Can we just appreciate how much testing Angry Turtle goes through just for one weapon and every aspect of the it. Thanks turtle, your videos are really informative and I appreciate the time you take to make them. :)
I don't like the hitboxes when using the auto axe in third person. so I've been using first person and noticed the maxed swing speed on it, really want a 40% damage secondary with vampires.
I have an executioner’s chainsaw and I greatly prefer it to the Auto Axe. I bought the double arm and flame mods for a few caps from the Watoga train station and I carve through most everything in literally 3 seconds. And I didn’t need to grind Stamps for it.
@@Mark-vl9gc I’ve found the box mod for dual bar exactly once at a train station, it is a rare box mod (relative to the common flamer and long bow mods) but you can just scrap some chainsaws to learn the dual bar.
I agree with you. I have a half dozen really awesome chainsaws that are faster on the draw. Maybe when I finally get a vampire or AA, I will feel different. UPDATE. I did get an auto Axe Vampire and AA. I still use the vampire chainsaw.
My first chainsaw was a ffr and it rips in a fever second with dbl bar. It’s not vampire, but don’t need it. The interruption to the enemies attacks is enough, especially shooty type enemies. The only weird I have noticed while using chainsaw or chainaxe is when you jump on an enemy while holding the fire button, you get a weird stuttering affect with your attacks, but if you run or walk up to an enemy the stuttering affect is non-existent. Hope this helps.
New to the game and I was trying to find out if the Martial Arts perk helps with any of these heavy 2 handed weapons, like Sledgehammers, chainsaws, and auto-axes.
So the swing speed prefix on a chainsaw is effected by this as well? Can confirm in first person the difference in damage with the chainsaw is beyond noticeable!
Thanks Turtle it’s amazing to me that during the whole Pitt development cycle they were going to revamp auto melee and have failed so miserably! I really want a review of less ap vs ap on kill on auto axe as I find I struggle to keep grinding through mobs (non PA but unyielding) without it stalling. Cheers
Consider adding the Aerodynamic mod to your arms. It's less efficient than Optimized Bracers on PA arms, but it still massively improves AP consumption on auto melees.
That's pretty much what some people have stated in the comments in some previous AA videos. That made me go for 40% power attack effect instead (thanks guys). I don't understand one thing though. Why when you switch to a weapon with 40% swing speed you also equip martial artist ? I thought the point was to show the difference for legendary effect alone ?
Thx for the video it answers a lot of questions, out of curiosity tho can auto axe compete with chainsaw at all? i got a double bar flaming vampire 40% more power attack damage chainsaw and i wonder if a similar row electrified or fire auto axe could compete
So, does this mean, for the moment it's best to drop martial artist and max out on slugger perks with auto axe in first person? Which is the only real perspective I play in.
Thanks for the sweet science for Auto-Melee! I rock an Overeaters Hellcat PA with Auto-Axe Anti-Armor 40 dmg for Pitt runs. Still rolling on legendary Chainsaws. Can’t go back to my Shredder.
If you're talking about a baseball bat with faster swing speed, that makes sense but with the auto axe faster swing speed sould only effect the swing speed with bashing.
Hey Turtle, did you guys notice in The Pitt that limb damage doesn't work? We used shotguns/enforcer, fixers/tormentor and Heavy Guns/ one gun army. Even targeting the limbs with concentrated fire, they don't cripple. It's like they all have adamantium skeleton on. Thought since you're a PTS guy you might know about or why this is happening?
@@AngryTurtle I did that with my pepper shaker build. But I honestly have to say there's alot of kinks in Pitt that need working out. Just wanted to pick your brain about the limb dmg not working with either Perks or as Legendary Perk. Thanks for replying and your time.
Hey Turtle, I don't know if this has been addressed previously by you or not, but I've noticed my AP lasts considerably longer in 3rd person than 1st person with a chainsaw. So, if I have a swing speed chainsaw, does that mean I'm better off using it in 3rd person only?
@ANGRY Turtle - 1st person is way easier to use these weapons as well. In 1st person 2nd star power attack is best then what is the 3rd star best option?
Actually just got my first chainsaw today with faster swing speed. I never use melee weapons though. I have a whole box full of bloodied melee weapons with faster swing speed in my box. Gotta start scrapping them soon to make room. Started playing again after a year off.
Turtle, I can't remember you asking us to like and subscribe. I was watching a different channel and they asked almost at the very beginning. If you didn't put it in, I really suggest that you do. I always forget to like videos. And it is the reminder that gets me to hit the button.
Interesting observation but for to be real, that stuff was on the testserver for months now and nobody recognized it before? It reminds me of the Fallout 4 movementspeed-bug where first- and 3rd person got different bonuses applied for whatever reason. Never got fixed if i remember correctly. I use a vampire autoaxe with turbomod too but what shall i do, dump it? It already makes me mad when using it in power armor and i jump down somewhere the autoaxe-attack-animation gets interrupted twice cause of the stupid powerarmor landing animation that interferes.
So the V 40pa 25lvc chainsaw sitting in my stash isn't complete trash? May throw a flame mod on it and just use it to replace the flamer for healing Npcs during events.
I know this video is old turtle but the fact of the matter is every one of those weapons has an attack rate and it’s fixed the Mr. handy I am pretty certain has been data mind at five attacks per second the attacks are for a much larger amount but they’re only 5 per second The shredder the reason it was always so good is it attacks 20 times a second but add about half of the damage that the Mr. handy does still does more damage in that second but it attacks 20 times I’ve never seen any info on how often the auto wax or the chainsaw attack but I assume typically they’re about the same as the shredder However that fog and it was and it was a bug because they’ve since made it permanent I think was like a three times attack rate boost in first person. It is never had anything to do with weapon, speed or martial artist those determine how fast you engage the weapon not how fast it rotates.
Now I'm worried that when Bethesda fixes this, we're going to see the Chainsaw and Auto Axe essentially get nerfed in 1st person to be closer to their performance in 3rd person. I've fallen in love with Chainsaws, but if they get nerfed, I'll probably just go back to my shredders. I've already gone back to using my AA/bash for the SBQ and Earle; legendary Chainsaws are great against regular enemies, but they still can't compete with shredders against bosses.
This is a great video and thank you for all your testing. Does anyone know how 25 less vats cost works on auto melee? Is it only in vats or is ap consumption? Im curious and thank you all
Chainsaw . 1 chainsaws are tradeable which is a plus 2 from my experience chainsaws are slightly less powerfull ( even tho a fully upgraded chainsaw on paper does more dmg compared to electrified autoaxe with same effects , at least the game says so , but electrified damage cant be resisted ) but drain ap slower so a vamp chainsaw would be way better as a survival weapon and against mob, vampire is better for chainsaws imho, on autoaxe i'd go for bloodied 40 pa and 1 str it's better for dps against bosses
Turtle you owe me 85 stamps I bought the turbo mod on your earlier video analysis!. JK man thank you for doing all this work confirms my suspicions this was awesome!
Turtle and Turtle's army.. I rolled a V bash chainsaw and it seems way overpowered. Not speckd out for melee.any one else try bash damage on these things?
Don’t anything on automatic weapon I don’t know why it’s even in the loop pool to get swing speed version or weapon free version of those weapons. It’s never done anything and in the current state of auto mainly weapon if that couldn’t be more evident, you know after the five months ago we’ve been training they did an automated weapons and what not at this point the turbo model is even more useless than it ever was. It doesn’t increase the attack rate of the weapon at all, but putting them light on it treats it like an elemental mod and putting the light on nurse the weapon by like 40% of a damage so you don’t gain anything you’re just lose face damage. Barcelona doesn’t make the weapon attack. Faster doesn’t make an attack faster. These weapons are already at a fixed the attack rate. They’re all very fast weapon tax so many times a second just like the shredder shredder attack 20 times a second if I remember correctly, nothing changes that to me Put your points somewhere else and we already know that on one of these daily weapons even back then, on the Mr. Andy bar attack band, which was the best way to go vampire fire attack damage by Mr. Andy is no longer useful at all unless you don’t can’t make an auto act you can buy a Mr. handy anywhere Bought it with electricity and go to town but if you can get an auto wax or a chainsaw they are better than the hand hands down the base weapon divided weapon whatever I used to love the Mr. Andy I forget what mine even had on it. I did honestly didn’t matter Thor armor the Mr. Andy and a queen or a queen was no match 250 bleed damage for a second+ whatever totally unknown amount of damage or damage the weapon was doing and energy damage because it did have the electric mod because there was no downside to that back then I think I actually had a good one. You know what it has damage and I think vampires I don’t know what else Which live damage didn’t help queen at all by vampires kept me alive. I could stand there grinding on the queen and ignore all of the shit going on around me. None of those critters could do no damage to Herbie as long as I could keep grinding, and the big grey bar on the queens hellfire just kept growing and growing as long as I didn’t get stagger, and then armor, and Mr. Andy became useless
Turtle I’ve seen this test it in slow motion and it took exactly two seconds with or without swing speed to kill the creature the TH-camr was killing and he did it in slow Mo with the timer
Thank you Mr. Unofficial Bethesda One Man QC Team. Next time, could you please report this to the devs prior to season release? Lol, jk. Bethesda should really bring you on board to assist testing. Not sure how they missed something like this without even… trying the thing out before release.
They ruined the minigun shredder by making it cost ap just to push people to try the autoaxe which is no better in my opinion. Why couldn't they have left the minigun shredder alone? It wasn't hurting anybody..... except for supermutants.
Auto melee weapons burn AP need to fucking GO. I've been using the shredder for over two years and now it's a damned joke. Bethesda can win for fucking it's players over.
Turtles are all doing more damage in first person and it doesn’t have to have mods on it to do more damage in first person I don’t know why or what it is but in first person that auto wax almost does comparable damage to the Shredder
It’s almost impossible to perceive, but I think that’s what it does. I think it simply makes it engage faster. I don’t think swing speed was ever meant to do anything to any of the auto Maley weapons. Hence the reason they created a mod called the turbo mod which was supposed to make the blade rotate 200% faster, why would they create a mod to do it? If there was a legendary effect that would do it why wouldn’t you for poison electricity or fire and then get a swing speed ax and get the best of both worlds that would be a little overpowered I mean it’s already overpowered because they couldn’t be bothered much like legacy weapons. They couldn’t be bothered to just go back and fix the thing correctly which would’ve been to take the 200% attack speed increase off and make you either commit to a turbo mod or a fire electric or poison mod, by the way, the poison mod is the best of all the electric element damage aside the poison one is the best one of all, but almost everything in the game has poison, resistance, or immunity
I was just about to re-roll my V/40pa/S chainsaw because I wanted swing speed. Guess I got a god roll🤣! Honestly, I can see the automatic melee weapons getting the Flamer treatment. It’ll go a long time without getting fixed, and when they finally do…boom, it’s worse.
I really WANT to like 76, I've played it for years, but this pit update has me hands off. I am so turned off by the quality. By that I mean the very low quality.
Here is another one, use Gatling gun or flamer, add turbo to your aim button while you are in power armour and first person mode, enjoy real minigun inside of Fallout 76
Works without power armor, just switch to another weapon and back to the gatling. It's my backup for my fister build so I can still do good ranged dps even without perk cards since I can click so fast lmao.
@@evolve8085 Turbo button for controllers, autoclicker for mouse or keyboard. Steam has a built in turbo function for controllers, I have mine set to two stage for aim, full press is turbo, half press is regular non-turbo
Turtle swing speed shouldn’t even have been an option, but does the made those weapons they made them bugged out so that when you were in first person, you were getting three times the damage which is what the turbo mod is it’s a 200% damage increase rather I’m sorry 200% attack rate increase But they made all of them do that in first person and swing speed. Shouldn’t have affected any of them because you’re not swinging your power attacking that’s what the turbo is for if you wanted to be faster, you put the turbo in if you wanted to do electric you put the electric mod in you wanted to do fire you put the fire mod in Rate and pissing off everybody running an exit at the time they just went ahead and made that attack rate permanent which means now people spend 50 stamps buying the turbo mod and find out it doesn’t do shit except lower their damage. The Mr. handy shouldn’t drop with swing speed on it because swing speed doesn’t affect that weapon either. It doesn’t change the rotational speed of that weapon. You don’t get faster time to kill. All you get is a wasted star not that it matters because comparatively speaking given that that weapon doesn’t have that attack rate increase bug that’s built into the other two weapons. The Mr. Handy is just you know substandard like if it’s the only thing you have and you want an auto weapon then use it but the moment you get access to a chainsaw or a auto, it’s a far superior piece of equipment. There’s another bug it may or may not still be a bug. I don’t know if they’ve corrected this, but it seems that the electric mod doesn’t put energy damage on the weapon. It put electric elemental damage which nothing in the game can medicate just like bleed nothing can mitigate that damage thing as it’s not a like, but still, there’s no resistance for electric element. There’s cold there’s poison. There’s fire no bleed and element if they’ve ever fixed that, but that’s what was wrong with that part of those weapons.
Anyway turtle kind of disappointed in your effort level on these things of light I mean your normal testing process would’ve been scientific you would’ve used a slow Mo a N and a timer you would’ve added you know causal items like added swing speed then then added martial artist in stabs to see where it was coming from I mean it it’s it’s like diagnosing your engine not running in your car correctly by replacing the whole fucking car and saying yup the car was broke mad very scientific
The only thing you need to remember is the shredder still does more damage than the auto wax and it does it in third person first person it takes two part cards to make it work and one food that’s what you need to remember however I’m starting to lose faith in you turtle this was not a turtle lab moment where are you actually tested stuff scientifically first of all you put both martial artist and swing speed on the weapon that are on at the same time OK and You didn’t actually use a timer and tested in Slomo with each of the mods my I haven’t got a auto acts with sling speed so I can’t actually test out my self but martial artist is having no effect on the swing speed in first person and third person you may very well be right what you said about first person sounds legitimate because you can actually even hear it I mean it literally sounds like the weapon is spinning faster in first person and in first person it it does damage very close to not not really exactly on power but very close to the shredder but it does it no matter what perk card you have on and it doesn’t do it with martial artist down in third person at all there’s no difference no I have to go search down that video I watch for somebody actually did demonstrate it I had a timer in Slomo and there was absolutely no difference in the damage but I don’t remember I don’t remember what the conditions of the testing were except that he did it and Slo-mo and it took two seconds both ways I think he was killing googles by the way which if you do the ghouls that spawn on custom worlds at the Emmett they’re all the same where is those super mutants that you were testing and that’s another thing that’s wrong with that test you just did everyone of them super mutants is different there’s like eight or 10 different kinds of super mutants so Sam have more some Avenue last resistances somewhere more some Everlast health The only legitimate really legitimate creature to test stuff like that on is the scavengers because they are all exactly identical and they all have health you know I mean high damage resistance high energy resistance and I radiation resistance but the point is they’re all exactly the same I mean that’s what you should test on and you have to test each element because from what I can see with her without martial artist in third person view that weapon does the same damage I mean almost identical time to kill and anything that’s the same like a scavengers as the the Mr. handy and you only see damage increase or DPS increase in third person
I ask again because I wonder if you have one does more power attack damage work on the Mr. handy I suppose I can log on a custom world and just roll away and see if I can get that even on a Mr. Andy tested but I wondered if you may be already had one
Ironically I’ve had does Mr. Handys with swing speed and swing speed has no effect find out what happened but you can roll up there Murfreesboro auto ask which apparently you can’t roll it on a Joestar although I’m not sure why you’d be rolling Joe stars by dark it’s ironic that it doesn’t work on the web and you can’t get it on but it does work on the web and you can’t get it off is that what you’re saying yeah bugthesda for sure
Does still still stand?
no swing speed currently does nothing and auto axe attack with max speed in both camera modes
Can we just appreciate how much testing Angry Turtle goes through just for one weapon and every aspect of the it. Thanks turtle, your videos are really informative and I appreciate the time you take to make them. :)
He wants a nerf!!!! He wants the 3rd person damage on first person. I despise his efforts.
he's doing more testing in a week than bethesda in their whole existence
I don't like the hitboxes when using the auto axe in third person. so I've been using first person and noticed the maxed swing speed on it, really want a 40% damage secondary with vampires.
Mmmm, there's a bug in this video, you're saying 'buzz blade' instead of 'booz blade' :)
I have an executioner’s chainsaw and I greatly prefer it to the Auto Axe. I bought the double arm and flame mods for a few caps from the Watoga train station and I carve through most everything in literally 3 seconds. And I didn’t need to grind Stamps for it.
You can find the double mod at the train station? All I always see is the longbow.
@@Mark-vl9gc i think you can learn double chainsaw mod.
@@Mark-vl9gc I’ve found the box mod for dual bar exactly once at a train station, it is a rare box mod (relative to the common flamer and long bow mods) but you can just scrap some chainsaws to learn the dual bar.
I agree with you. I have a half dozen really awesome chainsaws that are faster on the draw. Maybe when I finally get a vampire or AA, I will feel different. UPDATE. I did get an auto Axe Vampire and AA. I still use the vampire chainsaw.
@@fivenotewonder same here. Bought it once from the sunny top station vendor and I haven't seen it since. Learned the mod by scrapping eventually.
Watch Bethesda make swing speed auto melees a new generation of legacies instead of fixing them...
You were correct with this prediction 👏
Wdym? @@ericmontgomery5316
My first chainsaw was a ffr and it rips in a fever second with dbl bar. It’s not vampire, but don’t need it. The interruption to the enemies attacks is enough, especially shooty type enemies. The only weird I have noticed while using chainsaw or chainaxe is when you jump on an enemy while holding the fire button, you get a weird stuttering affect with your attacks, but if you run or walk up to an enemy the stuttering affect is non-existent. Hope this helps.
that's only in first person
New to the game and I was trying to find out if the Martial Arts perk helps with any of these heavy 2 handed weapons, like Sledgehammers, chainsaws, and auto-axes.
So the swing speed prefix on a chainsaw is effected by this as well? Can confirm in first person the difference in damage with the chainsaw is beyond noticeable!
Thanks Turtle it’s amazing to me that during the whole Pitt development cycle they were going to revamp auto melee and have failed so miserably! I really want a review of less ap vs ap on kill on auto axe as I find I struggle to keep grinding through mobs (non PA but unyielding) without it stalling. Cheers
Consider adding the Aerodynamic mod to your arms. It's less efficient than Optimized Bracers on PA arms, but it still massively improves AP consumption on auto melees.
That's pretty much what some people have stated in the comments in some previous AA videos. That made me go for 40% power attack effect instead (thanks guys).
I don't understand one thing though. Why when you switch to a weapon with 40% swing speed you also equip martial artist ? I thought the point was to show the difference for legendary effect alone ?
they add up, makes difference more visible
I noticed that on the turbo the actual turbine doesnt spin. That is a failure.
Thx for the video it answers a lot of questions, out of curiosity tho can auto axe compete with chainsaw at all? i got a double bar flaming vampire 40% more power attack damage chainsaw and i wonder if a similar row electrified or fire auto axe could compete
this first person jankiness also influences charge barrel ugl, more prominent on faster firerate
Thank Turtle, I suspected something was not quite right with SS on the autoaxe. It's my current go to melee weapon on my build.
So, does this mean, for the moment it's best to drop martial artist and max out on slugger perks with auto axe in first person? Which is the only real perspective I play in.
yes
@@AngryTurtle you replied FAST 😮 Thank you. Also, love your channel. You're my Go-to for anything fallout 76. Keep doing what you do, my guy.
That's so confusing....come on Bethesda! Thanks Angry Turtle, great update.
Thanks for the sweet science for Auto-Melee! I rock an Overeaters Hellcat PA with Auto-Axe Anti-Armor 40 dmg for Pitt runs. Still rolling on legendary Chainsaws. Can’t go back to my Shredder.
I wish they'd fix the double "stall" with chainsaw and autoaxe when you land.
God it’s hell, that and the small hit box in third person where you know you hit them but it doesn’t register damage
Does this means that The Buzz Blade and the Ripper / Drill aren't affected by Swing Speed???? Im very interested 2 know.
That's what he said in the video, yes.
Yes, only the chainsaw and auto-axe benefit from faster swing speed, and you only get the benefit in third person.
Swing speed on automatic weapons seems to also make them break much faster.
Yeah I prefer 40 power attack damage.
@@Mark-vl9gc what about standing still damage is now second best?
@@DarkPikachuYTV Nope it's not multiplicative so power attack Is better
If you're talking about a baseball bat with faster swing speed, that makes sense but with the auto axe faster swing speed sould only effect the swing speed with bashing.
Hey Turtle, did you guys notice in The Pitt that limb damage doesn't work? We used shotguns/enforcer, fixers/tormentor and Heavy Guns/ one gun army. Even targeting the limbs with concentrated fire, they don't cripple. It's like they all have adamantium skeleton on. Thought since you're a PTS guy you might know about or why this is happening?
honestly i never tried to cripple anything outside of SB to force landing
@@AngryTurtle I did that with my pepper shaker build. But I honestly have to say there's alot of kinks in Pitt that need working out. Just wanted to pick your brain about the limb dmg not working with either Perks or as Legendary Perk. Thanks for replying and your time.
I'd like to see a comparison between 40% power attack and 40% swing speed on spinning weapons, I think power attack could be better.
Yes this is the test I want
swing speed would work well with vampire's
Hey Turtle, I don't know if this has been addressed previously by you or not, but I've noticed my AP lasts considerably longer in 3rd person than 1st person with a chainsaw. So, if I have a swing speed chainsaw, does that mean I'm better off using it in 3rd person only?
I hate playing in 3rd person but I will try it to see. AP is stupid broke now.
Does 40% more pa dmg and 40% less dmg while pa work?
first one yes second one no
@ANGRY Turtle - 1st person is way easier to use these weapons as well. In 1st person 2nd star power attack is best then what is the 3rd star best option?
40% less damage while power attacking or +1 strength
@@jimeckel653 good then my chainsaw is done then. Thanks
@@TewkyTag congrats! 90% reduced weight and 25 less vats are good too
Actually just got my first chainsaw today with faster swing speed. I never use melee weapons though. I have a whole box full of bloodied melee weapons with faster swing speed in my box. Gotta start scrapping them soon to make room. Started playing again after a year off.
Turtle, I can't remember you asking us to like and subscribe. I was watching a different channel and they asked almost at the very beginning. If you didn't put it in, I really suggest that you do. I always forget to like videos. And it is the reminder that gets me to hit the button.
Interesting observation but for to be real, that stuff was on the testserver for months now and nobody recognized it before?
It reminds me of the Fallout 4 movementspeed-bug where first- and 3rd person got different bonuses applied for whatever reason. Never got fixed if i remember correctly.
I use a vampire autoaxe with turbomod too but what shall i do, dump it? It already makes me mad when using it in power armor and i jump down somewhere the autoaxe-attack-animation gets interrupted twice cause of the stupid powerarmor landing animation that interferes.
Try electrified it's a good mod you still refain tons
So the V 40pa 25lvc chainsaw sitting in my stash isn't complete trash? May throw a flame mod on it and just use it to replace the flamer for healing Npcs during events.
I feel like first person your aim is much higher up than in third person, hitting the upper torso and head rather than the feet with 3rd
I know this video is old turtle but the fact of the matter is every one of those weapons has an attack rate and it’s fixed the Mr. handy I am pretty certain has been data mind at five attacks per second the attacks are for a much larger amount but they’re only 5 per second The shredder the reason it was always so good is it attacks 20 times a second but add about half of the damage that the Mr. handy does still does more damage in that second but it attacks 20 times I’ve never seen any info on how often the auto wax or the chainsaw attack but I assume typically they’re about the same as the shredder However that fog and it was and it was a bug because they’ve since made it permanent I think was like a three times attack rate boost in first person. It is never had anything to do with weapon, speed or martial artist those determine how fast you engage the weapon not how fast it rotates.
So the best for damage on first person is 40% more power atack damage?
It's nice to know that it really works, no more fear that we would be wasting legendary mods.
Have an autoaxe bloody an 40weapon speed, is that the same than swingspeed? Cos been testing it now, and cant find a difference
weapon speed is the new name for the same thing, unfortunately it currently doesn't work on auto melee weapons
@@AngryTurtle ok 👍 gonna keep it though, if something gonna change, and we all know that this game keep s evolving
@1:09 Whoa whoa whoa! I think what you meant to say is booze blade.
I can tell you that the drill and ripper benefit from the FSS, I have noticed a significant difference
so what would be the best legendary perks for the auto axe as of right now ?
Now I'm worried that when Bethesda fixes this, we're going to see the Chainsaw and Auto Axe essentially get nerfed in 1st person to be closer to their performance in 3rd person. I've fallen in love with Chainsaws, but if they get nerfed, I'll probably just go back to my shredders. I've already gone back to using my AA/bash for the SBQ and Earle; legendary Chainsaws are great against regular enemies, but they still can't compete with shredders against bosses.
Based on this information would it be safe to assume that the Furious prefix doesn't do anything for chainsaws and auto-axe in first person?
furious seems to work just fine
Great job! So what second prefix should I be looking for if I use my auto axe in first person view now that SS doesn’t help?
Ap regen probably
"40% more power attack damage" because all attacks count as power attacks with the Auto Axe.
This is a great video and thank you for all your testing. Does anyone know how 25 less vats cost works on auto melee? Is it only in vats or is ap consumption? Im curious and thank you all
i think it only works while in vats, outside of vats the consumption rate is probably the same, Angry Turtle will have to test this too xD
Thanks for testing this Turtle, been curious on how FFR works on the Auto Axe
What's better, 40% Speed + Vampire AutoAxe vs Chainsaw same effect?
Chainsaw . 1 chainsaws are tradeable which is a plus 2 from my experience chainsaws are slightly less powerfull ( even tho a fully upgraded chainsaw on paper does more dmg compared to electrified autoaxe with same effects , at least the game says so , but electrified damage cant be resisted ) but drain ap slower so a vamp chainsaw would be way better as a survival weapon and against mob, vampire is better for chainsaws imho, on autoaxe i'd go for bloodied 40 pa and 1 str it's better for dps against bosses
The chainsaw is so buggy in VATS that I just use it normally. The Ripper and Drill are smoother but they do less damage.
How do you power attack? I use melee rarely. Also do the slugger perk cards help the auto axe?
ALT, the grenade button
automatic melee have only power attack option
I don't know if it's the same for you, but the button you would use to bash on guns.
so are you saying that martial artist and fast swing speed don't stack? Do a faster swing speed without martial artist?
they all stack
Turtle you owe me 85 stamps I bought the turbo mod on your earlier video analysis!. JK man thank you for doing all this work confirms my suspicions this was awesome!
i run into a bug where the chainsaw stops doing any damage randomly
He's already pulled over, he can't pull over any farther!
Either its a bug or there's a cap on the swing speed and at first look the 3rd and 1st person bug looks like a fps glitch. Thanks for the info again!
So what you are saying is I have to stick with the Basher Shredder Mingun build and I don't get to play with the new toys. :(
Yup that's about right. Nice job Beth.
That V4040 is a pretty one I feel like the 4040 is now better than +1S for autos
I just want a vampire auto axe. My first roll is always what it already is. You can't tell me this is a RNG at work here.
Virgin players: "BeThEsDa FiX tHiS mEsS i CaN't PlAy!!1"
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Bethesda code monkey soup as always. Thank you for the research 🐢❗
Do you have Speed Demon on? Could that possibly affect it?
yes I always have speed demon
@@AngryTurtle might be worth repeating it without mutations. Speed demon maxes out other things, maybe it's doing the same for these 'new' weapons
I have anti armor standing still damage +1 Strength auto axe is that second best now
swing speed on auto melee weapons should only effect swing speed "bash speed"
Turtle and Turtle's army..
I rolled a V bash chainsaw and it seems way overpowered. Not speckd out for melee.any one else try bash damage on these things?
I have noticed that swing speed with turbo mod just makes it worse, so I guess it doesn’t stack. Waste of stamps 😂
I love your effort on making these videos ❤️
I'm really surprised they released the update with so many bugs, especially since they don't usually do that or have many bugs in the game at all.
Highlighting the craziness that is what it is.
Ah yes, the most controversial legendary effect
Don’t anything on automatic weapon I don’t know why it’s even in the loop pool to get swing speed version or weapon free version of those weapons. It’s never done anything and in the current state of auto mainly weapon if that couldn’t be more evident, you know after the five months ago we’ve been training they did an automated weapons and what not at this point the turbo model is even more useless than it ever was. It doesn’t increase the attack rate of the weapon at all, but putting them light on it treats it like an elemental mod and putting the light on nurse the weapon by like 40% of a damage so you don’t gain anything you’re just lose face damage. Barcelona doesn’t make the weapon attack. Faster doesn’t make an attack faster. These weapons are already at a fixed the attack rate. They’re all very fast weapon tax so many times a second just like the shredder shredder attack 20 times a second if I remember correctly, nothing changes that to me Put your points somewhere else and we already know that on one of these daily weapons even back then, on the Mr. Andy bar attack band, which was the best way to go vampire fire attack damage by Mr. Andy is no longer useful at all unless you don’t can’t make an auto act you can buy a Mr. handy anywhere Bought it with electricity and go to town but if you can get an auto wax or a chainsaw they are better than the hand hands down the base weapon divided weapon whatever I used to love the Mr. Andy I forget what mine even had on it. I did honestly didn’t matter Thor armor the Mr. Andy and a queen or a queen was no match 250 bleed damage for a second+ whatever totally unknown amount of damage or damage the weapon was doing and energy damage because it did have the electric mod because there was no downside to that back then I think I actually had a good one. You know what it has damage and I think vampires I don’t know what else Which live damage didn’t help queen at all by vampires kept me alive. I could stand there grinding on the queen and ignore all of the shit going on around me. None of those critters could do no damage to Herbie as long as I could keep grinding, and the big grey bar on the queens hellfire just kept growing and growing as long as I didn’t get stagger, and then armor, and Mr. Andy became useless
Am I the only one that felt weird for not getting that Nuka Quantun?
Ive been rerolling chainsaws to get vampires for 3 weeks : (
The Turbo Mod for the Auto Axe does absolutely nothing but lower the damage. Quite useless and a waste of 85 stamps.
is it still bugged?
it's locked on maximum possible speed therefore swing speed is not needed and does nothing, currently in either view
@@AngryTurtle ok thank you :)
Geesus. Are there any other games that are so f***ed up like this as the damage is dependent on the camera view. Betty did it again.
Ive been killing it lately with my bloody unyielding auto melee build!
Ahh, AAA gaming at its finest!
It's looks bugged AF, in fpp sumarize all possible bonuses even it doesn't equipped. In 3pp works as intended :/
So, unfortunately the speculations regarding swing speed for the new auto weapons were correct. No surprise here tbh lol.
Turtle I’ve seen this test it in slow motion and it took exactly two seconds with or without swing speed to kill the creature the TH-camr was killing and he did it in slow Mo with the timer
Thank you Mr. Unofficial Bethesda One Man QC Team. Next time, could you please report this to the devs prior to season release? Lol, jk. Bethesda should really bring you on board to assist testing. Not sure how they missed something like this without even… trying the thing out before release.
oh most of that was reported 2 months ago
They ruined the minigun shredder by making it cost ap just to push people to try the autoaxe which is no better in my opinion. Why couldn't they have left the minigun shredder alone? It wasn't hurting anybody..... except for supermutants.
Auto melee weapons burn AP need to fucking GO. I've been using the shredder for over two years and now it's a damned joke. Bethesda can win for fucking it's players over.
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Turtles are all doing more damage in first person and it doesn’t have to have mods on it to do more damage in first person I don’t know why or what it is but in first person that auto wax almost does comparable damage to the Shredder
It’s almost impossible to perceive, but I think that’s what it does. I think it simply makes it engage faster. I don’t think swing speed was ever meant to do anything to any of the auto Maley weapons. Hence the reason they created a mod called the turbo mod which was supposed to make the blade rotate 200% faster, why would they create a mod to do it? If there was a legendary effect that would do it why wouldn’t you for poison electricity or fire and then get a swing speed ax and get the best of both worlds that would be a little overpowered I mean it’s already overpowered because they couldn’t be bothered much like legacy weapons. They couldn’t be bothered to just go back and fix the thing correctly which would’ve been to take the 200% attack speed increase off and make you either commit to a turbo mod or a fire electric or poison mod, by the way, the poison mod is the best of all the electric element damage aside the poison one is the best one of all, but almost everything in the game has poison, resistance, or immunity
What is wrong with u turtle? Why wont you leave this alone?? This actually benefits us!!!!!!!
You're the 🐐
So is this confirmed by the dev team directly that it will be fixed?
no
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Is it weird that I miss the way you pronounce "buzz"? Haha
I was just about to re-roll my V/40pa/S chainsaw because I wanted swing speed. Guess I got a god roll🤣! Honestly, I can see the automatic melee weapons getting the Flamer treatment. It’ll go a long time without getting fixed, and when they finally do…boom, it’s worse.
I really WANT to like 76, I've played it for years, but this pit update has me hands off. I am so turned off by the quality. By that I mean the very low quality.
What's wrong, you don't want to cook stew to charge a menu icon to play The Pitt still in 360 graphics?
Is this video still right today?
swing speed doesn't do anything as for today
boooz blade!
Here is another one, use Gatling gun or flamer, add turbo to your aim button while you are in power armour and first person mode, enjoy real minigun inside of Fallout 76
Works without power armor, just switch to another weapon and back to the gatling. It's my backup for my fister build so I can still do good ranged dps even without perk cards since I can click so fast lmao.
@@doublejesusful what's this, a gatling gun glitch?
Turbo?
@@cortez1030 autoclick
@@evolve8085
Turbo button for controllers, autoclicker for mouse or keyboard.
Steam has a built in turbo function for controllers, I have mine set to two stage for aim, full press is turbo, half press is regular non-turbo
Turtle swing speed shouldn’t even have been an option, but does the made those weapons they made them bugged out so that when you were in first person, you were getting three times the damage which is what the turbo mod is it’s a 200% damage increase rather I’m sorry 200% attack rate increase But they made all of them do that in first person and swing speed. Shouldn’t have affected any of them because you’re not swinging your power attacking that’s what the turbo is for if you wanted to be faster, you put the turbo in if you wanted to do electric you put the electric mod in you wanted to do fire you put the fire mod in Rate and pissing off everybody running an exit at the time they just went ahead and made that attack rate permanent which means now people spend 50 stamps buying the turbo mod and find out it doesn’t do shit except lower their damage. The Mr. handy shouldn’t drop with swing speed on it because swing speed doesn’t affect that weapon either. It doesn’t change the rotational speed of that weapon. You don’t get faster time to kill. All you get is a wasted star not that it matters because comparatively speaking given that that weapon doesn’t have that attack rate increase bug that’s built into the other two weapons. The Mr. Handy is just you know substandard like if it’s the only thing you have and you want an auto weapon then use it but the moment you get access to a chainsaw or a auto, it’s a far superior piece of equipment. There’s another bug it may or may not still be a bug. I don’t know if they’ve corrected this, but it seems that the electric mod doesn’t put energy damage on the weapon. It put electric elemental damage which nothing in the game can medicate just like bleed nothing can mitigate that damage thing as it’s not a like, but still, there’s no resistance for electric element. There’s cold there’s poison. There’s fire no bleed and element if they’ve ever fixed that, but that’s what was wrong with that part of those weapons.
And by the way those weapons have never worked with martial artist or swing speed on the weapon why would you think they’re going to fix it now
Anyway turtle kind of disappointed in your effort level on these things of light I mean your normal testing process would’ve been scientific you would’ve used a slow Mo a N and a timer you would’ve added you know causal items like added swing speed then then added martial artist in stabs to see where it was coming from I mean it it’s it’s like diagnosing your engine not running in your car correctly by replacing the whole fucking car and saying yup the car was broke mad very scientific
Is there a reason your spamming the same thing over and over here? If you don’t like the content don’t come here, easy.
The only thing you need to remember is the shredder still does more damage than the auto wax and it does it in third person first person it takes two part cards to make it work and one food that’s what you need to remember however I’m starting to lose faith in you turtle this was not a turtle lab moment where are you actually tested stuff scientifically first of all you put both martial artist and swing speed on the weapon that are on at the same time OK and You didn’t actually use a timer and tested in Slomo with each of the mods my I haven’t got a auto acts with sling speed so I can’t actually test out my self but martial artist is having no effect on the swing speed in first person and third person you may very well be right what you said about first person sounds legitimate because you can actually even hear it I mean it literally sounds like the weapon is spinning faster in first person and in first person it it does damage very close to not not really exactly on power but very close to the shredder but it does it no matter what perk card you have on and it doesn’t do it with martial artist down in third person at all there’s no difference no I have to go search down that video I watch for somebody actually did demonstrate it I had a timer in Slomo and there was absolutely no difference in the damage but I don’t remember I don’t remember what the conditions of the testing were except that he did it and Slo-mo and it took two seconds both ways I think he was killing googles by the way which if you do the ghouls that spawn on custom worlds at the Emmett they’re all the same where is those super mutants that you were testing and that’s another thing that’s wrong with that test you just did everyone of them super mutants is different there’s like eight or 10 different kinds of super mutants so Sam have more some Avenue last resistances somewhere more some Everlast health The only legitimate really legitimate creature to test stuff like that on is the scavengers because they are all exactly identical and they all have health you know I mean high damage resistance high energy resistance and I radiation resistance but the point is they’re all exactly the same I mean that’s what you should test on and you have to test each element because from what I can see with her without martial artist in third person view that weapon does the same damage I mean almost identical time to kill and anything that’s the same like a scavengers as the the Mr. handy and you only see damage increase or DPS increase in third person
That’s a helluva long sentence Billy. Tbh I lost the will to live somewhere in there
I ask again because I wonder if you have one does more power attack damage work on the Mr. handy I suppose I can log on a custom world and just roll away and see if I can get that even on a Mr. Andy tested but I wondered if you may be already had one
Ironically I’ve had does Mr. Handys with swing speed and swing speed has no effect find out what happened but you can roll up there Murfreesboro auto ask which apparently you can’t roll it on a Joestar although I’m not sure why you’d be rolling Joe stars by dark it’s ironic that it doesn’t work on the web and you can’t get it on but it does work on the web and you can’t get it off is that what you’re saying yeah bugthesda for sure