In the book, Buntaro and his wife were at odds, which greatly distressed him. When they got into an argument over his suspicions of the pilot and his wife, she became angry and dared her husband to kill her. He went into a rage, and since he could not bring himself to do that, he took his sword and swung it as hard as he could into a big wooden post. It went nearly a foot deep into the hard wood. Impressive.
Dude, feudal japanese would actually lose their minds if they were introduced to the british longbow before the gun. Either a shame or a blessing that by the time the British reached them, the longbow was long replaced by the musket.
"Where's this man - this 'real man' you talked of, Ishido-san? Eh? Or men? Let him - let them all crawl out of their holes and stand in front of me - Toda Buntaro, Lord of Sakura - if any one of them's got the juice!"
@@jeffanon1772 he was a man of his time. Yes, scary. But also had honor. He was actually showing Blackthorn. There’s a lot more to learn. They ended up mutually respecting each other, but that was after a death. They both grieved together, but separate.
I found it interesting that after having beaten his wife bloody, Buntaro was honor bound to apologize to Blackthrone, not for the abuse, but for having disturbed the tranquility of his house.
The argument that could be made (Anjin-san) does not) is that it is easier to teach untrained recruits how to fire a musket through drill. Archery at this level takes years of practice.
Even more basic archery, I.e. with the English war bow/longbow took a lifetime of training to develop not only the skill but also the strength required just to draw the strong bow….and indeed is was compulsory for certain groups of people to train with the bow from a certain age onwards. Thus, even though the French armies suffered terribly from the English archer again and again over decades, they where not able to produce a comparable force. The main weapon of the early samurai was the bow. Nobody else was allowed to use and train with real warlike weapons, so when the time came, the musket was the weapon of choice to arm the peasantry due to the rather minimal training required….
This is the really relevant point, and one of the main reasons firearms proved superior on the battlefield. Anybody could be trained to shoot a musket. At that time in history, they were pretty inaccurate anyway, so you didn't need special skill to aim them. But the discipline of having 200 men firing them off, and then reloading while a second line fires, is extremely formidable. It's also intimidating, because it's really loud, and the wounds it inflicts are horrifying. It can break a cavalry charge pretty easily, by spooking the horses if nothing else.
Yes, and that argument could have been made for later. But with 500 existing archers against 100 riflemen, after Buntaro's display, there was no argument.
Hai, KansaiRobot-San. I agree with you, but there are some that prefer the new version of this scene. I will try to upload a Shogun Showdown of this in the days ahead. Arigatogozaimashita.
In what ways is this better? I am curious to understand your point of view since I personally and humbly think that the TV series version is far better, as it conveys a sense of fear and anxiety.
I was actually hoping the new series would show this scene and highlight his complete awareness and memory of his surroundings, with his ability to shoot point blank at an unseen target. They left it slightly vague in the new one.
I think what he and his wife failed to understand is that a bow only has enough power that the shooter gives it and the arrow can't fly as far as a gun round can. Human draw back and something that fires a projectile using ignition to light the powder are way way different.
@@Łukasz-d5rThat too, even when Samurai didnt use it on much numbers since they were more into tradition, militia ashigaru could be trained to master them much quicker than bow.
In the recent Shogun Blackthorne doesn’t see the Arrows until the Earthquake and he is returning home to help.Edit : it also didn’t make any sense to me I was thinking they came from somewhere else, now it makes sense.
If I wore that kimono John had, I'd get the best wifi. xD I wonder though is it coincidental or the wifi symbol actually originated from an ancient symbol in Japan or something?
Hahaha! Very funny, Yabuturtle-San. Excellent Comments: I do not know if it is an ancient symbol in Japan. If someone knows, please comment. Arigato Gozaimashita.
Shogun was the first book I've read. I like James Clavell's books. I'm going to buy other books like Tai - pan, Gai - Jin, Noble House, etc. I'm going to complete my collection.
Where has Anjin gone in the new show? He has none of the guile and intelligence from the book, I'm amazed he hasn't been boiled in a pot by Yabu already
Hahahaha! Very Funny, FourMileCircus-San. I agree 100%. Blackthorne is supposed to have had high intelligence, and as you said in another comment, they have lobotomized him. Was this deliberate on behalf of the Screenwriters and Producers? Was it to make white men look like complete idiots? It is so far from Richard Chamberlain, and the Blackthorne of Shogun, that, I am wondering why they have made him so inept. Excellent Comments. Arigatou Gozaimashita.
@@theshogunchannel I'm not sure why they would rewrite Blackthorne as he is. I know in interviews the directors have emphasised they wanted historical accuracy, and the thrust of the new series seems far more weighted towards the japanese characters. Perhaps they felt a white man in Japan would not have got to anywhere near the elevated status in that period. it doesn't explain Blackthornes lack of wits. He is a pilot and as such is clever, can read, perform complex maths, and speaks multiple languages, no fool at all. In the new series they have taken out the village being instructed to teach him to speak Japanese and because of this alone he is isolated much more, removed from the conversations, unable to interact, mocked and abused. To me Mariko seems the main role, which is maybe what they had in mind when they wrote it. After a strong start I'm now at the point where I don't want to watch any more, which is HUGELY dissapointing for someone who has read the book 8 or 9 times since he was a teenager
@@FourMileSurvival Agreed. I think the casting choice is also contributing to this. He doesn't have the same 'urgency' as Chamberlain or hint of witty intelligence. The two people who adapted the show have gutted much of the emotional high points too.
Best scene ever. Buntaro took all what was posible . He saw trough the ploy with the sake. The physical extorsion as he sat down. He know , he lost the battle. But not his honour.
Ridiculous. By the year 1600 the Japanese were arguably ahead of Europeans in musketry tactics and had been manufacturing them for fifty years. By the time depicted in this show it would have been 25 years since Nobunaga won the the battle of Nagashino by using musket volleys to defeat cavalry.
True, it may not be entirely historically accurate, but that's Hollywood. Even so, it gave us a wonderful look into Feudal Japan, and the caste system there. I agree that some liberties were taken, but this was many Westerners first introduction to Japan via Television. Still, I hope you enjoy the videos. God bless! 👍🎌
@@theshogunchannel when firearms were introduced into Japan, they did not change. They modified them to have them work in the hands of the samurai. But the design never changed.
That's right! Even the warrior monks of Enraku-ji would use musket tactics like coordinated volley fire from higher ground. Japanese armies were one of the very best in the world at the time. They had years of experience and developement during Sengoku Jidai.
The silent plea in Yoko shimada's eyes when she asked him to go look can not be matched by Anna Saiwa and the menace in the 1980's Buntaro can not be matched by Buntaro 2024
Hai, Toranaga1969-San. I agree with you 100%. I am currently editing The Buntaro Archery Scene for both, and you are so right. It should be uploaded in a couple of days. Excellent comments. Arigatogozaimashita.
@@theshogunchannel Добра тебе и твоей семье! Спасибо за твой труд в создании канала! Но прошу тебя, не называй меня братом. Другом, соседом и т.д. можно. Я русский. Если это не родственная связь, то стать братом это очень непросто. Спасти жизнь, спасти семью... только такие события.
Mariko speaks so beautifully, inspiring. Today I will perform my specialty, the sushi-burrito, ichiban. I'd like to try a new one, deep fried oyster roll; and I will name it The Mariko. She inspired me. I'm not a blackthorne, my name is blackmouth and I never disappoint a guest's mouth. Ichiban 🙏
This version of this scene is a bit tamer then what happens in the novel, but the 2024 version takes it a bit too far and makes Blackthorne more of a buffoon. in the novel, there's a cultural clash due to the fact that both Buntaro and Mariko are vegetarians, the different dining and hospitality customs between two cultures, and language barrier that causes some more non-violent minor chaos or misunderstandings as more sake is consumed. But both novel and 1980 version both managed to keep Buntaro and Blackthorne treating each other with some degree of civility. In the 2024 version, Buntaro is openly mocking Blackthorne even though he is a guest at Blackthorne's house, and Blackthorne's like completely oblivious. Was this authentic Japanese custom to mock your host? I won't go into the details on the conversations about Mariko's family history, both 1980 and 2024 sort of condensed this part.
Hai, ALwinDigital-San. Great Comments. Also, Buntaro 2024 shoots his 2 arrows with Mariko 2024 clearly in the way, almost as if, it doesn't matter if she gets hit by the arrow: it won't matter. Arigatou Gozaimashita.
@@theshogunchannel Yes, that was also stupid because in the novel, he tragically was in love with her deep down but she was not having it. So shooting at her contradicts this. Again, the screenwriters for this version are leaving quality for cool shots. It's holding this version from being truly great.
@@MarklovesAngels you can definitely feel that in the 2024 show Buntaro still tragically loves Mariko, and I felt like him shooting at her with her standing completely still was supposed to prove that Buntaro's skill is unmatched even while drunk, and even Mariko knows this. I do agree they took it too far to make it more dramatic.
I just got to this part of the 2024 version. It was strange to see the newer version rely on what is now a cheap cliché slow-motion VFX "oh look how close it gets to _____'s face" to try and up the tension. This version just relied on Shimada's acting.
not at all...here Blackthorne is already coming to terms with japanese culture. In the 2024 it is already sixth episode and still a whinning gaijin.....(sigh)
@@kansairobot2015 you hit it on the head. Both in this series and in the novel, Blackthorne very quickly locks into Japanese culture because he not only sees the wisdom of it (especially given that he's kind of stuck there) but knows what from his own culture will dovetail, e.g. telling Buntaro he'll leave the arrows in the post, presenting the Lady Ochiba with a perfect camellia on her birthday, et al.
In the book, Buntaro and his wife were at odds, which greatly distressed him. When they got into an argument over his suspicions of the pilot and his wife, she became angry and dared her husband to kill her. He went into a rage, and since he could not bring himself to do that, he took his sword and swung it as hard as he could into a big wooden post. It went nearly a foot deep into the hard wood. Impressive.
She called him a coward . She said he had forgot the Limits of his service. And she was wrong.
"It ain't braggin' if you can do it." -Yogi Berra
Anjij-san's kimono is covered in the Wi-Fi symbol 😅
Hai, Neofluxmachina-San. You are correct! Several subscribers have pointed this out. Was it by chance, or was it planned? Arigatogozaimashita.
😂😂Was just wondering if there was a clothing line whose name was WiFi
@@NouahOgar Hai! Haha! Arigatou Gozaimashita.
Foreshadowing even in 1980s.🤣
This was made way before WIFI even existed.
Anjin: You know, my people were once master archers.
@@bvbxiong5791 200lb*
European bow is hard as fuck.
longbowmen were so OP
Dude, feudal japanese would actually lose their minds if they were introduced to the british longbow before the gun. Either a shame or a blessing that by the time the British reached them, the longbow was long replaced by the musket.
I saw this show as a kid on TV after I read the book. This is the scene I remember the best.
"Where's this man - this 'real man' you talked of, Ishido-san? Eh? Or men? Let him - let them all crawl out of their holes and stand in front of me - Toda Buntaro, Lord of Sakura - if any one of them's got the juice!"
"My husband say... do not test me."
Yeah. He hated Blackthornes guts. Knew Anjin and Mariko were getting it on. Still, a great warrior
I agree. He is telling Anjin "Don't even think of poking my wife".
@@jmstowe Excellent point. The warning went unheeded of course
I've read the book twice. Buntaro is one scary dude.
VERY scary dude....🥶
What Buntaro is saying to Anjin "Don't even think of poking my wife".
@@jeffanon1772 he was a man of his time. Yes, scary. But also had honor. He was actually showing Blackthorn. There’s a lot more to learn. They ended up mutually respecting each other, but that was after a death. They both grieved together, but separate.
I found it interesting that after having beaten his wife bloody, Buntaro was honor bound to apologize to Blackthrone, not for the abuse, but for having disturbed the tranquility of his house.
They all are, especially Yabu.
The argument that could be made (Anjin-san) does not) is that it is easier to teach untrained recruits how to fire a musket through drill. Archery at this level takes years of practice.
Excellent point! God bless! 👍
Even more basic archery, I.e. with the English war bow/longbow took a lifetime of training to develop not only the skill but also the strength required just to draw the strong bow….and indeed is was compulsory for certain groups of people to train with the bow from a certain age onwards. Thus, even though the French armies suffered terribly from the English archer again and again over decades, they where not able to produce a comparable force.
The main weapon of the early samurai was the bow. Nobody else was allowed to use and train with real warlike weapons, so when the time came, the musket was the weapon of choice to arm the peasantry due to the rather minimal training required….
This is the really relevant point, and one of the main reasons firearms proved superior on the battlefield. Anybody could be trained to shoot a musket. At that time in history, they were pretty inaccurate anyway, so you didn't need special skill to aim them. But the discipline of having 200 men firing them off, and then reloading while a second line fires, is extremely formidable. It's also intimidating, because it's really loud, and the wounds it inflicts are horrifying. It can break a cavalry charge pretty easily, by spooking the horses if nothing else.
Yes, and that argument could have been made for later. But with 500 existing archers against 100 riflemen, after Buntaro's display, there was no argument.
@@johannesmarg6903 Western archery was in no way inferior to Japanese archery. But that is beside the point.
That's a bad man with that bow! He probably could knock a flea off a gnats rear end at 100 paces, and moving!
Love the wireless kimono.
Hahaha! Hai, Etobaru-San. Good one: Now, we have to try and determine if it was put in intentionally or just consequence. Arigatou Gozaimashita.
In this episode, Buntaro is uncivilized while Anjin is gracious. Certainly Mariko noticed
Blackthorrne is wearing a WiFi signal
Hai, Leo-San. He definitely is. Fascinating, isn't it? Arigatogozaimashita.
Baka
Why Baka, CoachChot-San. Baka means "stupid" in Japanese.@@coachChot8966
@@coachChot8966 iye, gomen-neh? Baka mitai na!
This is more intense in TV series well done
Sometimes, arrogance is warrented.
The wifi kimono is ahead of its time!😁
Hai, ENicole-San. Now, we have to try to figure out if it was known and planned, or just a "coincidence." Fun comment. Arigatogozaimashita. 👍
This wins the comments as now I can’t un-see the WiFi kimono … 😅
Man... this scene is much better in this version than in the current one!
Hai, KansaiRobot-San. I agree with you, but there are some that prefer the new version of this scene. I will try to upload a Shogun Showdown of this in the days ahead. Arigatogozaimashita.
In what ways is this better? I am curious to understand your point of view since I personally and humbly think that the TV series version is far better, as it conveys a sense of fear and anxiety.
What are you talking bro, the new buntaro is scary shit. This one is just showing off.
I was actually hoping the new series would show this scene and highlight his complete awareness and memory of his surroundings, with his ability to shoot point blank at an unseen target. They left it slightly vague in the new one.
@@teknoid5878haha scary as shit but badass warrior who is unintentionally halarious
Rodriges tell Blackthorne, that they good at archery :)
Yea wifi symbol ahead of his time
Lord Buntaro looks so mean. But he sure can shoot an arrow.
A better ending might have been to find that Toranaga was found pinned to the post. The body left in place to remind Anjin of a master archer.
game recognize game
I think what he and his wife failed to understand is that a bow only has enough power that the shooter gives it and the arrow can't fly as far as a gun round can. Human draw back and something that fires a projectile using ignition to light the powder are way way different.
Not the guy you want to be fooling around with his ol' lady.
The type of musket that was in Japan at the time the bow and arrow was faster. The only time the gun was effective was a mass volley
You dont need a lifetime to master a musket.
@@Łukasz-d5rThat too, even when Samurai didnt use it on much numbers since they were more into tradition, militia ashigaru could be trained to master them much quicker than bow.
In the recent Shogun Blackthorne doesn’t see the Arrows until the Earthquake and he is returning home to help.Edit : it also didn’t make any sense to me I was thinking they came from somewhere else, now it makes sense.
お邪魔します！高松英郎さんすね✌柔道一直線！あばら屋の先生😁外国人受けしそうな面構えすよね！侍顔！声がね～高いかな😁
いずれにせよ高松英郎さん！渋い！まさに侍サムライ！🎉
高松英夫に関する素晴らしいコメントと情報をありがとうございます。私は彼のことを知りませんでした。共有していただきありがとうございます。😃👍
@@theshogunchannel
こちらこそ恐縮です✌柔道一直線と言う柔道を題材にしたテレビドラマがありまして私がガキの頃人気ありました✌主人公の高校生に地獄車と言う柔道の必殺技を伝授する鬼師範代役が高松英郎さんです！TH-camで柔道一直線と検索すれば出てきます✌当時東京オリンピックの時代ゆえ柔道一直線大変人気だったのだと思います✌
@@athlete-w9w これは素晴らしい情報です。誰もがこの恩恵を受けます。どうもありがとう。鬼師範役の高松英夫をTH-camで調べてみます。素晴らしい一日をお過ごしください。ありがとうございました。👍🏆
If I wore that kimono John had, I'd get the best wifi. xD
I wonder though is it coincidental or the wifi symbol actually originated from an ancient symbol in Japan or something?
Hahaha! Very funny, Yabuturtle-San. Excellent Comments: I do not know if it is an ancient symbol in Japan. If someone knows, please comment. Arigato Gozaimashita.
Shogun was the first book I've read. I like James Clavell's books. I'm going to buy other books like Tai - pan, Gai - Jin, Noble House, etc. I'm going to complete my collection.
I read all of Clavell's book and they were excellent!
@Catmom2004 I agree. I'm reading Shogun again and go for the other books right after after.
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Where has Anjin gone in the new show? He has none of the guile and intelligence from the book, I'm amazed he hasn't been boiled in a pot by Yabu already
Hahahaha! Very Funny, FourMileCircus-San. I agree 100%. Blackthorne is supposed to have had high intelligence, and as you said in another comment, they have lobotomized him. Was this deliberate on behalf of the Screenwriters and Producers? Was it to make white men look like complete idiots? It is so far from Richard Chamberlain, and the Blackthorne of Shogun, that, I am wondering why they have made him so inept. Excellent Comments. Arigatou Gozaimashita.
@@theshogunchannel I'm not sure why they would rewrite Blackthorne as he is. I know in interviews the directors have emphasised they wanted historical accuracy, and the thrust of the new series seems far more weighted towards the japanese characters. Perhaps they felt a white man in Japan would not have got to anywhere near the elevated status in that period. it doesn't explain Blackthornes lack of wits. He is a pilot and as such is clever, can read, perform complex maths, and speaks multiple languages, no fool at all. In the new series they have taken out the village being instructed to teach him to speak Japanese and because of this alone he is isolated much more, removed from the conversations, unable to interact, mocked and abused. To me Mariko seems the main role, which is maybe what they had in mind when they wrote it. After a strong start I'm now at the point where I don't want to watch any more, which is HUGELY dissapointing for someone who has read the book 8 or 9 times since he was a teenager
@@FourMileSurvival Agreed. I think the casting choice is also contributing to this. He doesn't have the same 'urgency' as Chamberlain or hint of witty intelligence. The two people who adapted the show have gutted much of the emotional high points too.
Best scene ever. Buntaro took all what was posible . He saw trough the ploy with the sake. The physical extorsion as he sat down. He know , he lost the battle. But not his honour.
Ridiculous. By the year 1600 the Japanese were arguably ahead of Europeans in musketry tactics and had been manufacturing them for fifty years. By the time depicted in this show it would have been 25 years since Nobunaga won the the battle of Nagashino by using musket volleys to defeat cavalry.
True, it may not be entirely historically accurate, but that's Hollywood. Even so, it gave us a wonderful look into Feudal Japan, and the caste system there. I agree that some liberties were taken, but this was many Westerners first introduction to Japan via Television. Still, I hope you enjoy the videos. God bless! 👍🎌
@@theshogunchannel when firearms were introduced into Japan, they did not change. They modified them to have them work in the hands of the samurai. But the design never changed.
The rewriting of history to white center everything!
That's right! Even the warrior monks of Enraku-ji would use musket tactics like coordinated volley fire from higher ground.
Japanese armies were one of the very best in the world at the time. They had years of experience and developement during Sengoku Jidai.
@@koltoharcos They did manufacture their own versions of firearms.
The remake hits kinda different.
O que o cara do planeta dos macacos faz no japao
The silent plea in Yoko shimada's eyes when she asked him to go look can not be matched by Anna Saiwa and the menace in the 1980's Buntaro can not be matched by Buntaro 2024
Hai, Toranaga1969-San. I agree with you 100%. I am currently editing The Buntaro Archery Scene for both, and you are so right. It should be uploaded in a couple of days. Excellent comments. Arigatogozaimashita.
Sawai was terribly robotic as Mariko, on the other hand Yoko Shimada in the 1980 miniseries was excellent.
Да, хоть и урод, но мастер-лучник. Признание мастерства очевидное решение.
Да, Бунтаро был мастером-лучником, и Анджин-Сан не мог этого отрицать, даже если бы захотел. Благословений тебе, Брат!
@@theshogunchannel Добра тебе и твоей семье! Спасибо за твой труд в создании канала! Но прошу тебя, не называй меня братом. Другом, соседом и т.д. можно. Я русский. Если это не родственная связь, то стать братом это очень непросто. Спасти жизнь, спасти семью... только такие события.
Удачи и вам.@@OldPadavan
Mariko speaks so beautifully, inspiring. Today I will perform my specialty, the sushi-burrito, ichiban. I'd like to try a new one, deep fried oyster roll; and I will name it The Mariko. She inspired me. I'm not a blackthorne, my name is blackmouth and I never disappoint a guest's mouth. Ichiban 🙏
Domo🕊🌷💝🙏
Jesus last sake in Asia before pushing back to Jerusalem...😅😅😅
Andrew Tate Sama 😎😎
This version of this scene is a bit tamer then what happens in the novel, but the 2024 version takes it a bit too far and makes Blackthorne more of a buffoon.
in the novel, there's a cultural clash due to the fact that both Buntaro and Mariko are vegetarians, the different dining and hospitality customs between two cultures, and language barrier that causes some more non-violent minor chaos or misunderstandings as more sake is consumed. But both novel and 1980 version both managed to keep Buntaro and Blackthorne treating each other with some degree of civility.
In the 2024 version, Buntaro is openly mocking Blackthorne even though he is a guest at Blackthorne's house, and Blackthorne's like completely oblivious. Was this authentic Japanese custom to mock your host?
I won't go into the details on the conversations about Mariko's family history, both 1980 and 2024 sort of condensed this part.
Hai, ALwinDigital-San. Great Comments. Also, Buntaro 2024 shoots his 2 arrows with Mariko 2024 clearly in the way, almost as if, it doesn't matter if she gets hit by the arrow: it won't matter. Arigatou Gozaimashita.
@@theshogunchannel Yes, that was also stupid because in the novel, he tragically was in love with her deep down but she was not having it. So shooting at her contradicts this. Again, the screenwriters for this version are leaving quality for cool shots. It's holding this version from being truly great.
The writers for the 2024 version were kind of stupid that way. xD
@@MarklovesAngels you can definitely feel that in the 2024 show Buntaro still tragically loves Mariko, and I felt like him shooting at her with her standing completely still was supposed to prove that Buntaro's skill is unmatched even while drunk, and even Mariko knows this. I do agree they took it too far to make it more dramatic.
They're not vegetarians--they eat seafood in the novel.
This is original scene which is way better then new shogun which copied this scene and made it crap
I just got to this part of the 2024 version. It was strange to see the newer version rely on what is now a cheap cliché slow-motion VFX "oh look how close it gets to _____'s face" to try and up the tension. This version just relied on Shimada's acting.
The 2024 version was done better.
Do you mean with Buntaro 2024 almost hitting Mariko 2024 with both of his arrows and CGI?
Yes, it was very intense the narative was more realistic, gives reason for Buntaro hitting her afterwards.
not at all...here Blackthorne is already coming to terms with japanese culture. In the 2024 it is already sixth episode and still a whinning gaijin.....(sigh)
@@kansairobot2015 you hit it on the head. Both in this series and in the novel, Blackthorne very quickly locks into Japanese culture because he not only sees the wisdom of it (especially given that he's kind of stuck there) but knows what from his own culture will dovetail, e.g. telling Buntaro he'll leave the arrows in the post, presenting the Lady Ochiba with a perfect camellia on her birthday, et al.