Casting vs Spinning Gear For Jig Fishing - Which is Better?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 ส.ค. 2022
- Should you use spinning or casting gear for jig fishing? On this awesome Summer Flounder (Fluke) fishing trip I spent half the trip with casting gear and half with the new spinning version of my Jig and Bounce casting rod. The results were surprising to me!
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The banter that goes on for 20 minutes amongst friends especially you and Doc makes my day. Thanks for these videos.
When fishing less than 2oz I like spinning..line comes off reel faster getting jig down fast ..helps prevent scoping
You've made me an absolute believer in the Accurist with the flipping switch. I just need to spring for a few power handles now!
Great Video as always. I have just completed a trip with Helen H party boat fishing the Nantucket Shoals. I needed to move up to 16 oz. to keep from scoping. I brought both a spinning setup as well as a bait caster (Daiwa Lexa wn 300) And I have to say that I had a hard time with back lashing and sinker free-falling issues even after adjusting the spool knob. adjust to tight and it takes to long for the sinker to get down without scoping. Adjust to lose and I ran into back lashing issues, my spinning setup seen to work the best whenever I had to either go up or down in weight while fishing a party boat.
Hey John when I first started watching your fluke videos I wanted versatility so I tried an experiment by putting a shimano bait runner 4500 spooled with 15lb braid on a pen carnage rod which is a little on the heavy side but very stiff and has an extra long butt for locking under the forearm. The bait runner has a free spool function with a switch just below the arm where it hooks up to the rod. It’s very easy to flip the switch with the other hand and turning the rod handle even a little will disengage the free spool function. I made this set up because my buddy likes to anchor and fish bait while I’d rather be drifting or casting with lures, so it allows me to do both easily.
I went out and bought the original set up that you pushed. The accurist and the tsunami rod. That flipping switch is absolutely essential when you fish on a boat When I fish from shore or jetty or canal I use spinning
I'll use both quite happily, but when I was kayak or jetski fishing and could carry fewer setups, I went for the spinning reel because it was more versatile. I prefer a baitcaster for pure vertical jigging or dragging softbaits behind a boat as it's easier to detect bites on the drop.
My go to set up is a Shimano Trevala and Shimano Thunnis CI4 4000. I can cast really far underhand. Since it's a baitrunner, I can release line by the bar that controls the bait runner....really easy... no bail flip needed!
I go to a baitcaster over 5 oz. Since the current is usually ripping then, casting isn't usually helpful.
Thanks for another fun video!
Fluke is my jam!!!
Love the banter on these trips. "Rick's Set and Net course"...
Great video John! Casting gear for standard drift jigging. I prefer spinning gear for a faster drop when fishing 100+ft with a light bucktail while holding over structure with the motors. Spinning gear when jigging bare metals for better action (flutter) on the drop.
another great video - thanks for the details. I prefer spinning rods off the beach and bait casters on a boat. Although I've gotten better with casting bait casters, the spinning reals are just so much easier off the beach without much effort. Conversely on a boat, bait casters are way easier to drop so I think we are on the same page.
I only use spinning when fishing by inshore structure for casting and bouncing the bucktail back or when there’s absolutely no drift I’ll break out the spinning gear and start casting. I typically like casting gear because I feel it gets better action on heavier jigs. I do love both but casting for bottom fishing for me.
I Christened 2 of my new set ups on a party boat just 3 days ago. I got one on my avet and one on my abu 5500 I was on the “wrong side of the boat”…. I got tired of lifting and re dropping by the end of the day so I grabbed a boat spinner and being able to cast out 20-30 feet makes a nice difference it was just a little weird getting the hook set down but if I was using spinning to cast out I’m only using a single buck tail .. I ended up getting a couple more shorts and another keeper and believe it or not that was in 6-8 feet of water with 1 oz buck tail and 6 inch gulp … I’m now going to be my self a spinning set up from j and h lol
Thanks for the video John. Love watching you and the boys fishing. Reminds me of me and my buddies.
Also that was the biggest I've ever seen a fluke jump. Thinks he's a tarpon lol
Fastest 20 mins of my day! Awesome fishing video as usual. Keep up the great work!
Nice comment - thanks!
Hey John, Got the Is beautiful blue Dark Matter Spinning Rod @ J H yesterday. Mounted reel and went out to Shinecock bay.. incoming on west shelf rip line today , on my boat. First cast/drift.... and I mean FIRST cast nailed 20 inch Fluke 4 ft water. I proceeded to limit out with fish from 19 to 22 inches. I had the best day of bay fluking in my life. Love the feel and hook set on this rod... 7 keepers , let 3 go as I had 4 bled on ice in 2.5 hrs. What I liked about this set up is I was able to spot cast into the really skinny water and have wind push me along the shelf. I want to thank you for producing this great rod!
Awesome! Thanks for sharing that!.
Loving your new bay casting rod, John. Fished with it for the first time yesterday and caught my biggest fluke of the season in Moriches.
Awesome! Glad you liked it and thanks for your support!
I don't get a chance to go out in a boat like this, but i enjoy casting reels for surf casting. I guess long ago I fell in love with the Abu Garcia 6500 CL series and just find it easy to cast and start reeling. Obviously really light baits can be an issue in rare times. Just something about it that is easy and natural for me. I guess just the path i took and you get kinda locked into it with rods.
Another great vid John! I use left handed baitcasters and have my whole life. I figure why hold the rod in one hand for spinning and the other hand for casting. That just never made sense to me. Rod in my dominant hand ALWAYS!
Same. It’s just more efficient as well. The only time I use right hand reeling reels is heavy tackle.
I recently picked up the skinner bay casting rod. Getting used to the bait caster. I went with a left hand retrieve even though im righty. My thoughts were strong and precise hookset with my dominant hand and crank with my left. Time will tell if I like it. I find it hard for me not to pick up my spinning rod with shimano stradic on it.
Like some of these comments. Agree with one, spinner less than 25' and with drift I like to cast it out and away at times. More depth great to have my daiwa baitcaster for easier control with continuous depth changes.
I prefer spinning tackle, so for bottom fishing like fluke I use spinning. I do a lot of lake trout jigging, where I'm actively reeling up and dropping back. For that type jigging a baitcast reel is better, just press the thumb bar to drop back down, no constant opening a bail.
Hey John, got my 12 year grandson started fluke fishing and he is left handed. All my conventional setups are right-handed, so I built him a spinning rod and got a baitrunner spinning reel, flipped the handle and also going to make to the bait runner drag loose enough so he can let down the line by just flipping the back lever. Member of your old tin boat community John H. Tipped me off you got a new boat, told him I was nervous you were abandoning us but he told me not to worry. Looking forward to seeing your new vessel. Ok love all you do for us fellow anglers. Member of your salt strong community also. Tight lines.....walt
Ha! You will not be disappointed with my "new" boat!
I love my spinning tackle although if I get a big fish offshore I'd rather it be on conventional. When I grab a reel it's spinning! Awesome video!!!
Falling knife has no handle! That was a mesmerizing slow-mo capture! Nice video, John!
I like fishing with both but I think the conventional is better for feeling the initial drop with your finger on the spool as opposed to the spinning reel. I like fighting with the spinner better...
I prefer conventional tackle for fishing of a boat just because I do a lot large mouth fishing it’s all similar to what I use. However I’ll use spinning if I’m fishing from shore dock pier because it’s easier to cast spinning . with conventional one backlash every so often causes me to break of jigs of and I hate losing gear.
Couldn't agree more with the conventional mindset. Same preference and similar technique when jigging bridge pilings for sheepshead. Flipping switch is a game changer.
I like casting gear for vertically jigging fluke because it is easier to flip the switch and get a precise feel of the bottom. But for Tog and Striper jigging with spinning is way easier to pull the fish out of structure.
On a party boat , it is exactly as you say !!!I. I prefer casting across drift swing & jig !
The Accurist is the best. Where I fish the depth is constantly changing and the flipping switch is especially helpful when you have to put the jig back down on a fish that came off. Always drop it back on them and the Accurist lets you do it quick.
The best lesson of the day was how to take care of a friend who is a bit under the weather. It was good to see Doc..
John, you know I love everything about your videos and I try in my own small way to emulate you in mine, but the best part about this video is how much you care about Doc. You're a good man, Skinner.
Hey - Doc's a good guy. The next morning he's texting me at 6:27 a.m. to go out on the Sound. We had a blast!
@@JohnSkinnerFishing You, Doc and the rest of the guys sharing your friendships with all of us is really great!
Thanks Bob!
I’ve decided I like baitcasters for everything except casting light baits. They cast more accurately (and just as far when correctly adjusted), give much greater line control for jigging, and better:easier drag adjustment for chunking or bottom fishing.
I just switched from spinning to baitcasters for flounder, because of watching Skinner, and it is definitely a lot better, in my opinion. I really love the Quantum Accurist with the flipping switch.
Glad it works for you!
I use both spinning and conventional. Normally in shallow water spinning and deeper water conventional. Why? Maybe just a habit but the reels are strung to match the rods. I have used spinning on head boats though for casting as you stated. One thing I have adopted is using a left hand retrieve. I noticed your spinning is on the left but the Accurist is on the right. I picked up an Accurist a few years ago but got a left-handed one. As a right hander it feels like it gives me more control. Thanks for the video!
Great input - thanks!
nice to see doc out fishing again...i like the idea of a spinning rod for slack tide or if u lose the tide or your drift speed is flying and u dont have a trolling motor a spinning rod can help to get your rig where it needs to be but for me spinning rods ive used just dont seem to have the quicker recovery like a baitcaster does and over many hours of fishing a baitcaster with a low profile reel like the accurist is more comfortable and i think give easier and better hook sets for me but i guess it all boils down to the anglers preference..
Good input. Thanks.
Thank you!
On my recent nantucket fluke trip I used the casting Skinner bump and jig rod but saw some guys doing very well with spinning gear. This new rod seems to be a good choice to add to the lineup.
When are you going to be putting out a video showing the new Bay versions. Thinking those will be killer for kayak fishing along the Cape Cod and Rhode Island .
The bay casting version - th-cam.com/video/85z4H1mcMOk/w-d-xo.html
Btw if you fish the pulpit on the headboats u never get a bad drift because u fish both sides unobstructed
John: I really enjoyed this video of your friends and you catching some beautiful fluke. I have a request and would ask if you would consider developing a lighter version of the original Dark Matter Casting-Style Rod? I own two of the Dark Matter Rods and love their sensitivity. However, I would really like a slightly rod for the shallow water I often fish. Look forward to your response and keep the videos coming.
We have it and got them in last month. It's called the bay version. Here you go: bit.ly/3B4X1Q1
I only use spinning in black fish season with jigheads, never tried it for fluke but I guess I should give it a go!
Me too on the tog - spin only.
Hey John pls do a shore video like you ie to do off the beach
I prefer casting for jigging, ive used every manufacturer under the sun spinning and ALWAYS get wind knots when using a jig style retrieve.
Hi John, I have followed your excellent education videos and purchased the fluke saltstrong course. I would like to get your new spinning rod, the heavier one. However, the action is moderate. Does that mean it's slower than the Night Ranger 7'3" MH/Fast?
I like spinning from shore and casting when vertical jigging on a boat.
Me too.
I like casting gear for pin point accuracy. I also like conventional reels for most trolling. For everything else I prefer spinning and except for extreme cases spinning does everything I do better than casting.
Thanks for that input.
Hope doc feels better and speedy recovery
Feeling much better...thank you!!!
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Way to go Doc. Out fishing Mr. Skinner is a huge accomplishment. Glad your feeling better. Hope you got your revenge on the John's.
Lol...no revenge yet! But thank you for your kind words!
@@johnkeriazesakadoc7271 wait till they forget and wham.
I only have a spinning combo. Work with what I got
I do prefer conventional reels for the most part from a boat but I own all bailless spinning reels and it’s so easy with one finger to take the line on/off the roller I find it just as easy as having the bar
That's a really good comment about bailless.
I keep it simple, 20’ or less/3/4 oz or less, spinning gear. Any deeper/heavier then conventional. I like one handed jigging in “shallow” water with a spinning outfit. Deeper water, heavier baits I like the line retrieval and power/control of a conventional reel.
That makes a lot of sense, and is consistent with how I fished on this trip even though I prefer casting gear overall. Thanks for the input!
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I use the dark matter Skinner casting rod with Accurist reel for fluking, but I think I’m going to buy the spinning version. The only downside to the casting version with the small reel/spool is that it takes a long time to pick up line after a big hook set. I find that I lose fish often during the first three seconds as I scramble to get a quick six or seven cranks on the reel handle to pick up a few feet of line. If you’re catching six pounders that are glued to the bottom, this is less of an issue, but if you’re catching New Jersey slot fish, you’ll have 5 feet of line to pick up real quick after the hook set. Not being able to apply proper pressure during that first three seconds of the fight is something I struggle with on the casting setup…at least me. That said John, what spinning reel were you using today? Or what would you recommend for fluking with the 63 version of the spinning rod?
A comment on your baitcasting reel challenge that I understand completely - are you using a high-speed baitcaster? I use the 7:1 gear ratio accurists, but they also sell slower ones. Still, I feel the same as you do about being able to pick up line faster with the spinner, which is one of the reason I use only spinning for tog jigging. I'm using a Penn Clash 3000 with a Slammer handle and 10# X9 braid on this one. If I had to suggest one for jigging, I think I'd go with a Tsunami Evict 3000.
@@JohnSkinnerFishing Thanks John. I use the same 7.0.1 Accurist that you do. I might try a “left-handed” version of the Accurist reel. I jig with my right hand and put the rod butt under my right arm after the hook set. I feel like that transition as my right hand goes from jigging mode to reeling mode is a little sloppy compared to a spinning set up where I can crank on the fish instantaneously after the hook set. I am thinking that a left handed Accurist might function a little bit more like a spinning set up in that I can start cranking on that handle with my left hand immediately after the hook set. Oh the silly things that keep me up at night. Thanks for the advice on the spinning set up. Going to purchase along with the jig and bounce later this evening.
Without a doubt baitcaster is ideal but when shore fishing I must use a spinner on piers and jetty that’s me tho
John, love the 2 Dark Matter casting rods from action and grip layout. I and saw the new spinning rod at J&H the other question and really liked the action. But Im 6'6" and prefer a longer butt 13" or better to tuck the butt under my arm for added leverage especially when Toggin. Question how come you designed it with a larger fore grip 7.5" + and rear about 11.5"? Why such a large fore grip? The rod would have been perfect for me if the fore grip was 2" less and rear 13.5" to br able to tuck it under my arm. The rear on the casting blanks are great. Thanks Joe
If you look at the thumbnail of this video, you'll see my left hand totally covers up that fore-grip. It's for heavy lifting leverage when needed. Good comment/question.
@@JohnSkinnerFishing Thank you for the reply.
It looks like Doc is using a sinker with two gulp above that. Is that an effective way to fish deep water when you have to use heavier weights?
Absolutely. It's a chicken rig.
John, unrelated to the topics on hand but thought I'd ask anyway. Have you ever used the gulp grubs in the glow color and if so, have you ever found them to out produce the other colors?
White glow is definitely a preferred color for me.
@@JohnSkinnerFishing do you ever use plain white?
Funny. I don't. I always order white glow.
Why no teaser on the spinning rig ?
Do you ever target cod? Also, what was the spinning reel that you were using??
No, but they're my favorite to eat. Penn Clash 3000.
Why didn’t you make a heavy version for the spinning rod? Will there ever be one? I typically go in deeper water 60-90ft and I prefer spinning would the 6’3 M spinning rod hold up well?
This rod is made for that depth range and the payloads and fish associated with it. This grouper trip shows the rod's power. Those fish are much stronger than stripers or blackfish. th-cam.com/video/UvmQ8p0nEeo/w-d-xo.html
What are the towers often a distance in the water? Are those wind turbines?
Yes, those are windmills.
How do you feel about hi viz line for fluke and stripers?
I think it's fine, especially with appropriate leaders. I'm a little wary of it for redfish though.
What reel and pound line are you using for the spinning setup? I just picked one up from J&H
It's a Penn Clash 3000 with a slammer handle and 10# X9 braid. Thanks for your support on the rod!
@@JohnSkinnerFishing thanks! Can’t wait to try it out, the rod looks amazing
I know I’m very late to this video, but why use no teaser with the spinning rod?
Cut down on extra resistance in the water to enable using the lightest possible jig.
I sure would like to see some Mattituck action ?
Next video!
I'm not a boat guy, but I love that boat.
What reel and line on the spinning rod? I plan on getting one this week. I already have the casting.
Reel: bit.ly/3TaSWCS Line (15#): bit.ly/3tgwgn9
Thank you. What reel size though?
And would that set up be good for blackfish/tog also?
Thank you for replying too. Big fan of you and your rods. I will be for life. I fell in love with the casting one. It's now my favorite rod to use! I get compliments on it all the time!
I use a 2000, but a 3000 would be good too.
Great tog rod.
Hello sir,
Does that technique works for most bottom fishes ?
That jigging technique with the gulp will catch a lot of things, but some fish, like blackfish, prefer real bait.
@@JohnSkinnerFishing amazing technique. May i ask do u have a vid in ur channel explain how to make this gulp? The line with two hooks.
Me and Bobinsuffolk use Cuban yo-yo’s exclusively. Best sensitivity and never a tangle.
Where is BobinSuffolk? I miss him!
@@jiggingjerks ; alas,,,,it is I, Bobinsuffolk under the non de plum Fred Hammer. I was kicked off TH-cam under my prior name because my witty banter and laser like commentary hurt too many views feelings.
Snowflakes abound !!!!
@@jiggingjerks ; in this video the bait knife goes flying overboard. It reminds me of the video a year ago when Skinner opened a live bait hatch cover on a boat he wasn’t familiar with and the cover grabbed a hold of his rod and reel and it launched over the gunnel and slithering down the briny depths as a souvenir to the local fluke. I laughed and laughed for days rewinding that clip. I almost had to go to the hospital I laughed so hard. I then imagined Skinner as a young boy catching snappers at the Mount Sinai pier as a seagull absconded with his half eaten bag of potato chips. Hot salty tears would flow. Oh,,,the humanity !!!
Spinning!
Where's the underwater camera action, it's been awhile
Lol dr is the Lance Armstrong of fluke fishing
when i'm jigging for some species, like bluefish, false albacore, and other small tuna, i usually prefer a high speed retrieve, and i don't think any conventional reel can match the speed of a fast spinning reel. but when i'm jigging fluke, weakfish, or stripers, i need no such high speed capability, so i prefer the physics of a conventional reel to give more cranking power and mechanical advantage for lifting those fish from the bottom. fighting the fast movers can also require putting line on the reel in a hurry, and conventionals can't match the speed of a fast spinning reel.
Really good points. Thanks for your input!
Who make that cutting board?
Rick's son, Blu-J Marine.
Love your rods. But now I’m poor loo
God Bless Doc!!!
Absolutely!
Thank you Bob again! One of these days we'll get you up here.
@@johnkeriazesakadoc7271 that would be great!!
I concur with your preference for conventional gear. If you are not casting, you don' t need spinning gear.
Halkias spoiled it and mentioned you got a new boat! When are we going to see that video skinner? Rumor has it it’s a contender.
He's a big mouth and a spot burner! Contender - funny.
@@JohnSkinnerFishing skinner with the fighting words!! Haha spot burner or party boat chaser?
Definitely spot burner, and definitely not a chaser except when Blu-J Rick is on the water.
More control with casting gear.
What kind of fish is that?
Goliath Grouper.
I prefer baitcasting on boat
And spinning from surf
Imagine Rick saying: "Oh my god John. I had that knife for 20 years" ...
Hi John, I have noticed that your casting rod is a skewed. What I mean by that is that your line guides on your casting rod are not inline with the rod. Why is that?
Look up "acid wrapped rod". By transitioning the line from the top of the rod to the bottom it reduces torque. Very popular on many of the better rods these days.
As someone with leukemia and who is also a avid outdoorsman ignore these idiots making comments about masks. Regardless of covid someone who just finished chemo would be wearing a mask anyway, and even if he wasn’t going through it it’s a personal choice that effects no one else.
Amen.
Thank you!!! It just boggles my mind what comes out of people's mouths!
I’m more of a spinning tackle guy myself .
I definitely prefer spinning gear because in situations with little to no drift I can cast without having to waste time on switching to a spinner from a conventional setup. Also spinners tend to be lighter which lets me feel the bite out better.
Spinning reel when casting jerk baits. Casting reel for everything else. Nobody i know actually uses a casting reel for its intended purpose. Best wishes Doc, and always check for those hook protectors. Dont trust these guys! Lol
Maybe im old but, I prefer baitcasters
Live my Shimano Tekota 500
Why so rigid on the presentation John? If the drift is that bad instead of drift socking/trolling motor and or bumping in and out of gear just switch to a chicken rig or fish a spoon. Instead of forcing the jig/teaser.
Huh what?
@@Flukeallday they said the drift sucks and had to use a drift sock, the trolling motor and 6oz jigs. Idk whats confusing about this
We find it convenient to fix the drift with the trolling motor in autopilot and then be able to fish lighter weights.
@@tonynicoletti8161 a chicken rig? That’s a hi/lo rig presentation which is basically what they’re using. But instead of a lead sinker they use a bucktail of same weight. You lost me at spoon.
@@JohnSkinnerFishing oh so after the trolling motor went down it allowed u to back off from 6oz? The way u said it in the video i thought u all just stuck it out w 6's.
Of course conservatives make negative comments about masks, they don't like Americans having the option to make choices...