Can Malays and Chinese See Eye to Eye? [Break the Bubble Ep7]
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0:00 今天聊什么？
0:51 友族嘉宾！
2:01 友族朋友你有多少？
5:06 种族分化的真正原因？
7:37 一定要统一教育？
9:17 多源流教育的真正含义
10:22 突破同温层新方法
11:27 你可曾面对过种族歧视？
14:02 经历hate speech？
20:17 你相信，每个族群都有平等的权利吗？
31:47 平等权利还有必要吗？
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我是中国人，我的评价是，文化可以交流融合，但是宗教从根本上分化了人群，再加上信伊斯兰教的人相对来说比较极端，容易被带节奏挑唆怂恿，思想比较固执。要么加入马来信伊斯兰教彻底被同化，祝你们好运吧，抱团取暖聚集起来独立建国，像新加坡一样也是不错的选择，华人有悠久丰富的历史做支撑，勤劳，聪明，团结，还怕造不出第二个新加坡吗？什么种族团结都是做梦，最终结果都是一方同化一方。
@@loganwong3012 lai aa..join Islam, you truly be safe!
我的老婆说谁说女人一定跑输男人，她和我一起跑，输的一定是我，科学证明了什么？😂😂
@@user-nw4si7it4q 因为你追她跑如果她跑得慢被你追上就会有“出人命的风险”
Thank you BBK for the opportunity. Really appreciate this very much.
Thank you Dr Fairuz!
We had great time together ❤
Thanks Dr Fairuz for sharing your thought. Sila datang lagi, ya. 🙂
Thank you Dr Fairuz! I learnt a lot from you in this episode! 👍👍
Very courageous 🙆🙇🙏
Terima kasih atas perbincangan topik ini. Kita sebagai rakyat Malaysia harus adil antara setiap kaum. Walaupun kita mempunyai perbezaan bahasa agama dan kaum.
@Kenji Hansolo kita perlu buat kek yang lebih besar
that's all is because humanity. try to switch the Phenomenon which is malay only 30% and non malay is 70% and their have a priority to non malay.
will majority non malay sound out the 'sensitive' issues? Be the sinner ？ will you benefit from ？or just keep silent is the best way？
@@izdiharsahalan tapi bang, pernah tak fikir kenapa kek kita tak besar? Budak A dapat 11A SPM dan budak B dapat 6A SPM tetapi budak B pula dipupuk sebagai ahli professional hanya kerana perbezaan warna kulit dan kepercayaan budak A. Sekiranya budak-budak yang kurang layak untuk dipupuk sebagai ahli professional, maka daya saing negara kita akan semakin mundur sebab bakat orang yang berbakat itu sudah dikorek oleh negara lain (US,UK, AUS, CN, SG) dan yang tertinggal hanyalah orang yang kurang bijak tu. Vietnam baru dialami peperangan 50 tahun yang lalu tetapi ekonomi mereka sudah hampir sama dengan kita ni. Sampai bila baru kita nak menghadapi dan menangani punca kek kita yang semakin kecil ni?
Kalau Malaysian dilayan secara adil, mengiktiraf usaha warganya.
Malaysian akan komited dan bersungguh-sungguh dalam bidang mereka masing2, sama-sama bikin kek yang lebih besar. 😊
@Kenji Hansolo well said.. Socialism or communism can only make everyone equal by making everyone poor. China's economy boomed when they embraced capitalism.
Im a Malay, just wanna say that thankgod my parent sent me to SJKC back then. there’s alot of benefit and advantage knowing Mandarin, i even have a Chinese bestfriend. So lucky being a Malaysian that have a multi races. We can learn more about each other
I do hope that more Malays think like you. From what I have heard that is going on in the Sekolah ke kebangsaan and the SKJC I feel that in the SJKC really push for unity and diversity whilst the sekolah kebangsaan promotes Malay supremacy. I really hope I am wrong.
I mean, I like the idea too but if all the student goes to SJKC or SJKT, who would go to the SK school? Maybe it would be better to not have SJKT at all? Not hating the Chinese and the Indian but with that way, all race will be able to enjoy the same education environment and growing up learning about each other.
I hope you all don't get me wrong, I am not promoting any school type. I just hope that all the national schools should promote more unity amongst all students rather than promoting Malay Supremacy. In that way one day soon, Malaysia will be truly united as a nation. This feels so badd becuase after 60 years of forming Malaysia, we are still talking about uniting each other. All thanks to the politicians who want to hold on to power with their divide and rule politics.
so do u got a chance to use mandarin in any jobs and have good salary?
@@subonium well yes, back then when i worked as a Telemarketer, the company offered me extra RM500 as a minimum allowance :)
影片给我的感觉，其实马来嘉宾心里也知道（或真的不知道）马来西亚确实有很多法令或者政策是偏向于马来人的利益，可是又不能直接承认，所以给了很多不切实际的例子，例如国外公司的偏袒，祈祷室太小对穆斯林的忽视，来尝试说服华人嘉宾其实马来同胞也一样被差别对待，没有优势。 但这些例子都是以foreigner(外国人）的角度去解释，对于主持人针对马来西亚国民的问题是不贴切的。除非他们真的把华人当作是foreigner(外国人)的角度去思考这个问题，那答案就不一样了。 不过还是要谢谢马来同胞的分享，毕竟他们也勇于发表自己的意见，让大家更清楚他们的观点。love peace, no hate
我覺得這兩個馬來嘉賓提出他們在國外的經歷其實也不是為了說服華人說馬來人也一樣被差別對待吧。他們想表達主要的點他們自己也說了，“去到國外作為少數群體才體會到被區別對待的感覺”。而且他們這反應也是明白馬來西亞政府的一些相關政策是不公平的，但又沒辦法挑的太明。
@@qwl32因為給他們土著特權的是政府。。他們只是跟罷了
明白事理的開明馬來人確實懂的種族偏差政策，他們應該也是覺得尷尬的不公的。每個宗教教義都不會鼓勵信徒不公平對待其他人。
@@hiworld1191 俄呵呵。。。辣個宗教教義可是有講的。。異教徒教堂和廟不可以高過回教堂。。要收保護費等等。。只是實施程度看統治者的心情
@@ludai602 要去查看或者問問別人，到底外國的是不是有規定異教徒教堂和廟不可以高過回教堂了，或是只有發生在馬來西亞而已？
Dr. Fairuz mentioned the experience in Ireland (which has the experience of being a minority), but as Wee said, Chinese and Indians are Malaysians too, not foreigners. That's what the government must consider to give equal rights to each Malaysian , but not based on their skin colour or religion. This is an era in which each race can fight for themselves in economic / society independently. It is an undeniable fact if the policies continue to award benefits according to racial groups.
Strongly agree with Mr Ainul that it is the "inequity" caused by lack of big cake, i.e. if the country focuses more on educational resources allowing more students to get the same educational qualifications, forming an equivalence between supply and demand, students will benefit.
He mean we are outsider, we deserve this.
@@Knightofdota exactly and im lucky that im out of this shithole
@@Knightofdota其实不可以全怪他们 从小就被灌输出他族皆外来者的思想 但有些事情必须要澄清 当初若没有他们口中的外来者 这片土地上是不被允许获得独立的咯 这表明独立是需靠各族合作同意才获得的 这就是为什么我们被称为华裔而不是华侨 两者是有区别的 再言 谁是最早来到这片土地的 谁是外来者 说实话不好讲 哈哈哈哈 毕竟li史都gai到不xiang样 (大家自己去看看现在的li史 写谁是KL的开发者)
@@Knightofdota No, it's just that the examples given are biased and his purpose is actually to speak about the helplessness of being a minority group.😅
不推不行！就是要这种内容！团结马来西亚靠你们了 BBK!!! 打破族群矛盾，一起让种族差异不再是问题。各族团结和睦，自然国外其他种族也会被吸引到马来西亚！！
關鍵華人不halal😂😂
我是中国人，我的评价是，文化可以交流融合，但是宗教从根本上分化了人群，再加上信伊斯兰教的人相对来说比较极端，容易被带节奏挑唆怂恿，思想比较固执。要么加入马来信伊斯兰教彻底被同化，祝你们好运吧，抱团取暖聚集起来独立建国，像新加坡一样也是不错的选择，华人有悠久丰富的历史做支撑，勤劳，聪明，团结，还怕造不出第二个新加坡吗？什么种族团结都是做梦，最终结果都是一方同化一方
@@loganwong3012 关键不在于宗教，而是马来人还是一直认为他们是马来西亚的先驱，就该让马来族群优先，仅此而已。就像如果中国越来越多日本人之后，日本人变成中国人在中国土地生长，之后要跟中国要求同等待遇，你们会给吗？哦对不起，中国 是不可能有 “要求”这种事发生。
@@loganwong3012 你们这些中国人教唆华人独立建国的就是破坏大马团结的一大因素。马来人最喜欢你们这种极端言论
@@loganwong3012 中国人请不要分化马来西亚人，个人认为马来西亚人内部是很很团结的，也不必去评论你不是很懂的伊斯兰教，你要是懂得伊斯兰教，你会知道回教的教义都很柔和，都是在教人行善。我们马来西亚尊重宗教自由！
I’m a Chinese Malaysian but I really enjoyed making friend with malays , they are super friendly!!! Luv them ❤
我來自台灣，，很高興看到這個節目，深深感動，素質很高的探討方式，，大家都能聽對方也能提出自己的論點，在台灣幾乎沒有看到，很多台灣節目，都請固定的人，配合節目所需要做製造的論點，沒有參加者的理論論點， 馬來西亞在民主社會上，超進步，敬佩
不少台灣人覺得自己的民主在全亞洲排名第一…卻沒意識到自己的民主多麽混沌和畸形和病態…整天圍繞這國安問題吵來吵去其他事情都不討論…那些覺得自己的民主社會最厲害的人超可悲超井底之蛙
推薦公視主題之夜，每一集邀集不同背景的民眾討論議題
最少台湾护照可以出免签证好多国家那就证明什么？证明一个国家得到别人尊重。和多马来人或者华人一直认为回教还是中国等等有关系。拜托你们思想太古老了回教就是回教他马的同个回教国家也打来打去。华族不会为了利益相打吗？所以你们要爱惜现有国籍的国家团结共同发展@@ryana5435
很理性的討論，在台灣已經很難看到這種和諧的討論方式，敬佩
台湾所有的媒体应该都有自己的立场的，我看除了中天，其他都是绿的！
The quota system is unfair for non-Bumi, and in the long run (after decades) it is actually discriminating the Bumi. The system made it looks like as if the Bumi needs help because they are not competent enough. I don't know about others but my Malay friends who study just as hard to achieve full A, hated the system. Their efforts often get disregarded because "bantuan kerajaaan", they are frustrated and they can't blame others who think this way because it is what it is. How to prove that you can stand on your own when your mom keeps holding you, and when people tease you for being weak, you can't even defend yourself because your mom never let go. For me, the quota system is discriminating everyone who is capable.
Well said - “The quota system is discriminating everyone who is capable”!! Meritocracy - let the right people do the right things - should be the way to make the “CAKE” bigger!
@@ganlida Exactly. At this point I think the quota system is just there to mock the capable Bumi.
Agree
My son had a Malay classmate at IMU. He ranked second in the whole class but many students thought that he got the scholarship because he is a Malay and not by merit.
This is why msia never progress...sad.
There have been studies proven that poverty is not related to race but access to quality education. Education opens new opportunities for all social classes. Politicians love to use racial issue and trigger hatred to gain easy support, and avoid talking about their failure in providing quality education to all people from different social classes, hence we must choose and elect leaders who can being progress to our nation.
Majority not educated enough to understand this.
The majority of private service speaks english whereby government in malay.The vast differences all due to education system that make level usage power of understanding became conflict.Learning humbly from neighbor country their upgrade rakyat into international platform is best choice towards better Malaysia.
Ini memang video yang sungguh menarik, terima kasih BBK menjemput rakan-rakan berbeza kaum dan bangsa untuk berkomunikasi tentang pandangan yang tak sama.
Malaysia boleh keranamu! Malaysia perlu video yang hebat macam ni.
猴言猴语
Yup, hope Malay community have a one chanel like BBK can help know about Malaysia race news or other can help Malaysia all the race be lovely things
@@user-ck1lh4gd6care you Malaysian?
@@user-ck1lh4gd6c 你这样讲什么意思？
As a Malaysian living overseas, this is by far one of the best debates / discussion around Malaysian politics , including people from different background to have a fruitful-healthy perspective on this topic. Kudos to this channel ! well done on carrying out this forum to have a more un-biased view on the current Malaysian political and demographic landscape👏👏
Congrats BBK, this might be your 1st video to expand in Malay market. Keep your hard work and let Malay and non Malay understands each other more.
Democracy is very precious, that is why we get to discuss all these topics.
I think this kind of discussion is really meaningful and let everyone starts to think about Malaysia!
Good content must be supported!
BTW, I do not like the word of Bahasa Melayu, but should just rephrase it into Bahasa Malaysia.
I tell myself like that so I will really treat Bahasa Malaysia as my national language.
@@user-zu9zh5mr3x Yea, so that's just what I am telling to myself haha.
So language is melay language it come from culture of Malay ethnic… but see Malaysia is a country that only appears after 1963… it is a country not a language.
Bahasa is normally from culture of some ethnic.
Just because it’s our national language, it doesn’t make it less of a language that is derived from the Malay culture and ethnicity
Think about this, Americans speak English, the British people speak English
Though sometimes you may heard that people in America refer their language as “American” but most of the time they still refer it as “English”
So it doesn’t make it less of a national language
It’s cool to be progressive, but we might not want to change this and that just for the sake of it
@@TerryKeoh bahasa melayu is from Melayu. In indonesia, Sundanese speak bhs Sunda, Javanese speak bhs Jawa. And bhs melayu in malaysia is different from bhs Indonesia. U dont say mandarin is cantonese, right?
@@hellocloud2387 just curious... isn’t it known as Bahasa Indonesia? With different dialect from Sudanese or Javanese ... maybe I shouldn’t say it as a dialect but more of the place the language derive from.. say like Kelantanese or Johorean or Terengganu and many more. ? Even Chinese have different dialect but many have lost it as Chinese school only uses Mandarin as their medium, other than B.M and English . To me, it’s such a lost art of language such as the Sanskrit and many more. I guess that is progression ? There will be things or language left behind... to progresss to the future .just my 5 cent worth... peace.
This was on my recommendations from TH-cam.
Even though I'm not Malaysian but a Singaporean and a Malay.
It's quite interesting to see the discussions being made in the video, I guess now I can understand how Malaysian culture works.
May I give a suggestion, can we do a comparison between Singaporean Chinese versus Malaysian Chinese and Singaporean Malays versus Malaysian Malays ?
Seconded. Discuss things like what they think of each other.
That's a good one , I'm Chinese malaysian but working in Singapopre too
This is interesting!!!! I hope bbk will do it
Hi neighbour, would like to hear your thoughts.
nice idea bro
Saya kurang setuju dengan Dr baju merah tu sebab comparison beliau bukan "Apple to Apple", beliau bagi pandangan pasal Irish dengan EU, memang kita akan 'dipinggirkan' berbanding orang mereka sebab kita bukan orang sana tapi Cina dan India adalah orang kita, bukan orang asing jadi mereka tak patut dipinggirkan di negara mereka sendiri. Sekadar pendapat peribadi.
Bagus. Setuju
Thank you for saying this loud.
Terima kasih atas kenyataan ini abang, you perfectly represent only with thinking deeper, we will find the truth
As a Malaysian who got similar grade as Choong Han, i went to the JPA scholarship interview and had the similar experience. We were interviewing for the chance to study overseas but the interview session required us to debate in Malay (which dont make sense because we are not going to use Malay as a language to study abroad) and the participants were also not having same SPM results to start with. As a Chinese, I fought so hard in SPM to try to get a chance to get the scholarship, but due to the policy, those who have worse grade got the scholarship. This is the first time in my life where I feel the country that i love so much sees me differently due to my skin color. And i think this is the main reason why people leave the country to seek better opportunities for themselves out of Malaysia.
I dont speak for all the Chinese Malaysian, but I do think that what we want is simply, treat us equally. May Malaysia grow stronger and better.
Edited comment: Oh yeah, thanks to private sector for giving me scholarship to finish my tertiary education without spending a single dime. The private sector steps in to help us when the country cannot help everyone EQUALLY. Thank god for that.
If "hak istimewa" still exists in the policy
Equality won't come forever
歧视是世界上人类存在的人性问题，这存在于所有人类国家中。但人性上的歧视可以用后天的道德约束和法制制约人性。但如果是法律制度上的歧视的话，就难搞了哦，开了头之后一旦得益者形成庞大的利益集团（就好像高房价，开放毒品等)，再想更改可能流血的都改不了哦，再加上人性和民主选举的政治生态群体，你认为废掉制度更有选票还是增加呢？
Malay is the national language, I don't see any problem as language is just a tool of communication. But the quota based on race instead of merits is unfair unfortunately
Same here I experienced the same thing when interviewed with JPA. I thought I was simply called up to fill up the pool.
@@tyekherloon5204 the sad truth is it will last forever... Unless we have someone like Mr.Lee Kuan Yew to rule this country...
As a realist, I don't expect the law can be modified , but our economy can be enhanced
各友族同胞之间聊一些轻松的生活话题也是可以的，可以互相问一些世纪未解之谜，比如
1. 为什么马来同胞生那么多孩子都养得起？
2. 为什么印度同胞打电话可以聊到天荒地老
3. 华人同胞的名字到底要怎么读
😂😂😂
其实华人同胞的名字真的没有固定的规矩，因为没有统一的罗马拼音，除了汉语拼音，还有方言，甚至有些是自己乱来的
@@yokelengleng 比如q这个字母，在国语发音里是和k一样的，但是在汉语拼音类似“chee”的发音，所以华人会把quan读成全，其他友族同胞多数会把quan读成“kuan”
@@tankailun2926 没错，我觉得汉语拼音蛮烂的，wade giles比较准确
@韓恆 HanHeng 的确，说的对
@@tankailun2926 写成 chuen， 他们肯定不会读错🤭
As a foreigner living in Malaysia, I really appreciated this conversation. I have to say from my experience living in Malaysia, I would say Indians are the most discriminated and Malays are the friendliest and more open to people.
I m sorry to say, chinese malaysians r never satisfied. They only makeup r only 26% of the population n it is impossible 100% of them r straight As students n smarter than malays.
Both indian and malay very open to work together or be friends..chinese depends they like to stay with their own..especially those chinese ed..I experience this during my studies in UM..workplace also like that
chinese aren't too open as they were taught just to mingling with their own kind. hurt but its the truth
Behind the friendliness is the dagger.
@@umiismyname4142sad but trueeee
Im Malay and i've worked in a small company in KL where there are 3 Chinese staffs and im the only Malay. The boss is Indian but when the boss is away honestly i do feel left out when they only communicate in mandarin in the room, and only speak english to me when there is a specific thing to say. This is not about feelings but when they sometimes have long discussions about the projects in mandarin, I may now have less information about the projects than they all do after their discussion. I understand its more comfortable to speak in our own mother tongue but in such settings, maybe at least use English 😅 I seriously dont mind if people speak in their mothertongue at workplace but when it comes to work that involves a person on the team not speaking a certain language, for the sake of productivity...please 😊 If there are foreigners on that team that cant speak malay than i will speak english instead of malay...so i dunno why 😅 Maybe just my workplace or is it common?
Ur workplace sucks man. Why need to cater to the other 3 Chinese staffs who are weak in English. 😑 We don't even need to talk about the Malay language. If they are comfortable with English, I'm pretty sure the boss will use English because he's an Indian.
Good point.
I’d say ppl are just too comfortable with their surroundings. I’m Chinese who speaks mandarin concepts young. I mix up with non Chinese friend since primary school so I can speak Malay pretty fluent (prasan sikit la hehe) 😂 when I have malay friends and Chinese friends working together, I always ask my Chinese friends to speak in languages that the Malays understand so they don’t feel left out. I believe your Chinese colleges and my Chinese friends too are just too comfortable to use own mother tongue and trust me they don’t have bad intentions ❤️ they are just used to speak in mandarin.
I still remember having English classes in uni, i m the only Chinese in that group, others are Malay. I tried to speak nicely to them asking them to speak in English since it’s English class, but they don’t even listen to me 🥺 same thing, they are just being too comfortable in speaking Malay until they don’t want to speak in other languages
@@huiteng4768... That's why there's always both side of the story. Sometimes the Malay speaks in Malay but the Malay is so 'broken' the other race don't get it at all but they ain't mad though. If the conversation is none of ur biz then so be it. Why mad though. However when it comes to being professional like working on a project together, then everyone should be on board speaking the same language when they all are capable to.
normal scenario in university class/tutorials, common sense to not speak other language when with other people in same room/ during discussion.
that's why the root of our problem is bahasa became our barrier. 😊
(纯粹个人观点 如有不同请不要喷)
一位是医生兼马来西亚青年团团长 和 一位律师 两位应该都算是高知识人士 但是一谈到 蛋糕平等分这个课题上却还是没有办法 说平等分配是应该的(大家都还是活在自己是受害者的观念之下)，我以为 在大城市和高学历 会有所改变 感觉好难 隔阂一但出现 就像伤疤一样 不看见就无所谓 但是只要看见 就还是会隐隐做痛。
其实道理很简单，如果你有的选择拿100块和1000块你会想拿多少？我觉得人都是这样的，人都有七情六欲，都是贪心的，不知足的，就算再高知识也不代表他们是圣人，面对不可抗拒的好处，怎样都是想要得到大的那份
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不同溫層做了那麼多集終於請友族同胞來討論了,這才是馬來西亞政治時事型youtuber早就該做的啊!!!想要討論馬來西亞的議題,永遠不能只是站在華人角度上討論罷了,畢竟我們時常強調我們是多元種族的國家,所以討論這類時事議題的時候,當然一定要找其他友族同胞一起來討論啊~但說真的現在看預告內容還是用英文討論這點,只能說華人在馬來西亞唯一能被詬病的,永遠就是國語程度仍然不能達到討論重要議題的水準。。
這一點說真的很難克服，人都是跟著利益學習的，就像不是為了文憑根本沒有人會去讀書，如果時間有限的情況下一定是學未來對自己用途最大的語言，而且我身邊的馬來人朋友都會說英文，雖然說我個人會馬來文但是為了避免說錯話我還是會用英文來溝通
大马这种马来文不够好就不够爱国的政治正确挺讨人厌的，难道马来文不够好就不爱国吗？
总是强调马来文的重要性，但对本国人民来说，实用性就没那么大呀，大部分的人都是只精通其中一个语言，因为不是任何一个人都有那个时间和精力去精通第二语言的，也不是所有人都有那个必要性，如果你我双方都能透过英语表达自己的观点，那不就足够了，语言终究只是工具，强硬将它与爱国意识绑在一起就很容易拿来炒作各种议题，或者被有心人士用于各种政治手段，绝大多数马来人就是生来就在一个马来文沟通的环境下成长的，而绝大多数非马来人都不是，所以拿一个单一某种族有更大优势的因素来判断爱国精神，其实和种族主义没差多少，因为精通马来文的程度与诞生的家庭（种族）是有相当精密的关联的
@@user-qb7wj5un3c 中国人看见外国人会说中文，那大概率不是爱国，是自豪，只是觉得自己的某一特点/因素被外来者所接受的自豪感，那马来人看到华人说一口流利的马来文，是感到那个华人很爱国吗？还是为自己的语言感到自豪？
马来文说得好确实是会让马来人更亲近这个华人没错，但为什么是由非马来人来做出这个牺牲呢？习得一口流利的马来文可不是几个月的事噢，那可是长年累月的经历，SPM拿A+的也不一定能说得好，（能够流利沟通，辩论，讨论，甚至争论） 与 （写作文，圈abcd，或者填词）可是有相当大的距离噢，这也是为什么新加坡选择英文为主要语言是如此明智的选择，因为无论是华人，马来人，印度人，英文都不是和他们族群直接绑定的语言，生在无论哪个家庭，你都要为了促进团结，为了与各族沟通，去付出时间与心血学习英文，当所有人都付出相同的代价的时候，这个团结才来的有意义，而不是一昧地让某一方付出
@@HanHeng996 真正隔阂大家的不是语言
@@user-qb7wj5un3c 中国内地，台湾，香港现在关系很好吗？😂你们用相同的语言几十年了
As a Malaysian Chinese, i think this is a very good title and great discussion. And I hope that next time we can have Indian friends invited too, I believe this will be greater if we can have more races to discuss together as Malaysian. Thanks for the topic.
For the JPA issues, even if you got excellent results, they stillwant to see your eloquently in BM. Cause its JPA (Jabatan Perkhidmatan Awam) scholarship. They expect you to come and serve the country in public sector after your studies.
说真的生为大马人，活了41年一次去sabah你才真的感觉到一个国家两种生活模式。踏入机场开始就会好奇，为什么我们的护照也要盖章。在华人的咖啡店也是很多除了华人当地的土著（真的是土著）也有马来人一起坐下来吃东西，重要的是那家店并没有什么halal不halal的告示！这基本上在半岛的咖啡店你更本不可能看到马来人会关顾华人的咖啡店！东马很大可以明白道路建设不容易，但为什么只要出KK，基本上所有的的道路都是那么烂！很多人感叹johor 的小路很烂不平，但去了一次sabah才真的体验到什么叫烂路。sabah的朋友说这就是为什么那里4x4那么好销量的原因！
因为在1963年之前马来西亚都不存在只有马来亚砂拉越沙巴新加坡 that why，这四个国家之前上百年的建国历史造就了这些差别
有机会到sarawak看看，你可以看到和沙巴一样的情景。今年头我到langkawi游玩时我是有看到马来人在华人咖啡店里卖吃的。
This conversation needs to be expanded and opened to all the races and people of Sabah and Sarawak. It is vital to have a civil discourse.
Macam yg kita ketahui, Bahasa Malaysia merupakan Bahasa Kebangsaan. Termaktub dlm PERLEMBAGAAN. Tidak boleh dinafikan dan tidak boleh diubah. Rakyat Malaysia di luar bandar elok je guna bahasa masing2 tapi masih fasih berbahasa Malaysia(pelbagai dialek) konteks BM. Isu bahasa ni cuma jd kat kawasan bandar saja iaitu kawasan tumpuan spt KL dan Selangor diatas faktor keperluan dlm aspek kerja dlm sektor swasta sahaja sebenarnya. Sektor kerajaan sudah pasti BM. Isu bahasa sebenarnya tidak perlu pun dijadikan 1 isu. Byk lagi isu penting boleh diketengahkan. Cuma sensitif sahaja tp boleh dibahaskan tetapi akan menjadi perbualan hangat di media sosial yg boleh menimbulkan salah faham. Biasalah sosial media kan 😅 lain yg dicakap lain pula difahami. ❤ No hate
This is equal right
Freedom for speak n no matter what language is😊
Sy org cina tp sy blh faham bahsa malaysia, bahasa English dan Bahasa Mandarin
Sebenarnya Bahasa bkn yg issue😊
Sy x paham, nape malay suka sibuk topik bahasa
Kalo x paham blh belajar
@@chentangary8900I'm also Chinese but I got many friends from Indonesia, I'm just curious why Chinese Indonesia they call cindo they speak Indonesia so freaking fluent and they also proud for they country they know what country they live and follow the law
@@jianshinjian8681 Stockholm syndrome
@@jianshinjian8681 if u read their history u will be suprised how chinese was badly discriminated by the government. Compared to our government, they did much better than indo…
@@hadiazlan6841 itu baguslah apa yg kerajaan Indonesia buat. parti2 pun disana tiada yang mewakilkan bangsanya
我很高兴看到bbk变大变好，开始涉及不同课题。
希望是一个敢敢表达，敢敢把事实和问题说出来的节目。
不要变成一个缩头缩尾，害怕被ban，在乎流量的节目。
可惜，可能是时间给的不够，因为虽然机会是给了，但大家都还是很克制，有些避重就轻地谈，华人那边试图在提出更严谨的问题来试探马来人，但明显马来人没想接，结果双方就都不说了😂
还有为什么会拿外国人这个例子来比喻非土著这也是该深究，虽然知道他是想偷换概念，逃避课题，但透过他的言语能感知得到他是不认可在大马土生土长的非土著与一样在这里土生土长的土著持有相同权益的观念，两位马来人都有点不理解种族歧视是什么，像是用一个人的种族特征来责骂某人，其实很明显就是种族歧视了，是种族歧视+仇恨的结果，种族歧视不该被抽离开来，你指着一个黑人骂n×gg×或指着华人让他balik tongshan，然后和我说这都不是种族歧视，请问这是在开什么玩笑呢？
能感觉得到他们觉得马来人先生活在这片土地上，所以他们理所应当享有更多的权益
@@eisbaer2758 他們從小就是這樣被教育的，根深蒂固在潛意識裡面的觀念了，遺憾的是，很多高等教育的馬來人（比如嘉賓Dr）的字裡行間透露出他們的所謂open minded其實也建立在這樣的定義上面😮💨
本来我们就很难去让获得优势的族群去共情，我觉得蛮喜欢一个言论的，当公家机关越来越多人愿意去加入的时候，自然非穆斯林人民也会获得更多利益。
但就我的圈子而言，会看见挺多人因为觉得公家没有前途/太多马来人于是不愿意参加。这也是我们未来可以考虑的其中一个方向
@@yolyncheah1326 到觉得只是转移焦点的说法而已，不觉得公家机构的种族比例上的增加就能解决这种问题，而且大马也不是天天战争之类的国家，在这里当兵和在乌克兰，美国，以色列，阿富汗当兵还是有差距
很明显是种族歧视还想忽悠/偷换概念，看的我傻眼@@
是种族歧视的话就认了它，没问题的，毕竟我们是来讨论这个课题的
Im Singaporean Chinese. Im very concerned by the lack of mixing and segregation among the different races in Malaysia. I always see groups of Malay, Chinese and Indians in their own racial.grouping...never see the 3 different races hang out together or go out together. I think in Singapore, the chinese, malays and indians are more comfortable mixing and going out with each other. My best friends are malay. Maybe its because we have a common education system, unlike Malaysia which has many different kind of schools and systems. Another reason is due to national service where every Singaporean male has to serve 2 years in the uniform services like army and police. We learn more about each other race during the 2 year NS and this helps in building unity in the country during adult hood.
then again, some of our Singapore Army units are Indian and Chinese only. The unit that I support happens to be one of them. Our cookhouse has no halal option btw
Not sure what u meant living comfortably ? U must able to speak ' mandarin' even for a janitorial job and so on. Judging by your comment it is obvious u just assume or just take in what u being told by others
Hi, BBK Network! Thanks for this wonderful video that I came across randomly. I just wanted to say that this video is so needed and I am glad that these guests were chosen because they were extremely respectful of one another (how Malaysians should be). I hope you could come up with a similar video soon, perhaps to include our fellow Indians and our Sarawakian and Sabahan bumiputera brothers and sisters. I would also suggest to add Malay subtitles so Malays could also enjoy this educational video! Overall, good job!
A small support for BBK to produce more content like this in future.
Thanks for doing this! It’s so intriguing to finally see someone trying to discuss more topics like this. Support from US.
You guys should put Malay subtitle as well. Since this video is for each and anyone of us in Malaysia 😊
Tribal Language?
Why can't they understand English??
It is all about creating a Malay Land called Tanah Melayu.
Essentially, Melayu is only a tribe of the rainforest used by the colonist together with the USA imperialist to isolated China.
Prosecute the Chinese and held apartheid over 60 years. Today tribalism remain the persistent hold on Malaysia but still want the benefit of engaging with China.
你确定你看过丑陋的中国人？柏杨批判的中国人可不是说中华人民共和国的人，而是中华传统糟粕文化，这种文化传承于所有华人社会，又以柏杨老先生生活的台湾社会为主要的批判对象。
@@richardgoh8725cmmon dude go back to ur mainland cincong
Re to the language part. As a Chinese female, I participated in quite some rakan muda programs during high school and NS then. growing up in a very mandarin speaking bubble, I was always excited abt these programs as I can finally get to know ppl from diff races. Though me and the Malay members speak Bahasa, there’re lots of Malay dialects and gag terms that I couldn’t get it during small talks. I think that’s a friction for me to build a deeper and unofficial connection with them. Until now it’s still my regret that most of these amazing ppl I met didn’t’ accelerate into a long term friendship after the programs ended.
其实很想看三大种族一起聊 下次把印度同胞也请来吧！
@@zimin5076 你不要太地狱😂
@@zimin5076 wooii说好的三大种族团结呢😂
印度人我看就免了，但他们一但有机会时他们是不会益华人的，反而他们会在背后插华人很多刀，很多东西你知我知这种类型不是好像华人或马来人一样会感恩的 ，名字都叫印度人嘛。。。
@@user-sb3jo1ih6w 这个视频是白看了？单单因为种族肤色而去忽略外在因素去揣测一个人，你只考虑了“印度人”这个词，但忽略了经济状况，社会阶层，工作领域等有可能去影响他们所作所为的因素。华人马来人=会感恩？多少个华人是那种被帮了一把却反咬你一口的有没有遇过你自己知道。
把 Kadazan 也请来 他们外表很好看
下次可以尝试做 青少年 vs 中老年。。。我觉得在各年龄层思想和看法方面有很多可以探讨
不太行， 年纪大的很大几率拿 年龄压你
什么吃盐多过你吃饭
很多都是只觉得他们是对的
做過了~第一集就是~😏
@@rohnjonathan7675 可是第一集是中华胶vs反中派😅😅 前者也未必都是老一辈，其他还有很多方面值得探讨的
@@FNgYuXiang 其实从第一集到现在的课题都是很有争议所以才会那么多人爱收看啊😂😂😂 这个节目也是旨在想让双方在不同立场里异中求同，所以我觉得挺适合的。想看看老一辈和年轻人是不是会有共同认知😄😄
Personal opinion, BBK had done what gov supposed to do long time ago. Having open discussion with leaders from different levels and races from different states or cities, it may bring to meaningful outcome and provides various perspectives. Most importantly, it shows government actually do care about us! Ironically, even there's a money laundry or scandal behind 1Malaysia, I truly support the concept and I myself experienced that unity when I was serving PLKN. Regardless of races, ethnicity and religions, we are anak Malaysia!
真的很慶幸現在的馬來西亞已經開明和民主到可以開始談論這類型議題了，雖然還是不能挑起太多敏感問題和言論，但已經是非常進步了
還記得10幾年前當記者的時候，媒體都還得先行自我審查自己的新聞可以不可以出，曾經採訪過一個新聞是對方爆出對於政治不利的內容，回去和主編說出採訪內容後，主編直接說不用寫這新聞，當下才真的看到了馬來西亞新聞和政治黑暗的一面
雖然馬來西亞還有許多進步的地方，但願能夠繼續保持並且持續進步，雖然步伐不快，但總有一天會成為大家理想的國度！
To be honest, as local uni graduates, we don't feel much discrimination among the races. You finish your assignment, you study hard, you get high marks, otherwise everyone still the same. The only time most of us will feel discriminated is when this so called quota for scholarshipsor education opportunities applies.
That's the discrimination we talking about
Which University?
Disagreed, ur skin colour make you study much harder than other in order to have the ticket to local U.
I’m also from Local U, I don’t see the opportunity to get your choice of degree or university is equal, especially when you are study in local U, you will see our level is different(not all but majority ). For most of the good result of Bumi will trend to get opportunity to study in oversea with subsidiary . Also due to the matriculation (90% for Bumi, 10% for other) vs Stpm standard is different, make us even more difficult when come to get your first choice.
@@user-qb7wj5un3c lolz china have only 1 race.
in msia have multi race. hw can u compare with china haha
The last conclusion made by the lawyer really switch my mind to another level of thinking or level of perspective toward the Race Issue in Malaysia~ Really nice discussion topic!
Thank you for having this discussion, and being honest, open and respectful.
Senang sekali mendengarkan pembahasan yang sangat konstruktif antara suku Melayu dan Tionghoa di Malaysia! Salam dari seorang Tionghoa Indonesia di Jakarta 🫡
Salam dari Tionghoa Jakarta juga 🫡
Some Malays may think that hire a mandarin speaking ppl is a discrimination against other races. But speaking another languages is a skill, it shouldn’t be classified as racist. Country policy never stops anyone from learning any languages. But Dasar Ekonomi Baru is a racist policy from top down.
I'm poor in Mandarin so I only review job hunting from English language platform. I never see any job ad that say speaks Chinese only. I only sometimes see requirement such as "speak Chinese is an added advantage" which is always place as the last condition. The jobs available usually request the job seekers to converse in Malay and English as their main requirement.
True that, plenty of Chinese don't even speak Mandarin. Why do they single out the Malays? What about banana Chinese? It's funny how some of the Malays try so hard to find proof that they are discriminated against in the private sectors when the reality is that meritocracy is not racism. Even if it's true that the Malays are indeed discriminated in the private sectors, using this to justify NEP is akin to a kid saying that some other kid also steal so that make it okay for him to steal too. Lol...so two wrongs make a right?
but what the guest in the video is trying to say even they can say, they also can't be employed... I think this is the thing that they even more frustrated...
NEP cuma taktik murahan yang dipakai oleh politician untuk memanipulasi kaum terbesar di Malaysia bagi mendapatkan sokongan pada masa itu,ia tidak sesuai untuk zaman sekarang.The worst part of it is the quotation in Education.polisi sebegini akan menyebabkan Malaysia kehilangan pelajar yang lebih cemerlang yang mungkin mendapat kecapaian yang lebih tinggi dalam pelbagai bidang,justeru akan melemahkan daya persaingan negara Malaysia di peringkat dunia, mereka masih tidak perasan di akhirnya Kita semua secara keseluruhannya akan merasai buah pahit kegawatan ekonomi negara sendiri
In order to gain better treatment and political policies from the government, different ethnic groups in Malaysia often find themselves compelled to portray themselves as victims.
As a result, there are instances where the government must adopt a tough stance and play the role of a fair arbiter to balance the sense of victimhood among the various ethnic communities.
第一次看這影片的台灣觀眾
看了節目覺得問題還不小,看來還需要BBK多多發聲
要消除種族間的隔閡還是需要溝通,但前提是要夠言論開放才有討論空間。
中華膠是絕對不願意跟他族溝通的
他們只想跟zhina國溝通
希望能多推薦給你的台灣朋友 謝謝你👍
说得好像蓝绿能聊出共同点了？唯一的共同点就是在美国面前当小弟吧。。
@@hornro4136 這麼聰明總可以分辨0跟1的差別吧？
@@hornro4136 好過996當人礦
Really a brilliant episode to understand the needs and thoughts of two different ethnic groups in Malaysia. Its really insightful (never had a chance to really know much about Malay community even though i was raised in a penang kampung with lots of malay friends) , but I would love to see Indian friends to be part of such discussion. -from a malaysian chinese
bbk可以参考下（又有威又要戴头盔）这个节目，他们会让嘉宾自由选着戴头盔或者带着纸皮头罩上节目又或者不戴上节目，这样子嘉宾的压力会比较少一点。
也比较容易邀请到嘉宾上节目，说的内容也比较大胆一点。
老马政策导致今天的问题，扰乱种族宗教。现在的华人都需自强，但不欺负友族，互相尊敬，会多种语言是多个强项。
现在很多友族都学习华语，政府去打压华小，半津贴有时也拿不到，还被讲政府对华小已不错了？什么烂话？
外国企业来马投资，不管什么国家，都需要会些他国语言，方便沟通，不是歧视，请别太敏感。
要把马来语变成欢迎语言，先把马来西亚在国际发光发热，有需要的话，大家都会争先恐后来学。
我们都是大马子民，拿掉固打制，特权，拿开清蒸偏见，大家平起平坐，互相包容，互相尊敬。
Really appreciate this kind of content. It encourages us to bridge the gap between different social backgrounds and understand each other better.
Well done BBK!
one point that i agreed the most is about switching to other languages that people do not understand and it happens a lot especially among Chinese, that they simple just turn around to other Chinese during group discussion and speaks mandarin
When i was young, i had a malay family as next door neighbours. Still have muslim friends for the past 30 years and currently a malay colleague for the past 13 years. Sabah and sarawak can show the peninsula the REAL meaning of One Malaysia.
LOLOLOL sabah sarawak also get bumi rights
@@easter8874 yes it's 'Bumiputra' rights unlike 'Malaya' right.
这是非常好的content!政治和时事的课题就是要有不同种族的人士来一起探讨和交流·这样大家都可以从对方的角度上了解彼此
Being a Malaysian in Ireland and being a Malaysian in Malaysia is 2 different things. Hope u understand 😊
That's our jpa scholar 🤓
I couldn't brain what he said. The context of a foreigner being discriminated in foreign land and a Malaysian being discriminated in Malaysia are so different! He is not even getting the logic right and comparing apple to apple.
They call the wrong people. Should have call a Malay who studied in sjkc or smjkc baru ngam.
@@XmZH123 Irish who are not of Irish descent are discriminated in Ireland. That's how it is everywhere. When you're a citizen of a country that is not your original native land, you're always discriminated.
@@gemmywhi3711 i was study at sjkc smkjc.. kena palau dengan chinese, even when i try to be friend with them, even my mom was a school teacher there. How? im malay and after that im out go to smk. But when i go to smk, my experience there is totally different, the chinese study there been treated like normal... why? Even they have samseng gang with chinese as leader there . It is truly funny that time when I compare my experience in SJKC. With the experience I can tell in order all to get bumis is by to close down sjkc, sjkt and only smk.This should start from early age.
关于这个“蛋糕论”， 其实问题不在于蛋糕够不够大，而是会不会*分蛋糕。不然蛋糕再大，分配得不公平还是无法解决不平等的问题。
所以蛋糕够不够大只是一个伪命题，真正公平的话一个小蛋糕都能尽量用最公平的方式分出来，那就是通过绩效制来分配资源(meritocracy)
帮你举一个例子 现在政府 推行针对性补贴 用电高的人就没有补贴 这就是很好的开始👍🏻
蛋糕夠大，但是當權的卻依你的膚色來分。。。那怎麼辦。。。
蛋糕论是多来讲 就算蛋糕够大 原本已经拿一大片蛋糕的人 允不允许别人也能拿和他一样一大片呢 这才是我们所谓的公平其实那两位自己也不好意思知道政策不公平 只是谁会愿意把囊中之物交出来
@@doglover9349 其实是不可能拿一样大片的。比如A拿了1/2，由B和C平分另外的1/2。如果要百分百公平的话就是ABC各拿1/3 (意味着A会从本来的1/2变小成1/3)。但这也不是最好的解决方法，因为各拿1/3表面上是公平了，但是解决方式还是围绕在种族层面。
现实层面来讲，最好的方法还是绩效制。把大家放在同一个篮子里去努力，然后间接性地促进竞争。不管什么种族，只要是精英就会脱颖而出。（其实不止华裔印裔，我也常遇到很多很优秀很精英的巫裔）哈哈当然道理大家都懂，要改变还是需要时间。
你说得对，那两位也不好意思知道政策不公平，所以才搬出“蛋糕论”这个伪命题来混淆他人。我之所以写出来，也是希望其他人不要被他的“蛋糕论”绕进去🤣要从他的“蛋糕论”跳出来
@@keanhoongchoo4952 哈哈所以就要让你的投票权发挥作用。现在政府所提出的不分种族扶贫政策就是一个好例子。至少现在有看到好的开始了
I kinda like this discussion bcause sometime i always curious what other races thinking abut each other in every aspect . So thank you for this kind of informatic content to us !
Need more smtg like this. Clear the air out. Sometimes it's just prejudice set by precedent brought forward or just honest misunderstanding. This is how we explain our respective truth and perspective to one another. This is an open book debate.
我一個台灣人看的津津有味😊最後一位嘉賓總結的真棒，經濟發展好才有能力打造社會
訂閱BBK是值得的，看看這個題材，絕對值得
某些公司在马来西亚不聘请穆斯林员工，可能有多种原因。首先，如果在Facebook或网络招聘中，一个公司只招聘特定的种族、性别或语言，系统会自动将这篇招聘视为"discrimination"（歧视），并隐藏相关的帖子。
其次，一些公司，如猪肉、酒精类、某些娱乐场所和非清真餐厅，可能会选择只聘请非穆斯林。这可能是因为它们的业务性质或产品特点与穆斯林的宗教信仰不兼容。
需要明确的是，并非所有情况都是因为一个人是马来人，华人 ，或印度人 而是因为他们的宗教信仰。一些公司可能会根据员工的宗教信仰，而不是民族背景，做出雇佣决策。
Beberapa syarikat di Malaysia tidak mengambil pekerja Muslim, mungkin disebabkan oleh pelbagai faktor. Pertama, jika sebuah syarikat hanya mengambil pekerja dari kaum, jantina, atau bahasa tertentu dalam iklan jawatan di Facebook atau laman web, sistem secara automatik akan menganggap iklan tersebut sebagai "discrimination" (pembezaan) dan menyembunyikan kiriman tersebut.
Kedua, beberapa syarikat seperti syarikat Khinzir, minuman arak, beberapa tempat hiburan, dan restoran yang tidak halal mungkin hanya mengambil pekerja bukan Muslim. Ini mungkin disebabkan oleh jenis perniagaan atau ciri produk mereka yang tidak selaras dengan kepercayaan agama orang Muslim.
Akhirnya, penting untuk ditegaskan bahawa tidak semua keadaan disebabkan oleh keturunan Melayu, Cina, atau India, tetapi berhubungan dengan kepercayaan agama mereka. Beberapa syarikat mungkin membuat keputusan pengambilan pekerja berdasarkan agama pekerja, bukan latar belakang etnik.
Perlu ditegaskan bahawa tindakan ini hanya mewakili amalan sesetengah syarikat, dan bukan fenomena umum dalam dunia perniagaan Malaysia. Kebanyakan syarikat di Malaysia berusaha untuk melakukan pengambilan pekerja yang adil dan membuat keputusan berdasarkan kebolehan dan kelayakan calon.
那位女士说得太好了！回到自己房间做回自己，让自己舒适，去到大街后懂得尊重和包容！所以华中，独中，宗教学校等都不是问题，社交圈等也不是问题，关键是政府制度，法律是否公平公正，关键是各种教育都要有一个宗旨，教会年轻人学会尊重与包容！
I’m a bidayuh+chinese and my wife is malay also I have lots of Iban family member. So literally I interact with 4 races. The only things I can say is different races was brought up in different ways so in order to live in harmony, learn each other culture just the general not into the detail. With that we can avoid misunderstanding and be respectful to each other culture.I agreed speaking other languages we don’t understand bring awkwardness. But because of that it motivated me to learn their language which i can speak 8 languages now😅
1. My mother tounge is cantonese. My hometown is in Sabah and my paternal grandmother is half Dusun and half chinese ethnicity, the rest of ancestors are of chinese ethnic. I have very few Malay and Kadazan friends during my childhood up to secondary school. I had 2 Indian and many chinese good friends during that period. Today, I have a few good Indian, Malay and chinese friends.
2. My school going children now have best friends who are Indians, Malays and chinese. Very few Kadazan, Iban or Dayak friends because of geographical factor. They despise racism as they learn in TH-cam, Instagram and Tiktok that racists are not cool and it is ugly. They are still teaching me on how to be a hardcore non racist even though i consider myself not a racist.
3. In a group setting, it is rude not to speak in a common language that is understood by all unless you really cant speak the common language at all. Full stop. It doesnt matter whether the topic involves any particular person in the group.
4. Some job really require certain language proficiency and it should not be viewed as discrimination but a requirement. To let out your property based on race is a form of discrimination. Race based employment is simply disgusting. Full stop.
5. In some foreign countries, you do not enjoy the same right simply because these countries public policies protect their citizens based on their nationality. Fair and square. We should protect our citizens too.
6. More of certain race in the public sectors could be due to the income expectation and not because of unwillingness to serve the country. It is unfair to justify different treatment to certain race simply because of this. A capable and responsible government should find more ways to increase the current income level of the public sector.
7. Gender physical differences are very apparent and this is exactly why society stresses on womens right. These differences are genetic and not due to different race, culture or religion. There is no scientific proof that certain race is of superior capabilities.
8. Size of cake is important but still it should not justify discrimination. Public policy should instead be made geared towards increasing the size of its cake by competing with foreign countries. Competing among family members wont increase the size of the cake but affect their relationship. When family members are not united, sooner or later they will have no cake to eat. If we have smaller cake, we eat lesser together and if we have bigger cake we enjoy more together.
9. Not everything should be based on meritrocarcy. Western capitalism favors on inherited wealth. One should not be deprived of their economic rights just because they are born into certain inherited family background. Public policy should be made to help those that need helps. The society should be made to feel that they are all being treated as fairly as possible.
10. Every member of the society should inculcate the culture of also thinking for others rather than always on ourselves. School and family should teach the youngs on this. Give rather than always receive.
11. Race and religion based politics is the No.1 factor in dividing the people.
12. To improve relationship we should first be able to communicate with each other. Therefore everyone should at least make effort to master the common language which is Bahasa Malaysia, the official common language and English the unofficial one.
13. Looking down on people based on their wealth or profession is simply disgusting.
14. Government should sincerely find and inculcate more commonalities or culture among the people, for example the culture of being hardworking, the fusion of different food and many others. The nation needs to be told to having and achieving a common clear goal together.
15. School and family should teach on how to respect different races, culture, languages and religions, sincerely.
Well said...
One of the best episodes among the series, well done BBK. I really enjoyed the discussions from all the guests, and personally would like to see more topics from different races, instead of all the time two sides of guests all from the same ethnic.
When speaking about discrimination in EU in terms of job opportunities, that’s between foreigners and local and I don’t see it as discrimination as it’s to protect their citizens to earn a living first. So it cannot be compared to discrimination between Malaysian who are locals whereby different race who are Malaysian are being discriminated who are not foreigners.
Just like foreigners trying to get a job in Malaysia will also be screened based on the policy set up whereby locals are prioritized which are basically happening in all countries trying to protect their citizens to have a job and let foreigners take job that can’t be handled by the locals.
It’s a bit out of topic. hope to have another round please. Good job everyone and thanks for being bold to have these kind of peaceful conversations that will break the bubble to bring unity.
When it comes to obtaining a larger cake, it requires a long-term investment in nurturing talents within the country. Many countries offer scholarships with the expectation that talented individuals from around the world will study in their respective countries and contribute to their development. By building up the country's talent pool, we can attract investors, thereby expanding the opportunities. Unfortunately, Malaysia has seen a significant outflow of talents as they seek better prospects abroad. Take the case of Ms. Choong Han, who possessed exceptional academic achievements but did not receive a scholarship. Furthermore, those we send abroad represent our country, acting as ambassadors. Even if we aim to support less academically inclined students, they face stiff competition from talented and high-achieving students who are less likely to receive opportunities based on privilege alone. Therefore, it is crucial for us to decide whether we genuinely desire a greater future for our country or if we continue to engage in internal conflicts driven by the pursuit of privilege, status, and wealth, which are often untouched subjects for our politicians.
In EU, citizens who aren't of native descent are discriminated. Even tho they are citizens of the country, their race lead to them being discriminated just like in Malaysia. That's how it is everywhere.
Im Malaysian working in EU. To be honest, I’ve never felt any race discrimination when it comes to job hunting or even at workplace. There are many companies that runs 3/4 interviews before they decide if you are the right candidate. Maybe he was just disappointed that he couldn’t get the job and blame it on race/ skin color. In fact, I felt more discriminated when I was applying for job in Malaysia. lol
We need more contents like this! Thank you BBK team!
哇，这集很厉害，除了让我了更深入的解很多马来西亚种族的问题之外，也让我学习了很多英文字的意思。
subtitle的小编，辛苦你了。
被歧视的种子会埋藏在每一个幼小的心里、成年后爆发 报复 反向歧视…在工作中 生活中， 所以 ！不要以为自己得利了 最终会被反噬、被歧视、毕竟华人掌握很多经济地位… 所以请从小就尊重每一个华人❤
謝謝bbk 看了這一集心中五味雜陳
馬來人和非馬來人對彼此在平等的理念是完全不同的
這或許就是馬來西亞種族課題的罪魁禍首
因為我們對於國家的想像是不一樣的
@HanHeng996 左派是不会种族歧视的。左派只看你穷不穷
@韓恆 HanHeng 有，美国的根本是消除歧视，只是消除过头，变成歧视另一方；马来西亚的根本是歧视另一方。动机一开始就不同
种族问题对于底层来讲就是种族问题，对于高层来讲就是统治问题，你所在的种族能在当地活成什么样子不是底层决定的，而是高层决定的，说难听点只要掌权的不是华人，在马来西亚的华人随时都会被清洗，具体什么时候取决于华人什么时候会威胁到他们的统治
I suggest bbk also do interviews/surveys but around Malaysia, don't just limit to Bandar people, you need views from the rural or countryside people. From your survey, you gather the statistics and use that to make forums and get ppl to make educated guess and discuss.
True. Not critical enough yet. Need a part 2 with different ppl
非常深入與真誠對話，BBK 與嘉賓都非常捧，期待更多類似的對話
看完了這集的節目，心裏除了感覺非常棒之外，我個人的感覺是，在馬來西亞想要和不同種族的人討論交流減少誤會，或是字不達意，不是使用華文，馬來文，淡米耳文還是原住民的語言，是英文。
Tahniah kpd @BBK Network telah berjaya mengadakan satu dialog antara kaum ke-atas isu yang mungkin agak sensitive tapi juga begitu penting bagi kesefaman antara kaum. Ini lebih bermakna dan lebih bermutu klau dibandingkan perbahasan di parlimen yang sering kali berkecoh.
祝賀@BBK Network 成功的舉辦一個跨種族對話。 問題可能有點敏感但對跨種族理解非常重要。與時不時像馬戲團的國會辯論相比，今天的討論顯得更有品質和意義。
Congratulations to @BBK Network for successfully holding an inter-racial dialogue on an issue that may be quite sensitive but also very important for inter-racial understanding. This is more meaningful and a quality discussion if it was compared to debates in parliament which are often noisy and circus like.
It takes courage to do this episode!! 👍👍👍
建議可以做一集 "English-speaking Chinese vs Mandarin-speaking Chinese", 因為作為一個从砂拉越來到吉隆坡打拼多年的雙語華人，我發現這裡的華人基本上因著語言分化的現象蠻嚴重的。很期待可以看到更多這樣的交流，加油！😊
This will be so interesting and you have the exact same ideas as me. But the thing is that Mandarin-speaking Chinese who are able to speak fluent English are actually kinda already counted as half English-speaking Chinese in my opinion.
If BBK wants to invite a typical English-speaking Chinese and a typical Mandarin-speaking Chinese, Mandarin-speaking Chinese will be able to understand English but maybe cannot express their opinions spontaneously while most typical English-speaking Chinese can't or are only able to understand a little bit of Chinese which is not enough for a discussion.
Unless there is a translator from BBK so it can help each party to know each other's minds while guests can express their opinions using their mother tongue.
I suggest invite JinnyboyTV
@World phenomena Couldn't agree more! I think ideally it would be interesting to have a mix of the typical English-speaking Chinese and Mandarin-speaking Chinese with those who can speak bilingual but are more culturally Mandarin oriented and those who are more westernized in the discussion. But I guess you're right, the first obstacle we ought to overcome would be the language barrier. It might be fun if the moderators can do it in bilingual as well, haha
@Sean Chen that would be pretty cool! It's so rare to see crossovers between local TH-camrs from the English scenes and the Mandarin scenes, sometimes I wonder if I live in two disconnected worlds at the same time, haha.
@@jeremyswee JinnyboyTV is ideal because he understood the young (english speaking chinese) and he is a father now. So he indeed should be invited. Plus he discussed heavy topic on his podcast.
Thank you every bbk team member for doing this!
In Malaysia, we always look at things/issues from a racial perspective first. Ppl always say there are more bumiputera in the B40 group. But do they take into account that we have 62% Bumiputera, 20% Chinese and 7% Indian?
932,600 or 71.6% of the 1.3 million households that earn less than RM3,000 a month in 2019 were bumiputeras. That compares with about 245,100 Chinese households (18.8% of total households earning below RM3,000 a month), 97,000 Indian households (7.4%) and 18,200 households of other ethnicity (1.4%).
This composition is close to the racial composition of our population. Which means each race itself has about the same percentage of each group of ppl earning less than 3000 a month. In other words, all ethnics also have poor ppl and a just policy should take care of ppl with the same income criteria, not by their skin colour.
What is bumiputera, the people who was born in Malaysia should be called as bumiputera.
Why chinese and Indian was excluded from that despite born as Malaysian?
Why Bumiputera has special treatment than other races?
That's the really unfair part, and Malays try to dodge the topics really hard.
They try to say "Chinese company only recruit Chinese worker" which really making me laugh
Sound like Malay Company will recruit Chinese at all, especially government's infrastructure.
That's why many people rather flight outside and work than working here. TOO MUCH UNFAIR.
@@bsh7390 For the recruitment thing, I think it's time for us Malaysian to stop justifying the unfair racial elements. Etnically Chinese Malaysian should no longer quote that public sector doesn't take Chinese because to our saudara they will also say that the policy is necessary because private sector has the racial selection criteria. End up a non-ending racial misunderstanding. Because in reality, public sector doesn't state Bumi Only or Prefer Bumi in their vacancy advertisement. Well, not sure if there is this unwritten rule in any department. My superior once told me one of the factor is there are very few Etnic Chinese and Indian apply to government post. Maybe they presume it is difficult to enter so better don't waste time or the salary is not as attractive as private company.
@@swc84mungkin sebab gaji gov. rendah (kerja banyak) Dan tak ramai non-malay yang fasih bahasa kebangsaan 😢.
Sebab dari pengalaman, takde pun slot khas untuk bumiputra dalam gov. sector. Non-malay yang Saya pernah jumpa berkhidmat dalam gov. selalunya bagus mentality nya dan sangat cintakan negara.
@@flaxenRdn private kerja lebih banyak tapi gaji mungkin pun lebih
Why are the top richest Malaysians are Chinese?
哇这期劲爆！必看！支持！
I’m glad these sensitive topics can be discussed openly. Malaysia is heading on the right direction even if slowly.
首先华人会一直想尝试不去触碰彼此的底线也会学会尊重，但往往友族没有发现一个问题就是他们想同化我们 希望我们和他们一样的思想但可能吗？我们不会从小就去宗教学校（宗教学校本来就是很单一而且很偏激的教导一种文化）就像某一位发言人说送去宗教学校但课外会让孩子去融入华人和印度人但这现实吗？两者之间就很大很大的冲突，因为宗教学校会教导那样不可这样不可 但来到课外你就想让他改变？
I strongly agree with Mr Ainul about the equal right statement..
I think government should put more effort to attract more non Malay to participate in public sector.. same goes to the people who are non Malay should support their child to join the public sector too..
If our country want the real patriotic and equal right, we have to participate to each other sector.. the first step should start from our government..
Only then no one will be excluded
很奇怪，为什么公司需要会说中文的人，聘请时会不写出需要会中文的人员？还不是一些极端马来人一直在炒作这个课题搞到这样基础的要求都不敢明写，这种没办法明写的氛围害得不止是求职者，招聘者自己也不想浪费这个时间
而且就算他们不明写，你参加了再和你说你不符合某项要求，好像也是公司的权益吧，即使我不认同都好，而马来人难道就没有会中文的吗？他们是因为你没有某项他们需要的技能而拒绝你，又不是你的肤色，是怎么连接到种族歧视的呢？
你们是不是忘记了之前的新闻?
声明需要会中文的
马来人 就在那边吵 歧视他们不尊重他们搞种族主义
还有什么公司敢直接声明一定要会中文的?
China man 的公司。。
某些公司在马来西亚不聘请穆斯林员工，可能有多种原因。首先，如果在Facebook或网络招聘中，一个公司只招聘特定的种族、性别或语言，系统会自动将这篇招聘视为"discrimination"（歧视），并隐藏相关的帖子。
其次，一些公司，如猪肉、酒精类、某些娱乐场所和非清真餐厅，可能会选择只聘请非穆斯林。这可能是因为它们的业务性质或产品特点与穆斯林的宗教信仰不兼容。
需要明确的是，并非所有情况都是因为一个人是马来人，华人 ，或印度人 而是因为他们的宗教信仰。一些公司可能会根据员工的宗教信仰，而不是民族背景，做出雇佣决策。
@@MrJackthong 我家附近就有一家家具店， 里面只有 马来员工没有华人的。(老板是华人)
不是歧视华人 而是 现实就是 马来人购买家具的% 比华人多。
聘请马来人 纯粹是 他们同族 比较亲近 信任度比较高一点点 ， 出货率也比较高。
不敢明面声明 会中文，优先录取。
这个家具店的马来人 都是 华校生，都会中文的。
这个情况就有差别了
会马来文的华人员工 购买量没有 马来人员工多(毕竟主要市场是马来人)
反过来
会中文的马来人员工 马来人购买量不看，看华人的购买量。其实是与聘请华人的量是一样的。
作为老板决策人， 只要正常点的 都是聘请
1)会中文的马来人
2)马来人
3)会马来文的华人
4) 绝对不会聘请 不会马来文的 华人
所以啊，在大马 马来人学习中文 真的比华人吃香的多了。(所以啊不是华人歧视不会中文的马来人，是马来人不愿自己增加优势。马来嘉宾讲法就如大多数马来人一样，不会中文是华人的错不是马来人自己的问题)
我们华人(客人) 不会因为你是马来人而不买东西的， 毕竟我们华人严格来算是比马来人还融入 马来西亚社会。马来人因为halal这个东西，其实是没有融入马来西亚社会而是社会配合他们改变政策。
所以啊 我们华人很少在 商业有关的东西，抗拒马来人的。
只有马来人在抗拒华人而已(halal & muslim)
华人不是歧视马来人，而是大多数的马来人员工 的确比华人员工懒惰。(严格讲比很多种族 '拼'，才有这么多包括马来人 的外国人不喜欢华人。显得他们很懒惰那样)
才会出现刻板印象 '马来人懒惰'
对我个人观点
马来人不是歧视 华人， 而是比较接近 防范华人。就如 美国 防范中国那样， 即使什么都没做都会不信任与怀疑而防范。
@@n0buddy919 有时候，人们在外面工作时会渴望找到认同感，希望从宗教、种族、性别或爱好等方面寻求安全感。举个例子，假设你在国外工作，遇到了一个来自相同宗教的同事，你们可能会感到更亲近，更容易建立起信任和友谊。同样地，如果你是一个华人，在一个陌生的国家遇到了其他华人，你们可能会因为共同的文化背景和语言而更容易产生亲近感。
在马来西亚的情况中，由于马来人占据人口的多数。因此，如果一家商店主要面向马来人市场经营，店主可能更倾向于聘请会中文的马来人员工。这是因为这些员工具有语言优势，会马来客户的方言，能够更好地与马来人客户产生共鸣，建立起互信关系。如果一家家具店的主要客户群是马来人，那么聘请会中文的马来人员工能够更流畅地与各族客户沟通，增加销售机会，老板会聘请有这些优势的员工是必然的
同样地，如果你是一名马来人到了一个国外的马来人社区，你可能会因为相同的宗教和文化背景而感到更受欢迎和接纳。这是因为你与当地社区的成员有共同点，更容易与他们建立联系和理解。这种认同感和归属感可以带来安全感，并促进合作和互相理解。
These adults in this discussion gave me hope in Malaysia ❤❤❤ Great video!
嘉賓都很棒，很中肯，也都為國家積極想辦法解決問題
Guys, please remember that not all Bumi is Malay ya. We have IBAN kadazan murut bajau dusun as Bumi too. Go and ask how many of them really benefited from NEP?
Malay benefited from NEP other non muslim Bumiputera get almost nothing from NEP, I am a Chinese-Dayak Sarawakian and i can act as a prove
I really din expect we are now able to discuss about this topic publicly and freely now... Good job guys
This is actually a really good discussion session. And i love all my fellow Malaysians
I come from SBP background. My SPM result was considered below average in 2004. Luckily I got accepted to Join ALAM, received my Diploma and later worked onboard merchant ship. Several of my friends, junior and senior who got excellent SPM results were given opportunities to study abroad. A lot of them came back to work and served in Malaysia. Only a handful that I know, continued to stay overseas. My suggestion is stricter and fairer selection of candidates for scholarships given by the government or private sector. Students from B40 parents should be prioritized. The other thing is those government scholarships should be like a bon. Either they return to Malaysia and serve or pay back. Otherwise we lost someone like Amalina. If they pay back, we get a win win situation. The government can send more students abroad for further studies using money from their predecessors.
i like this topic, cause if the communities can share opinion and what actually happened, the misunderstanding can reduce.
Well done BBK. The conclusion is really a good one. Credit must be given to the last speaker. A "fair" government is needed to see to fairness for all Malaysians alike. I think we had voted the
right government led by PM AA with the concept of MADANI . Managing a country is just like managing a family. To be able to live with harmony and peace, the family income must be big enough to cover all needs for every family member. Hence, to have "fairness" , our country must
work for a bigger "cake" . Do you think what type of leaders can do this job? The ulamas who are
trying so hard to become government???
This is by far one of the best insights in a video I've seen on our issues regarding our cultural diversity.
this is some quality contain BBK is doing, keep it up!
Inequality started long time ago when the "cake" was big, not just recently
Great content produced by this pair of smart malaysian youtuber...magnifying the race issue in malaysia. Suggest to watch it as it may give you some enlightenment 🎉
Says NO to discrimination!
i really like this kind of conversation cause it broadens the way i think, good job and please do more things like this
Great job to the BBK Network. Just discovered your channel and this is the third video I saw. I really enjoyed the bold questions asked and the frank but respectful answers shared by the participants. Chia yew!
酷！！！ 标题马来人和华人~应该是互相交流存在的社会问题吧，我应该说些什么呢 ... 🤔
sy sebagai seorang pelajar ... disini sy berharap setiap kaum Malaysia akan saling memahami dan menghormati..
perbezaan budaya , bahasa , pegangan agama dan lain-lain lagi tidak menghalang kita untuk menghargai kebudayaan kebangsaan.....
我，作为一位学生，在这里我希望每个马来西亚人都能够互相理解和尊重....不同文化，语言，宗教的差异不妨碍我们彼此欣赏各民族的文化 ！😘
sy juga berharap negara kita akan menjadi lebih stabil dan makmur......
我，也希望我们的国家越来越稳定和繁荣！😘
PS: BBK 待会见！ jumpa lagi...
希望很美好，现实很骨感🤭
哦。。。🤣 别，别嘲讽~~我啊！🙊
听好~ 我，会扭转乾坤把马来西亚人团结起来共同创造新的马来西亚更没有所谓的种族政策，也保证每个种族都会被~ 温柔以待！🤣 （ 发梦中...）
所谓，“ 我的天下~我做主” ！😘
PS: 不过呢要等到十年二十后的今天就是本小姐我的天下啦！🤣🤣🤣（ 梦还没醒...）
后会无期 ........ (｡•̀ᴗ-)✧
@@yokeps9852 u are best
For me, im sure everyone would like to all Malaysians are having the equal opportunities and to achieve this, like what one of the guests mentioned we need to elect those who can perform and get non-Malays involvement in gov sector. Blaming and stick in the comfort zone doest help to improve our country. Thanks BBK for doing this meaningful program. Hope more people can see this video and spread the vibes to all Malaysians. Malaysia Boleh!!
If You Can Speak And Wrote National Language Fluently Government Sector Door Open Widely For You, Because In The End This Is Malaysia, Not Chinasia, Indiasia,Because You Have To Deal With Majority That Speak National Language😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
喜欢这一集的主题！未来想看更多三大种族来一起谈论一个问题
I like what one of the interviewers has mentioned: “The baseline is we are all Malaysians.” Having equal right should be the basis for all Malaysians. What some of them have experienced overseas e.g. in Ireland is clearly a resident versus a foreigner, a Malaysian, an Indonesia or a Thai who is a foreigner will experience the same in Ireland, so this shall not be placed together for discussion on “equal rights” for Malaysians.
其实可以参考吴启聪医生的想法，做一集城市vs乡村 的选民。
乡下人应该不能很好的辩论吧
那個差距根本太大，他自己講自己爽
說鄉下人不會辯論就是歧視了
你們的英雄安華家鄉也是鄉村
@@eateveryone 根据？我就乡下人，你其实我们乡下人？
@@pupu0327pupu 其实？什么意思？
The question to ask is whether they think it is okay to remove hak istimewa so that everyone is from equal footing, and so that we are assessed based on merits and not based on race. For example, for scholarships, it should be the situation where if there are 2 candidates of similar merits but only one opportunity is available then other background issues including their financial standing comes into consideration and giving it to the person who really needs it, not where because one is of a certain race they get the scholarship despite not even having the good grades to begin with.
Mind that the hak istimewa existed in the first place through a blueprint because at that point of time the Malays were at a more financially disadvantage state and the government decided to have this policy in place so that the Malays can improve their financial state, it was supposed to be removed after the blueprint ended its term. However, because it is still there, a lot of the Malays (not all) takes it for granted, they think that it is the “rights” that they deserve naturally and that removing it is us, the rest of the races trying to overpower them in some sense, just like how the Americans felt when they are talking about constitution reform. Till this day, many politicians, especially those on the extreme side of it takes this as a weapon to divide the Malaysians, giving the Malays an impression of Chinese and Indians just want the Malays to be poor for good, that isn’t the case. Many Malays always think, maybe because they were told, that Chinese and Indians are all rich because we study in private universities/overseas universities. That is not true, it’s because we don’t have a choice due to the hak istimewa policy. Many of our parents are just normal employees of a company, not tauke tauke like how many of them think. They have to fork out money from their savings or even use the EPF account 2 money to fund our tertiary education just because many of us were denied the chance to get into government universities/obtaining scholarships, despite having better results than some of those who were given these chances. Is it fair to us then?
Although x% of Chinese and Indians are rich or in the T20 sector it doesn’t mean that all Chinese are rich. This cannot be the method of assumption/calculation. In Malaysia, the percentage of Chinese and Indians are lesser than the Malays. Simple maths, in a pool of say 1000 Malays, 100 Chinese and 10 Indians, 10% of each is rich. Converting it, it means 100 Malays, 10 Chinese and 1 Indian is rich. Looking at it from the other side, with the same pool, say 5 of each is rich, converting to %, it means 0.5% of Malays, 5% of Chinese and 50% of Indians are rich. Does it mean that more Chinese and Indians are rich? No it doesn’t, the number of rich people in this case is still the same. It doesn’t make any sense to say that Indians and Chinese are richer because a large percentage of that race is rich. It’s because the number in the pool is different, and with the same figure it shows differently. Yes, maybe it’s always stated that x% of Chinese and Indians are rich and only such a small % of Malays are rich, but do the Maths, what’s the exact number of people of each race being rich?
But for Malaysia to improve, certain things need to be taken seriously. Brain drain happens for a reason, when we were denied all opportunities because of our race but other countries open up their doors for us, giving us the chance that we actually deserve, we would shift to that country just because we are being treated the way we deserve. It is definitely not the case where other countries gave us the chances, opportunities and resources but we were expected to come back and serve Malaysia by all means even though we were not treated equally in the first place. Yes, as Malaysians we should, but if we were all on our own throughout the whole journey, and we were not appreciated at all, how would we feel? It’s not the matter of who was here first and who came after (if this is to be debated, frankly speaking, Malays, Chinese and Indians all came after, only the orang asli, the indigenous people were the ones who are actually from this land in the first place). It’s not because we came to someone’s land and hence that someone should be protected by all means. As mentioned, the Irish have certain rights for their people and you feel discriminated/being treated differently because you are a foreigner. Yes, it’s because you are a foreigner, you don’t hold their ID/passport, it’s fair for them to have a different policy for foreigners. But in Malaysia it’s a whole different story, regardless whether we are Malays, Chinese, Indians or any other races, we all hold the Malaysian blue IC, we all hold the Malaysian passport, then why are we all still being treated differently/unequally? We are not foreigners like what was being discussed in the video. Have a think about it.
That being said, I still love Malaysia. I just hope that things change and improve, and we are all Malaysians as a family, not one where we are treated unequally due to race, religion or skin colour.
I have the exact same thought as you after watching this video! But in my opinion hak istimewa is unfortunately, highly unlikely to be removed in the future, the GE15 results just showed a cold hard truth to us, the "green wave" indicated that malays are shifting their support to the right wing, their minds are getting more conservative, and hak istimewa will remain as concrete as it is under this political landscape unfortunately😢😢😢
Hey, dont even start the conversation about hak istimewa😅. Im malay and i have once brings up this issue of abolishment of hak istimewa in uni class, and suddenly im being call derhaka terhadap kaum you know? But actually, from the debate that i have, they raise up the most important question, are chinese and indians truly considers themselves Malaysians?
To them, chinese and indians need to at least fluent in Malay. But i counter back, even mamak, those pekerja kilang from thai, viet, and indo also speak Malay fluently after working here for several years, but they are not malaysian. So, how?
This will be an interesting topic to be discuss further.
@Gemmy Whi I'm sorry that because you raised this and because you are a Malay you get called as derhaka terhadap kaum.. but thank you for being in our shoes and looking at things from our perspective because not many people would do this..
I think the younger generations of Chinese and Indians do consider ourselves as Malaysians. The older generations, especially those who actually came from China/India might not because they are not born here and might not have the same sense of attachment. But I think we as the younger generations of Chinese & Indians despite considering ourselves as Malaysians we don't feel the sense of belonging sometimes, especially during the times where we are mostly being treated differently despite having the same identity (IC & Malaysian passport) as everyone else, hence the reason why being treated differently in another country as a foreigner who doesn’thold the same ID as the people there and us holding the same ID but being treated differently should not be considered as the same thing. It's more like whether everyone else in Malaysia thinks and treats Chinese and Indians as Malaysians or not, not whether if we think we are Malaysians? Because a lot of times we might face someone calling us to balik China/Tongsan/India, but you don't really hear other races telling Malays to balik Indonesia or wherever/calling Chinese as Cina b*** and Indians as India k***** (no racist intention here ya 😅).. Also I think language is a skillset that can be learned as long as you have the effort and willingness to learn and you choose to learn it, but race & skin colour is not something that we can choose so in a sense it's not really comparable (?)
That's why I said the hak istimewa bit is becoming like the American's constitutional debate where many of them think that it's a natural right for them to have, not one which is supposed to be there to help one improve their status and then be removed so everyone is on equal footing thereafter. This discussion is definitely a sensitive issue because many are still quite conservative. Guess we need to accept the fact that if this cannot be put in a neutral discussion then it's gonna be tough for Malaysia to improve.
From young I've live with them. I find there's no problem. I love them. So many times when we've problem they stand with us. I appreciate it. Thank you.