Insta360 ONE R and GoPro Max - 360 Beginner Mistakes

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  • @EatSleep360
    @EatSleep360  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

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  • @izzojoseph2
    @izzojoseph2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yeah I got the mountain waving a bit from the stitch line

  • @rjkral
    @rjkral 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I’m new to this and loving it. Some of my favorite footage so far is when I just STOP and let the camera take in the surroundings, then do some reframing of that shot later in editing. Great points all of these!!

    • @EatSleep360
      @EatSleep360  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for your comment and for watching, much appreciated

  • @MicahGaudio
    @MicahGaudio 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    You are the GOAT! - I had to learn all of these mistakes the hard way. The biggest mistakes were shooting epic 15-30 minute videos - still not done editing. lol Only my short clips made it to final production.

    • @EatSleep360
      @EatSleep360  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for your comment - I’ve never been called the GOAT before lol so thanks for that 😊👍🏼. Have you tried the gopro reframe in plug in for adobe premiere? Also there is a desktop editor which is currently being tested for the GoPro max. I find the ONE R workflow a lot simpler.

  • @ahmadabdullah33
    @ahmadabdullah33 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Your channel is very informative. Due to those reasons I bought Insta 360 One R today..lol..yours is one of the best channel for 360 folks!

    • @EatSleep360
      @EatSleep360  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for your comment, much appreciated

  • @honoringlegacies157
    @honoringlegacies157 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    "avoid waving the camera around" Yes. This I've been learning the hard way. So many of my shots would have been so much nicer if I'd moved my camera a lot slower. I can always increase the speed of that movement later if I feel like it but I usually can't slow down a movement that was waved too fast.

  • @madxmet3705
    @madxmet3705 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’ve been looking on that drifting issue on my gopro max for awhile now. Keeps me frustrated since I have to post-edit it. Before this all I can find was that I didn’t have a sturdy tripod but I know that wasn’t the problem. Thanks for mentioning it, didn’t know it has to do with the gyro!

  • @DiscoveryXperts
    @DiscoveryXperts ปีที่แล้ว

    First time go pro user I’ve got the go pro 360 max probably the first one that came out I’m not sure looking forward to using it any and all advice taken I didn’t get a manual with it so I’m kind of relying on TH-cam to teach me and of course the TH-cam family look forward to speaking and sharing life moments with you all God bless

  • @Movelectrics
    @Movelectrics 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Currently going through your videos. Just waiting on my memory card to arrive

  • @SophoclesGrafas
    @SophoclesGrafas 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just made my mistake. Thought the handlebar mount was strong enough with the selfie stick but the joint was plastic and snapped. Down went the insta360 OneR. The lenses got scratched so now I am investing in lens guards and making sure I am securing this a lot better for bicycle rides. Thank you for the tips. Definitely having fun learning.

    • @EatSleep360
      @EatSleep360  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sorry to hear that - I’d get a Manfrotto super clamp - they are really big but very strong. I take too many risks without lens guards as well lol

  • @bookeaterintube
    @bookeaterintube 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent and practical tips. Took me ages to figure some of the issues (you addressed) myself and it's great to see them provided right out of the box for everyone!

  • @BoomsRiddico4868
    @BoomsRiddico4868 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    thank for the great vids. can I just give a bit of advice about your video light. It's washing you out a little and not flattering. May I suggest you pull it back a little and focus it (if you have that feature)

    • @EatSleep360
      @EatSleep360  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks Nik, yes I agree - my whole studio set-up, lighting and framing has changed since this video which was two years ago now. Thanks for the tips and for watching.

  • @zongfanhenfan3387
    @zongfanhenfan3387 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Thank you! It's very detailed recommendation!

    • @EatSleep360
      @EatSleep360  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      zongfanhenfan thanks for watching

  • @saiyan_princestudios9790
    @saiyan_princestudios9790 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Hmm I’ve seen hundreds of videos on 360 cameras and I think you’re the first one I’ve ever heard actually mention calibrating your gyro. 👍

    • @BillyLydon
      @BillyLydon 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Calibrating your gyro? What does that mean? Thx...

  • @JunkTasha
    @JunkTasha 4 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    How do I calibrate my max?
    Also I made every single one of the mistakes you mentioned 😬

    • @EatSleep360
      @EatSleep360  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      That’s a good question and I haven’t found it on the menu or camera - maybe post the question on the GoPro Max Facebook group

  • @ESchlegel16
    @ESchlegel16 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I am having the great debate of GoPro Max vs Insta360 OneR or OneX. I have a GoPro Hero 7 Black so the modular feature is not essential to me. Would you prefer the GoPro or Insta for just 360? I worry because the Hero 7 Black had sooooo many issues until a few months ago with a firmware update. I worry the Max might be the same way. However I already pay for GoPro's online service so if I were to break it, I would be covered. The Insta has so many hit videos and so many miss videos that I cannot decide which would be a better place to put my money. Thanks in advance.

    • @EatSleep360
      @EatSleep360  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      It is a tricky decision - I have both and I think the Max is a much better design and if you are used to GoPro it will feel really familiar. It feels more solid, better and bigger lcd screen. My biggest gripe is that GoPro are rubbish at updating firmware and we have seen no new features or updates since it was launched. Insta360 are the complete opposite and they are always updating, adding features, and solving problems. I’m not that keen on the modular system but I just keep it set up with the 360 mod. The one one x is a great camera if you don’t mind no lcd touch screen and no waterproof capability and the fact that it will get left behind with updates over the next 18 months I’m sure.

    • @ESchlegel16
      @ESchlegel16 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@EatSleep360 I very much appreciate the reply. The firmware update is exactly what I worry about. My 7 Black was completely useless for about a year because it would constantly freeze. I bought it for a Disney Cruise and it froze after 2-5 min of use every time rendering it basically useless. I feel like I missed a lot of cool possibilities because of it. However after the update, it has worked flawlessly. I worry that might be the same with the Max. I am leaning toward it still however, so I might take advantage of the Trade-Up program and save a few dollars.

  • @kuliahtransportasi
    @kuliahtransportasi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    thank you

  • @SlowMovingSaddles
    @SlowMovingSaddles 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As a future 360camera owner I’m very happy with your videos. Thank you 🙏🏻

    • @EatSleep360
      @EatSleep360  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That’s good to know, thanks for watching - take a look around my channel, there are lots of videos that will help before you get your camera

    • @SlowMovingSaddles
      @SlowMovingSaddles 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Eat Sleep 360 thanks! I already looked around. And I like what i see 😉
      Still not sure. The Insta360 one X looks still great and simple to use. The One R has the benefit of being waterproof up to 5 meters.
      Choices choices 😄

  • @WiljanWiljan
    @WiljanWiljan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Rich, great video and a great overview that's usefull for every 360 camera owner. Please stay safe and healthy in these crazy days

    • @EatSleep360
      @EatSleep360  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks, stay safe too

  • @Vuongiam
    @Vuongiam 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank you!!

  • @hachini23
    @hachini23 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Have you ever had a condensation problem with the 360 lenses? Is it normal that this camera gets crazy hot ? Thanks

    • @EatSleep360
      @EatSleep360  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I haven’t had condensation issues but I know a lot of people have and you read it on the Facebook groups. But I know the camera gets crazy hot - the update stopped it cutting out but it still gets too hot in my opinion.

  • @DarkStoneCastle
    @DarkStoneCastle 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Biggest mistake youtubers make is at 6:52 when they don't adjust the audio levels properly, going from soft to extremely loud. Good video, though. Helpful.

    • @EatSleep360
      @EatSleep360  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sorry about that, lazy mistake - thanks for pointing it out though 👍🏼

  • @JLBREMER
    @JLBREMER 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I just got a Go Pro Max yesterday and was so frustrated with it. I was inspired by getting a Quest 2 and saw how valuable and exciting the VR content was. So I wanted to dabble in my own. Almost $600 later... had to upgrade my editing software and buy the stupid hvec extension codec thing from Microsoft for .99 and now finally I’ve got it to a point where I can work with it (editing wise) now to figure out how to keep the stitch lines out. I’m still on the fence maybe I’ll keep it for a week and keep experimenting.

    • @EatSleep360
      @EatSleep360  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      With any of the 360 camera they are all processor heavy - the Max has massive files. The stitch lines can be more prominent at times with the Max because of the wider body. Keep it further away from yourself and surfaces by using a selfies stick and don’t mount it or place it right next to objects and this will help the stitching.

  • @f1pitpass
    @f1pitpass 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    cheers! good rundown on the tips! Biggest mistake I made was to run out of battery while filming a Carp, just sub surface, 'kissing' the dive case... I lost all the footage :(

  • @bachevaz72
    @bachevaz72 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for great advices

  • @Tomasz.Nowacki
    @Tomasz.Nowacki 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you tell me more about that drifting gyro thing ?? I have gopro max and noticing there is one scene where at some point camera stuburnly wants to drift out no matter if i select a keyframe to be exactly focused a bit somehwere else any ideas if you fix it on max somehow ??

    • @EatSleep360
      @EatSleep360  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I couldn’t see calibrate gyro in the camera menu - maybe it’s in the app

    • @Tomasz.Nowacki
      @Tomasz.Nowacki 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@EatSleep360 ok thank you :)

  • @DendiWahyu
    @DendiWahyu 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What i have to purchase, Gopro Max or Insta360 One R Twin?

    • @EatSleep360
      @EatSleep360  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Take a look at my playlist on which camera to buy

  • @MichaelBelsey
    @MichaelBelsey 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am planning on purchasing the ONE R and one of the situations I'll use it for is VR tours for my real estate business. I am planning on using a selfie stick and want to be sure I use a decent tripod for the bottom. I see one in the background of your video that seems to have 3 legs that sit flatter. Is that my best bet? I looked at the link to your 360 kit and don't see one that looks like that one.

    • @EatSleep360
      @EatSleep360  4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Michael Belsey that is the base for the bushman monopod which is the best monopod first virtual tours - take a look at my review of it here th-cam.com/video/hLIKOnDeVfE/w-d-xo.html - they have just updated their site and I need to update my affiliate codes and discounts - if you can wait I’ll be able to get you a 5% discount - not a lot but all helps. If you’re not worried then just go to the link in the video. Hope this helps, thanks for watching

  • @bryanthefishermanbaker4961
    @bryanthefishermanbaker4961 ปีที่แล้ว

    I am new to fishing I watch a lot of fishing videos and wanted a GoPro to record myself I won a GoPro max at a golf tournament I have been filming in hero should I film in 360 or hero thanks

    • @EatSleep360
      @EatSleep360  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Here mode records with one lens in one direction, it’s easier because it produces a file that can be used straightaway and doesn’t need editing. However 360 mode will mean you are filming with both lenses so you will see everything that is going on. The final video has to be reframed so you have to tell the camera which way to look - this is a bit of a learning g curve but gives you so many more options. This video is a bit old now but will still show you the basics of how to reframe your shot th-cam.com/video/s98E7dUxor8/w-d-xo.html Any other question please add a new comment, don’t reply to this as I don’t see the replies. Hope this helps.

  • @MountAbuTravelGuide
    @MountAbuTravelGuide 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey buddy...
    I am a hiker and adventure activities planner.. i am planning for a action camera. I want to gv my clients exclusive activity footage of them doing activity.. also use the clips in my youtube videos. I am absolutely new to video and photography...
    Confused with insta 360 one r with 1 inch sensor , gopro hero 9 and hopro max..
    Please suggest me which should i get..

    • @EatSleep360
      @EatSleep360  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for your comment - if you’re absolutely new to video then 360 video will have a much bigger learning curve. If you’re not interested in 360 I would say get the hero 9. If you want 360 I would buy the twin edition - at first use the 4K mod to film your customers as this will be easier, if it was me I would only film 15s at a time and then use the story editor to put it into a quick montage of the day - this would make your job so much easier. Otherwise you will have hours of footage to go through which is very time consuming. Use the 360 mod on your own and get used to what it can do and how to use it and then slowly introduce it into filming your clients. The 360 mod is a lot more vulnerable to lens scratches so just be careful. These are just a few ideas but I hope it helps. Please look at a few other videos as well and go on the Facebook groups before making the decision as this will help a lot. Thanks, Rich

    • @MountAbuTravelGuide
      @MountAbuTravelGuide 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@EatSleep360 ur suggestion is wise and helpful to me... Thanks a lot🙏🙏

  • @Parrothed5150
    @Parrothed5150 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    If you had to choose one R what would you get? R or Max? I have a GoPro 8 as well.

    • @EatSleep360
      @EatSleep360  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Chuck Ostrom thanks for the comment - I prefer the look and design of the Max but I would get the ONE R because insta360 are way ahead when it comes to the features they offer and the fact that they are constantly updating firmware and fixing issues. The one r is basically a GoPro as well because of the modular design. GoPro haven’t updated since November and still haven’t got a desktop editor.

    • @Parrothed5150
      @Parrothed5150 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Eat Sleep 360 How are ease of use and image quality compared between the two?

    • @EatSleep360
      @EatSleep360  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Chuck Ostrom image quality are very similar - the GoPro colours are nicer and it’s an easier camera to use especially if you’re used to the GoPro interface, it just feels familiar. It’s just such a shame they are so slack on their updates and features.

  • @WiljanWiljan
    @WiljanWiljan 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    by the way..the extension arms that you indicated are from Amazon (Gobudi)...They really look nice, but are not available unfortunate via Amazon UK, Amazon NL or DE. Only in the US

    • @EatSleep360
      @EatSleep360  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I bought the extension arms from ebay but I also bought this longer one from Amazon amzn.to/2WTPmQv

  • @r3riderassam404
    @r3riderassam404 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I want to buy a 360 action camera 📷. Which one I pick ?

    • @EatSleep360
      @EatSleep360  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Check out the videos on my channel comparing and reviewing different cameras and this will help. It depends mainly on what you are using it for, if you want it all in one, pocket friendly, only to shoot 360, how extreme the sports are, water use etc - create a list of exactly what you want and need and start from there. Then eliminate the ones that don’t fit into your list and watch a lot of videos on the ones that do from several channels. My favourite is the one x2 but don’t just take my word for it. Hope this helps a bit

    • @r3riderassam404
      @r3riderassam404 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I have a go pro hero 8. My need is only to capture the 360 footage. I think insta 360 twin edition is better for me?

  • @davidkincaid8235
    @davidkincaid8235 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hi Rich, I see you are suggesting the SanDisk Extreme Pro. I am having problems with my one R camera not recording or just starting and stopping when it wants to or like yesterday froze had to hold down the power button for 20 seconds. Then turned back on shot a few more clips but when I got back home there was only the first clip shot? I have been talking with Insta360 and they suggested the SanDisk Extreme, V30. I was using Samsung's EVO class 3 disk most of the time but yesterday I switch to the SanDisk. Don't have the Pro, do you think the write speeds are the issue?

    • @EatSleep360
      @EatSleep360  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      I use extreme and extreme pro but if insta360 have said to use the extreme then I’d use that. The pro in theory should be a better card but it will vary from one camera to the next. But definitely I would stick to sandisk as a brand - I’ll update the description soon with suggested cards from the various sites. Thanks for watching.

    • @EatSleep360
      @EatSleep360  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      ..but yes write speeds are usually the problem and I have had issues with Samsung in the past and now only use Sandisk

  • @steveshellenberger-letsmak6283
    @steveshellenberger-letsmak6283 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good tips Rich. Thanks

  • @ShinilPayamal
    @ShinilPayamal 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the awesome tips!

    • @EatSleep360
      @EatSleep360  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for the comment, much appreciated

  • @MensaheroMoYT
    @MensaheroMoYT 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the info...

  • @EatSleep360
    @EatSleep360  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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  • @StopSmokingStopDrinking
    @StopSmokingStopDrinking 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank man.....so useful

  • @EatSleep360
    @EatSleep360  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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    @EatSleep360  ปีที่แล้ว

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    @EatSleep360  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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  • @justroman4276
    @justroman4276 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    1:27 can someone please give me a link where I can buy straight adapter? I bought 3 m selfie stick but I don't have straight adapter so I can see selfie stick in my video. :-(

    • @EatSleep360
      @EatSleep360  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Roman Namor thanks for watching - you can get them at AliExpress m.aliexpress.com/item/4000878278833.html?pid=808_0000_0131&spm=a2g0n.search-amp.list.4000878278833&aff_trace_key=&aff_platform=msite&m_page_id=3566amp-RFMsgqgGnoogtRKQNh3j7g1586534877845&browser_id=4d49e2e985874695a0e29491a53d1ced&is_c=Y&gclid=null

    • @justroman4276
      @justroman4276 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@EatSleep360 thanks a lot.

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    @EatSleep360  3 ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @brettbarker8444
    @brettbarker8444 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    6:30 me too! 🤦🏻‍♂️

  • @EatSleep360
    @EatSleep360  4 ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @miguelprera2670
    @miguelprera2670 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My first mistake was to bend the camera on the selfiestick... it was my first time with a 360 camera... then I learned

  • @waqarulhasan9737
    @waqarulhasan9737 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Problems: 1 Inch Mod
    - Record button Problem : Hit Record and nothing happens
    - Not Recording as you expect : Hit record and it stops or Freeze after few seconds.
    - Stop Recording : Stop Recording and Camera Freezes.
    - Continuously Freezes : Camera Keep Freezes all the time. In 20 Shots (8 or 9)
    Time Freezes
    - Over Heat

  • @ansonkiek6471
    @ansonkiek6471 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The interface of insta 360 so poor although have 360 preview and much intense features offered

  • @johnhodges8264
    @johnhodges8264 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks for the reply exec. file

  • @anacondahugs808
    @anacondahugs808 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    🐍What is the largest microSD card you can use in the Insta360 One R❓🐍

  • @rudepigeon
    @rudepigeon 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Recently purchased a One R, accidentally knocked it over and chipped the lens on my 360 mod 👎🏼 note to self... buy lens guards

  • @ditdot17motovlog13
    @ditdot17motovlog13 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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  • @jansvoboda9778
    @jansvoboda9778 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My expensive mistake: Buy another fast SD (V90) because i dont know one R is expensive device who cant record 360 5,7K longer than 20 min to overheat indor. Now i have V30 256Gb and 128MB V90. I can outdor helm mount make 2 x 66GB 2 x 1,5hours recording. Because i think my V30 is slow thats why overheat no..... its just overheating toy wasting another money to proof it was pain experience.

    • @EatSleep360
      @EatSleep360  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sorry to hear that - Yes it maybe that the slow card would cause it to over heat if it is struggling to record to the card. Thanks for the warning anyway and thanks for watching

    • @jansvoboda9778
      @jansvoboda9778 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@EatSleep360 For more info. I buy one R in idea dashboard cam for me helmet when i ride my electric unicycle. I use it with powerbank for permanently recording in 4K 360 on cable 2A. If i ride and airflow cooling one R i can record 4 hours file one r make 90min video and save and continue recording is fine for me. If i use it home in living room record kids example. Video in max resolution stops in 20 min and is overheated warning and stop recording. Same HDR video indor without powerbank 25 min +-. This is just feature this 360 action cams. This overheating thing. I just use this product wrong i want longtime use like security cam. This product is make to create short action shots. I spend my money to discover this. Both cards 256gb sandisk V30 is recomended for one R. Second is 128 V90 is not card overheat is just too many procesing for small device without cooling. Im just afraid what hapend in summer when sun heat helmet and camera. All competitors overheat to is just feature big resolutions big troubles. I hope on 4K 360 one R can handle summer.

  • @becausewhat293
    @becausewhat293 4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    RIP GOPRO

  • @johnhodges8264
    @johnhodges8264 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am the only one in the World who can't open video on my minimac despite downloawding 4 or 5 programmes that claim will work.?

    • @EatSleep360
      @EatSleep360  4 ปีที่แล้ว

      What file are you trying to play - the insv file? You can only play this through studio or premiere as far as I know and you need the plug in for premiere. There may be a plug in for final cut or others but I’m not sure.

  • @iancrawford2496
    @iancrawford2496 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why does he keep saying "salfy stick?"

  • @boostedrider8253
    @boostedrider8253 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very helpful and straight to the point. Subbed. I have a max 360 otw. Check out my channel soon.

  • @WaitingtheAliens
    @WaitingtheAliens 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    This camera generates Fog in the lens. And this is a hardward design problem that can't be solved. Its a pitty but NO. Thank you.

  • @EatSleep360
    @EatSleep360  4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

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