This almost made me cry. I am not a monster. I am a good man with a good heart and would not hurt anybody; let alone a child. "mga59, than you for your comment.
@@mga59xbd38 The person you were replying to seemed to be supportive on your comment. I'm not sure why you said you think he can't understand when he thanked you for your comment.
That's very brave of you to say, and I agree with it. As long as you don't offend you haven't done anything wrong, please don't be too hard on yourself.
Thank you for this conversation as much as I don't want a child to get hurt .I think it's important for people to get help and if they're seeking help should be allowed to get help
You had an opportunity to talk to someone who is an expert in his field, and you guys are mostly discussing how people feel about pedophilia + how to prevent offending or 'cure' it... I am missing the part where you really go into what pedophilia is and why these people are attracted to children. Why did this not come up more?
They're born that way. Same as heterosexuals are born the way they are and homosexuals are born the way they are. The dr said it's all about brain structure.
He made a good point about the level of discourse today in general. There's this false premise that there are only two sides to any topic. So pick a side, support it 100% and attack the other side. Of course, real life doesn't follow such a simple, easy-to-use model as that.
14:00 It may be genetic as most things are. But from what I have been observing on the Internet and through reports is that men had their own childhood and childlikeness taken from them early on either through child sexual abuse or through other mental abuse forms where they were not allowed to continue being children but had to become vigilant, fearful or take on adult responsibilities. This is a severe trauma. When the trauma is way repressed into the unconscious it will take on a life on it's own and begin to funnel through in their adult lives in very neurotic ways. When they could not allow themselves to be the child during childhood they later on will very likely fantasize about children craving that childlike mental state and it often becomes sexualized. This is a very horrendous cycle of suffering that must come to an end now. People need to talk openly about this in group therapy. Thank you Dr. Cantor for addressing this urgent problem.
That is only a portion of the p3d0philes. P3d0phila, largely, is treated by nature the same as all other orientation. Nature is what it is, it isn't bent on balance, fairness, or anything you want it to be.
Whatever made us sexual was different no matter what of time it was no matter homosexuality, pedophilia, or fetish! No matter time it was it's always part of the human race!
Be careful of the crazies, that don't want to help pedophiles, if they say why are you helping them, just say because "you're too dim to understand nuance". Just ignorant savethechildren closet pedophiles.
Remember the story of the man who mistook his wife for a hat? Could it be wires crossed? PERHAPS also the VULNERABILITY of children may be a key...perhaps adults are so walled up emotionally that real emotional connection seems impossible. AND maybe it's the desire to be that child again...stealing the child's innocence.
I agree that this is also a key factor into this particular subject! I have thought this myself and am surprised to find this comment It takes a deep level of emotional insight to interpret this! There is some sort of unconscious experience of that dynamic (reclaiming innocence but not knowing how, extreme emotional imbalances) from a human existential standpoint This existential dilemma doesnt necessarily enter the realm of any type of sexual irregularity BUT Someone already having issues with pedophilia may interpret those emotional blockages in such a way that it makes them more inclined to act on their urges perhaps it is a combination of many factors cross wiring, emotional imbalance, trauma, personality disorder
At that point it could be either a combination of sexual assault and pedophilia/hebephilia, sexual assault only, or ped/hebephilia only it’s extremely nuanced and I feel that it is very important to differentiate each one from the other in order to understand ithe entire thing more clearly
What you describe is not really pedophilia. There *are* people who target kids because they're more vulnerable. There are also people who target kids because they're easier to manipulate than adults. And there are people who target kids to spite their innocence. Such people, however, are typically not highly attracted to kids, and, therefore, not pedophiles. Most child sex abusers are not actually pedophiles but are people who suffer from a variety of far less stigmatized but just as (if not more) dangerous conditions. Some people are just intellectually or socially impaired so they settle for a kid because children are less intimidating. Others are straight antisocial so target kids simply because they're available or (shudder) as a form of retaliation against the parents (yeah, that's a thing). Still others have such a high sexual drive and such a low level of restraint that they target children just because they're the more efficient option at any given moment. All of these is a motivation distinct from pedophilia, so most abusers are actually people who prefer adults. Pedophilia is just a matter of sexual attraction. All of these psychological oddities might or might not be pertinent at the time this fetish/orientation/paraphilia gets imprinted, but once it gets imprinted (often well before puberty) the attraction is with the person for life. Even if these supposed psychological causes are resolved, the attraction is already there and highly unlikely to change much. It's kind of like, even though you got that tattoo while drunk, you're still going to have that tattoo after you sober up. The causes aren't needed to sustain the effect.
Wow. It does not seem crazy to me to have zero tolerance for a single "slip", where the "slip' is an adult sexually molesting a child. I really don't understand Cantor's position.
@@klaud7311 when he says "a slip means a kid gets hurt". Maybe he meant a pedophile "slips" and a kid gets a bruised elbow??? But if he's saying a pedophile slips and a "kid gets hurt", it appears he's referring to the pedophile hurting the child in the act of pedophilia.
I question do we really need to open the door for every person to come out of the closet with their sexual interests making them public? Do we have to validate every single sexual interest publicly?
I know this is an old comment but I believe the point is that validating potential offenders (and thus, leading them to feel less ostracized) has the greater impact in reducing abuse which would be a great thing, and it would not only help prevent reoffenders, but also prevent sexual abuse numbers from growing in the first place.
NO! We should make sex a PRIVATE MATTER again. Get rid of porn, and stop talking about our sex lives in public. I hate that LGBT is so “political” now, when it should really be something private.
Absolutely. Bc let's pretend that it has nothing to do with sex.. what if it's trauma..addiction..terminal illnesses? No support...access to medical help, treatment, management...ugh that perpetuates the problem.. Have you even been abused by someone? Gaslit? Injured physically..sexually Etcetera.... there's more help for victims.. not enough for people that are harmful. The stigma is increased..in the USA patient doctor confidentiality goes out the window for those just thinking of hurting others or themselves.. it's required.. doctors don't want that liability.. the majority of society will pitchfork stigmatized illnesses, disorders, symptoms, syndromes and then wonder why the problem never goes away or decreases... just kill them...cut their privates(studies show that doesn't do shit)... lock them up... I can go on... but societies perception..misinformation.. whatever is not helping anyone...including victims..
Do you have a better solution? No one here wants to normalize child marriage if that is what you are worried about. People just want to live without harming anyone and no one harming them. Are they asking for too much? Just live in peace? Is it too much?
Well, Dr. Cantor has elsewhere stated that *homosexuality,* itself, is not directly inherited. The mother's immune system causes it under certain circumstances, but the immunal traits that cause it *could* be inherited. So, it stands to reason that pedophilia has a similar etymology. Not necessarily inherited, but definitely not learned. What he's said about the etiology of pedophilia is that it has a strong correlation with left-handedness (which is also true of homosexuality). Handedness is determined early in pregnancy. So, pedophilia, one way or another, has early origins. But none of this makes it *genetic.* We just know that it's almost certainly not learned, some "trauma response," or anything that could easily be unlearned.
I also believe that addiction is something which people cannot help and are born with. When I was a baby, I’d wake up in the middle of the night crying and wouldn’t stop until my mom brought me to the kitchen and gave me a bowl of cereal. I used to sneak into the kitchen late at night and eat entire jars of grape jelly or drink entire 2 liter bottles when I was a very young child. When I was in fourth grade, I wrote that when I grew up I “wanted to be an alcoholic.” Despite attending a closed off, sheltered boarding school, I sought out drugs desperately, connecting with sketchy people and fooling psychiatrists into prescribing me narcotics. By the end of high school, I’d overdosed twice. Then, for over a decade, I continued in extremely damaging drug abuse. This was all despite the fact that no one in my family ever once used drugs or drank around me. Furthermore, my childhood was extremely privileged aside from one instance of sexual molestation (I strongly disbelieve that this event had much to do with my addiction given that I started displaying addictive behaviors for years before that event). There remains a regard towards addicts as dangerous, negligent, morally depraved, and worthless. I hope that research can be done which may make such groundbreaking strides as that carried out by Dr. Cantor in regards to addiction. If my addiction were identified at a young age, I wouldn’t have ruined so much of my life, destroyed so many relationships, and damaged my body so irreparably. With psychiatrists, if you confess to them that you are an addict, you are flagged as being denied from access to certain drugs. This only compels addicts to seek out unregulated, unverified, often lethal options which can only be obtained through engaging with dangerous people and to take on an equally high risk lifestyle. If addicts could be prescribed regulated amounts of various drugs and could be monitored by professionals, so many issues in our society may be resolved. Issues spanning death through accident or suicide, organized crime, work force incompetence, employment denial, automobile and other heavy machinery accidents, sexual deviancy, and more extremely urgent and pervasive social issues.
One scruple I have with what you said (despite mostly being ok with it) is that "addict" implies the presence of an associated *behavior.* "Pedophile," despite the routine misuse of this word, does not. Pedophiles are not more driven to rape kids than ordinary people are driven to licit sexual activity. Celibacy is totally an option for them, and most of them seem to manage limiting themselves to just fantasy as their outlet. Addicts, by definition don't do this. Sure, someone could be born with "addict biology" and go their whole life without ever developing a habit for an addictive substance, but 1. this would probably be more difficult for them to do than for a pedophile to live celibate and 2. if they managed to do this, they wouldn't qualify for the label "addict," though am abstinent pedophile still qualifies for the label "pedophile".
@@somexp12 addict does not imply a behavior. I’m an addict and I’ve been clean for 3 years. You can be born an addict and never use drugs. My comment has to do with the exact sort of stigma you’re describing: the assumption that addiction is something that presents itself only in those who, of their own volition, engage in self destructive abuse of drugs. What I’m saying is that much like DNA may offer us answers and solutions to the problems of pedophilia, DNA can also predict addiction is applied thusly. You’re scruple has to do with your definition of addiction and your regard for addicts. What I’m saying is that such perceptions as those you prescribe to are stigmatic and inclined towards perpetuating the biases and institutions that punish and oppress addicts.
@@somexp12 please research the subject of addiction more in depth because your final statement regarding the status of someone as “not an addict upon their cessation” is wrong. It’s wrong both in a cognitive sense and neurological sense.
@@FrostRare Sure, I'm aware of this understanding, which pervades the 12 step and treatment communities. In that case, we have "addicts" being those people I described as "born with an 'addict biology'". I've done my time enough to know what you're describing. However, ordinary people don't always use the word this way. For them, an "addict" needs to be currently engaged in the behavior or, at least, in between shortly spaced episodes of engaging. The same is true with psychiatric diagnoses, in which you need to have engaged in the behavior within the last 12 months to qualify for an X use disorder. And it's not like they're "wrong" to talk like this. They still have vocabulary to refer to the currently sober and the never have used people with "addict biology" as still at risk. All the same phenomena are described. The idea that someone who never used or someone who's been abstinent for 10 years might still have an unexpressed drive to use is still accounted for. "Addict" is just not used to refer to it.
@@somexp12 okay let’s give each other the benefit of the doubt here and break our respective points down to their bare bones. This was the point of my original post: _Addiction, much like pedophilia as it is described in this video, is a disorder that the sufferer mustn’t be condemned for being afflicted by. Furthermore, the mental healthcare system needs to adjust itself to understand both pedophilia and addiction to be disorders that have nothing to do with personal failures on the part of the patient, rather have to do with neurochemistry, cognitive problems, trauma, etc.”_ What is your point and how does it conflict with mine?
"Sex drive-reducing medications"? That's (part of) the answer? That's severely disappointing. (However, I have an hour of listening to go, so I don't know what other treatments Cantor suggests. But obviously, I had to react --- fly off the handle! defy the inner Vulcan!)
There are currently no other scientifically based treatments at this time, unfortunately. There is currently no medication, psychotherapy, or surgery to cure paraphilias, including pedophilia. Pedophilia can only be mitigated, and even those treatments are limited (such as the “sex drive reducing medications”).
This is simply wrong in every way that something can be wrong. Rape is about power. Attraction is in the brain. Both are very real. And who exactly do you think he's virtue signaling to? This is a very unpopular opinion. "The woodchipper" is how you do virtue signaling on this issue.
@@JETZcorpthe inclination towards pedophilia is just as natural and as wrong as the inclination towards rape ? Please elaborate on the distinction you draw , rape is wrong because it harms other people , pedophilia is wrong because it can harm children
@@letsfaceit9187 You just answered it yourself. Rape is an act of harming another person. Pedophilia is the mental attraction to children. Yes it *can* cause harm and often does but it doesn't have to. If not acted upon, no other person is harmed.
Some people are afflicted with the need to steal, to rob, to murder, should we have compassion for them also as you are asking for compassion for those that would harm children. Nah, you do the crime you do the time, and the time and punishment should be the greatest amount and severity we can give to these child molesting criminals. And when I call child molesters criminals, I am insulting proper criminals and for that I apologize to the proper criminals.
@@renny3816 People are not criminals for simply existing. They didn't ask to be Born or to have pedophilia. You can't blame them over something they can't control.
Thank you for this interview. Do pedophiles tend to cover their real impulses/orientation having a romantic relationship with an adult? Can they get aroused having intimacy with an adult? Thank you.
It's always anxiety inducing for me to be honest about this subject because I'm diagnosed as someone on the autism spectrum, I already have enough issues due to my neurological developmental disorder. I remember being in that counselor's office after the psychiatrist given the results for my autism tests for the diagnosis; I couldn't for the life of me feel like I could discuss my attractions, my intuition was to slowly ease my way into the subject after gaining a trust with this but ultimately I never at all talked about, not even once. And after fully grasping the fact of mandatory reporting laws I knew my intuition was correct. I was 18 years old at the time. I've of course found ways as a healthy outlet like only directing my attention towards fictional characters which for me helps alot but I can't recommend that'll be helpful for everyone because everyone is different simply enough. I remember how much I found romantic attraction towards a Disney character from an animated movie, same for a videogame character; it's not something that'll go away but can be managed in many different ways in my opinion it just depends on the person and situation.
Depends vastly. Non exclusive pedophiles get aroused by adults as well. Some pedophiles hide their orientation out of fear and encourage others to do so as well, while others are honest, sometimes leading to the end of the relationship, even if they are non offending. :)
Leading experts in the field estimate that 1-2% of adult males are exclusive paedophiles (only attracted to prepubescent children) and that 20-50% of adult males are non-exclusive paedophiles (attracted to children and adults). Self-report studies support these figures.
I am a paedophile, not a molester. This would help explain why I feel the way I do. Thank you, Dr Cantor.
This almost made me cry. I am not a monster. I am a good man with a good heart and would not hurt anybody; let alone a child. "mga59, than you for your comment.
@@joevasquez3434 Not everyone will act on it and I sure wouldn’t. The fact that you can’t understand speaks ignorance. Have a good day.
@@mga59xbd38 The person you were replying to seemed to be supportive on your comment. I'm not sure why you said you think he can't understand when he thanked you for your comment.
@@snusnu39 I didn't understand what he meant. I do now.
That's very brave of you to say, and I agree with it.
As long as you don't offend you haven't done anything wrong, please don't be too hard on yourself.
Great interview. It really opened up my mind and dispelled my ignorance. I thought you asked some interesting, educated questions 👍
Thank you for this conversation as much as I don't want a child to get hurt .I think it's important for people to get help and if they're seeking help should be allowed to get help
You had an opportunity to talk to someone who is an expert in his field, and you guys are mostly discussing how people feel about pedophilia + how to prevent offending or 'cure' it... I am missing the part where you really go into what pedophilia is and why these people are attracted to children. Why did this not come up more?
People are attracted to children cuz they are sick in the head and need to be "cured" Nothing a little forced expiration can cure.
IT'S CALLED SATANIC PERVERSION
They're born that way. Same as heterosexuals are born the way they are and homosexuals are born the way they are. The dr said it's all about brain structure.
Because there is not enough research
Thanks for this comment now I know that it would have been an hour of my time wasted, heh. :)
He made a good point about the level of discourse today in general. There's this false premise that there are only two sides to any topic. So pick a side, support it 100% and attack the other side. Of course, real life doesn't follow such a simple, easy-to-use model as that.
Amazing discussions! New learning, Very informative, answered lots of questions in my mind. & only science can find the solutions.
14:00 It may be genetic as most things are. But from what I have been observing on the Internet and through reports is that men had their own childhood and childlikeness taken from them early on either through child sexual abuse or through other mental abuse forms where they were not allowed to continue being children but had to become vigilant, fearful or take on adult responsibilities. This is a severe trauma. When the trauma is way repressed into the unconscious it will take on a life on it's own and begin to funnel through in their adult lives in very neurotic ways. When they could not allow themselves to be the child during childhood they later on will very likely fantasize about children craving that childlike mental state and it often becomes sexualized. This is a very horrendous cycle of suffering that must come to an end now. People need to talk openly about this in group therapy. Thank you Dr. Cantor for addressing this urgent problem.
That is only a portion of the p3d0philes. P3d0phila, largely, is treated by nature the same as all other orientation. Nature is what it is, it isn't bent on balance, fairness, or anything you want it to be.
James Cantor I hope you nothing but the best! You are a Saint among the human race!
Whatever made us sexual was different no matter what of time it was no matter homosexuality, pedophilia, or fetish! No matter time it was it's always part of the human race!
@@DarkMonster771 YES... THE SATANIC PART... #garbage
Lol predator alert
@@janjohnson6622 You sir are the garbage and a liar!
Yes, very well said. I feel much less alone.
Wow. Very impressed with the quality of this discussion, both interviewer and guest.
Completely agree. I feel much less alone now.
Excellent topic and conversation!
It's so weird that I collected a lot this information already...I agree
Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us. I really appreciate learning more about it, and understanding them better.
LOL
Good video, very informative
This is one area if studied I'm planning on going into
Be careful of the crazies, that don't want to help pedophiles, if they say why are you helping them, just say because "you're too dim to understand nuance". Just ignorant savethechildren closet pedophiles.
Remember the story of the man who mistook his wife for a hat? Could it be wires crossed?
PERHAPS also the VULNERABILITY of children may be a key...perhaps adults are so walled up emotionally that real emotional connection seems impossible.
AND maybe it's the desire to be that child again...stealing the child's innocence.
I agree that this is also a key factor into this particular subject! I have thought this myself and am surprised to find this comment
It takes a deep level of emotional insight to interpret this!
There is some sort of unconscious experience of that dynamic (reclaiming innocence but not knowing how, extreme emotional imbalances) from a human existential standpoint
This existential dilemma doesnt necessarily enter the realm of any type of sexual irregularity
BUT
Someone already having issues with pedophilia may interpret those emotional blockages in such a way that it makes them more inclined to act on their urges
perhaps it is a combination of many factors
cross wiring, emotional imbalance, trauma, personality disorder
At that point it could be either a combination of sexual assault and pedophilia/hebephilia, sexual assault only, or ped/hebephilia only
it’s extremely nuanced and I feel that it is very important to differentiate each one from the other in order to understand ithe entire thing more clearly
Thank you for your comment it is nice to hear from another thinking of the nuances of life.
What you describe is not really pedophilia. There *are* people who target kids because they're more vulnerable. There are also people who target kids because they're easier to manipulate than adults. And there are people who target kids to spite their innocence. Such people, however, are typically not highly attracted to kids, and, therefore, not pedophiles. Most child sex abusers are not actually pedophiles but are people who suffer from a variety of far less stigmatized but just as (if not more) dangerous conditions.
Some people are just intellectually or socially impaired so they settle for a kid because children are less intimidating. Others are straight antisocial so target kids simply because they're available or (shudder) as a form of retaliation against the parents (yeah, that's a thing). Still others have such a high sexual drive and such a low level of restraint that they target children just because they're the more efficient option at any given moment. All of these is a motivation distinct from pedophilia, so most abusers are actually people who prefer adults.
Pedophilia is just a matter of sexual attraction. All of these psychological oddities might or might not be pertinent at the time this fetish/orientation/paraphilia gets imprinted, but once it gets imprinted (often well before puberty) the attraction is with the person for life. Even if these supposed psychological causes are resolved, the attraction is already there and highly unlikely to change much. It's kind of like, even though you got that tattoo while drunk, you're still going to have that tattoo after you sober up. The causes aren't needed to sustain the effect.
great podcast! Do you have an email for Dr Cantor?
You can find more here: www.jamescantor.org/
Wow. It does not seem crazy to me to have zero tolerance for a single "slip", where the "slip' is an adult sexually molesting a child. I really don't understand Cantor's position.
Where does he mention a slip literally being molesting a child?
@@klaud7311 when he says "a slip means a kid gets hurt". Maybe he meant a pedophile "slips" and a kid gets a bruised elbow??? But if he's saying a pedophile slips and a "kid gets hurt", it appears he's referring to the pedophile hurting the child in the act of pedophilia.
I agree
I agree with much of what he says, but that one was strange.
Where does Cantor say otherwise?
I question do we really need to open the door for every person to come out of the closet with their sexual interests making them public? Do we have to validate every single sexual interest publicly?
I know this is an old comment but I believe the point is that validating potential offenders (and thus, leading them to feel less ostracized) has the greater impact in reducing abuse which would be a great thing, and it would not only help prevent reoffenders, but also prevent sexual abuse numbers from growing in the first place.
You've missed the point
NO! We should make sex a PRIVATE MATTER again. Get rid of porn, and stop talking about our sex lives in public.
I hate that LGBT is so “political” now, when it should really be something private.
Absolutely. Bc let's pretend that it has nothing to do with sex.. what if it's trauma..addiction..terminal illnesses? No support...access to medical help, treatment, management...ugh that perpetuates the problem..
Have you even been abused by someone? Gaslit? Injured physically..sexually Etcetera.... there's more help for victims.. not enough for people that are harmful. The stigma is increased..in the USA patient doctor confidentiality goes out the window for those just thinking of hurting others or themselves.. it's required.. doctors don't want that liability.. the majority of society will pitchfork stigmatized illnesses, disorders, symptoms, syndromes and then wonder why the problem never goes away or decreases... just kill them...cut their privates(studies show that doesn't do shit)... lock them up...
I can go on... but societies perception..misinformation.. whatever is not helping anyone...including victims..
Do you have a better solution? No one here wants to normalize child marriage if that is what you are worried about.
People just want to live without harming anyone and no one harming them. Are they asking for too much? Just live in peace? Is it too much?
Does anyone know weather its something that is hereditary???? Could it be passed on from a parent, or just a brain malfunction.
Well, Dr. Cantor has elsewhere stated that *homosexuality,* itself, is not directly inherited. The mother's immune system causes it under certain circumstances, but the immunal traits that cause it *could* be inherited. So, it stands to reason that pedophilia has a similar etymology. Not necessarily inherited, but definitely not learned.
What he's said about the etiology of pedophilia is that it has a strong correlation with left-handedness (which is also true of homosexuality). Handedness is determined early in pregnancy. So, pedophilia, one way or another, has early origins.
But none of this makes it *genetic.* We just know that it's almost certainly not learned, some "trauma response," or anything that could easily be unlearned.
I disagree. It is most definitely learned. You can take one look at the society we live in and it's trajectory and see it clearly.
@UNCIVILIZE any proof to back up that claim???? Just curious, thanks for the imput.
@@thegroovypatriot Your uneducated disagreement doesn't counter the science, which shows that it is hardwired during the first trimester of pregnancy.
@@thegroovypatriot Didn't even listen to the interview. There's nothing new about it.
I also believe that addiction is something which people cannot help and are born with. When I was a baby, I’d wake up in the middle of the night crying and wouldn’t stop until my mom brought me to the kitchen and gave me a bowl of cereal. I used to sneak into the kitchen late at night and eat entire jars of grape jelly or drink entire 2 liter bottles when I was a very young child. When I was in fourth grade, I wrote that when I grew up I “wanted to be an alcoholic.” Despite attending a closed off, sheltered boarding school, I sought out drugs desperately, connecting with sketchy people and fooling psychiatrists into prescribing me narcotics. By the end of high school, I’d overdosed twice. Then, for over a decade, I continued in extremely damaging drug abuse.
This was all despite the fact that no one in my family ever once used drugs or drank around me. Furthermore, my childhood was extremely privileged aside from one instance of sexual molestation (I strongly disbelieve that this event had much to do with my addiction given that I started displaying addictive behaviors for years before that event).
There remains a regard towards addicts as dangerous, negligent, morally depraved, and worthless. I hope that research can be done which may make such groundbreaking strides as that carried out by Dr. Cantor in regards to addiction.
If my addiction were identified at a young age, I wouldn’t have ruined so much of my life, destroyed so many relationships, and damaged my body so irreparably.
With psychiatrists, if you confess to them that you are an addict, you are flagged as being denied from access to certain drugs. This only compels addicts to seek out unregulated, unverified, often lethal options which can only be obtained through engaging with dangerous people and to take on an equally high risk lifestyle. If addicts could be prescribed regulated amounts of various drugs and could be monitored by professionals, so many issues in our society may be resolved. Issues spanning death through accident or suicide, organized crime, work force incompetence, employment denial, automobile and other heavy machinery accidents, sexual deviancy, and more extremely urgent and pervasive social issues.
One scruple I have with what you said (despite mostly being ok with it) is that "addict" implies the presence of an associated *behavior.* "Pedophile," despite the routine misuse of this word, does not.
Pedophiles are not more driven to rape kids than ordinary people are driven to licit sexual activity. Celibacy is totally an option for them, and most of them seem to manage limiting themselves to just fantasy as their outlet. Addicts, by definition don't do this. Sure, someone could be born with "addict biology" and go their whole life without ever developing a habit for an addictive substance, but
1. this would probably be more difficult for them to do than for a pedophile to live celibate
and
2. if they managed to do this, they wouldn't qualify for the label "addict," though am abstinent pedophile still qualifies for the label "pedophile".
@@somexp12 addict does not imply a behavior. I’m an addict and I’ve been clean for 3 years. You can be born an addict and never use drugs. My comment has to do with the exact sort of stigma you’re describing: the assumption that addiction is something that presents itself only in those who, of their own volition, engage in self destructive abuse of drugs. What I’m saying is that much like DNA may offer us answers and solutions to the problems of pedophilia, DNA can also predict addiction is applied thusly.
You’re scruple has to do with your definition of addiction and your regard for addicts. What I’m saying is that such perceptions as those you prescribe to are stigmatic and inclined towards perpetuating the biases and institutions that punish and oppress addicts.
@@somexp12 please research the subject of addiction more in depth because your final statement regarding the status of someone as “not an addict upon their cessation” is wrong. It’s wrong both in a cognitive sense and neurological sense.
@@FrostRare Sure, I'm aware of this understanding, which pervades the 12 step and treatment communities. In that case, we have "addicts" being those people I described as "born with an 'addict biology'".
I've done my time enough to know what you're describing. However, ordinary people don't always use the word this way. For them, an "addict" needs to be currently engaged in the behavior or, at least, in between shortly spaced episodes of engaging. The same is true with psychiatric diagnoses, in which you need to have engaged in the behavior within the last 12 months to qualify for an X use disorder.
And it's not like they're "wrong" to talk like this. They still have vocabulary to refer to the currently sober and the never have used people with "addict biology" as still at risk. All the same phenomena are described. The idea that someone who never used or someone who's been abstinent for 10 years might still have an unexpressed drive to use is still accounted for. "Addict" is just not used to refer to it.
@@somexp12 okay let’s give each other the benefit of the doubt here and break our respective points down to their bare bones. This was the point of my original post:
_Addiction, much like pedophilia as it is described in this video, is a disorder that the sufferer mustn’t be condemned for being afflicted by. Furthermore, the mental healthcare system needs to adjust itself to understand both pedophilia and addiction to be disorders that have nothing to do with personal failures on the part of the patient, rather have to do with neurochemistry, cognitive problems, trauma, etc.”_
What is your point and how does it conflict with mine?
James, don't let those who oppose your views bully you. Gaz
"Sex drive-reducing medications"? That's (part of) the answer? That's severely disappointing. (However, I have an hour of listening to go, so I don't know what other treatments Cantor suggests. But obviously, I had to react --- fly off the handle! defy the inner Vulcan!)
Well it's better than living your whole life trying to "contain" your sexual fantasies.
There are currently no other scientifically based treatments at this time, unfortunately. There is currently no medication, psychotherapy, or surgery to cure paraphilias, including pedophilia. Pedophilia can only be mitigated, and even those treatments are limited (such as the “sex drive reducing medications”).
@@katvtay castration will stop urges
@@Jason-si8iu Wait until you hear about this fancy new invention: prescription testosterone: now available on the black market!
needing to meet this @DR cantor guy
EDIT:
how do i tag him in this comment
Maybe easier to find him on Twitter
It's simply about power _ lots of virtue signals coming from the lab nerd
In some cases of molestation by sadists, yes. Is that a universally applicable statement about paedophilia? No.
This is simply wrong in every way that something can be wrong. Rape is about power. Attraction is in the brain. Both are very real. And who exactly do you think he's virtue signaling to? This is a very unpopular opinion. "The woodchipper" is how you do virtue signaling on this issue.
@@JETZcorpthe inclination towards pedophilia is just as natural and as wrong as the inclination towards rape ?
Please elaborate on the distinction you draw , rape is wrong because it harms other people , pedophilia is wrong because it can harm children
@@letsfaceit9187 You just answered it yourself. Rape is an act of harming another person. Pedophilia is the mental attraction to children. Yes it *can* cause harm and often does but it doesn't have to. If not acted upon, no other person is harmed.
Some people are afflicted with the need to steal, to rob, to murder, should we have compassion for them also as you are asking for compassion for those that would harm children.
Nah, you do the crime you do the time, and the time and punishment should be the greatest amount and severity we can give to these child molesting criminals.
And when I call child molesters criminals, I am insulting proper criminals and for that I apologize to the proper criminals.
They all are criminals. We need to protect our children from these sick individuals.
@@renny3816 how are they criminals if they haven't done anything
Yea you probably should
@@renny3816 People are not criminals for simply existing. They didn't ask to be Born or to have pedophilia. You can't blame them over something they can't control.
@@valentinbermudez9469 IT IS THE INTENT TO DO HARM, IT STARTS IN THE HEART. SICK. EVIL. PERVERTS.
Thank you for this interview. Do pedophiles tend to cover their real impulses/orientation having a romantic relationship with an adult? Can they get aroused having intimacy with an adult? Thank you.
It's always anxiety inducing for me to be honest about this subject because I'm diagnosed as someone on the autism spectrum, I already have enough issues due to my neurological developmental disorder.
I remember being in that counselor's office after the psychiatrist given the results for my autism tests for the diagnosis; I couldn't for the life of me feel like I could discuss my attractions, my intuition was to slowly ease my way into the subject after gaining a trust with this but ultimately I never at all talked about, not even once. And after fully grasping the fact of mandatory reporting laws I knew my intuition was correct. I was 18 years old at the time.
I've of course found ways as a healthy outlet like only directing my attention towards fictional characters which for me helps alot but I can't recommend that'll be helpful for everyone because everyone is different simply enough.
I remember how much I found romantic attraction towards a Disney character from an animated movie, same for a videogame character; it's not something that'll go away but can be managed in many different ways in my opinion it just depends on the person and situation.
@@shotakonkin2047 YOU NEED BETTER COUNSELING. STOP USING THE AUTISM TO MASK THE BEHAVIOR YOU WANT TO DO.
Exclusive or non exclusive? Even exclusive one's I think can act to get to the children
Depends vastly. Non exclusive pedophiles get aroused by adults as well.
Some pedophiles hide their orientation out of fear and encourage others to do so as well, while others are honest, sometimes leading to the end of the relationship, even if they are non offending. :)
Leading experts in the field estimate that 1-2% of adult males are exclusive paedophiles (only attracted to prepubescent children) and that 20-50% of adult males are non-exclusive paedophiles (attracted to children and adults). Self-report studies support these figures.
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A rational, science-based approach to the topic will be the one most conducive to children's well-being. That trumps your disgust.