Undertale - Hopes and Dreams / Save The World / Last Goodbye | Reacting To Video Game Music!
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Genre: leitmotif
@@axy8428 Ameno...
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Sub genre: Megalovania
"Hopes and Dreams" is the True Final Boss song, while "SAVE THE WORLD" plays near the end of it. And yes, "Last Goodbye" plays during the Epilogue.
A little bit of a fun fact: the piano section of Last Goodbye that plays at 6:43 is a live piano recording by Toby Fox, and he's said that it's his personal self-expression. The file name of the song is even "mus_express_myself".
Indeed, and it's likely the reason he was hearing white noise at the live piano sections. They were recorded differently.
I hope battle against a true hero is on your reaction list
@@maxentirunos I'm having a stroke reading that
"What genre is this?"
Yes
Undertale is a masterclass in leitmotifs, and those leitmotifs are a big reason why everything blends in with each other so well. The entire soundtrack is intertwined with itself.
Those four notes will haunt us forever. He's everywhere.
This is why it sticks with so many people I think, you hear those motifs in a happy variant, sad, nostalgic, triumphant..it really connects with your emotions
@@Crocogator Sweet Home Alabama...
@@Crocogator Toby Fox: master of hallucinations
As much as i love those three songs, my favorite track from the game is still 'Undertale'. If you're wanting to hear Toby work with more live instrumentation, that one is highly worth checking out.
It's been requested! When I'll get to it is another story..
@@JessesAuditorium You will tear up hearing 'Undertale.
This is a threat.
I know man. One of my favorite favorites :)
If you are going to cover the song "Undertale," I highly suggest first listening to the tracks "Once Upon A Time" and "Memory" beforehand. While these 3 songs don't play back-to-back, you'll be introduced to the core melodies in somthing closer to the intended way.
@@tristankadow3756 half the reason you cry during undertale is the context lol
"Sounded like Chrono Trigger for a second" - Toby does use the Chrono Trigger soundfont a lot.
Whoever made the mix you listened to did an incredible job fitting all 3 songs together, the transition between *Hopes and Dreams* and *Save The World* actually uses the intro from *Last Goodbye* (those two alternating notes that spammed like 8 times), and then they connected STW directly to LG's piano part!
The Mandela Effect is never stronger than when you watch multiple react channels
I'm glad you decided to listen to these all in a group, they have such similar instrumentation that its best to listen to them all at once. There are tons of Motifs in the song, and as others have pointed out Hopes and Dreams is the first part of the final boss, Save the World is the 2nd part, and Last Goodbye is the credits sequence.
I'm pretty sure that all the music is synthetic (? I mean as in using samples, not performed) except the piano segment at the end, hence why you can hear the mic noise during the piano parts, as he actually played that himself and integrated it. Plus the fact that back then he had only the kickstarter money and afaik wasn't extremely wealthy like he is now since the game's popularity and sales. Also if I'm not mistaken he is a completely self-taught musician, no formal training in musical arts, which makes the soundtrack very impressive.
The songs on the raw OST do have definite start and ends that are meant for looping the song segments in-game, but the uploader of the video took out the transitions and spliced them together. I myself did that and also tried to eliminate or decrease the mic noise during the piano parts years ago as well just to see if I could with only basic free editing tools lol
I believe that Last Goodbye is not the only track with live music. IIRC the track Undertale is played on guitar (hence why it sounds so different from Home), but not by Toby Fox. I can't remember the name of the musician though.
Save The World plays: Wow, I can see this being credits music!
Last Goodbye: Exists
Listening to this made me remember why Undertale is such a masterpiece, there are few games out there that actually use the fact that they are games to it's full advantage, stuff like The Last of Us could be a movie and it wouldn't be any different, Undertale can only be a videogame.
From the use of the instruments (synth or real, it does makes a difference narratively), to the use of game terminology, HUD, how people even approach a videgame, it's all utilized.
Coming up on 8 years, and it still hits as hard as it did when it came out.
oh i still remember the gut wrenching feeling i got when i got to the last boss in the neutral run. Having the last boss having essentially the same power all players had was such a clever idea.
You've listened to "Megalovania" and "Spider Dance" which are 2 VERY different songs, even to these 3 songs as well lol. Megalovania had Electric Guitars.
I love how Toby uses everything in his musical storytelling toolbox here for this epic battle ⭐🎸. Undertale reminds me so much of Chrono Trigger I listen to them together all the time. This is super super busy as it's the culmination of everything we've experienced in the game. I can't say too much as I'm too scared of spoiling :). You heard guitars in megalovania haha.
He used the entire buffalo
Hearing this in the background still makes for such an awesome surge of emotion during the fight. Undertale is getting old is and memed a ton but holy hell it will always be an incredible game.
The elevator pitch for Undertale from the moment the kickstarter began, which I think is safe to say, is that Toby Fox had a thought: Everyone wonders where the random JRPG trash mob is, no one ever asks how it feels to be a JRPG trash mob.
It's so interesting hearing someone react to the Undertale ost without context of the narrative cause Undertale as a game is really built to have both aspects be experienced at the same time. I've never sat down and actually analyzed Hopes and Dreams before cause I was so emotionally attached and too busy playing it on a loop. This has been one of my favorite songs for a long time and only now am I actually thinking of it with a critical mindset, this is what your videos do to me Jesse lol
One of the most fascinating things about this piece really is how it's built up. Undertale has an EXTREMELY strong leitmotif game going for it, so these are all effectively melodies you've heard before in different contexts but this is the first time any of them really go this hard. And yes, there's narrative reasons for that, but even just musically it's a hell of a trip to go on.
Also, just as a note for Toby's career, it's been fascinating to watch his career arc. Started out making romhacks for Earthbound, and doing music for a webcomic. Then kickstarted his own game that became a success beyond his or anyone's wildest expectations, and the work he did on the OST for Undertale has led to him being a now regular collaborator with Game Freak as he's now contributed tracks for both Pokemon Sword/Shield and Scarlet/Violet, and - if memory serves at least - The Good Life.
@@temporalwolf7054 also that one Town rpg gamefreak did, Little Town Hero
@@temporalwolf7054 "a webcomic"
If you haven't heard the song called "Undertale" from Undertale before, be prepared to cry
If you listened to the whole soundtrack in one go, you’d probably hear a bunch of repeated motifs repeated in different ways in different tracks… If not exactly, then similar tunes will come up in various ways… It’s a really neat soundtrack.
The thing with the game is that there is an optimal way to get the best story, but if you do that then you can lose out on other interesting stuff… Some fans will want you to do one, while others would prefer the other… Depending on if you care more about what the game does or the story or whatever else… It has lots of fun secrets to discover… So this is why people both want you to be blind,but might also want to backseat lol
I don't know if this is a spoiler or not, but you pointed out not noticing real instruments before. As the stakes get higher, the instrumentation becomes higher fidelity, so at the beginning of the game it's all chip-tune and very whimsical, and towards the end of the game you can hear actual guitars and drums and higher quality synths.
Iirc, the only time a live instrument is used in the undertale ost is "Undertale. "
They sounds pretty realistic, but I believe this song still uses VSTs for the electric guitar and stuff. Only Undertale uses an acoustic guitar.
@@prismatic3695 The piano segment is also a real instrument, Toby even recorded it himself, said it was his self expression, his muse
Toby Fox is not only the composer, but also the programmer, the writer, and also did a lot of the art and character design.
Almost half of the art is done by him
It started with Hopes and Dreams, switched over to Last Goodbyes for just a bit, then transitioned into Save the World, and then it weaved in-between Save the World and Last Goodbye (at least thats how it sounded for me), finishing with Last Goodbye. I'll admit I rarely listen to Last Goodbye but I do like to hear Hopes and Dreams + Save the World from time to time so I could kind of tell what was going on. My personal favorite out of these 3 used to be Hopes and Dreams but now Save the World is my fave.
A Heads up: "Save The World" has two versions out there. There is one that is circulating around OSTs that has a raised pitch compared to the ingame version. Check for "Save The World - Pitch Corrected" for how it's played in game. For some reason Toby had it play with the correction done in game?
Some final boss musics are epic orchestra.
Some are dark and gloomy.
Some are mythical.
This is one of the final boss music when the fate of the world lies on your shoulder, and YOU CAN'T LOSE.
Edit : 'Hopes and Dreams' is for phase 1 of the final boss, 'Save the World' is for phase 3.(Phase 2 is called 'Burn in dispair' and is some noisy death metallish guitar)
So you fight the final boss with everything you got, the boss fight back to break you, but you refuse, and stand back up to save the day.
'Last Goodbye' is the end credits.
"And it refused."
You know how in Chrono Trigger you watched the world's life flash before its eyes as you fought the final boss, inviting you to reflect upon your journey, how far you've come, who you've met, all you've done? This is... a lot like that. A lot of credits sequences do that, too, so it makes sense that's the vibe you got. This song can hit people really hard because the game is good at getting you to connect to the world and to care about its characters, so it can really strike some emotions if you're buying what it's selling.
Also, it's really cool how the guitar struck you as out of place, because it fits the context weirdly perfectly.
Fun fact: AEW (then NJPW) wrestler Kenny Omega entered to this song with a entrance video made by Toby Fox at the biggest wrestling event in Japan at the Tokyo Dome
Actual gigachad.
And later did a similar entrance deal for AEW themed around Sans.
I read somewhere Yasunori Mitsuda was an inspiration for Toby Fox, so that brief Chrono Trigger vibe you got was fitting.
As others have said so much use of leitmotifs in this game. Always look forward to seeing more Undertale songs pop up. These songs still gives the feels and I played it back at the end of 2015.
*you have something called "determination." so as long as you hold on... so as long as you do what's in your heart... i believe you can do the right thing.
Whenever I listen to Undertale tracks, I get fully thrown back into the emotional context. In particular, Save the World always makes me cry with the strength of the emotion. Toby Fox’s skilful use of leitmotif has immense power.
Undertale is fun.
The Fandom is... complex? To be polite? It is one of those games where you wish you could just replay them without memories. That is why nobody wants to spoil anything.
Edit: I can maybe add something non spoilerific. The Game itself is held in an Art Style that is to expected with the Midi music, induces a bit nostalgia, but also makes things modern. Toby Fox previously did some earthbound mod`s(? is it called like that if you make your own story with the game? ) I do not know too much about it.
Gameplay and narrative in undertale are very ingrained in each other, so it is hard to tell anything without spoiling too much. BUT the game is also not too long, and it is something else.
To answer your question about mods, mods are an umbrella term that just covers any alteration (or modification, hence the name) to a game (or really any software but lets keep it in a gaming context for now) made by a body outside of the original development team. Other terms that have been used are ROM hacks or just hacks, which mean much the same thing but kind of have a slightly different connotation, since now mods can be made official in some contexts via stuff like Steam Workshop and hacks still kind of embody the original definition of altering a game. Now both these terms cover both full on game sized modifications and smaller things, like fixing a bug present in an original game or changing an image file into another.
Because of the coverage of this term being so wide, the modding/hacking scenes more often use the term "fangame" or rarely "mod game" to describe mods or hacks that change an entire game. I first really noticed this shift in culture regarding the readoption of difficult Super Mario World ROM hacks by the Super Mario Maker community calling them fangames (this is most noticeable if you watch any Games Done Quick speedrun of a SMW fangame, where they will call it such rather than a ROM hack or mod). So by that metric, Toby Fox's previous Earthbound project Halloween Hack (despite its name) would be called a fangame since molds an entirely new story out of some elements from the original Earthbound (and other games like Nihon Falcom's Brandish)
@@AREAlhero thank you a lot for the explanation, it is very appreciated. It's sometimes hard to get words right, especially if you are just stumbling trough a foreign language here, but I found it extremely helpful, so thanks!
It's also a game that if you play it and decide to stream it, there is no love for chat. Zero chat. Zero comments. Trust me. 💀
UNDERTALE: a game about accepting others regardless of differences & treating them like real people.
UNDERTALE Fandom: thirsting for skeletons, semi-racist unironically, actually talented artists & composers, & lastly, leeches that exist only to drag people into their cesspool & not respect their opinions or decisions.
@@CaptainCFalcon that doesn't sound very accepting of others regardless of differences and treating them like real people of you
@@pointlessmanatee I treat real people like real people, the hiveminds that make up Fandoms are hard to truly call human.
There are some real people here & there amongst the droughts of basically NPCs. Like, 60% of any given Fandom will just be people repeating the exact same behaviors as others in the Fandom, like some broken record.
What tells me that this games music truly did something to me, was the fact that when I saw you were gonna be listening to it, my eyes started to water as I could vividly hear the Opening section of Hopes and Dreams. This games Music does stuff to you emotionally, as to where even if I try my hardest, I can't keep back how it made me felt when I first heard it.
Yes just reading the combined title of Hopes and Dreams Save the World every Memorie just rushed back and bam a hit of Emotion.
The soundtrack makes more sense if you have played the game and understand the themes. And the reason why it sounds so discordant is because it is both melancholic and triumphant and using leitmotif (mostly the motif of the main theme, so it's a shame you didn't listen to that yet). So, the music is literally going in multiple different directions at the same time with chord progression and melody. I feel like the riffs are the main driving force and it's simply tied together by familiar melodies to maintain a thematic consistency, or more specifically in my opinion: this version shifts the tone of the main theme to give it new life and meaning, the same way a person can gain perspective on trauma and get inspiration out of it in order to heal and move forward. It also represents emotional closure for the characters and the audience since part of it plays during the epilogue. Also, it is multiple songs combined, but they just happen to fit together as a medley and occur in sequence near the end of the game.
I am so happy to see hopes and dreams on this channel! This is my favorite UNDERTALE song, because it brings me a lot of emotions. Knowing its context, i just can't hold back my tears..
UNDERTALE is about friendship and loneliness. And this final boss battle punches you the strongest with those.
While its not the only track with more real instruments, the fact that it has so many of them is very prominent of its climax, the culmination of the story
With those songs Memories come flooding back. No im not crying, you are crying.
I think one of the main reasons why people love the Undertale music as much as they do is because of the sentimental value behind each song. The game is very good at evoking emotion and certain feelings as you play it. So I think people are kind of reliving that emotion they felt during the parts in the game when they listen to each track. The music is also really good on its own, don't get me wrong, but from what you were saying, as a complete outsider who has almost no knowledge of the game, I can totally understand your viewpoint on it all.
I myself am a big fighting game nerd by heart and to me going into the game it definitely felt a little weird. But after I played all the way through it, I can say I have a lot of sentiment for the game and the music now and I do appreciate going back and listening to the soundtrack once in a while outside of the game, but I think if I hadn't played through it the music just wouldn't really keep me tied to it like that.
I think Undertale is definitely one of those games everyone should experience in their lifetime, and I'm sure you get this all the time from rampant fans, but you definitely should play it at some point--whether in private on your own or on stream or something. Just fair warning though: if you ever do happen to stream it, make sure to ignore chat entirely otherwise you'll get spoiled and/or backseated, and it will ruin your experience with it.
Like people all say, you want to play this game completely blind--no backseating, no spoilers, nothing. That's just because the first time playing this game really is something different. I can say that from experience because I was lucky to play it completely blind myself. And playing it again will never fully recapture the feeling I had from playing it through the first time. But watching others play for the first time, it's almost like you can live vicariously in them and experience it all over again. It's why lots of people love watching others play through it on their first go.
I really like the idea of mixing multiple songs that sound similar together for each Undertale reaction, because Undertale has a lot of songs like that. I think this format would work well with songs like You Idiot, Your Best Nightmare and Finale.
Always hits in the feels this one, great summing up of the whole adventure
You're fighting a boss, who is trying to end the world in a way. But you're fighting with hugs. Legit hugging a boss into submission.
3:38 probably not intentional at this particular moment but the undertale soundtrack is filled with references to old rpg music, the obvious one is the scene where they basically 1 for 1 remake the opera from ff6 but the references are deep to the point of the game actually using some samples from snes games
One of the best sequence of songs in any game, the emotions flow so freely
IMO, the different components of the OST you can isolate speak perfectly for the context of what is going on in the moment.
The almost harsh sounding guitar in the background reminds you of the severity and seriousness of the situation at hand. But the lighter, more whimsical foreground pushes you forward regardless of the adversity. The classic fantasy setting of a great and terrible evil that you combat with the power of love and Determination. Commonly used, but ambiguous enough to allow such diverse variety of said trope.
(NyxTheShield created a beautiful remix of the first two songs titled "HOPES and DREAMS Will Save the World," which speaks volumes for all of the context you need)
I'd honestly LOVE to see you play Undertale someday. It's trip start to finish
This has two of my favorite Undertale songs so I gotta comment on this one. I haven't played Undertale fully myself, I played a little bit but I'm far from the end of the game so I'll just be talking about where these songs take me.
First song, it has the motif that's throughout the game. I think it's the main motif but idk; the guitars sound great here. Not too much grit to them but just enough edge, the strings are just really nice here. The melodies here are the kind that I always associate with the Toby Fox, the key change is phenomenal and the whole song makes me think of one word which is determination. I've heard that has something to do with the game but I honestly can't remember atm.
I think it goes right into Save the World? Which is just more Hopes and Dreams which I'm always down for. Since it has a lot of the same elements as Last Goodbye I'll save my comments for that song. I gotta say but the really emotional part is really really nice and is just super heart felt.
Last Goodbye is just perfection, love the guitars that come right after the piano part. Just awesome, it has an even more hopeful feel than Hopes and Dreams, the ending is emasculate. It is a perfect continuation of Hopes and Dreams. I love all of these songs, Last Goodbye is probably my favorite Undertale song. I still feel like this games soundtrack is Toby Fox's best work.
Oh so I'm gonna be crying today, that's what we're doing huh?
You know the Chrono Trigger catch was pretty apt, that alongside Touhou, and MOTHER/Earthbound (and I believe Yume Nikki and Cave Story but I am doing this off the top of my head and not fact checking this at all lmao) were some of the big inspirations for the game especially in Toby Fox's compositions. My favorite track from Undertale is "Battle against a True Hero" so I hope we can see a reaction to that anytime soon
A group of incredible themes from a spectacular game.
Toby Fox was also listed in the End of Pokémon Sword and Shield's Ending credits
Simply put, this plays while, hopes and dreams in your little heart, you save the world, and then give a last goodbye. : P
The titles absolutely describe what they play for.
I listen to this song a lot, it captures the feeling of, well… hopes and dreams really well.
technically there's meant to be a gritty song and break of silence between HaD and StW but yeah the energy is raw
Thanks for the music reaction as always Jesse! Really glad you enjoyed these 3 themes. Idk how far you got in your Undertale playthrough, but if you haven't yet I hope you manage to finish the game at least once, and I hope you can try Deltarune when it finishes too! It's another game by the same main developers, so it has a lot of similarities but Toby has gone out to say it's it's own game and not a sequel or prequel or whatever to Undertale.
It’s impossible for me to watch the fifth anniversary concert of these songs without ugly crying
Glad you finally got around to this one after I requested so long ago. I'm just glad to see the reaction lol
That white noise you were hearing at 7:00 and 8:00 was actually used for the dark alternate path you can take. It’s slowed down by 666% and is super creepy in game with very heavy implications.
Hopes and Dreams will always make me tear up
Aw yeah the return of Undertale oh boy the feels are coming back😭❤️
Please consider playing Undertale someday
4:29 because it is this theme I might be wrong plays during the final boss fight in Pacifist run
says "he's made all of these riffs already and doesn't know where to use them, so he mad chemists them together" during the song that's supposed to be a nostalgic reference to all the other main motifs of the game.
Undertales biggest sell is its character and personal discovery. If you look things up you will spoil yourself the enjoyment of experiencing the game
I don't know for certain, but the "white noise" you hear in the background could be background noise from when Toby Fox recorded himself playing piano. While the rest of the track is very synth heavy, the piano is acoustic.
If I had to put a genre to this, Undertale is a whole game of "I Want" broadway songs and programmatic music. Not really genres but IDK how else to say it. And yeah, there's a few times in the game when music plays that sounds very different than the rest of the soundtrack, as a way of making sure you know something _significant_ is happening.
Maybe a choice rpg
If you like this composer, Fox also did some of the tracks from Pokémon Scarlet and Violet, including the absolutely ethereal Area Zero theme.
That game has several great tracks by a few different composers. Another one i suggest from it is the Team Star battle theme. It sounds like a 1990s Capcom game.
Undertale is a game that intentionally presents itself as a smaller scale project than it actually is. It restrains itself from using live instruments until the most pivotal moments of the story to catch the player off guard when they happen. It will use midi tunes for scenes with levity, and step up to sampled/synthetic music for scenes that are to evoke a strong feeling, and live instruments only for the most triumphant or dire moments.
These "musical surprises" are one of the major factors for why people recommend going into the game without any prior knowledge, and what got such a small time American indie dev hired to work on some of Nintendo's mainline properties like the recent Pokémon games and some other ones, (I want to say he did some animal crossing songs, but I may be misremembering because he also did the entire soundtrack for little town hero, a lousy game with an mazing soundtrack).
The part where you said there was "white noise" was actually a live piano recording
You’ve gotta play this!
Yes, you answered your own question regarding the genre.
Almost 100% of everything Toby Fox composes is made solely on FL Studio and is very rarely live instrumentals from what I remember (in fact, the only live parts I can think of are the lyrics Toby sings for the songs Spamton, NOW'S YOUR CHANCE TO BE A, and BIG SHOT. But those aren't technically instrumentals are they?).
The thing about Undertale is that while many games have amazing graphics or voice acting or game mechanics, Undertale has amazing emotion. Toby seems to be an expert at crafting emotion through a combination of music, storytelling and gameplay. It perfectly demonstrates how a game made with true passion can be orders of magnitude better than games sterilely manufactured with millions or billions of dollars.
I think the contrast in the song's feels is entirely intentional, in context. There's a lot of mixed emotions involved, both with the player and the opponent.
*"The hardest choices requires the hardest wills"*
is Thanos secretly a pacifist run player?
Is there any way to see if a specific song has already been requested?
(Thanks for making stuff btw)
If you ever played undertale, I'd love to see your gameplay of it! No pressure tho, love what you do already
Honestly even though he is a music channel would love to see him play the game an get the story around the music
The reason people are telling you to not look anything before playing is (apart from spoilers) because it has various endings and some part of the fandom will try to force you to complete one specific ending first, instead of letting you complete the ending you want
Aaaand you have just spoiled a massive part of the game. God we really suck at this.
@@The_True_Mx_Pink where is there a spoiler? The amount of games with several endings is large enough that it isn't a shock when there is several for a game
@@amnesiacapothecary Just learning that your actions can have serious consequences to the point of having several important and vastly different endings is enough to _greatly_ influence the way you play the game. If you want a truely blind experience to the game, sharing information is completely antithetical to the point unless they are getting frustrated without it or they specifically request it.
the musictracks are good, but the reason they are so popular lies in the game itself. they carry the emotions you will have and upgrade the music in the most beautiful way possible.
it is not crazy, if ppl tell you to play the game without get any information about it, because undertale is not just a video game, it is an experience.
if you did not play the game until now, you should in the purest form possible. without any influence from others. it is made, that every one who plays the game the first time will have a unique experience nobody else had. just let nobody take away from it
if you want a true like shake up in the style of music for undertale my first immediate recommendation is either "Battle Against A True Hero" or "Mad Dummy"
undertale! great game also very short, add to your list to play on stream you can hammer it out in one day if you wanted.
You should listen to the song Undertale. It is an experience.
This is not a end credits theme, but it is the TRUE final boss theme of the game.
You've heard "ASGORE" as well.
❤️ It fills you whit Determination
In this game, you try to avoid getting hit by the credits.
We need some Anamanaguchi and the Scott pilgrim ost
Nice reaction, take this comment as a boost to the algorithm!
Still very much looking forward to Death by Glamour!
Toby Fox's work on Undertale was heavily influenced by his time on the Homestuck music team. Years in the future, but not many, you will understand the import of that statement.
Its here🎉 this song includes leitmotif heaven lol
i hope you enjoyed
SAVE the world ❤️
U listen the soundtrack... Now play the game without spoilers: its feels in the soul
If you play the game.... record it for youtube please.
some undertale songs you should listen to are Death by glamour and undertale the song
You should listen to reunited by toby fox if you haven't already! It's probably my favorite piece from Undertale.
if we not including asgore than hopes and dreams is my favorite final boss theme in the game
The Concert Ver. is Best
If you ever do play Undertale, a *lot* of the songs will have *so much* more impact.
It sounds conflicting for a reason actually...cause the person ur fighting is split emotionally
Can I have a short intermission reaction?
Do Bonetrousel, a very short but fun song about someone dancing like a russian.