Hello everyone, first I wanna thank everyone who watched this video! This is by far by best performing video yet and it couldn't be done without all of you watching. Second, I want to thank everyone for all the kind words, it's really encouraging and I'm already seeing if I can feasibly release videos for the rest of the Destiny 2 story content. Third, I want to thank everyone who has provided criticism for my video. I can't be perfect but I try to be as close as I can to get there, and that couldn't be done without pointing out mistakes so I don't make them again. Anyways, once again, thank you everyone for watching and I hope to provide new content soon! NEW EDIT!!! I see a ton of people saying they're excited to see new stuff which is awesome! This video's gotten a ton of attention and I couldn't be more grateful, it honestly doesn't feel real. Anyway if anyone is expecting me to release a video in the next month or two it may be a while. I've seen a ton of people point out that I've missed lore that would've removed some of the criticism from my video, so I'm going to look harder at the lore, and make sure I don't make these mistakes! There's so much shit to look through so it'll take longer but I hope y'all can deal with that if it means a stronger video. Once ago thank you everyone for watching, and liking, and all the comments!
So no biggie as I'm sure there isn't much there in the lore anyway, However if you want more backstory on Ghaul you'd have to look into Calus and moreso Caiatl. Hope I spelled her right! Ghaul was a protege I believe and he was the direct mentor to Caiatl. I vaguely remember a origin story of him being rescued by Calus as a child for his hardiness or something? Caiatl learned as much as she could from Ghaul while still feeling novice compared to him. Season of the haunted recently touched on these aspects yet around the leviathan era it went deeper, it also portrayed Caiatl's mentor as mysterious, political, and far reaching in some sense. Quick question? Who wore the Bane mask first? Ghaul or Bane lmfao 🤣!?
Explaining why the satellites were down at the beginning: one of The Nine disabled them. In short, The Nine are only sentient because of life in Sol. One of the Nine went rogue and decided to bet it all on the Cabal Empire instead of Humanity, not knowing the cabal's plan was to destroy sol. The One was punished for this, having their influence on Sol severely weakened.
@@onyonrong9244 in the collectible books you get throughout the game. There are a few channels that dedicate themselves to the lore of Destiny so you don't have to hunt them down. MyNameisByf is one of those channels. I think IshtarCollective is another.
The whole sattelites not being there situation was actually explained in some dep lore. The nine blinded all of the vanguard's recon, satelite and radar systems. Can't remember why, but that's that
@omensoffate if you're talking about bungies bad writing by filling a plot hole later I agree. I initially just agreed with everyone about the Nine blinding the vanguard but upon looking into it I found that the lore book this was in was written a year later. So personally I think Bungie fixing that issue later is kinda bullshit. I'm planning on addressing it in my next destiny video
ghauls armor is actually genius by design and true to his character, if you read the description of legend of acrius exotic shotgun it's basically a story about Icarus from Greek mythology, ghaul idolized acrius which in turn is what he based his armors design off of because he himself strived to do what acrius in his tale did.
The one thing most people don’t know is that the speaker DOES get visons and can hear the traveler’s voice thanks to mask he wore, he just lied to mess with Ghaul
Exactly. I mentioned on a reddit post once how I was surprised how little we mention the speaker now since he was so important, and people were replying saying how he was pointless and basically a religious figure. But no, he was actually somewhat in ties with the traveler, and was very important
To clarify, many people get the visions The Speaker gets, it’s just he made a mask which amplified them and made them a lot more clear for him to understand. So he wasn’t lying to Ghaul when he said “I never said it spoke to me” because it doesn’t. The Traveler essentially just talks to itself / the universe calling out and giving visions, it almost never directly speaks to an individual. The Speaker is simply tapping into it like a radio that’s constantly tuned into a news station and he relays that information to the city. HOWEVER he does have a bit of a power problem becoming a bit of a religious figure due to his connection with the traveler, when he speaks it’s the equivalent of The Traveler speaking and as such his opinions were given much more strength and he didn’t take too well to opposition *ahem Osiris* and as such many in the city don’t speak too highly of him
I do believe he was a lightbearer too though- in the lore we had of him pre-plunder its heavily implied he used to be or at least has a comparable power that allowed him to effectively act as a guardian.
@@ThePlatinumMeta he was also wrong about felwinter, as he was a warlord and he's pretty bad at his arguments,a gaurdian is a lightbearer that defends the last safe city,sinds d1 anyone rezzed by a ghost is known as a risen/lightbearer this was destiny 1 lore as in those times before the last safe city there were warlords and eventaully iron lords
The Red War is the definition of "wasted potential". Like all you do is traverse the old tower, go to a small new area, and you have a cutscene and your already on the main ship. Like it would've been SO COOL if you know, TRAVEL THROUGH THE LAST CITY!!! Defending fellow Guardians, saving citizens, etc you know WHAT A GUARDIAN IS!!! This whole motto of D2 was "what does it mean to be a guardian?" and they THROW IT AWAY 10 minutes later...
The original version of Destiny 2 actually had us walking through the Last City before the main assault, with a tutorial woman telling us the controls and giving us a backstory for everything (it was revealed with a credible leaker)
So I gave it a full watch originally wrote a fairly in-depth critique to this critique, and unfortunately before I realized it I had comment that was so long and I couldn't submit it without giving me a constantly Returned error. (I can try to find a way to link it you in the comments, or make a comment chain to give the whole thing if you so chose.) Because there's a lot of stuff you brought up that I believed should be addressed. So instead here's the more condensed and concise comment: While I think you bring up some fair details and criticisms in regards to the Red War campaign worth bringing up (like the Cayde teleporting thing which I hadn't considered and is a good observation) a lot of the video came off as whinging and nit-picky versus the few things I found substantive or compelling arguments especially regarding Ghaul. *For example:* You complain about how much you hate him without looking into why he's designed that way. In fact, you speak of environmental storytelling, but Ghaul's design being the "Michilan Man-Gundam". Yet his white and gold armor was something gifted to him be Emperor Calus, whom he previously dethroned. It matches the aesthetics of the Leviathan Raid Armor and weapons. The reason he looks the way he does is to convey authority and regality, along tying him back to and foreshadowing Calus. This is just one issue I noticed in regards to your critique of Ghaul. Plus some of the corrections/suggestions you offer we're...I'll be honest, really poor. Like "Humanity could team up with The Hive to fight the Cabal, take back the Light, and then turn on the Hive!" almost made me do a spit-take. Was that suggestion meant to be a joke? Because IMHO that's a far worse writing choice than anything in the Red War campaign. You expect a race who genocided trillions to work with their now depowered foes, to defeat the Cabal from taking The Light, and then expect Guardians to take back the Light before The Hive killed Humanity? Heck, you expect the Hive to even agree to work with the Lightless Guardians and not just murder them outright for multiple obvious reasons. You also bring up the other ways that Light has been drained...not mentioning such methods end up corrupting or turning those who wield into sadistic, murdering psychopaths (see Dredgen Yor). Plus the "BUNGIE YOU'RE SO DUMB" moments felt extremely off-putting and childish, especially when your suggested corrections leave much to be desired. Also you bring up "why didn't Ikora and other Guardians just try to take the Traveler's energy and Light from Io?!" Despite there being a mission on Io not long after that mission, in which Asher tries to just that. Turns out, it doesn't work like it was intended and could detrimentally effect Io (as in turning it from stable and habitable back to the hellscape it was). Which by the way, looks the way it does because the Traveler wasn't finished working on it. It did enough to make stable and habitable, but not enough to make flourishing like Venus or ancient Mercury, hence why it's in that state it's in. That said, I think you definitely have potential despite my thoughts on your critique. You have have a solid footing for foundation, editing, and structure of said review videos. You also clearly put a lot of well-placed effort in this video and given it's nearly 1 hour, I imagine it took a lot of time to make the script for, edit, and so forth. You've also been extremely responsive to feedback and constructive, which I laud you for and hope you continue for this and other endeavors. I hope this smaller version of my critique was helpful even if you end up disagreeing. It'd be up for a civil debate or discussion if you'd like. Maybe there is something I missed.
Wow, okay first thanks for writing this, I think criticism is definitely worth while. I've already seen many people discuss errors I made that where in the lore, honestly I'm not suprised I missed some stuff since there's so much of it. To cover the ghaul part, I didn't look at ghauls design that way, but you make a good point. I didn't know ghaul got his armor from Calus but it makes perfect sense. Calus loves his flashy gold stuff so ghauls armor replicates that pretty well. For the Hive argument, that was supposed to be a throwaway suggestion, not ment to be taken super serious. I understand how you could be taken aback by it lol. The part about asher Mir trying to get the light from IO I'm suprised I missed that because I watched this footage over three times and made multiple revisions. I really enjoyed reading this and I'm very pleased you actually took the time to write this all out. I'm really curious to see what the whole critique of my critique is, if there's any way you would wanna reach out just leave it below. As someone who's new to videos this damn long I'm bound to make mistakes so I wanna hear them now rather than when I've fucked up so bad it can't be reversed.
@@Nanokk_ You’re most welcome, and thanks for the receptive and cordial response. If I can find a way to send my full critique I will, just not sure how to do do. You’re also most welcome for the feedback! Here’s a bit of advice I’ll give in regards to feedback that can make all the difference: Be apt and discerning in your criticism. If you can try to understand why someone might’ve made that decision even if it was ultimately poor or you disagree with it. Sometimes it’s because someone rushed and didn’t think something through, but sometimes it could be for a good reason one might not have considered. IMHO, when it comes to BUNGIE and Destiny, it tends to be mix depending on the context. Ask around to see what people liked and disliked, see if there’s a common thread or even information you from a less expressed opinion you might have not have considered that has merit. I think also limiting or being selective with hyperbole will go a long way.
The red war will always have a place in the game to me. Nothing compares to us losing everything we had and having to regain it slowly taking out ghouls highest members till we finally get to face him
I'm someone who loves shitting on destiny quite a lot, but even I am blown away by the sheer amount of pedantry you focus on. Ghaul's armour looks like that because he wants to be a lightwielder, and you focus so much on that it's bizarre.
You had lots of valid criticism, but throught the middle point of the video it all just became "Bungie bad, Bungie dumb, I know better, this would be better, they should have done like this", it's really easy having the hind sight and speak of a position of disconect from the whole development process of the game. Should have kept it practical and focused, you let your personal grievances take the better of you.
I get your point but as he said early, "if you love something, you get to criticize it" and I think that is the reason why he was so harsh in the middle. As a long time destiny player myself, i have seen the highs and low points of destiny and i do understand his opinion on it.
@@GameyGamer75 In the middle it stopped being criticism, he was just raving about what he dreamt, how he wanted things to be, not how it should hava been improved.
19:07 LOL 1. Felwinter wasn't evil, he was apart of the Iron Lords. He broke the rule they had of perma-killing other Risen though. He was actually an Exo body of Rasputin that was resurrected as a Risen (before they were called Guardians). 2. Nezarec wasn't a Guardian, if you did Season of the Plunder, you would know he was an ancient Disciple of the Witness... 3. If you read the lore on Dredgen Yor, you would know there have been some... exaggerations on things when it comes to the Dredgens.
Okay, but I never said felwinter was evil. I said he killed fellow light bearers. Also I thought Nezerec was a guardian but whatever, and dredgen yor definitely killed guardians since it's legit told to us in the lore. I never stated any of them where evil, just that they've killed people dispite having the light (with the exception of nezerec I guess lol)
@@Nanokk_ my dude, don't take this in a bad way but, do some research and read the lore related to the topic, you would love it too. Try the ishtar collective
@@carlithocloutriguez5315 can you point out some of those things I missed? I would be interested to see if it's anything I already haven't addressed and I'll give you a response. Also it's fine of it's something I've already addressed but extra points if it isnt
@@Nanokk_ just a little point you missed when talking about the design of IO, the reason it looks so off in game is because originally it was an expansion to the Mars destiny 1 location.
When I clicked on this I was confused by how little people had seen this, and I still am! Thanks for this video and I’ll stick around for the future videos.
I thought at first this would be like gameplay or a documentary or even a retrospective, but got more than I initially thought, great job! Great video. Tip: If this is gonna be a series try changing the name of the vid to be more like "The Red War: A campaign retrospective" and the name of the series be like "From Dusk to Lightfall" to be more clear what your intention is at first glance, that may attract more people to the video!
Thank you for enjoying the video! I think the idea of a title change may work IF I decide to make it a series, as mentioned there's a lot of things holding me back from making those videos. But if I do decide to turn this into a series I'm definitely going to update the title!
I would have appreciated some understanding or praise behind certain decisions. Such as showing the Cabal Icon before Ghaul cutscenes. It's easy to see much of Destiny is about iconography and symbols. It's hard to get through this because every second is a criticism and not all of it is constructive
It's been a minute, but do you think you could point out what isn't constructive or comedic? Also the Cabal icon before the cutscene is really dumb. While the logo is nice, an establishing shot works just as well and doesn't feel like Bungie treating the audience like children.
From the point of view of a player who had never played 1 I found the Red War brilliant from A to Z except Nessus, that's why I play the game today but with hindsight I I totally agree on almost everything, I think Bungie should bring back the Red War but in demo form for new players, as it would be a demo veterans might just not install it....
The whole sacrifice angle is because us guardians, in our previous lives, displayed acts of heroism and sacrifice. That's why the cosmodrome, a place where many people acted in aid and defence, and defiance, for the many more people who tried to escape on the colony ships, is the birthplace of many guardians. My problem is that even if it makes sense that we wouldnt see this information in the main campaign, its so hidden in the lore that only 1000iq people like mynameisbyf and other youtubers of his sort are giving us this information. I agree with you on many points, including the missed opportunities of io, but i wholeheartedly diagree with you saying its hideous. The supervolcano in the dstance, the massive jupiter in the sky, and the abundance of fossils and dead plants all around, hinting at what once was. Considering we can breathe on the moon, i don't think the air on io may actually have been all that purified, it's more likely we just have more of that light magic. Who said the traveler terraformed it for humanity, and not a unique local biosphere? The way the rocks and landforms are shaped too, it does kinda look like cooled and hardened lava, dont you think? I do agree it, along with many other places even now, need more substance and unique gameplay elements, but io is my favourite of the vaulted locations.
I hope they bring the red war campaign back. It had a good story and cinematic scenes and soundtracks. Thx man for pushing this content and I’m glad it’s not dead.
First of all you do know that it’s a video game, a science fiction video game so everything in it is valid. You are criticizing Gaul because he look shiny and clean and not menacing enough for you, and u are comparing him to Oryx! Wow. They are different species, with different structures in their anatomical and social structures so, why would they have to resemble each other? Also the Cabal is like a “Roman” type of culture, that explains Dominos Gauls name and image. Instead of criticizing and trying to sound funny think before you do. There is a reason for everything in that game. Bad video.
You're really going to undermine my ENTIRE video because I didn't think the design of Ghaul matched his character? Which was an overall minor point in the video. I understand his design is based off the Roman's but even then the Roman's had sick ass armor designed for war. The consul has armor that makes him look like a warlord, which is what the cabal have been throughout the entirety of Destiny 1. On a final point, you say I should think before I criticize yet you have a very obvious spelling mistake on Dominus Ghaul. He's a leader not a pizza place
@@Nanokk_ not just that. The entire video is like that. Not just your Gaul observation. You are right about a few things like the guardian should have been dead after that fall. Overall your criticism was weak. It’s a science fiction video game. How much can you say it doesn’t make any sense in science fiction game?
@Ant Gonz okay but science fiction can still be grounded in reality, sure not everything makes sense but it never hurt anyone for something in a science fiction story to make sense. Titan is fairly realistic, I didn't mention it in my video but titan is full of liquid methane and ethane. Combined are denser than water, so the oceans move slower. Bungie themselves follow science when they want to but don't explain it because they would rather have it look cool. Hell people making the argument about the colour of IO don't even know that IO was supposed to be the dead forests of Mars but got a repaint to look more like IO. And the colour doesn't make sense because you can't have vegetation grow on top of pure sulfur like we see on IO. So it doesn't make sense. This mindset that you and many others have of "oh well its science fiction so nothing has to be realistic" is a ridiculous deconstruction of rules and giving a shit about the story you tell. It's when Bungie actively does something to contradict basic rules of science is where I draw the line. Space magic, fine, the traveler gave it to people. But a moon being immune to the pull of several moons and a fucking gas giant without adequate explanation makes zero sense. Unless the traveler somehow saved IO from being torn apart hidden away in the 300 some lore entries about IO I don't see how anyone could defend that one
I loved the critiques and analysis you did for the Red War and showing how Bungie missed so many chances to tell a better story or make a a greater campaign, but I felt like the IO section of the video was more of ranting than pointing out flaws in the story. Also, the Traveler is paracausal in nature, literally universe defying and ignoring the laws of reality stuff, (whether realistic or not ( I don't really care)), so IO not being realistic to real life IO seems a little silly. But the critique of IO being a boring destination is true, and the rest of the video was alright as well.
As true as many of your points are in this video, I feel like its unfair to complain so much about the colour of Io. I think you are the first person to ever compare what a destiny locale looks like in real life and be so pissed about it. The traveler is known for terraforming and scrutinising how Io's colour is the same despite it being a habitable place honestly just seems like clutching at straws. The design of destiny has been one of the few consistently excellent aspects of the game and its important to remember that its a fantasy game too.
Well there's a first for everything, but it was a greater point about how it was a huge missed opportunity when it came to the patrol space as a whole. I'm not saying it looks awful, definitely not my favorite area but I'd be lying if I said that parts of it don't look great. And while it may be fantasy, it's still science fiction. Wanting some things to make sense and grounded in reality shouldn't be a huge ask tbh...
You've got a lot of potential making videos, I feel like in time, you can make some truly great ones. I would just reccomend doing a little more research on the lore before critiquing the story, I know it's really poorly explained for the most part but KNOWING what's going and then critiquing how poorly explained it is would make your critique hold more weight, for example it's completely justified that you didn't know why ghaul looked like that. But I also have to assume that a lot of this video was made during the season of the plunder, which, outright says, not tucked away in a lore tab, but during a cutscene, that nezerac is a Disciple of the Witness and not a guardian. Also perhaps a greater understanding of the world would make your story suggestions a little better? Because while red war is bad, I can't say any of what you offered up as a replacement was better. Anyway, I would love to see you continue this series because in a game like Destiny with so many missed opportunities, Curse of Osiris is a BIGGG missed opportunity, anyway, keep on keeping on.
14:50 Lore wise, it's been months since you lost your light. Traveling from the Last City, to The Farm, took months. I do not think the game would have been enjoyable for people to do so many missions without the light, would just be practically a normal shooter game.
Ya know what would've been awesome and honestly pretty easy is for Bungie to tell us that it's been a few months and not just hide it away in the lore somewhere
I got to 31:17 and stopped. All you've done the whole video, despite saying "I love Destiny" at the start, was to diss the game. Like how poorly it's written and how Io isn't like the REAL Io (neither are any of the planets, nor weapons btw). So without a couple compliments thrown in there for SOMETHING in the game, it was like an hour long rant about how shitty the Red War was. I rather enjoyed the Red War and yes I played D1 as well, so I have perspective on both. If you try to make too much sense out of fantasy games you'll never be happy with them. I thought I was going to subscribe to give you an even 100 but not on this video. Sorry. I hope that's somehow constructive criticism.
I mean kinda? Like I understand it's a fantasy game but theirs limits to how far it can go before it starts to get ridiculous. As mentioned in my video what could've been done is show that the traveler ISNT a God, like what they're doing now. Also I do love Destiny, the harshest critics are usually the most passionate. If you watched the rest of the video you would've realized I actually enjoyed the last 4 missions of the game. If there was something I liked, I said it, if there was something I didn't like, I said it. I'm sorry but saying "I was going to subscribe to get you to 100 but I don't like the video" makes you sound incredibly bitter
@@Nanokk_ Not bitter at all. But I've spent years with the franchise and there are criticisms enough to go around. I have my own. But half an hour of "this was really stupid" got old for me. Maybe some "this part was great" interspersed with the crap parts would've kept my interest. I was trying to give constructive criticism but didn't flesh it out very well.
@Chip Sawdust saying "I was gonna subscribe, but I won't" is pretty bitter. If I had something good to say I would mention it. And I did. I talked about how good nessus was, how good titan was, how foreboding the intro was. If there was something good, I said it. Telling me you didn't like how critical I was isn't constructive criticism
This, hands down, is the worst PoS evaluation of a game I've ever watched. Believe me, I'm very critical of bungie and destiny too, but it's obvious you honestly have never gotten into the game and it's lore/story at all. The Red War campaign by far is one (if not THE best) campaigns they've done. Yes, it's much better when you get into the lore (the story not told every minute/second of the gameplay) but it's continuity is better than EVERY other campaign, to date. Forsaken was another great campaign, but with there being such a huge power climb initially, you couldn't really enjoy the campaign until you did 5-6 hrs of grinding (leveling up) before hand. Witch Queen was horrible, not only for its horrible gameplay, or constant time wasted traveling to and from planets and/or traversing the same areas over and over to start up a mission. But the new narrative team (former Square Enix) doesn't care to know or understand past stories and lore before they put garbage in that leaves so many new plot holes in the Destiny story as a whole, it's pathetic.
@Da ANSW3R well damn I'm sorry you didn't enjoy it. But unfortunately I'm not going to praise a story that doesn't deserve it. Multiple people have brought up lore excuses that either don't actually exist or are written as band-aids a year later. So unless you wanna debate about it (I don't, it's boxing day, spend time with your family) then it'll just have to be left at a agree to disagree type scenario
Writing this hardly 20 minutes in, I got into Destiny during the Rise of Iron DLC of D1 and ended up falling for the game. I've played D2 on and off since release and honestly this vid is funny as hell to me and so so accurate to what was going on in the game. I absolutely love the vid so far and I'm so glad for the algorithm for once
like i wont lie, I really enjoyed the campagin as it was even with all of its flaws, but as I know now, there was a lot that could've made it better. The bottom line for me is that I would rather the new lights and playerbase as a whole to be able to experience the Red war without improvement than to not at all. The new light experience now compared to the Red War is lacking in many aspects
The opening portion where you critique the reasoning for why the cabal made through without any trouble. Apparently the Nine cloaked them for some reason so they could make it through
1. Nezarec wasn’t a guardian. I don’t know why you showed him that way. 2. The “Bravery Inspires Sacrifice” and so on monologue refers to what makes original beings worthy of the Light before they are resurrected. You completely missed the point of it. And it’s actually been shown to be somewhat true with several characters that have been resurrected by the Light. (Did you really use “retard” as an actual insult 😑) 3. I personally think that the mission where the Guardian escapes the City, fragile and Lightless, is one of the greatest in Destiny history. There’s definitely a lot more that could have been done with the “You’ve lost your light” premise, but the environment, the dialogue, the dead guardians in the encampment, the phenomenal music, they elevate the mission so much. There’s actually a radio message if you listen closely about the Red Legion gathering survivors and slaughtering them, saying “they took our Light! They’re… killing us!” 5. Asher Mir is a great character if you actually dig deeper. The reason he’s so prickly is that his ghost and his right arm were corrupted and converted by Vex mind fluid. This not only stripped him of his immortality and seemingly robbed his ghost of all ability to speak or think, but it also stuck him with essentially an incurable disease that would turn him into a mindless vex drone. As a result he not only is terrified of his inevitable fate, but is also desperately obsessed with the Vex, in the hopes of finding a cure. He even contemplated shooting his ghost, to put her out of her misery, but says he’s too much of a coward to do it. In the season before Beyond Light he even enters the Pyramidion, the giant vex structure he was afflicted in, and brings it down on top of himself to prevent the Darkness to take its secrets. In my opinion, you can’t fully judge a character unless you understand them from all angles. He gets more characterization in the Adventures on Io, idle dialogue, lore entries, and the “Dynasty” world quest. His appearance in the campaign is basically a cameo. I’ll have more thoughts once I finish the video. I appreciate this long critique, but it feels overly negative to me. EDIT: So, I agree with a lot of the points. I wasn’t totally aware of the number of legitimate flaws you pointed out. That being said, I think that the Red War offers what the original Destiny campaign didn’t, which is to give a cohesive introduction to the world and a narrative that sticks all the way through instead of just being aimless hopping from planet to planet and then taking out a spinning burnt marshmallow in the black garden as the final antagonist. It also has consequences, the other two expansions partially dealt with the fallout of the Red War, and elements of that conflict are still coming up in the story in modern Destiny 2. Compare that to the expansions in the original Destiny, which were almost completely separate storylines save for the Dark Below and the Taken King, and had few consequences after all was said and done. That’s the main reason I would want to bring the Red War back, to give an actual introduction to many of the enemies, allies, and locations in the game instead of the half-assed “New Light” experience. New players have little context for the Red War, Cayde-6, Ghaul, Caiatl, Calus, etc, when they are brought up. Maybe it’s just from my tendency to look at things in a positive light, but I enjoyed the Red War and I personally think this video was really overwhelmingly negative in way that turned me off. Clearly you put a lot of effort into it though, and I find myself agreeing with a large portion of what you said.
1. I've addressed nezarec already. 2. I agree that it was built upon later and it's better for it, but at that time it was kinda vapid. (Also yes I use retard as an insult, I don't see the issue) 3. That's cool you enjoyed it, but there are SO MANY better moments in Destiny than leaving the city. It was a perfect example of Bungie having an amazing concept in the palm of their hands and doing nothing with it. 4. Personally I don't really care for the lore of Asher Mir. He's fucking annoying and Bungie should've explained that stuff in the campaign because based on the campaign alone he was just another vendor. I'm interested to see what else you have to say about the video. And yes the video is very negative... Because the red war was awful
Something I wanted to add here as well, you mention how the red war did what the OG campaign for D1 couldn't. Which was just be a competent story. I'm happy with where we are in Destiny's story right now but I just find it so funny that people are giving the red war props for what destiny should've already provided. Interesting that you bring up destiny 1 though. Maybe there will be a video on it next year👀
Red War was a great campaign. If you researched the lore a bit, it does make more sense. Also you can look at the lore in game now, so no excuses to not to really. Also Ghaul wore the pretty armor because he wanted to meet the traveler looking good. But even then, I think a guy that has conquered many places kind of has the right to put on a new set on armor, no?
for a "full analysis" you continue to be negative on story beats that are explained thoroughly later on. we even know more now with how much time has passed. "IO is supposed to have volcanos" yet the traveler is a literal god that can change and improve whatever it touches. its like saying "rhulk cracked a sun with a glaive but i cant one shot a raid boss with a glaive" idk bro great video; bad critiques
I'm gonna expand on this in my next video, but anything created past the release of that campaign is not fair game. We shouldn't need content created later to make it better. That would be called a retrospective. While my videos will end with a retrospective they're not what the video is about. Also the IO argument will be build upon in my next video as well
@@Nanokk_ not me a year later realizing i've watched this before and finding out I was glazing bungie hardcore. Nah I agree with you now that line was ass.
the red war should’ve and destiny as whole should’ve start using the word light bearer for people who have the ability to use the light instead of using guardians for all people who can use the light a long time ago. and also you would call anyone who has the ability to use light and dark abilities who also happens to not align with the city and vanguard values a rouge light bearer example all the dregens some of calus’s shadows. also the game at the time didn’t tell us this at the time but the power of light and dark aren’t necessarily good and evil. for example the ability to use stasis and the new subclass strand are powers that come from the dark while arc,solar and void are power which are gifted from the light. this is why the lucent brood is able to use light powers.
I mean I'm fine with not understanding everything, it may come as a surprise but I enjoy elden ring and the storytelling. But when it's something as important as how the red legion invaded the last city without the vanguard knowing is something that's kinda important and SHOULD be explained
@@Nanokk_ I mean when I herd them say that I just assumed the satellites were just taken out by the red legion by some stealth missiles or something I didn’t really think it would’ve been anything more
@SyphonEXP no dude they actually explained it, a year later in a lore book... It was a fucking band-aid excuse to explain a huge plot point even THEY didn't think about!
This was a good watch. While you could definitely be harsh at times, you echoed the way I felt back when I played through the initial campaign. Your story and character criticisms were on point. Of course, my opinion on The Red War has definitely softened with time, especially since as you pointed out, Bungie threw it in the trash where it's likely to stay. In some ways it feels like this video is 5 years too late, but it's a blast to the past - not just in the retrospective of the campaign itself, but in holding up a mirror to a lot of my feels from a half decade ago. Good luck in college! While I'd like to see more content from you and you are clearly skilled at it, keep your priorities straight.
Hey man I really appreciate that. I've actually still have my first draft of my script about the game from all the way back at around the release of shadowkeep, the reason I didn't release the video sooner was because I didn't think the script was good enough and neither was my patience to edit a video this long. (Also my editing at that time was AWFUL)
huh... I wasn't sure why I was recommended your channel... turns out I've seen this video before and I disliked it. Well time to watch it again and see if that held up. EDIT: Alright, I guess I just didn't agree with you criticizing the red war since I liked it so much. I do agree with you now though, after the shit shows of Dark Below, CoO, and ShadowKeep yeah Bungie has got to get their shit together! It's all too often that we end up having to suffer for months because of a lackluster expansion. Thanks for saying what I could not.
while u did have a lot of good and funny points through the video, it was getting frustrating hearing you nitpick literally EVERY SINGLE plot point, character design, and story decision (even when u were straight up wrong) that the video just got boring. If u just cut out the parts where ur the one being stupid, the video would be really, really good.
The point of the video is to go into detail, I can see where it can be boring for some. But it is it illustrating the point that a lot of the issues I repeat keep popping up. Also nitpicking is important, if small things make the overall product better than small mistakes can make the overall product worse. On the point of being straight up wrong I don't think that holds ground, but if you could specify the parts that are wrong that would be incredibly helpful. I really appreciate the feedback and I'm looking forward to your reply!
@cjallenroxs when you play a game, and find a feature that makes the game just a tiny bit better is that not worth mentioning? Maybe there's a small nod to a previous game like the MIDA multitool calling back to marathon, is that not worth talking about or even mentioning? If small good things can make something even better, small issues can make something even worse. If you don't like the nitpicking that's fine, but to say it's bad to nitpick is kinda ridiculous
@@Nanokk_ when u complained that hawthorn never explained why the EDZ is bad and why you shouldn’t go to the shard of the traveler, u were just wrong because it’s infested with fallen and she doesn’t believe the shard would help. u also said that the comm relay you help set up for hawthorn is stupid because they should just tell guardians to go to the shard of the traveler. the guardians have to have a place to regroup (the farm) before ever venturing out. the guardians are just normal people now and can’t just go from nothing to clearing out the fallen who guard the shard. the player also needed to regroup at the farm, get weapons and gear before we went after the shard. we didn’t literally exterminate every last fallen in the whole dark forest, the EDZ is still under fallen control. I agree that the campaign has a lot of issues, but not every single plot point is stupid and doesn’t make sense.
@Sum1wholuvsmen I'm pretty sure that if our character can clear out a ton of fallen and get our light back after touching the traveler a team could absolutely go and clear shit out and help Hawthorne. You might have a few casualties but that isn't something uncommon at that moment in the game. It's a sacrifice worth making but isn't, it makes Hawthorne look incompetent
I think along with the cabal killing guardians they could’ve shown the ghosts fleeing and then we could see them in hidden places cowering and after you complete the story they disappear from their spots showing that they went off to revive another person “worthy” of the light. That would also help play into the story without saying anything and showing how fragile every guardian not connected to the light are.
the reason io looks so boring is because it was originally planned to be mars. But since they already had mars for the warmind dlc they decided to simply change the colors and call it io. I think there’s also a d1 crucible map that took place in the pyramidion but in mars.
It wasn't intentional, but it probably unintentionally bled over into the script, this was my first time attempting something of this magnitude, and the script had been written months before the release of the video
I believe why Red War wasn’t the normal Bungie Writing was due to Activisions Involvement. Those guys are greedy and probably had a hand on the story. I’m not fully defending Bungie but we can’t forget about Activision being buddies with Bungie at the moment.
uhmm helooo, Im not tooo good at writing but i just wana say thank you very much for this super good video!! I never realy got to play the red waras lots and from the revew it didnt llooks very good but I love playing destiny so so so much and its my faverite game because of all the story teling and the worlds and stuff in it, and in games i usualy dont like shooting gun but destiny shootiung feels differnt and alot more fun, and it sucks that before there was no special ammo and only primary and stuff, the guns wernt too great and the story was blander asnd nothing to do at all!!! ummm so now i wana say your review was super super good and i cant wait for your another one to come out pweese soon thank you for reeding if youd did
Once you beaten the main campaign the farm becomes redundant apart from one exotic quest and later an secret mission that takes you back to the old tower other than that the farm is useless and was both overhyped and underwhelming bungie lied about the farms growth over time to pull an bait and switch on the player’s to end up in an new area along the towers wall.
I’m not saying that this campaign is good by any means because it isn’t , but half of the shit in this video is the epitome of destiny players complaining about everything, but I still enjoyed it excited for next installment
really great video detailing the flaws of red war (didn't talk about some bugs but thats fine) and how they can improve on it but this would've been an amazing video if it was released all the way back in the time of red war as they have tried fixed most of the inconsistencies in the game's storytelling (still work to be done but much better than red war), overall the flaws pointed out were the major issues with the game and now its getting better enjoyed the ramble of the flaws and wish for u to continue more ;)
i played the red war 3 times bc i was hardcore end game raider in d2 vanila, holy fuck it was so long so boring and so bad. people can say what they want about sunseting but the red war can rot in the dcv untill the ends of time
I mean jokes are based on taste I mean I. Destiny 1 I cayde’s comedy wasn’t really that much better and the character tragic attempt at comedy was intentional so idk what to tell
I am getting really tired of people always saying oh I guess I’m gonna have to fork over more money to get this or that like yeah of course you’re gonna have to pay money to get a fucking product, like damn do people expect everything to be free nowadays. And destiny doesn’t even cost that much per year, for all the complaints that it gets, it is extremely reasonable
Bro no one is complaining about having to pay for stuff in Destiny. Also Destiny costs SO MUCH every single year! If you don't wanna miss out on any of the content it's like $125 A YEAR!!! That's damn obsurd, as a standalone it's worse! 60 for the DLC, 10 for each season, 20 for the dungeon pass, and 10 for the event cards. You literally picked the worst hill to die on when it comes to Destiny
@@Nanokk_ witch queen deluxe edition was 80 bucks for literally all the content in the year and lightfall is 100 bucks for everything so why did u just lie???
@@Nanokk_ $6.66 a month for the witch queen year and $8.33 a month for lightfall year…. If u can’t afford that then u need to quit gaming and get a job
17:30. Manny the Mammoth was a challenge to do in The Ice Age animated movie. Because they had to rely mostly on his eyes/brow for expressions. But they did a good job of showing people how to do it. Guess what Karen, Bungie did a good job of Ghaul with his expressions as well, as limited as they were.
not to mention he needs the mask. The cabal cannot breathe our air. They probably shouldve even given him a full helmet to help with the pressurisation. The reason cabal heads explode into weird liquid is just that, they need pressurised suits to survive our atmosphere. But obviously making ghaul wear full headgear would make it hard to see him as a living being from a story perspective, so they did what they could
@@embyveddii Yeah, they have done a pretty good job with Caital though so they seem to have improved on that front. But I feel bad for the animators since they had nothing to work with lol
I know the writing for The Red War is bad, but I have major nostalgia for it anyway. I think it did a better job introducing me to the Destiny universe FAR BETTER than 2014 Vanilla ever could, and it feels natural since I was (and still am) a solo campaign player, it felt immersive to play alone, then canonically after The Last City is retaken and Strikes and Raids were made available, making the socializing in end-game feel like it was a part of the story, but maybe 18-year-old me was overthinking it. Regardless, I payed money for it all back then, if Bungie thinks it threatens the live game, I think they should reconsider making the campaigns all optionally offline (seeing we the players have been paying premium on them, even though I only owned D2 Red War, Forsaken, and now Witch Queen since they don’t plan on deleting that third one)
Honestly its dope that you can accept that the writing sucked but still enjoy it. Its surprising how few people can do that. I've also been a long time Destiny player, I've been playing since the Taken King and I've also purchased every single Destiny 2 dlc (including the ones that have been removed) so I also have a little bit of nostalgia but thats mainly due to screwing around in raids and making fun of the campaigns
How are you going to complain about Io being the same color as it is irl, but then you praise Bungie for doing the same exact thing with Nessus? And how are you going to complain about the horrible dialogue and comedy in the script when you're "comedy" is shit youaje about 15 different ghaul jokes and all of them fall flat and your script for the video is horrible simply for the fact that you keep bringing up the same bad points over and over again, saying it in the same exact way each time instead of doing the bare minimum and at least saying it in a semi-unique way each time
You clearly didn't understand my point about IO, go back and watch it and actually listen to my points. I bring up the same bad points over and over because they keep coming up over and over. If it's annoying then you can understand the frustration of constantly having to experience it in game. For someone who's willing to talk so much shit you really don't understand the video all that much do you?
It's similar, since we hit sons similar points, but he almost seemed like he didn't want to make the video. He had a defeatist attitude towards the whole thing instead of giving the game a fair shot.
The traveler itself cause no affect to earths gravity and yes the traveler terraforms planets and I don’t think it has limits as it quite literally gave a tiny little AI robot the ability to bring dead people to life and be able to hold the power of the sun in your hands, the raw power of lighting, and the infinite void of a black hole. So yes IO doesn’t look like it’s real life counter part like ik this is a retrospective but by Far read war of d2 was great if cures of Osiris and warmind had actual been good others would agree
Okay let me clarify, it isn't consistent with Destiny itself. Destiny has fantasy stuff and science breaking stuff but nothing like saving an entire moon, like I don't know if you understand how much would have to fundamentally change about io for it not to become a hell planet instantly all over again. The liquid methane oceans of titan are consistent, the dunes of Mars are consistent, so why isn't io? The answer is because it isn't
This Video gets Things right from a Gameplay Perspective Like Not enough Things were used but if you go from a lore Perspective everything Changes Like nezerac Not being a Guardian but a disciple of the witness and why the satellites we're down and i could go on but that would be too Long to read so i give you Credit for having a good gameplay and Location Vision but you May If you didnt have expend your wisdom in the Lore.
The satellites going down was added in jokers wild, if it's added after the campaign I call that off since it's more of a band-aid excuse than expanding your knowledge on the story. The nezarec thing is totally fair tho
Good video but you are missing so many points...Read the lore for information, one of the Nine silenced the satellites to see what would happen. As for the scouts not saying anything, there was a celebration in the last city before the invasion. Ghaul's armor is pristine because he changed it after fighting the Fulminator, but you can see the scars left on his face. You saw the dream with the Traveler and the hawk....
The Nine thing and the satellites thing doesn't work, that lore entry was made in the season of the drifter, personally anything that "fixes" issues with the campaigns released after the campaign isn't considered. I'll address it more in my next video. Could you point me to the spesific lore entry about ghaul taking the Fulminator's armor? I've been trying to track down a solid statement that talks about the origin of his armor and I can't find it
If you need help hit me up, I specialize in graphic design and could help you increase the quality, as I really like this to be a series and liked the material
Ghaul is supposed to be a saviour of the cabal he led a coup against calus with caital. That’s why his armour is white and he wears that because he was once a gladiator who proved himself in the arenas on torobatl. So now he dresses himself in this way to show his rise to power. It’s amusing how little you know about the lore and think that justifies your terrible “complaints” 6:15 . And I don’t see how his dialogue is terrible. Cos he’s right even us as players we began to find content too easy cos we had all our light powers. And as guardians we don’t use our power for conquest as a battle hardened cabal would
Yo genuine question. I've asked this to a ton of people with no actual answer so maybe you can give me one. What lore book specifically does it state why Ghaul’s armor looks like the way it does? Because I looked before and after my video with no solid answer but like 5 different claims of why his armor looks like that...
i commend the time it probably took to put this vid together, but i cant say i like it, full of incorrect information, i can admit when the game has bad stuff but this feels like hating on tiny things like how a planet looks compared to real life. also the lore youre saying isnt right you really should have done more research
Okay, now can you give me specific points where I got the lore wrong. Because Bungie has shown with their own game that they're more than willing to follow how the planets work in real life pretty accurately, which makes Bungies level design inconsistent. But when it comes to the lore I need you to give me actual examples because just telling me I got stuff wrong doesn't help. EDIT: Also calling the planets inconsistant isnt a huge point, but it doesn't have to be. If I wanna bring something up I will, I personally don't really care much for people telling me what I should or should not care about (not saying you specifically do but many people who respond like this have that mentality). I really hope you can bring me some hard hitting criticisms instead of nothing points because I wanna improve my stuff. So hit me hard! I'll respond accordingly!
@@Nanokk_ ya I guess in a way it was pretty half assed, and also I just want to mention that I like your ideas of io halving environmental hazards I think that's a pretty cool idea that should be implemented in all of our destinations not just Europa from beyond light. You earn a sub from me, keep up the good work 👍
Yeah a bit, he made good points but the video overall was half-assed since he said in his video he didn't like it after one mission on titan. He also doesn't look into the lore which I think is dumb since it's such an important part of the games story at this point
for the assault on tower criticism .. did you maybe consider that they used jamming tech so that guardians couldn't contact? did you forget that they were in the clouds did you also forget we some reason or another have no fleets? 🤨
Youre telling me at no point a guardian or someone on the ground wouldn't have seen this giant fleet at any time at anywhere in the system. Not only that but if this jamming tech supposedly existed, although that's not even the reason they gave which is a reason Bungie added in a lore book a year after release btw. You're telling me nobody noticed the jammed comms right before the attack? It doesn't make any sense. There are too many variables that arent accounted for. It simply doesn't work
I started playing Destiny in Season 17 when Halo finally shat the bed. I never got to play the Red War and you're the first person to give an objective view of the campaign. Most people view it through rose tinted glasses and say it was great. You bring up some really good points. It's not horrible, but it could've been much better
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Hello everyone, first I wanna thank everyone who watched this video! This is by far by best performing video yet and it couldn't be done without all of you watching. Second, I want to thank everyone for all the kind words, it's really encouraging and I'm already seeing if I can feasibly release videos for the rest of the Destiny 2 story content. Third, I want to thank everyone who has provided criticism for my video. I can't be perfect but I try to be as close as I can to get there, and that couldn't be done without pointing out mistakes so I don't make them again. Anyways, once again, thank you everyone for watching and I hope to provide new content soon!
NEW EDIT!!!
I see a ton of people saying they're excited to see new stuff which is awesome! This video's gotten a ton of attention and I couldn't be more grateful, it honestly doesn't feel real. Anyway if anyone is expecting me to release a video in the next month or two it may be a while. I've seen a ton of people point out that I've missed lore that would've removed some of the criticism from my video, so I'm going to look harder at the lore, and make sure I don't make these mistakes! There's so much shit to look through so it'll take longer but I hope y'all can deal with that if it means a stronger video. Once ago thank you everyone for watching, and liking, and all the comments!
So no biggie as I'm sure there isn't much there in the lore anyway, However if you want more backstory on Ghaul you'd have to look into Calus and moreso Caiatl. Hope I spelled her right! Ghaul was a protege I believe and he was the direct mentor to Caiatl. I vaguely remember a origin story of him being rescued by Calus as a child for his hardiness or something? Caiatl learned as much as she could from Ghaul while still feeling novice compared to him. Season of the haunted recently touched on these aspects yet around the leviathan era it went deeper, it also portrayed Caiatl's mentor as mysterious, political, and far reaching in some sense. Quick question? Who wore the Bane mask first? Ghaul or Bane lmfao 🤣!?
Crap I just remembered, wasn't there a scene in The Red War where Ghaul donned his ceremonial white leader armor? If not I'm deluded and apologize!
@Sciji there was concept art for it but I don't think it was actually in the game. Check Patrick Bloom on art station
@@Nanokk_ cayde shoots the missiles
@NEP NEP is he using deadshot or marksman tho?
Explaining why the satellites were down at the beginning: one of The Nine disabled them. In short, The Nine are only sentient because of life in Sol. One of the Nine went rogue and decided to bet it all on the Cabal Empire instead of Humanity, not knowing the cabal's plan was to destroy sol. The One was punished for this, having their influence on Sol severely weakened.
is that the same one we see. with that cutscene with drifter?
That’s the Emissary, not one of the Nine. Her name is Orin and she serves the Nine.
When is this explained?
@@onyonrong9244 Grimores, destiny thing.
@@onyonrong9244 in the collectible books you get throughout the game. There are a few channels that dedicate themselves to the lore of Destiny so you don't have to hunt them down. MyNameisByf is one of those channels. I think IshtarCollective is another.
this video was entertaining as fuck and i would definitely watch reviews of the other d2 campaigns. good shit bro.
The whole sattelites not being there situation was actually explained in some dep lore. The nine blinded all of the vanguard's recon, satelite and radar systems. Can't remember why, but that's that
Yeah I've seen a few people say that, wish I would've known that sooner lol
It was a rogue member of the nine
It would be nice to see that when it was The sole reason why the Cabal were able to capture the traveler. It seems very important to the plot.
@@Nanokk_ eh it’s pretty bad writing to fill a plot hole
@omensoffate if you're talking about bungies bad writing by filling a plot hole later I agree. I initially just agreed with everyone about the Nine blinding the vanguard but upon looking into it I found that the lore book this was in was written a year later. So personally I think Bungie fixing that issue later is kinda bullshit. I'm planning on addressing it in my next destiny video
ghauls armor is actually genius by design and true to his character, if you read the description of legend of acrius exotic shotgun it's basically a story about Icarus from Greek mythology, ghaul idolized acrius which in turn is what he based his armors design off of because he himself strived to do what acrius in his tale did.
The one thing most people don’t know is that the speaker DOES get visons and can hear the traveler’s voice thanks to mask he wore, he just lied to mess with Ghaul
Exactly. I mentioned on a reddit post once how I was surprised how little we mention the speaker now since he was so important, and people were replying saying how he was pointless and basically a religious figure. But no, he was actually somewhat in ties with the traveler, and was very important
To clarify, many people get the visions The Speaker gets, it’s just he made a mask which amplified them and made them a lot more clear for him to understand. So he wasn’t lying to Ghaul when he said “I never said it spoke to me” because it doesn’t. The Traveler essentially just talks to itself / the universe calling out and giving visions, it almost never directly speaks to an individual. The Speaker is simply tapping into it like a radio that’s constantly tuned into a news station and he relays that information to the city. HOWEVER he does have a bit of a power problem becoming a bit of a religious figure due to his connection with the traveler, when he speaks it’s the equivalent of The Traveler speaking and as such his opinions were given much more strength and he didn’t take too well to opposition *ahem Osiris* and as such many in the city don’t speak too highly of him
Small error at 19:05, Nezarec was a disciple of the Witness, not a lightbearer.
I do believe he was a lightbearer too though- in the lore we had of him pre-plunder its heavily implied he used to be or at least has a comparable power that allowed him to effectively act as a guardian.
This videos was released before Lightfall came out so I don’t blame him for still believing that nezarec was a guardian still at this point
@@ThePlatinumMeta he was also wrong about felwinter, as he was a warlord and he's pretty bad at his arguments,a gaurdian is a lightbearer that defends the last safe city,sinds d1 anyone rezzed by a ghost is known as a risen/lightbearer this was destiny 1 lore as in those times before the last safe city there were warlords and eventaully iron lords
The Red War is the definition of "wasted potential". Like all you do is traverse the old tower, go to a small new area, and you have a cutscene and your already on the main ship. Like it would've been SO COOL if you know, TRAVEL THROUGH THE LAST CITY!!! Defending fellow Guardians, saving citizens, etc you know WHAT A GUARDIAN IS!!! This whole motto of D2 was "what does it mean to be a guardian?" and they THROW IT AWAY 10 minutes later...
The original version of Destiny 2 actually had us walking through the Last City before the main assault, with a tutorial woman telling us the controls and giving us a backstory for everything (it was revealed with a credible leaker)
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yes ... but ours is the best defense, whichs is an offense lmao
So I gave it a full watch originally wrote a fairly in-depth critique to this critique, and unfortunately before I realized it I had comment that was so long and I couldn't submit it without giving me a constantly Returned error. (I can try to find a way to link it you in the comments, or make a comment chain to give the whole thing if you so chose.)
Because there's a lot of stuff you brought up that I believed should be addressed. So instead here's the more condensed and concise comment: While I think you bring up some fair details and criticisms in regards to the Red War campaign worth bringing up (like the Cayde teleporting thing which I hadn't considered and is a good observation) a lot of the video came off as whinging and nit-picky versus the few things I found substantive or compelling arguments especially regarding Ghaul. *For example:* You complain about how much you hate him without looking into why he's designed that way. In fact, you speak of environmental storytelling, but Ghaul's design being the "Michilan Man-Gundam". Yet his white and gold armor was something gifted to him be Emperor Calus, whom he previously dethroned. It matches the aesthetics of the Leviathan Raid Armor and weapons. The reason he looks the way he does is to convey authority and regality, along tying him back to and foreshadowing Calus. This is just one issue I noticed in regards to your critique of Ghaul.
Plus some of the corrections/suggestions you offer we're...I'll be honest, really poor. Like "Humanity could team up with The Hive to fight the Cabal, take back the Light, and then turn on the Hive!" almost made me do a spit-take. Was that suggestion meant to be a joke? Because IMHO that's a far worse writing choice than anything in the Red War campaign. You expect a race who genocided trillions to work with their now depowered foes, to defeat the Cabal from taking The Light, and then expect Guardians to take back the Light before The Hive killed Humanity? Heck, you expect the Hive to even agree to work with the Lightless Guardians and not just murder them outright for multiple obvious reasons. You also bring up the other ways that Light has been drained...not mentioning such methods end up corrupting or turning those who wield into sadistic, murdering psychopaths (see Dredgen Yor). Plus the "BUNGIE YOU'RE SO DUMB" moments felt extremely off-putting and childish, especially when your suggested corrections leave much to be desired.
Also you bring up "why didn't Ikora and other Guardians just try to take the Traveler's energy and Light from Io?!" Despite there being a mission on Io not long after that mission, in which Asher tries to just that. Turns out, it doesn't work like it was intended and could detrimentally effect Io (as in turning it from stable and habitable back to the hellscape it was). Which by the way, looks the way it does because the Traveler wasn't finished working on it. It did enough to make stable and habitable, but not enough to make flourishing like Venus or ancient Mercury, hence why it's in that state it's in.
That said,
I think you definitely have potential despite my thoughts on your critique. You have have a solid footing for foundation, editing, and structure of said review videos. You also clearly put a lot of well-placed effort in this video and given it's nearly 1 hour, I imagine it took a lot of time to make the script for, edit, and so forth. You've also been extremely responsive to feedback and constructive, which I laud you for and hope you continue for this and other endeavors.
I hope this smaller version of my critique was helpful even if you end up disagreeing. It'd be up for a civil debate or discussion if you'd like. Maybe there is something I missed.
Wow, okay first thanks for writing this, I think criticism is definitely worth while. I've already seen many people discuss errors I made that where in the lore, honestly I'm not suprised I missed some stuff since there's so much of it. To cover the ghaul part, I didn't look at ghauls design that way, but you make a good point. I didn't know ghaul got his armor from Calus but it makes perfect sense. Calus loves his flashy gold stuff so ghauls armor replicates that pretty well.
For the Hive argument, that was supposed to be a throwaway suggestion, not ment to be taken super serious. I understand how you could be taken aback by it lol. The part about asher Mir trying to get the light from IO I'm suprised I missed that because I watched this footage over three times and made multiple revisions.
I really enjoyed reading this and I'm very pleased you actually took the time to write this all out. I'm really curious to see what the whole critique of my critique is, if there's any way you would wanna reach out just leave it below. As someone who's new to videos this damn long I'm bound to make mistakes so I wanna hear them now rather than when I've fucked up so bad it can't be reversed.
@@Nanokk_ You’re most welcome, and thanks for the receptive and cordial response. If I can find a way to send my full critique I will, just not sure how to do do. You’re also most welcome for the feedback!
Here’s a bit of advice I’ll give in regards to feedback that can make all the difference: Be apt and discerning in your criticism. If you can try to understand why someone might’ve made that decision even if it was ultimately poor or you disagree with it. Sometimes it’s because someone rushed and didn’t think something through, but sometimes it could be for a good reason one might not have considered. IMHO, when it comes to BUNGIE and Destiny, it tends to be mix depending on the context. Ask around to see what people liked and disliked, see if there’s a common thread or even information you from a less expressed opinion you might have not have considered that has merit.
I think also limiting or being selective with hyperbole will go a long way.
I had no idea you could write a comment this long..
We… are still on destiny right?
YOU PEOPLE ARE BEING NICE TO EACH OTHER AND NOT RAGING OVER OUTFITS!?
Neat
The red war will always have a place in the game to me. Nothing compares to us losing everything we had and having to regain it slowly taking out ghouls highest members till we finally get to face him
and the last time we got a chance to play inside the last city area
@@GameyGamer75 wasn't there scourge of the past where the worst looking sparrow existed?
@@GameyGamer75well guess what
I'm someone who loves shitting on destiny quite a lot, but even I am blown away by the sheer amount of pedantry you focus on. Ghaul's armour looks like that because he wants to be a lightwielder, and you focus so much on that it's bizarre.
You had lots of valid criticism, but throught the middle point of the video it all just became "Bungie bad, Bungie dumb, I know better, this would be better, they should have done like this", it's really easy having the hind sight and speak of a position of disconect from the whole development process of the game. Should have kept it practical and focused, you let your personal grievances take the better of you.
I get your point but as he said early, "if you love something, you get to criticize it" and I think that is the reason why he was so harsh in the middle. As a long time destiny player myself, i have seen the highs and low points of destiny and i do understand his opinion on it.
@@GameyGamer75 In the middle it stopped being criticism, he was just raving about what he dreamt, how he wanted things to be, not how it should hava been improved.
19:07 LOL
1. Felwinter wasn't evil, he was apart of the Iron Lords. He broke the rule they had of perma-killing other Risen though. He was actually an Exo body of Rasputin that was resurrected as a Risen (before they were called Guardians).
2. Nezarec wasn't a Guardian, if you did Season of the Plunder, you would know he was an ancient Disciple of the Witness...
3. If you read the lore on Dredgen Yor, you would know there have been some... exaggerations on things when it comes to the Dredgens.
Okay, but I never said felwinter was evil. I said he killed fellow light bearers. Also I thought Nezerec was a guardian but whatever, and dredgen yor definitely killed guardians since it's legit told to us in the lore. I never stated any of them where evil, just that they've killed people dispite having the light (with the exception of nezerec I guess lol)
@@Nanokk_ my dude, don't take this in a bad way but, do some research and read the lore related to the topic, you would love it too. Try the ishtar collective
@@Nanokk_ u needa do more research theres a lot of errors bungie actually pays attention so there’s no plotholes you needa watch my name is byf
@@carlithocloutriguez5315 can you point out some of those things I missed? I would be interested to see if it's anything I already haven't addressed and I'll give you a response. Also it's fine of it's something I've already addressed but extra points if it isnt
@@Nanokk_ just a little point you missed when talking about the design of IO, the reason it looks so off in game is because originally it was an expansion to the Mars destiny 1 location.
When I clicked on this I was confused by how little people had seen this, and I still am! Thanks for this video and I’ll stick around for the future videos.
Hey man thank you so much, I really appreciate people enjoying what I put out!
i was thinking the same thing
Agreed
I thought at first this would be like gameplay or a documentary or even a retrospective, but got more than I initially thought, great job! Great video.
Tip: If this is gonna be a series try changing the name of the vid to be more like "The Red War: A campaign retrospective" and the name of the series be like "From Dusk to Lightfall" to be more clear what your intention is at first glance, that may attract more people to the video!
Thank you for enjoying the video! I think the idea of a title change may work IF I decide to make it a series, as mentioned there's a lot of things holding me back from making those videos. But if I do decide to turn this into a series I'm definitely going to update the title!
I would have appreciated some understanding or praise behind certain decisions.
Such as showing the Cabal Icon before Ghaul cutscenes. It's easy to see much of Destiny is about iconography and symbols.
It's hard to get through this because every second is a criticism and not all of it is constructive
It's been a minute, but do you think you could point out what isn't constructive or comedic? Also the Cabal icon before the cutscene is really dumb. While the logo is nice, an establishing shot works just as well and doesn't feel like Bungie treating the audience like children.
From the point of view of a player who had never played 1 I found the Red War brilliant from A to Z except Nessus, that's why I play the game today but with hindsight I I totally agree on almost everything, I think Bungie should bring back the Red War but in demo form for new players, as it would be a demo veterans might just not install it....
the amount of times you groaned fuck was making me uncomfortable 💀
The whole sacrifice angle is because us guardians, in our previous lives, displayed acts of heroism and sacrifice. That's why the cosmodrome, a place where many people acted in aid and defence, and defiance, for the many more people who tried to escape on the colony ships, is the birthplace of many guardians.
My problem is that even if it makes sense that we wouldnt see this information in the main campaign, its so hidden in the lore that only 1000iq people like mynameisbyf and other youtubers of his sort are giving us this information.
I agree with you on many points, including the missed opportunities of io, but i wholeheartedly diagree with you saying its hideous. The supervolcano in the dstance, the massive jupiter in the sky, and the abundance of fossils and dead plants all around, hinting at what once was. Considering we can breathe on the moon, i don't think the air on io may actually have been all that purified, it's more likely we just have more of that light magic. Who said the traveler terraformed it for humanity, and not a unique local biosphere? The way the rocks and landforms are shaped too, it does kinda look like cooled and hardened lava, dont you think?
I do agree it, along with many other places even now, need more substance and unique gameplay elements, but io is my favourite of the vaulted locations.
Bro listening to you at the end talking about how you're excited for lightfalls campaign made me so sad. That comment aged like milk lol.
This is the great retrospective on this franchise. Love to see this continued. Great video, looking forward for your future vids
I hope they bring the red war campaign back. It had a good story and cinematic scenes and soundtracks. Thx man for pushing this content and I’m glad it’s not dead.
First of all you do know that it’s a video game, a science fiction video game so everything in it is valid. You are criticizing Gaul because he look shiny and clean and not menacing enough for you, and u are comparing him to Oryx! Wow. They are different species, with different structures in their anatomical and social structures so, why would they have to resemble each other? Also the Cabal is like a “Roman” type of culture, that explains Dominos Gauls name and image. Instead of criticizing and trying to sound funny think before you do. There is a reason for everything in that game. Bad video.
You're really going to undermine my ENTIRE video because I didn't think the design of Ghaul matched his character? Which was an overall minor point in the video. I understand his design is based off the Roman's but even then the Roman's had sick ass armor designed for war. The consul has armor that makes him look like a warlord, which is what the cabal have been throughout the entirety of Destiny 1. On a final point, you say I should think before I criticize yet you have a very obvious spelling mistake on Dominus Ghaul. He's a leader not a pizza place
@@Nanokk_ not just that. The entire video is like that. Not just your Gaul observation. You are right about a few things like the guardian should have been dead after that fall. Overall your criticism was weak. It’s a science fiction video game. How much can you say it doesn’t make any sense in science fiction game?
@@Nanokk_ he is not the 🛞 logo as well or the marshmallow man from Ghost Busters.
@@antgonz4436 no he definitely is, cope
@Ant Gonz okay but science fiction can still be grounded in reality, sure not everything makes sense but it never hurt anyone for something in a science fiction story to make sense. Titan is fairly realistic, I didn't mention it in my video but titan is full of liquid methane and ethane. Combined are denser than water, so the oceans move slower. Bungie themselves follow science when they want to but don't explain it because they would rather have it look cool. Hell people making the argument about the colour of IO don't even know that IO was supposed to be the dead forests of Mars but got a repaint to look more like IO. And the colour doesn't make sense because you can't have vegetation grow on top of pure sulfur like we see on IO. So it doesn't make sense. This mindset that you and many others have of "oh well its science fiction so nothing has to be realistic" is a ridiculous deconstruction of rules and giving a shit about the story you tell. It's when Bungie actively does something to contradict basic rules of science is where I draw the line. Space magic, fine, the traveler gave it to people. But a moon being immune to the pull of several moons and a fucking gas giant without adequate explanation makes zero sense. Unless the traveler somehow saved IO from being torn apart hidden away in the 300 some lore entries about IO I don't see how anyone could defend that one
I loved the critiques and analysis you did for the Red War and showing how Bungie missed so many chances to tell a better story or make a a greater campaign, but I felt like the IO section of the video was more of ranting than pointing out flaws in the story. Also, the Traveler is paracausal in nature, literally universe defying and ignoring the laws of reality stuff, (whether realistic or not ( I don't really care)), so IO not being realistic to real life IO seems a little silly. But the critique of IO being a boring destination is true, and the rest of the video was alright as well.
As true as many of your points are in this video, I feel like its unfair to complain so much about the colour of Io. I think you are the first person to ever compare what a destiny locale looks like in real life and be so pissed about it. The traveler is known for terraforming and scrutinising how Io's colour is the same despite it being a habitable place honestly just seems like clutching at straws. The design of destiny has been one of the few consistently excellent aspects of the game and its important to remember that its a fantasy game too.
Well there's a first for everything, but it was a greater point about how it was a huge missed opportunity when it came to the patrol space as a whole. I'm not saying it looks awful, definitely not my favorite area but I'd be lying if I said that parts of it don't look great. And while it may be fantasy, it's still science fiction. Wanting some things to make sense and grounded in reality shouldn't be a huge ask tbh...
You've got a lot of potential making videos, I feel like in time, you can make some truly great ones. I would just reccomend doing a little more research on the lore before critiquing the story, I know it's really poorly explained for the most part but KNOWING what's going and then critiquing how poorly explained it is would make your critique hold more weight, for example it's completely justified that you didn't know why ghaul looked like that. But I also have to assume that a lot of this video was made during the season of the plunder, which, outright says, not tucked away in a lore tab, but during a cutscene, that nezerac is a Disciple of the Witness and not a guardian. Also perhaps a greater understanding of the world would make your story suggestions a little better? Because while red war is bad, I can't say any of what you offered up as a replacement was better. Anyway, I would love to see you continue this series because in a game like Destiny with so many missed opportunities, Curse of Osiris is a BIGGG missed opportunity, anyway, keep on keeping on.
14:50 Lore wise, it's been months since you lost your light. Traveling from the Last City, to The Farm, took months. I do not think the game would have been enjoyable for people to do so many missions without the light, would just be practically a normal shooter game.
Ya know what would've been awesome and honestly pretty easy is for Bungie to tell us that it's been a few months and not just hide it away in the lore somewhere
I got to 31:17 and stopped. All you've done the whole video, despite saying "I love Destiny" at the start, was to diss the game. Like how poorly it's written and how Io isn't like the REAL Io (neither are any of the planets, nor weapons btw). So without a couple compliments thrown in there for SOMETHING in the game, it was like an hour long rant about how shitty the Red War was.
I rather enjoyed the Red War and yes I played D1 as well, so I have perspective on both. If you try to make too much sense out of fantasy games you'll never be happy with them. I thought I was going to subscribe to give you an even 100 but not on this video. Sorry. I hope that's somehow constructive criticism.
I mean kinda? Like I understand it's a fantasy game but theirs limits to how far it can go before it starts to get ridiculous. As mentioned in my video what could've been done is show that the traveler ISNT a God, like what they're doing now. Also I do love Destiny, the harshest critics are usually the most passionate. If you watched the rest of the video you would've realized I actually enjoyed the last 4 missions of the game. If there was something I liked, I said it, if there was something I didn't like, I said it. I'm sorry but saying "I was going to subscribe to get you to 100 but I don't like the video" makes you sound incredibly bitter
@@Nanokk_ Not bitter at all. But I've spent years with the franchise and there are criticisms enough to go around. I have my own. But half an hour of "this was really stupid" got old for me. Maybe some "this part was great" interspersed with the crap parts would've kept my interest. I was trying to give constructive criticism but didn't flesh it out very well.
@Chip Sawdust saying "I was gonna subscribe, but I won't" is pretty bitter. If I had something good to say I would mention it. And I did. I talked about how good nessus was, how good titan was, how foreboding the intro was. If there was something good, I said it. Telling me you didn't like how critical I was isn't constructive criticism
This, hands down, is the worst PoS evaluation of a game I've ever watched.
Believe me, I'm very critical of bungie and destiny too, but it's obvious you honestly have never gotten into the game and it's lore/story at all.
The Red War campaign by far is one (if not THE best) campaigns they've done. Yes, it's much better when you get into the lore (the story not told every minute/second of the gameplay) but it's continuity is better than EVERY other campaign, to date. Forsaken was another great campaign, but with there being such a huge power climb initially, you couldn't really enjoy the campaign until you did 5-6 hrs of grinding (leveling up) before hand.
Witch Queen was horrible, not only for its horrible gameplay, or constant time wasted traveling to and from planets and/or traversing the same areas over and over to start up a mission. But the new narrative team (former Square Enix) doesn't care to know or understand past stories and lore before they put garbage in that leaves so many new plot holes in the Destiny story as a whole, it's pathetic.
Either this is a troll or the dumbest comment I have ever received. Either way funny read
@@Nanokk_ no troll, you're take on this is horrible
@Da ANSW3R well damn I'm sorry you didn't enjoy it. But unfortunately I'm not going to praise a story that doesn't deserve it. Multiple people have brought up lore excuses that either don't actually exist or are written as band-aids a year later. So unless you wanna debate about it (I don't, it's boxing day, spend time with your family) then it'll just have to be left at a agree to disagree type scenario
This video has CRAZY pvp main player vibes
Bro I'm awful at pvp
I would love to replay the red war.
u forgot there is a guardian camp with audio logs of guardians getting killed after losing their light
Writing this hardly 20 minutes in, I got into Destiny during the Rise of Iron DLC of D1 and ended up falling for the game. I've played D2 on and off since release and honestly this vid is funny as hell to me and so so accurate to what was going on in the game. I absolutely love the vid so far and I'm so glad for the algorithm for once
like i wont lie, I really enjoyed the campagin as it was even with all of its flaws, but as I know now, there was a lot that could've made it better. The bottom line for me is that I would rather the new lights and playerbase as a whole to be able to experience the Red war without improvement than to not at all. The new light experience now compared to the Red War is lacking in many aspects
your part segment about Io is hilarious to me and also extremely accurate in the same regard
okay ngl, when you got to the end of the vid, when you got to the end of the vid and mentioned the title Battlefield 1, my jaw dropped
I really loved the red war it’s an underrated campaign
Great video! I really hope to see this series be continued as I am very interested with your thoughts on forsaken.
The opening portion where you critique the reasoning for why the cabal made through without any trouble. Apparently the Nine cloaked them for some reason so they could make it through
bro u gave gaul more names than the traveler
1. Nezarec wasn’t a guardian. I don’t know why you showed him that way.
2. The “Bravery Inspires Sacrifice” and so on monologue refers to what makes original beings worthy of the Light before they are resurrected. You completely missed the point of it. And it’s actually been shown to be somewhat true with several characters that have been resurrected by the Light.
(Did you really use “retard” as an actual insult 😑)
3. I personally think that the mission where the Guardian escapes the City, fragile and Lightless, is one of the greatest in Destiny history. There’s definitely a lot more that could have been done with the “You’ve lost your light” premise, but the environment, the dialogue, the dead guardians in the encampment, the phenomenal music, they elevate the mission so much. There’s actually a radio message if you listen closely about the Red Legion gathering survivors and slaughtering them, saying “they took our Light! They’re… killing us!”
5. Asher Mir is a great character if you actually dig deeper. The reason he’s so prickly is that his ghost and his right arm were corrupted and converted by Vex mind fluid. This not only stripped him of his immortality and seemingly robbed his ghost of all ability to speak or think, but it also stuck him with essentially an incurable disease that would turn him into a mindless vex drone. As a result he not only is terrified of his inevitable fate, but is also desperately obsessed with the Vex, in the hopes of finding a cure. He even contemplated shooting his ghost, to put her out of her misery, but says he’s too much of a coward to do it. In the season before Beyond Light he even enters the Pyramidion, the giant vex structure he was afflicted in, and brings it down on top of himself to prevent the Darkness to take its secrets. In my opinion, you can’t fully judge a character unless you understand them from all angles.
He gets more characterization in the Adventures on Io, idle dialogue, lore entries, and the “Dynasty” world quest. His appearance in the campaign is basically a cameo.
I’ll have more thoughts once I finish the video. I appreciate this long critique, but it feels overly negative to me.
EDIT: So, I agree with a lot of the points. I wasn’t totally aware of the number of legitimate flaws you pointed out. That being said, I think that the Red War offers what the original Destiny campaign didn’t, which is to give a cohesive introduction to the world and a narrative that sticks all the way through instead of just being aimless hopping from planet to planet and then taking out a spinning burnt marshmallow in the black garden as the final antagonist. It also has consequences, the other two expansions partially dealt with the fallout of the Red War, and elements of that conflict are still coming up in the story in modern Destiny 2. Compare that to the expansions in the original Destiny, which were almost completely separate storylines save for the Dark Below and the Taken King, and had few consequences after all was said and done. That’s the main reason I would want to bring the Red War back, to give an actual introduction to many of the enemies, allies, and locations in the game instead of the half-assed “New Light” experience. New players have little context for the Red War, Cayde-6, Ghaul, Caiatl, Calus, etc, when they are brought up. Maybe it’s just from my tendency to look at things in a positive light, but I enjoyed the Red War and I personally think this video was really overwhelmingly negative in way that turned me off.
Clearly you put a lot of effort into it though, and I find myself agreeing with a large portion of what you said.
1. I've addressed nezarec already.
2. I agree that it was built upon later and it's better for it, but at that time it was kinda vapid.
(Also yes I use retard as an insult, I don't see the issue)
3. That's cool you enjoyed it, but there are SO MANY better moments in Destiny than leaving the city. It was a perfect example of Bungie having an amazing concept in the palm of their hands and doing nothing with it.
4. Personally I don't really care for the lore of Asher Mir. He's fucking annoying and Bungie should've explained that stuff in the campaign because based on the campaign alone he was just another vendor.
I'm interested to see what else you have to say about the video. And yes the video is very negative...
Because the red war was awful
Something I wanted to add here as well, you mention how the red war did what the OG campaign for D1 couldn't. Which was just be a competent story. I'm happy with where we are in Destiny's story right now but I just find it so funny that people are giving the red war props for what destiny should've already provided.
Interesting that you bring up destiny 1 though. Maybe there will be a video on it next year👀
It’s actually a really good video, great job
Red War was a great campaign. If you researched the lore a bit, it does make more sense. Also you can look at the lore in game now, so no excuses to not to really. Also Ghaul wore the pretty armor because he wanted to meet the traveler looking good. But even then, I think a guy that has conquered many places kind of has the right to put on a new set on armor, no?
Facts, like, I conquered and shed blood for decades, lemme look fresh for the traveler for once lol
Can you point me to anywhere official that says that ghaul got his armor to look fresh for the traveler?
for a "full analysis" you continue to be negative on story beats that are explained thoroughly later on. we even know more now with how much time has passed. "IO is supposed to have volcanos" yet the traveler is a literal god that can change and improve whatever it touches. its like saying "rhulk cracked a sun with a glaive but i cant one shot a raid boss with a glaive" idk bro great video; bad critiques
I'm gonna expand on this in my next video, but anything created past the release of that campaign is not fair game. We shouldn't need content created later to make it better. That would be called a retrospective. While my videos will end with a retrospective they're not what the video is about. Also the IO argument will be build upon in my next video as well
I also forgot to mention thank you for the comment, the IO point is something you reminded me to add to my script
TLDR: nitpick nitpick nitpick nitpick nitpick nitpick nitpick
there ya go i saved u an hour
TLDR: He's omega mad
hello, i´m subscriber nr. 100. i would be interested in a forsaken rant/conclusion video :)
The “best pilot we got” line is a joke my dude
It had me rolling on the floor laughing! couldn't you tell?
@@Nanokk_ not me a year later realizing i've watched this before and finding out I was glazing bungie hardcore. Nah I agree with you now that line was ass.
Thank you for putting in the time to make a nearly hour long video, take your time making your next 💜
You asked what Louis was the pilot of. Im almost fairly certain that he is clearly the pilot of the Millenium Fal.......I'll see myself out sorry 😂
the red war should’ve and destiny as whole should’ve start using the word light bearer for people who have the ability to use the light instead of using guardians for all people who can use the light a long time ago. and also you would call anyone who has the ability to use light and dark abilities who also happens to not align with the city and vanguard values a rouge light bearer example all the dregens some of calus’s shadows. also the game at the time didn’t tell us this at the time but the power of light and dark aren’t necessarily good and evil. for example the ability to use stasis and the new subclass strand are powers that come from the dark while arc,solar and void are power which are gifted from the light. this is why the lucent brood is able to use light powers.
Oh boy after hearting this guys criticism on the storytelling not explaining everything, he gon shit himself when he hears about elden ring
I mean I'm fine with not understanding everything, it may come as a surprise but I enjoy elden ring and the storytelling. But when it's something as important as how the red legion invaded the last city without the vanguard knowing is something that's kinda important and SHOULD be explained
@@Nanokk_ I mean when I herd them say that I just assumed the satellites were just taken out by the red legion by some stealth missiles or something I didn’t really think it would’ve been anything more
@SyphonEXP no dude they actually explained it, a year later in a lore book...
It was a fucking band-aid excuse to explain a huge plot point even THEY didn't think about!
This was a good watch. While you could definitely be harsh at times, you echoed the way I felt back when I played through the initial campaign. Your story and character criticisms were on point.
Of course, my opinion on The Red War has definitely softened with time, especially since as you pointed out, Bungie threw it in the trash where it's likely to stay. In some ways it feels like this video is 5 years too late, but it's a blast to the past - not just in the retrospective of the campaign itself, but in holding up a mirror to a lot of my feels from a half decade ago.
Good luck in college! While I'd like to see more content from you and you are clearly skilled at it, keep your priorities straight.
Hey man I really appreciate that.
I've actually still have my first draft of my script about the game from all the way back at around the release of shadowkeep, the reason I didn't release the video sooner was because I didn't think the script was good enough and neither was my patience to edit a video this long. (Also my editing at that time was AWFUL)
huh... I wasn't sure why I was recommended your channel... turns out I've seen this video before and I disliked it. Well time to watch it again and see if that held up.
EDIT: Alright, I guess I just didn't agree with you criticizing the red war since I liked it so much. I do agree with you now though, after the shit shows of Dark Below, CoO, and ShadowKeep yeah Bungie has got to get their shit together! It's all too often that we end up having to suffer for months because of a lackluster expansion. Thanks for saying what I could not.
while u did have a lot of good and funny points through the video, it was getting frustrating hearing you nitpick literally EVERY SINGLE plot point, character design, and story decision (even when u were straight up wrong) that the video just got boring. If u just cut out the parts where ur the one being stupid, the video would be really, really good.
The point of the video is to go into detail, I can see where it can be boring for some. But it is it illustrating the point that a lot of the issues I repeat keep popping up. Also nitpicking is important, if small things make the overall product better than small mistakes can make the overall product worse. On the point of being straight up wrong I don't think that holds ground, but if you could specify the parts that are wrong that would be incredibly helpful. I really appreciate the feedback and I'm looking forward to your reply!
@@Nanokk_ nitpicking is not something good. When you complain about unnecessary stuff it makes us question your review ability
@cjallenroxs when you play a game, and find a feature that makes the game just a tiny bit better is that not worth mentioning? Maybe there's a small nod to a previous game like the MIDA multitool calling back to marathon, is that not worth talking about or even mentioning? If small good things can make something even better, small issues can make something even worse. If you don't like the nitpicking that's fine, but to say it's bad to nitpick is kinda ridiculous
@@Nanokk_ when u complained that hawthorn never explained why the EDZ is bad and why you shouldn’t go to the shard of the traveler, u were just wrong because it’s infested with fallen and she doesn’t believe the shard would help. u also said that the comm relay you help set up for hawthorn is stupid because they should just tell guardians to go to the shard of the traveler. the guardians have to have a place to regroup (the farm) before ever venturing out. the guardians are just normal people now and can’t just go from nothing to clearing out the fallen who guard the shard. the player also needed to regroup at the farm, get weapons and gear before we went after the shard. we didn’t literally exterminate every last fallen in the whole dark forest, the EDZ is still under fallen control.
I agree that the campaign has a lot of issues, but not every single plot point is stupid and doesn’t make sense.
@Sum1wholuvsmen I'm pretty sure that if our character can clear out a ton of fallen and get our light back after touching the traveler a team could absolutely go and clear shit out and help Hawthorne. You might have a few casualties but that isn't something uncommon at that moment in the game. It's a sacrifice worth making but isn't, it makes Hawthorne look incompetent
I think along with the cabal killing guardians they could’ve shown the ghosts fleeing and then we could see them in hidden places cowering and after you complete the story they disappear from their spots showing that they went off to revive another person “worthy” of the light. That would also help play into the story without saying anything and showing how fragile every guardian not connected to the light are.
the reason io looks so boring is because it was originally planned to be mars. But since they already had mars for the warmind dlc they decided to simply change the colors and call it io.
I think there’s also a d1 crucible map that took place in the pyramidion but in mars.
Really love your criticism, but I don't know what it's worse the story or your hunter gameplay at the end 😭😂
I can definitely see a lot of IHE inspiration for some of the gags and points you made, was that intentional? Great video regardless
It wasn't intentional, but it probably unintentionally bled over into the script, this was my first time attempting something of this magnitude, and the script had been written months before the release of the video
Tis epic brother.
please cover all the dlc's i loved this video so much looking back at the old shit was so fun and your commentary was funny as hell
I believe why Red War wasn’t the normal Bungie Writing was due to Activisions Involvement. Those guys are greedy and probably had a hand on the story. I’m not fully defending Bungie but we can’t forget about Activision being buddies with Bungie at the moment.
51:07 is rough to listen to , watching this 2 days before the final shape hoping that is good after how bad lightfall was.
uhmm helooo, Im not tooo good at writing but i just wana say thank you very much for this super good video!! I never realy got to play the red waras lots and from the revew it didnt llooks very good but I love playing destiny so so so much and its my faverite game because of all the story teling and the worlds and stuff in it, and in games i usualy dont like shooting gun but destiny shootiung feels differnt and alot more fun, and it sucks that before there was no special ammo and only primary and stuff, the guns wernt too great and the story was blander asnd nothing to do at all!!! ummm so now i wana say your review was super super good and i cant wait for your another one to come out pweese soon thank you for reeding if youd did
Once you beaten the main campaign the farm becomes redundant apart from one exotic quest and later an secret mission that takes you back to the old tower other than that the farm is useless and was both overhyped and underwhelming bungie lied about the farms growth over time to pull an bait and switch on the player’s to end up in an new area along the towers wall.
I’m not saying that this campaign is good by any means because it isn’t , but half of the shit in this video is the epitome of destiny players complaining about everything, but I still enjoyed it excited for next installment
really great video detailing the flaws of red war (didn't talk about some bugs but thats fine) and how they can improve on it but this would've been an amazing video if it was released all the way back in the time of red war as they have tried fixed most of the inconsistencies in the game's storytelling (still work to be done but much better than red war), overall the flaws pointed out were the major issues with the game and now its getting better enjoyed the ramble of the flaws and wish for u to continue more ;)
i played the red war 3 times bc i was hardcore end game raider in d2 vanila, holy fuck it was so long so boring and so bad. people can say what they want about sunseting but the red war can rot in the dcv untill the ends of time
Im sorry but no, Cayde banter is literally peak bungie writing
I mean jokes are based on taste I mean I. Destiny 1 I cayde’s comedy wasn’t really that much better and the character tragic attempt at comedy was intentional so idk what to tell
My homie Nanokk made it out of the trenches ✊✊✊
gonna have to dislike for the failsafe hate...
even if they got a point.
I am getting really tired of people always saying oh I guess I’m gonna have to fork over more money to get this or that like yeah of course you’re gonna have to pay money to get a fucking product, like damn do people expect everything to be free nowadays. And destiny doesn’t even cost that much per year, for all the complaints that it gets, it is extremely reasonable
Bro no one is complaining about having to pay for stuff in Destiny. Also Destiny costs SO MUCH every single year! If you don't wanna miss out on any of the content it's like $125 A YEAR!!! That's damn obsurd, as a standalone it's worse! 60 for the DLC, 10 for each season, 20 for the dungeon pass, and 10 for the event cards.
You literally picked the worst hill to die on when it comes to Destiny
@@Nanokk_ witch queen deluxe edition was 80 bucks for literally all the content in the year and lightfall is 100 bucks for everything so why did u just lie???
@@Nanokk_ $6.66 a month for the witch queen year and $8.33 a month for lightfall year…. If u can’t afford that then u need to quit gaming and get a job
@Jason bro convert prices in different countries dude relax. Not everyone lives in America stop trying to hard to get me on something it's so cringe
The $125 for witch queen was the deluxe plus 30th anniversary. Lightfall deluxe is also $125
the should defo relase ghauls armour as ornaments or just seasonal armour or something
17:30. Manny the Mammoth was a challenge to do in The Ice Age animated movie. Because they had to rely mostly on his eyes/brow for expressions. But they did a good job of showing people how to do it. Guess what Karen, Bungie did a good job of Ghaul with his expressions as well, as limited as they were.
Except ice age is a goated movie
not to mention he needs the mask. The cabal cannot breathe our air. They probably shouldve even given him a full helmet to help with the pressurisation. The reason cabal heads explode into weird liquid is just that, they need pressurised suits to survive our atmosphere. But obviously making ghaul wear full headgear would make it hard to see him as a living being from a story perspective, so they did what they could
@@embyveddii Yeah, they have done a pretty good job with Caital though so they seem to have improved on that front. But I feel bad for the animators since they had nothing to work with lol
I love long form vids like this as they’re really nice to listen to while I play games
Asher mir sounds just like you Lmreo 😂😂😂
the biggest step backwards in the franchise
I know the writing for The Red War is bad, but I have major nostalgia for it anyway. I think it did a better job introducing me to the Destiny universe FAR BETTER than 2014 Vanilla ever could, and it feels natural since I was (and still am) a solo campaign player, it felt immersive to play alone, then canonically after The Last City is retaken and Strikes and Raids were made available, making the socializing in end-game feel like it was a part of the story, but maybe 18-year-old me was overthinking it.
Regardless, I payed money for it all back then, if Bungie thinks it threatens the live game, I think they should reconsider making the campaigns all optionally offline (seeing we the players have been paying premium on them, even though I only owned D2 Red War, Forsaken, and now Witch Queen since they don’t plan on deleting that third one)
Honestly its dope that you can accept that the writing sucked but still enjoy it. Its surprising how few people can do that. I've also been a long time Destiny player, I've been playing since the Taken King and I've also purchased every single Destiny 2 dlc (including the ones that have been removed) so I also have a little bit of nostalgia but thats mainly due to screwing around in raids and making fun of the campaigns
How are you going to complain about Io being the same color as it is irl, but then you praise Bungie for doing the same exact thing with Nessus?
And how are you going to complain about the horrible dialogue and comedy in the script when you're "comedy" is shit youaje about 15 different ghaul jokes and all of them fall flat and your script for the video is horrible simply for the fact that you keep bringing up the same bad points over and over again, saying it in the same exact way each time instead of doing the bare minimum and at least saying it in a semi-unique way each time
You clearly didn't understand my point about IO, go back and watch it and actually listen to my points.
I bring up the same bad points over and over because they keep coming up over and over. If it's annoying then you can understand the frustration of constantly having to experience it in game.
For someone who's willing to talk so much shit you really don't understand the video all that much do you?
This seems very bit for bit of IHE's I hate Everything About Destiny 2
It's similar, since we hit sons similar points, but he almost seemed like he didn't want to make the video. He had a defeatist attitude towards the whole thing instead of giving the game a fair shot.
The traveler itself cause no affect to earths gravity and yes the traveler terraforms planets and I don’t think it has limits as it quite literally gave a tiny little AI robot the ability to bring dead people to life and be able to hold the power of the sun in your hands, the raw power of lighting, and the infinite void of a black hole. So yes IO doesn’t look like it’s real life counter part like ik this is a retrospective but by Far read war of d2 was great if cures of Osiris and warmind had actual been good others would agree
Okay let me clarify, it isn't consistent with Destiny itself. Destiny has fantasy stuff and science breaking stuff but nothing like saving an entire moon, like I don't know if you understand how much would have to fundamentally change about io for it not to become a hell planet instantly all over again. The liquid methane oceans of titan are consistent, the dunes of Mars are consistent, so why isn't io? The answer is because it isn't
28:40 The traveler can LITERALLY save planets from the laws of gravity tho. We see it make planets orbiting black holes in the books of sorrow.
I don't use lore! That's outside knowledge
Wasnt that questioned answered with stasis and strand
Great stuff you’ve done but a lot of the comments sound so familiar to IHE (I hate everything) who did the same about 5-7 years before you did
Yeah it wasn't intentional, but some of the comments he made probably made their way into the video without thinking about it
really love your sense of humor
Maybe I should get back into destiny
Honestly, unless you're willing to drop money on it, like at least buy the season pass don't even bother. Not worth it right now tbh
the nine hid the ships to help them steal the light, this is pretty well known i thought lol
This Video gets Things right from a Gameplay Perspective Like Not enough Things were used but if you go from a lore Perspective everything Changes Like nezerac Not being a Guardian but a disciple of the witness and why the satellites we're down and i could go on but that would be too Long to read so i give you Credit for having a good gameplay and Location Vision but you May If you didnt have expend your wisdom in the Lore.
The satellites going down was added in jokers wild, if it's added after the campaign I call that off since it's more of a band-aid excuse than expanding your knowledge on the story. The nezarec thing is totally fair tho
"lightfall is only a few months away and i could not be more excited to play the story for it" Daaaamn feels bad
Yeah dude this hurt me
Good video but you are missing so many points...Read the lore for information, one of the Nine silenced the satellites to see what would happen. As for the scouts not saying anything, there was a celebration in the last city before the invasion. Ghaul's armor is pristine because he changed it after fighting the Fulminator, but you can see the scars left on his face. You saw the dream with the Traveler and the hawk....
The Nine thing and the satellites thing doesn't work, that lore entry was made in the season of the drifter, personally anything that "fixes" issues with the campaigns released after the campaign isn't considered. I'll address it more in my next video. Could you point me to the spesific lore entry about ghaul taking the Fulminator's armor? I've been trying to track down a solid statement that talks about the origin of his armor and I can't find it
If you need help hit me up, I specialize in graphic design and could help you increase the quality, as I really like this to be a series and liked the material
Ghaul is supposed to be a saviour of the cabal he led a coup against calus with caital. That’s why his armour is white and he wears that because he was once a gladiator who proved himself in the arenas on torobatl. So now he dresses himself in this way to show his rise to power. It’s amusing how little you know about the lore and think that justifies your terrible “complaints” 6:15 . And I don’t see how his dialogue is terrible. Cos he’s right even us as players we began to find content too easy cos we had all our light powers. And as guardians we don’t use our power for conquest as a battle hardened cabal would
Yo genuine question. I've asked this to a ton of people with no actual answer so maybe you can give me one. What lore book specifically does it state why Ghaul’s armor looks like the way it does? Because I looked before and after my video with no solid answer but like 5 different claims of why his armor looks like that...
i commend the time it probably took to put this vid together, but i cant say i like it, full of incorrect information, i can admit when the game has bad stuff but this feels like hating on tiny things like how a planet looks compared to real life. also the lore youre saying isnt right you really should have done more research
Okay, now can you give me specific points where I got the lore wrong. Because Bungie has shown with their own game that they're more than willing to follow how the planets work in real life pretty accurately, which makes Bungies level design inconsistent. But when it comes to the lore I need you to give me actual examples because just telling me I got stuff wrong doesn't help.
EDIT:
Also calling the planets inconsistant isnt a huge point, but it doesn't have to be. If I wanna bring something up I will, I personally don't really care much for people telling me what I should or should not care about (not saying you specifically do but many people who respond like this have that mentality). I really hope you can bring me some hard hitting criticisms instead of nothing points because I wanna improve my stuff. So hit me hard! I'll respond accordingly!
If you don't like fiction just say that lol
I can't believe Saul Goodman is critiquing destiny 2
(Compliment)
I am saul Goodman from hit show
Better call the saul
quick question was this video inspired by i hate everythings video on destiny 2? because this reminds me of that video.
I was inspired by his video partially, although I felt his video was kinda half assed and I thought I could make a better critique on the campaign
@@Nanokk_ ya I guess in a way it was pretty half assed, and also I just want to mention that I like your ideas of io halving environmental hazards I think that's a pretty cool idea that should be implemented in all of our destinations not just Europa from beyond light. You earn a sub from me, keep up the good work 👍
fuck i miss titan it was awesome
Was this inspired by IHE? This really reminds me of his video on the red war
Yeah a bit, he made good points but the video overall was half-assed since he said in his video he didn't like it after one mission on titan. He also doesn't look into the lore which I think is dumb since it's such an important part of the games story at this point
48:15 the chad himself
In my opinion, the Red war was the best campaign.
Can you elaborate? I'm actually interested because (as you can tell) I think the campaign is terrible
for the assault on tower criticism .. did you maybe consider that they used jamming tech so that guardians couldn't contact? did you forget that they were in the clouds did you also forget we some reason or another have no fleets? 🤨
Youre telling me at no point a guardian or someone on the ground wouldn't have seen this giant fleet at any time at anywhere in the system. Not only that but if this jamming tech supposedly existed, although that's not even the reason they gave which is a reason Bungie added in a lore book a year after release btw. You're telling me nobody noticed the jammed comms right before the attack? It doesn't make any sense. There are too many variables that arent accounted for. It simply doesn't work
@@Nanokk_ eh true but also the guardians seem to be useless in game at least like I barely ever see them do anything 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I started playing Destiny in Season 17 when Halo finally shat the bed. I never got to play the Red War and you're the first person to give an objective view of the campaign. Most people view it through rose tinted glasses and say it was great. You bring up some really good points. It's not horrible, but it could've been much better
Ghaullin but at what cost