The War of Wrath - Wars of the Legendarium
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- The War of Wrath was the final war in the First Age of Middle-earth, and it ended in the overthrowing of Melkor (Morgoth). Thank you all so much for watching, please let me know what you think about the War of Wrath in the comments below! I appreciate the support! As always, a great thanks to the online artists whose visual works made this video possible! If you are one of the artists, please let me know and I will post your name and a link to your work in this description!
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The war of wrath and the original clash between the Valar and Morgoth remind me of the wars between the Olympians and Titans in Greek Mythology.
Morgoth is basically something between Satan and Cronos when you think about it.
@@MyPrideFlagcronos wasn't evil and he was the ruler of the deities for a time. Neither of which suit melkor
@@disturbed157 Cronos was pretty evil.
It's not like Zeus was "good" but that's another issue.
Eating his own babies definitely makes him evil.
I compare Melkor to Cronos mainly based on his descripton after arriving on Arda."He was like a majestic giant (his feet was wading in the sea and his head reached clouds) but gloomy and terrifying." He was basically a titan at that point, towering over mountains and all the other Ainurs.
Manwe had strong similarities to Zeus (and Odin) but mainly the former. But he was much more pure than Zeus.
And I think comparison to Lucifer is self-explanatory. Strongest angel grows jealous of God's creation and rebels, then goes on to corrupt mankind and the world.
We know this story.
The three dislikes are Morgoth, Sauron, and Ancalagon.
And eight balrogs, from the look of it. Though I would have expected them to start a flame war...
@@losthor1zon that's a different video, Yoystan hasn't done it yet.
I did not dislike.
Well, they like Tolkien's contemporaries the Soviet leadership in the real world do make excellent villains, as far as quality goes.
Easterlings too
Eonwe’s compassion for Sauron would have disastrous consequences for Middle-Earth, just as Manwe’s compassionate release of Melkor from the Halls of Mandos had before. A little less compassion and a little more caution from the Valar would have saved countless lives.
Eonwe was going to bring Sauron to Valinor for a trial, but sauron escaped.
I suspect it would have been difficult for any of the Valar to fully accept that their sibling, a fellow direct creation of Eru Ilúvatar, could be truly beyond redemption. After all, if that was the case, it would raise some uncomfortable questions about that fallibility and intent of their creator.
No - Eonwe told Sauron to go to Valinor of his own accord and ask for forgiveness. Sauron said he would, and Eonwe believed him and let him go. Idiot.
Regarding Manwe and his unchaining of Melkor ... it's amazing how simple-minded some of the commentators are on this thread. The basic thing to keep in mind is that Manwe was free from evil, and could not comprehend it. It raises an interesting philosophical question: must one have evil in them in order to comprehend its nature and does being free from evil require that one must be ignorant of it's properties? Put more simply: does it take one to know one?
@Karl Quetzacoatl, amazing reply.
I love the nice morals at the end of these videos, the wholesomeness makes me smile.
I've been meaning to comment that for some time 👍
Earendil was a mariner
Who tarried in Avernian
He built of boat of timber felled
In Nimbrethel, to journey in
I had not realized that the War of Wrath spanned decades. Albeit implied in The Silmarillion. I daresay that the War was totally epic, but was rather lacking in detail. Compared to the Battle of Unnumbered Tears.
Absolutely agreed. I just re-read Silmarillion, and after reading the "War of Wrath" chapter, even though it has an absolutely huge scale, I couldn't help but fell underwhelmed because it was described too broadly.
Yes, it is quite unfortunate for the Tolkien fan and scholar alike that this war, the largest engagement by far in the whole of the legendarium, to have been condensed thus. It could have been expanded to a small book in and of itself if commensurate detail applied to LOTR events were similarly expanded upon to the War of Wrath. Four decades is an _enormous_ amount of time!
@@jamesaron1967 lotr have 2 decades so logic war of whrath mast have 2 books like lotr.
@Aung Un'Rama You're referring to the War of the Powers between the Valar and Melkor; wherein the Valar laid siege to Utumno and Tulkas apprehended Melkor who was then imprisoned for three ages? Could be but debatable...
It's pretty much written as, "Imagine the most epic thing ever. It was way more epic than that. The end."
In the Silmarillion, I really like that the War of Wrath is most mysterious major battle of the First Age. It fits nicely with the devastation wrought on Middle Earth in the sense that very little evidence or accounts survive besides some broad details, and it leaves picturing the conflict up to reader's minds, where it's bound to be more terrible than anything Tolkien could've written down.
6:19 It took me three Silmarillion read throughs, to realize that the Valar chopped off Melkor's feet when he was captured. LOL
So Morgoth was in great pain when he was captured. Also in the Legendarium he was beheaded by Irmo or Mandos the Judge and Executioner. His spirit was thrown into the VOID.
So how did Melkor move around after getting both his feet chopped off? Did they give him a Valinor wheel chair or something??
@@csdr0 void. Sounds like computer programming
Well deserved. @@csdr0
The War of Wrath was honestly so cataclysmic. It probably is one of the most influencial battles in the entire Legendarium. I really wish that Belarand never got sunk into the sea though. A lot of it was so beautiful (especially the Forests of Doriath), but hey, the battle was so cataclysmic so what do ya expect? lol. :)
Paul A. That is very true. :)
Sometimes fixing continuity requires the destruction of entire continents, Tolkien was right to do it.
true same way i wish the numenorians weren't so dumb that resulted in it sinking but the lands under the sea will return
@Aung Un'Rama Yes, a war but in the context of the larger 'War of the Jewels' it was the decisive 'battle' so to speak.
@Aung Un'Rama and what's sad is that we will never see it. Tolkien has already left this world, to where, only Eru Ilúvatar knows.
I honestly felt so fulfilled when I first read about the War of Wrath in the Silmarillion. Like, previously when reading about Dagor Bragollach and Nirnaeth Arnoediad I was legitimately crying because I loved so many of the characters that died, and so many beautiful realms were destroyed, so when this battle came to pass I was like "Yeah, take that Morgoth you prick"
Definitely my favourite battle of the legendarium~ the definition of revenge lol
Great video like usual yoystan, this is one of the most epic battles in all of fantasy! Children of Hurin video soon please!
The field is lost
Everything is lost
The black one has fallen from the sky and the towers in ruins lie
The enemy is within, everywhere
And with him the light, soon they will be here
Go now, my lord, while there is time
There are places below
And you know them too
I release thee, go
My servant you'll be for all time
As you command
My king
I had a part in everything
Twice I destroyed the light and twice I failed
I left ruin behind me when I returned
But I also carried ruin with me
She, the mistress of her own lust
War of Wrath was the end of Morgoth's terror which was absolutely necessary for the free peoples survival as not even Sauron's Dark Days were as terrible. If Morgoth had not been overthrown all the free peoples would have eventually perished and l think even the Easterlings who fought on his behalf would have been betrayed and destroyed. The Silmarillion said Morgoth feared men even though he found them easy to deceive and serve him. I figure he feared them because they could just as easily turn against him. I would imagine that strife probably occurred between his men and his more evil servants like orcs. l can't find a single reference in the Legendarium of men taking orders from orcs, not a one.
Wrong, Morgoth has one final trick up his sleeve.
Glenn Ross are you referring to the final battle of Dagor Dagorath? I think that it isn't relevant to my soliloquy as Morgoth in the Emptiness of his banishment had no idea of the coming final Battle at that time. We are not talking of a real place of course, except for in the imagination. The legendarium leaves room to speculate and l would like to hear yours in regards to what you stated?
Mountain Fisher If you take the angle that the history of middle-earth is in our own deep past, then dagor dagorath has not yet happened, which means if the legendarium was real then dagor dagorath is going to happen in our future, a brilliant move by Tolkien because essentially the story of middle earth has not ended yet, thus a never ending story, so going by this angle, Morgoth is still behind the door of night waiting, just waiting....
@@glennross85 I've read that some Tolkien scholar(s) approximated the events at the end of the Third Age and start of the Fourth Age to have taken place roughly ten thousand years from the present. How they arrived at this figure heaven knows. If accurate, then Morgoth has had countless 'tricks' up his sleeve since that time if we consider all the evils that have befallen humanity and stricken the world itself following Sauron's defeat. Morgoth doesn't need his greatest lieutenant or any other servant to be incarnate. Gazing upon events both current and past, one would be convinced Morgoth won, or is on the road to victory.
How dare you! I am a much more Evil dude than Morgoth he has nothing on me!
Good lessons, nay, excellent lessons, especially for myself to remember that you've discerned from the War of the Wrath in Tolkien's works. I thank thee from the very core of my being for this description, Sir.
24 hours for giant eagles and flying ship elf commander fighting a super gigantic black dragon. That is epic.
Thank you for your work! I especially appreciate how you often sum up with the appropriate virtues of the free peoples in the episode. It's important for us all to remember that these virtues are the greatest of weapons in the long term, the measure of what elevates good over evil. Even in quiet lives, these virtues can improve the world.
Beleriand in ruins after the War of Wrath
"The damage is not too bad. As long as the foundations are still strong, we can rebuild this place. It will become the fairest land in all of Arda and a haven for all Children of Illuvatar."
Beleriand sinks into the ocean
"Oh, now those foundations are gone. Sorry."
Wise words from korgoror the first stone giant who fought along the free people’s during this battle and then went to father the other stone giants we see in the legendarium!
Thanks yostan!!!! Lovely vid. Waited for this since an 'age'. There are ppl literally on the other end of arda that await and define their Mondays with your videos. Now "that's an encouraging thought"
Absolutely amazing as always man. Those themes you said at the end struck home for me I'm always trying too live with loyalty, compassion and forgivness
...something to look forward to on Sundays...thank you for having a regular posting day...it very much helps me not miss an installment...
Thank you so much for your work and effort you put into this channel! Keep up the excellent work you are doing.
It's interesting how close the race of hobbits are to the grey havens, basically the gateway to heaven
For some reason Morgoth is my favorite character in Tolkien's legendarium.
I always am enjoying your synopsis and lesson at the end! Thank you for these wonderful, beautiful videos!
can you do a video about the northern theater of the war of the ring like the war going on in erebor?
Rhydon Dude this
omg , i have been waiting for this, great video as always
This is one of my favorite topics of the legendarium. Great work Yoysten!
Great video, as always. I'm so glad I found this channel.
My favorite part about sundays
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your great at explaining these characters in so much detail respect brotha
I wouldn't say it's my favorite but I do find it one of the most interesting, you've done an excellent job of chronicling the end of the First Age as you do with all your videos, well done.
Awesome I love learning more about the battles of middle earth! Thank you for this awesome video!!!
And i know it, that morgoth during the war of wrath had a great many orcs, some Easterlings, remaining balrogs, dragons, some wolves and some werewolves, and I believe that most of Morgoth's host of the north during the war of wrath were mostly orcs. And a late but extremely great video as always Men of the West.
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Thank you again, for making these video's my friend
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Amazing video, Yoystan!
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Great vid as always.
Love the video
was looking forward to this video
Yo, I love this battle, always a pleasure yoystan.
Your enchanting voice give me desire to read again Tolkien Stories
Such a fascinating way to tell the story...!!totally engagement , great graphics and music
Have a fantastic summer men of the west
It's crazy to see all of the lands under water after the War of Wrath and how it changed the landscape of middle earth. I wasn't aware it was fought for so long. I thought the Valar just swept over Morgoths force like the Numenor ships. Great video and art work as usual.
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Awesome!!! Keep Up The Amazing Work!!!
The battles in the second and third age were way smaller then the battles of the first age.
I always look forward to a new video Yoystan :D
I cannot wait for the amazon series!! Hurry up already!!
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If this is ever to be made into a movie, it will be THE most epic battle in any movie ever
Awesome episode!
Please do one about Túrin Turambar
I always wondered how the Eagles really could've fought with the Dragons, and how Earendil slew Ancalagon. I know it's a fantasy and shouldn't think to much on it. But I just have too! The Eagles even with their might talons couldn't breath fire, didn't have scales to protect them from behind, but, maybe they harnessed lightning like when they used it against the Men of Numenor and even slew them. they I would love to hear people's suggestions on how Earendil slew Ancalagon. I personally think that maybe Thorondor used his mighty talons to expose Ancalagons heart and then Earendil probably used a great spear and with all his might hurled it at Acalagon and that's how he fell.
Dragorath Tatsu it was probably with the aid of the silmaril in his possession
I think he probably had a bow with magic arrows that could penetrate dragon scales like they were snakeskin, and arrowheads that continuously burned the dragon’s flesh from within, like phosphorus. The quiver of arrows likely replenished magically so he would never run out of arrows.
Or maybe people just overexagerate how big Ancalagon was and it didn't take any wild nonsensical feats like that to kill him.
Dragorath Tatsu The eagles of Manwe are far more powerful than the eagles from The Lord of the Rings. They could've had feathers made of steel for all we know.
Tim Smith that’s Beleg Strongbow then
Yoystan, you did a brilliant job with this vid man! It was great! (P.S. my favorite war or battle from all of tolkin's legendarium is the war of the rings.)
A great episode and necessary listening for all Tolkien fans! Absolutely love the War of Wrath, it is probably my third favourite in the Legendarium of Tolkien.
Great video man love it :) I think Amazon should hire u as a consultant for the new show haha. This would b a great subject for a season of that show instead of what we already mostly know (Aragon origin story). I hope u do comparison videos when the show comes out so we can clearly see what they get right and wrong about it. Until the ill just enjoy these videos ^_^
Great video!
Bloody awesome tales.
The Silmarillion is one of my all time favorite epics.
*clicks thumbs up before even watching because I KNOW I will like it, am not disappointed* love the War of Wrath! 'Oh, you hounded our Elves for centuries? time to fix it' -busts continent-
War of wrath is one of my favorite story of Tolkien's. Although Dagger Dagoroth would have been nice to see as a story.
Thank you I enjoy your story's so very much
You did my suggestion! (And a lot more) it’s really awesome that you’re so responsive to your fans, keep up the great work!
Apparently it's because of this war that the Valar decided that they were not going to fight Sauron themselves and decided to stoop to indirect means of defeating him. "Oh he's the free peoples problem so they should fight him!"
Paul A; That is just conjecture and isn't found in any writings, in the Akallabeth the Numenoreans captured Sauron at one point, it's in the Silmarrillion book. The Valar sent the wizards to contest the will of Sauron. Also find it in the appendix of ROTK.
Hasan Wilson it wasn’t just from the war of wrath but also the war of the powers that the valar realized what would happen if they entered the fight
yes the war of the powers was why the valar took so long to get involved.
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You forgot the lord of the Vanyar, either Ingwe (according to the Silmarillion) or his son according to later unpublished but probably more accurate material. The host of Valinor was made up of Eldar of Alan, namely the Vanyar and the remainder of the Noldor who had remained in Tirion under Finarfin
Well put :)
Tolkien was a genius!
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What if Fingolfin never challenged Morgoth?
We would miss one of the most awesome fights in all of Tolkiens work. And the single most badass moment in the history of middle earth.
Exactly the elf who called out a god
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And got broken in half lol
@@AlphaQHard After wounding him 7 times and causing a permanent limp
@@AlphaQHard your mind set is lame
I wish there were more details about it, as i remember it in the book the description was rather short and simple for what must've been the largest and bloodiest war in middle-earth's history.
This is indeed the best battle in the fantasy World. Tolkien is well deserving of the title : "The Father of Modern Fantasy" His world is so detailed and it just draws everyone into the story :D Yoystan would you concider doing an epic character History on Gandalf? Gandalf is in my opinion one of the most influential characters in the Lord of the Rings and his history is quite fascinating and interresting. Btw love all of your videos :D
Awesome
The most epic battle Arda would ever see.
Wow visuals from the Rise of Mordor mod? Daayum nice!!
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I knew of the battle since it was mentioned on Blind Guardian's "Nightfall in Middle-Earth"-album. Then I read the Silmarillion for the first time and was so damned bummed because this epic battle of battles was wrapped up in like two pages of reading or something. I highly recommend the album though!
What’s great about Mondays xD Love it!
Could you do a video on Fingolfin sometimes? That’d be awesome :P
Yeah one of my favorite story's.
would be a sick movie
I don’t understand the geographical logic of how the hill of Himling can remain above the waves, while all the mountaintops of northwestern Beleriand were all vanished beneath the waves.
Tim Smith the mountains were likely partially destroyed during the war
Maybe the valar purposefully left it intact? Knowing its significance, maybe they left it as a symbol of respect and sacrifice
love this story
This battle feels like
Evil Side:
Evil Dark Lord: Morgoth one of the greatest valor to exist
His Lieutenant: Suaron of the Miar
The Belorongs: not introduction needed
The Dragons: we burn down 13 cities this morning by coiffing in the general direction
The Orcs: who were countless in this battle
The Good Side:
The Valor: basicly gods
The Miar: basicly minor deities
The Elves: basicly demigods
Ledgensdary dwarf: With great magical equipment and weapons beyond believe
and the humans: who were their mostly for moral support I mean seriously it seams everyone their outmatched us
JK obviously.
”humans for moral support” hahahahahahahhahahahahaahahahha that s so good hahahahahahahahahhahaha
oh this is gonna be good.
Thanks for the nice video.
Could you please explain more about door of night, where Melkor has been banished?
nothing is more badass than a flying yatch....
5:50 that it's one big goddamn dragon. Somebody invent jaegers!
Ancalagon the black would eat Jeagers for breakfast. He's the size of a small mountain range.
@@anatoldenevers237 I think he is around 1-2km
@Men of the West I know you're a busy man but would there be a possibility to do a "What if Turin Turambar had defeated glaurung on the bridge of Nargothrond." Just a suggestion for a future video.
Yoysten i love ya bro!
Your always mentioning Dagor-Dagorath!
As a die hard fan of Tolkien's works i very much like the idea of Dagor-Dagorath!
Regardless of whether J.R.R. Tolkien himself did away with it. It is doubtful that he would begrudge his fans clinging onto the idea itself as a possibility within his Legendarium.
Man if the war of wrath is going to be adapted, it would cost so much money for sure.
Watching this i cannon imagine how anyone could reproduce this in cinema form with the utter devastation of beleriand being too great to dream of
"Before the rising of the sun Eärendil slew Ancalagon the Black, the mightiest of the dragon-host, and cast him from the sky; and he fell upon the towers of Thangorodrim, and they were broken in his ruin."
I can't believe so many people can't read this line as it is. So many people look at those silly size charts, then go around saying that he must have been miles wide because he "crushed a mountain range". Yet it only says he broke the towers of thangorodrim, yes they were very tall, but that he were also hollow like smoke stacks, since they were often used to issue forth toxic gass. Further he was bred in angband, so it is only natural that he was small enough to fit in the caverns. If he was the size of a mountain he mine as well have destroyed the mountains on the way up.
Luke Warila The issue is, they were very far apart - hence where the size comes into play. Now, I agree with you and do not think he was that big by any means. He would have to fit in the pits of Angband, be fed, etc. Sure, he was the biggest of dragons, yet why would he be THAT MUCH (as indicated by size charts) bigger than those whom had similar time to grow, food, etc? He wouldn't as far as logic goes.
I believe people are misinterpreting the passage. Sure, upon falling he hit the collection of peaks, yet I believe the Hosts of Valinor were the ones to level the mountain range. The host literally "(broke the mountains) in his ruin". "his ruin" meaning the corpse.
Maybe he ate the smaller dragons. That's why he such a big boy.
I find it difficult, if not impossible to believe that those such as Ulmo, Orome and most especially Tulkas would just sit out this legendary war. I believe that Eonwe was the commander of their armies, while the Valar took more support roles, defending the host as they sailed to beleriand from watchers in the water, hunting terrible beasts that would cause harm to the hosts if unleashed and uprooting fortresses full of evil that were once good, like Tol in Gauroth. Countering any spellcraft from Angband to prevent another sudden flame, uprooting the iron hell, breaking down Angbands gates and especially beating the iron crown into a collar. I think at least those 3 would never miss the chance to take Morgoth down for good.
I'd love to see a video about Turin. Just read his story in the silmarillion.
amazing, TY! when a video about the Great Eagles? please please please
Almost at 100k!! Are you going to do any special video for this milestone?
I want to see the war of wrath in a movie or video game. That would be awesome!
Great work. Can you please do a video about Pipe Weed? And how Hobbits were the first to put it in pipe...
Would it be outside of the scope of this channel to explore the folklore origins of the Middle Earth beastiary and topics like it to discover where Mr. Tolkien obtained the roots for material he included in his own? Study of origins in external folklore is very Tolkien-ish. I imagine such an undertaking would require much conjecture and supposition, but I think it would be interesting.
Oweeeee so epic... I wish one I can see it... imagine the size of the Dragon???? He was the size of a small city... watching such huge creature of death flying on the sky might had been so frighthening...
can you make a video explaining the void and the doors of night please? there’s a lot of mention of them but they don’t have their own specific video.
This would make an awesome series on tv.