about recency bias forever lol It’s not different than nostalgia
recency bias is irrelevant. we watch the full series from 80s and 90s on youtube. we saw it sooner than yall saying this is relevant because youre stuck in the 90s lmao. which adds to the nostalgia argument. lol!
Jimmy high roller had a much better take and analysis than this and I think this era is the best but this was straight false video
The numbers completely disagree with you tho. There hasn't been a player record 200+ steals in a season since 2009, but every single season in the 90's besides maybe the shortened season, there were multiple players with 200-300 steals every season. You can pretend that comes from physical defense, but even with that physical defense there were 4 players in 1990 that recorded more points than last seasons points leader. How is it that Jordan can score 2,753 points in a season, while Embiid only scores 2,183 points in a season, and they both avg 33ppg?! Last year's blocks leader recorded 193 blocks and there hasn't been a player record 300+ blocks in 21 years... But between 90'-97' there were 12 instances of a player recording 300+ blocks in a season
You dumb dingus if guys are getting 200-300 steals in a season HOW BAD IS THE PLAYMAKING ON THESE TEAMS🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️it’s like yall just be old and stupid an abundance of stats is not always as good as it looks you the type to think somebody averaging 10+APG is a good thing whole time what averaging that many assists REALLY means is that your team SUCKS and then need 1 specific player on the team to force feed them shots because they have no other way to score this is why no one other than magic has ever won a ring averaging more than 9APG yall were brainwashed by the media into viewing basketball in the dumbest ways possible
@@CrushWildman try harder trolll
If they’re done with the 90s then they should stop wearing Jordans.
Facts! 😂😂
Jordans are getting stale at a alarming rate lol
@@Stunt877Cuz you cain't afford nothing but Walmart sneakers 😁😀😁
@@Stunt877 Alarming rate of 20 years after he retired
@@unnaturalselection8330don’t the Walmart shoes and Jordan’s do the exact same thing ?
Omg! 😯 It's been forever! I almost gave up on you guys but I knew I couldn't 😔. Your posts are too intellectual 🤓 and epic for me to do that however freaking rare 😭
yawwwwwwwn.... stop it... if you watched the 80,90,200's and now, you'd easily know that the current league is garbage... everyone shooting 3's, no one playing defense, load management, stars to scared to join dunk contest, all-star game with no defense, players with no really winning history getting massive contracts....
It’s like you didn’t watch the video at all lmaoo
Everyone just stood in the paint, smoked crack, and drank beer in the 80s.
I started playing in 1990 and stopped in 2023. Modern players are far superior than the ones I grew up idolizing. But you’re probably less likely to know this if you’ve never played competitive basketball..
Lots of arguments are valuable in both sens.
-Skills : it's not about potential but formation and training methods that have improved. Actual players or stars aren't less or more talented in that sens, but they don't start from the same point in the evolution of basketball, they work more, or more efficiently on some aspects, less on some others, and they're not allowed to do the same things as in the past (for example : carrying, travels, handshake).
-Defense : It was harder to score in the 90' in the sens that there were usually 3 or 4 guys in the paint.
There were not spacing due to 3 point threat.
3 point line was introduced 10 years before and lots of players have not trained that aspect of the game since their childhood. As they were tall, they often plays center until college, so, they worked more on rebound, playing back to the basket, fade away, than long shot. 3 point was more considered as a gadget or a risky way to climb a point deficit than a deadly weapon. (Even with that, there were very efficient shooters in the70', 80' and 90', even big mens. Nowerdays, you have many kids that tries to imitate Curry, James, Durant and many others since their childhood, are encoraged by coachs to do so, and trained more efficiently during all the years they learn basketball).
So there were potentially as many rim protection as with zone defense. Except that NBA didn't allow full zone defense. 3-2 zone is allowed, but 2-3 or 2-1-2 is restricted by a 3 second violation. It's not the same than in NCAA. Jordan faced zone in NCAA and that didn't restrict him to be one of the best players of his generation, score in the paint or midrange shot (his coach's collective philosophy restricted more in scoring), so zone would'nt have restricted him that much.
The other argument is that Jordan benefits of the rising of isolation play and some rules in favor of scoring. Iso play is often considered as the cause of the downfall of scoring and ennoying ways to play. But it was also as much difficult to contain an all-star in M2M with the possibility of handshake than to defend in zone without handshake.
The main argument of physicality in the 90' is that many of nowerdays players would have had to deal with lots of contact and injuries and wouldn't have as healthy long and efficient carriers. In the other hand players from the 90' would have been still efficient during more years. They also wouldn't have less restrictions in scoring.
The argument of defense of Khawi and Giannis is also true.
And that's why I consider the problem is more in the nature and phylosophy of rule change since the 90' than in the game and players themself. NBA commissionner had a logic to favor offense scoring and highlights in the point that the game looks like more to an all star week end combining lazy defense, 3point-shootout and dunk contest, than a hard battle that involved talent, physicality, high strategical and tactical levels, court vision, to conqueer each baskets.
More rules that favor defense, allow unrestricted zones, healthy handshakes allowed, more strict rules about carrying, travels and flopping, combined with modern and more efficient shoot selection, more 3' that unefficient 2, then more spacing, player and ball movement, would be cool and would more reflect and increase of the efficiency of the game without external help as rule changes.
-Expansion : more team means weaker draft selection, weaker pool of player and more dumb team : it's valuable non only in the 90' but from the 90' to today.
-Height of Point guard : The average point guard height in NBA hasn't changed since the 60'-70'. It oscillate around 6'2, sometimes clother to 6'1 and sometimes to 6'3.
5 guys under 6'0 or 5'9 wouldn't change a lot of things.
If they reach the NBA, it's because they were highly athletic and skilled. Many of them had their carreer broken by injuries because of physicality. So with the context of modern era, they just would have hand more longevity.
Spudd Web, had a 46 vertical jump, was quite speed and was 16 point 7 assists at his peak.
Damon Stoudamire had a 13 pt and 6 assist carreer and in a deep roster in portland, and some 20 point 9 assists in Toronto.
Bogues had 10point/10assists at is peak, he had speed and good 44inch. vertical jump and was recognized as a good defender.
All these undersized point guards had their place in the pool of players, as Iverson had his own as an undersized shooting guard, Barkley, Rodman and Draymond Green as undersized Power Forward, And were perhaps more impcatful as some PJ.Tucker who was mostly undersized at the Center position in when he played with the rockets.
There were certainly the same debate beetween the 90' and 2020' than with the 60' and 80' or 90' with the introduction of 3 point line.
It's true that the 90' is overrated in some ways to stay alive the Jordan GOAT Legend, as it's the case of modern NBA to favor James GOAT and Curry's Legend, and other rising stars, the case of 2000'/early 2010' for Bryant, Shaq, Duncan, Iverson, Garnett, the case of the 80' to revive Magic&Bird's rivalry and the fastbreak basketball.
The main criticism is that as scoring has become more easier nowerdays due to rules change and better analysis of shot chart efficiency, people tends to think that players, All-stars, and Hall of Famers, are better today than in the 90'. They're probably not better not worth.
Curiously, it's the basketball of the 50-60-70 that is highly underrated compared to what it was. 70' looks like 80', the ABA was fun and ahead of his time, and you'll find some unexpected gestures, no look passes, adrives and jumps, and players movements since the 50-60'.
The 90s is not overrated and Jordan is the GOAT. Nice try trolll
Expansion: league growth, not that nonsense you're claiming. Nice try trolll
From the very bottom of my heart, I do not at all believe anyone would be going to these lengths to shit on the 90s if it wasn't for the GOAT debate and LeBron fans being unable to make their case without a hefty helping of diminishing other players. The 70s was the decade widely agreed to be the worst decade of all time, but now conveniently it's the 90s. The 70s saw 9 total teams join the league, the 4 ABA teams and then 5 brand new teams. of course, only those 4 ABA teams were mentioned.
I think Lebron and mj are equally overrated but 90s basketball and before was trash I give credit to wilt and bill Russell because they wasn’t working with nothing yet still dominated. But the 90s was just Jordan having too many advantages over them payers that haven’t evolved past the 80s that’s all it ever was
This wasn’t ever even a GOAT DEBATE wtf are you even talking about take your meds
@@Stunt877 MJ will never be overrated. Nice try trolll
@@Stunt877 you make no sense trolll
@@CrushWildman take yours
Honestly never expected such a video of this channel with false equivalencies as talking points.
Yes some things are nostalgia based just like being a prisoner of the moment is about as strong, but this is dishonest.
So what are the false equivalencies? It would help if you actually elaborated.
Cry more. LeBron averaging 45 15 15 in that weak ass Era.
@@BasketballExamined Thanks for taking the time to respond.
First of all I wanted to state that with the defensive metrics, the 90's seem to be consistently 3rd best in about all of them. Putting all of them next to each other or randomly counting it up, it points to the 90's being the second best behind the 00's which isnt weird because both of these era's obviously overlap in certain playstyle and rules. I at least surely didnt conclude the 90's defensive metrics being overrated, especially when you compare it to this era, which has the worst in almost all of them.
As for false equivalencies is for example claiming that a potential lack of skilled defense and thus a more physical approach meaning less actual skilled defenders, would also mean that it would be easier to score in the 90's when less skilled defenders due to physicality could still impact defense whereas today you cannot and ofc, more 'skilled' defense does not mean its harder to score than against physical defense. Every single one of us that has played basketbal know its harder to score on physical defense even if it may be less skilled. You stating players like Kawhi would be even better in the 90's defensively? He 1000% wouldve, because thats what happens when you add physicality to that level. I never really saw people make the point that defenses in the 90's were more 'skilled', but that it was harder to score in the 90's, which it simply was. There is a solid logical reason that the 90's and 00's had the lowest scoring outputs, something you didnt mention at all, when the 00's were not limited by the league expanding.
Also the statement that there were significantly less good offensive players simply due to a lack of talent, which is only partly a reason. The biggest reason is that unless you were out of the ordinary skilled offensively, they would rather just draft another big body defender or ofc an actually good defender because that just impacted the game more in regards of how the game was played. Players such as Kerr only got a chance because they were shooting extremely efficiently.
Also the statement about putting players of this era in the 90's and expecting them to shoot 3's when if they wouldve played in the 90's, they wouldve been born in the late 70's and probably just wouldnt shoot 3's and certainly not at the volume they do today.
“There was a point, I believe, you know probably in the late nineties when the game became too physical,” Silver says. “I think for our fans, we lost some of the aesthetic enjoyment of the game. It de-emphasized the particular skill a player had and maybe weighted too heavily on physicality, where a big, strong player could come in and prevent an incredibly skilled player from doing those kinds of things.”
The commissioner would go on to single out superstar Steph Curry, who’s one of the league’s most skilled scorers and ball handlers. He says that if guys could just “bang him and knock him to the ground,” it would limit his ability to shoot and to move around in the paint."
The rules were changed so that skilled offensive players like Curry can shine. Stating that putting him in the 90's would make him even better, seems illogical to me especially considering he'd shoot most his shots from midrange in an era they were allowed to manhandle you. Curry obviously would still be a great player, but better???
As a defensive player, it would benefit you to play in the 90's. As an offensive player, it would benefit you to play today.
Doncic for example claims the 3 second rule to be the biggest factor in why he think the NBA is easier to score in than Europe today, the 3 seconds rule that didnt exist in the 90's. He says he basically waits for attacking the paint till the big men clears, in his eyes making it way easier to penetrate.
People say players had an open lane to the basket in the 90's which is a lie, because there were actually big men waiting for you in the paint. You clearly took MJ's remark on this and when he said this out of context.
Imagine a clear zone AND no 3 seconds AND no spacing. Ofc he wouldnt have scored the points he did, because nobody wouldve born in that era no matter who it is. Added, they sure as hell did play zone in the 80's and 90's. Not as clearly as today, but they used tons of loopholes for it and you could see it being used during the playoffs quite consistently.
Hell the 'Jordan rules' basically worked solely due to a sneaky zone defense and the no 3 secs rule. If not they couldve been physical all they want, but without the ability to clog the lane that wouldnt have meant that much.
@@quelaagging8532 he doesn't even come close in an era where they don't play defense. Get real
@@mrskinszszs You didnt even watch the video lol
Great video bro🙌🏼
Says no one
@@NoNameWillBeGiven778Says me and the 600 people who liked the video…..Just shut up u Bitter old head 🤣
Yep excellent video
@@rickalphonse578 says no one
@@dsavage6618 yall are nobodies indeed. Try harder kid
MOST PLAYERS FROM THE 90’S WOULD NEVER GET DRAFTED TODAY!!!
The best players still might make the league, but their tendencies would probably be different (less longer midrange shots in particular, and point guards would probably be asked to shoot more).
The players that were lower tier starters would probably be on the bench, and the guys who were on the bench would probably be out of the league.
@@fortynights1513they would make the league playing the exact same way huh
@@cmoneythemanIf they were coming up or of playing age today, they might have grown up watching different players and their tendencies might be different
@fortynights1513 that doesn't work with me you said they would make the league,I asked Will they play the exact way from 90s it's a simple question
“The difference between Isaiah Thomas and muggys bogues is 6 inches”. Bro, are you forgetting to mention that Isaiah thomas also averaged *30 ppg* in a season in the modern era with 2x all stars and a second all nba team selection. Muggsy hasn’t even received an nba award.
And this shows the evolution of talent from then to now even with the smallest players in the NBA
And you forgot that he got out of the league soon after that.
5’9 and 5’3 is a humongous difference, and Mugsy had a longer career as a starter than IT did, he really had 1 great year and 1 good year and thats it. Muggsy was a consistent starter and didnt bounce around the league
I’m not going to lie having a 5’3 person in your league is very bad that’s like middle schooler heck even elementary schooler height lol. That’s not even average height. At least Isiah Thomas is the average height
@@spidercal9812 not at all
Lol brother.. Kd is my 2nd alltime favorite player. Only behind the greatest 6 ft and under player the game has ever seen. In the "overrated", The Answer, Allen Iverson. Didn't just two years ago we saw KD get swept in the 1st round. To an extremely tough and physical defense lead by Jayson Tatum? So he couldn't overcome that level of defense, once again, lead by Jayson Tatum. Very reminiscent of an era that we're "done with", and is composed of alot of "mediocrity".. but i digress. lol. And you want us to believe, if put on that 98' Pacers team. That he would've influenced the outcome positively enough. That they'd would've had a higher probability, of beating the UnStopABulls?!
Some will perceive your eloquence as intelligence (not saying you're overall ignorant). But brother, you're coming off extremely ignorant, with some of these takes. It's just too much hyperbole and "what ifs".. and not enough substance.
P.s. i still liked the video. Due to the time and effort you put into this "We done with the 90's" exposé. But alot of this is so misinformed, to say the least. And yes. 34 year old John Stockton.. is just as great, if not greater in some areas. As 34 yr old Steph Curry. Alltime assist and steals leader, for a reason. And super clutch, when needed. Something brother Wardell has always been diametrically opposed to (defense and clutchness). Peace brother.
Man I don't want to hear any of this nonsense, when I constantly watch guys refuse to put any pressure on the ball once it's inbound. The infrequent and lack of defensive communication, poor defensive stances, unnecessary & I'd say gosh awful switching, players not knowing when or how to attack post mismatches consistently or even throw proper inbound passes. These guys need a million screens and have to resort to flopping just to get past defenders just so they can finish in a wide-open lane.
Compare International / FIBA rules to the nonsense we have in today's NBA and it's blatantly obvious that it's easier to score with many players lacking basic fundamentals. Almost everything is drive and kick - even on 3 on 1 fast breaks! Why take the easy two points at the rim, when you can kick it out to an open or contested three! That's smart & brilliant basketball!
And it's telling that this is the topic that finally brought you out of hiding LMAO. You couldn't make any content on today's NBA, because no one wants to watch this garbage. What did today's players look like in FIBA? NBA Starters and stars were destroyed by journeymen, but these guys are so much better.
You didn't watch the video, clearly.
@@juliusperseus8612 no need to watch nonsense
Another dead beat take. Crazy how the only way to validate the ‘skills’ of modern players is to diminish the legends that built the platform they play on.
^THIS!
Great take
Crazy how whenever an oldhead speaks on young players who worked hard and made it, they got nothing but hate to say. You old drunks getting it put back on you 😂
fr, they mad asl and cant even negate these valid points😂😂
did u watch the video? or did u just not hear the many valid points made to validate the skills of modern player without "diminishing" the legends that somehow "built" the platform they play on???? yall are obviously reacting way too emotional and defensive instead of looking at things objectively. emotion is clouding yall judgements.
Finally!! You’re back!!
Comparing eras has always been braindead. It takes any objectivity out of the conversation because it is impossible to use stats to compare. Any argument can always be turned around on its head. A good example is "20's league is better because they score more" proving the offense is better vs "90's league is better because they scored less" proving the defense was better. It's just bad faith to try to engage in slander campaigns on entire eras of the sport. It's admitting that you have no real argument. The only objective differences we CAN measure is height, jump, strength, and speed. All 4 of these have actually stayed the same (which some people will claim it hasn't) but when you look up the stats from the various NBA combines and other measurements. The average stand still vert has been around 28 inches all the way back to the 80's. Average bench press has remained stagnant. Average height has been around since the 70's 6'6-6'7. Currently it is 6'6 and it peaked in 87 at 6'7
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There is no argument for anyone being a better NBA player than Michael Jordan, yet.
No matter how many videos are made with bias and lies.
This era of men clinging to their emotions and being “fans” of people who don’t care that they exist… pathetic.
Bro he talked about bias for the 90’s in the video but most of his points are biased 😐 The irony 😂
Your second sentence sounds like a critique of your first 😂
@@usmanqureshi8941 reading is fundamental.
it is, and ur clearly clinging to your emotions "there is no argument" get mjs meat out ya throat@@conduitofthegospeldarrellb9154
@@nziking2267 trollllll
He's finally back!! Missed your basketball content.
So the 2000s was the best era of NBA basketball 🙌🏾
Hell no I'd argue the 2000's was more overrated than the 90's
@@johndavis9321Even if you don’t like 2000’s basketball, I wouldn’t argue it’s more overrated because it never received the same level of acclaim to begin with.
@@johndavis93212000s easily the most talented, best defensive and most unique era of basketball, you literally had players and teams that played almost any style of basketball
I am so glad u back man where u been at all these years we been needing u 💯🖤
Anybody else grow up watching early 2000s basketball? I always felt like that was a slog offensively even as a teenager. I was a Spurs fan so seeing 4 Down for Duncan was so common place that it blew my mind when the offense revamped around 2010 and the "beautiful game" (often referenced in 2014 run) emerged
That's the era I starterd with and I hated the spurs cause I thought they were boring lol amazing team ofc
@@quelaagging8532 oh, man. They had a cool Nike ad after 2014 that said "Too old. Too slow. Too boring. Too fundamental. Too bad" and had the silhouette of the trophy. I'm like "just rack up them championships!" lol
@@Chandasouk to this day it's my favorite Era.
I’ve watched early 2000’s basketball and it’s certainly slow, but I enjoyed watching what I watched
If Charles Barkley teamed up with the Houston rockets before Michael Jordan left to play baseball, how many championships does Charles Barkley have with the dream
two or three easily
Imagine if Clyde, Barkley and Hakeem played together throughout their entire careers.
Say what you want about the lower parts of the league being weaker, but those three won 57 games when they were older.
Keep this same energy when they clap back on the mediocre 2010s era.
2010's Era of Big men were 🚮.
Lol we will
Funny right? It's a new thing for the youngest generations, not just in basketbal but in other sports too all claiming that this era, is the best, which is the only era they actually saw live with their eyes.
Nostalgia is something, but being a prisoner of the moment works a lot stronger. One is actually at least based on experience. The other is merely a hunge.
@@al-muwaffaq341 You won’t. You’ll be just as mad as the old heads are now 🤣
@@Herosennin Its not new its been happening for every sport forever
Welcome back. I love this channel. Hope everything's good. ❤
WELCOME BACK!!!
I clicked so fast. I thought I was getting re-recommended an older video. Welcome back
He's backkkkk. Its been too long 🥹
The funny thing about these kind of videos is they’re just as one sided and biased, if not more, than the old heads who make videos talking about how great the 80’s/90’s were lol Y’all really need to get a life and just learn the appreciate both the past and the present. Every era has their hang ups. Especially since in 20-30 years, the younger generation then will be nitpicking this era the exact same way. Then y’all will be as butthurt as the old dudes are now 🤣
Then don’t watch it 😂😂😂 yall crying
hows it one sided and biased, lets actually hear some counter arguments, i dont wanna see a grown man in his 50ths crying, actually counter the points😂
@@nziking2267 I’m not 50, kid. But I’m also not a tide pod eating “Zoomer”. I don’t make videos but I could gladly point you in the direction of one that actually makes both sides look rather dumb 🤷🏾♂️
@@yungesjosef How am I crying? Because I said something you don’t agree with? Lol You dudes get on here and say anything
@@IAmMe0221 You literally wrote a whole paragraph disagreeing with the video. You literally crying in the comment section of a video that doesn’t agree with your opinion. Like I said don’t watch it. But you couldn’t resist and you think your opinion means something so you wrote it out seeking validation. Stop crying and go make your own videos. You whining but “we say anything”.
All you did was make a stronger case for the 90’s 😂
Hell no lol u just slow
I started watching ball in the 90s. I loved the sport. Eventually got season tickets in 00’s. Watched other teams play as well. But as the 2010’s wore on I found myself caring less and less and I realized I just don’t like the type of game being played. I don’t like the personalities and individuals. I don’t like the super teams. And I don’t like the politicization of the sport. I went from a super fan to actively hoping for its failure. And judging by the rating I’m not the only one…
Don’t even get me started. I’ve been a huge sports fan since the 90s. Basketball was my favorite sport and I was obsessed with playing and watching it.
I still watch the other sports that I used to watch in the 90s. I can’t even watch a NBA game now even if I have a heavy bet on it. That’s how boring this current product is. It ain’t nostalgia.
Dont like superteams but the same 4 teams won everything in the 80s and 90s. 😂
That’s because you are nostalgic
@@mattc5647 I do t remember mentioning the 80s… I started watching in the 90s. There was only one super team. The Bulls. And they drafted their talent for the most part. And while I got a little tired of Jordan being so dominant you had to respect their organization and how they built their team.
@@rafikz77 yeah. I’m nostalgic for 2011 😂 in all honest the 00s were the best in my eyes. Good teams. Good parity. Nobody manufacturing super teams. That ended with Miami, though arguably the Celtics big three started all this nonsense.
This is just a 25 minute vid of social media talking points with stat graphics and not-in-good faith comparisons
How do the boots taste?
@@lucassipe9448 You tell us, boy.
@@lucassipe9448Don't speak until you wash that fresh boot smell out of your mouth, you stink
Comparing eras/decades is stupid to me.... the evolution of basketball is not set by decades... stop putting the game in a box....... its a slow progression and evolution due to emphasis on skill sets, past knowledge and rule changes...
DUDE welcome back, you were missed
Bro is back after 3 years
I expected better of this channel after being a fan for many years for your older content. The argument you make about the teams Jordan faced is genuinely one of the worst arguments I have seen in an NBA debate because it rests on a totally unverifiable counterfactual. What if the Pacers had Kawhi or the Jazz had Steph Curry is as pointless as asking if LeBron would have won in 2012 if the Thunder had a prime Gary Payton as opposed to a young James Harden, if he would have won in 2013 if the Pacers had a prime Reggie Miller or if LeBron would have won in 2016 if the Warriors had Malone or Barkley or Kemp. A completely pointless argument biased against Jordan and his accomplishments
hes making the counterfactual because of expansion diluted the league. That means the teams he played against were weaker than if expansion didnt take place.
imagine if the current 30 team league had the 6 worst teams disband. And the players are distributed to the rest. So the Hornets, Pistons, Wizards, Spurs, Blazers and Grizzlies had all its best players join the other 24.
@@ouchh35 makes no sense because jordan beat the pistons with 3 hof, dpoy, and 5 past multiple time all-stars then went on to beat the lakers with 3 all-star players in the finals. He faced the portland trail blazers with 3 all star level players, and in 93 he was an underdog to the knicks and then faced the suns who were winning 50+ games 4 years straight and then added charles barkley an mvp level player. All of this with only 1 all-star on his own team. LeBron needed to join another top 5 and top 10 player in order to win 2 in miami and choked vs a team with far less talent his first year there... give me a fucking break
@@ouchh35 yawn with that nonsense trolll
Just say you love Suckin jordan off and move on
90"s was the peak of basketball because the 3-pt line was used but not too much, so there was still unspaced, high traffic situations that required quicker, superior instinct and contested shot-making on 2-pointers (mid-range) that today's players lack and don't develop in today's spaced-out hands-off era.. This gets exposed in international play where there's more physicality and less spacing.. today's players drastically underperformed in this tougher 90's style format (advanced basketball vs today's beginner format
Not being able to shoot and being unskilled doesnt make basketball better. It's literally called basket-ball as in you are shooting a ball in to basket, duh
"This gets exposed in international play" oh you mean the play where the USA routinely wins medals and has dominated year in and year out? We don't send any of our top 5 players year after year and somehow are the favorites in every single tournament but yeah we get slaughtered
@@lucassipe9448 we just lost and it doesn't matter that we don't send our best because the team is full of all-nba players while other teams are lucky to have 1 or the wild exception of 2 - so we have crazy stacked team advantage in talent but barely win and actually just lost in our last big international play (Worlds).. Imagine needing Kobe to save a Lebron/Wade team in 2008 against a team led by 1x all-star and 0x all-nba Pau (before Kobe made him perennial all-nba).. Kobe had expert jumpshooting skill, so he could play off-ball and play off teammates.. Otoh, Lebron's lack of expert jumpshooting skill and the resulting ball-dominance imposes spot-up roles that stall young players, thereby needing ready-made stars to win.. That's why zero young players grew from low producers to meaningful producers on Lebron's watch, while jumpshooters like MJ or Curry grow babies like Pippen, BJ, Grant, Klay and Dray into meaningful producers because they don't impose spot-up roles like Lebron (4-6)
@@lucassipe9448 Yep these dummies acting like US stopped being dominant in Olympics and doesnt have a 29-1 record in their last 30 games
The midrange game was more prevalent because of the illegal defense rule... You couldn't double team players. You can run screens until you get a mismatch or an open lane and there's NOTHING the defense can do about it. Get a plumber trying to cover Jordan and he'd cook them off the dribble and pull up mid range for an easy shot... OR he'd drive to the basket and get fouled from a defender rotating late because they HAD to rotate late... Defenses are BETTER today. By a MILE. But so are offenses
I love your analysis bro. Good work.
I have missed you so much brother, I hope this video goes viral, MJ is the GOAT
I dont think you watched the whole video
@@Poopopotamusgaming yes I did
@@Poopopotamusgaming😂😂😂
In the summer of 2023, Giannis Antetokounmpo paid $50,000 per day to take lessons from Hakeem Olajuwon. Lebum and Dwight Howard, among others, had also taken lessons from Hakeem, who once laughed when they asked him if Lebalco could be compared to Michael Jordan, saying that MJ was a far superior player. It's so funny hearing ignorant young fans (?) saying, "We done with the 90s," when current stars actually pay to take lessons from 90s players.
Well it's not like the retired guys are going to pay active players for training when they have no reason to play anymore
Funny as hell that this tiktok shit brought you out of retirement 🤣🤣
Thank you for this great insightful analysis. As a 90s kid who grew up loving the 90s NBA, this was a painful eye-opener, but as an objective grown-up who still follows and loves the modern NBA, the comparisons and truly laughable. The only way people can deny it is being nostalgic and biased to an unbearable extent.
Yawn trolll. You didnt grow up in no 90s
cant really blame them though, the Sports media is the main culprit in keeping the "90s was the greatest era" narrative going. Most people don't think for themselves, they fall victim to propaganda and advertising. 90s was a really bad era, but the main reason the media protects it is because of the Jordan brand is worth billions, and he still makes money for people.
At no point in human history, has a video saying tiktok got it right had anything of value to say. You've continued that trend.
Thanks for again another informative video showing facts with sounds logic and evaluation. People are too emotionally attached to overrating the 90s mainly to bolster MJs legacy. Cant really argue against this
TikTok with sounds of logic and evaluation? Yeah and today's league isn't moist as defected maxi-pads after menstruation. Overrate 90s to bolster MJ's legacy? It was the King of the flop who said “Michael Jordan was kind of like that GOD. He was that angel sent from heaven that I kind of used to get me through some of the darkest days that I had.” It was Kevin Durant who said “His skills for the game. His IQ for the game. And his athleticism all combined at once made him a GOD level player. He skill level is unmatched. He’d be the best player in the NBA today." It was Shaq who said "I enjoyed talking smack to everybody except Jordan cause you don’t want to mess with GOD.” It was Kevin Garnett who said “I thought Michael Jordan was Jesus Christ playing to be Michael Jordan.” It was T-Mac who said when he first saw MJ in person "He was glowing and levitating like a GOD." It was Richard Jefferson who said “MJ was a GOD. He still is.” It was Iverson that said “MJ didn't look real. He’s the only person in my life that I ever met who didn't look human to me. I literally saw his aura. It looked like he was glowing.” It was Shannon Sharpe that said "Elevator door opened and its bright. MJ and his wife walked in and Mike is glowing. I was in awe. This man doesn’t seem real. He’s the only man that I’ve ever met - he seem mythical. He levitate and anybody that’s ever met him say the exact same thing.” It was Dwyane Wade that said "Seeing and talking to Jordan is having an out of body experience." It was Jayson Tatum that said "Even when I see Jordan's name come across my phone, it still doesn't seem real." It was Barkley who said after he saw Jordan play at 84 Olympic trials “I just saw something I’ve never seen in my life before.” It was Zach LaVine who said “He was the idol of all idols. I don’t think anybody can touch his legacy or his greatness. I always have MJ as the best player ever.” These are players that have played at the highest level, unlike TikTokers. The reverence MJ attains is Trump brain damage insane. Black Jesus - He who didn't walk on water cause he preferred the air. #GOAT
@@katrinachavez3533 this is too much lip service for me to even think that u believe the shit your saying. i read a halfway then just had to quit. stop talking out of your ass
Hahaha using Tik Tok as a source. Nice try kid
@@dominicharris5489stay mad kid
@@nonamewillbegiven1217 u focusing on the fact that this originated from tiktok and ignoring ALL of the sound logic and facts as proof in this video is.. .to say the least, completely stupid. if im a kid saying this to you thats even worst. im sure your a grown ass man. which makes this embarrassing for you
I'm glad you're back but why would you return to hate on the 90s? It was the most glorious and incredible era of basketball. Players just take practice 3s for half of their possessions now and there are constantly ticky tack fouls...
BABE WAKE UP! NEW BASKETBALL EXAMINED VIDEO JUST DROPPED
What are you talking about. Today are brunch of damn snowflakes! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
This is why I love your channel, loved all your videos. Even I cant acknowledge the truth in some of your videos but I respect the truth in all of them.
There is no truth in them. Nice try trolll
I've always disagreed that today's players are more skilled or talented than past players. Each era had it's high flyers and exceptional ball handlers and passers. What changed were the rules, money, and the way athletes trained
Well, everyone in the NBA is talented, that's the basic price of admission. But in regards to skill, today's players are just superior. The eye test and efficiency numbers back this up.
@@BasketballExaminedthe shooting numbers were not boosted by skills. That was a result of rule changes after 2004.
The fact that you spoke on the hand check rule like they took it out in 94 let's me know you didn't really watch the game. Hand check was not really abolished till 2004 rule change. Look it up.
@@dewanewelch1744 The shooting numbers were boosted by rule changes and better work ethic from this generation of players. 90's players have admitted time and time again, that they would barely stay after practice to work on their game. Once practice was done, they went home and enjoyed themselves.
@@BasketballExamined 2 things can be true at once. Alot of 90s players were hold over to the 2000s. Those same holds overs once the rules were changed they shoting numbers sky rocketed just like every other wings numbers did after that 04 season. It didn't matter if they had just been drafted or a hold over from the 90s. LOW legit just did a video of this about 3 days ago. Way to many rules and officiating changes have been made to solely chalk the shooting numbers up to just skill alone.
You earned my sub, every other channel is scared of the facts.
No one has a response other than to be mad and cry.
Then you’re not paying attention 😂
No facts found. Hold the L
IT being taller than Muggsy is irrelevant because IT is still waaaaaay shorter than the average height of an NBA player. He’s the height of an average male and he still averaged almost 30 a game at his peak less than a decade ago. Coupled with the fact that NBA players now are so much “bigger and stronger”, right? You literally made no point there.
This isn’t the burn you think it is. You’re comparing a 7 year starter to someone who barely lasted 7 years in the league. IT had to have a team built around him that could completely hide him on defense, whereas the league was so bad in bogues’s day people actually claimed he was a decent defender
Not to mention how this was never an IT vs Bogues debate, this is about how basically every short nba player except for IT (who again, needed a perfectly crafted team around him) played during the 90s, when competition was objectively watered down compared to other eras
1. *IT being taller than Muggsy is irrelevant* - Ah yes, it's irrelevant to give context when comparing the shortest player in NBA History with anyone else. Got it.
2. *he still averaged almost 30 a game at his peak* - IT was only good for 1 season & that was w/Brad Stevens pulling every trick in the book to hide IT's flaws, which wasn't sustainable. He was the fair in town for a month until the main attraction arrived, and when that came (in the form of Jayson Tatum in the 2017 draft), guess who got shipped out?
3. Selecting Muggsy Bogues as the 12th pick in the 1987 Draft tells you all you need to know about the talent back then. For context, IT was the last pick in the 2011 Draft.
@@BasketballExaminedLOL STUPID
@@HenryZhoupokemon Just like this wasn’t the burn you thought it was. The point is, he used height (or lack thereof, rather) as a means to make his point. IT only lasted 7 or so seasons in the league is only because of his hip injury, which you conveniently left out. And him having his team at the time being built around him is literally a none factor. First of all, isn’t that what a franchise is supposed to do? Build around their best player? Secondly, even earlier in his career with the Kings when that team was built around Boogie Cousins, IT still averaged an efficient 20 a game his last season there. I’m sorry but you made no real point here. Again, he used the fact that short(er) players played in the 90’s. Yet none of those players could even do what IT was doing (offensively) even in his Kings days. So if everything in that era vs 90’s era is better, then there is no reason that IT should’ve been able to score the way he did. And like I mentioned earlier, the average NBA player is “bigger and stronger”. I don’t care what excuse you come up with. The overall point is, that was a biased take.
I guess Earl Boykins at 5'5 never played in the league with LeBron, Carmelo and Wade and one season averaged 15 points per game right? Or Calvin Murphy with the Rockets in the 70s at 5'9. It wasn't just the 90 with short players.
WELCOME BACK MAN
I swear no matter how much truth you tell with the evidence to prove it. Jordan's legacy is bulletproof to his delusional fan base. The 90's are overrated because of one player's marketing was that damn good. Round of applause to Nike and David Stern!
Wilt Chamberlain to Michael Jordan: When I played, they made it harder for me. When you played, they made it easier for you." Just paraphrasing here.
Also while I may agree with most if not all the points made here, I also think the 90s are still great. It's just that the league now has officially crowned someone to be the "Face of the League" after Magic and Bird retired. Not saying MJ isn't great, he's amazing! Then couple that with pre social media with only newspapers and TV and articles and books to see. If MJ is playing today, he'd average 50 or something, sure. But the media will be feasting on the fact that he'll be gambling, does crypto, etc. The same way LeBron and other stars today face but with MJ it'll be his off court issues as well as his on court issues.
At the end of the day I still view Jordan as one of the GOATs not THE GOAT. Same with LeBron, Wilt, Russell, Magic, Bird, Kareem, etc. I'm born in the mid 90s but even then I don't crown LeBron or Wilt or Russell, etc. as THE GOAT but one of the GOATs. Cause I respect the ones that came before and after.
Even if LeBron switched places with MJ. LeBron having his own line of shoes, saved the world with Space Jam, etc. I still wouldn't crown him as THE GOAT. Same applies with any of the GOATs switching places with MJ.
@SirSan2313 exactly how I feel. I'm a 8os kid I loved the 9os and I still do but I also can be honest about what happened. I will not be a prisoner of the past. I always say jordan is the goat but if I had to build a franchise and I had the 1st pick of anyone in nba history I'm taking bron. With all his flaws he is still the better overall player.
We can't and shouldn't compare eras. I hate that these fans feel like you have to pick 1. I will not, kobe mike, bird and lebron are the best players I have ever seen and steph is top 10.
@ksmith4343 This is a level headed answer that I can get behind and respect.
seems like the youg kids are the ones stuck on this.. the old heads are just saying it was better before. thats not a fact and its not false either. ratings have been the lowest in the last 5 years, with 2020 being the LOWEST EVER.. the 90s had the HIGHEST ratings EVER.. the highest period of ratings for the NBA was from 1982 to 2001. since 2001 not ONE year has had higher ratings than the LOWEST YEAR from 1982 to 1
2001.. you guys talk about how good todays NBA is but nobody is watching. you guys just catch the highlights.
-im just guna copy and paste cuz this is ridiculous.
@soramirez5473 ok, do you judge today's artist on record sales. Is Drake less successful than too short. If you look at physical album sales, he is. There are 3 times the number of games available today. So, one game getting 30 million versus 10 games getting 8 million per game proves what exactly. Ratings are only counting USA viewers, so the rest of the world doesn't count, not even Canada, who has a team. Mjs fan base is the casual nba fan, fans who only watch highlights and nba debates. The fan that barely watched mj and were children a few years removed from watching cartoons when mj played.
The fact is that it was more difficult to score in the 90's. Whether it's because better individual defense, the change of rules, or both. One of the highest stat accumulators, Luka Doncic, says it's far easier to score in the NBA than the Euroleague. The Euroleague plays 90's style basketball.
It’s because the average player was not very good at shooting, and couldn’t create their own shots..
Best era?? Lowest TV ratings ever. 😂 lejuice has no pull😅😅
Lower TV ratings are expected with TH-camTV, HULU, and other streaming sites + illegal streaming. Add to that the fact that NBA games are no longer on channels accessible to the public like CBS, FOX, and NBC (like the NFL), and yeah - that'll do it.
@@BasketballExamined lf ppl want to watch they'll find a way to watch if its good. The NBA sucks now and nobody cares about it expect delusional ppl like you. The product sucks and the all star lowest viewership ever.
@@BasketballExamined1998 finals still averaged more than any modern NBA finals even with those streaming sites. Delete your account. You aren’t even a professional. Nobody cares what you have to say. If they did you would have 1 million subscribers. Good luck getting your that number buddy 😂.
Ain't no way bro. This man awoke from his slumber lol
Well I will say the late 90’s early 2000’s set the nba back because everybody was a ball hog. Nobody wanted to team up with each other, everybody wanted to be the star of the team. The excuses they gave was” they can’t team up, everybody is going to want the ball”
True
That’s the due to Michael Jordan..
@@howsittastes facts they copied MJ use of hero ball which it set the NBA back
Hearing yo background music again is a trip😂. Welcome back dawg
You know why you lose this argument, mj won 3 rings with the hard fouls and if we are done with the 90s. Why is it that ratings are at a all time low, ppl are done with basketball, if nba was better in this 2010 era why isn't the ratings higher.
The league may have been more popular in previous eras, but in fairness to today, if all you do is straight up compare raw TV ratings then you’ll end up selling the present moment short.
Wow I haven’t seen a video from this channel in a minute! It’s great to have you back 👌🏽
Decades and years are a human construct. Time is continuum. So by Lebron fanboys logic, 2000 was the start of better basketball because December 31st 1999 could be crossed off the calendar. Just plain idiotic. And the six degrees of seperation doesn’t allow such a major contrast from one decade going into the other. You have many of the same players, the same coaches, former players who become coaches, the same coaching philosophies, the same plays, etc. This is just the latest installment of toxic fan boyism. It wasn’t enough to call these professional athletes “plumbers” but going for the third rail of nihlistic behavior by burning down a whole ten year period is A1 goofyness by this stupid entitled generation.
Why you mention lebron this happens all the time on videos that have nothing to do with him
why aren't their dinosaurs existing anymore ? Why do certain animals go extinct and others thrive in this new environment?
@@ryanr20091 man, that’s a terrible analogy. You are comparing a cataclysmic event to basketball. We’d all succumb to a giant asteroid hitting the earth. There’s no “survival of the fittest”.
@@capbruhcorn nature selected dinosaurs out placing us in the point. btw that wasn't the first cataclysmic event and won't be the last .
Look at the world today and ask yourself would the dinosaurs thrive in this current environment? if the answer is no why or Why not ?
Welcome back.
These old heads mad that the 90s will never come back
Thanks for proving why the 90s is better
@@nonamewillbegiven the 90’s are over and not coming back……Let it go
@@leonardhall3998 try harder kid
@@leonardhall3998 NBA tv ratings have been in the toilet for years 😂
Correction. You young heads are on meth. We don't argue with people who can't write in cursive. 😂
This is without a doubt the best video I've ever seen on the topic of evaluating 90s basketball. Great work. Additional things to consider when comparing eras: advancement in analytics, years of specialization, size of the talent pool, advancement in science (including PEDs and shoes).
Hold the L trolll
Wet bread era because the new area would be too busy crying
Yup, they’re literally exposing themselves as weak,soft, coddled whimps. 😂😂😂
@@GhostNinjaTactical Yeah because elbowing a player because he's so much better than you at basketball takes so much skill
@@ballinboxer3676 Just admit you’re soft, you’d probably want football to be flag football. “Tackling is way too dangerous!” The NBA is a mens league, well it’s supposed to be. The modern nba is basically the wnba but with dunking. Soft like Charmin kid.
If you want people getting beat up go watch football or MMA, its basketball
@@Poopopotamusgaming no I don't want to see people get beat up my point was back then They played threw the contact instead of stopping in mid play to cry
Celtics used 90s era basketball defense to shut down KD in 2022 playoffs. Watered down defense has produced overinflated scoring stats in Lebron era. Nuff said
Higher pace would’ve led to more scoring regardless, but still.
Thumbs down👎👎and very disappointed. I'm not a Jordansexual (my favorite all time is Hakeem Olajuwon) but the 90s NBA was incredible. You had :
- great franchise rivalries (the end of the Bulls vs Pistons Bad Boys rivalry, Bulls-Knicks, Bulls-Jazz, Knicks-Heat, Knicks-Pacers, Sonics-Rockets, Jazz-Sonics, Spurs-Suns etc.)
- legendary games and series like Jordan shrug game vs Portland, Jordan flu game vs Jazz, 1995 Suns-Rockets game 7 Mario Elie "Kiss of Death" buzzer beater, 1997 Rockets-Jazz game 6 with Stockton buzzer beater, Nuggets-Sonics series in 1993 with Mutombo on fire in defense, Rockets-Spurs in 1995 where Olajuwon destroys David Robinson, Magic-Rockets 1995 finals game 1 with Nick 'The Brick' Anderson missing 4 important free throws in a row, the violent but classic series Bulls-Knicks 1992 and Heat-Knicks 1997 etc.
- players' rivalries (Jordan & Reggie Miller, Jordan & Drexler, fit Shaq & David Robinson, Zo Mourning & Larry Johnson, Payton-Stockton, Payton & Kevin Johnson, Olajuwon & Pat Ewing, Olajuwon-D.Robinson, Rodman vs the entire NBA players LOL)
- innovators and "once in a lifetime" players like MJ, a young Shaq, Olajuwon (a center who could move like a guard and blocks leader all-time), John Stockton (steals and assists leader all-time) Abdul-Rauf (Curry before Curry), Grant Hill (LeBron before LeBron), Muggsy Bogues (the 5'3 Hornets point guard) David Robinson (quadruple double in 1994), Vlade Divac (one of the first stretch 5 with Laimbeer & Sikma) Mark Price (pioneer of the splitting of the double team) etc.
- lots of guys with hot temper like Dennis Rodman, Vernon Maxwell, Kevin Garnett, Rasheed Wallace, Frank Brickowski, Charles Barkley, Xavier McDaniel, Charles Oakley, Anthony Mason, Christian Laettner, Latrell Sprewell, Zo Mourning, Gary Payton, Karl Malone, Bill Laimbeer and Danny Ainge at the twilight of their careers etc.
- young legends already on fire like Shaq, Kobe, Iverson, Jason Kidd, Chris Webber, Rasheed Wallace, Kevin Garnett, Tim Duncan, Vince Carter in 1999
- lots of "What If" (Drazen Petrovic and Reggie Lewis careers, Mitch Richmond and Chris Webber if they were in a bigger franchise, Rod Strickland or Kenny Anderson if they had a better behaviour, Larry Johnson and Penny Hardaway if they weren't injured, Magic Johnson if he didn't have AIDS etc.)
I can admit that the 90s NBA had flaws, Jordan was protected by the referees, zone defense was forbidden so the flow of offense was different compared to modern NBA. But it was a man-to-man era. So, you had intensity, physicality, alpha male mentality, legendary trashtalking, a real badass competition. Every points scored had value. Every games won really meant something.
The 90s NBA was the fruit of its time, but what a time it was! (Music, cinema, comics, video games, TV, sports, fashion, women, WOW!). NBA was like watching an action movie , the Jerry Springer Show and the "Monday Night Wars" of pro-wrestling at the same time but with an orange ball, LOL !
But statistics and 10 minute highlights can't describe what we experienced live and it's sad that younger generations can't understand because the 90s NBA was too fun to watch. Even the all-star games were "badass". It was a league with "larger than life" players and it was a pleasure to see "History in the making".
And now we're in 2024 and the NBA is the fruit of its terrible modern time. The average points explosion and modern players' skills will never hide players' diva behaviour, superteams, load management problems, defense limited by modern NBA rules, horrible carrying rules, terrible refereeing, all teams playing the same way, LeBron as terrible face of the company, wokeness, a drag queen show in half-time Bucks game... In short, a soft and horrible league disrespecting basketball and fans, with a terrible commissioner and insufferable players for the most part.
Are you happy with that modern NBA crap ? I'm not and trust me I'm not the only one.
#NeverDoneWithThe90s
Literally none of that has to do the quality of the basketball on the floor.
@@lucassipe9448 I explained it but apparently you didn't read my long comment entirely (that there can't be qualities in modern NBA because the entire NBA product sucks because of the modern context and the terrible political direction they took).
Agree with everything except the “Jordan was protected by the refs” point. That’s BS. He went to the FT line at roughly the same rate as any other super star ever. And on top of that he shot more so he should’ve gone to the line MORE as a result.
@@loulou7194there is no such thing as a Jordansexual you trolll
@@loulou7194 Jordan was not protected by the refs and no zone was gonna impact the offense. Nice try trolll
Ppl love the 90s so they romanticize the hoop game of the 90s as well. Subtract the love and u see bigger, faster, stronger, more skill, more systems. That is due to generations past however it’s ok to acknowledge evolution.
Your son going to say , who dominated your era dad. You gonna say it was Jim Cracker and Tom Whitey son🤣🤣🤣
WHEN WE NEEDED HIM MOST HE DELIVERED. This guy doesn’t even understand how huge his channel would’ve been if he stayed consistent. Thinking Basketball and you are top dogs in the space of deep dives. Btw Bron still should have more than 4 MVPs!😂 Welcome back
Always with the epic analysis.
He came back and left again
Soo happy to see you back
*FINALLY You're BACK !*
You're the Opposite of Gilbert Arenas. Obvious Logic and Stats Instead Emotional Wild Takes
It's really simple. Better Offensive Players, Faster Pace = More Scoring (and More injuries too ?! I'd really like to have your take on that...)
Today's great Defenders Are really More talented defenders too, Because they Have a way slimmer room to operate than their 90s counterparts who could FOUL At Will.
*Funny How every time there is a 90s Gatekeeper Opposing the 90s Bulls to the 2017 Warriors, they want the Old rules too...* 😅🤣 *it says everything.*
No obvious logic and stats found
There is no defense today. Nice try trolll
Yeaaaaa!!!! Let’s go. Finally!