Even from the beginning of this i think you can see how down, depressed and worn out billy is, obviously with the death of his mother, and divorcing his wife had a massive impact on him! I hate seeing him like this, but what a beautiful album adore was! Thanks Billy and the pumpkins :)
Add to that he had to fire one of his best friends from the band, and decided that he was irreplaceable, so he had to decide to change the sound of the band and go in a total different direction to get around this. Then on top of that there was the huge expectation surrounding the album due to how humongous Mellon Collie had been and they were riding the success of three back to back classic albums. Adore is one of my favourite Pumpkins albums, mainly because they did go in a different direction and didn't try to replace or imitate Jimmy. They adapted and came up with something new. It was only when Mike Byrne joined that the Pumpkins had a drummer who could resemble anything close to what Jimmy laid out, and I always felt Mike never got the credit he deserved for his playing on Oceania. Furthermore given that he was replaced by Tommy Lee on the next album who's input creatively was very a then b then c.
Really like this. I guess it didn't sell because people wanted a more upbeat, hard rock sound. But the music is so lyrical. And the band still liked each other. D'arcy was irritated about how long they had to be in LA. I see the beginning of her frustration. But Adore is a great album. Machina is my favorite. And I think that Zwan Mary....Sea was a wonderfulthing. They did the whole album in song order in Atlanta. Loved it. New stuff can never be like the old stuff, but Oceania has 7 good songs.
Machina and Adore are my favorites too! I think Billy’s songwriting just got better over period of time starting with Mellon Collie (Gish and Siamese Dream are both absolutely amazing but lack a certain complexity later in their career)
Sometimes, I listen to songs like Mayonaise, Today, Dsarm, Tonight-Tonight, 1979 e others. But I have been listening to Ava Adore since it came out. Lately, I have been listening to it on weekly basis, every weekend. This album is really special to me. This album is my time machine, and with the songs playing on my earphone, I'm a time treveler roaming the streets of my neighbourhood.
i just want to thank the pumpkins for being there if feel like as i progress through life so did the pumpkins im so lucky to have had music like your to keep me sane.
discardmyfriends He lost his mom, was going thru a divorce, and also lost one of the main driving forces of the band's sound with the absence of Jimmy. It's safe to say the dude's heart was broken at this point in time.
Its 2018 Billy released Ogilala im 2017 the closest to an accoustic answer to Mcis produced by Rick Rubin. Currently Smashing Pumpkins are reunited and touring...They come to my town Los Angeles on the 30th and 31st of this month August. Its a good time to be alive
Later after this album was released Biily corgan said it was an era were the band were falling apart. In a way it was great that it happened, because this album would never have turned out the way it came out. A brilliant different direction for the band.
His guitar playing has reached a finite point is an ironic understatement considering the future from this point (in 1998). I'm so optimistic that Oceania will be so epic especially in the guitar department!
The difference between watching this doc and watching the 606 tapes doc really is significant. D'Arcy and James are subdued here, but it's Billy who really needs to be talked about. In the Adore doc Billy is absolutely, and fundamentally, broken. He's a shell, broken by the death knell of a divorce, his mother dying and the band falling apart. And make no mistake, the band was very much falling apart in 97/98. What the Pumpkins should have done at this point is take a hiatus, heal and rest, repair the Jimmy issue, and just write and write and write. But the band didn't do that. And if we're honest Adore is only saved by the passage of time where it has morphed from a bust into a genuinely sad, introspective pearl of an album. But Adore still shouldn't have happened. It should have been canned, scrapped, started over. Someone should have stepped in and convinced the band that life was more important than prematurely forcing an album out. All this said the Pumpkins were still a force of a nature when performing live around this time (See Eurockeenes performance as an example) but christ, a more sympathetic and experienced label and manager, who's sole purpose was to to protect the unity and well being of the band, would've stepped in and stopped Adore because it was simply the best and right thing to do considering the apparent well being of the remaining band members.
Billy was clearly exhausted here, but after saying he'd taken his gtr playing as far as it could go he goes on to the highly progressive and experimental M/TMoG and not long after the gtr epic Mary, Star of the Sea.
The fact is if D'arcy wasn't there to meet Billy in line at that concert, and never was invited to join him and James to get things going with the band, there would be no band as we know it. None of their songs at all would exist. Don't underestimate someone just because you don't understand their role in the big picture. Just be happy she's taken herself out of the spotlight if you don't like her so much. You're the one digging her up out of the past.
@danielkynard - She had and has more musical talent than you, she had what it took to give Billy the musical space he needed to create what he did, she had what it took to go on grueling tours over years. I doubt you have any of those qualities. She had her problems, but who cares? You're complaining about someone complaining years and years ago. Give her credit for knowing when to quit the band and for being there in the formative years, and move on. She's not around, so leave her alone.
I found the complete version on an old hard drive of mine and uploaded it. Quality is not perfect but as good as it gets probably: th-cam.com/video/ZNwdWmBoejo/w-d-xo.html
"Mellon Collie" is "The Wall", "Adore" is "The Final Cut". Overhyped vs personal and "not now" albums. Now i prefer both later albums, they aged well. But i remember the time when i bought "Adore" just on release day, and i was MASSIVELY dissapointed. As now i have still mixed feelings. It's great album, second best after SD, but it killed Pumpkins in their prime
@danielkynard - No, I'm not "defending" D'arcy, however your original statement here was illogical and out of place, and I simply pointed that out. You should probably take into consideration, with you dislike of her (kind of crazy since she hasn't even been in the band for over a decade, and these comments/attitudes she made are irrelevant to the present moment), that regardless if you like her or not, she was an essential part in the initial success and peak of the band.
@danielkynard - Your logic is idiotic. That's not at all like saying that gravity wouldn't exist if it weren't for Newton. The band wouldn't have existed without her because she was THERE. You can't change the fact that she was THERE when they recorded their first album, when they had their first real gigs, when they were first played on college radio stations, when they were first played on commercial radio, MTV, and ultimately when they were at their musical peak.
I love the pumpkins. I mean I LOVE them (Billy❤️) so much so I have a SP tattoo on my back. But I feel like I'm a failure as a fan cause I don't like this album. (I'm kinda joking it's not that big a deal)
@danielkynard - In the big picture, especially if you're talking about starving kids in Africa or something, who cares? You're talking about an interview that happened years and years ago. It really doesn't matter whether you agree with someone's attitude or not.
Even from the beginning of this i think you can see how down, depressed and worn out billy is, obviously with the death of his mother, and divorcing his wife had a massive impact on him! I hate seeing him like this, but what a beautiful album adore was! Thanks Billy and the pumpkins :)
Add to that he had to fire one of his best friends from the band, and decided that he was irreplaceable, so he had to decide to change the sound of the band and go in a total different direction to get around this. Then on top of that there was the huge expectation surrounding the album due to how humongous Mellon Collie had been and they were riding the success of three back to back classic albums.
Adore is one of my favourite Pumpkins albums, mainly because they did go in a different direction and didn't try to replace or imitate Jimmy. They adapted and came up with something new. It was only when Mike Byrne joined that the Pumpkins had a drummer who could resemble anything close to what Jimmy laid out, and I always felt Mike never got the credit he deserved for his playing on Oceania. Furthermore given that he was replaced by Tommy Lee on the next album who's input creatively was very a then b then c.
This album is actually quite beautiful
For more than 5 years this cd was almost all I listened to
fucking timeless man...
I don’t believe you don’t believe me
Sounds like you went off the deep end
I love Adore. It is a very special record to me.
What's your favorite song
Really like this. I guess it didn't sell because people wanted a more upbeat, hard rock sound. But the music is so lyrical. And the band still liked each other. D'arcy was irritated about how long they had to be in LA. I see the beginning of her frustration. But Adore is a great album. Machina is my favorite. And I think that Zwan Mary....Sea was a wonderfulthing. They did the whole album in song order in Atlanta. Loved it. New stuff can never be like the old stuff, but Oceania has 7 good songs.
Monuments is probably the closet to the best since Machina.
Big Buck so your not a fan of old stuff?
Machina and Adore are my favorites too! I think Billy’s songwriting just got better over period of time starting with Mellon Collie (Gish and Siamese Dream are both absolutely amazing but lack a certain complexity later in their career)
billy is a genius
Sometimes, I listen to songs like Mayonaise, Today, Dsarm, Tonight-Tonight, 1979 e others. But I have been listening to Ava Adore since it came out. Lately, I have been listening to it on weekly basis, every weekend. This album is really special to me. This album is my time machine, and with the songs playing on my earphone, I'm a time treveler roaming the streets of my neighbourhood.
this is one of the best albums of the 90ies. Each song on this album is Special.
This was when he lost mother . A dark time for him.
in my opinion they are like the Beatles of alternative rock.
@Vodoo Child he’s actually right
@@JamesHerbert05 Nirvana duh
@@JamesHerbert05 I actually consider sp to be the pink floyd of the 90s
i just want to thank the pumpkins for being there if feel like as i progress through life so did the pumpkins im so lucky to have had music like your to keep me sane.
Adore is one of my favorite albums of all time.
Thank you so much for posting this. Adore is probably my personal favorite from the Pumpkins (either that or Machina...).
Billy looks like he's about to break down crying
discardmyfriends He lost his mom, was going thru a divorce, and also lost one of the main driving forces of the band's sound with the absence of Jimmy. It's safe to say the dude's heart was broken at this point in time.
Robert D'Amico I agree, though I remember reading somewhere that Billy & his wife tried working it out, which they did for a while, until '99 I think.
Yea. Its very sad.but i still love this album
Robert D'Amico he was going through a divorce at this point? What year was this how old was he?
@@umraansyed he was 31 and this was 98
Love D'Arcy's cold personality and dry wit. lol
Oh my gosh! I thought I'd seen every documentary/thing of the Pumpkins. I didn't! Amazing thank you so much for sharing this!!!
Its 2018 Billy released Ogilala im 2017 the closest to an accoustic answer to Mcis produced by Rick Rubin. Currently Smashing Pumpkins are reunited and touring...They come to my town Los Angeles on the 30th and 31st of this month August. Its a good time to be alive
jon alfaro saw them at the forum on August 30th...really epic show
Later after this album was released Biily corgan said it was an era were the band were falling apart. In a way it was great that it happened, because this album would never have turned out the way it came out. A brilliant different direction for the band.
Adore is my favorite pumpkins record & overall record. this album is very smart & genius
This day deserves this record, and I love the documentaries - thanks for sharing!
His guitar playing has reached a finite point is an ironic understatement considering the future from this point (in 1998). I'm so optimistic that Oceania will be so epic especially in the guitar department!
and also because of that amotional charge, this album is so so special...
The difference between watching this doc and watching the 606 tapes doc really is significant. D'Arcy and James are subdued here, but it's Billy who really needs to be talked about. In the Adore doc Billy is absolutely, and fundamentally, broken. He's a shell, broken by the death knell of a divorce, his mother dying and the band falling apart. And make no mistake, the band was very much falling apart in 97/98.
What the Pumpkins should have done at this point is take a hiatus, heal and rest, repair the Jimmy issue, and just write and write and write. But the band didn't do that. And if we're honest Adore is only saved by the passage of time where it has morphed from a bust into a genuinely sad, introspective pearl of an album.
But Adore still shouldn't have happened. It should have been canned, scrapped, started over. Someone should have stepped in and convinced the band that life was more important than prematurely forcing an album out.
All this said the Pumpkins were still a force of a nature when performing live around this time (See Eurockeenes performance as an example) but christ, a more sympathetic and experienced label and manager, who's sole purpose was to to protect the unity and well being of the band, would've stepped in and stopped Adore because it was simply the best and right thing to do considering the apparent well being of the remaining band members.
I love this album
Love this album
1:07 - 1:39 billy should do an instrumental album, he has the best melodies, or used to.
Billy was clearly exhausted here, but after saying he'd taken his gtr playing as far as it could go he goes on to the highly progressive and experimental M/TMoG and not long after the gtr epic Mary, Star of the Sea.
aww darcy and james ^__^
The fact is if D'arcy wasn't there to meet Billy in line at that concert, and never was invited to join him and James to get things going with the band, there would be no band as we know it. None of their songs at all would exist. Don't underestimate someone just because you don't understand their role in the big picture. Just be happy she's taken herself out of the spotlight if you don't like her so much. You're the one digging her up out of the past.
10 years later, and I ask...
Where is PART TWO?
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Thanks a lot for shareeeeee!
Im a big fan, when they "broke up" I was a teenager so, i really aprecciate this video
Adore is a beautiful album and is better than machina
Spaceghost Zero nope
It looks like Billy is gonna cry!
I Too Capitalize All Words In A Sentence!
@danielkynard - She had and has more musical talent than you, she had what it took to give Billy the musical space he needed to create what he did, she had what it took to go on grueling tours over years. I doubt you have any of those qualities. She had her problems, but who cares? You're complaining about someone complaining years and years ago. Give her credit for knowing when to quit the band and for being there in the formative years, and move on. She's not around, so leave her alone.
Where was the adore ducu broadcasted at originally? Uploader, can we get a better quality 1 video upload of this? Is it possible to upload it to mega?
I think it was mtv, I remember watching it back then but can’t quite remember what Channel it was on
I found the complete version on an old hard drive of mine and uploaded it. Quality is not perfect but as good as it gets probably: th-cam.com/video/ZNwdWmBoejo/w-d-xo.html
@ Sikzmsucks23 song being played is shame but he's playing an impromptu piece as he's trying to explore a good sound for the track.
yeah so uh...ummm...part2? wtf? why can I not view it?
yeah his singin was pretty decent on that record
"Mellon Collie" is "The Wall", "Adore" is "The Final Cut". Overhyped vs personal and "not now" albums. Now i prefer both later albums, they aged well. But i remember the time when i bought "Adore" just on release day, and i was MASSIVELY dissapointed. As now i have still mixed feelings. It's great album, second best after SD, but it killed Pumpkins in their prime
Wasn't jimmy fired before this album?
@danielkynard - No, I'm not "defending" D'arcy, however your original statement here was illogical and out of place, and I simply pointed that out. You should probably take into consideration, with you dislike of her (kind of crazy since she hasn't even been in the band for over a decade, and these comments/attitudes she made are irrelevant to the present moment), that regardless if you like her or not, she was an essential part in the initial success and peak of the band.
0:50 James is so funny!
too low volume
@danielkynard - Your logic is idiotic. That's not at all like saying that gravity wouldn't exist if it weren't for Newton. The band wouldn't have existed without her because she was THERE. You can't change the fact that she was THERE when they recorded their first album, when they had their first real gigs, when they were first played on college radio stations, when they were first played on commercial radio, MTV, and ultimately when they were at their musical peak.
@SuperSparkyMark1 ill second that :)
I love the pumpkins. I mean I LOVE them (Billy❤️) so much so I have a SP tattoo on my back. But I feel like I'm a failure as a fan cause I don't like this album. (I'm kinda joking it's not that big a deal)
Billy does not play for robots!
He *
@danielkynard - In the big picture, especially if you're talking about starving kids in Africa or something, who cares? You're talking about an interview that happened years and years ago. It really doesn't matter whether you agree with someone's attitude or not.
@danielkynard - Starving children in Africa can't comprehend someone like you complaining on the internet about someone else's complaining.