650 $ CHAMPAGNE ?! MASTER of WINE Tastes two Vintages of Louis Roederer CRISTAL.
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- Can Champagne be perfect? I am tasting two of the best Louis Roederer CRISTAL.
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I have used this glass in this Video: RIEDEL Veritas Champagne
I have tasted the following wines in this Video:
2008 Louis Roederer Cristal
2013 Louis Roederer Cristal
Today I am going to explore the difference between vintages and aged wine. But I did not pick any wine for this experiment. Instead, I got two bottles of Roederer Cristal, one of the most expensive Champagnes and I am going to taste them here with you … and you know what - it is still morning so I would call this a pretty good start into the day. The producer behind this wine is Louis Roederer a family-owned estate - which is increasingly rare for the bigger houses in Champagne
Even though its history goes back into the 19th century Cristal was not commercially available until it was first released to the market in 1945 and it is now only produced in the best vintages. Today It is one of the most expensive and most iconic champagnes. Special about Roederer is that they own 240 hectares supplying around 70% of the fruit they need which is exceedingly rare for bigger Champagne houses. Roughly half of their vineyards are certified organic, and they do biodynamic farming as well. All Cristal blends are 100% biodynamic since 2012. 45 different parcels are being used for Cristal and they pick the best ones every vintage. The Cristal is a vintage Champagne which means that the grapes are exclusively from that specific vintage and represent the quality of that year. Most of the Champagnes are non-vintage so it is generally the better and more expensive wine and the higher quality grapes go into it. Comparing these too wines is fairly easy as the two vintages were made in more or less the same way.
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This was my first time watching this channel, I liked and subscribed. During the last 6 months, I have enjoyed 6 extraordinary bottles of champagne, five of the 2008 vintage and one 2007 as follows: 2007 Taittinger Comtes de Champagne Rosé, 2008 Bollinger La Grande Année Brut, 2008 Piper-Heidsieck Brut Vintage Rare, 2008 Dom Pérignon Brut, 2008 Louis Roederer Cristal Brut, and saving the best for last, the 2008 Taittinger Comtes de Champagne Blanc de Blancs. I scored the Piper a 98, the Bolly a 99, the Taittinger Rosé a 99, the Dom a 99, and both the Cristal and Comtes de Champagne a perfect 100. I have been enjoying fine (and some not so fine) champagne since 1982, when I was given my first bottle of Dom Pérignon. Thanks for an informative and well done presentation!
Found and bought a bottle of the 2008 yesterday. Will be opening on new years eve with my wife. Looking forward to it!
@@Dkkm10 delicious. Smooth, creamy bubbles although my wife liked the Dom P more!
That’s really great to hear that! I found a 2014 bottle in my town. My lady and I celebrate 6 years together next week. Will be popping it open that day. Cheers!
2009 on more then 5 occasions just bought 2013 for the first time today saving for my birthday at the end of the month
I am just starting my wine journey and your videos have been essential in guiding me to wonderful wines and keeping me open minded about wines from all over the world. Please keep making great videos! I hope to visit Germany at some point and see all the wonderful vineyards there. Happy New Year!
100 points! Every morning should start out in such good company.
The bottle that made me fall in love with Champagne was a 2003 Krug. 🤤 -Chris
A great start to the day. You went above and beyond on this one my friend.
Loved the video - you lucky lucky bastard.
Great tasting/video! - Taitinger Comtes 2008 is my favourite vintage champagne, also love NV grower champagnes like Pierre Peters blanc de blanc
Good choice!
Drank my bottle of 2002 the other day and I have to say, it was a treat in and of itself 🥂
I love the growers, especially Marguet, Maiily, Gatinois. I had a great moment with Pol Roger 2004.
Crystal always reminds me of Lucozade (did you have that as a boy when you were ill???) with the cellophane wrapper, probably got their idea from that? ...love the channel , keep it up thanks
Haha geil! Beneidenswerter Start in den Tag! Der letzte 2008er Champagner den ich hatte war so oxidativ, außer leblosen Haselnüssen konnte ich nix rausschmecken 😅
Merry xmas and happy hangovers, Mr. Baum.
Same to you!
I love that in the rare occasions they make blind tastings between the top Cuvées and the top Murganheiras sparkling the humble Portuguese always wins. Champagne is the most Veblen good of all alcoholic beverages.
My cherry on top was the 1998 Rosé Dom Perignon I tasted a few years ago. I seem to have a sweet tooth for NV Bolinger😊.
2012 Tattinger Comtes de Champaign that was just released was pretty round and creamy with 10 years on the lees.
Just yesterday received a 2013 vintage as a gift. I was very pleased to see this video pop up in my feed! Looking forward to drinking it.
Can I ask the make of that ice bucket in the background?
I’m curious to know what you thought of the 2013 Cristal!
Wow, pretty good start to your day. I can't even imagine how good it got from there! I would definitely go for the '08. Just for those roasted hazelnuts.
Good idea for an episode, your take on wine counterfeiting.
2008 on Dom Pérignon. Tasted similar like you described the 2008 Cristal with the creaminess 😋
Maybe you can do a video about great entry level champagne one time? Between some common brands and some unknown ones.
Would love to see something like that 😍
And thanks for this great video!
Great idea, I’d love that too!!
Not technically a Champagne, but Schramsburg makes an excellent sparkling wine. Their cremant is a great value at around 30 bucks.
Roederer Estate makes some great sparkling wines at great value.
Yeah, I like your proposal! Maybe a cheap champagne vs. crémant vs. cava vs. sekt face off, for example, at very close price points.
I’m sorry I think don perignon taste nasty
I'm pretty new to the wine world, and I'm looking forward to trying my first vintage champagne which will be the Andre Clouet "Dream vintage" 2008. Great video as always!
Great choice! I had the 2004 and it was soo great. Little perlage, golden colour and so much flavour 🍾. My favourit producer
Wait a minute, did you actually open two vintage Cristals in the morning, have a few sniffs and a sip, and then leave the bottles open for a few hours just to learn what would happen!?
All in the name of science!
I kept the bottles in the fridge though and left only the glasses on the table - I am no monster!
@@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine Hehe very well good Sir
@@peterburlin8198 For Science
Well, people decanted champagnes before the French Revolution (mainly due to the lees still in the bottle). Not surprised at all.
Merry Christmas, my friend! 😃🎄
Same to you!
My brother often brings Champagne when we have family get-togethers. A tasty companion to the hors d'oeuvre we serve, and a great way to get the party started. His go-to Champagne, Taittinger, is maybe not Roederer quality, but still quite nice.
I had the 2007 Taittinger "Comtes de Champagne" on a flight and I thought it was better than the Dom and Krug I've tried.
I dont really drink much champagne unless its free or someone gives it to me. Its just not my thing I dont hate it.
I just enjoy watching you drink really posh bubbly
Thank you
My favourite, in affordable section, is Lauren Perrier cuvée rose NV. For 1/3 of the price it is a fantastic bubbly. Thanks for your contents.
I recently had the Nicolas Maillart 2012 extra brut ND though that was stunning
Great! I actually sell Maillarts wines and really like the quality.
A sparkling 100! Wow, wold love to try a wine of that quality one day.
Regards
Tony
For me one mind changing experience was the Dom Perignon 2000... It was completely different than all other vintages of Dom Perignon I've ever tasted (and of course much better)
Besides the "well known", I really enjoy the champagne of Henry Goutorbe and Guy de Chassey. I have also a favor for the "special club" champagnes, even though I haven't tasted them all, yet.
Would be a nice topic for a champagne "special" on your channel... ;)
Thanks for this channel, I really enjoy watching your videos and trying the wines from your shop! :)
Wonderful video.
What a morning!
I have two answers to your question and it’s a very personal thing.
Bollinger is my favourite Grand Marque and their 02 was a special moment for me and it was a pleasure to serve for a good price at the Restaurant.
Now, it’s not a vintage champagne per se, but Jacquesson was the first champagne that got me really excited about the winemaking side of Champagne.
736 was the first Cuvee I had by them, so I’ve fond memories.
Not Champagne, but Nyetimber’s 2004 vintage was excellent upon release, and there are some 09s in their cellar that they release to special accounts.
Dermot Sugrue is currently making the best sparkling wine in the country, and his 2010 was outstanding
My favorite champagne…. The first I ever had was the 96….. many moons ago…. Had the 12 too. ….need to see if I can find some 08s. Thank you and happy holidays!
Love it!!! Im drinking Agrapart Mineral or avizoise, both 2009 and really great stuff too. What are your experiences with more older champagnes? I have 86 cristal, 85 DP, 98 clos du mesnil, have you have any experiencies with those?
Cant wait to see the nye video, something says me it will be maaaaasssiveee!!!! Cheeers mate!
Cristal is definitely one of the best Champagne in the world. Moreover, as you said, it is also Organically and Byodinamically made that for me is a plus. Great video as usual!!!
I love the evolution on vintage Champagne and the way they develop over the years so I’m sure it would be worth to have a case each of these babies and pop a cork every other year to see how they evolve. I loved Bollinger Vielles Vignes Française 1996, Salon 2002, Charles Heidsieck Blanc des Millenaire 1996 but too many to mention. Great content Konstantin, keep it up! 🍾
any red wine recommendations
@@Wreckohnize plenty… depends what you like and what’s the budget I guess
No budget , good dry but smooth wine also a little strong @@giacomomonaco5533
Fortunately, I bought 8 2008s of this beauty when it cost me a mere $200/bottle. I have 6 left and will enjoy every drop, one bottle at a time. Thanks for the detailed comparison and review. Happy holidays!
When did you buy those?
@@kyukim6358 summer of 2019
@@LASUPERLAWYERS Wow...Can you tell where did you buy? $200 is real good price
@@kyukim6358 from JJ Buckley in Northern California. I do not believe they have any more in stock at that price.
@@LASUPERLAWYERS Thanks William! I live in bay area too. I know JJ. Can you let me know who is your sales representative? I'd like to work with him
Had a bottle of 1993 La Grande Dame, and it was quite amazing. It's barely effervescent at this stage, but the texture was rich and almost viscous, but still surprisingly fresh! The finish is ultra long and luxurious. Simply sublime! Question: should Champagne be stored upright for the long-haul, (as in 30 years)?
Great tasting Thanks Herr Baum! Had an eve with Pol Roger Winston Churchill, Dom Perignon & Cristal 2008 about a year ago, Cristal was the one! Any idea how the Cristal Rose 2008 compares with the 2008?
Most recent was a Domaine Carneros 2016. Very good. While I LOVE Cristal you almost can buy a case of Domaine for a bottle of Cristal.
Fantastic
I agree with your review. LR Cristal vintage 2008 is one of very best champagnes I ever tasted. 100/100 from me. The LRL 2009 was really lackluster in comparison. I haven’t tried 2012 or 2013 yet. Other favorite champagne vintages: 1988-1990 (hard to get by now), 1995 and 1998 (underrated compared to 1996 imo), 2002, 2004 (also underrated imo), 2008 and 2012.
Agree on the 1990 vintage. I was lucky to have tasted a bottle of 1990 Dom Perignon a few years back. It was the best tasting experience I've ever had. I hope to replicate this experience with the 2008 vintage that I will cellar for at least another decade
Veuve 88 Brut Rose and 89 Brut vintage are my favorite. Vilmart & Cie Brut Gran Cellier is my favorite n/v...
I’ve only have a few. So far 2012 Bollinger Grand Année has been at the top. If you like roasted marshmallows and Graham crackers with rich caramel and oxidized barrel aged notes with some sweetness and racing acid check out Taittinger 2014.
Cooles Video!
Gruss aus Mainz
Stocked up on Bollinger La Grande Annee 2008. Unfortunately the 2008 Cristal that I saw was not only a returned bottle, but also standing vertically on display so I passed. Now these bubbles are getting more and more pricey.
My all time favorite is 1988 Dom Perignon Rose. Visited Moët & Chandon and carried 2 home (way back before 9/11 when you could still carry bottles on to the aircraft). I unfortunately opened them way too early, but they were incredible nonetheless. Cheers 🥂
Another great video. Im lucky enough to have a white and rosé 2012 Cristal and Im really looking forward to trying them. Maybe I'll put them up against a Sir Winston Churchill 2012 for fun.
Did you watch my video on the 2012 Cristal?
@@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine No i havent seen it, I will dig it out later and have a watch. Do you have one on the sir winston churchill as well?
Pol Roger Winston Churchill - light, green apples, serious - super delicious in everyway
Super interesting video. I love and admire Roederer for what they do in Champagne in terms of vineyard ownership and farming approach. However I’d love them to go lower on the dosage, I always think this kind of quality level deserves to be Extra Brut - what do you think about this ?
Also on the differences is it related as well to the fact that the 2008 just got more time in bottle and the 2013 is still pretty much a baby?
95 and 96 are right up there with 08 imho. Great job! I would like to see a Rose' Champagne tasting.
Love the vid Konstantin! What temperature do you recommend serving this champagne?
At 9 degrees but taste them also after some time in the glass.
@@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine thanks so much Konstantin!
Nice!
Konstantin, if possible can you tell me the dimensions of the cork? I am new to bottling with natural cork in my sparkling wines. Im interested in the overall length and also the width of the head at its wides point. Thanks. (In mm)
Hey Konstantin! My favorite vintage was 1996 and at that time I was drinking a lot of Bollinger La Grande Annee which I remembered having a real cashew taste and I still enjoy eating and serving cashew nuts and parmesan cheese with some vintage champagnes. I have one question, I have heard that Champagne was made popular around the world by a salesman nick-named "Champagne Charlie". At what temperature was Champagne enjoyed in the early days compared to how we enjoy it today? Tonight I am enjoying a domestic sparkling Croser Late Disgorged NV. Cheers!
For New Years I am going to be enjoying a bottle of Charles Mignon NV. While it is only $40, I really seem to enjoy it.
One other comment, if I may. I also attended a tasting where the Roederer rep poured their brut, vintage brut, vintage rose, vintage blanc de blanc and Cristal. It was a tight race. The rep poured it in a different order, with the last two being Cristal and then the Vintage brut. Finesse and then power.
Cuvée des Hussards 2008 by Frerejean Freres! 2012 is excellent too!
H. Goutorbe Special Club 2008! Could you also do an episode on grower Champagnes and Special Club?
Got a bottle of the 08 at home I’m waiting to pop , should I wait a little? or drink it for the 25th bday coming up ?
Currently 2008 Pol Roger which has most of the fine features you describe in the Cristal. Years ago I bought 1982 Salon after attending a tasting tutored by Jancis Robinson who described it as ‘nervy’ which description was spot on. Also brilliant and one whose memory lingers.
You don’t mention the gangster reputation Cristal has!
I talked about that in my video on the 2012 Cristal
Good vintage Champagne introduction/explainer -- not too shabby! ...my only reaction here is, and it is completely conceptual and kind of silly, that such fine wines should be drunk from finer stemware. Tasting is one thing (as perhaps you want a glass you use regularly for comparison reasons), but I would definitely be pouring this into some handmade crystal (perhaps a Riedel Superleggero..?) in addition to my trusted tasting stem. Such a hard life, eh? Skål !
Maybe next time :)
I worked in the Reims office for a few months with the CFO and CEO of the time. The one advantage of the job was the amount of champagne we got to taste.
My favorite bubbly is "Rotkäppchen Sekt". In warmer vintages it can rival brands like "Roederer Crystal" or "Pol Roger" and even their "Sir Winston Churchill edition".
That`s a good one Valentin! 😂
How does the 2012 vintage compare to those vintages ? Any opinions ?
Just attended a tasting where 2013 Cristal was the finest, followed closely by P. Heidsieck Rare 2008. That said I bought the 2014 L. Roederer Rose. Always among my favorites, including 1995, 1996 and others. Just love the roses from Roederer. Funny, Cumieres, from which they select their pinot noir is only premier cru. The ratings for grand and premiere cru need to be revisited. The tasting included 5 prestige and over 20 others, some of which were surprisingly beautiful. Let me know if you want a copy of the list, which includes tasting notes, prices and ratings. Oh my! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
Billecart-Salmon 2009 for me 😋 Although two different bottles were quite different…
Great video! Could you please make a video on which red wines you think are worth aging?
I really like the Dieter Meier Malo Tinto (2012) for example. But I have no idea whether it's a waste to keep this one for 10/20 years.
I did one on wine collecting but aging wine would be interesting too.
Lieblings Vintage Champagne: 2002 JP Gaudinat "Les Elitistes". 13 Jahre Hefelager. Der macht einfach Lust und Laune😊. Leider gibt es nur ca 370 Flaschen
I have the 2013 but haven't tasted it. Had the 2009 out of a magnum last NYE and it was indeed something else. That being said, I'd probably rather spend a similar amount of money on an NV Krug grand cuvee next time. Maybe my palete isn't trained enough yet, but I like the vintage veuve 2008/2012 more than pretty much any other prestige cuvee out there that I've had. Except of course the 09 Cristal :)
I‘m drinking Champagne Bouché Blanc de Noirs which my sister bought for me at the winery for 18€.
To be honest, I‘d rather prefer a tasting of say 10 affordable Sagioveses or Haut Medocs for that matter.
Really appreciate your videos!
A question, does the 2008, being 5 years older have an unfair advantage over the 13?
Also how do you feel be in five years and will it warrant a higher score?
Maybe ... thats difficult to say though!
My favourites this far are Comtes de Champagne 2008 and Dom Perignon 1996 :-)
I would like to see what you think about the Dom Pérignon 2003 P2.I was able to try it recently at a tasting. The presenter talked about the uniqueness of the vintage because of 2003 being a particularly hot year. It was a huge hit. We tried a 2010 vintage earlier in the tasting but the 2003 was something else.
I've had it. It's fantastic. Top 10 ever.
I have a bottle of 2004 still. Not sure if it’s passed it’s prime yet but I haven’t had anything happen that I could justify opening it for yet
I wonder if the malolactic fermentation of the 2008 contributed to its superior flavor? What do you think?
Good question! I don’t think that Konstantin mentioned any of the typical malolactic descriptors (butter, dairy, cream, etc.), so they probably weren’t super clear or strong, but the lower acidity on the 2008 definitely comes from the malo. So, maybe the more rounded, less intense sourness was the defining factor, due to malo?
Maybe - The long time on the lees and the freshness of the vintage certainly also helped! Difficult to limit this to one factor, especially because only a small part of the wine went through MLF.
I got a couple dozen of the 2013 in my cellar now, I’m drinking the 2009 at the minute
WOW!
Invite Richard Juhlin for a champagne test. He is class! Thanks for a fantastic channel!
Konstantin how long would you say the 2008 will maintain it's 100 pts before it's starts to go downhill and get ever so slightly out of balance between it's fruit, freshness, elegance and tertiary aspects?
It will definitely keep getting better for another 20 years before reaching a very long plateau.
I agree. Champagnes can age for a very long time!
Any chance one day you could review finger lakes NY USA Riesling> As i live in in NY and love German and NY Riesling.
Hello Konstantin, you showed us a graph of price vs quality in one of your other videos. Do you know the price threshold in USD for a 750ml red and white wine bottle where the quality is at its highest but the price is at the lowest? Basically at what price point does paying more no longer increases quality for both white and red wines in general. Thanks!
It depends on the origin of the wine. In Europe, it would be around the 20 Euro mark when the quality does not increase significantly if you pay more. That does not mean that a wine that costs 30 EUR is not better than a wine that costs 20 EUR, but a point on the 100 point scale gets more and more expensive. I would guess that it would be around the 30-40 $ mark in the USA. In regions like Champagne, Napa, Burgundy the dynamics are different though.
whoa i didn't know about the history of this. Roederer also sounds like a German name, I'll have to look it up, i don't know how I've missed this video!
Hey Konstantin! So, I am just wondering, do you pop such bottles really just for a video or would you usually use them for some other purpose anyways and it just comes in handy to make a video out of it aswell? :)
I opened them only for you! BUT no Champagne was wasted in the production of this video. 😉
@@KonstantinBaumMasterofWine well I never had any doubt about that🤓
Nice! Martini Asti champagne maybe next time?
Great suggestion!
I wish I could afford to buy two great Cristal vintages for a relaxed tasting at home.
Frühschoppen nach meinem Geschmack
How does the 2013 compare to the 2012? I know people say they're too different to compare but those are the two available for me to buy locally and I would like to know which I should buy.
I made a video about the 2012 Cristal. The 12 was a touch better for me.
I remember buying these under $100… good old days.
Still have 6 bottles of 2008 in the cellar. Planning to let it age a bit longer.
The best I’ve ever had was Dom Perignon 2008. Here are my notes:
Smell: funky fermentation, yeasty, musky, alluring. More fragrant than other champagne I’ve had.
Taste: rich, creamy, oaky, musty
Finish: fruity and acidic
Overall: concentrated fragrance and taste. A complex taste experience.
I would love to see a video of you tasting a wine from Bâtard Montrachet if you can
Get some oysters, pate and brioche, quick!
While all the Tête de Cuvée bottles are great, I would have to say that my favorite "vintage champagne" isn't a brand, but is the vintage level bottle in a great year such as 08' or 12'. The prices here in the US have risen considerably over the last couple years, leaving me to question the bottles that offer the best value.
In fact, maybe you could do a video on that? 08' TdC vs. 08' vintage bottling? Or 12' vs 12'? ... is it worth it anymore?
Once I tried Mailly Grand Cru 2012 millesime. Outstanding wine, then I realised that such good wine should be aerated.
Bollinger RD 2002 is pretty special.
You should try and research Branson B champagne and cognac. He use to be a exclusive weed dealer in harlem NY had o ly the best pot and the rappers would go there to buy. But he was in love with champagne, wine etc and came out with his own brand. I think 50 cent the rapper own a piece of the brand. But the story is legendary and I heard his champagne and cognac is not too shabby you should really look it up check it out.
Super Video, aber was macht ihr dann mit zwei geöffneten Flaschen?
drink them
Maybe this is a stupid question but is it really not a problem to let champagne sit for a few hours? I can imagine that the flavour gets rounder, but wouldn't we lose most of the co2 at some point?
Yes, we would. The bottles were in the fridge during that period but the glasses just sat there. It is interesting to taste the wines with less CO2 - but they are not loosing all CO2 - and at a higher temperature as the falvor profile changes.
Krug next 🙏 Man, I wish people would beg for me to drink Krug 🤣
Krug, Selosse, Roederer
Nice experience! I have tasted 2008 a couple of times in the restraunt I work in ($350 tax included) -it's super vibrant , heady and smooth now. And this delicate white chocolate tone I love so much... It works well in Lehnmann Grand Blanc glasses.
Temperature? Also, at Roederer I read that they decant into a tall narrow pitcher to let a little oxygen in.
9 degrees