@@DarkSpyro707It came out last year. It's on Disney+, so if you haven't seen it and you have Disney+ you can watch it. just type in Rise of Skywalker in the search bar and it should come up. If you can't find it there, go to the him page, click on Star Wars, scroll down to movies and it should be the top option.
@@jasomjensai-starwars2652 Nope sorry. Simply doesnt exist. I think you had a fever dream about it, but there's definitely no Rise of Skywalker. But that would be pretty weird if they made a movie like that cause all the Skywalkers are gone.
This video makes Anakin’s line “You’re the closest thing I have to a father” so much more tragic. Obi-Wan was meant to be Anakin’s big brother and best friend, Qui-Gon’s death forced him to take on a responsibility that never should have been his and which he was not ready to bear.
@@localloser7415 Thing is in the console game for Revenge of the Sith, Obi-Wan actually says this to Anakin during their duel on Mustafar: "I only wanted what was best for you, Anakin! I was never prepared to train someone like you!"
Skills..... That make him a nightmare for people like the Sith. It's actually crazy how much sense that quote makes in the context of Qui Gon's story. Because he embodies everything the Sith fear about the Jedi.
Qui Gon Jinn is a true Jedi, Liam Neesons performance was top notch. He was the first Jedi to become a Force Ghost and his lightsaber is so basic. To those who say "he cheated in the bet with Watto, he doesn't care about the other slaves" let me put it this way. In case nobody notices, Qui Gon Jinn was dealing with a slave owner. When he and Watto started to gamble about Anakin's fate, Watto was already trying to cheat Qui Gon in order to keep Anakin a slave. If you looked closely at each side of the chance cube, two sides are colored blue for Anakin while four sides are colored red for his mother. Therefore, Qui Gon Jinn already knew Watto wasn't going to play fair. Qui Gon was under no obligation to be fair, especially with an immoral cheating slave owner who hasn't been fair with Qui Gon from the get go. So what Qui Gon did was not out of selfishness, it was out of good motivations. He also tried to free Anakin's mother from slavery as well, but Watto wouldn't allow it. So there was nothing else he could do to free her. Plus she told Anakin to leave because she wants what's best for her son and Anakin had no choice but to leave her behind which was the most difficult decision he's ever made. It's not that Qui Gon Jinn cares about slaves, it's that he can't do everything at once. He's not Superman for God's sakes and he's not gonna go out of his way to free all the slaves in a planet that is lawless and is controlled by the Hutts like Jabba The Hutt and they're the ones who calls the shots. They decide who get's to go free and who stays a slave, And If Qui Gon tries any move to help free the rest of the slaves, they would all die at once.
I mean, even if he would have liked to help the slaves, he couldnt. He had no money they accept, only credits. To actually free all the slaves they would be forced to free them by killing every major slave owner on tattooine, which in the end still would not matter because other people would rise to power and bring slavery back.
@@deiracity4503 Until the Empire ended the apathy of the Old Republic and established a permanent presence on the planet curtailing the criminal fraternity who for so long had openly violated galactic law. Qui Gon "You know how to fight 6 Sebulbas. We can teach you how to engage 600. You know how to remain hidden. We can teach you how to become truly invisible."
@Robert Ortiz-Wilson, consider his relationship with Obi-wan. A Jedi knight goes to Dexter for advice about a toxic dart. Dexter identifies it based on the dart, not the poison. in addition, Dexter and Obi-wan are clearly friends. Dexter is friends with a Jedi and a weapons expert, he must have a cool backstory.
@@anakinskywalker549 ohhhh yeah forgot about that, I have said SOOOOOOOO many wise things, I honestly always forget what I say to people. Hehe, I must just be such a wise jedi.
I think Qui-Gon Jinn was one of the most underrated Jedi from the prequel movies. His duel with Obi-Wan against Darth Maul was amazing. He's the one who discovered Annikin Skywalker and knew he was the Chosen One and he wasn't afraid to go against the Jedi Council. He followed the ways of the force and was a true Jedi.
Honestly seeing ppl complain about "lack of character arc" when we discuss "Paragon" type character like Qui-Gon or "Competent" character like Chewbacca makes me wonder if ppl really understand that not every character in a story needs an arc or character development, sometimes you just have a character that is one of these 2 types, they aren't meant to develop any further,, they are usually meant to aid protagonist in their arc, be it by direct action or by passing down their knowledge and experience, and making an actual arc for characters like that without making it somewhat redundant or straight-up silly isn't an easy task and yeah Yoda is an example of how to pull it off well but honestly can't recall much more of such examples
@@rosesweetcharlotte Well honestly I think he should be as he was pretty much that in EU at this age, but Disney just was on their legacy killing spree at this point and well now it biten them in asses so hard they supposedly seriously think of decanonizing sequels, tho a lot of that is mainly rumors, but even if half of em are true, we might be on watch for much better future for SW
totally. To me as a kid, Luke learned of the wise, powerful Jedi, but was the only one left and had no role model, and then the prequels happened and Qui-gon personified that myth of the Jedi perfectly. He just has this aura that makes you totally believe that he is wise and good-hearted.
It is really difficult for Revan to win when there are people voting against him and in favor of whoever has the best shot against him just so this stupid "always in second place" meme can continue.
@Starminor Ugh this is getting out of hand. There is a reason why I thought it interesting to compare Qui-Gon to Revan. You could say Qui-Gon isn't a charater. All he wants is to bring balance to the force. We don't know much outside of that. However because of that, you can call him rebellious or even tickicter of sorts, he likes breaking the rules, intervening in affairs, and is a very relaxed guy even when faced against sith. From my terrible description of Qui-Gon, you can compare it to revan. As a sith, he holds the characteristics of a Sith (selfish, lusting, aggressive, threating, seductive) but only in the first KOTOR. Most of that is gone in the later games simply cause we don't see much of him. He just becomes another selfish Sith... Which isn't saying much. And of course, as a jedi, revan is you classic paragon, bla bla bla, nice guy, so kind, bring peace, yada yada. So yeah, Regan isn't a deep character with complex desires. He has history and goals but little outside if that... MUCH LIKE QUI-GON JIN. Oh for fuck sake.
I also love about the meaning of the character towards anakin in the sense of how his death affects him. I think it helps drive why he was so desperate to save Padme as whenever he's been told to sit and wait something bad has happened, with the obvious case being his mother; and in this case the last time he sees Qui Gon he tells him to stay put and Qui Gon dies; and while he did disobey and pull off some real pod racing, it's interesting to wonder if he thought he could have done something to help Qui Gon like the doubts he would have with his mother even tho he couldn't have done anything to help Qui Gon.
Qui-Gon is a true Jedi or at least what a Jedi should be; he doesn't believe in policies but the will of the Force. He has darker techniques and would use them if he has to but will remain in the light side of the Force.
@@istvansipos9940 How was that a surprise if you don’t mind me asking? It was known that that was the whole story the trilogy was telling. Of course, I might be a bit older than you ( I was 5 when A New Hope came out and 27 when the phantom menace came out)
It's a sad rule of life that, when a group or organization lives long enough or gets big enough, it'll suffer in some way, often straying from whatever ideals brought it about in the first place. The Jedi were this in the prequel era. An order that supposedly followed the light, yet had become mired in rules, hierarchy and the politics of the galaxy. So far from their origins had they strayed that, even when a Sith is right in front of them, they're too diminished to know it. And even when Qui-Gon suggests that their ancient enemy has returned, the Jedi leaders are so overconfident/arrogant that they scoff at the mere idea of it. With the Jedi being this way at the time he started his training, what hope was there for Anakin to become anything other than what he did? 😟
The guy was only in one movie BUT he was an excellent character! We learn that he was strong but he always lived by his rules... nobody else’s. I loved his style and he seemed to allow the force to guide him rather than just be hindered by a set rule or law. He was the “hippy” Jedi that the council wanted to shun but deep down they knew was as right as anyone else. It made Obi Wan much more interesting because he was taught by Qui Gon and certainly cherished his teachings. Qui Gon was a fun character and I would love more of his story
I think Qui-Gon and Obi Wan both represent two different views of the perfect Jedi, where as Yoda and Mace represent two different views of the worst Jedi, and how all of this effected Anakin as the ultimate Jedi. Qui-Gon: -The Philosopher As most of the comments said, Qui-Gon was the perfect Jedi because he valued the will of the Force over the rules of the Jedi Code. Of course, Socrates would be a great figure to compare Qui-Gon too, but I also think he matches a lot of the Biblical prophets, specifically Isaiah who told Israel to stop their religious ceremonies and get right with God. Qui-Gon represents the devotion of the religious Jedi to the will of the Force. Obi Wan: -The Rock What I love so much about Obi Wan is all the temptation he faced and all the evil he saw, and yet none of it ever got to him. More than any other Jedi (especially Anakin), Obi Wan had every justification to abandon his role as a Jedi and go down a more selfish path. However, it was not in Obi Wan's character to abandon his teachings. He is like Captain America, or Sam from LOTR. Even when everybody else was giving up, losing hope, or giving into the darkness, Obi Wan stayed the course, and continued to help out everybody else until they had fulfilled their mission. Obi Wan represents the fortitude and selflessness of the Jedi helping others. Yoda: -Mislead by Tradition Yoda is the wise old religious leader who always believes in the good of everything, however, much of it is because they haven't actually experienced the darkness for themself. There is a lot of good and wisdom in him, and he genuinely seeks to do good for all people, but he is blinded by optimism and black-and-white rules of good and evil. This kind of person doesn't get much exploration in literature, but is a common dilemma in life. Religiously, there are many church pastors who are hard to talk to because of this, but it can be explored also in the book of Job, where Job's three friends conclude his suffering is because of sin he's committed. Within all religious circles, there's a tendency to think all bad things that happen are because of something bad you've done, and therefore the solution is simple: do good things. This is why Yoda clung too hard to the Jedi Code, because he didn't have life experiences that challenged this view until the Clone Wars, and by then he didn't know what to do. Report of the Sith returning and the Chosen One being found should have made him think, "Things are about to change; we need to be on guard." Yoda represents the misguidance of the Jedi that seeped in over thousands of years of tradition. Mace: -The Judge Mace Windu really was one of the greatest foils to the Jedi. His character type is that self-righteous person in the church that is always exposing the sins of others and making sure justice is served. And justice normally meant being shunned, or banned from entry. His only sense of right and wrong is the letter of the law. That's why he rejected Anakin's training, because the law said he was too old, despite him being the Chosen One. He was ultimately the complete opposite of Qui-Gon. Where as Qui-Gon would bend the rules to the situation to serve the Force, Mace would strictly enforce the rules be obeyed, and make sure you were punished if you didn't. Really, he could be likened to the Pharisees. Mace represents the legality of the Jedi. Now how do these all play out into the influences of Anakin? Anakin had a sense of right and wrong. He could tell that the Jedi Code was flawed, however he was also blinded by his own selfish ambitions. He saw the flaws of the Jedi in legality like Mace, in blind acceptance like Yoda, and saw them clashing with his personal greed. It is natural for a person in such a situation to just decide to resent the rules. Qui-Gon was that needed stand-in, assuring Anakin, "Yes, the rules are misplaced, and there is a time to focus on doing what's right over what's lawful. But that time is when serving others and the will of the Force." What instead Anakin got was Obi Wan, who was in the middle, but was ultimately an enabler to the Jedi in teaching Anakin their flawed philosophy.
I mostly agree with your analysis of Qui gon, Kenobi, and Windu. however, I feel you misjudged Yoda. you say that Yoda didn't have the same experiences as other Jedi like Anakin. Yoda has been a Jedi for over 800 years! I have no doubt that Yoda has experienced the pull of the dark side the same way Anakin did. Yoda is very wise and is a great teacher. he doesn't see everything as black and white, he just understands that there is black and there is white. just because there is gray does not mean there is no light or dark. I see what you mean by comparing Yoda to Job's friends, but when does Yoda condemn someone for the dark side? Yoda simply advises against the dark side. You make Yoda seem condescending, arrogant, and unempathetic. What about Yoda makes you think of him as a fool? Yoda is not blind and condemning. He is a wise Jedi Master. I also think you judged Windu a little bit harshly, but I mean Windu did the same to Anakin so I guess it's even.
@@rosesweetcharlotte from Yoda's point of view, killing Vader was the only way to stop him. Luke was able to sense Vader's conflict because of their father/son connection, but Yoda didn't know Vader could be turned.
@@jasomjensai-starwars2652 Maybe Luke had an advantage cause of the the father/son connection yes, but you're statement also kinda proves the point....he can only see things in black and white and furthermore he knew Anakin's story better than most, kinda shows a lack of insight or even force prowess imho.
Probably one of the most underrated characters in Star Wars, and who should have deserved more screen time in the prequel movies at least with flashbacks, not just the animated shows! Like, he's literally played by Liam Neeson, who would go on to portray a mentor training Batman, among other examples, so how much more badass can you get with that?! Not to mention, Qui Gon had a Lara Croft looking alien Jedi for a love interest with Tahl, according to the comics. ;)
I think he's overrated, at least on this channel. I don't think character that suffers from lack of screen time can be ranked in the same caliber as characters with a lot more screen time.
@@UltimateDBZJAMES Fair enough, I can understand that. Though I'm considering the potential Qui Gon as a character could have had if he'd been thought through more in the story when developed by Lucas - which he might have done but only in expanded lore. :)
@@debzykvids I get why people like him, I mean, I do too. But, most people say he's great because he was the first force ghost, he is what a Jedi is supposed to be, and he would have raised Anakin the right way. That's all great, but it doesn't make him a good "character" per say. Which is why you see people liking Obi-Wan more than Qui-Gon way more often than not. Qui-Gon is great because of what he represents, was meant to be, and what little we saw of his character. But, the fact that we see so little of him puts him on the level of Tarkin or Lando from a character perspective. Great importance or great potential doesn't equal a great character. Again, he great for what he is, but he's not all that. edit: Sorry for the essay, I might copy and paste this as a normal comment.
@@UltimateDBZJAMES Plus, part of his appeal is that we don't see his failures flaws the way we do with other characters. He is meant to be more of a plot devise than a real character.
Everybody's summed it up pretty well I've been saying for years like Qui-Gon is the epitome of what every Jedi should be. He may have only been in one movie but his presence can be felt through it all 6. And he had some great dialogue and great moments in the Clone Wars as well. Qui-Gon Jinn, Darth Maul are my favorite characters in the entire complete Six film Saga. What helped also was the presence of Liam Neeson there's just something about him he's got a commanding presence if another actor that played him I don't think it'd be quite the same. Qui-gon's the man and he'll always be my fav
Qui-Gon in many ways is honestly the true Jedi of his time. He was someone that Skywalker looked up to, as both a Jedi and as a fatherly figure. I also believe that Qui-Gon saw Anakin's penchant for the Dark Side. But unlike most of the other Jedi, he would react to it without fear or prejudice. In fact, I believe that if Qui-Gon was still alive, he would help Anakin get in tune with his darker nature. Not in the way a Sith does it, as we all know how that ends for most of them. No, he would teach Anakin how to wield the Dark Side and maintain balance within himself. After all, how can the Chosen One bring balance to the Force if he has no balance himself. Also, I believe Qui-Gon would think of Anakin's affinity for the Dark Side as important and not to be ignored. The Jedi often told Anakin to ignore these feelings and not indulge them, but that's part of why he fell. His feelings went unattended and ignored, even by Obi-Wan. Had it been Qui-Gon, Anakin would be an open book and Qui-Gon wouldn't judge him so harshly. He would help Anakin manage his feelings, not bury them. He himself would speak from experience and with compassion. Qui-Gon wasn't like the other Jedi. He didn't resort to brandishing his lightsaber at the first sign of trouble, resorting to talking and negotiating instead. In fact, if you think about it, Qui-Gon was one of the Jedi who didn't really have to use his lightsaber all that much. Honestly, the perfect antithesis of Qui-Gon Jinn would likely have to be Mace Windu. Where Windu himself has put the Jedi Code and the Republic before everything else, Qui-Gon often puts his compassion for others before the Code and the Council. He was the Jedi that Anakin should have aspired to. And Anakin did have compassion for others than himself. Especially if you recall his talk with Padme about Jedi and love in Attack of the Clones. If Qui-Gon had heard what he said about "Compassion being the same as unconditional love and essential to a Jedi's life", he would be beaming with pride.
As great as Qui-Gon was, I believe EU Luke really fully embodies what he wanted the Jedi to become, and it makes me wonder what Qui-Gon would think of Luke.
@@AlexYBITW Same. Qui-Gon would probably be so proud, and yet so bemused how wholesome and straightforward he seems despite his depth and maturity. The conversation would be wonderful. Luke would probably even thank Qui-Gon for rediscovering the secret of Force Spirits so Ben could help him.
@@thepaladinauthoryoutube I always said it : Qui-Gon Jinn is the best Jedi of the Saga, tied with EU Luke. This is also why I loved how Luke was handled in the story mode of Battlefront 2, he is the exact same type of Jedi Qui-Gon was. If Lucas made the Sequels, I'm sure we would have gotten a scene between Luke and all the Force ghosts, including of course the one who discovered the path to immortality : Qui-Gon Jinn. Now let's hope he'll be in the Kenobi show...
I'd love to see an animated conversation take place between him and Ahsoka on Malachor during Ahsoka's time there and them talking about Anakin, Obi Wan, Yoda, Luke, and Leia. As well as him teaching Ahsoka the path to immortality. It'd be fascinating to see these two's dynamics playing together on screen and in dialogue.
Guess it will be a while before my favorite Jedi can get a video about him: Kit Fisto. Meh, he'll probably get it in a few months when all the main characters are covered.
@@jasomjensai-starwars2652 His design is cool, he's had many cool actions scenes (particularly this fight with Greivous), he's a wise Master as demonstrated with his dynamic with his former padawan in the same episode, he is a member of an aquatic species (which I think is cool because he can fight underwater) and I played as him in a lot of Star Wars games.
Andrew Burton I love him for his laid back attitude, constant smile and excellent sense of humor. He’s not a constantly serious monk like a lot of other Jedi, he’s a genuinely nice guy that seems like he’d be easy to hang out with.
I like him for the same reasons, except that I don't care that he is aquatic. Kit Fisto is calm, confident, and joyful. if you were to make a TV show about him, what time of his life would you focus on?
I honestly never thought too much about Qui-Gon and his "ghostly presence" throughout the prequels (until watching clone wars of course) before this video. I guess that's why I watch your stuff Thor.
QGJ was the epitome of what I imagined a jedi would be as depicted in the OT. Exactly as described by Obi-Wan and Yoda, Guardians of Peace and Justice.
When I saw Episode 1 in theaters at the age of 9 I fell in love with Star Wars and Qui Gon...I was him for Halloween that year. I also read all the Jedi Apprentice Books of Him and Obi Wans first adventures. He is severely underrated and it’s amazing to see so many that love him. He is the true example of being One with the force and what a Jedi should be. You can feel the respect in the movies, books, comics, tv show anytime he’s around. Thank you for the video!
Qui-Gon's been one of my favorite SW characters since I was a wee tot and first saw the movie. He was so cool and intelligent, but oozing with compassion, particularly for Anakin and his mother, I remember how sad I was when he died at the end of TPM. Especially re-watching it after my own mother passed away when I was a kid (she actually bought me my VHS copy of TPM, which got my into Star Wars), it made me feel for Anakin losing a parental figure, and in the long run made his fall more tragic for me as well. And also, that line of Obi Wan's about Yoda being his teacher and whatever never bothered me because a) like lots of people pointed out, Yoda taught the younglings at the Jedi Temple and b) at least watching TCW, although Anakin was her master, Ahsoka seemed to go off on lots of adventures with other Jedi masters and learn lessons from them and sort of be like their "temporary padawan;" I'm sure Obi-Wan probably had many encounters and adventures that probably involved Yoda to some degree, I think either way, his comment is still valid.
Thank you! He is a great example. Someone whose teachings I strive to practice as a way of life, to follow the will of the Benevolence, the Higher Self.
Hi Thor. I really love your videos. I have been an SW fan since the original when I was 4. Though I wasn't able to keep up with the EU and non movie materials, it's been easy to catch up thanks to TH-cam creators like you. My father and I introduced my sons to SW with the prequels. Qui Gon was one of my favorites easily. Especially since I also hate bureaucracy and how it keeps things stagnant and unfortunately tends to hurt the so called "little guy." Had he lived, yes just as with Lord Stark, everything would have changed. Catching up on TCW now and I feel it more and more. Many blame Anakin's fall on his relationship with Padme, and of course his issues with letting go of loved ones. I wonder what you think about how that would have changed had Qui Gon lived. 👍🏼👍🏼
Qui-Gon is the ONLY reason I ever rewatch Episode 1. I really appreciate that Neeson didn’t over act the role, which makes Qui-Gon seem all the more genuine.
I often think that even if Qui-Gon HAD lived, he wouldn't have been the one to train Anakin because the Council would've deemed him too invested in Anakin's training, thus they would've still have Obi-Wan train him because Obi-Wan's had Qui-Gon's teachings but also sided with the Council. Qui-Gon might be relegated to advisor or consultant but he wouldn't train Anakin due to his invested interest potentially clouding is judgment; at least in the eyes of the Jedi Council.
@@AlexYBITW True but he also respected his master and made peace with him prior to the Battle for Naboo so he likely would accept it both because the Council willed it and because he would want to make Qui-Gon proud.
@@MegaJetty1 Good point but Obi-Wan wasn't ready at all to take someone under his wings. If not Qui-Gon, Anakin would have probably be assigned to another Master Jedi and that's just a supposition since no one believed in Anakin.
I think what is most likely is the council denies Anakin the rank of apprentice because he is too old and Qui gon is forced too either leave the order or leave Anakin.
@@jasomjensai-starwars2652 Which is exactly what sort of happens. Qui Gon doesn't leave the Order, no one says he has to, but he makes a point that no matter what, he is training Anakin.
We're meant to see Qui-Gon as the ideal Jedi but I'm not sure that I do. It's more a case of opposite extremes. The Jedi council has definitely lost its way in rigorously enforcing the code at the expense of the living Force. But Qui-Gon is equally wrong in heedlessly following his own interpretation of the living Force regardless of the consequences. A Jedi can be just as wrong in following a mistaken interpretation of the living Force as they can be wrong in following a mistaken interpretation of the code. In short, it's a do you prefer order or chaos type of question and the true Jedi is at neither of the opposite extremes. I also think we take too much on faith. I mean it's a great tragedy that Qui-Gon dies and Anakin does not receive the proper training, but I don't think we should assume that had he lived everything would have changed. Anakin is deeply flawed even as a child, and Palpatine goes all out to corrupt him. It's nice to think that Qui-Gon can turn all this around, but it's probably not wise to assume so. The two things that most corrupt Anakin, are the fact that his mother remains a slave, and his secret love affair with Padme. Qui-Gon did nothing about the former before he died, and it's not at all clear that he would uncover the latter when the rest of the Jedi did not. The real challenge I guess is the is the collective failure of the Jedi. Both Qui-Gon and the rest of the Jedi are totally cool with separating mother and child. And they accept the prophecy of the chosen one without any critical thought. Any potential savior is always going to be a potential destroyer, but neither the council nor Qui-Gon is looking out for that possibility.
Obi-wan knew about Padme and Anakin's relationship. If Obi-wan is able to find out, I feel like Qui gon would too. also, Qui gon is bold enough to confront Anakin about it especially because he knows what it's like. I agree that Qui gon wouldn't fix every problem, but I think he would successfully train Anakin too not fall to the dark side.
If QuiGon isn't the jedi that he is then the whole story of star wars almost definitely doesn't happen. He was the lynchpin for so many moments in the story. He's the one who found and recognized who and what anakin was. He's the one who brought him back to the temple and was determined to train him even against the council's wishes. He's the one whose death sealed the fate on Anakin's fall to the dark side. His death also ensured that the jedi had some sort of backup plan because he was able to teach Yoda and obiwan from beyond the grave how to keep their form in the force (plus a bunch of other stuff I'm sure) which allowed them to be able to train Luke even after their deaths so he was ready to do his part with Vader and the emperor. So if he's not the greatest Jedi he's definitely number two. Or 1B.
Just to help with that continuity comment, in the Phantom Menace Kenobi’s third line is George trying to tie that up. “But Master Yoda said I should be mindful of the future”. It always worked for me.
I'd love to see a movie about Qui-Gon being a Padawan of the Jedi Dooku. Now that would flesh out their characters. Dooku is even more interesting because he didn't submit to the Jedi to the degree, he left and became an antagonist, kind of. I think Qui-Gon is a great character potentially speaking, we just haven't seen enough screentime of him. The very problem with thep requels is usually overlooked. It is that there are too many characters having not enough screentime, yet filled with interesting potential.
"I hate the Force, I hate that it seems to have a will, that it would control us to achieve some measure of balance when countless lives are lost". - Kreia
@@philippschwarz4539 Why would you do such a thing? Giving into your emotions over a trivial matter. Your strength would be better served elsewhere - Kriea, Nar Shaadaa
realistic/pessimistic. In the end, Kreia seems to hate life. There would still be the will of nature controlling everyone. You could get rid of the Force (I guess) but not of biochemistry x)
Luke should have been "Qui Gon Jinn" in the sequel films, you could even had have it confirmed that he used the crystal from Qui Gon's saber to make his own saber in ROTJ.
who would have anakin skywalker best master yoda,mace windu,count dooku or qui gon jinn also can you make what if yoda trained anakin skywalker or what if count dooku never turned to the dark side
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I think the perfect Qui-Got moment was when Jar Jar was facing execution for helping him and he could not abandon even an annoying innocent, while Obi-Wan embodied the Council's position of 'little people are of no account'.
Qui Gon was the result of Obi Wan being split into two characters which as much as I still loved TPM, I feel was a mistake as it sidelined Obi Wan for much of the film and was a missed opportunity to better develop his onscreen relationship with Anakin. Qui Gon was a well written character whose role ultimately should have been filled by Obi Wan.
Yeah, ultimately, these films are rather poorly structured. Really, TPM feels more like a TV pilot than a first movie. In fact, it actually works better if you view it as a sort of beginning episode for TCW since it introduces so many characters who are only really important in that series. Without TCW, the movie is sort of useless.
@@rosesweetcharlotte That's not what I was saying. I think the structure was fine. IMO the PT was truly great in concept & on paper yet flawed (but still good) in some aspects of the execution. Qui Gon still could have worked if his roIe was reduced to allow Obi Wan more independent agency & involvement. I definitely disagree about TPM & TCW series being at all intertwined as the series is distinctly interconnected eith AOTC & ROTS in terms of themes and timeline.
Qui-gon and why I love him in two lines: Anakin (asking about Darth Maul who just introduced himself) : "What will we do about it?" Qui-gon: "We shall be patient." That is the response of an enlightened being, one that is equanimous.
Qui Gon was a phenomenal character who encompassed living in the moment, having the will to act and wisdom. "You know how to fight 6 Sebulbas. We can teach you how to engage 600. You know how to remain hidden. We can teach you how to become truly invisible."
Great video! I hope that for the next video revan gets picked. He has shown up on your comment vote in 2nd-3rd place for over a year now, but someone else gets picked every single stupid time.
Q was balanced and it was portrayed well by LN...which made it seem like he was bored/boring; he's poised and he probably knew he was gonna die to Maul once Obi fell behind. He was meditating, not to open that red shield but to prepare his body for ghost mode, IMO. Great vid, as always Thor!
@@jasomjensai-starwars2652 We know he's good enough to slaughter dozens of clones. And despite his horrific history, the Jedi were still willing to send him out on missions.
I wish I saw this poll Qui Gon Jinn is and has always been my favorite character when I was a kid I always looked up to Qui Gon as a father figure I wanted to be just like him
I’m gonna say it for the last time. Star Wars NEEDS to give us a “what if?” Series like marvel is doing. Think of the possibilities! What If Qui Gon trained Anakin? What If Obi Wan faced the Emperor and Yoda faced Anakin? What If Anakin didn’t cut off Mace’s hand? What If Luke turned in Return of the Jedi? What If Luke died in Episode 4’s Death Star run What If Finn became a Jedi? What If Luke survived through the Last Jedi? What If Padme lived? What If Anakin never had his legs chopped off?
well this is pretty much what i said to the pole not gonna lie. he is my favourit character of the entire series. and i love the way he thinks and acts. its the moste true and pure way in my opinion, and he was pretty much the last real jedi from his time. and his story beyond just the phantom menace just makes him even better. the way he loved some one and then lost her. he knows anger, pain and has even tabed in to the dark side. it just makes him even better, and the fact that liam neeson played him is just...... its one of the best thing ever, besides from the fact that he dies, but that is needet for the story to end where it does. with out a doubt a "S" tier character and performance.
Qui gon Jinn is one of the coolest characters in Star Wars and he is underrated by most casual fans, but I think he is overrated by most hardcore fans. Many people see Qui gon as the solution for every problem in Star Wars. If Anakin was Qui gon's apprentice, Sidious would probably still be able to destroy most of the Jedi. in addition, while Qui gon would be able to guide Anakin better than Obi-wan could if Qui gon were to die during the clone wars, Anakin would definitely turn to the dark side. Qui gon is too lenient. he would be a great father figure, but he might encourage Anakin too much. I'm not saying Anakin and Qui gon are a bad match, but Qui gon is not the best match. personally, I think Yoda or Ki-adi Mundi would be just as good, or better, masters for Anakin. even if Qui gon trained Anakin to be basically the perfect Jedi, Sidious would still be able to defeat the Jedi. he wouldn't have Anakin for his apprentice, but he would succeed in every other way. Qui gon Jinn is awesome, but he wouldn't fix the galaxy.
What I find beautiful about the Luke-Anakin-Obi Wan-Qui Gon dynamic is that Obi Wan WAS more of a brother to Anakin... a big brother who, after seeing their 'father' die, tried desperately to step into that role but just wasn't mature or experienced enough to do so. The line in ESB - "I thought I could instruct him as well as Yoda. I was wrong" - should, in hindsight, be said about Qui Gon Jinn. Obi Wan did his best but was forever trying to live up to Qui Gon's example - his own father figure - and never came into his own until he was training Luke, for whom he is the father-figure.
I was actually thinking about the scene from ROTJ where Obi-Wan tells Luke, “I thought I could train Anakin as well as Yoda. I was wrong.” There’s just never any indication that Obi-Wan was trained by anyone other than Yoda, or that there was an additional Jedi who discovered and vowed to train Anakin. It sounds like I’m nitpicking, but when TPM came out, I was honestly confused about Qui-Gon’s role.
I like Qui Gon. But I felt like he was projecting an ideal onto Anakin. Even if he had survived, I think he would have really struggled with Anakin's power and fear. I could easily see Qui Gon becoming a zealot who would have protected Anakin and deluded himself to the point where Anakin might have fallen to the dark side earlier than he did. I feel like if Qui Gon would have survived, we might have somewhat lessened the clone wars with droids and instead there would have been a civil war between the Jedi. Ultimately I think Anakin would have brought balance to the force through an immense conflict.
I agree that that is a risk, but I think it is more likely that Qui gon's training methods would succeed. who do you think Anakin's master should have been?
@@jasomjensai-starwars2652 Well, Star Wars is a story and for a story to be good there has to be some kind of conflict. So with that in mind, I don't think it would have mattered too much who trained Anakin. I feel like Anakin is sort of like a force of nature that could not be controlled by either the Jedi or the Sith. So I think Anakin should bring balance to the force through some sort of conflict that upends the system showcased in the prequel trilogy. But I definitely think there could have been some good drama with Qui Gon training Anakin.
@@jasomjensai-starwars2652 in order for "Star Wars" to happen yes. Though glad to hear an alternative. I can't imagine a cooler story than a parent (Anakin) becoming corrupted and eventually fighting their child (Luke) who also redeems them. Though I suppose the roles could be reversed and Anakin doesn't fall but his hubris allows his children to fall to the dark side and he has to stop them. But at the same time I like the whole balance to the force thing.
@@christianguzman5886 wait a minute, is your what if Qui gon survived scenario an outside universe speculation like what would George Lucas do with the prequels if Qui gon survived? because I was thinking of an in-universe scenario like what would logically have happened if Qui gon survived.
Entirely biased comment because Qui-Gon is hands down my favorite character. I was drawn to him the moment I saw him. The calmness is his performance just oozes Jedi. I don't think Liam was bored in the least. I think he nailed the character. Of course most objections about the acting throughout the prequels really needs to fall on George's shoulders since the actors are following his direction. Just throwing it out there.
Alright I'm going to say this: another reason why I believe Obi said Yoda trained him is following Qui Gons death, I always viewed Yoda as similar to Obi Wans mentor, especially the way they seem to interact like good friends during order 66(at least to me it seems like this)
No fair, I never even saw the poll so I could vote for him. Why didn’t I see the poll? I thought it was supposed to reveal itself to me because that’s what it had always done before.
Let's not forget that qui gon's personality offers a glimpse of the fully realized Obi Wan Kenobi we see in a new hope. Qui Gon is not Obi Wan obviously, but neither is Ewan Mcgregor a fully realized Obi Wan by the end of revenge of the sith. The time spent between the prequels and the originals is the time in which Qui Gon's teachings must have fully settled. Obi Wan, despite beating Vader on mustafar had not yet realized the failings of the Jedi. I can only imagine once in exile, with only time to meditate did some of Qui Gon's most important lessons take hold.
Personally, I think fans have overinflated Qui-Gon's importance and prescribed him as the savior of the Jedi Order. But I think this is a gross exaggeration of his character. In many ways he is typical Jedi of the era and that's not a bad thing. He does not give into emotion, he follows Jedi dogma, and he is calm, collected, and he has remained with the Order because he believes in it. He is not a grey Jedi, wants to see the Sith and Dark Side defeated just as much as any other Jedi (which is why he fights them). The only differance is that he when he disagrees with the Council he makes it known. He's a bit of a maverick, but less so than Anakin. He always follows the Code and obeys the Council unless he feels there is some greater destiny by the Force (like the Chosen One prophesy) that can only be achieved by disobeying the Council. You could even argue that this devotion to prophesy makes him more dogmatic than the council. Like I don't mean to disrespect my old master, he was generally a very typical Jedi and that's a good thing. He was not grey just for occasionally disagreeing with the council. And such a trait does not make him better than other Jedi. Lest we forget, the only other Jedi wgo disagreed with the Council so regularly were Dooku and Anakin who took it so far that they turned to the Dark Side. Disobedience is a destructive trait in many scenarios and it was a trait of Qui-Gon. One can even argue that the destruction of the Jedi was Qui Gon's fault, as it was he who insisted Anakin be trained when Anakin was too old and already had emotional attachments. If the Council had it's way and Anakin was never trained there is a very good chance the Jedi woundn't have been killed of and the that the Sith would have been defeated right after the Clone Wars.
There has been a renewed interest in Qui Gon due to a lot of people rewatching TCW, as well as Dave Filoni's recent statements regarding the character. But I do agree with you.
I think that "You were my brother Anakin" is best looked at in contrast to "You're the closest thing I have to a father." Plus, Qui-Gon's allegiance purely to the will of the Force is a great contrast to "My allegiance is to the Republic, to democracy!" even if the latter line was a bit misplaced in the movie. Since becoming a Force Ghost is tied to losing all attachments, I wonder if Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Anakin only became Force Ghosts because they had no Republic and no democracy left to pledge allegiance to.
I find it funny that people say what Anakin needed was a Father Figure not a Brother here's the thing if Qui-Gon Jinn survived then he would be the one to train Anakin so he would have had the Father Figure but Anakin also would have a Brother Figure in Obi-Wan Kenobi because they both were trained by Qui-Gon Jinn so Anakin would have had both if Qui-Gon lived Qui-Gon Jinn (Father ) Obi-Wan Kenobi ( Brother )
Qui-Gon was supposed to be the paradigm of a Jedi knight and Luke ultimately fulfilled that in Return of the Jedi. Even though well-meaning, Obi-Wan and Yoda still showed the flawed rigidity of the Jedi Council even in the OT. It's ironic that although on different sides, in Return of the Jedi, Yoda, Obi-Wan, and the emperor ultimately all wanted Luke to do the same thing (albeit for different reasons) - kill his father.
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Immortality. The Sith's greatest ambition, but one they can never achieve. It comes through sacrifice, not greed. That is Qui-Gon Jinn
What about the Rise of Skywalker?
@@jasomjensai-starwars2652 Dont know what you're talking about. They never made a movie called Rise of Skywalker.
@@DarkSpyro707It came out last year. It's on Disney+, so if you haven't seen it and you have Disney+ you can watch it. just type in Rise of Skywalker in the search bar and it should come up. If you can't find it there, go to the him page, click on Star Wars, scroll down to movies and it should be the top option.
@@jasomjensai-starwars2652 Nope sorry. Simply doesnt exist. I think you had a fever dream about it, but there's definitely no Rise of Skywalker. But that would be pretty weird if they made a movie like that cause all the Skywalkers are gone.
@@DarkSpyro707 I double checked and it definitely exists. if you google it you should be able to find it. do you have wifi?
This video makes Anakin’s line “You’re the closest thing I have to a father” so much more tragic. Obi-Wan was meant to be Anakin’s big brother and best friend, Qui-Gon’s death forced him to take on a responsibility that never should have been his and which he was not ready to bear.
And to be fair, he did his best. Just how was he supposed to be prepared to raise a kid like that?
@@rosesweetcharlotte Exactly Qui Gon was ready but Obi Wan however was not he did his best but it just didn't work
@@localloser7415 Thing is in the console game for Revenge of the Sith, Obi-Wan actually says this to Anakin during their duel on Mustafar:
"I only wanted what was best for you, Anakin! I was never prepared to train someone like you!"
Qui-Gon has what all other Jedi lack:
A very particular set of skills. Skills acquired over a very long career.
Yes, didn't just use youtube tutorials or anything...
Skills..... That make him a nightmare for people like the Sith.
It's actually crazy how much sense that quote makes in the context of Qui Gon's story. Because he embodies everything the Sith fear about the Jedi.
Matthew Wheeler the Sith have NEVER feared the Jedi. Hated, definitely. Respected, maybe. But never feared.
Fought one Sith, died horribly
@@darthknightwingphoenix2081 I disagree. fear is one of the main motivations of the Sith, it makes sense that some of the Sith fear the Jedi.
Qui Gon Jinn is a true Jedi, Liam Neesons performance was top notch. He was the first Jedi to become a Force Ghost and his lightsaber is so basic.
To those who say "he cheated in the bet with Watto, he doesn't care about the other slaves" let me put it this way.
In case nobody notices, Qui Gon Jinn was dealing with a slave owner. When he and Watto started to gamble about Anakin's fate, Watto was already trying to cheat Qui Gon in order to keep Anakin a slave. If you looked closely at each side of the chance cube, two sides are colored blue for Anakin while four sides are colored red for his mother. Therefore, Qui Gon Jinn already knew Watto wasn't going to play fair. Qui Gon was under no obligation to be fair, especially with an immoral cheating slave owner who hasn't been fair with Qui Gon from the get go. So what Qui Gon did was not out of selfishness, it was out of good motivations. He also tried to free Anakin's mother from slavery as well, but Watto wouldn't allow it. So there was nothing else he could do to free her. Plus she told Anakin to leave because she wants what's best for her son and Anakin had no choice but to leave her behind which was the most difficult decision he's ever made. It's not that Qui Gon Jinn cares about slaves, it's that he can't do everything at once. He's not Superman for God's sakes and he's not gonna go out of his way to free all the slaves in a planet that is lawless and is controlled by the Hutts like Jabba The Hutt and they're the ones who calls the shots. They decide who get's to go free and who stays a slave, And If Qui Gon tries any move to help free the rest of the slaves, they would all die at once.
I mean, even if he would have liked to help the slaves, he couldnt. He had no money they accept, only credits. To actually free all the slaves they would be forced to free them by killing every major slave owner on tattooine, which in the end still would not matter because other people would rise to power and bring slavery back.
Plus, I would assume that he really didn't think that he would die in a week.
@@rosesweetcharlotte Yeah, it seemed like he had plans to come back with hard currency to free Anakin's mother too, but death put a stop to that
Also this is the will of the force, no matter your place or station in life you are where youre meant to be, have faith in that!
@@deiracity4503 Until the Empire ended the apathy of the Old Republic and established a permanent presence on the planet curtailing the criminal fraternity who for so long had openly violated galactic law. Qui Gon "You know how to fight 6 Sebulbas. We can teach you how to engage 600. You know how to remain hidden. We can teach you how to become truly invisible."
Quite possibly the most underrated character in the Prequels
What about Kit Fisto or even Dexter? there are a ton of awesome characters in the prequels, but hardly any of them are main characters like Qui gon.
Bail Organa?
@Robert Ortiz-Wilson, consider his relationship with Obi-wan. A Jedi knight goes to Dexter for advice about a toxic dart. Dexter identifies it based on the dart, not the poison. in addition, Dexter and Obi-wan are clearly friends. Dexter is friends with a Jedi and a weapons expert, he must have a cool backstory.
@@jasomjensai-starwars2652 you're kidding? Even in the Clown Wars series Fists Kidso is lame.
@Robert Ortiz-Wilson I really want Disney to make a book about him, but I doubt that would ever happen even though it could be great.
Thank you, young man. The force is strong with you
A very wise Jedi once said, "nothing happens by accident."
@@anakinskywalker549 who could that have been? Hmmmmmm...
@@garythemoth8049 it's you!
@@anakinskywalker549 ohhhh yeah forgot about that, I have said SOOOOOOOO many wise things, I honestly always forget what I say to people. Hehe, I must just be such a wise jedi.
I think Qui-Gon Jinn was one of the most underrated Jedi from the prequel movies. His duel with Obi-Wan against Darth Maul was amazing. He's the one who discovered Annikin Skywalker and knew he was the Chosen One and he wasn't afraid to go against the Jedi Council. He followed the ways of the force and was a true Jedi.
Honestly seeing ppl complain about "lack of character arc" when we discuss "Paragon" type character like Qui-Gon or "Competent" character like Chewbacca makes me wonder if ppl really understand that not every character in a story needs an arc or character development, sometimes you just have a character that is one of these 2 types, they aren't meant to develop any further,, they are usually meant to aid protagonist in their arc, be it by direct action or by passing down their knowledge and experience, and making an actual arc for characters like that without making it somewhat redundant or straight-up silly isn't an easy task and yeah Yoda is an example of how to pull it off well but honestly can't recall much more of such examples
Luke in sequels is bad example of how to do paragon character
@@goodmind4940 I don't think Luke is really meant to be a Paragon Character by that point.
@@rosesweetcharlotte Well honestly I think he should be as he was pretty much that in EU at this age, but Disney just was on their legacy killing spree at this point and well now it biten them in asses so hard they supposedly seriously think of decanonizing sequels, tho a lot of that is mainly rumors, but even if half of em are true, we might be on watch for much better future for SW
But Chewbacca had a character arc...he matured and developed better, not having him rip people's arms off...
I've never seen anyone complain that Mr Miyagi has no character arc so why qui-gon? smh
I'm so glad Qui Gon was done justice here
Not only was Qui-gon a great jedi...Liam Neeson was such an amazing cast with stature, depth, thoughtfulness as a sage and badass.
totally. To me as a kid, Luke learned of the wise, powerful Jedi, but was the only one left and had no role model, and then the prequels happened and Qui-gon personified that myth of the Jedi perfectly. He just has this aura that makes you totally believe that he is wise and good-hearted.
Qui-Gon Jinn is not only my favourite Jedi, but my favourite character as he along with Ahsoka Tano & Luke Skywalker, follow the way of the force.
I guess I never thought of Qui-Gon like that. The prequels are smarter than people give them credit for.
Or Dave Filoni is just incredibly good at making things good in hindsight.
Me: I really hope Revan wins this time. He would be fitting since he you can compare and contrast him to Qui-gon quiet well.
Kylo: FIRST!!!!!
I know right
It is really difficult for Revan to win when there are people voting against him and in favor of whoever has the best shot against him just so this stupid "always in second place" meme can continue.
@Darth Ranger "revan is not in clone wars, so he sucks so hard"
"Fives best star wars character, revan sucks buhuhuhu"
@Darth Ranger Hahaha, kids this days...
@Starminor
Ugh this is getting out of hand.
There is a reason why I thought it interesting to compare Qui-Gon to Revan.
You could say Qui-Gon isn't a charater. All he wants is to bring balance to the force. We don't know much outside of that. However because of that, you can call him rebellious or even tickicter of sorts, he likes breaking the rules, intervening in affairs, and is a very relaxed guy even when faced against sith.
From my terrible description of Qui-Gon, you can compare it to revan. As a sith, he holds the characteristics of a Sith (selfish, lusting, aggressive, threating, seductive) but only in the first KOTOR. Most of that is gone in the later games simply cause we don't see much of him. He just becomes another selfish Sith... Which isn't saying much.
And of course, as a jedi, revan is you classic paragon, bla bla bla, nice guy, so kind, bring peace, yada yada.
So yeah, Regan isn't a deep character with complex desires. He has history and goals but little outside if that... MUCH LIKE QUI-GON JIN. Oh for fuck sake.
I also love about the meaning of the character towards anakin in the sense of how his death affects him. I think it helps drive why he was so desperate to save Padme as whenever he's been told to sit and wait something bad has happened, with the obvious case being his mother; and in this case the last time he sees Qui Gon he tells him to stay put and Qui Gon dies; and while he did disobey and pull off some real pod racing, it's interesting to wonder if he thought he could have done something to help Qui Gon like the doubts he would have with his mother even tho he couldn't have done anything to help Qui Gon.
that's a good point!
Qui-Gon is a true Jedi or at least what a Jedi should be; he doesn't believe in policies but the will of the Force. He has darker techniques and would use them if he has to but will remain in the light side of the Force.
He doesn't have any "darker techniques". What are you talking about?
I wonder if Liam realizes how iconic qui gon is
Qui-Gon Jinn is the only jedi of the prequel era that serves the will of the Force over the council and the corrupt senate of the Galactic Republic.
I remember being surprised in the theater when he died. I knew he wasn’t going to make it to the end of the trilogy, but damn!
I was surprised when Anakin became Vader :- )) good ol' spoilerless days back then
@@istvansipos9940 How was that a surprise if you don’t mind me asking? It was known that that was the whole story the trilogy was telling. Of course, I might be a bit older than you ( I was 5 when A New Hope came out and 27 when the phantom menace came out)
@@jahmd8377 he’s just being a troll
It's a sad rule of life that, when a group or organization lives long enough or gets big enough, it'll suffer in some way, often straying from whatever ideals brought it about in the first place. The Jedi were this in the prequel era. An order that supposedly followed the light, yet had become mired in rules, hierarchy and the politics of the galaxy. So far from their origins had they strayed that, even when a Sith is right in front of them, they're too diminished to know it. And even when Qui-Gon suggests that their ancient enemy has returned, the Jedi leaders are so overconfident/arrogant that they scoff at the mere idea of it.
With the Jedi being this way at the time he started his training, what hope was there for Anakin to become anything other than what he did? 😟
The guy was only in one movie BUT he was an excellent character! We learn that he was strong but he always lived by his rules... nobody else’s. I loved his style and he seemed to allow the force to guide him rather than just be hindered by a set rule or law. He was the “hippy” Jedi that the council wanted to shun but deep down they knew was as right as anyone else. It made Obi Wan much more interesting because he was taught by Qui Gon and certainly cherished his teachings. Qui Gon was a fun character and I would love more of his story
have you read Master and Apprentice?
I think Qui-Gon and Obi Wan both represent two different views of the perfect Jedi, where as Yoda and Mace represent two different views of the worst Jedi, and how all of this effected Anakin as the ultimate Jedi.
Qui-Gon: -The Philosopher
As most of the comments said, Qui-Gon was the perfect Jedi because he valued the will of the Force over the rules of the Jedi Code. Of course, Socrates would be a great figure to compare Qui-Gon too, but I also think he matches a lot of the Biblical prophets, specifically Isaiah who told Israel to stop their religious ceremonies and get right with God. Qui-Gon represents the devotion of the religious Jedi to the will of the Force.
Obi Wan: -The Rock
What I love so much about Obi Wan is all the temptation he faced and all the evil he saw, and yet none of it ever got to him. More than any other Jedi (especially Anakin), Obi Wan had every justification to abandon his role as a Jedi and go down a more selfish path. However, it was not in Obi Wan's character to abandon his teachings. He is like Captain America, or Sam from LOTR. Even when everybody else was giving up, losing hope, or giving into the darkness, Obi Wan stayed the course, and continued to help out everybody else until they had fulfilled their mission. Obi Wan represents the fortitude and selflessness of the Jedi helping others.
Yoda: -Mislead by Tradition
Yoda is the wise old religious leader who always believes in the good of everything, however, much of it is because they haven't actually experienced the darkness for themself. There is a lot of good and wisdom in him, and he genuinely seeks to do good for all people, but he is blinded by optimism and black-and-white rules of good and evil. This kind of person doesn't get much exploration in literature, but is a common dilemma in life. Religiously, there are many church pastors who are hard to talk to because of this, but it can be explored also in the book of Job, where Job's three friends conclude his suffering is because of sin he's committed. Within all religious circles, there's a tendency to think all bad things that happen are because of something bad you've done, and therefore the solution is simple: do good things. This is why Yoda clung too hard to the Jedi Code, because he didn't have life experiences that challenged this view until the Clone Wars, and by then he didn't know what to do. Report of the Sith returning and the Chosen One being found should have made him think, "Things are about to change; we need to be on guard." Yoda represents the misguidance of the Jedi that seeped in over thousands of years of tradition.
Mace: -The Judge
Mace Windu really was one of the greatest foils to the Jedi. His character type is that self-righteous person in the church that is always exposing the sins of others and making sure justice is served. And justice normally meant being shunned, or banned from entry. His only sense of right and wrong is the letter of the law. That's why he rejected Anakin's training, because the law said he was too old, despite him being the Chosen One. He was ultimately the complete opposite of Qui-Gon. Where as Qui-Gon would bend the rules to the situation to serve the Force, Mace would strictly enforce the rules be obeyed, and make sure you were punished if you didn't. Really, he could be likened to the Pharisees. Mace represents the legality of the Jedi.
Now how do these all play out into the influences of Anakin? Anakin had a sense of right and wrong. He could tell that the Jedi Code was flawed, however he was also blinded by his own selfish ambitions. He saw the flaws of the Jedi in legality like Mace, in blind acceptance like Yoda, and saw them clashing with his personal greed. It is natural for a person in such a situation to just decide to resent the rules. Qui-Gon was that needed stand-in, assuring Anakin, "Yes, the rules are misplaced, and there is a time to focus on doing what's right over what's lawful. But that time is when serving others and the will of the Force." What instead Anakin got was Obi Wan, who was in the middle, but was ultimately an enabler to the Jedi in teaching Anakin their flawed philosophy.
Well said and this analysis is spot on.
I mostly agree with your analysis of Qui gon, Kenobi, and Windu. however, I feel you misjudged Yoda. you say that Yoda didn't have the same experiences as other Jedi like Anakin. Yoda has been a Jedi for over 800 years! I have no doubt that Yoda has experienced the pull of the dark side the same way Anakin did.
Yoda is very wise and is a great teacher. he doesn't see everything as black and white, he just understands that there is black and there is white. just because there is gray does not mean there is no light or dark.
I see what you mean by comparing Yoda to Job's friends, but when does Yoda condemn someone for the dark side? Yoda simply advises against the dark side.
You make Yoda seem condescending, arrogant, and unempathetic. What about Yoda makes you think of him as a fool? Yoda is not blind and condemning. He is a wise Jedi Master.
I also think you judged Windu a little bit harshly, but I mean Windu did the same to Anakin so I guess it's even.
@@jasomjensai-starwars2652 Yoda was telling Luke to kill Anakin. And we have no evidence that he really told Luke just why Anakin fell.
@@rosesweetcharlotte from Yoda's point of view, killing Vader was the only way to stop him. Luke was able to sense Vader's conflict because of their father/son connection, but Yoda didn't know Vader could be turned.
@@jasomjensai-starwars2652 Maybe Luke had an advantage cause of the the father/son connection yes, but you're statement also kinda proves the point....he can only see things in black and white and furthermore he knew Anakin's story better than most, kinda shows a lack of insight or even force prowess imho.
This is why I really want the kenobi series to show some of qui gon training obi wan before they met anikin
Or at least sort of talk about it
Probably one of the most underrated characters in Star Wars, and who should have deserved more screen time in the prequel movies at least with flashbacks, not just the animated shows! Like, he's literally played by Liam Neeson, who would go on to portray a mentor training Batman, among other examples, so how much more badass can you get with that?!
Not to mention, Qui Gon had a Lara Croft looking alien Jedi for a love interest with Tahl, according to the comics. ;)
I think he's overrated, at least on this channel. I don't think character that suffers from lack of screen time can be ranked in the same caliber as characters with a lot more screen time.
@@UltimateDBZJAMES Fair enough, I can understand that. Though I'm considering the potential Qui Gon as a character could have had if he'd been thought through more in the story when developed by Lucas - which he might have done but only in expanded lore. :)
@@debzykvids I get why people like him, I mean, I do too. But, most people say he's great because he was the first force ghost, he is what a Jedi is supposed to be, and he would have raised Anakin the right way. That's all great, but it doesn't make him a good "character" per say. Which is why you see people liking Obi-Wan more than Qui-Gon way more often than not. Qui-Gon is great because of what he represents, was meant to be, and what little we saw of his character. But, the fact that we see so little of him puts him on the level of Tarkin or Lando from a character perspective. Great importance or great potential doesn't equal a great character. Again, he great for what he is, but he's not all that.
edit: Sorry for the essay, I might copy and paste this as a normal comment.
@@UltimateDBZJAMES Plus, part of his appeal is that we don't see his failures flaws the way we do with other characters. He is meant to be more of a plot devise than a real character.
@@rosesweetcharlotte I know, that's exactly why I wouldn't call him a good character nor put him in the top 10.
I hope that Qui-Gon is in the Obi-Wan show.
Unfortunately we didn't hear any rumors about Liam Neeson coming back 😔
Him having more screen time and being more fleshed out is the only way I'll ever agree with his ranking. If they it's good, of course.
@@AlexYBITW that doesn't mean he can't be in the show
@@jasomjensai-starwars2652 What do you mean ?
We are already rumored to have Cody and Anakin. That's enough for me.
I'm honestly surprised on how low Luke and Anakin are.
Agreed. They were really great well developed relatable characters on a heroes journey...but I guess that just speaks to how good the others are too.
Everybody's summed it up pretty well I've been saying for years like Qui-Gon is the epitome of what every Jedi should be. He may have only been in one movie but his presence can be felt through it all 6. And he had some great dialogue and great moments in the Clone Wars as well. Qui-Gon Jinn, Darth Maul are my favorite characters in the entire complete Six film Saga. What helped also was the presence of Liam Neeson there's just something about him he's got a commanding presence if another actor that played him I don't think it'd be quite the same. Qui-gon's the man and he'll always be my fav
Qui-Gon in many ways is honestly the true Jedi of his time. He was someone that Skywalker looked up to, as both a Jedi and as a fatherly figure. I also believe that Qui-Gon saw Anakin's penchant for the Dark Side. But unlike most of the other Jedi, he would react to it without fear or prejudice. In fact, I believe that if Qui-Gon was still alive, he would help Anakin get in tune with his darker nature. Not in the way a Sith does it, as we all know how that ends for most of them. No, he would teach Anakin how to wield the Dark Side and maintain balance within himself. After all, how can the Chosen One bring balance to the Force if he has no balance himself.
Also, I believe Qui-Gon would think of Anakin's affinity for the Dark Side as important and not to be ignored. The Jedi often told Anakin to ignore these feelings and not indulge them, but that's part of why he fell. His feelings went unattended and ignored, even by Obi-Wan. Had it been Qui-Gon, Anakin would be an open book and Qui-Gon wouldn't judge him so harshly. He would help Anakin manage his feelings, not bury them. He himself would speak from experience and with compassion. Qui-Gon wasn't like the other Jedi. He didn't resort to brandishing his lightsaber at the first sign of trouble, resorting to talking and negotiating instead. In fact, if you think about it, Qui-Gon was one of the Jedi who didn't really have to use his lightsaber all that much.
Honestly, the perfect antithesis of Qui-Gon Jinn would likely have to be Mace Windu. Where Windu himself has put the Jedi Code and the Republic before everything else, Qui-Gon often puts his compassion for others before the Code and the Council. He was the Jedi that Anakin should have aspired to. And Anakin did have compassion for others than himself. Especially if you recall his talk with Padme about Jedi and love in Attack of the Clones. If Qui-Gon had heard what he said about "Compassion being the same as unconditional love and essential to a Jedi's life", he would be beaming with pride.
As great as Qui-Gon was, I believe EU Luke really fully embodies what he wanted the Jedi to become, and it makes me wonder what Qui-Gon would think of Luke.
This is why I really wanted a Luke/Qui-Gon scene.
@@AlexYBITW Same. Qui-Gon would
probably be so proud, and yet so bemused how wholesome and straightforward he seems despite his depth and maturity. The conversation would be wonderful. Luke would probably even thank Qui-Gon for rediscovering the secret of Force Spirits so Ben could help him.
@@thepaladinauthoryoutube I always said it : Qui-Gon Jinn is the best Jedi of the Saga, tied with EU Luke. This is also why I loved how Luke was handled in the story mode of Battlefront 2, he is the exact same type of Jedi Qui-Gon was.
If Lucas made the Sequels, I'm sure we would have gotten a scene between Luke and all the Force ghosts, including of course the one who discovered the path to immortality : Qui-Gon Jinn.
Now let's hope he'll be in the Kenobi show...
Always Remember:
Your Focus Determines Your Reality.
Words of wisdom indeed.
Wisdom.
I'd love to see an animated conversation take place between him and Ahsoka on Malachor during Ahsoka's time there and them talking about Anakin, Obi Wan, Yoda, Luke, and Leia. As well as him teaching Ahsoka the path to immortality. It'd be fascinating to see these two's dynamics playing together on screen and in dialogue.
What's sad is that while Ahsoka is very close to a perfect Jedi, what does that actually get her?
Guess it will be a while before my favorite Jedi can get a video about him: Kit Fisto.
Meh, he'll probably get it in a few months when all the main characters are covered.
Kit Fisto is awesome. He is one of my favorite characters. why do you like Kit Fisto?
@@jasomjensai-starwars2652 His design is cool, he's had many cool actions scenes (particularly this fight with Greivous), he's a wise Master as demonstrated with his dynamic with his former padawan in the same episode, he is a member of an aquatic species (which I think is cool because he can fight underwater) and I played as him in a lot of Star Wars games.
Andrew Burton I love him for his laid back attitude, constant smile and excellent sense of humor. He’s not a constantly serious monk like a lot of other Jedi, he’s a genuinely nice guy that seems like he’d be easy to hang out with.
@@darthknightwingphoenix2081 that too
I like him for the same reasons, except that I don't care that he is aquatic. Kit Fisto is calm, confident, and joyful. if you were to make a TV show about him, what time of his life would you focus on?
I honestly never thought too much about Qui-Gon and his "ghostly presence" throughout the prequels (until watching clone wars of course) before this video. I guess that's why I watch your stuff Thor.
QGJ was the epitome of what I imagined a jedi would be as depicted in the OT. Exactly as described by Obi-Wan and Yoda, Guardians of Peace and Justice.
When I saw Episode 1 in theaters at the age of 9 I fell in love with Star Wars and Qui Gon...I was him for Halloween that year. I also read all the Jedi Apprentice Books of Him and Obi Wans first adventures. He is severely underrated and it’s amazing to see so many that love him. He is the true example of being One with the force and what a Jedi should be. You can feel the respect in the movies, books, comics, tv show anytime he’s around. Thank you for the video!
Qui-Gon's been one of my favorite SW characters since I was a wee tot and first saw the movie. He was so cool and intelligent, but oozing with compassion, particularly for Anakin and his mother, I remember how sad I was when he died at the end of TPM. Especially re-watching it after my own mother passed away when I was a kid (she actually bought me my VHS copy of TPM, which got my into Star Wars), it made me feel for Anakin losing a parental figure, and in the long run made his fall more tragic for me as well.
And also, that line of Obi Wan's about Yoda being his teacher and whatever never bothered me because a) like lots of people pointed out, Yoda taught the younglings at the Jedi Temple and b) at least watching TCW, although Anakin was her master, Ahsoka seemed to go off on lots of adventures with other Jedi masters and learn lessons from them and sort of be like their "temporary padawan;" I'm sure Obi-Wan probably had many encounters and adventures that probably involved Yoda to some degree, I think either way, his comment is still valid.
I think Kanan Jarrus was modeled after Qui Gon. Selfless and driven to live the jedi way
Honestly, if Liam Neeson played him any different it wouldn't be the same.
He is indeed. My favorite Star Wars character.
Thank you! He is a great example. Someone whose teachings I strive to practice as a way of life, to follow the will of the Benevolence, the Higher Self.
Qui-Gon Jinn in the top 10 ? Well deserved. Your subs know what's up Thor ! He is the best Jedi of the Saga, tied with EU Luke.
Hi Thor. I really love your videos. I have been an SW fan since the original when I was 4. Though I wasn't able to keep up with the EU and non movie materials, it's been easy to catch up thanks to TH-cam creators like you.
My father and I introduced my sons to SW with the prequels. Qui Gon was one of my favorites easily. Especially since I also hate bureaucracy and how it keeps things stagnant and unfortunately tends to hurt the so called "little guy." Had he lived, yes just as with Lord Stark, everything would have changed. Catching up on TCW now and I feel it more and more. Many blame Anakin's fall on his relationship with Padme, and of course his issues with letting go of loved ones. I wonder what you think about how that would have changed had Qui Gon lived. 👍🏼👍🏼
Top 10 but outside top 5, I’m good with that. Excellent character but not as much screen time (intentionally) holds him back.
I only watched the "The Phantom Menace" once, so I realize now that he was a more impactful character than I had thought. Thanks!
Qui-Gon is the ONLY reason I ever rewatch Episode 1. I really appreciate that Neeson didn’t over act the role, which makes Qui-Gon seem all the more genuine.
I often think that even if Qui-Gon HAD lived, he wouldn't have been the one to train Anakin because the Council would've deemed him too invested in Anakin's training, thus they would've still have Obi-Wan train him because Obi-Wan's had Qui-Gon's teachings but also sided with the Council. Qui-Gon might be relegated to advisor or consultant but he wouldn't train Anakin due to his invested interest potentially clouding is judgment; at least in the eyes of the Jedi Council.
Obi-Wan would have turned the offer down. He never wanted to train Anakin. He was forced to because he made Qui-Gon a promise.
@@AlexYBITW True but he also respected his master and made peace with him prior to the Battle for Naboo so he likely would accept it both because the Council willed it and because he would want to make Qui-Gon proud.
@@MegaJetty1 Good point but Obi-Wan wasn't ready at all to take someone under his wings. If not Qui-Gon, Anakin would have probably be assigned to another Master Jedi and that's just a supposition since no one believed in Anakin.
I think what is most likely is the council denies Anakin the rank of apprentice because he is too old and Qui gon is forced too either leave the order or leave Anakin.
@@jasomjensai-starwars2652 Which is exactly what sort of happens. Qui Gon doesn't leave the Order, no one says he has to, but he makes a point that no matter what, he is training Anakin.
We're meant to see Qui-Gon as the ideal Jedi but I'm not sure that I do. It's more a case of opposite extremes. The Jedi council has definitely lost its way in rigorously enforcing the code at the expense of the living Force. But Qui-Gon is equally wrong in heedlessly following his own interpretation of the living Force regardless of the consequences. A Jedi can be just as wrong in following a mistaken interpretation of the living Force as they can be wrong in following a mistaken interpretation of the code. In short, it's a do you prefer order or chaos type of question and the true Jedi is at neither of the opposite extremes. I also think we take too much on faith. I mean it's a great tragedy that Qui-Gon dies and Anakin does not receive the proper training, but I don't think we should assume that had he lived everything would have changed. Anakin is deeply flawed even as a child, and Palpatine goes all out to corrupt him. It's nice to think that Qui-Gon can turn all this around, but it's probably not wise to assume so. The two things that most corrupt Anakin, are the fact that his mother remains a slave, and his secret love affair with Padme. Qui-Gon did nothing about the former before he died, and it's not at all clear that he would uncover the latter when the rest of the Jedi did not. The real challenge I guess is the is the collective failure of the Jedi. Both Qui-Gon and the rest of the Jedi are totally cool with separating mother and child. And they accept the prophecy of the chosen one without any critical thought. Any potential savior is always going to be a potential destroyer, but neither the council nor Qui-Gon is looking out for that possibility.
Obi-wan knew about Padme and Anakin's relationship. If Obi-wan is able to find out, I feel like Qui gon would too. also, Qui gon is bold enough to confront Anakin about it especially because he knows what it's like. I agree that Qui gon wouldn't fix every problem, but I think he would successfully train Anakin too not fall to the dark side.
Despite his death in episode 1 Qui Gon is still an interginng character !!!!
"Your focus determines your reality"... I find it amazing this phrase was not mentioned in the video. Best Jedi character
Now we understand why society is falling apart the lack of fathers!
If QuiGon isn't the jedi that he is then the whole story of star wars almost definitely doesn't happen. He was the lynchpin for so many moments in the story. He's the one who found and recognized who and what anakin was. He's the one who brought him back to the temple and was determined to train him even against the council's wishes. He's the one whose death sealed the fate on Anakin's fall to the dark side. His death also ensured that the jedi had some sort of backup plan because he was able to teach Yoda and obiwan from beyond the grave how to keep their form in the force (plus a bunch of other stuff I'm sure) which allowed them to be able to train Luke even after their deaths so he was ready to do his part with Vader and the emperor. So if he's not the greatest Jedi he's definitely number two. Or 1B.
Just to help with that continuity comment, in the Phantom Menace Kenobi’s third line is George trying to tie that up. “But Master Yoda said I should be mindful of the future”. It always worked for me.
I'd love to see a movie about Qui-Gon being a Padawan of the Jedi Dooku. Now that would flesh out their characters. Dooku is even more interesting because he didn't submit to the Jedi to the degree, he left and became an antagonist, kind of. I think Qui-Gon is a great character potentially speaking, we just haven't seen enough screentime of him.
The very problem with thep requels is usually overlooked. It is that there are too many characters having not enough screentime, yet filled with interesting potential.
i would like to see Kriea get a vote as she serves as a realistic take on the force
"I hate the Force, I hate that it seems to have a will, that it would control us to achieve some measure of balance when countless lives are lost". - Kreia
@@philippschwarz4539 Why would you do such a thing? Giving into your emotions over a trivial matter. Your strength would be better served elsewhere - Kriea, Nar Shaadaa
@@darknessoftruth9314 "Ah, but at what point does the power the Force exerts submerge any attempt at choice, or free will?"
- Kriea
realistic/pessimistic. In the end, Kreia seems to hate life. There would still be the will of nature controlling everyone. You could get rid of the Force (I guess) but not of biochemistry x)
Luke should have been "Qui Gon Jinn" in the sequel films, you could even had have it confirmed that he used the crystal from Qui Gon's saber to make his own saber in ROTJ.
Toda also instructed Obi Wan in between trilogies.
I’ve been looking forward to this😁
who would have anakin skywalker best master yoda,mace windu,count dooku or qui gon jinn also can you make what if yoda trained anakin skywalker or what if count dooku never turned to the dark side
I think Yoda would be the best master for Anakin out of those options, but I also think Ki-adi Mundi would be a good master for him.
@@jasomjensai-starwars2652 no i dont think so
@@gerardocovarrubias1127 about Yoda or Ki-adi Mundi?
@@jasomjensai-starwars2652 if you know people who can make what if yoda trained anakin skywalker
@@gerardocovarrubias1127 well of course I know him, he's me.
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If only Qui-Gon had waited for Obi-Wan to catch up before pursuing Maul.
I think the perfect Qui-Got moment was when Jar Jar was facing execution for helping him and he could not abandon even an annoying innocent, while Obi-Wan embodied the Council's position of 'little people are of no account'.
Qui Gon was the result of Obi Wan being split into two characters which as much as I still loved TPM, I feel was a mistake as it sidelined Obi Wan for much of the film and was a missed opportunity to better develop his onscreen relationship with Anakin. Qui Gon was a well written character whose role ultimately should have been filled by Obi Wan.
Yeah, ultimately, these films are rather poorly structured. Really, TPM feels more like a TV pilot than a first movie.
In fact, it actually works better if you view it as a sort of beginning episode for TCW since it introduces so many characters who are only really important in that series.
Without TCW, the movie is sort of useless.
@@rosesweetcharlotte That's not what I was saying. I think the structure was fine. IMO the PT was truly great in concept & on paper yet flawed (but still good) in some aspects of the execution. Qui Gon still could have worked if his roIe was reduced to allow Obi Wan more independent agency & involvement. I definitely disagree about TPM & TCW series being at all intertwined as the series is distinctly interconnected eith AOTC & ROTS in terms of themes and timeline.
Qui-gon and why I love him in two lines:
Anakin (asking about Darth Maul who just introduced himself) : "What will we do about it?"
Qui-gon: "We shall be patient."
That is the response of an enlightened being, one that is equanimous.
Qui Gon was a phenomenal character who encompassed living in the moment, having the will to act and wisdom. "You know how to fight 6 Sebulbas. We can teach you how to engage 600. You know how to remain hidden. We can teach you how to become truly invisible."
I haven’t even watched the video yet, and I’ve already pressed the like button. Qui Gon has always been my favourite Jedi.
“Your focus determines your reality.”
Great video! I hope that for the next video revan gets picked. He has shown up on your comment vote in 2nd-3rd place for over a year now, but someone else gets picked every single stupid time.
Q was balanced and it was portrayed well by LN...which made it seem like he was bored/boring; he's poised and he probably knew he was gonna die to Maul once Obi fell behind. He was meditating, not to open that red shield but to prepare his body for ghost mode, IMO. Great vid, as always Thor!
It would be awesome to have a movie about Qui Gon Jinn
Got an ad for a new Liam neeson movie after the video lol
General pong krell
What a great story arc
how powerful is Pong Krell?
@@jasomjensai-starwars2652 We know he's good enough to slaughter dozens of clones. And despite his horrific history, the Jedi were still willing to send him out on missions.
5:33 We all need Qui-Gon Jinn ;-; If they make a game where you can change fate, I'm definitely going to prevent his death ;-;
I wish I saw this poll Qui Gon Jinn is and has always been my favorite character when I was a kid I always looked up to Qui Gon as a father figure I wanted to be just like him
I’m gonna say it for the last time. Star Wars NEEDS to give us a “what if?” Series like marvel is doing. Think of the possibilities!
What If Qui Gon trained Anakin?
What If Obi Wan faced the Emperor and Yoda faced Anakin?
What If Anakin didn’t cut off Mace’s hand?
What If Luke turned in Return of the Jedi?
What If Luke died in Episode 4’s Death Star run
What If Finn became a Jedi?
What If Luke survived through the Last Jedi?
What If Padme lived?
What If Anakin never had his legs chopped off?
What if Anakin did as his mother said and didn't turn around?
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well this is pretty much what i said to the pole
not gonna lie. he is my favourit character of the entire series. and i love the way he thinks and acts. its the moste true and pure way in my opinion, and he was pretty much the last real jedi from his time. and his story beyond just the phantom menace just makes him even better. the way he loved some one and then lost her. he knows anger, pain and has even tabed in to the dark side. it just makes him even better, and the fact that liam neeson played him is just...... its one of the best thing ever, besides from the fact that he dies, but that is needet for the story to end where it does. with out a doubt a "S" tier character and performance.
Has mace windu been done yet, bc I’d like to see him
Qui gon Jinn is one of the coolest characters in Star Wars and he is underrated by most casual fans, but I think he is overrated by most hardcore fans. Many people see Qui gon as the solution for every problem in Star Wars. If Anakin was Qui gon's apprentice, Sidious would probably still be able to destroy most of the Jedi. in addition, while Qui gon would be able to guide Anakin better than Obi-wan could if Qui gon were to die during the clone wars, Anakin would definitely turn to the dark side. Qui gon is too lenient. he would be a great father figure, but he might encourage Anakin too much. I'm not saying Anakin and Qui gon are a bad match, but Qui gon is not the best match. personally, I think Yoda or Ki-adi Mundi would be just as good, or better, masters for Anakin. even if Qui gon trained Anakin to be basically the perfect Jedi, Sidious would still be able to defeat the Jedi. he wouldn't have Anakin for his apprentice, but he would succeed in every other way. Qui gon Jinn is awesome, but he wouldn't fix the galaxy.
What I find beautiful about the Luke-Anakin-Obi Wan-Qui Gon dynamic is that Obi Wan WAS more of a brother to Anakin... a big brother who, after seeing their 'father' die, tried desperately to step into that role but just wasn't mature or experienced enough to do so. The line in ESB - "I thought I could instruct him as well as Yoda. I was wrong" - should, in hindsight, be said about Qui Gon Jinn. Obi Wan did his best but was forever trying to live up to Qui Gon's example - his own father figure - and never came into his own until he was training Luke, for whom he is the father-figure.
“We‘ll handle this”
I was actually thinking about the scene from ROTJ where Obi-Wan tells Luke, “I thought I could train Anakin as well as Yoda. I was wrong.” There’s just never any indication that Obi-Wan was trained by anyone other than Yoda, or that there was an additional Jedi who discovered and vowed to train Anakin. It sounds like I’m nitpicking, but when TPM came out, I was honestly confused about Qui-Gon’s role.
Revan and Kylo are tied as of writing this, hahah.
Totally A+ and my personal fav. Could you imagine Qui-gon had to confront Anakin in ep 3 😳
Qui-Gon jinn's gigantic nose was the source of all his force power and what power remnants from it.
I like Qui Gon. But I felt like he was projecting an ideal onto Anakin. Even if he had survived, I think he would have really struggled with Anakin's power and fear. I could easily see Qui Gon becoming a zealot who would have protected Anakin and deluded himself to the point where Anakin might have fallen to the dark side earlier than he did. I feel like if Qui Gon would have survived, we might have somewhat lessened the clone wars with droids and instead there would have been a civil war between the Jedi. Ultimately I think Anakin would have brought balance to the force through an immense conflict.
I agree that that is a risk, but I think it is more likely that Qui gon's training methods would succeed. who do you think Anakin's master should have been?
@@jasomjensai-starwars2652 Well, Star Wars is a story and for a story to be good there has to be some kind of conflict. So with that in mind, I don't think it would have mattered too much who trained Anakin. I feel like Anakin is sort of like a force of nature that could not be controlled by either the Jedi or the Sith. So I think Anakin should bring balance to the force through some sort of conflict that upends the system showcased in the prequel trilogy. But I definitely think there could have been some good drama with Qui Gon training Anakin.
@@christianguzman5886 so you are saying it doesn't matter who trains Anakin because the result would always be the same?
@@jasomjensai-starwars2652 in order for "Star Wars" to happen yes. Though glad to hear an alternative. I can't imagine a cooler story than a parent (Anakin) becoming corrupted and eventually fighting their child (Luke) who also redeems them. Though I suppose the roles could be reversed and Anakin doesn't fall but his hubris allows his children to fall to the dark side and he has to stop them. But at the same time I like the whole balance to the force thing.
@@christianguzman5886 wait a minute, is your what if Qui gon survived scenario an outside universe speculation like what would George Lucas do with the prequels if Qui gon survived? because I was thinking of an in-universe scenario like what would logically have happened if Qui gon survived.
Let Rey leave the bottom, do a poll on Rose.
Entirely biased comment because Qui-Gon is hands down my favorite character. I was drawn to him the moment I saw him. The calmness is his performance just oozes Jedi. I don't think Liam was bored in the least. I think he nailed the character. Of course most objections about the acting throughout the prequels really needs to fall on George's shoulders since the actors are following his direction. Just throwing it out there.
Just look at him. He's so cool, he acts cool, his teachings are cool, and the fact that he's not trying to be cool makes him even cooler!
Qui-Gon should have been injured in the first prequel, and then given a hero's sacrifice in the second movie.
Alright I'm going to say this: another reason why I believe Obi said Yoda trained him is following Qui Gons death, I always viewed Yoda as similar to Obi Wans mentor, especially the way they seem to interact like good friends during order 66(at least to me it seems like this)
also Yoda said he would teach Obi-Wan how to commune with Qui-Gon in ROTS, so maybe that's what Obi-Wan talks about?
Hope they bring back Qui Gon back as a ghost in the Obi Wan series
No fair, I never even saw the poll so I could vote for him. Why didn’t I see the poll? I thought it was supposed to reveal itself to me because that’s what it had always done before.
Let's not forget that qui gon's personality offers a glimpse of the fully realized Obi Wan Kenobi we see in a new hope. Qui Gon is not Obi Wan obviously, but neither is Ewan Mcgregor a fully realized Obi Wan by the end of revenge of the sith. The time spent between the prequels and the originals is the time in which Qui Gon's teachings must have fully settled. Obi Wan, despite beating Vader on mustafar had not yet realized the failings of the Jedi.
I can only imagine once in exile, with only time to meditate did some of Qui Gon's most important lessons take hold.
He is to me what a true Jedi is.
Personally, I think fans have overinflated Qui-Gon's importance and prescribed him as the savior of the Jedi Order. But I think this is a gross exaggeration of his character. In many ways he is typical Jedi of the era and that's not a bad thing. He does not give into emotion, he follows Jedi dogma, and he is calm, collected, and he has remained with the Order because he believes in it. He is not a grey Jedi, wants to see the Sith and Dark Side defeated just as much as any other Jedi (which is why he fights them).
The only differance is that he when he disagrees with the Council he makes it known. He's a bit of a maverick, but less so than Anakin. He always follows the Code and obeys the Council unless he feels there is some greater destiny by the Force (like the Chosen One prophesy) that can only be achieved by disobeying the Council. You could even argue that this devotion to prophesy makes him more dogmatic than the council.
Like I don't mean to disrespect my old master, he was generally a very typical Jedi and that's a good thing. He was not grey just for occasionally disagreeing with the council. And such a trait does not make him better than other Jedi. Lest we forget, the only other Jedi wgo disagreed with the Council so regularly were Dooku and Anakin who took it so far that they turned to the Dark Side. Disobedience is a destructive trait in many scenarios and it was a trait of Qui-Gon.
One can even argue that the destruction of the Jedi was Qui Gon's fault, as it was he who insisted Anakin be trained when Anakin was too old and already had emotional attachments. If the Council had it's way and Anakin was never trained there is a very good chance the Jedi woundn't have been killed of and the that the Sith would have been defeated right after the Clone Wars.
There has been a renewed interest in Qui Gon due to a lot of people rewatching TCW, as well as Dave Filoni's recent statements regarding the character.
But I do agree with you.
I think that "You were my brother Anakin" is best looked at in contrast to "You're the closest thing I have to a father." Plus, Qui-Gon's allegiance purely to the will of the Force is a great contrast to "My allegiance is to the Republic, to democracy!" even if the latter line was a bit misplaced in the movie. Since becoming a Force Ghost is tied to losing all attachments, I wonder if Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Anakin only became Force Ghosts because they had no Republic and no democracy left to pledge allegiance to.
perhaps that is something Qui gon trained Obi-wan and Yoda to let go of. neither of them were trained to become force ghosts until after Episode 3.
Yep,I Totally Agree That The Star Wars Universe Changed Alot When He Died.
I find it funny that people say what Anakin needed was a Father Figure not a Brother here's the thing if Qui-Gon Jinn survived then he would be the one to train Anakin so he would have had the Father Figure but Anakin also would have a Brother Figure in Obi-Wan Kenobi because they both were trained by Qui-Gon Jinn so Anakin would have had both if Qui-Gon lived Qui-Gon Jinn (Father ) Obi-Wan Kenobi ( Brother )
He’s probably in my top three favorite Jedi in the series just under Luke and Obi Wan
Qui-Gon was supposed to be the paradigm of a Jedi knight and Luke ultimately fulfilled that in Return of the Jedi. Even though well-meaning, Obi-Wan and Yoda still showed the flawed rigidity of the Jedi Council even in the OT. It's ironic that although on different sides, in Return of the Jedi, Yoda, Obi-Wan, and the emperor ultimately all wanted Luke to do the same thing (albeit for different reasons) - kill his father.