Love these Marshalls and I have a 1982 Marshall JCM800 but I played out of a 2007 VOX ADVT50 and a 2008 VOX VT100 2x12 Combo fell emeditally in love with both of these hybrid Amps wish VOX would reissue them both
I have a 1974CVX wtih the original aged Celestion Heritage 15ohm 20W speaker , and I recently put togheter a Marshall Studio Vintage cab with a 1971 Greenback 25W to go with my 1W Marshall JMP anniversary head . The thing is they both sounded so good that I bought me another 1W JMP head , and now switch beetween them while playing at home ......ahh the madness !
@supergaryburns - if you see this, do you mean the SV112? I’d love to hear your thoughts on how they compare, since I am currently trying to decide between a 1974cx and an SV112 with a heritage greenback to be used with an SV20H. Do the bigger dimensions of the 1974 make a noticeable difference to the sound? Thanks!
@@JohanSegeborn A thought - have you ever considered doing a comparison between the vintage 20w Greenback and the G12EVH (effectively a heratige 20w Greenback)? I've not seen anyone do this, and its would be quite interesting to see how close (or not) they are. I've seen the video between the vintage greenback and the chinese made 25w, which is quite different.
Hi Johan, I think the 1974x needs a darker speaker. Have you ever come accross the Celestion Alnico Ruby? I'd be curious to hear how its medium frequencies compare to a pulsonic. The Ruby is said to tame those highs and give a nice body to the tone. I might pair one with my G12-65 1777. Great demo as always, have a great day!
Thanks Massie! I havent tried the Ruby yet I’m afraid. The 65 is a great 1x12 speaker too. It’s actually the original speaker of the 1933 cab here. Cheers
@ Massie Gauthier - G12-65 (1777) is holy grail territory for many and the Ruby could be a cool companion - I would also be curious to hear one because I’m not super familiar with the way that they break up. Also, I plan on pairing a set of 65 (1777) w/ a pair of Jensen Tornado Stealth. Maybe look into those. They’re definitely thick sounding and voiced darker on the top end - the lows are weighty and the low mids add a badass thump. Not sure if that’s what you’d be going for but I think they’d make a good pairing for the 65’s. Cheers!
@Tobias Chobotuck I agree. I used to be an audio engineer and spent many years performing measurements and experimenting with these arrangements. This will absolutely have an effect on the standing waves and their reflection from the rear side of the speaker cone to the cabinet panels. Some frequencies will be effected more than others at differing speaker locations on the speaker mounting baffle. Adding a damping material inside the cabinet will also effect output. Changing fill density and substrate also has quite an effect as well. These effects are both audible and measurable in transient response, frequency response, and phase response. It make a great driver and cabinet sound terrible, and bad driver sound terrific. Sometimes the cancellations are desired when a particular driver has a frequency response that is too bright in a particular spectrum. Ultimately, the final design is subject to listening tests and approved by someone. But production drivers to change so it's always worth experimenting by yourself to find if you can improve based on your own ear and preferences.
both cabs sounded great! nice to hear the comparison, they are close to me the Handwired sounds throatier and brighter, I kinda prefer the JCM800 but happy with either one. How do you think the 1912 cabinet would compare? Great job abd demo as always. Take care, Johan
Johan did you have the full back on the 1933 1X12 cab for this entire comparison? Some pics show the back removed (presumably to just show the offset speaker) ?
He is not actually using a 18 watt amp or a JCM 800 amp . He is only using the the 1974 cab and JCM 800 cab . The amp is a 70s Jmp head ran through 1974 and 800 1 by 12 cabs
To be fair he used a vintage speaker in the new cab and the speaker is what makes or breaks a cab . It's vintage speakers that make vintage cabs sound better not the cab itself.
Hi, Johan! I am allways coming to late. In this video most beautiful its vintage! New stuff is a sterile sounds like. So the old guards are better. See you! Zigfrid
He used the same vintage Celestion Speaker in both cabs . So how can the new cab be sterile? A pulusonic Greenback is not going to become sterile in a new cab . Your listening with your eyes . Both cabs sound almost identical because the vintage Greenback is where the tone lies
@@adamwatson6916 But Johan is my good friend, you know... 😉 I don't like conflicts. Your attitude is understandable. Basically agree, but I never writing negative.
@@JohanSegeborn It may be, but when you play in a band with several instruments you may have to have a bright tone? Marshall 1974X is a little dark at low volume and lacks an open and bright tone on the top. True, the amp gets brighter and brighter when you increase the volume and when you get close to 10, then everything is perfect, but unfortunately so loud that the drummer can barely be heard.
No subtle differences between them to my ears... You did it again dear friend! Cheers!
Thanks my friend, Cheers!
Love these Marshalls and I have a 1982 Marshall JCM800 but I played out of a 2007 VOX ADVT50 and a 2008 VOX VT100 2x12 Combo fell emeditally in love with both of these hybrid Amps wish VOX would reissue them both
I have a 1974CVX wtih the original aged Celestion Heritage 15ohm 20W speaker , and I recently put togheter a Marshall Studio Vintage cab with a 1971 Greenback 25W to go with my 1W Marshall JMP anniversary head . The thing is they both sounded so good that I bought me another 1W JMP head , and now switch beetween them while playing at home ......ahh the madness !
Yeah the JMP 1W is a great amp
@supergaryburns - if you see this, do you mean the SV112? I’d love to hear your thoughts on how they compare, since I am currently trying to decide between a 1974cx and an SV112 with a heritage greenback to be used with an SV20H. Do the bigger dimensions of the 1974 make a noticeable difference to the sound? Thanks!
@@garybratton7756 Hey . They both sound killer. But given one choice I would pick the 1974
Great comparison Johan - thanks for all you do.
Thanks Simon!
@@JohanSegeborn A thought - have you ever considered doing a comparison between the vintage 20w Greenback and the G12EVH (effectively a heratige 20w Greenback)? I've not seen anyone do this, and its would be quite interesting to see how close (or not) they are. I've seen the video between the vintage greenback and the chinese made 25w, which is quite different.
The offset cab seems too have a fuller sound. Maybe placing the speaker in a corner for some reason minimizes phase issues. Less reflections inside.
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it's also closed back right? that would also help with the low end
@@crouton3455 Indeed!
Thank you Johan! I love Jcm800 in any flavor!
Hi Johan, I think the 1974x needs a darker speaker. Have you ever come accross the Celestion Alnico Ruby? I'd be curious to hear how its medium frequencies compare to a pulsonic. The Ruby is said to tame those highs and give a nice body to the tone. I might pair one with my G12-65 1777.
Great demo as always, have a great day!
Thanks Massie! I havent tried the Ruby yet I’m afraid. The 65 is a great 1x12 speaker too. It’s actually the original speaker of the 1933 cab here. Cheers
@ Massie Gauthier -
G12-65 (1777) is holy grail territory for many and the Ruby could be a cool companion - I would also be curious to hear one because I’m not super familiar with the way that they break up. Also, I plan on pairing a set of 65 (1777) w/ a pair of Jensen Tornado Stealth. Maybe look into those. They’re definitely thick sounding and voiced darker on the top end - the lows are weighty and the low mids add a badass thump. Not sure if that’s what you’d be going for but I think they’d make a good pairing for the 65’s.
Cheers!
@@Izzy-fh8sr Thanks for the tip, I'll consider that!
I use the 1974x with an extension cab of two 10’s and it really fills the room.
The difference between extremely good and awesome...I'll take either
Thanks man! :-)
55hz sounds great: lot of meat and no shrill treble. Sounds better in the JCM 800 cab to my ear. More balanced. Cheers Johan 🤘🏻
Thanks Rene, Cheers!
Makes perfect sense because the original jcm 800 cabs had G12H80 55hz speakers
Great video as usual
Thanks Yasser!
What difference would it have made to have had the 800 speaker centered in the cab instead of having it offset?
Interesting question
@Tobias Chobotuck I agree. I used to be an audio engineer and spent many years performing measurements and experimenting with these arrangements. This will absolutely have an effect on the standing waves and their reflection from the rear side of the speaker cone to the cabinet panels. Some frequencies will be effected more than others at differing speaker locations on the speaker mounting baffle. Adding a damping material inside the cabinet will also effect output. Changing fill density and substrate also has quite an effect as well. These effects are both audible and measurable in transient response, frequency response, and phase response. It make a great driver and cabinet sound terrible, and bad driver sound terrific. Sometimes the cancellations are desired when a particular driver has a frequency response that is too bright in a particular spectrum. Ultimately, the final design is subject to listening tests and approved by someone. But production drivers to change so it's always worth experimenting by yourself to find if you can improve based on your own ear and preferences.
both cabs sounded great! nice to hear the comparison, they are close to me the Handwired sounds throatier and brighter, I kinda prefer the JCM800 but happy with either one. How do you think the 1912 cabinet would compare? Great job abd demo as always. Take care, Johan
Thanks Mark! I think 1912 is darker sounding than these. Take care man!
@@JohanSegeborn I find the 1912 to be dark sounding too but never compared it. Thanks for everything
Johan did you have the full back on the 1933 1X12 cab for this entire comparison? Some pics show the back removed (presumably to just show the offset speaker) ?
How many wires are in a cab? What’s the point of marketing a cab as hand wired?
Any other cabs are being wired by foot.
It’s part of the handwired series. Two wires
I'm going with the vintage cab. I never got excited about the 1974x
Guess what I like both of the sounds but I prefer the brighter
I actually prefer the 18 watter I played in person, the JCM800 sounded better here and suits your style more.
He is not actually using a 18 watt amp or a JCM 800 amp . He is only using the the 1974 cab and JCM 800 cab . The amp is a 70s Jmp head ran through 1974 and 800 1 by 12 cabs
Wow! I As a typical guitar snob where older is always better I gotta say the new one sounds better to my ears
To be fair he used a vintage speaker in the new cab and the speaker is what makes or breaks a cab .
It's vintage speakers that make vintage cabs sound better not the cab itself.
Hi, Johan!
I am allways coming to late. In this video most beautiful its vintage! New stuff is a sterile sounds like. So the old guards are better. See you!
Zigfrid
Thanks Zigfrid
He used the same vintage Celestion Speaker in both cabs . So how can the new cab be sterile? A pulusonic Greenback is not going to become sterile in a new cab .
Your listening with your eyes . Both cabs sound almost identical because the vintage Greenback is where the tone lies
@@adamwatson6916 But Johan is my good friend, you know... 😉 I don't like conflicts. Your attitude is understandable. Basically agree, but I never writing negative.
I prefer close back, so jcm cab… thanks for share…
Nice job.
Thanks Ian
Marshall 1974X sounds best with Celestion G12M20, so the speaker that is original in it.
I actually think that one is too bright for that application
@@JohanSegeborn It may be, but when you play in a band with several instruments you may have to have a bright tone?
Marshall 1974X is a little dark at low volume and lacks an open and bright tone on the top. True, the amp gets brighter and brighter when you increase the volume and when you get close to 10, then everything is perfect, but unfortunately so loud that the drummer can barely be heard.
The el84 Marshall has that el84 fizz and honk
The JCM 800 is warmer
They both sound great
Thanks Avery, I’m using a 2204 in both cabs though
This is a comparison between two cabinets, not two amps
They're small & sound good, I'd use them together !!
Thanks Byron
The open back cab sounds thinner
Open back always will...
Is it the same driver?
Yes
@@JohanSegeborn Ah, so cabinet resonance were hearing I suppose. Nice work.
Belisimo!
Thanks!
I don't understand why Marshall ships most of their cabs with T75's nowadays
1974 cx to me has more "rich" sound
old wood wins again
Tell THAT to young women!
Something WASN'T earthed properly!
Both sounded good otherwise! \m/
Thanks DMS
@@JohanSegeborn DID you work out where the buzzing came from?