Genestealer Cults New Detachments and Nerfs? Nine BIG Changes from the New Codex
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- Let's talk through the major changes of the new Genestealer Cults Codex and what they mean for the uprising!
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0:00 Intro
1:37 Cult Ambush
3:27 Datasheet Gains
4:32 Benefictus Rules
6:21 Detachments
7:08 Brood Brother Auxilia
9:23 Acolytes
11:19 Xenocreed Congregation
12:57 Neophytes
13:49 Biosanctic Broodsurge
15:26 Aberrants
17:08 Host of Asenscion
19:41 Patriarch + Jackals
20:11 Outlander Claw
21:56 Outro - เกม
Its crazy that with these codex's you can see they were made after 10th launch because the SoB weren't doing well at launch, so everything got buffed across the board. While with the GSC one they nerfed everything across the board because we could deal with Knights and Aeldari early 10th.
That actually makes a fair bit of sense.
Gameplay nerfs aside, the real issue is that whoever is writing the not-so-great codexes is sucking all the FUN out of playing these armies.
Seems clear at this point there there are 2 separate teams doing these codexes in release pairs.
A Team: Necrons, Space Marines, Orks, CSM, Sisters, Tau, Drukhari.
B Team: Nids, Admech, Dark angels, Custodes, GSC.
Although i agree in general there is just 2 tidbits here.
1.The necron codex is very VERY awfull. It has only 5 detachments out of which only 2 are useable, the others might as well not exsist. With silver tide not even getting any representation.
I know you are refering to the necrons power on release here, but that was atributed to the pointscosts, not the shit codex.
2.Drukhari has jet to get a dex. They just got a secound detachment so far(sky splitter) because real space raid was and IS outright the worst detachmment in the game.
(3. Id argue the tyranid codex is one of the better ones even, its detachments are GOOD other than crusher... awfull, downright worthless army abilities and allot of limp datasheets yes... but still very fixable with mere points)
@@galling2052 yea as a tyranid player I feel like the codex is bad because lack of strength power creep & a lot of restrained design out of fear of what we did last edition. I generally really like how nids play, so some small points cuts and strength increases would be fun. Also as a genestealer cult player… go f*ck yourself GW
@@galling2052 I don’t recall Necrons cause I don’t play them and I’m new but from the codexes I seen released and talked about people care for two things good, thematic and/or fun. If there is a team B they aren’t achieving any of those three things.
One necron detachment I know isnt the best but thematic is destroyer one but is thematic and the person I played had fun at 1000 points.
Basically it feels like a team bought on the write rules who was given a “cheat sheet” for 40k and throwing rules at each faction .
Space Marines is really inconsistent, and the army rule is boring garbage.
I don't think there are necessarily two different teams. It seems more like that if the army was strong by the time the codex was written, it was weakened. SM, Tyranids, Admech and Necrons are first codexes and thus all of them are among the worst, SM only seem good because they have so many options, so they have a unit for benefiting from any mechanic. First codexes, like 9th edition necrons, tend to be bad.
I LOVE HAVING 2 S12 WEAPONs IN THE WHOLE CODEX
Both of which are hqs
Hey, it fits with the tyranids codex. 2 units have S12, one has S14, and one has a really awful S18 gun.
@@delilahfox3427 How else to plan on wounding rhinos on 2s, smart guy?
If we focus are psker powers we can turn the bad GW codex writers into chaos spawn
Sadly, we are GSC magi and so our psychic power is terrible.
Unfortunately GW removed the psychic phase so the best we can do is cast gun
I'm not sure if the "B-Team" of writers isnt already consisting of chaos spawn given how bad the results of their work are.
In my time of playing 40k over 7 edition changes, 10th must be the first were I've seen people hope that they dont get a new codex.
What...
Nerfs to neophytes, abberants, abominants? Nerfs to the army rule? Removal of Brood Brothers except for one detachment?
Why did they nerf both mining lasers AND seismic cannons?
And what's with these detachment rules? Why are they so specific and situational? A whole detachment that buffs only abberants and purestrains...
I'm a dedicated GSC player, and I felt like I just got gut punched. The core parts of rhe faction that were good got gutted with almost nothing being brought up to compensate.
The only possible way this is salvageable is with lower point costs, but the faction already is too expensive to collect so having to buy more is going to SUCK.
I was so excited for this, but now my stomach is turned.
Basically every army has it's new detachments only buff certain units. That part should surprise nobody
I actually think generally the rules are solid. There's a lot of cool synergies packed into the detachments. Pissed about return to the shadows though, they took away a super fun playstyle
The datasheet nerfs are sure to come with points cuts, though I'm not sure they'll estimate correctly just how much. Abbrents need to drop like 10 points per model, which I doubt they'd do right out the gate
Welcome to the club. If it makes you feel better, I feel better than I did when I read the Custodes Codex.
@@rickrivers2021
I mean, sure, there's SOME decent kit here for them to play with, but it feels like a lot of the units that would benefit from them got their knees taken out with a bat.
Welcome to 10th edition. An edition that's somehow worse than 9th.
@@MrGorillafist
I actually like that overall the game is simpler to set up and play. It's certainly been helpful for the new players in my group to actually start playing full 2k scale matches.
Some of the CODEX releases, however, have been straight garbage, like AdMech.
They fucked up my aberrants bad
This codex is quite simply a rancid turd. Nerfs everywhere to the point that the army has no teeth, nothing exciting or new other than another character we didn't need and really f*cked off by the brood brothers restriction.
There's no way I'm giving GW money for this codex: why should I pay to get shat on?
Oh no, you’re going to have to actually use skill. However will you cope
@@Malty404obvious bait
@@Malty404 the guy is playing GSC, he has skill.
@@Malty404skill was a feature of 9th edition. 10th already killed the skill, now it also killed the power. They need to get rid of cult ambush entirely. It should either be a reliable feature or gone.
Super disappointed in the Benefictus. A mediocre S12 shot that may end up doing as little as 2-3 damage to a tank isn't super impressive given the odds of wounding something like a Land Raider are about 22% (assuming my math is remotely correct). And if you risk the hazardous and fail, he flat out dies. The lethal hits are nice, but 80 points seems pretty steep for a one trick pony with an iffy chance to pull off a second trick.
And what's with the demo charge and seismic cannon nerfs? Just crazy. But wait boys and girls, we're not done. Let's not forget about the nerf to Abberants. That's just a GIANT middle finger to the army in a very vehicle-heavy meta.
As someone who was seriously considering starting GSC as a third army, this gives me serious pause. It's like they went back and got the Dark Angels/AdMec/Custodes writers to do this one...
But why? Why they decided to nerf the core of the army? To make them admech tier in price or even worse? I literally just don`t understand to be fair...
In the words of Dave Chappelle, “cuz eff ‘em, that’s why.”
Remember from here on out that GW isn’t a rules company first. They make and sell miniatures and miniature accessories.
I mean its like how they randomly nerfed possessed, master of possession and maulerfiend for csm as the codex came out despite none of those units being abused heavily.
Real shame that cult ambush was nerfed.. very cool rule but in the numerous games ive played against my friend (a GSC player) I've only seen it work a handfull of times and even fewer times has it mattered. Feels very unreliable for a main rule..
As a gsc player it has worked about a third of the time even when the indexes were released so was totally unreliable. Fun but not great and the lack of real damage means they die too easily and don't do enough damage. Shame really
They really love to give Tyranid factions unreliable rules, don't they?
All main rules for armies must be diceless and reliable!
Ah yes lets make the high risk high reward glass cannon army more glass less cannon, higher risk lower reward as it were. Good thinking B-Team. Really appreciate that the entire factions strengths were driven into the dirt because the potential ceiling of those units effectiveness by tournament level players. But I guess its not all bad, we did get an 80pt lascannon on a body.
what the serious hell are all these absurd nerfs? There is barely any strengh 12 left in the entire faction.
This is utterly unwarrented... its not like GSC was anywhere close to strong.
And the aberrant nerfs wtf.
I don't understand what caused all of these nerfs either. It's not like GSC were dominating tournament scenes or anything.
This whole codex feels like an unwarranted slap in the face.
@@micahsmith2066they were when the codex was written, pre any dataslate at the dawn of 10th
@@timunderbakke8756
I know THAT. I've been playing them since early last edition. I saw them be strong out of the gate, and they were fixed decently quickly. Recent winrates of GSC have been around 47 percent.
@@micahsmith2066that’s the problem though. The book is written with the existing meta state in mind at time of writing, not what will be the case after they’ve fixed it.
My prediction is unless thousand sons start losing asap their codex is doomed.
@@timunderbakke8756
I see. That may well be the case.
The codex is a feels bad.
Kinda needed though.... Regening entire battle line units on a 3+ (then 4+) was nuts....
Especially in a game with limited turns, thus limited unit activations, thus limited opportunities to destroy units.
Seriously they guted entire codex anti tank just to sell one medicore model. Just when you think GW can't sink any lower.
Once GW went woke it was over
Been playing my cults since 8th, so I'm not as worried about having to play a wet noodle army, but between the broad rules nerfs and taking away rules for small amounts of Brood Brothers, I'm not sure I'll even have a legal 2000 point army with this codex.
Brood brothers was a quarter of my army so if I want to play any new detachment at 2k I've got a lot of plastic to buy 🙃
I had just started to actually play this game a few months ago, and my friends pooled together to get me started and start with gsc since it was the coolest looking army to me, i had been having a blast so far but this codex literally shatters every good aspect of my army, and the couple replacement options we could lean into for certain nerfs they hit with the nerf hammer too just to ensure we are screwed, i dont even know what im supposed to do moving forward...
Just play with the old rules. Stay away from tourneys🤷♂️
Oh good: an excellent reason to not buy the codex or new GSC models for this edition. Everything is pants-on-head worse than the index. I'd seen several Sisters vs GSC matches on TH-cam and I was wondering why every game ended with the sisters winning by 30+ points. Guess this explains that.
Yeah, battle reports with the old index points and the new rules are going to be unbalanced. The index was paying through the nose for its power, Neophytes wont need to be almost double the price of guardsmen now
Your boycott won't work unless you skip out on any purchases in 10th. If you end up buying figures for another faction, then you will be doing what GW desires.
What they could of done to make cult ambush cool is make so every unit puts down markers, but they still only come back on 5+. Give them the tactical mind game of outflanking.
Dang. Sorry GSC players. Welcome to the B-Team gang.
GSC got dragged out back and had multiple felonies committed on them. They're definitely down and out until 11th. You can't make that army good with points now. There's just no point they actually do enough damage to win a game without costing some $3k for a 2000pt army. We thought Ad Mec was bad cuz their army rule only affected a few units. GSC don't even have an army rule at this point.
I just bought 2 kits of aberrants for the biosantic broodsurge detachment…
nerfs...nerfs everywhere...gw I hate u
Welp I guess I’ll return my GSC combat patrol I just ordered…all the fun stuff the army had going for it just got ripped away. I wanted to go heavy with the aberrants as they were my favorite unit but both them and their leader got nerfed to oblivion. Oh well maybe Druhkari will be more interesting this edition.
Not that you should change your mind but 1. they can still be led by the biophagus and 2. Aberrants aren't necessarily garbage, just not as good. We don't know their points either.
@@Shyruni no the army as a whole definitely isn’t unusable or anything like that, it’s rough seeing the few units I really wanted to build the army around not be able to do what I was expecting to be able to.
Then you obviously weren't following the No. 1 rule: Pick an army you think is cool, not for its competitiveness
@@danielmartens6369 🤓
@@danielmartens6369 People are allowed to want to have fun when playing a game. Rule of Cool is copium, having fun is most important.
I've been doing the math hammer on unit crunch, its ….. really really bad going against anything T10+.
Do we have any reasonable options for those opponents?
@@odavenport7smal Melee with the new Hybrids, would be my guess. A full squad would be 12 attacks, wounding on a 4+ against vehicles, with AP- 2 and damage 3. This should cut open most Vehicles. Problem is getting into melee with a very obvious unit that is very vulnerable to overwatch.
Against Monsters with high Toughness, you have no chance, except volume fire.
@@odavenport7smal So i did a bunch more math hammer and it gotten better, if you layer buffs well the shooting is still good if a little CP hungry. The new Benifictus model give you a way to tech into anitTank/Monster. On the Mele side things get a little cracked against vehicles as 10 acolytes and primus and a biophagous can body a knight crusader , assuming they can get into combat. Mele against monsters isn't terible either as metamopths get a ton of attacks and stack well with biophagous . These are all Ruth golderberg combois requireing leaders, onetime use ablities, strats , and ridge runner support but it is doable.
The outstanding issue for me is our Dead on arrival army rule. You need leaders/enhancements to make the units work and those don't come back. I am worried we will be points priced under the assumption the army rule is good.
@@ethanlieske9678 That's reassuring to hear
I'm going to ask my playgroup if I can just keep my index rules. This is nonsense, and it makes me want to put down 40k and walk away.
What did we do to deserve this?
Idk maybe someone on the GW writing team faced demo bombs and abberants when they were good and threw a tantrum when writing a codex
Guilty of being good at countering Aeldari at the time of edition drop.
The cult ambush change does get them immune to the Deathmark special rule since it would be at the end of the necron player's movement phase.
This is what happens when you copy/paste codices over a weekend, guess at the balance, then wait to sell them over the life of an edition to space out sales.
Saved me from buying the GSC codex. Guess I'll wait till 11th.
I'll be playing OnePageRules and 9th edition. You guys can go ahead and play whatever the hell 10th is anymore.
Hey guys, look on the bright side, the only way is up, we cannot drop any further...right?
RIGHT?
I was already on the fence of selling my GSC army before the codex dropped just based on how bad they felt to play. What the hell were gw thinking nerfing all these Datasheets like this.
Army rules change hurts a lot, there might be games where you literally do not have an army rule
Great detachments and all look fun, but the actual data sheets that they will be affecting are so buns they’ll need to drop like 40% of their points
I'm REALLY trying to stay positive here
I want to stay optimistic here, but when all I see is nerf, nerf, nerf without much in return, its hard to see how even significant points drops are going to keep this army style fun to play.
Returning units are a great way to represent a large unending force without the chore of moving 100 models per turn.
Team B strikes again!
Who TF would bring a Benefictus at the printed PPM?
I just hope the points costs go down. GSC should be a horde, so while I can understand the change to Cult Ambush... I'm very disappointed in general. SoB are almost too strong.
Im just dumbfounded i play against.my gf who uses orks all her T IS HUUGE literally everything was nerfed into the ground how tf am i going to punch through T12 armour with a stregth 10 anti tank? And the one saving grace the army had was the cult ambush, and nice seismic cannons, and good C4 shenanigans. I get it it makes them more battle plan like plan 2 tunrs ahead of your opponent very GSC, just everything we have was actually nerfed into the ground when it's rough already. GW turned us from glass cannons into glass muskets
Wow, this is just… the worst possible way to design a codex for an army with a limited range of models. The fact that the only new model we got is an HQ is just a kick in the teeth; GSC is NOT hurting for characters, they need more core units, especially considering all of them just got their nuts punched.
Nerfed rules + (hopefully) lower costs just… means that people are going to be running more of what they’re already running, just at lower power.
Custodes team wrote this one
Sure did ...
That team should not be allowed to write anything ever again.
So there is the Admech, DA,Custodes and GSC team. And then Necron, Ork, Sister team. Welcome to the gang.
Custodes, Dark Angels, Admech, GSC. Same authors, has to be. Terrible.
At least this one has fun rules. With the right points, it's fixable.
The Custodes player I know the best has stopped playing 40k entirely. Worse than bad is boring
I just bought 4,000 points over the span of half a year...
I guess i ain't winning games anytime soon
Neophytes have no rule.
Because you now want to have acolytes sitting on these objectives for Cp.
So this rule practically doesnt exist.
And since there is no upydowny you wont get them on the enemy point and get back out anyway
Its so Joever :(
Change of heart, it's okay, could be worse
GSC feel like they had such a fall from 9th edition with the loss of the crossfire and exposed mechanics. It made me think ahead with my units and gave a great way to buff damage like playing a guerilla. Current Cult Ambush either feels like im gambling my units trying to trade casualties, or a cope where i say 'dont worry, if i just roll a +5 they will be back'.
I find it funny that right when I got to the section on Acolyte Hybrids, I got an ad for the Acolyte TV show.
Well, there goes my GSC to be full Astra Militarum.
Let me introduce you to my 439th auxiliary regiment.
The look kinda wierd, but the love to die for their kind of emporer.
Give them tanks, weapons and ammo. Then put some eagles above there cult sdymbols and let them fight the emporer....
Dang, the biker detachment actually looks hella fun.
Brood Brother and melee focus one look good, at least you have enough people to split fire and do missions🤔
The biker one is...meh, but what am I expecting if Marine and DA also get a dumb biker detechment🤷🏻♂️
The index is bad, REALLY bad, lower the mobility of GSC is almost like kill them slowly🤦🏻♂️
And the Magus one...are you kidding me GW🤦🏻♂️🤦🏻♂️telling the characters who are NOT suppose to stay in frontline to re-roll charge roll ? really🤦🏻♂️？
I have no words, seriously🤦🏻♂️
ah welcome to the Tau and Custodes club
I think Tau got some cool(decent) things despite losing lots of datasheets. Kind of a sidegrade.
Not so for Custodes.
My Dark Angels got hosed.
It is more of a Admech, Custodes and Dark angel club. The Tau codex has 1 strong detachment, another that is good and a few really strong datasheet.
Is the patriarch no longer an epic hero?!
Correct. But does get a rule that says you can only have 1 in the army
@@TankCommanderWatchdog F
@@TankCommanderWatchdog 😒
@@radagastthedank8902Its literally just a buff, wdym? You used to only be able to take one, the only change is that you can give him enhancements now
I don't use to complain. But that one...
Usually, they want to make the game less complicated. But it will be painfull to shot with neophytes...
They almost touch everything...
D6 respawn / D6 democharges / D6 fight on death / D6 Stratagems everywhere
"We wanted something more inconsistent than Ork shooting."
Just sad for my cultists
Aberrants. Ugh.
Make sure you rest bro ❤
The brood brothers rules reinforce my disdain with the current iteration of infantry options in Astra Militarum. This codex should have had a simplified version of some units to be used by all detachments (for example, brood brothers, heavy weapon teams, sentinels) and a expanded roster for the brood brothers detachment (artillery, leman russes, rough riders). TYhat way you could represent the hybrids looting imperial armouries/PDF support in revolutions, and a whole regiment revolting.
And GW needs to sell the characters in packs (4 or 5 for 40-50 €).
Melee acolytes are not just worse against T6+
They are literally worse against everything T3+ but giant T13 knights or baneblades.
They used to hit even Terminators on 2 by default, now they do so on a 4.
And went from wounding T3/4 on a 2 to a 3 aswell.
While also lacking the reroll wound.
And yes, they are very terrible now against anything 6+ going from a 3 to a 5 to wound.
Let’s take a mediocre faction and make them more underwhelming. Oh and you’ll need to buy more of them !
Biophagus looks cool.
Honestly, just a bit of kitbashing and the Killteam can be used as a stand-in for like 6 Genestealer HQ units
I just knew there wasn’t going to be one good thing in having the Sisters codex being decent, without having something else being utterly trashed. GSC, you irrelevant little revolutionaries, may the Star Children have mercy on your souls.
The Brood Brothers detachment seems like the same failed attempt at a combined arms detachment as the Talons of the Emperor was. Unfortunately, Talons is held up by its reactive move stratagem and most people don’t even bother using the detachment rule with it.
I own like 60 neophyte hybrids. I'm thinking of 3D printing like 2 or 3 Rogal Forms and maybe some Basilisks. I can make Leman Russes too.
I only have like 1k Genestealers anyways. Might as well take the rest in tanks LMAO
Gotta get your strength 10+ weapons somehow. Four armed emperor bless
Feels like this codex was written by someone who’s never played GSC. And the new model is a joke.
I HATE the acolyte changes. At this point im just considering shelving the army till 11th and sticking with my Black Templars
Aberrants were a bit too tough with the 4+ fnp along with a strong melee profile. Stronger than most C'tan before their points nerf and we all know what happened to the necrons.
There were some unnecessary nerfs for gsc, but abbs and demo charge changes were needed.
Very fluffy. They want playing as the underdogs to feel like it
I feel like GW is banking on everyone going nuts over the Benefictus tbh. "See?? You still have anti-tank! And everyone likes giant brains."
I'm honestly not that bummed with this codex. Yes, we got a lot of nerfs, but nothing that isn't fixable with points. And all the new detachments look fun to play, something many armies couldn't say
Really sucks that they changed "return to the shadows" so that the uppy-downy mechanic of the index is lost. I'm going to miss that playstyle
Yeah, if points don’t get more than a passing handwave. They’ll need to chop 20-30 points off of everything.
@znorman23
Yeah, Abberents need to go down a full 10ppm
Neophytes down 2ppm
Acolytes -3ppm
Metamorphs -2ppm
Bikes -2ppm
Rockgrinder and Truck could both use drops too
And then everything else is probably fine except the Magus
@@rickrivers2021 You would probably need bigger points cuts than that. Your overall reliability in getting units back have been decreased(no bonus for battleline). Your damage potential has been decreased(very few weapons with S11 or above) and even some of your durability has been decreased.
You might get just enough points to add a couple of the new model, which makes sense, since you are going to need the Lethal Hits it provides to compensate for the damage nerfs.
@fendelphi my current list would be 250 points cheaper, and I was only bringing 60 neos, 10 acos, and 10 abberents as far as the units listed, top lists would gain even more. 250 points is about 3.5 more MSU sized units. And the more units you have, the less swingy cult ambush becomes. More dice rolls flattens towards average more
@@rickrivers2021 Cult Ambush will still be swingy, since you have no control over which units that come back. Having more units simply ensures that "some of it" at least comes back.
It might be one of your small, ineffective units, or it might be your big damage dealing unit. You never know, unless you go big with everything. Which is expensive.
A full unit of Hybrids is currently around 160-180 pts, so you are not going to get a lot of extra, efficient units on the board for 250.
And getting 1.5 extra units does not make up for losing 30% of your damage output across most of your fighting force.
Screw it. I won’t buy neither this codex, nor the new boxes - despite was going to. Just finish some paining job and place GSC on the shelf until the next WH40k edition. If GW cares only about “selling” miniatures - then I’ll vote against such updates of my faction.
Oh i can’t run 25% brood brothers with the other detachments? Thats cute gw i think ill do it anyway though thank you.
"hey, admech are underpowered this edition. we need to fix them."
"I have an idea!"
*nerfs everybody else*
Some things to note:
1. Points are going to change a lot with this codex. There were nerfs for sure but if those come with drops datasheets may be okay. Let's not forget a 10 man squad of aberrants currently costs about as much as a monolith.
2. How important anti-vehicle is might change as the edition goes on. The new missions and secondaries are leaning more battleline heavy and as time goes on we may see points increases on big vehicles or just less use in general for scoring.
3. This isn't the custodes codex, there is a lot more variety and play here. From our bois having fun at muscle beach to some interesting respawn to...probably one of the better subfactions I've seen that actually work with ally rules instead of just being stapled on? No, there's no Ork levels of power here, but unless you play in actual competitive play (which from polls most of you say you don't) then that shouldn't matter and there still should be plenty of fun to have.
Thats a big IF we get pointscuts.
Tyranids, admech and CK for example desperatly need those since the very First wave of 10th changes.
GSC might never get the pointscuts to Recover from this.
Points are probably going to change. But will it be enough to compensate for the massive downgrade in damage potential and low chance of units actually returning? Also, it is not fun having to buy even more models that are "bad". Imagine Ork level accuracy on your heavy weapons, but with less toughness and less melee prowess. And now also nerf the damage output of said weapons.
The 10 model Aberrants were expensive(but really, just compare them to most Terminator Blocks), but tough and hit hard. Now they are more vulnerable(worse FNP) and lost 30-40% of their damage potential. It would require a massive price reduction to compensate for that(from 180 for 5 to something like 125 for 5).
Vehicles and Monsters are, generally speaking, the easiest way to roadblock or annihilate enemy battleline formations. So having somewhat reliable answers to such things, is a big deal. What is even worse is high Toughness Monsters. GSC might have the potential for a lot of anti-vehicle 4+ now(in melee), but they severely lack high strength weapons for dealing with big monsters. Which means they have to rely on Lethal hits, provided by the new character they have added. Convenient.
There might be a bit more variety here, but you rely a lot on the dice rolls compared to Custodes. Dice rolls for number of attacks(flames, grenades, demolition charges). Dice rolling for damage(Mining lasers, Seismic Cannons). Dice roll for saving(because the opponent will wound you fairly easily). Dice roll for returning the unit(at best a 4+ in the first 2 turns, otherwise it is a 5+). And then hope your opponent does not negate the marker. Just to point it out: You have an army rule that "encourage you" to take as many casualties as possible in turn 1 and 2, and then HOPE that you might get them back in your opponent's next turn. And it has been nerfed twice now.
Only 1 of the detachment gets to use Broodbrothers now, so in a way, the variety of units have drastically decreased compared to the Index.
I have a friend that has been playing GSC non-competetively for several years, and he has just lost all interest in the army now. Everything you try to do on the board is up to the dice roll. There is nothing to lean on, and now you cant even pick some Broodbrothers unless you choose a specific detachment.
TLDR- GSC are trash now
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I think the bots beat you
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Hot Take: The character changes and xenocreed detachment make this codex worth it - I just kitbashed a Sanctus myself when I saw their new rules
Which character changes are you refering to?
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deeply disappointed
GSC needed these nerfs.
Regening entire units on a 3+ /4+ (all the time), was nuts. Especially when Index Chaos had to pay 1CP to regen ONE MODEL per turn (and it had to be Tzeentch).
Acolytes have better powerklaws than Orks (hitting on 3s)... and more per unit... not just the unit leader, so super efficient there.
Hell, the rockgrinder had a better deffrolla (AP2 and S10), better gun choices and cheaper than a Battlewagon.
The list goes on
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2
4-5. It’s not the worst one I’ve seen but it’s certainly on the lower level. Which is a shame because I was hyped for it
4-6
Not Custodes bad but basically everything is nerfs
7.5
Two out of five is useable, so maybe 3🤔？the army rule just hit too hard IMO🤦🏻♂️
Looks like team double nerf is back in town guys... a lame codex... Again.
#boycott10th
Rule Number 1 guys: Wait for the points
While true, it is discouraging when the army is already very expensive and time consuming to collect. Imagine if they chose to "buff" Admech by giving them yet another point cost reduction.
GW really taking the axe to everything that isn’t their ‘special child’, upping prices and making everything for the game worse. A shame really, seeing a great army once again get put against the wall. 4 armies dead already, 3 half dead, and 3 being spared from the gun, nice job GW.
Edit: Upon further research, we are actually so back. There will be big changes to the rules, but the new datasheets have a lot more fluff, from the sticky obj neophites to the "witness me" hybrids, the future for the GSC is looking good
Source for us being back?!
Secounded whats your source in the good News?!
Points leaked already?
@@galling2052 the suspense is killing me!
Will it reach the top tables? Probably not. Is this going to be an absolute blast for the 99% of players who have fun at a casual level? Absolutely. The detachment rules are a bit lacking but the strats, enhancements, and unit synergies make up for it. Very reminiscent of the Guerilla warfare playstyle from older codexes. It’s a good toolbox that will reward players that put in the effort.
i do not see it even work in casual at all. They lost allmost all anti tank and allot of serious damage... they are incredibly limp now.
It better comes with serious pointscuts.
@@galling2052 If you can't kill vehicles a points cut will mean diddly squat. Most of the stuff is pretty squishy and if vehicles don't die they'll blast you apart.
@@richardwales9674 not talking in a competitive sence. The pointscuts are 100% nacessary for GSC to function in just casual in any capasity that does not require your opponent to activly bring a shitty list.
When it comes to comp GSC has been tyranided... with being to limp now to partake in the combat part of the game, GSC has been reduced to a pure score and die faction as well... 1 dimentional and lame... just like nid rules atm.
Absolute blast? They nerfed anything that was halfway decent for no reason like abberant and neophyte hybrid weapons.
@@micahsmith2066 they nerfed everything that just stat checks enemy units. Oh no, you’ll have to actually play the game.
Please go to sleep man
This is a joke. Did anything in the codex receive any kind of boost? The aberratant one is particularly heinous imo.
The Magus is slightly better...