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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ค. 2024
- Hello everyone, and welcome to another The Isle Concept Analysis! This is a series I will be making for the following weeks where I explore and analyse all the dinosaur concepts that the devs have been releasing since 2020. Today we are going to discuss the Triceratops.
Hope you all enjoy the video :)
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Chapters:
Intro 0:00
Original 0:25
Asset 2:07
Concept 3:53
Speculation 5:06
Outro 8:19
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Triceratops is maybe like today's cape buffalos. A tanky herbivore nicknamed "Black Death".
fax lmao
I for one really don't worry about the overly aggressive nature they keep giving all the ceratopsians because it's all just player behavior at the end of the day. The devs can draw Trikes killing Tenos all they want but in the end it is the player that chooses whether they want to do that or not. As it is the case with every dinosaur ever added to the game, some people will choose to play it really agro, some really friendly and some in-between. The amount of influence the devs have on player behavior is very minimal, at best they can make ceratopsians and other herbivores share some of the same diet plants to create competition, but that's still not gonna convince every single player to play ceratopsians like they're playing a Doom game. No matter what the concept shows, I fully expect to see herds of ceratopsians mixing with all kinds of other herbivores just like it's always been, while others will choose to be aggressive and turn everything that breathes in their direction into a stain on the floor. It's the choice of the players.
I love floor stains
Gotta be one of my favorite genders
honestly true facts there
I want to hunt as Ceratosaurus, not just scavenge rotting flesh. I will pursue people across the fucking map, they will submit to me or die.
@@ReinertZerker lol
@@ReinertZerker either way wouldn't they still die?
As a person who have a backyard farm, I can admit that some animals are agressive problably just for being agressive. I've had a male guineafowl who attacked almost everything on the move (except other birds he was raised with). No matter if he was with his females or alone, he started attacking as soon as you turned your back to him. It actually isn't as unrealistic for an animal to attack everything on sight, especially in the mating season.
Kevin from the Urban Rescue Ranch
Yea, anyone who has grown up around animals knows herbivores are usually MORE aggressive than carnivores. Our wildlife facility had zebras and warthog’s, rhinos etc… zebras will randomly just literally kick the shit out of everything for no reason. Literally knocking other animals unconscious or sometimes killing them. Rhinos will charge almost anything if they feel like you’re in their way.
Bison, too. So the weird idea aggressive trikes isn’t real or accurate seems goofy to me. I can almost guarantee real trikes would’ve been quite aggressive and territorial and would have no doubt outright killed many other herbivores in their time on earth. Because large herbivores alive today do exactly that. Elephants will literally stomp buffalo to death for no reason.
@@nikolasdemoulin8093 You are 100% right. I have never seen such agression from chicken, which are omnivores. But guineafowl and geese? They are herbivorous, but I have seen many more animals killed by their rage than I have ever seen killed by any carnivore. A guineafowl even killed a pigeon that landed in the enclosure to drink water. Hebrivores are much more agressive than carnivores, I don't exactly know why but think it's because of their instinctical knowledge that they can be attacked by predator everytime.
Aggressive herbivores can make a lot of sense... Hippos will attack almost anything for example. It's just a very territorial animal.
Aggressiveness in my opinion is a choice rather than a necessity, even if the trike was shown to be passive rather than aggressive, players would still play it, as aggressively as possible.
Yes that is correct, but the difference is if the devs were actively encouraging this playstyle or not, wich seems to be the case with trike.
@@Godisgood007 well altho I can't say that's not true, I doubt the influence specially from the devs would be big, mainly bc they tried to encourage people to play omni as in packs and avoid carnos, but that wasn't the case at all, until they changed omni completely.
@@shaxo5364 but packs as a whole are generally very irrelevant in survival games because the player population playing those small creatures are already less present than large apexes, so I don't think pack hunting small tier dinos would be a good example.
@@Godisgood007 maybe not, but currently with the roster people don't really have much of a choice to play anything, super big or not and now specially if you wanna play something like omni, you won't have much of choice but to be in packs and I wouldn't call packs irrelevant mostly bc it is survival game, if you play with friends than the flow changes completely.
@@shaxo5364 But that is only pushing the problem to the future, when all ceratopsians get implemented, this problem may truly become apparent.
And about packs, most people don't have much time of the day to play the game, so playing with friends to form packs would only occur in relatvily rare ocasions, wich again, for a creatures who's playstyle is based around numbers, isn't truly the best thing.
honestly ceratopsians being more aggressive then other herbivores isn't that bad, their prolly going for a rhino type thing since rhinos are quite aggressive in real life compared to other herbivores.
Yeah, but there’s point where the violence makes sense and then being being unnecessary as he mentioned. While it happens in real life, most herbivore species don’t attack each other unless one aggravated another, here as he mentioned the trike concept, ironically, shows it attacking other herbivores more often than carnivores.
@@JoseHernandez-xv2bt I think for a think the concepts violence is mostly just showing of the trike, for example the trike attacking the dibble is showing that each will be comparable in power and the utah getting its arm ripped off is showing that its bite will have use, the only one I can see as unnecessary violence towards a herbivore in the concept is the teno which was probably them thinking that looked cool.
Or a hippo
@@JoseHernandez-xv2bt who’s to say the Teno didn’t aggrivate the trike though? Tried to steal its delicious tree stars? Haha
In reality, just because the concept shows it does not mean you have to use that as law when YOU play trike, right? There isn’t going to be some kind of bloodlust mechanic that forces you to wound one herbivore per in game day.
Most likely herbie aggression will come for food and scarcity. If they go with droughts like the mention there is a chance that food can be limited at times and you might have to be aggro to ensure you and yours survive.
Other than the Teno concept the rest could be the sparring mechanic showing what it looks like when two equals spar (the trikes) and what happens when you overpower the sparring partner (the dibble).
Hmmmmm, the concept with the dibble looks more like a possible sparring showing maybe the ability toss your opponent during the spar and showcasing they can spar with other ceratopsian besides trike.
It impaling the tenonto also could indicate Teno being a possible food competitor and not a possible herb mate. Also, Teno is the only one of the concepts that indicate trike attacking another herb, the other two could just be the sparring mechanic that we heard of but overall I think creating a conflict between herbs is a good thing to break up mega herds.
I think in the end though it’s just concept art showing the destructive power it wields. I’m not sure what mechanic could force you to be over aggro to another herb as a player controlling a ceratopsian. The only thing I can think would be territory and food. Protecting the food you have so your herd mates thrive from other herbivores wanting the same food source.
Another good video!
unh
I don't know
I think trike being aggressive is good, and if you think about the other ceratopsians, it makes sense.
-Proto, not aggressive
-Ava is supposed to be a ceratosidian boar, so it makes sense that it's aggressive
-Diablo, I don't think a guy named Dinosaur Devil would be a nice guy
-The Trike stereotype has always been that they are territorial
I think we need to see what they do with pachy and styraco to judge whether they overcome the aggressive stereotype. for these two, I would personally make them like this:
-pachyrrino: the anti-hero dinosaur
they would have a mean face and look like a bad boy and at first others would fear them, and they are very aggressive....
but....
only against carnivores, to the point of indirectly defending other herbivores, so they would really make a good addition to a herd
-Styraco: the good dinosaur: they are the usual friendly dinosaurs, like Pará, they are sociable, they like to walk with other herbs and prefer to flee than to fight against predators. I think it makes sense, because looking at the design of the stiletto he's not such a good fighter, his single horn is too big and thin to be useful in a fight without breaking it, and it's not positioned in a good place to use it effectively, and would be more used for display
Hippos and elephants dont mess around either, specifically while in musk.
if they need massive amounts of food they may be aggressive to anything that shares same food type just to survive forcing them to be a threat to the entire roster instead of partial.
It's definitely C tier for me because there is still some good to it, but it being another use of the hyper-aggressive ceratopsians make it less interesting for sure when like in the video it's shown killing or just attacking fellow herbivores like other trikes, a diablo and a poor tento. definitely for sure hope this isn't the final product for Trike.
But overall this video was very well done and just great :) hope you have a nice day
Tbf to triceratops, if any ceratopsian, no, herbivore in general was deserving of the "too angry to die" sorta gameplay style, its triceratops
It really doesn't matter what dinosaurs it attacks in the concept, it all comes down to player choice. Just because the concept shows Trike attacking Teno doesn't mean every Trike player is gonna go around assassinating other herbivores, that depends on player behavior.
@@karenboy1005 that is if the player has the balls to attack anyone
This version of the trike woke up and chose violence
I do enjoy the concept art of the triceratops, because just like you said before, legacy trike is nothing compared to its older version (2017-2018 trike was a walking beast)but on the other part whit this violence meh i like to be the shield of the herds that is the biggest one that im going to miss
Hervivore spino concept art
Honestly ceratopsians being aggressive isn't really a problem. They are controlled by players not ai. Players do whatever they want. If they want to kill anything they see, ok. If they want to be more friendly with herbivores fine.
But what if! That’s how AI trikes are like? That would make AI trikes THE MOST DANGEROUS AI in the GAME!!!
@@No_name8374 Don't get close to them or trust them immediately. Done.
The thing is, this concept kind of sucks because it’s similar to alberto in that it shows an “ability” (Alberto’s: being a bad parent, Trike: being angry ig), that only the player can choose. Unless you actively get some kind of reward from killing other herbivores..?
This is one of the problems with showing behaviors while yes it could be applied to AI! Which makes adult AI trikes EXTREMELY DANGEROUS! A player trike may not chose to behave overly aggressive and could choose to be a more gentle giant! I think they wasted time showing trike being aggressive when that just boils down to how the player wants to act and behave! And instead they should’ve shown us literally anything else. Like maybe what if a trike loses a horn for example!
@@No_name8374dismemberment isn’t a thing in the isle yet and also what exactly would change other than no longer being able to stab and less effective bleed
@@0wonder idk I wrote that comment a year ago 🤷♀️
@@No_name8374 damn
honestly i think its good that they showed triceratops killing another herbivore. Hopefully people can now understand that all herbivores doesnt team up. Like it is now in the game it is like the majority of the playerbase think that all herbivore should team up with other herbivore species. Just an example: if your a carno fighting a teno, you almost killed the teno but it survived because of a stupid stego player felt entitled to help the teno because it is a herbivore. this have happend to me many times and are always annoying. sure, if it is another teno that comes to the rescue it isnt that annoying since they are the same specie. But whats annoying is that people treats the herbivores as its own faction like all herbivores are a team against all carnivores who dont have this faction thing. I think there should be more competition against herbivores too. But sadly, when you kill a herbivore as a herbivore people get mad for some uknown reason
Was looking forward to this video since I saw the concept art on the subreddit
I am not going to deny that I always liked that stereotype of an aggressive and territorial three-horned Bull with the size of an elephant of the Triceratops but i understand that the three ceratopods are hyperaggressive is a little too much
I honestly hope the concept art of the next ceratopsians wont be like the trike. Honestly I do like the fact that ava is unnaturally aggressive cause I just think its funny cause of how small they are lol but still all ceratopsians being unnaturally aggressive is just not really that great of an idea in my opinion but I can see the Pachyrinosaurus being a quite chill ceratopsain so we just gotta hope that the concept art wont be filled with violence
They can paint these guys aggressive all they want. They'll still carebear everything in sight.
Also, you mentioning how old they are in the Isle feels weird as a vet of the game. Felt like ages before they showed up lol I can't even remember if it was before or after the Allopocalypse!
I think they're tryna make the ceratopsians more like rhinos
Trikes are gonna be extremely dangerous towards Apexes in head-on fight. However this dont make it impossible for the Apexes to kill a Trike.
Rex and Acro (Maybe Giga and Spino) have the ability to grab over the Trike's neck and pinned them down creating a huge opening for a 2nd carni to spam bite the pinned trike.
Dondi said something on live stream ages ago that they wanted the Rex to be able to grab around the neck of lets say a trike, when the trike runs out of stamina. The Rex will automatically kill it. Not sure if they still gonna use that idea or have changed it. But we all know they are gonna be able to grab their prey with their mouth.
If any ceratopsian or even herbivore was deserving of the blazingly angry and aggressive playstyle, in my opinion its triceratops. So unfortunate the concept is just herbi spino art tho
What is the art supposed to be for the trike of spino?
You guys jump on bandwagons of hating the isle devs based on absolutely nothing of substance. The concept art is solid and shows it’s abilities, behaviors, how it can fight and kill, how it can interact with its own species. What else do you want them do add?
@@nikolasdemoulin8093 *my brother in raptor mother fucking Jesus this comment is 2 fucking months old*
Anyways I deem it as the herbi variant of spino's art is because save for like 2 panels it is doing absolutely nothing but murder, murder and more murder. I completely understand that this art features potential abilities and such, that doesn't however take away from the fact that this art makes it seem as though Triceratops is an unstoppable killing machine not even Tyrannosaurus rex can handle
ceratopsians in the isle wake up and choose violence
Yo just wanna say.
I do t know why everyone in the comment section is hating on trike so much, it’s realistic that trike and the other ceratopsians would be so hyper aggressive despite being herbivores. Kangaroos rhinos and hell even elephants, iguanas, and even moose and water buffalo are hyper aggressive due to being in stressful life or death environments it’s gotten to the point where it’s in their blood to fear and hate everything that lives even each other sometimes. Me personally gameplay like that sounds fun as hell , and especially so since it’s coming in 3 different sizes. Diablo mid tier Ava small tier and trike being the heavy weight.
The devs are giving us a chance to play like this in every size category for the Dino’s , personally it sounds like they really are trying hard and putting a lot of thought into what their doing.
I feel like all these ceratopsians having the same over-aggressive approach to everything will be detrimental for a specific reason among many, they'll likely be targeted.
If all they're going to do is be assholes to every other creature on the island, just picking fights is going to likely warrant an equal or even superior amount of backlash from the other creatures on the island. Triceratops is likely going to be the least affected by this but I can see them having to constantly defend themselves from mid tier and apexes alike on a near constant basis, but Dibble? There is plenty of things that can kill a Dibble effectively, and if they ever intend to make Ava playable (unless I'm mistaken and it will be AI and playable), that population is going to be constantly murdered by nearly every carnivore on the island...
I could be wrong about all this but the Devs in my opinion are setting this family up to be the punching bag of the island, whether they can deal with it or not.
Cool!👍
I always saw the trike attacking the teno as the teno getting too close and angering the trike
0:34 could be wrong, but I’m p sure that looks like Triceratops Prorsus and non horridus, the horn shape looks like prorsus- I could be wrong tho /lh /nm
Nice video btw! ^^
I just hope that the Cama concept art won't be this bad
Realistically, I do consider trikes as probably reflecting pretty heavily on a LOT of massive herbivores irl and being incredibly aggressive toward herbivores at least. But the extremes which Isle takes it I will say is just stupid imo. Ceratopsians in general I don't see as outright aggressive, so as mentioned it subtracts from things like diablo or ava, which I feel would be more laid back/peaceful with other herbivores and diablo I really just see as being very passive until provoked around carnivores that are of similar size when not with offspring to protect. Trike is really the only one I can see as being extremely aggressive, but as I said, more so toward carnivores. While other herbivores may be more of a casual co-existence situation, but may also not be as inclined to get involved in defending other species like say a teno or something would. But that's all just my stance on it.
it seems to me that aggressiveness towards other herbivores is taken from the behavior of modern hippos and rhinos, as well as buffaloes, they can all unexpectedly attack a herbivore that it was just there
It could be neat if it has rhino vision so that could explain why it’s atacking herbivores too
I love triceratops, it’s my second favorite herbivore next to stegosaurus
I like the herbivores they can fight back against the predators.
I dont aggree. Elephants are the most aggressive all herbavores id argu. So i kinda like this. Keep up the uploads🍷.
To be fair to the "Over aggressive" drawings, many megafaunal herbivores are actually quite aggressive to most animals around them, and ironically its many carnivorous animals that we find tend to flee or avoid conflicts unless absolutely necessary or for territorial disputes. I think Unnatural History Channel's videos (On youtube) on things like Diablos in Monster Hunter has a great explanation of this behavior and why in fact its large herbivores that tend to be aggressive over carnivores so for a ceratopsian to be overtly aggressive to nearly everything would make more sense.
Maybe trike does all of these acts of violence for fun? like orcas does to seals
Nah..
I'm so happy we can finally play this in 2044
Teno is op as fuck , good thing trikes are aggressive to it
But it is the player choice to be aggressive or passive to other players
Like now we have stegos being decks to everyone they see
I swear if trex can facetank trike again ill flip 💀
I dont grt it i though 1 apex herb to protect herds and 1 apex carni to hunt big herds but now they made the trike aggressive to other herbis??? Whose going to protect them then
“These horny herbivores”
Is this a fan concept ?
i mean the most agressive and dangerous animals are herbavors in our current time. i believe it would be the same among dinos
6:00 same thing in real life elephants impaling rhinos is pretty common. other herbivores fighting other herbivores is normal
6:28 real life herbivorous animals can also be aggressive to other animals of any type
in general all modern day animals are randomly aggressive for no reason
honestly i think trike should be agro, but theres a limit. this goes way past that limit
They make it seem like ceratopsians will be very bad to have in herds lol
If you try and eat their food, you better have horns to defend yourself lol
Concept art tells me to stick to my own race and tolorate small herbs but dont defend them, carnivores need to eat too,.. That neing said other trikes...
I like it but I'm just don't understand why are they continuing to make herbivores purposely wanting to attack other herbivores and killing them, I just don't see how this is balanced for this game, people are gonna abuse this aniaml to point where your prob not gonna be able to play as any other herbivore without players using trike for kosing and i have no doubt its gonna 1 shot the majority of the cast anywhere near its hitbox and ur dead, Its ridiculous at this point, this proves the devs have no idea what their doing, their making herbivores do carnivores jobs and herbivores already currently do a way better job at killing each other then carnivores, this game is gonna be unplayable in the future cause people are gonna give constant excsues that it's realistic, when the reality is its a videogame and its clearly for their toxic entertainment.
The problem is… even IF the devs didn’t portray trike like THIS! It still and will ALWAYS be up to the player on how THEY act and behave. Whether it be friendly or aggressive it’s all up to the player. And to say animals like trike could cause a balance problem because of the reason you just stated is a unfixable and inevitable consequence of having animals like trike the only way to fix the problem is to not have trike in the game. And well… thats not really the most desirable option.
@@No_name8374 or they could just simply add something in the game to discourage herbivore players from attacking each other, for example if they attack another herbivore they immediately getting their nutrients down to 0, and also get a heavy nerf in damage to the point where if even stego damage output goes down to 200 and it will last for like 15 mins, however nutrients are permanent until they start eating their preferred foods, this is more then enough and will help immensely in the long term. Like dude it only requires 10 more seconds of thought to fix this game issue, this developers are either stupid or blatantly indifferent.
@@seilamujkanovic3478 you are correct! But the thing is! The isle isn’t that type of game! The devs COULD EASILY do that and it definitely could fix the problem! But there are some problems let’s say what if a herbivore attacks in self defense? Do they TOO receive a debuff? What if a stego accidentally hits one another in a fight against a carnivore we’re BOTH need to be at there peak or one of them is gonna die? Your idea definitely could help discourage but it doesn’t fix the problem indefinitely and it could cause even more problems if done wrong!
Concept art doesn't dictate how a playable should be played but yeah I agree that portraying all the ceratopsians as aggressive bullies is damaging and also repetitive.
Short sweet and too the point, I like it. It's also cool how a sub trike can still body something near it's size
3:11 I remember this footage, can't remember what video it was in. But it's nice to see!
I personally believe it will be over aggressive bc they require alot of food like you said but they definitely should of shown something like that
Reminds me of the spino concept, it acted like the jp3 spino but on steroids
I really hope they make pachyrhino aggressive because it looks like it would be but maybe the last tirke can be calm since it so small
No, we litraly have evidance of pachyrhino living along cide other herbis.
+ im geting tior of that striotyp
@@dark_c_a_t8894 I'm actually packirhinosaurus lived with edmontosaurs/shaunt