BUDGET modeler Shootout! Mooer, Valeton, ZOOM, and NU-X!!
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Are you into metal and on a budget? Well in this shootout I'm taking the $80 - $150ish modelers and putting them head to head in a metal mix with both stock and 3rd party cab IR's. We'll be comparing a NU-X MG-300, a MOOER GE150, the Valeton GP-100 and the ZOOM G1 FOUR.
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Thanks for the love guys! Let me know which one you prefer! Did I miss one? 👇👇🤘🤘
Great video is ToneLib used to get the zoom g1 Four custom IR's on to the unit ? I cant see another way to do it.
Not sure, I added them in post.
can you compare them to ampero one?
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Did you notice the delay in the change of sound when changing patch in the MOOER GE150? It is something that bothers me from some reviews I saw on YT
that zoom stole the show ,stock IR wise .
They've had amazing cab sims since the G1ON days. It's a shame the entry-level models in the new line don't allow you to load custom IR's. I would buy ZOOM units all the time if they had that.
@@karrazaki89 An IR loader and the proper IR will get you into the ballpark you're seeking.
@@kiillabytez yeah but you don't have an effects loop on the zoom so you can't get stereo post effects after the cab section if you use an external IR Loader
Ive had the zoom G1x Four (exact same as the G1 Four but with an expression pedal, hence the x, incase you didnt know) for about 2 months now and it is INCREDIBLE, ive sworn by this thing since i bought it, you can get some incredible tones and weird sounds out of it
Yes! Best black friday thing I've ever done :D
1st Zoom
2nd Mooer
3rd Nux
4th Valenton
I could use any of them as a handy tabletop processor with headphones. All very reasonably priced. Zoom sounds better than I thought it would but I like the "little" color screen on the MG300, likewise the metal enclosure of the Valeton is nice. Each has its own tonal identity in the demo tune. No losers here IMO.
Dude the extra videos on this one are so spot on lol! \m/
Thank you, now I’ve made up my mind. Very great comparison, as clear and simple as it should be.
Zoom has PC software, too, and ToneLib has a 3rd party patch editor/patch backup utility. The lower end Zoom units can also be firmware hacked with FX from other lower end Zoom pedals.
I was heavily leaning towards getting the gp-100! After watching this video I will be going to my local guitar shop and getting myself a ZOOM gx-1 four! The sound between highs and lows seem to be better?!? What's your thoughts?
Zoom sounded pretty good in stock form
your video clip game is really on point! i laughed hysterically at the random cutaway bits!
I've been working on it! I mean, I assume people want to be entertained when they watch videos lol. 🙌
Agreed
With the custom IR, they are all in the same ballpark. I was actually most impressed by the Zoom though I think (that's not something I ever expected to say). On a different note, did you catch the Behemoth livestream last week? So good!
No , I didn't unfortunately! I thought that I would be able to watch a replay, but they only had it up for 72 hours or something 😪
ZOOM has been around since Judas Priest released Screaming For Vengeance, so I'm pretty sure they've been around the longest, and therefore know more about effects pedals that all the others in this shootout combined.
I barely paid attention to the comparison, I just jammed out to your playing 😂
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wish you would've done cleans (like fender/vox) and some crunch (marshall/vox) also
Amazing what you can get these days for the price of a single mid to high end pedal! 5K subs just around the corner!!
Back in my day, you could buy an incredible pedal like the MXR Distortion +, an EHx Big Muff or Pro Co RAT, for about $50-65 and you absolutely adored your purchase. Today, $65 will get you a pedal that you were merely content with. With that said, at $85, the G1 Four is an absolute steal and I promise, you will adore it as well.
I just bought the Valeton looks sick and sounds amazing and is all Black metal and has the most Metal sounding name. Can’t beat the price either.
Wicked riffs and awesome demo.🤘🏻🎸🎶💀 cheers!
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'the most metal sounding name' ..........That's the same as people voting for Justin Trudeau because he 'has nice hair'. In the end it proves to not be such a good method of choosing quality.
@@minkorrh when you aim to get a pedal for black metal, who really cares about the actual quality ??
Ah damn, now I almost regret ordering my Mooer GE200...after that I am interested in hearing how the others Zoom multi effect units sound...thanks for the video and congrats on the sponsor. Just don't forget about us peasants when the big names get in touch with you.
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G1 Four has so much variety that you'd be hard pressed to find something you CAN'T use, except maybe the bomb sound, but I'm sure SOMEONE will even find a use for that too.
Best shootouts on TH-cam for the modern metalhead.
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Damn homie you've came a long way in subscribers! Congrats my guy. Fucking dope song too
🥳 thanks dude! 🤘
zoom is perfect in the mix
I got the little zoom unit just for tuner and looper but to be honest last 3 good recordings have come from that little zoom unit
Yeah, it's got a quality tuner and looper, and for $85, it's a steal just for that. Add to it the ton of other features and the G1 Four wins hands down.
In my oppinion, tha Zoom sonds the best with the stock IR and the Nux with the custom IR.
Does all have pressure switches in the exp pedal?
Exactly how I scored it.
Wow, that Zoom really out performs it's price! I liked it best with the stock IR's. Got it's ass kicked in the custom IR round though... Still, really good for that price!
For under $100, Zoom G1X Four on stock IR.
The Custom IR's on the others were better Nux / GP-100.
About custom IRs. Finding the right one is a chore.
I've always sworn by the Rosen Digital stuff. Not a bad IR among them.
the zoom sounds like it has two IR's running in second part of the video.. It's more noticeable with headphones.. I prefer the mooer a tiny bit..
Zoom no doubt. Your playing is beautiful and powerful. New subscriber. Thanks.
I love this review so much,nice riff bro
Great work! Congrats!! Do you think that the MG300 sound is more like organic or more like plastic and artificial?
I think it sounds great, but I think most of these units sound great now 🤷♂️
Great video, Taylor! I thought I wanted a Mooer, but now I haven no idea.
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I had a a zoom g1xfour and sold it when I got a mooer ge100. Everyone asks me what im using to get my sounds. I run it thru the effects loop return on my amps and it really shines. Plus mooer ge100 has 180 second looper!
@@mrredritehand can you combine it with analog pedals?
@@enzocarranza I don't think so. I tried a ts clone in front and it would not work at all. I think I tried it between the output and the amp too, nothing. So I don't think you can, unless you run it through effects loop as you would an effect. Then you could run pedals in the front of your amp. Know what I'm saying?
@@mrredritehand no, i really didnt get that last part
I need to find another video that will show clean and ambient sound of this. Idk why almost all guitarist in youtube need to play dirty tones all the time, as if everything you play in your gig is distortion
Simple but killer question for me :
Which one has to loudest headphones output level ?
I need this to be very loud for tuning guitars on a HD25 over my in-ears before sending them on-stage.
If you have one for comparison, the POD x3 is crancked almost all the way up ...
Hi, wich one you've choosed? I'm curious
Would you say doing this comparison video changed your mind on the Zoom? I remember you saying you didn't really like it at first.
No, BUT I think a lot of people's perception of how I feel about the ZOOM is skewed because of the way I edited and presented the video. Things were not going my way that day, and I thought people would laugh at my pain, but it came off as me being shitty towards the zoom. I think the zoom is pretty decent for what it is. My main gripe is it's made for beginners, but isnt user friendly. Other than that I think it's fine. Not something I'd ever use, but if anyone else likes it, more power to em! 💪
The Mooer by far has the best sound with custom IRs loaded in. Best overall tone and hardware for sure
Uhh no it sounds too thin I mean the chug was super thin and it sounds like the mids are on tilt no offense but not sure what you think good guitar sound and tone is but that's not it
It's the IR. The very end with the custom IR is the proof in the pudding. I'd go with the Mooer also. @@Warpathjak
@@Warpathjak dont u know u can create ne patch from flat on mooer?
Any of those that would make it for basic bass playing besides the fancy guitar effects?
The Zoom pedal had a much richer tone, almost like it came off of a studio recording.
Oh not at all...
@@TheSideProject how about you? Which one?
NU-X is incredible for the price !
For someone who needs something with a good metal tone but cant use an amp necessarily and something that can be used for a silent jam which would you recommend? Just need something to from guitar to a mixer and into headphones.
Mooer ge150 has 55 pre amp models.
It’s a total anti climax when you get to the end of the video and then you don’t offer your opinion Taylor. Is it because you are getting funding from each of the manufacturers or something? Given that you are experiencing the pedal first hand and some of us at least just listening to it through small speakers. It would be really helpful to know your opinion on the subject.. after all you know what you were trying to achieve in setting up a sound on each unit. Which unit achieved the sounds That were best for you. I really appreciate how on Leo Gibson’s channel - he very diplomatically gives his opinion without shit canning any particular piece of gear.
The Zoom G1 Four really isn't that hard to understand. 10-minutes with the quick start guide and you're up and running like a pro. People just want instant gratification anymore.
@Richard Moore It sounds like you know "absolute shit for Metal." You know shit about tuning amps and pedals if you think it's "absolute shit for Metal."
Let me guess, you own a MG300.
@Richard Moore Congratulations
@@kiillabytez what did he say?
what do you think, g1xfour or mg300, i need ur opinion.
@@mudfightmaster4275 Don't remember. Something about not being able to get a decent tone from the pedal and just talking smack about Zoom. Apparently I embarrassed him so bad, he deleted his comments.
how do you load the custom IR to the G1 Four?
Ha! Actually liked the Zoom w the custom IR best. So much 1k in the other units. Also grats on the sponsor bruh!
Thanks Chris!
which one has the best Whammy effect ?
The NUX and Valeton sounded pretty slick with Custom IRs.
Seems you can make them all sound pretty convincing. Or is that just Taylor?
Cheers man!
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Not a bad sounding unit in the bunch! They all sound pretty badass. The zoom suffers a bit with the custom IR, in my opinion, but still, even that said, it doesn't sound bad
Yeah, surprising for $80 whatever dollars! They just need to fix the UI 😂
Depends on the IR in reality. Sometimes we're used to a certain sound and expect that sound and are disappointed when we don't achieve that sound. I am a little biased as I own the Zoom, but even if I didn't, the Zoom just packs too much for the price. If you can't get a great tone from it, you're either not trying or just don't know what you're actually trying to achieve with it.
That intro hit me on personal level.
Which one of these can be used as an input for pro tools or logic?
Nux and Mooer sounds close with that custom IR.
But Id go with nux just because of that pc software.
how did you put custom IR to zoom?
Mooer ge150 for the win with custom IRs
It seems the more expensive they get the less clarity you get from them.
When you say custom IR, does that mean one that you bought and uploaded to the unit?
Goes to show that just like cabs in a live setting, the IR makes ALL the difference. With stock, I liked the mooer and nux. It was neck and neck (for me) with the custom IR
Yep 100%
Isn't it pronounced 'New-X'?
Overall, I thought the Zoom sounded best here. Was a little woofy/thumpy on the low end. Perhaps a high pass filter would fix that? The Mooer came in a close second.
Happy to see your channel growing so quickly Taylor aka. Meme boy.
Great video!!
Is it possible for all of them to be recorded with no sound card, direct with their own USB connection?
If so, do I still need a sound card for better results or that's just enough?
Tks man !!
Yep. I dont know how much, if at all, better the results would be...bi just record straight into an interface out of convenience
The zoom g1four can't be used as an interface , I don't know about the rest of the pedals.
@@TaylorDanley Next video idea, for the way some of them can be used is to compare the USB out sound vs the analog sound out into an interface.
After A LONG trial and error and even though I find that with better sound cards you can have around the same (but not exactly) results, the USB interface is always far more useable, less congested and with better bass response, even if it is just 16/48 or 24/44,1 or 24/48.
It gets a bit weirder on the treble response, sometimes is one or the other. You don't have to shootout between all of them, just one that can be used both ways. There is a catch though.
In order to properly get the results you want to hear, mixed, you should use something like asio4all, use the USB audio driver as input (modeller), have stereo recording enabled on the DAW but use the sound card you usually mix with as output. I can tell you from now that it works, it allows you to hear/adjust the modeller as you want it to hear (because if you use it as the "complete" sound card it will sound a lot different than your normal soundcard: think headphones, you will be mixing on the headphones of the modeller (!) that way and then listening through the headphones of the sound card afterwards, it will be very different.
So the real way to do it is use the asio USB from the modeller as input and the asio of the sound card you normally use as output. You will have dropouts sometimes but I will like to hear your thoughts or A/B comparisons.
I seem to find that via USB it's a lot more studio grade like recordings. You do end up with one less analog to digital conversion and it can be a bitch mathematically if the sample rates used are 44,1 to 48 etc...
He is asking if you can record straight from these units as interfaces themselves. The answer is no. You need an input for your DAW in between.
Can I use one of those with a bass guitar?
i like your style mate!
Which one you recomend for Gospel/Jazz/Pop bassist?
Thanks
I heard you can plug one of these to a headphone and use it without an actual amp. I'm a beginner that's just starting out and I'm currently using a really cheap headphone-plug amp (JOYO JA-01), for my money's worth, should I get one of these and plug a speaker/headset in, or should I get an actual amp in the same price range like Vox Pathfinder 10?
All of these have amp simulators and CAB Impulsive Response, so yes, you can use them with headphones and also plug directly through a DI box and play live withaut any amps.
I already have the Zoom and Mooer and I like them both, didn't like the Valeton sound much, might have to try the NUX though
which one do you like better if you don't mind me askin, and why?
@@jordanfender3085 The Mooer. It has 9 simultaneous FX blocks opposed to Zoom's 5 and it takes Cab IR's...Zoom's don't
@TaylorDanley can You reupload the custom patches and IR-s? Unfortunately, the file is no longer available : (
Which should I go for?
So confused between Nux mg100 vs zoom G1x four
Hello! May i ask what did you choose between the two? 😊
@@Jsmnnly. got the zoom G1x four and i love it.
Can you share the patch for the zoom ??
Just recently received my GE-150. Ordered it before seeing this review, or any other for that matter. I've only spent about 15 minutes with it so far, still waiting on my new Jackson V to arrive before I really put it to use. IT SOUNDS AWESOME so far. But honestly, that ZOOM has the MEATY MIDs I love. In comparison, the other 3, my GE-150 included, sound a bit "tinny". Then again, being a tech-head, I LOVE the BIG SCREEN on the GE-150. Haven't seen any reviewer yet, use the "DIMEBAG 147" setting on the GE-150. Just curious if that would add the meaty middle to compare with the Zoom. ::)
love the video....sick riffs bro but you didn't mention what type of amp you used and if you used the exact same settings for all units with no added booster or anything else !!!
He definitely said they were all dual rectifier with a tube screamer.
Can link the zoom tone patch? Would love to use it
Imo the NUX is the best one for the features it has. Not only its a digital multi fx pedalboard but can also be used as a direct input to your pc without the need of an audio interface
All are digital, all can be used as an interface
@@MrBeen992 One doesn't follow from the other. The Zoom G1 Four definitely can not. It does not transmit sonic information through USB, you can only interface with the firmware using it.
@@mynameizmaineimis1880 I did not assume it because it was digital. And you are right, the zoom cannot record digitally. Ridiculous
All 3 other effect almost indentical to each other. Only zoom who has different sound. And i thing zoom sound best here. Zoom Wins
How i cant buy mooer ge150 in you ser?
I have the nux mg300 and it’s pretty good but does take a little bit to get set up and running I’m going to try your ir in it and see what I can do with it.
i am going to buy one, which one is better mg300 or zoom g1x four??
@@ecl1psedbydx to me the nux is better but I have sense given the nux to a buddy as I got a headrush mx5 which is better than both
I can’t believe the zoom sounded best. Imo of course. But damn 😮
I love your videos but wish you’d demo a genre of music with a little more harmonic content in addition to your regular stuff.
Agreed
Can do a single video between mooer ge150 and nux mg300?
This may be of interest: th-cam.com/video/5iadEC2CJ10/w-d-xo.html
zoom def has that death metal tone, sounds like a CC record or sum
1:17 wow what the hell hahahahaha what is that??? that was amazing
For sound which one is bettet?
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G1 four is good for old school death metal where mids don’t exist
I don't know about the pedals but that custom IR was way fucking better than the stock ones............
Zoom has more base but others gave more mid.
I had the Mooer GE150 for about four days, then I sent it back. It sounded good, but usability was just really bad. It has a few annoying things. Biggest problem is that changing patch does not happen when you press the button, but when you release it. The second biggest issue is that expression pedal range cannot be customized, you cannot assign an effect level and set for example minimum level at 30, max level at 50, it is minimum 0, maximum 100 all the time. So as I said I sent it back after a few days, bough a Hotone Ampero and never looked back.
Got myself Zoom G1X Four & it's awesome. Now trying to get hold of Zoom G3N...
which one do you prefer tho?
TBH, I'm not sure. I might prefer the Nux, just because it's really easy to use and has a clean UI. Sound wise, I think they're all in the same ball park.
@@TaylorDanley thank much! this helped me decide to buy Nux MG300.
Could someone share updated link for the custom IRs for NUX MG300?
Zoom
Period! 💪🤘
How does matter the sound quality if everything sounds like a stone grinder?
Learning from the Richest Man in Babylon - pay yourself first by saving and investing.😎
nux mg300 or valeton gp100 which one better?
Valeton sounds better for me, has a cleaner and more defined sound
I think the Zoom sounded best, in this demo at least.
Has anyone use the headphone outs of these bad boys and if they’re any good?
I need that custom IR for The Valeton……..
Is it just me or does the Zoom sound a million times better than the other ones?
i try NUX and MOOER .. sound is same good ,. but mooer is better than nux maybe for a little bit higher price but have better build quality and connection features .
Zoom has really good amp and FX modelling, but their built-in cabinet emulation/IR loader handling is just terrible. Get a zoom and a rack power amp or like a Joyo BlueJay, Mooer BabyBomb, or Valeton TAR-20G, turn off the cab sim and throw it in the FX loop. I have mine in the loop of a Joyo JackMan II and I'm more than happy. Otherwise, use external IR loaders, turn the bass down a bit, and roll off the extreme highs and lows somewhere in the FX chain in your DAW.
You just have to remember to turn off the built in IR when you use an external IR.
@@kiillabytez I'm talking about using it with an actual cab, but in both that situation and using external IR loaders, yes, turn off the internal IR/cab sim loading feature.
Taylor what tuning do you use?
C standard 90% of the time. The other 10% is anyones guess
@@TaylorDanley thank you for all your videos…..just one meow question would the Nux mg-300 sound good going thru a peavey Vypyr x2?
Zoom is definately best in stock IR. But I went with NUX ))
Does the G1 Four really have the ability to load custom IRs?
Nope, so not really sure what's happening here...
ZOOM wins !
Valeton nice!