NEW HILUX REVIEW, the WIDER 2023 ROGUE
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- NEW HILUX REVIEW, the WIDER 2023 ROGUE Wider and Beefy'er but is it worth the money?
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00:00 Introduction
00:53 0-100kph
01:35 prepping the Rogue
03:39 Off road test
04:45 Soft Beach test
05:53 Rear diff lock
07:36 UP and DOWN DUNES
08:49 WHIP AROUND
13:14 interior
14:15 HILUX ISSUES?
15:42 LIKES + DISLIKES
16:28 SR5 vs Rogue vs GR SPORT
I've got a 23 Rogue and love it. Of the 3 vehicle's its best by a mile. Set of Wranglers 265/65/18 biggest you can get, and yes, it slightly rubs on mud flap bolts. Straight through exhaust sounds nice, black windows and blue in colour. Ive never had a car where people come up, shit nice car mate..😂 wider track looks unreal and the carpet in tub i just love it. And im a Ford man, its better than my 22 next gen Ranger sport.
Steve 👍👍
You forgot the best option. The SR. Same motor, same rear locker, same traction control, same abilities. Anything else is just burning money.
Hi Ronny, your 100% right it can't be difficult....in fact they have done it. The FJ cruiser A Track could be engaged with rear diff locl in low range and it works brilliant. Why not apply it to all 4x4's
Imagine you are building up a Hilux in 2020 and you wanted to do all of the upgrades at your local custom engineering workshop. It would be a 30k investment. The rogue looks like a great investment to me. That’s why I ordered one.
Rogue for me main reason the brakes, rear sway bar, mild lift and stance rogue is a great platform to build up . I would need engineering to take a sr5 beyond what the rogue is stock
Awesome review Ronny!!
Have you done a two wheel drive not a 4 wheel drive truck/hilux review?? Thank you for all you do.
All Toyota needs to do to hit our G spot is to release a V8 4.5 twin turbo version.
Yeah nah
v8 4.5,??,, tdi.??,, if so, there a crap engine, over techincal, under powered.. ''ooohh,, but its a v8''.. fkn wake up..
@@harrywalker968 is that why you bought Ranger?
I'll say the V6 twin turbo from their latest powertrain which has been available on the Lexus ls500 for almost 5 years now!
@@carholic-sz3qv why they dont make hilux in lexus variant)
Superb video! Thks mate
$13,000 of AfterMarket Mods to a SR5 would Probably create a far Superior Vehicle than the GRsport
$50,000 of Aftermarket Mods on an Old Patrol/LandCruiser (etc) would Probably make an Even More Superior Vehicle.
Very good and informative review Ronny thanks!
Rouge over the sr5 ,wider track for better stability in high and low speed settings, rear disc brakes for better stopping especially when towing.
10k well spent
I'd like to see how it does on the moose test. I remember the stock Hilux failing that one.
@ExpatonTwoWheels most 4wd's with softer suspension designed for offroad do fail that test
@@tcmx712 would you say the Ranger Raptor is softly sprung for off-road? It completes it at 85-90 km/h, which is surprisingly faster than a Range Rover. Look up Hilux Moose test and you'll find some scary videos. Compare it to the PX Ranger and you'll see that all utes aren't created equal. I would think the wider track on the Rogue would help.
Thanks Ronny, great review! Very interested to see what Toyota do in the next couple of years with the release of the all new Prado and eventually Hilux. Unfortunately I think Toyota’s mentality of “that will do” will disappoint once again…
So great work, Ronny
If possible, may you do a short view on great wall cannon?
Thx in advance
The GR sport has a 15mm lift, different suspension and shocks, rock rails and no rear sway bar for better rear wheel articulation.
Great video mate. The reason Toyota’s rear locker turns off in low range is for durability.
Toyota recon it protects the drivetrain in extreme conditions.
Car looks awesome 👍
the seasonal tires are for marketing fuel economy, then you can throw away and put A/T on
In NZ our SR5 has 17"s and our GR Sport has BFG A/Ts stock on its 17" alloys.
100% agree with you Ron. Does value for money resonates on each model? Same, love Toyota product, tested & built with pride but we still welcome those improvement you’ve highlighted.
Great review Ron👍
I think this is just a “fill in” ute until the all new one on the new 300/Prado frame. It would make financial sense to make the whole ute wider then to fit.
Actually a cigarette lighter port is more adaptable. There are way better USB C converters that you can get than what vehicle manufacturers put in. With some converters you can charge laptops, up to 45W easily.
Best review of the rogue to date.
Out of interest what has your mate chucked in it wheel size offset ect
On my 2020 tacoma trd pro, when you turn on the rear locker, you can still turn on and off the A-TRAC traction control for the front tires
Ronny the GR Sport also has vastly upgraded suspension too. I'm looking at replacing a 1997 TX Prado and the GR looks to have the edge, particularly for my off roading and towing a 19 foot off road caravan. You're usually concise and accurate, but you're well off the mark there.
Great content Did the rogue need any mods to fit your mates 275/70’s wheels?
I got the rogue and had Roh 18 inch rims and tyres fitted , when I picked it up the manager told me the tyres just rubbed and had to remove front mudflaps not happy
The Rouge looks cool, how did the transmission temps go on the beach.?
Looks like the new rogue width is a sign of things to come for the new model.
More Off road reviews please Ronny, great content from a real 4WD'er
you forgot to comment on the rear dics thats a 5k upgrade SR5 doesnt have wheel arch flares which makes a diffents when selecting tyre and rims for an upgrade. the Rogue if you remember was a soft roader design when it came out with the rugged x so they have keet the same theme, the problem is they dont have the Rugged x anymore which was the better of the two the GR is completely different from both the rugged x and the rogue it would be good to see toyota do a wide body Ruggedx with some GR features, your a 100% right about the power and torque , they need 200kw and 600nm and higher GVM maybe 3600kg
great review i would like to know ifmore technical changes in the wideing of the track
In SA it is called the “RS” model and that “dust proof & water proof” from the roller shutter it kept the water beautifully inside the bin 🤣🤣 and my one i had to reset a lot… it would just randomly stop in the middel and not close or open again and then you need to rest it
Hi Ronny I got a 2023 rogue and I love it, except the wheels and tyres. Can you confirm what your mates wheels and tyre size is. Thanks mate
I think they should put the 1vdj in the 300 and have the v6 from the 300 as an option in ROUGEU and GR
You can get a sr5 put aftermarket flares with wider wheels and tyres on it
Fantastic review of the new 'rouge'!
Great review mate.
I'm looking at the GR version. My question - what is the tallest legal tyre size I can go up (GR factory tyre - 265/65 R17) without losing 6th gear as you stated in this review?
Thanks mate onya
There is 2 extra cup holders in the fold down middle rear seat
Is the turning circle impacted by the wider stance? Is it just wheel offset change that was used to achieve the extra width?
I laughed when I saw those Geolandars but I guess they weren't that bad in the end.
Subaru used to (maybe still do?) put them on the Forester but that's entirely different class of vehicle.
What’s the transfer case gear ratio? And what size of ring and pinion do the diffs have?
The ranger and Nissan are the only utes the keep the front traction control on when you engage the rear locker been like this for years and people only just picking up on it
Have you a test vid of a Tvan and what 4WD would you recommend to tow it
I was told years ago that they put highway tyre on to pass the licensing requirements
The 6sp "lock out" could be speed related as on my work corolla doesnt wanna go in 7th (CVT) below 80, so if your old SR5 was a 100k 6th, with the 33s it could be 120ks or something like that 🤔🤷♂️
Ronny, what brand of seat cover is that on the front seat?
Be keen to see your take on the new Raptor!
I like the deisgn of those fenders I wonder how it would fit with Arctic Truck verson of Hilux here in Europe.
Option D: 110% Raptor any day of the week! Please grab one for a test drive!
And I LoL'd hard at "if you can fix that, why can't you fix the diff on the new 70 series" hahaha good one bro, as if Toyota give a fek!
Rear locker: this is why you punt the factory button and install an Anytime diff locker 😊
I'd happily go for a grs. The three are "nearly" the same but i definitely love the look of the grs... and if it has the v6 petrol engine (with drums in the rear 😢) , that will be the perfect truck for beach, forest, sahara and the roads between them :)
What about the suspension upgrade of the GR tho. I really think it needed a front locker tho
Any chance you could do a review of the Ineos Grenadier Trialmaster edition. It's one manufacturer that offers tyre choice
Hi, Can someone recommend the top tire choices for the 2023 Indian version of the Toyota Hilux?
The width really made a difference in looks, it almost looks Arctic Truck like now
One thing you missed was the payload of each model various.
SR5 has a payload of 1075kg
GR Sport has a payload of 780kg
That's a decent difference if you're thinking of adding accessories.
well you have to remember these are for bosses and managers,
These are made for people who would rock up to job site and bark orders and leave.
They will never will have fuck all in the back of the ute.
Also having a roller shutter is useless as ute. You can fit fuck all in the back because anything slight taller wont fit with the roller door closed. Then if need a paller in the back the roller door is going to get in the way.
@@bbardy3924 uhhh someone is bitter for not being a boss 😂
well would you spend 80k on a ite. That you can use as ute. Its prob the same as landcruiser that only takes the kids to school and back. @@TheLukaszpg
@@TheLukaszpg maybe he is, but, is he wrong?
They say the traction control compensates for not having the the front locker. Also, I think in my FJ Cruiser (which is a Toyota!) the rear diff locker doesn't turn the traction control off (or at least the lights say they are still on)! So, it's strange that the 2023 Hilux can't do it!
Quite happy with my 2019 "poverty pack' SR model .
Had to go the SR5 for the extra cab $65k. I do get there’s not a huge market for the extra cab Ute but I do get a little annoyed the extra cab is being left behind when it comes to fancy extras. I’d love the wider stance and disc brakes on an extra cab. Or even the V6 engine in the Ranger in an extra cab.
But I’d rather throw the warranty out the window (I learnt with my lc200 Toyota warranty isn’t worth the conversation) and spend the extra money on some under bonnet upgrades, sound/usb/12v additions, interior upgrades, and maybe some wheels/suspension/flares/front bumper (rogue or gr) and paint protection and probably still come out with $$$ saved in the end.
I have a N70 SR extra cab and they are sooo handy!!
Some EU markets get jnvinciblex in extra cab. It looks sick. UK doesn’t 😢
How do the wider excel influence driving on two spoor tracks
Cant say im all that interested in these reviews for vehicles
More looking forward to the camping and offroading trips :)
With the wider axels can you avoid the body mount chop required in sr5 when fitting larger tires?
buy a vehicle you can fit 35,s.. std.. not a toy..with ifs..
With the wider track, I wonder how it will perform in the moose test.
Great explanation.
Get the SR5 Cruiser from New Zealand, cheaper than what you pay for a SR5 in Aussie with canopy and snorkel added
Why do you have the rear locker engaged when descending a sand dune?
What about the Ford Raptor Ranger, it comes with KO2AT tyres-why don't you test it?
Wait for the GR Sport V with the 3.3L V6 Diesel Engine 😄
I got the 2022 SR5+. The thoughts:
The brakes suck, especially now I have steal bullbar, sliders, UVP, Drawers, canopy, dual battery, etc. Looking for upgrades.
The leather seats are like milk crates with no support in the lumber or sides and hard as a rock.
Definitely needs more USB ports across all models, even my old Kia Cerato had 2.
The tailgate is heavy so like Ronny, I added gas struts and this is the best mod I've done on the car.
Sound system sucks balls.
Offroad though (beach work) it's been great.
Drive for an actual long trip and you'll find those seats hold there comfort for a long time
@@tcmx712 I have been on many long trips and they still suck IMHO.
6th gear locks up fine on my 23” rogue with 33s - drives no different to the stock tyres
The GR Sport in my mind should come out with the V6, but no doubt it would tip the 90 to 100 grand mark which really is way, way to much to spend on a duel cab from the get go.
they should have just made the whole truck larger. especially in the width department. Stretching out the wheelbase would help in the rear seat leg room. But I still love this truck
rogue in that green bronze colour all day oxide bronze🤤
That's why I'm all about save the manuals. The auto transmission on the Hilux is not that adaptable like on maybe Hondas
I bloody hope the next Lux you can use 4wd on the road to
Mean. Surly review of GR soon
I have the Gr sport. Great car and you can notice the extra power.
Low range does not disable traction control automatically
Whatever your choice, the next model will have additional features and a higher price. In the end they will all get you from A to B, far too much emphasis is placed on, for the most part, useless features which have nothing to do with durability. Revive a basic solid axle, wind up windows, manual transmission workhorse at a price thats affordable, Im sold.
Infotainment systems, cruise control, cup holders, phone connectivity, etcetera, etcetera are all features, that I personally have little use for, and certainly don't care about what others think, in terms of status.
Agree, but we seem to be a minority
We already had this spec in South Africa it's terrible the shutter stops working after a while
The Rogue seems to be more for the urban than off road market.
$80k is a lot for this. Toyota's value proposition is waning.
Same rear locker turning off traction control on the Prado. The Kakadu still maintains front TC with rear locker with Terrain control.
Ive managed to hotwire my Prado so that the front locker stays on with the rear locker, the difference is chalk and cheese. Still have the option to turn off TC altogether if I want. Its a real shame the Hilux has only changed the wheel offset to make it wider unlike the ranger that has longer control arms etc, its a cheap shitty way to do it.
Is there a 1-GRFE 4.0L V6 version like the Prado and Tacoma? 200kw is way better than 150.
Tailgate struts are a factory option, as is the snorkel.
My missus loves her brand new rogue, but we are deciding on what tyres/wheels to change to. The mud flaps are quite beefy and may restrict our choice.
Can you tell me please, what wheels and tyres your friend went for?
Maxxis Razr AT and Yokohama Geolandar.
Maxxis Razr AT:
More offroad orientated with an agressive tread pattern.
Built tough.
Versatile on and off-road.
Yokohama Geolandar:
Smooth on-road (tread pattern is oriented more towards comfort on tarmac).
Great in wet conditions.
Long-lasting.
Maxxis is great for trails and any type of offroad driving while also being fairly quiet and good on tarmac, Yokohama is perfect for city driving and a bit of offroading.
try kanati
why do they have different track width? what sense does that make in a hilux? It is not by much but still a difference between the rear and front track...
Sr5. Spend the rest on fitting it for off road
Mate , how did you find the driver's seat ? I myself didn't like the fact that you cant put it right back , well ya can but if you do i cant see over the dash . So if you move the seat up so i can see , I'm sitting in a van type position. Not good if im driving on long highway road trip . The seat is my biggest problem with the Toyota 😢
I wasn’t a fan of my SR5 seat comfort either but it does have plenty of space
The real question is when is the ranger raptor going to get the American EcoBoost engine.
what beaches are these? looks mint
Is this Robe, SA? Good sand review 👍
have they got power mode...makes a big difference in my 2018 fortuner
It's just a throttle controller not a tune
please do a review on the Hilux J series
Test at rally championship onroad and offroad for long distance competition if your car become the champion then your car is better perfect like Mitsubishi Triton
If you reduce to 16 PSI and drive for a while on sand, the pressure in the tires is going to increase due to thermal expansion. There's some likelihood that you 've been driving with >> 20 PSI after a while. You might notice this when parking for a while and having more traction afterwards.
Why does Toyota ship with road tires? I bet it's because of consumption. They can't allow to lose 2l/100km for putting adequate tires.
Review a raptor next Ronny
Not every manufacturer fits road tyres, Jeep don't, would be interesting to see a Jeep JL review.
i got 4.11 diffs, solid, 5 sp manual. 35,s. i need a 6 sp manual. 700nm.. no computer..
Why do Toyota not allow TC on the front when the rear diff is locked? That would make more sense of they don’t want to give us a front diff lock!
Forget all 3 models buy the SR and heaps more accessories with the money saved.
it's because if safety and crash test. if there is less rubber, the car is less likely to bounce of. If you have 19" wheel with low rubber you will pass the moose test easy. Same speed, same everything the car will tipp easier with more rubber in 16 oder 17 wheels. That's because.
Do the GRS next