The War of the Ring - Wars of the Legendarium
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- The War of the Ring was the primary war featured in the Lord of the Rings. There were many battles and skirmishes fought during the war, but not all of them are well known. Thank you all so much for watching, let me know your thoughts about the War of the Ring and the Lord of the Rings in the comments below! As always, a great thanks to the online artists whose visual works made this video possible! If you are one of the artists, please let me know and I will post your name and a link to your work in this description!
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Hey everyone, I hope you all enjoy the video! While the battles listed in the video are the major conflicts within the War of the Ring, there are other small skirmishes and battles that happen behind the scenes that I would implore you all to look out for during your next reading of the Lord of the Rings! And of course there are small duels and fights that are not listed in the video as well, so keep an eye out for those as well! Thank you guys so much for the support, it means a lot! See you all next week!
Mae govannen, Yoystan. It’s been a while since I’ve shown up this early. You’re doing great.
Question, what happened to your bring it to life series, I was hoping to see the ride of the Roherim.
Also, in case you didn’t know, Extra Credits is actually doing a literary breakdown of LoTR
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So when Gimli says if only he could muster a Dwaven Army, he could not like legaols said even ur people r fighting there own war. Now I see why. Thanks for the small details.
Can't you make a video (or video's) in the future, where you discuss the details of some of the events during this war? I'd like to know much more about it.
By the way, can you make a video on what events were most likely to happen when saruman and sauron would win this war?
Men of the West I feel as though it started many years before hand because of the taking of Minas Ithil as that was during the war
Pringles 2003 That’s an interesting thought! Although the Nazgûl besieged Minas Ithil in 2000 of the Third Age, more than 1000 years before the events of the Lord of the Rings. That would be a long war indeed haha.
When Tolkien had to divide Lord of the Rings into a trilogy and each volume needed a separate title The Return of the King was a title that Tolkien didn't like for the third volume because it told you what happened. He favored calling it The War of the Ring, but for one reason or another he was overridden by the publishers at George Allen & Unwin. Personally, I'm fine with either title, but it is quite an interesting piece of Tolkien trivia on a channel that broadens one's knowledge of Tolkien's writings.
I've read the reason Tolkien didn't want The Return of the King as the title was because he thought it spoiled too much of the story, since by that juncture we all knew of Aragorn's past, and that he was the rightful heir to the throne. Not certain if that's true or not though.
KTChamberlain
It's The Two Towers that's the really problematic title since no one can agree which two are meant
@@alanpennie8013 True, although if I had to pose a theory as to which towers are the titular two towers I think it would be the tower of Orthanc, and the tower of the Hornburg. On the first edition cover of The Two Towers you see a white tower on the left and then a black tower that matches the description of Orthanc. In the book of The Two Towers the Hornburg is the first tower we see in Book Three, and the second one is Orthanc. Minas Morgul appears in Book Four, and Minas Tirith's tower of Ecthelion does not appear until Book Five of The Return of the King. Again, this is just a theory...a Book Theory...sorry, I couldn't resist.
In my hypothetical remake of the trilogy, I would give them titles used for the history of LOTR.
Really? Did not know that. Thanks for that interesting tidbit.
We have the White Wizard. That's got to count for something.
@Mr Pool head to head Gandalf may have lost to th witch king of angmar. But Merry got him in the end.
@Mr Pool they were about to go head to head before the rohirrim arrived at the battle of pelenor fields.
@Mr Pool would have been an epic battle fer sure!
@Mr Pool considering he, gandalf, is a maiar, he should be more than capable
@@jangolub8240 true but his powers were limited alot in middle-earth so Witch King might have good chance to win
This is much better than the super bowl!
Those publishers were cheap. They didnt let Tolkein use red ink in printing a lot of his drawings because it was too expensive.
Tom Brady had his own ring quest going on lol! 6 super bowl rings!
The Tolkien mythos definitely has the best fan art of any universe
HERESY!
aye !
The first time I read “The Hobbit, and The Lord Of The Rings” was in 1969 when I was pregnant with my son. I know that I have read these books Numerous Times, once a year. I have probably bought the series over70, 80, times, just because. I gave numerous of them to a lot of my friends, lost a few of them, (Hopefully whoever found them, read them.) I read them every year from ‘69 to the middle 80’s, after that every 3-5 years.
But I am sorry to say that after that I have only read the series maybe a couple of times!
I was really really turned off by the movies.... and just sorta quit.... probably one of my regrets!
I just found this site and I am definitely going to read it again. Because you have made me understand so much more about the books that I never understood, but innately I did, but not the intellectual aspect of the story! (Sorry just a artist, not an intellectual.) (?) 🥴
Because in the age of America at this time.... We really really need a glimmer of hope?
Thank You!
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How did you know I'm watching the triology extended? I started at 10:30 am. I'm on the half of the return of the king. Thank you!
An hour of wolves and shattered shields when the Age of Men comes crashing down, but it is not this day!
This day we fight!
By all that you hold dear on this good earth, I bid you stand, MEN OF THE WEST!!!
The conclusions you make at the end of your videos always make me want to be a better person then I am. I like that a lot.
I thoroughly enjoyed it! Didn’t realize some of the extra battles after the black gate had taken place
Another amazing and wonderful video my friend keep up the amazing work you do my friend 🙏
Hey Yoystan! I just wanted to express my appreciation for your work. I’m not a very avid fan of LOTR but these videos really rev my engine! Thanks for all the hard work and that suave voice
I like the thumbnail, Lord of the rings conquest is one of my favorite games along with war in the north. Well met 👍
how is conquest? heard it's not that good
@@MyLife4Hayley mostly a hack' n slash game.
Very repetitive and can become boring very fast
diablo X9 true but it was fun as hell when I played it as a kid. No other game has come close to creating a huge battle experience with all the LOTR movie maps quite like Conquest.
I loved conquest
You have the best voice ever for narration Keep up the good work
All I can say is EXCELLENT!
Absolutely love your videos. I have been learning so much. By far my favorite stories ever created. I love that I can come hear and easily learn more about this world we all love so much. Thank you.
Perfect way to end my Sunday. Thanks for the upload!
The super bowl can wait.
Thank you, once again, for your wonderful channel. Your hard work and dedication brings joy and entertainment for so many, including me. You make the harsh world a bit brighter.
I hope Amazon will make a show about the Battle of Dale and Lothlorien\Woodland war against Dol Goldur. Or even better, maybe WB can make a movie or movies about them? I think Dol Goldur assault on the elves will remind us a bit of Morgoth's war against them during the F.A.
see, i just got home to be greeted with this, what a nice thing to get home to!
The Witch King: "No man can kill me!"
Eowyn: "I am no man!"
I love your lore, I’m big fan. I’ve read The Silmarillion, and of course the Lord of the rings plus the hobbit which was the first book I’ve ever read. Keep up the good work Mellon!
On the 22nd, the orcs defeated from Lothlorien invaded Rohan from the Wold. The Ents took care of them.
I do enjoy these videos do very much. I get to properly geek out in private.
You have best Lord of the rings art work I've ever seen!!!!!
Love your videos and the level of detail you put into them.
This is great. I love both movies and books.
Clearly this is the best channel on TH-cam that focuses on middle earth
Every single one of your vids should be praised for their detail and overall fun
A great video as always. You make this community happier
Niceee love these vids keep em up Yoystan ( sorry Im not sure how to spell it) Ive been a fan of the Tolkien Universe since I was born , literally haha. Love watching these vids , keep them up.
Yoystan edit: autocorrect
JarlCarl_ ty much appreciated
Saw this video just after finishing the return of the King and the appendixes , I always have a tear in my eye when I read the story of Aragorn "estel" and Arwin "evenstar"
Awesome!!!!
Very interesting
Clicked so fast on this....it’s a good day with a Men Of The West upload!!! LOVE you’re videos!
One part of the movies I didn't like was that they left out entirely the Red Arrow. Along with the beacons of Gondor the Red arrow was also a request for aid from Rhan, as well as a reminder of the oath Rohan's kings made to Gondor in exchange for the very lands they now lived on.
Much like in the Last Debate that even if all the Free Peoples of Middle Earth united together against all of Saurons forces it would've been a costly battle in which more would've been lost for the Free Peoples. Faramir implies that Sauron can afford to lose a host better than Gondor to lose a company of Men. Which is proven true at the battle of the Black Gate where Sauron had 600,000 Orcs at the battle. As for why Sauron didn't use all of his forces to attack each settlement individually (Gondor, Rohan Lothlorien, Mirkwood, Dale, Iron Hills, Erebor etc) is probably because he didn't want to give them time to build defenses. Even if he lost those battles, the War was just beginning in his mind. He had time and countless servants. Can't wait for next weeks vid!
Such a wholesome story
One of My favourite fantasy wars! Im currently Reading the two Towers again, and i love that Sauron is asking other countries For trades and demanding people to pay taxes to him otherwise He would destroy them. I think Sauron had kinda a good start, sad How it all turned out tho ^^.
By far the Men Of the West is a daily routine for me. Wouldn't miss it for anything!! I'll put them all on repeat and listen while I paint!!! Lol.
Once again another great video!! Thank you!
I was watching "The Desolation of Smaug" extended edition in 3D during the Superbowl 😅
it was very interesting learning about the other wars that were not in the movie!
Sauron really pulled out every single stop he could but finally, the free people’s were able to meet the darkness head on at every step. True story of overcoming all the odds, motivational and inspiring.
Damn! I would have LOVED to see Galadriel bring down Dol Guldur (on screen)! Great job, as always!
Better than the super bowl
yeah it was boring :( but this video was great !👍
Especially the Super Bowl that happened the day this came out. The score was low and the Patriots won. It was a super lame Super Bowl.
Was what happened with Rivendell when the Fellowship left told in the books? Like when Gloin and the others stayed there and I remember Elrond saying something like Sauron's eye is fixed on Rivendell.
Great telling
Side note,that cover is awesome.LOTR Conquest was a great game.
Okay, that thumbnail took me back my gob. Played that on splitscreen with my family a lot.
Imagine a movie or series about all the battles during the war of the ring
That would be cool
5:42 funfact, Gandalf and Erkenbrand actually came to Helm Deep with 1500 men on foot, not riders
Prince Imrahil of Dol Amroth seems like a bad ass. What more do we know about him?
Denio93
You can learn a little more about his house (and his part elvish ancestry) from the Book of Lost Tales.
@@alanpennie8013 cool thanks!
LOL the CC is kinda funny! Durins Bane was called Dude in Spain LOL
+1 for LoTR: Conquest splash image.
Good ole' Pandemic days.
Would Galadriel actually have much power? Her main power came from her ring of power, which was broken of the destruction of the one ring. Seeing the light before the sun and moon gave her greater knowledge and wisdom than other elves, but I believe her throwing down the walls of Dul Goldor was more of a symbolic act of cleansing that part of the forest.
Excellent once again!!! Cheers
First of all I really like your videos, as they are entertaining and I like your way of telling the storys and how you use your voice. Concerning this video I've got a question. Can we be sure that there have been no further battles during the war of the ring? I only read the published Lord of the Rings and not the History of Middle Earth, but I always wondered if there was a siege of the Celduin or the Ered Luin. Furthermore is there any record on how many occasions Eomer saved Rohan from a potential thread by Dunlendings or Wargs and Orks. Furthermore Gandalfs talk of 'what might have been' makes me think there have been further threads the readers were not directly made aware of. I would cite the Passage, but I haven't got my Lord of the rings with me. I will when I think of it.
Great video I very much enjoy your content but I could enjoy it even more with two videos a week 😁
Best moment of the week!!
The thumbnail is from a Lord of the Rings game, I loved that game
The movies are so great, but I would have loved to see the Battle of Bywater!
Thanks for another great video!
Strategically, I think Sauron focusing all his attention on Gondor, while maybe worse for our side in terms of the results, I think would still end in failure for him and I think he knew that. Sauron was completely insane and one can even argue foolish, but he was far from stupid. He learned from his last mistakes and worked to correct them for his next attempt. Since it was a united alliance of elves and men that took him down previously, I imagine his strategy was to keep the free peoples completely separated from one another. Divide and conquer, as they say. If he hadn’t, I imagine the Lothlorien elves might have lent more aid like they did in the films or perhaps the dwarves may have even sent aid as well. It may seem far fetched, but I don’t doubt Gandalf might have been able to convince the northern kingdoms to aid in the situation if things were different and they weren’t under such pressure. But that’s just me and I imagine that’s exactly what Sauron didn’t want. And considering this was likely his last chance to take Middle Earth before Dagor Dagorath, I doubt he wanted to take any risks and let his enemies unite like last time.
As always, this was a great video dude and I look forward to more content in this fascinating world Tolkien made XD
I wish we had more info on the Battle of the Dale. It sounds like such an epic confrontation and all we have is a footnote.
Oh snap this is the video we have always needed
A question I’ve always wondered. In the battle of the last alliance, where were the Dwarves?
Monday mornings would not have been the same without "Men of the West" great content! ^^ always looking forward to a new episode
The Nazgul were remarkably inactive between TA 2002 and their attack on Osgiliath over a thousand years later
Gothmog was long dead by the time of the war of the ring, slain by Ecthelion of the Fountain during the fall of Gondolin.
There was an orc named gothmog that was a general as well.
@@angmysterio
And can Balrogs be permanently killed? We know elves can't be.
@@alanpennie8013 balrogs are Maiar that are in the same class as Gandalf, Saruman and Sauron. there physical bodies can die from enough damage but their spirits are immortal. Since the balrogs became corrupted and followed melkor , whenever they died their spirits would be sent into the void along with melkor.
@@angmysterio Whaaaaaaaaat?!?! That's crazy.
david miller he’s in the movies too, as the pale deformed Orc in the Pelannor field
Thanks for the upload.
While I love the video, I'm a bit curious as to how you reached the numbers of 100 000 men on the side of the free peoples. From what I know, Gondor was only able to muster no more than 13-15 000 including the reinforcements Aragorn brought with him. Rohan brought 6000 riders. The wiki says Dale had about 50 000 men, but I couldn't source that. To be honest, this is one of the most frustrating areas for me with the lack of information on it. From what I have read, Eriador is fairly sparsely populated, after the dissolution of Arnor. There are only a few areas that still have centralized leadership in Mithlond, Rivendell, and Thorin's Halls.
The only active military force per say are the Rangers. But Tolkien doesn't give any concrete numbers. The only references are obviously to the Grey Company, which numbered 30. Of course those were only the ones that could be gathered on short notice, so you have to consider how long was spent looking for them. It is unfortunate that we don't know the scope of their activities either. Going by Karen Fonstad's atlas, Eriador's width is about 550 miles from the Blue Mountains to the Angle. She also lists Arnor circa 1050 as being around 248 540 square miles. We know they patrolled the Shire and parts of Bree Land, but little else. Although I'm fairly certain they had a presence in the Angle.
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Rohan: 12,000
Gondor: 20,000
Dale: 3,000
@@barkley8285 Where did you get those numbers.
kiwipile We’re told multiple times the Full muster of the rohirrim is 12,000. Theoden even says he could get 10,000 men to go to Minas tirith.
Dale isn’t that big and had a couple hundred in the battle of 5 armies. Due to how fast men repopulate and how big dale was by the end of the 3rd age I estimate 2-3,000.
Gondor has a couple thousand at osgiliath and rangers in ithilien (like faramirs company) and they battled orcs for weeks so many probably died. At Minas tirith they had like 6-7,000 defending against the witch kings army. Aragorn saves thousands of gondorian slaves and tells many men to go to Minas tirith. In the great debate Aragorn mentions that when they leave the city will be better defended when it was to begin with. He says over 4,000 men are marching to Minas tirith. Imrahil even days they could have 20,000.
Just today I got the “war of the ring” board game! Hahaha what are the chances 😂
Nice work dude thanks
I wonder, and I don't remember if it happened or not in the books, but did Frodo or Sam ever tell Gandalf that it was Gollum that actually caused the destruction of the ring, and that Frodo, finally at the end, fell into complete sway of the power of the ring?
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That's a very good question. I think the answer is that Gandalf foresaw what would happen so there was no need for either to be debriefed about the destruction of the Ring.
@@alanpennie8013 Gandalf may have suspected as such, but was Gandalf told his suspicions were correct? Was it put into the REd book of Westmarch?
@@Shaden0040
The account of Frodo's quest in the Book is supposed to have been written by Frodo himself though likely revised by others afterwards. It would
have been cool to have varying accounts of the destruction of The Ring, as we actually do for Bilbo finding it.
@@alanpennie8013 Yup the Redbook was first written by Bilbo of his adventures, then Frodo and finally Sam of his, with help from Merry and Pippin, Gimli and Legolas, as well as the Lore from the Wise (Probably, Gandalf, Elrond and possibly even Galadriel). The book was given to Sam's eldest Daughter Elanor. Copies were given to Merry and Pippin, and a copy was given to the Libraries of Gondor and (Probably) Arnor. It wouldn't surprise me is a copy even went to the west with Frodo or Sam.
@@Shaden0040
Your knowledge of Red Book lore is impressive.
Where do you get your artwork? I love the thumbnail clip for this video!!
Sauron did the best thing sending his forces against the Men of Dale, the Dwarves and the Elves of Mirkwood and Lothlorien, else they would have entered the fray against the forces of Sauron at Gondor, he kept them occupied.
Love the content brother! Keep it going!
Was there anything with Illuvatar before Arda was made. .
What a great way do end my adventure (aka weekend)
always looking forward to these uploads. Another great video. If you could learn any language whether it was Elvish (Sindarlin, Quenya or other Elvin languages) or Dwarvish language Khuzdul, or any other languages in Middle-Earth (if there are any others) and why? Thanks.
Adria Taylor I’ stuck between Sindarlin or Khuzdul because the elves always carry a mystical air to the way they speak and it always sounds awesome. Seriously, they could say, “You’re a complete stupid asshole and I hope you walk on legos forever” and it’ll sound majestic. As for the dwarves, they just sound so badass and I guess because I connect so much with the dwarves the most out of all the peoples. XD
The Fall of Gondolin is epic, the kin slaying is epic, but the most epic battle would be the War of Wrath.
My question is this. I’ve always wondered what happened to the Uruaki once Saurumon was defeated? Did they dissipate and move out, or did they join sides with Sauron? Never put much thought into, but now that I recall not knowing what happened with them, this has now piqued my curiosity
Didn't they all die in the battle of Helm's Deep?
@@valentinom.4292 I don’t know, I feel like some of them fled at the sight of Gandalf storming down the mountain
I had no idea the Easterlings fought in Dale! Neat. I guess the dwarves weren’t immune to the war after all (if you exclude the battle of the five armies)
Oh they did. With 200.000 warriors. More than all sauron forces in pelennor fields
Press F for King Under The Mountain Dain Ironfoot and King Bain of Dale
War war war...If only morgoth had shut up during the songs of the valar which would be the blue print of all of Arda.
Can you do a video on the differences between goblins and orcs?
@Donny Stormer I love Tolkiens work... but I have often wondered about goblins vs orcs... I don't remember it being explained.... thanks for the input!
"What if the Fellowship went towards the gap of Rohan?"
or
"What if Denethor got the ring, either from Boromir or Faramir?"
Hi love your channel
can you make a video about the two blue wizards and the dark land and the land of the sun
Why are almost all battles in March? On 15th of March, my birthday, are: Mirkwood, Lothlorien, Pellenor fields...
when the content of your favorite franchise is so little that you have to talk about a "battle" that was no battle
Can you make a video off all the books that belong in the world of arda and tolkien's legendarium.
why did you remove the battle cry from your videos? :(
Why didn't Sauron summon Durins Bane to his side before it's death?
I am eldest, that's who I am!
Nice thumbnail, Lord of the rings conquest.
YES.
This video really aroused a question I've had for a while which is what I'd the true power of the urukhai? Now you state the horn of Helm hammerhand unleashed fear in the ranks of isengard. Yet when the soldiers of isengard raided the fellowship at amon hen the horn of gondor had was not said to drive fear in the ranks even though it did to the goblins of Moria. This strikes me as odd as most of saruman's forces at this battle were orcs of moria, only a select few were the urukhai and they were described as large and strong, alike to how they are portrayed in the movies. But it is also stated that saruman did not use these uruks as his guards, yet the dunlandings, in fact the dunlandings were supposedly the cream of the crop in saruman's army. There are many people who say the uruks were on the lesser side of men but many also who consider them greater In combat and loyalty. So I would like yours or someone's outlook on this topic
It is said that the Horn of Gondor borrowed Boromir some time when he sounded it, but when no answer came, the orcs went back and attacked him.
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And they did not dare attack him hand to hand but killed him with arrows.
I always wondered how Aragorn’s line is connected to ar Pharazôn I know there Elendil was related to I’m but has it ever been stated how?
Theres a video on Geekzone channel that is called The Ring of Barahir. On that video he explain well enough who were all the people who wore that ring and also it tells about Aragorn' bloodline.
this interested me so i did some research. they are connected through their lineage of the 4th king of numenor. He had 3 children, his oldest child was Silmarien, a daughter, and his second child was Isilme another daughter.and a son named Tar-Meneldur. Because of laws back then didnt allow women to rule so his son Tar-Meneldur succeeded him, becoming the 5th king of Numenor (this is the line all future numenorean kings including Ar-Pharazon are descendants of ).
Silmarien's (the 4th king's oldest child) descendants would be known as Lords of Andúnië, and their followers would be faithful to the Valar. The final lord would be Elendil, father Isildur and Anarion. since he did not partake in Ar-pharazon's attack on the Valar, he and The Faithful were given safe passage to middle earth. They would found Arnor and Gondor and Aragorn would be the descendant of isildur.
long story short.
4th numenorean king -
Oldest daughter( Aragorn is a descendant of hers)
Oldest Son- (Ar-Pharazon is a descendant of his)
@@angmysterio
Thanks. So the family would have been kings of Numenor had the law of succession been altered a little earlier.
@@alanpennie8013 yes. that same law was later changed by a future king to allow his daughter to rule numenor