From Redside Association Post on Facebook, any have further info: For Middle Fork boaters: Ramshorn and Spike Creek blew out again last night. There is also a new blow out just upstream from Ramshorn. It sounds like there are at least three new log jams. There is a new log jam at Ramshorn, a new one at Spike Creek and a new one between Velvet and Boy Scout. There may also be more issues upstream and/or downstream from there. The river is very muddy coming into Ramshorn too. The river is running thick mud and may continue to run muddy for a while. The bridge at Ramshorn has been removed from the river and is above the high water mark for the winter. It will be removed from the wilderness next spring. Stay safe!!
@@danbentsen Hi Dan! I'm still doing geology talks but no black pdr hunting, just a little target shooting. I hope you are well. I miss working with you on the MF.
This is most excellent work! Thank you for taking the time and effort to share. Well done video. Can't wait to see more! Hope you had an excellent trip.
We hiked to Ramshorn on September 18 and there was a log jam blocking the current by the rock cliff on the left. The Ramshorn pack bridge was on river right, somewhat mangled.
It's amazing what has happened.......we rafted it at 5' in June. I went over Velvet sideways in my 15' raft and was tossed, but the raft stayed upright, now it looks like a kayak would have trouble squeezing through lol! Hopefully everything gets washed next spring.
Yeah, I'm excited to see what/if anything changes come next spring or with some fall storms. Will definitely do another video come next year and compare the differences.
I thank you very much for a great video and commentary! We, 2 of us launch in a few days from the top. Really appreciate your sharing this. I hear efforts will be made to remove the bridge this Thursday and Friday. We launch Fri and hope to get some pics. Thunderstorms in Donnelly tonight and moving east , so... we will report back after the 21st. Thanks for the video
That's awesome! I'm glad it helped. We're also going late September. I think it's still pretty dynamic in there and if we get some storms in September things could definitely change, only time will tell. If we do get some rain I might hike back in there in a few weeks a check it out again. But if I do I'll take some more video.
Brian - thanks for doing this. Six of us are planning to go off the top on September 21st. It looks like from your video there is a longer portage around ramshorn and the log jam immediately downstream, a pull over log in a right channel within hells half mile, and a portage around velvet. Would you agree if all things stay the same from when you went down? Any further jams reported downstream of velvet?
@@danielmurrer575 No problem! Yeah I'd agree with that for the most part. You might not have to portage the two jog jams at ramshorn it depends on what type/size boats you're taking (kayaks and small rafts might not have to portage). The pull over log in the right channel is right at the Spike Creek Blowout just above Velvet. Velvet will likely be a portage for anything but a skilled kayaker. There aren't any other log jams we've heard about below Velvet but things could've changed since we were there. We're launching from the top Sept 26 and are planning on scouting all of those things from Ramshorn to Velvet again but if things haven't changed it should be very similar to what you described. We're using this hike as a baseline of conditions while anticipating things will change and acting accordingly. Hope you have an awesome trip! And if we get some storms rolling through, I might go hike it again and I'll make a new video.
So fascinating to see. Thank you for putting this video together. I’ve got a June 10th permit for 2023, I’m hoping you’re right and most of those logs wash out. Any plans to hike down end of May?
Yeah I'd like to hike in and check it out when the water is a little higher or maybe fingers crossed we can pick up a cancellation permit like last year.
After your hike to the blowouts, are you reconsidering launching from Boundary at the end of the month. I am launching on the 19th of September but haven’t decided whether we fly or launch from boundary. Smallest raft I own is a 14 foot Avon. Thanks for your report!
We are still going to launch from Boundary but we will be a smaller group with a few kayaks (hardshell's and IKs) and maybe one or two small paddle rafts (10ft or 13ft). We aren't planning on taking any oar frames. There's a chance that if the water drops more that we'd have to portage both log jams at Ramshorn and Velvet. We'll be doing a smaller, light self-support style trip. Things may still change between now and then, logs shifting or maybe some storms coming in and the potential for the creeks to go again or new ones could blow out, so we're kind of playing it day by day at this point. But the plan is to go light from Boundary, we personally wouldn't go from Boundary right now with oar framed boats loaded like a typical Middle Fork trip.
@@thewhitewaterstate for sure. I’m launching on the main on the 26th but might go up and hike to velvet on the 24th. We shall see. Either way I’m getting thru October 9th. 😉
Thanks for the tour. Look forward to the spring 2023 updates. Happy Boat’N
Joe Anthony!!! lol! Love it!
Subscribed and liked. Thanks for the leg work. Happy Boat’N
What a great video. Thanks Brian. My homeboys doing some homework! I love it Hope to see ya soon.
@@levithompson8722 Thanks Levi! Hopefully we meet up on a trip sooner than later
From Redside Association Post on Facebook, any have further info:
For Middle Fork boaters:
Ramshorn and Spike Creek blew out again last night. There is also a new blow out just upstream from Ramshorn. It sounds like there are at least three new log jams. There is a new log jam at Ramshorn, a new one at Spike Creek and a new one between Velvet and Boy Scout. There may also be more issues upstream and/or downstream from there. The river is very muddy coming into Ramshorn too.
The river is running thick mud and may continue to run muddy for a while.
The bridge at Ramshorn has been removed from the river and is above the high water mark for the winter. It will be removed from the wilderness next spring.
Stay safe!!
Thanks for the update! Looks like I may have to do another hike in there!
Great video Brian. The power of fire and water is well evidenced on the Middle Fork.
thanks Tim! You're absolutely right, I'm always amazed at the changes that can be brought about because of fire and water.
Hello Tim: I miss listening to your geology talks on MFK Hope your doin well. Are you still doin black pdr target or hunting.
@@danbentsen Hi Dan! I'm still doing geology talks but no black pdr hunting, just a little target shooting. I hope you are well. I miss working with you on the MF.
Wowza!!! Thanks for doing this - hadn’t heard!
This is most excellent work! Thank you for taking the time and effort to share. Well done video. Can't wait to see more! Hope you had an excellent trip.
We hiked to Ramshorn on September 18 and there was a log jam blocking the current by the rock cliff on the left. The Ramshorn pack bridge was on river right, somewhat mangled.
That carved out creek is a good spot to look for arrowheads:)
Yeah you're probably right! We were kind of keeping our eye out for any gold lol
I love the scenery! Awesome Video!
Well done Olson. Thanks for the tour.
Thanks Jason! Good thing for video editing cause I don't always talk so good 😂
It's amazing what has happened.......we rafted it at 5' in June. I went over Velvet sideways in my 15' raft and was tossed, but the raft stayed upright, now it looks like a kayak would have trouble squeezing through lol! Hopefully everything gets washed next spring.
Yeah, it'll be interesting to see what happens!
Thanks for sharing! Gonna be interesting to see how it changes with next year’s run off.
Yeah, I'm excited to see what/if anything changes come next spring or with some fall storms. Will definitely do another video come next year and compare the differences.
@@thewhitewaterstate - yessss! I am so excited for video part II
I thank you very much for a great video and commentary! We, 2 of us launch in a few days from the top. Really appreciate your sharing this. I hear efforts will be made to remove the bridge this Thursday and Friday. We launch Fri and hope to get some pics. Thunderstorms in Donnelly tonight and moving east , so... we will report back after the 21st. Thanks for the video
Awesome! I hope you have a great trip! I hadn't heard about the bridge removal, it'll be cool to see if they get it out and how they get it out.
Aaron - any updates?!
Thanks for sharing. We are going late September, this was very helpful.
That's awesome! I'm glad it helped. We're also going late September. I think it's still pretty dynamic in there and if we get some storms in September things could definitely change, only time will tell. If we do get some rain I might hike back in there in a few weeks a check it out again. But if I do I'll take some more video.
Brian - thanks for doing this. Six of us are planning to go off the top on September 21st. It looks like from your video there is a longer portage around ramshorn and the log jam immediately downstream, a pull over log in a right channel within hells half mile, and a portage around velvet. Would you agree if all things stay the same from when you went down? Any further jams reported downstream of velvet?
@@danielmurrer575 No problem! Yeah I'd agree with that for the most part. You might not have to portage the two jog jams at ramshorn it depends on what type/size boats you're taking (kayaks and small rafts might not have to portage). The pull over log in the right channel is right at the Spike Creek Blowout just above Velvet. Velvet will likely be a portage for anything but a skilled kayaker.
There aren't any other log jams we've heard about below Velvet but things could've changed since we were there. We're launching from the top Sept 26 and are planning on scouting all of those things from Ramshorn to Velvet again but if things haven't changed it should be very similar to what you described. We're using this hike as a baseline of conditions while anticipating things will change and acting accordingly. Hope you have an awesome trip! And if we get some storms rolling through, I might go hike it again and I'll make a new video.
@@thewhitewaterstate appreciate the help thanks, dan
Well done. Thank you!
Glad you liked it!
So fascinating to see. Thank you for putting this video together. I’ve got a June 10th permit for 2023, I’m hoping you’re right and most of those logs wash out. Any plans to hike down end of May?
Yeah I'd like to hike in and check it out when the water is a little higher or maybe fingers crossed we can pick up a cancellation permit like last year.
After your hike to the blowouts, are you reconsidering launching from Boundary at the end of the month. I am launching on the 19th of September but haven’t decided whether we fly or launch from boundary. Smallest raft I own is a 14 foot Avon. Thanks for your report!
We are still going to launch from Boundary but we will be a smaller group with a few kayaks (hardshell's and IKs) and maybe one or two small paddle rafts (10ft or 13ft). We aren't planning on taking any oar frames. There's a chance that if the water drops more that we'd have to portage both log jams at Ramshorn and Velvet. We'll be doing a smaller, light self-support style trip. Things may still change between now and then, logs shifting or maybe some storms coming in and the potential for the creeks to go again or new ones could blow out, so we're kind of playing it day by day at this point. But the plan is to go light from Boundary, we personally wouldn't go from Boundary right now with oar framed boats loaded like a typical Middle Fork trip.
@@thewhitewaterstate Thanks! Have a great trip!!
Thankyou!!
The river spiked at almost 2.1 might wanna take another look. I’m launching October 9th so if you get the chance to post again that would be great.
yeah definitely been some rain recently. If I make it back up before we launch Sept 26th I'll take some more video.
@@thewhitewaterstate for sure. I’m launching on the main on the 26th but might go up and hike to velvet on the 24th. We shall see. Either way I’m getting thru October 9th. 😉