Just to prevent any more comments like this: Yes i know that i made a mistake in labelling Iguanodon etc as 'Species' and not 'Genus'. That was an error.
Using one model for both Utahraptor and Velociraptor is like using one model for a cloud leopard and a cave lion. Velociraptor doesn't even have the same head shape as Utahraptor.
Even Walking with Dinosaurs put more effort into their reskinned models. The Quetzalcoatlus has an altered head despite being a reskinned Ornithocheirus.
It's especially painful after Prehistoric Planet where we got several different raptor species, including a velociraptor and where the difference between them is clearly visible.
The only redeeming part was when Stephen Fry said "It's Fryin' time" and started frying all over the poorly-rendered dinosaurs. Truly one of the documentaries ever made.
Hey, that's me at 4:52 doing the claw stuff. Unfortunately, these experiments were already planned, built, and set up exactly how you see them without any input from us experts prior to filming, and it was mainly a scripted sequence, we did try and correct things as we went or play down some of the more severe mistakes, but ultimately it's up to what the production company want in the end...
If the creators don't care about dinosaurs, then why the F*CK did they make it!? I absolutely agree with you getting upset when something you love gets screwed up. Seeing dinos treated with no respect really boils my blood too.
stuff on commercial tv is mainly just intellect free filler between whats really important...car and travel adverts. the programmes are not really the product, WE are. braindead consumers sold to advertisers. not saying the bbc is better. unless you like being forced to pay directly for neoliberalist propaganda!
What annoys me is that just because Stephen Fry has his name attached to it, trusting and oblivious folks will just lap it up and walk away with the wrong impressions of those animals. Stephen Fry said it, so it must be true, right?
Common folk wouldn't differentiate between accurate amount of spikes on a Stegosaurus if you put it on a "spot 10 differences" image, HELL even I didn't knew that before I watched this vid and I'm friends with a Paleontologist. A doc with such criminal lack of f..cks given to science really is damage to science, but (un)fortunately JP/JW/65 fandom and common laymen just don't care about accuracy, you can't damage sth already broken lol... If this was made with Prehistoric Planet CGI then I would be scared cause then it would be a blockbuster, and the molten-hot hate poured from every paleontologist would simply be dismissed the same as complaints on those other movies I mentioned.
I’m actually surprised we got Prehistoric Planet in 2022 and then the next dinosaur documentary is this- Just goes to prove how far we’re actually moving as a species-
@@tri-clawgaming7682 we are very doomed indeed, and it’s a shame we got a breathe of fresh air with Prehistoric Planet and then we just got dragged down under with Dinosaur with Stephen Fry
I can't wait to watch your retrospective reviews of walking with dinosaurs, beasts, monsters, and prehistoric Park as they're some of my all favourite documentaries of prehistoric animals and were a big part of my childhood 😄
@@tri-clawgaming7682 You should also do the 2003 Discovery Channel(when it was good)Dinosaur Planet with Christian Slater and BBC's 2011 Planet Dinosaur with John Hurt(one of my favourites).
@@tri-clawgaming7682 Oh and the BBC 02/03 sequel to WWD with Nigel Marven and called Chased By Dinosaurs ,which included the episodes The Giant Claw and Land of Giants.
so about the cgi (im not defending it. it's horrible i know ive only watched episode one but yeah) the cgi is basically done in a game engine aka unreal engine so the whole stuff with model "theft" is more else they found some random assets on a free model website and used it i would be suprised also the whole stunt thing i just think this is the new monsters ressurcted because it pulls the same stuff it's crazy
Yeah i know that this is using some new technology, and like i said in episode 1, poor CGI can be forgiven if the facts, information and yest of the show is good quality. Unfortunatly when all of it is crap, then the bad CGI, stolen models etc, just add to the badness
@@tri-clawgaming7682 i 100% agree but it's not really "new technology" IT'S A LITERAL GAME ENGINE THEY'RE USING A GAME ENGINE FOR A DOCUMENTARY LIKE WHAT?! anyway i have watched episode one and im currently watching this review and i can tell this is just monsters ressurcted from The Discorvery channel so yeah
@@tri-clawgaming7682 that would be both hilarious and awful at the same time. The Utahraptor model they used is not too bad, it just needs more detail and better animation
@@vaya-dragon1998 Yeah, the utahraptor model is mostly accurate. A few small things wrong but overall it gets a pass. Not as velociraptor, though... it doesn't look right at all. Probably because it's, you know, not a velociraptor model.
I wouldn't say that one chief. This documentary is quite bad with a lot of outdated information, but it doesn't outright lie the same way that JFC does.
@@BigAl2-u7e Pangea in the Jurassic? Allosaurus using its head like a hatchet? Velociraptor being a smaller version of Utahraptor? Diplodocus weighing 40 tonnes? Allosaurus weighing 15 tonnes? This is exactly the same as JFC.
@@edgeofsevnteen Cap. You are so wrong that it's not even funny. JFC was hot garbage since its creation. It wasn't even remotely accurate even when it was created.
They don't even stick with the plot of the show. The show was presented as if Stephen Fry actually time travelled to the Mesozoic and observed the wildlife. Then, it shows Stephen Fry walking right up to a predator and it doesn't even register his presence. You'd think an actual animal would know when a human was right next to it.
@@tri-clawgaming7682 The only reason for limitations is if they didn't get enough money, which shows how Channel 5 didn't actually care about this show. Chased by Dinosaurs did the same concept this show attempted but better 21 years ago.
Great critique = although one minor point (8:07) is that Iguanodon is not a species. It is a genus containing multiple species (Iguanodon bernissartensis, Iguanodon galvensis + several dubious spp.). As an analogy, Panthera is not a species, but a genus. The lion (Panthera leo) is a species; the tiger (Panthera tigris) is a species; the leopard (Panthera pardus) all within genus Panthera.
Yeah someone else has stated this and yeah i got it wrong. Im so used to considered individual dinosaurs as species rather than Genus. So yeah i got that wrong lol.
Also with the simplifying thing, I felt like they're aiming the show for kids. Which is way worse considering with the misinformation and the claims they are making!
I remember watching this with my mum and cringing so hard at all the incorrect facts and them blatantly contradicting themselves. As well as the goofy CGI dinosaurs where 90% of them were straight up ripped from dinosaur games. But if it makes you feel any better, at least we meet due to have some actually good quality dinosaur documentaries this year
found this video through recommended feed, great video talking about this so called documentary, the fact we have prehistoric planet before this is amazing to me, how can channel 5 and Stephen fry put their names to this abomination. also googling dinosaur with Stephen fry you'll see that the british media are pushing it as this "ground breaking" documentary when in reality its a farse like you stated in your video. will definitely be subbing and checking out your series. keep up the great work :)
This "documentary" is the equivalent of those rip-off/B-movies the Asylum does. It seems that the developers saw the greatness of Prehistoric Planet, and just rushed this series and were saying like: *OH LOOK GUYS, WE ALSO DO DINOSAURS TOO*
I had all the same complaints with the claw test. I do think they probably used their claw primarily for gripping prey, but that test wasn't doing the slashing hypothesis justice at all. Blunt claw, nothing to hold the leather in place, and not to mention they tried to do a slash in one move when it's possible they could've hooked the claw in FIRST and then pulled down, like a cassowary does.
About the ark models the show makers might not have robbed the models from the game itself. The devs of ark survival evolved made a tweet about that the models are copyrighted. BUT there's many TH-cam channels that rip-off the ark models and make green screens of the ark models and their animations that are just titled for example: Giganotosaurus running green screen. And i don't think that channel 5 even know what ark is.
@@tri-clawgaming7682 Anything someone creates is by default copyrighted, you've got to state otherwise for people to be allowed to take your content. So usually you don't really need a source to say "Yeah, this artists' work is copyrighted." More so you need a source for the opposite statement. If you make a dinosaur model, that dinosaur model is yours, in general, and people cannot take it nor directly copy it for their own monetary gain.
7:59 just though I’d point this out with ur text on screen, sauropods aren’t a family, not is sauropod very clear whether your talking about sauropdomorpha or sauropoda itself. Another thing, the examples you’ve used for species are genera names, a better example is for say Velociraptor, V. Mongoliensis rather than just velociraptor. I might not have explained that very well bc my typing skills are abysmal but uh, yea
There was another experiment like this one used in The Truth About Deadly Dinosaurs. In that one it’s better because they test the claw, which is properly shaped and sharp, on a slab of meat. I think they also test the claw on the another same slab of meat but with alligator skin over it. It was to prove if raptor claws could actually tear and slash prey like in the movies. Turns out, it wasn’t capable of that.
Please make review or retrospective video on Prehistoric Planet. Which the creators of that show actually showed alot of passion towards what they were doing.
14:05 Didnt Chrichton also cited Gregory S Paul's proposition that Deinonychus was considered to be a subspecies of Velociraptor and thus was supposed to be Velociraptor Antirhopus? I think they even mention this in the book once or twice
@@gregcervantes9268 I can already say that it's decent. It's outdated and the acting is pretty cheesy but it's not horribly inaccurate. The newer Dino Dana is more scientifically accurate though.
ark survival evolved models should never be used for a dinosaur documentary cause in the games lore it says they are not accurate and were genetically changed for the survivors to use. One of the characters says in a collectable note that the megalodons act like dogs when tamed and taming the more deadlier creatures shouldn't be tamable at all.
I've always been a huge fan of dinosaurs since a kid. I spent 5 minutes watching Stephen Fry's Dinosaur before I felt completely annoyed and literally googled is this the worst dinosaur documentary ever, thankfully you have explained it all in great detail.
this episode was definitely better than the first, but still not great. Not that bad... but it didnt really talk about much, and definitely nothing new. I will say, this is like shit 'The Truth About Killer Dinosaurs'. They showed that the raptor claws was worse at slashing than puncturing, using a really well built replica of a raptor claw, toe and foot. In hindsight, I didnt think of how harmful some of it could be to what the layman thinks.
Honestly I kind of dislike the test because they showed the slash being done in one motion, but it could be more like a cassowary where it's stab first then yank downward. Cassowaries have blunt claws, but they are able to gut things because of the fact they stab BEFORE pulling down. It is possible a raptor could've done the same, though honestly I do think they probably just used their claws like talons to grip onto prey. Still, gotta test everything properly.
@@catpoke9557 the shape is quite different though. Cassowary claws are shape like knives whilst a raptors claws are more like meat hooks, like with cats or birds of prey
@@flightlesslord2688 it doesn't really matter, because either way testing only one motion when there's multiple methods animals can employ to slash things open is kind of unfair
You should do/watch the 2003 Discovery Channel(when it was good) series Dinosaur Planet with Christian Slater(Little Das episode). BBC's 2011 Planet Dinosaur with John Hurt(one of my favourites). And the BBC 02/03 sequel to WWD with Nigel Marven and called Chased By Dinosaurs ,which included the episodes The Giant Claw and Land of Giants.
Wait so- with the raptor claw “experiment” what were they trying to prove? I don’t think it was mentioned. Was it velociraptor’s claw vs utahraptor’s? Or was it trying to compare the actual raptor killing claw use (RPR) vs the outdated slicing/slashing weapon idea? EDIT: I also recommend giving Dead Sound’s Dinosauria a look if youre craving a narrative-driven docuseries created out of passion and genuine love for the subject. I think Dinosauria ranks higher for me than Prehistoric Planet, truthfully.
@@tri-clawgaming7682 ugh! James Gurney’s dinotopia art is still so incredible even if not up to todays realism. He did those creatures justice in a time when Jurassic Park was still so many peoples only experience with dinosaurs. Very different from Dinosauria’s docuseries angle, but still fun to look back on
Jurassic Fight Club had better CGI, and the dromaeosaurs had stiff(ish) tails. I guess the willingness to give them feathers makes this documentary slightly better than JFC.
The raptors swapping their claws around like they are on an episode of Keeping up with the Kardashians... pmsl!!! The "Planet Dinosaur" documentary for the BBC, narrated by the late John Hurt, would be good to review if you are taking suggestions. :)
@Tri-Claw Gaming Unfortunately for you, according to IMDB, there's two episodes after this one. Fortunately for you: 1. If you don't want to watch them, I don't think you have to, and 2. They may be the last episodes for all we know
@@tri-clawgaming7682 The only way it gets another season is if it gets enough viewers and positive feedback. I just hope it doesn't see the light of day again.
What I find refreshing is that you point out the wording of such Paleo-Docs. Paleontology is a realm that is filled with interpretations and speculations. However, a number of Paleo-themed documentaries tried to claimed a speculation as fact, which is sometimes misleading. Speaking of JP/JW raptors. As a big fan of the franchise, I know some fans tried to retcon the actual species of InGen Velociraptor as Utahraptor or other large Dromaeosaurid. However, considering the original novel was published way before Utahraptor was formally described. I believe in universe, the truth lies between “Genetically modified Velociraptor that shares many traits with Deinonychus” or “Genetically modified Deinonychus which has traits of Velociraptor,and was named after Velociraptor”, and the reason why Wu and his Scientists made their raptors that way probably stems from a hypothesis proposed by Gregory S. Paul, in which he believed Deinonychus could be classified as a species of Velociraptor. While in reality, various publications and interview have proven that the Raptors in JP/JW are mostly based on Deinonychus and basically “Deinonychus under the name of Velociraptor”
Thank you. Im actually a History Teacher, or atleast am trained to be one (still trying to find my first teaching job), so for me its important that people understand the realities of the History and Paleo-history education.
About the first nitpick with the grass. There are fossils dating back about 55 million years ago, that show that grass did exist during the late cretaceous. To my knowledge these fossils already show grass species that are just like the ones we know today and the current state of research on the topic suspect that their ancestors evolved somewhere inbetween the Santonium and the Campanium. But that's just my state of knowledge on the topic. Eitherway this show is hilariously bad.
Yeah...i mean i would use the word 'family' as a general term for a group of genus that are all related which is basically what a clade is anyway. In any case seems i need to brush up on my terminology use myself ^^ Although what Fry says in the program is still wrong. An Iguanodontid is not a species
@@tri-clawgaming7682 oh yeah i use family as everything above genus too. also i think iguanodontidae might not even be valid since they kind of evolved into hadrosaurs, which makes it even funnier how bad it is
If they wanted to do a proper experiment, you can get dead pigs easily, or get ballistic gel that you cover with leather. This show is about as incompetent as it gets
@@tri-clawgaming7682 honestly I don’t even know how this shit show got aired on mainstream TV. This feels like some really obscure video you’d find on the deep web or something, not an actual TV show
A point that you made and is incorrect is that you named 4 dinosaurs as species, well that's incorrect, their genuses that contain species , a species of a dinosaur genus would be like bernissartensis, Horridus, Hallorum and Stenops, great video btw just a point you made that's incorrect and to inform the people.
If I can make a correction, Iguanodon, Mantilesaurus, and Iguanacolosus are all genuses rather than species. Species would be more like I. bernissartensis, which is a species of Iguanodon. Good video otherwise!
In my opinion at least that episode two did a bit better but it still had its problems here and there and I also like Dr. Jim Kirtland being in the documentary since he found Utah raptor
You got one thing wrong, you used the term species in place of genus. Also yeah it's true that it's pretty pathetic they stole ARK models. The 400 foot long Titanosaurus with rock like osteoderms is totally real...
@@tri-clawgaming7682 Oooh boy, you're missing out on a spectacular load of suck. It's got a lot of bad things about it, but I'll say this much - at least Stephen Fry didn't deliberately force the experts to say something outdated about the dinosaurs and then QUOTE-MINE them to make them think they supported said outdated theory. To sum it up, the COTD producers wanted one of their experts to talk about the second brain that sauropods have in their hips. I'm sure we've all heard about the "second brain" theory - the identity of a strange lump found in the hip region, but more importantl, something what was debunked many MANY years ago. The expert, who was very knowledgeable about sauropods, gave a detailed explanation of what this lump really was. He explained that it was a swelling in the spinal chord that is involved in unconscious motion control and also an additional organ called the glycogen body, which is also present in birds, although the exact purpose of it is unclear. He explains it much better than I can. However, throughout all this, he did not once mention the term "second brain" and because of this, the producers threw a hissy fit. Eventually, the expert relented and gave an interview where he basically said "A long time ago, people used to think that sauropods had a second brain in their hips to control their movement. This isn't true at all. It's actually an organ called the glycogen body, and whilst we don't know what it's used for, it almost certainly has nothing to do with brains." So then what did the producers do? Cut nearly his ENTIRE explanation so his on-TV interview had him say "Sauropods had a second brain in their hips to control their movement." And that's not even the worst of it. When the expert, naturally pissed off, complained about it, the producers basically told him "We edited your comments because people know more about the second brain than they do about glycogen bodies", without a hint of an apology. Discovery Channel (where COTD was aired) had to step in and sort it out themselves, resulting in the offending comment being removed from future airings.
Not defending them, but i bet they got some green screen images for the ark dinos🧐 Theres a channel called 'PixelBoom' And they have stolen ark models for years now, they might have gotten stock images for some dinosaurs, but still it is very embarrassing and stupid of them to even think of stealing ark models💀💀
Yes I know this is horrible this is the worst documentary since Even Jurassic club fight is better than this 💩 And this should also get a copyright strike using dinosaurs From ark Is lazy and bad I don’t know how they talk Stephen Fry into making this.
I never saw ppl do these "stunts" while using an actual organic material lol, Steel does not equal Bone or keratin. Carve the claw out of some material like a horses hoof, and use fresh bones from the butcher and use it on a pig quarter. I mean it's still pathetic for getting an accurate result, but at least you make it believable in terms of common sense. I mean at least if you do that and the claw or the whole leg structure breaks vs a pig's quarter armored in 5mm leather you'd prove it's impossible or the animal would have to use force beyond it's body's capacity, that's y'know still a result, some actual information.
@@tri-clawgaming7682 Have you seen triceratops test? This is how to make a proper stunt... Well at least a stunt that ain't instantly laughable and manipulated. th-cam.com/video/tFZJ-9UhLro/w-d-xo.html
i really wish programme makers would stop making all this cruddy cgi and just show some of the simply stunning paleo art that people have created instead. some charts and diagrams would be nice too, to illustrate time periods, relationships of all the different dinosaur groups etc. a drawing of a sauropod scaled to a human or blue whale would be far more educational and interesting than some rubbery looking animated thing. stop treating everyone like children, not that most kids interested in dinosaurs would be at all impressed by this sort of cheaply made, poorly executed drivel. it really is a waste of time and money to create cgi if there isnt the budget to do it really well. getting a real dinosaur expert rather than a comedian/ actor to write and present the programme would have been nice too. its a shame there isnt some kind of union or law to prevent the employment of celebrities like fry to present science programmes, instead of the actual experts in the field, qualified to do so.
Can't we tell where the feathers would go on any given Dinosaur based on quill knobs? I think we need to be clear where "interpretations" come from, because the way you phrased it makes it sound like a guess. Some interpretations may better fit the existing evidence than others.
well yes we can use quill knobs as clear evidence, however the fossils have to have them preserved for one thing. My point was that the episode didnt explain that it was one possiable interpretation, or where they got the evidence from.
In SOME ways it's better than Valley of the T. rex and Jurassic Fight club. On one hand the information is way more accurate than Valley of the T. rex, but on the other hand the graphics are somehow even worse and it steals models. The models are also more inaccurate usually. And for JFC, at least they made their own models. They were absolutely abysmal though and even worse than this show in terms of accuracy. But... still... they made their own.
You need to watch it for a "so bad it's good" point of view. Like those cheap Sci-fi Channel Jurassic Park knock-offs. Having said that, it smacks of being aimed at children, which is worrying because it gives them wrong information.
There was a species of Stegosaurus with six spikes spikes on the thegomizer. There even was a Stegosaurus species with spikes over the shoulders. The problem was the 50 or so plates on the back.
I think your getting Stegosaurus the genus confused with stegosaurian the clade. The two confirmed species of Stegosaurus only have 4 spikes on the tail.
@@tri-clawgaming7682 There's three valid species and plenty of dubious and reassigned species. *S. ungulatus* had six to eight associated spikes to the tail that could have been from another undiscovered specimen or from the same, which means it shouldn't be written off as impossible, while *S. sulcatus* had big spikes on top of its shoulders.
@@cristhianmlr Im afraid you are totally wrong there. S.Ungulatus only had four distinct tail spikes (Spikes are not plates) on its tail, which is a trait of all members of the Stegosaur genus. The drawing of stegosaurus with 8 spikes was done in 1891 by Marsh and is not considered accurate at all, and is in fact a reconstruction made from two different species in the first place. It should also be noted that the skeleton that was found with 8 spikes, was found with dis-articulated tail spikes and since that discovery no other member of that species has been found with more than 4 tail spikes. Every other Stegosaurus has only been found with four tail spikes. So the evidence would suggest that 4 is the correct number. I should point out to you that Marsh and others of the 1890's were reknowned for making errors with their reconstructions. All modern evidence pounts to 4 spikes only on the Stegosaurus. Im not writing it off as 'impossiable' it is however distinctly 'improbable, if not uncorrect' As for S.Sulcatus, the shoulder spike is debated, and infact that species might belong to a different genus entirly. What you are doing there is presenting an interpretation (that the spike comes from the shoulder) as a fact, while ignoring the rest of the evidence (that its considered a dubious species of Stegosaurus, and might in fact not be related at all considering the closeness of all of species of Stegosaurus to one another, and that the very idea its a shoulder spike comes from a theory itself based on the shape of the base of the spike, something that might have any number of other explanations such as damage during fossilisation, a deformity on the animal, disease etc) Irrespective of those details, the fact that the show is using a model from a video game , a video game that does not use accuracy in its prehistoric creature depictions, is the more important point here. It shows a total lack of passion for the subject, and a willingness to do something on the cheap, while presenting a mis-truth as fact.
please do a video on how Michael Crichton influenced ( detrimentally or positively} the modern view of Dinosaurs. Personally ,in my opinion , it stinks.
Hey @tri-clawgaming7682 I loved the video but with the Utahraptor being in JP is true yes Michael Crichton did say it was so poss to be off the Deinonychus but Steve Spielberg saw that the Deinonychus wasn't that big so he wanted to base it off the Utahraptor I saw the behind the Sean's video of JP and someone made a version of the accurate models so that's where I found this information out I'm not saying your wrong I'm just saying the evidence that I found are completely different from what you're saying that's all
well actually theres direct evidence from the person who spoke to micheal chrioton about the raptors, and the same person was contact by spielbergs team too...so...it does seem like theres a lot of contradictory evidence here. i think its probable that the JP raptors are a combination of utah and dieno. Theres certainly evidence for both sides of this.
Wow, the Titanosaur thing is sooo bad. There’s no excuse for that. And using the same model for Utahraptor as the Velociraptor. It’s so obvious. Not to mention a biologically inaccurate representation of the animal.
Just to prevent any more comments like this: Yes i know that i made a mistake in labelling Iguanodon etc as 'Species' and not 'Genus'. That was an error.
I feel so bad for Kirkland.
Not as glaring as the spelling mistakes in your graphics.
@@mikes5637 Im far too confident in my spelling sometimes
The iguanodon is mislabeled
Jk
first of all, dinosaur wit stephan fry is the greatest, it is not bad
Using one model for both Utahraptor and Velociraptor is like using one model for a cloud leopard and a cave lion. Velociraptor doesn't even have the same head shape as Utahraptor.
I doubt that the people who made this show realise that
Even Walking with Dinosaurs put more effort into their reskinned models. The Quetzalcoatlus has an altered head despite being a reskinned Ornithocheirus.
Indeed. I mean they could of changed the colours of the feathers or something
Yeah, Velociraptor is slimmer whereas Utahraptor is more bulky
It's especially painful after Prehistoric Planet where we got several different raptor species, including a velociraptor and where the difference between them is clearly visible.
The only redeeming part was when Stephen Fry said "It's Fryin' time" and started frying all over the poorly-rendered dinosaurs. Truly one of the documentaries ever made.
I dont get it?
@@rylanbrewer3320 Same kind of thing as the comments that say "It's morbin' time"
lol i got it
Wow, it’s safe to say this truly is one of the comments of all time.
Hey, that's me at 4:52 doing the claw stuff. Unfortunately, these experiments were already planned, built, and set up exactly how you see them without any input from us experts prior to filming, and it was mainly a scripted sequence, we did try and correct things as we went or play down some of the more severe mistakes, but ultimately it's up to what the production company want in the end...
So they were making a documentary,band yet they purposefully decided to just ignore your input? That's just sad.
Oooof i hope that you dont consider me too harsh heh.
If the creators don't care about dinosaurs, then why the F*CK did they make it!? I absolutely agree with you getting upset when something you love gets screwed up. Seeing dinos treated with no respect really boils my blood too.
It does seem like they just wanted to push out something dinosaur related just on a whim
I guess we just have to be grateful we seem to getting some actually good quality dinosaur documentaries this year
stuff on commercial tv is mainly just intellect free filler between whats really important...car and travel adverts. the programmes are not really the product, WE are. braindead consumers sold to advertisers. not saying the bbc is better. unless you like being forced to pay directly for neoliberalist propaganda!
What annoys me is that just because Stephen Fry has his name attached to it, trusting and oblivious folks will just lap it up and walk away with the wrong impressions of those animals. Stephen Fry said it, so it must be true, right?
exactly thats the big problem here
Common folk wouldn't differentiate between accurate amount of spikes on a Stegosaurus if you put it on a "spot 10 differences" image, HELL even I didn't knew that before I watched this vid and I'm friends with a Paleontologist. A doc with such criminal lack of f..cks given to science really is damage to science, but (un)fortunately JP/JW/65 fandom and common laymen just don't care about accuracy, you can't damage sth already broken lol... If this was made with Prehistoric Planet CGI then I would be scared cause then it would be a blockbuster, and the molten-hot hate poured from every paleontologist would simply be dismissed the same as complaints on those other movies I mentioned.
@tossupeater He took the job he got paid.
Oh dear you seem to be totally missing the point. @tossupeater
No I'm really not.@tossupeater
I’m actually surprised we got Prehistoric Planet in 2022 and then the next dinosaur documentary is this-
Just goes to prove how far we’re actually moving as a species-
lol wow thats a burn right there haha "This documentary prooves we as a species is doomed"
@@tri-clawgaming7682 we are very doomed indeed, and it’s a shame we got a breathe of fresh air with Prehistoric Planet and then we just got dragged down under with Dinosaur with Stephen Fry
Yeah stuff like JW Dominion hasnt helped
@@tri-clawgaming7682 personally, JWD was pretty good but you are right, we’re getting worse as a species
@@tri-clawgaming7682we don't talk about 65
the tail at 2:03 moves exactly like that of a creature from Spore.
lol i loved spore
So glad my boy, the ARK titanosaur, finally hit the big screen. I knew he was destined for greatness.
Ark is going to have a field day with them, ark is already known for sueing another movie that used their models
@@KhanArtist3 The one with the forest titan?
@@KhanArtist3 gotta get the money for ark 2
@@LeoTheYutywhats the one with the forest Titan called?
@@LeoTheYuty thanks
I am a huge fan of Utahraptor and it really dissapoints me that they made these decisions
Yeahhh i still think that WWD Utah is one of the best interpretations ive seen
@@tri-clawgaming7682Absolutely.
yeah the copying of the same model is clear laziness
@@tri-clawgaming7682 yep
@@tri-clawgaming7682 Utahraptor deserves better
I can't wait to watch your retrospective reviews of walking with dinosaurs, beasts, monsters, and prehistoric Park as they're some of my all favourite documentaries of prehistoric animals and were a big part of my childhood 😄
same here they were big parts of my childhood too ^^
@@tri-clawgaming7682 Nice nice :))
He's doing reviews of those!? I CANT WAIT!!!
@@tri-clawgaming7682 You should also do the 2003 Discovery Channel(when it was good)Dinosaur Planet with Christian Slater and BBC's 2011 Planet Dinosaur with John Hurt(one of my favourites).
@@tri-clawgaming7682 Oh and the BBC 02/03 sequel to WWD with Nigel Marven and called Chased By Dinosaurs ,which included the episodes The Giant Claw and Land of Giants.
so about the cgi (im not defending it. it's horrible i know ive only watched episode one but yeah) the cgi is basically done in a game engine aka unreal engine so the whole stuff with model "theft" is more else they found some random assets on a free model website and used it i would be suprised
also the whole stunt thing i just think this is the new monsters ressurcted because it pulls the same stuff it's crazy
Yeah i know that this is using some new technology, and like i said in episode 1, poor CGI can be forgiven if the facts, information and yest of the show is good quality. Unfortunatly when all of it is crap, then the bad CGI, stolen models etc, just add to the badness
@@tri-clawgaming7682 i 100% agree but it's not really "new technology" IT'S A LITERAL GAME ENGINE THEY'RE USING A GAME ENGINE FOR A DOCUMENTARY LIKE WHAT?!
anyway i have watched episode one and im currently watching this review and i can tell this is just monsters ressurcted from The Discorvery channel so yeah
Thank you for the watching ^^
@@liopleurodonthedinoman3637 Now I'm picturing a mockumentary that describes Godzilla as if it were real.
@@NitroIndigo"the Godzilla is searching for food,a nuclear power plant or Titan could do"
At this point I’m surprised they used a feathered raptor model and not a scaly JP one
could you imagine if they had?
@@tri-clawgaming7682 that would be both hilarious and awful at the same time. The Utahraptor model they used is not too bad, it just needs more detail and better animation
@@vaya-dragon1998 Yeah, the utahraptor model is mostly accurate. A few small things wrong but overall it gets a pass. Not as velociraptor, though... it doesn't look right at all. Probably because it's, you know, not a velociraptor model.
@@catpoke9557 yeah, Velociraptor was much smaller, sleeker and less bulky than Utahraptor was.
This documentary makes Jurassic Fight Club look pretty good by comparison
I wouldn't say that one chief. This documentary is quite bad with a lot of outdated information, but it doesn't outright lie the same way that JFC does.
@@BigAl2-u7e yeah but it also blatantly contradicts itself.
How this shit show even got aired on TV is a mystery to me
@@BigAl2-u7e Pangea in the Jurassic? Allosaurus using its head like a hatchet? Velociraptor being a smaller version of Utahraptor? Diplodocus weighing 40 tonnes? Allosaurus weighing 15 tonnes? This is exactly the same as JFC.
@@BigAl2-u7e we’re you not here for the video? They lied several times! JFC was made in 2008, what is this documentary’s excuse?
@@edgeofsevnteen
Cap. You are so wrong that it's not even funny. JFC was hot garbage since its creation. It wasn't even remotely accurate even when it was created.
They don't even stick with the plot of the show. The show was presented as if Stephen Fry actually time travelled to the Mesozoic and observed the wildlife. Then, it shows Stephen Fry walking right up to a predator and it doesn't even register his presence. You'd think an actual animal would know when a human was right next to it.
probably a limitation of the CGI software they are using
@@tri-clawgaming7682 The only reason for limitations is if they didn't get enough money, which shows how Channel 5 didn't actually care about this show. Chased by Dinosaurs did the same concept this show attempted but better 21 years ago.
Great critique = although one minor point (8:07) is that Iguanodon is not a species. It is a genus containing multiple species (Iguanodon bernissartensis, Iguanodon galvensis + several dubious spp.). As an analogy, Panthera is not a species, but a genus. The lion (Panthera leo) is a species; the tiger (Panthera tigris) is a species; the leopard (Panthera pardus) all within genus Panthera.
Yeah someone else has stated this and yeah i got it wrong. Im so used to considered individual dinosaurs as species rather than Genus. So yeah i got that wrong lol.
Also with the simplifying thing, I felt like they're aiming the show for kids. Which is way worse considering with the misinformation and the claims they are making!
For sure. As a trained teacher myself, you cant talk down to kids. You need to treat them just an intelligent as adults
Speaking of kids' shows, the learning segments in Dinosaur Train say we don't know some common theories about dinosaurs for sure.
All hope was lost when they stole those Ark models
*"It's better than a fucking watermelon."* - This could be said about the entire show.....but not much else.
I feel really bad for Steve Brusatte, who appeared in the first episode as a consultant right before the ark stegosauruses showed up
Yeaah i hope the experts didn't see those bits before filming theirs.
@@tri-clawgaming7682 i doubt it, they were probably just asked for info
I remember watching this with my mum and cringing so hard at all the incorrect facts and them blatantly contradicting themselves. As well as the goofy CGI dinosaurs where 90% of them were straight up ripped from dinosaur games. But if it makes you feel any better, at least we meet due to have some actually good quality dinosaur documentaries this year
true. atleast this one will be overshadowed by alll the better ones
Jurassic Fight Club: Finally…a worthy opponent! Our battle will be legendary!
lol nice
Lazy as heck. Velociraptors had quite different skull shapes to that of Utahraptors. They weren't just mini versions.
Yeah thats just very lazy model use
found this video through recommended feed, great video talking about this so called documentary, the fact we have prehistoric planet before this is amazing to me, how can channel 5 and Stephen fry put their names to this abomination. also googling dinosaur with Stephen fry you'll see that the british media are pushing it as this "ground breaking" documentary when in reality its a farse like you stated in your video. will definitely be subbing and checking out your series. keep up the great work :)
Thank you. Will be revieiwng the final two episodes together once they come out, and then after that will be starting with the WWD review.
14:12 In reality, it was though back then that Deinonychus was a species of velociraptor, thus leading to the name of the animal in the movie
This "documentary" is the equivalent of those rip-off/B-movies the Asylum does.
It seems that the developers saw the greatness of Prehistoric Planet, and just rushed this series and were saying like:
*OH LOOK GUYS, WE ALSO DO DINOSAURS TOO*
Yeah...a quick attempt to cash in
I had all the same complaints with the claw test. I do think they probably used their claw primarily for gripping prey, but that test wasn't doing the slashing hypothesis justice at all. Blunt claw, nothing to hold the leather in place, and not to mention they tried to do a slash in one move when it's possible they could've hooked the claw in FIRST and then pulled down, like a cassowary does.
About the ark models the show makers might not have robbed the models from the game itself. The devs of ark survival evolved made a tweet about that the models are copyrighted. BUT there's many TH-cam channels that rip-off the ark models and make green screens of the ark models and their animations that are just titled for example: Giganotosaurus running green screen. And i don't think that channel 5 even know what ark is.
Really? Its interesting that ARKs models are copyrighted
@@tri-clawgaming7682 well somebody asked if the show makers could use it but the devs said no and that they could file a law suit
@@ThatPelican Where are you getting that information from? Do you have a source?
or well the co-founder of ark survival evolved
@@tri-clawgaming7682 Anything someone creates is by default copyrighted, you've got to state otherwise for people to be allowed to take your content. So usually you don't really need a source to say "Yeah, this artists' work is copyrighted." More so you need a source for the opposite statement. If you make a dinosaur model, that dinosaur model is yours, in general, and people cannot take it nor directly copy it for their own monetary gain.
7:59 just though I’d point this out with ur text on screen, sauropods aren’t a family, not is sauropod very clear whether your talking about sauropdomorpha or sauropoda itself. Another thing, the examples you’ve used for species are genera names, a better example is for say Velociraptor, V. Mongoliensis rather than just velociraptor. I might not have explained that very well bc my typing skills are abysmal but uh, yea
Oop I didn’t read ur pinned comment lol srry
I know we can't expect every dino doc to be Walking with Dinosaurs or Prehistoric Planet level, but...good lord.
yeah there has to be a minimum quality level
You'd expect every doc to at LEAST use its own models
This series laziness is actually impressive
Indeed. It takes effort to be that lazy lol
@@tri-clawgaming7682 Maybe it has to be "so bad, it's good" or something
Righteous rant, mate! Wholly agree
thank you ^&^
That could explain the dinosaurs looking suspiciously like early/mid-2010s video game graphics
Id have gone with early 2000s
There was another experiment like this one used in The Truth About Deadly Dinosaurs. In that one it’s better because they test the claw, which is properly shaped and sharp, on a slab of meat. I think they also test the claw on the another same slab of meat but with alligator skin over it. It was to prove if raptor claws could actually tear and slash prey like in the movies. Turns out, it wasn’t capable of that.
So that experiment actually sounds like it had some scientific method behind it. A decent semi accurate target, using the same claw each time etc.
Didn't the claw break trying to pierce the alligator skin? It's been a while since I've seen that amazing palaeo-documentary.
@@Bagelgeuse yea it did.
Dinosaur is the best documentary , way better than prehistoric planet@@tri-clawgaming7682
Please make review or retrospective video on Prehistoric Planet. Which the creators of that show actually showed alot of passion towards what they were doing.
I already have ^^ If you check out the 'other media' playlist on the channel you will find reviews for every episode and a conclusion episode
@@tri-clawgaming7682 Awesome!! I'll check it out :)
That utahraptor and Iguanodon reminds me of Walking with dinosaurs ep Giants of the Skies reference
14:05
Didnt Chrichton also cited Gregory S Paul's proposition that Deinonychus was considered to be a subspecies of Velociraptor and thus was supposed to be Velociraptor Antirhopus?
I think they even mention this in the book once or twice
I'm not sure. Possiably? I mean Deino was already scientifically described as its own species by the time the book came out i think so...
a gift that keeps on giving 🤣
I know that a lot of people are asking you to do the walking with series. But I was thinking if you could also do a retrospective on Primeval?
Blimey thats a program that i havent seen in a long time! I defo consider that
@@tri-clawgaming7682 remember Dino Dan? I wonder how that show held up
@@gregcervantes9268 I can already say that it's decent. It's outdated and the acting is pretty cheesy but it's not horribly inaccurate. The newer Dino Dana is more scientifically accurate though.
The utahraptor got stabbed in the throat and survived. I really don't know how.
Maybe Nigel Marven should have guided Stephen instead. Looking forward to see the reviews for WWD thx for the videos
LOL hell no, we dont want our lord and saviour Nigel Marven tarnished by this program
ark survival evolved models should never be used for a dinosaur documentary cause in the games lore it says they are not accurate and were genetically changed for the survivors to use. One of the characters says in a collectable note that the megalodons act like dogs when tamed and taming the more deadlier creatures shouldn't be tamable at all.
Had a feeling the argent looked like it lol
What have they done to my boy Utahraptor?
Cheap CGI
I've always been a huge fan of dinosaurs since a kid. I spent 5 minutes watching Stephen Fry's Dinosaur before I felt completely annoyed and literally googled is this the worst dinosaur documentary ever, thankfully you have explained it all in great detail.
hahah looks like i picked the perfect title
I can not believe they took the titanasaur model lmao
it is pretty embarrassing for sure
this episode was definitely better than the first, but still not great. Not that bad... but it didnt really talk about much, and definitely nothing new. I will say, this is like shit 'The Truth About Killer Dinosaurs'. They showed that the raptor claws was worse at slashing than puncturing, using a really well built replica of a raptor claw, toe and foot.
In hindsight, I didnt think of how harmful some of it could be to what the layman thinks.
Sounds like a better experiment than this programs. My issue is not with the idea of testing it, more the way that they conducted the test.
Honestly I kind of dislike the test because they showed the slash being done in one motion, but it could be more like a cassowary where it's stab first then yank downward. Cassowaries have blunt claws, but they are able to gut things because of the fact they stab BEFORE pulling down. It is possible a raptor could've done the same, though honestly I do think they probably just used their claws like talons to grip onto prey. Still, gotta test everything properly.
@@catpoke9557 the shape is quite different though. Cassowary claws are shape like knives whilst a raptors claws are more like meat hooks, like with cats or birds of prey
@@flightlesslord2688 it doesn't really matter, because either way testing only one motion when there's multiple methods animals can employ to slash things open is kind of unfair
@@catpoke9557 yeah, I see what u mean
In fairness the "grass" being CGI depicted at the 59 second mark could be a type of sedge instead.. maybe?
You should do/watch the 2003 Discovery Channel(when it was good) series Dinosaur Planet with Christian Slater(Little Das episode). BBC's 2011 Planet Dinosaur with John Hurt(one of my favourites). And the BBC 02/03 sequel to WWD with Nigel Marven and called Chased By Dinosaurs ,which included the episodes The Giant Claw and Land of Giants.
So i will be doing the WWD special episodes (Big Al and Chased by Dinosaurs). The others are fairly difficult to get hold of unfortunantly.
Wait so- with the raptor claw “experiment” what were they trying to prove? I don’t think it was mentioned. Was it velociraptor’s claw vs utahraptor’s? Or was it trying to compare the actual raptor killing claw use (RPR) vs the outdated slicing/slashing weapon idea?
EDIT: I also recommend giving Dead Sound’s Dinosauria a look if youre craving a narrative-driven docuseries created out of passion and genuine love for the subject. I think Dinosauria ranks higher for me than Prehistoric Planet, truthfully.
Reminds me of something similar called Dinotopia
@@tri-clawgaming7682 ugh! James Gurney’s dinotopia art is still so incredible even if not up to todays realism. He did those creatures justice in a time when Jurassic Park was still so many peoples only experience with dinosaurs. Very different from Dinosauria’s docuseries angle, but still fun to look back on
It bothered me how he kept repeating iguanodontids are docile meanwhile they have a giant stabby claw for murdering predators
13:48 how dare they compare Jurassic park to this piece of shit😡
Indeed
This whole show feels like a crypto scam
'pay this micro-transaction for the high def graphics pack' lol
18:58 nice to see Mustard there, one of my absolute favorite youtube channels
yeah i love his stuff
Drachinifel as well. Drach has one of the most focused and informative channels on TH-cam.
@@Atlasworkinprogress Indeed. His stuff is perfect background noise for me while im script writing heh
Ark with Stephen Fry Episode 2
Prehistoric Planet in Ohio
Love the review, but nah I still stand by jurassic fight club is worse XD
HAHAHA yeah i cant find full episodes anywhere. id love to see it
@@tri-clawgaming7682 They tryna hide the truth
jk
@@tri-clawgaming7682 It seems the History Channel has a TH-cam channel, with full episodes of Jurassic Fight Club
Jurassic Fight Club had better CGI, and the dromaeosaurs had stiff(ish) tails. I guess the willingness to give them feathers makes this documentary slightly better than JFC.
Will you retrospectively review When dinosaurs roamed america
Probably not as im not familiar enough with that program. Im probably going to stick to the British documentaries
@@tri-clawgaming7682 I recommend it to you ethir way
This review was fantastic. Haha 😂
thank you ^^
The raptors swapping their claws around like they are on an episode of Keeping up with the Kardashians... pmsl!!!
The "Planet Dinosaur" documentary for the BBC, narrated by the late John Hurt, would be good to review if you are taking suggestions. :)
Well once ive reterospectivly reviewed the WWD series maybe ill do some other stuff
Didn't even bother watching this episode, after the car crash that was the first ep I was done
Honestly i dont blame you
I just can't imagine the amount of people that got the miss information and believed all of it 💀
Well given that there are positive reviews for this onlibne...it seems some were fooled
Sorry you aren't able to make it through any more episodes of Dinosaur with Stephen Fry
lol its just so bad...
@Tri-Claw Gaming Unfortunately for you, according to IMDB, there's two episodes after this one. Fortunately for you: 1. If you don't want to watch them, I don't think you have to, and 2. They may be the last episodes for all we know
@@swollenheadofdragon832 it depends on how much money is made off this documentary. I highly doubt it'll be much but who knows anymore.
channel 5 operates differently to say apple or amazon streaming services so they dont really make 'money' off the show being on the tv.
@@tri-clawgaming7682 The only way it gets another season is if it gets enough viewers and positive feedback. I just hope it doesn't see the light of day again.
Is there any legal way, to sue them and to get some payback for this monstrosity?
if only
How much did it cost you?
9:24 id stretch to not include “believe” since it necessitates a lack of evidence.
Perhaps but i take issue with the fact that show presented so much as 100% fact, especially given the promenence of mistakes in the other parts
It's inaccurate aswell. One example is that we have no evidence for pack hunting in raptors
What I find refreshing is that you point out the wording of such Paleo-Docs. Paleontology is a realm that is filled with interpretations and speculations. However, a number of Paleo-themed documentaries tried to claimed a speculation as fact, which is sometimes misleading.
Speaking of JP/JW raptors. As a big fan of the franchise, I know some fans tried to retcon the actual species of InGen Velociraptor as Utahraptor or other large Dromaeosaurid. However, considering the original novel was published way before Utahraptor was formally described. I believe in universe, the truth lies between “Genetically modified Velociraptor that shares many traits with Deinonychus” or “Genetically modified Deinonychus which has traits of Velociraptor,and was named after Velociraptor”, and the reason why Wu and his Scientists made their raptors that way probably stems from a hypothesis proposed by Gregory S. Paul, in which he believed Deinonychus could be classified as a species of Velociraptor.
While in reality, various publications and interview have proven that the Raptors in JP/JW are mostly based on Deinonychus and basically “Deinonychus under the name of Velociraptor”
Thank you. Im actually a History Teacher, or atleast am trained to be one (still trying to find my first teaching job), so for me its important that people understand the realities of the History and Paleo-history education.
About the first nitpick with the grass. There are fossils dating back about 55 million years ago, that show that grass did exist during the late cretaceous. To my knowledge these fossils already show grass species that are just like the ones we know today and the current state of research on the topic suspect that their ancestors evolved somewhere inbetween the Santonium and the Campanium. But that's just my state of knowledge on the topic. Eitherway this show is hilariously bad.
I agree
well actually, iguanodon is a genus and sauropoda is a clade
(sorry i had too)
Yeah you are correct...it goes clades - genus - species.
I do think you can use Family to refer to clade but yeah i got that bit wrong myself ^^
@@tri-clawgaming7682 family is a taxonomic rank too though, right? like dromaeosauridae and such are families iirc
Yeah...i mean i would use the word 'family' as a general term for a group of genus that are all related which is basically what a clade is anyway. In any case seems i need to brush up on my terminology use myself ^^
Although what Fry says in the program is still wrong. An Iguanodontid is not a species
@@tri-clawgaming7682 oh yeah i use family as everything above genus too. also i think iguanodontidae might not even be valid since they kind of evolved into hadrosaurs, which makes it even funnier how bad it is
What would utahraptors Clade be exactly?
If they wanted to do a proper experiment, you can get dead pigs easily, or get ballistic gel that you cover with leather. This show is about as incompetent as it gets
Exactly
I must say I admire your determination to continue watching this abomination, getting through the 1st episode was hard enough. :D
I do it for the community ^^
@@tri-clawgaming7682 honestly I don’t even know how this shit show got aired on mainstream TV. This feels like some really obscure video you’d find on the deep web or something, not an actual TV show
@@tri-clawgaming7682 but yeah thanks for going through the torment and actually reviewing this. I felt like I needed therapy after the first episode
I can honestly forgive the bad special effects if they didn't actively insult their audience with these awful experiments and generally shit science.
Im exactly the same way
A point that you made and is incorrect is that you named 4 dinosaurs as species, well that's incorrect, their genuses that contain species , a species of a dinosaur genus would be like bernissartensis, Horridus, Hallorum and Stenops, great video btw just a point you made that's incorrect and to inform the people.
Yes i know...your about the 5th person to point that out to me...
This sound worse than my Novel. My novel is a remake of Primeval from 2007 with more accurate Dino descriptions and new characters and ideas
Interesting idea
Your novel may not be perfect but I’ll give you credit, you definitely did better than whatever the documentary tried to do
If I can make a correction, Iguanodon, Mantilesaurus, and Iguanacolosus are all genuses rather than species. Species would be more like I. bernissartensis, which is a species of Iguanodon.
Good video otherwise!
Yes im aware hence the pinned comment about the error ^^
Fletcher maybe Allen Grant gave them the wrong claw lol
It pisses me off how the raptor just stands there like a npc in a fucking game
probably a limitation of the CGI system
In my opinion at least that episode two did a bit better but it still had its problems here and there and I also like Dr. Jim Kirtland being in the documentary since he found Utah raptor
Yeah it was good to see more actual experts in the episode but its still in my view not up to scratch
@@tri-clawgaming7682 well maybe who knows maybe episode three will be better
Episode 2 was 10x better yet still absolute garbage
You got one thing wrong, you used the term species in place of genus. Also yeah it's true that it's pretty pathetic they stole ARK models. The 400 foot long Titanosaurus with rock like osteoderms is totally real...
Im aware...hence the pinned comment i posted a few days ago ^^
and yeah it is pathetic they would steal models from a video game.
@@tri-clawgaming7682 Oh ha ha sorry I didn't see it.
"This is the worst dinosaur documentary!"
CLASH OF THE DINOSAURS: "Hi, I don't believe we've met."
(Not defending this, just pointing out the obvious)
Another one i have not heard of.
@@tri-clawgaming7682 Oooh boy, you're missing out on a spectacular load of suck. It's got a lot of bad things about it, but I'll say this much - at least Stephen Fry didn't deliberately force the experts to say something outdated about the dinosaurs and then QUOTE-MINE them to make them think they supported said outdated theory.
To sum it up, the COTD producers wanted one of their experts to talk about the second brain that sauropods have in their hips. I'm sure we've all heard about the "second brain" theory - the identity of a strange lump found in the hip region, but more importantl, something what was debunked many MANY years ago. The expert, who was very knowledgeable about sauropods, gave a detailed explanation of what this lump really was. He explained that it was a swelling in the spinal chord that is involved in unconscious motion control and also an additional organ called the glycogen body, which is also present in birds, although the exact purpose of it is unclear. He explains it much better than I can.
However, throughout all this, he did not once mention the term "second brain" and because of this, the producers threw a hissy fit. Eventually, the expert relented and gave an interview where he basically said "A long time ago, people used to think that sauropods had a second brain in their hips to control their movement. This isn't true at all. It's actually an organ called the glycogen body, and whilst we don't know what it's used for, it almost certainly has nothing to do with brains." So then what did the producers do? Cut nearly his ENTIRE explanation so his on-TV interview had him say "Sauropods had a second brain in their hips to control their movement."
And that's not even the worst of it. When the expert, naturally pissed off, complained about it, the producers basically told him "We edited your comments because people know more about the second brain than they do about glycogen bodies", without a hint of an apology. Discovery Channel (where COTD was aired) had to step in and sort it out themselves, resulting in the offending comment being removed from future airings.
The CGI in this series is just a little bit better than my animations that I have on my channel’ and I’m not very good at animating.
This is so funny - love this review. This dino show is so bad, I couldn't watch it - the only one ever. It is so awful.
Thank you dude
Not defending them, but i bet they got some green screen images for the ark dinos🧐
Theres a channel called 'PixelBoom'
And they have stolen ark models for years now, they might have gotten stock images for some dinosaurs, but still it is very embarrassing and stupid of them to even think of stealing ark models💀💀
Well yeah it shows a very poor production
Doesn’t utahraptor weigh like a tonne also the next episode is probably going to be worse than the last episode
even walking with dinosaur is much forgiveable than this
Well walking with dinosaurs in 20+ years old. Ofcourse its outdated. This show has no excuse
Yes I know this is horrible this is the worst documentary since Even Jurassic club fight is better than this 💩 And this should also get a copyright strike using dinosaurs From ark Is lazy and bad I don’t know how they talk Stephen Fry into making this.
see i wonder that, if the ARK models / designs are copyright protected
I never saw ppl do these "stunts" while using an actual organic material lol, Steel does not equal Bone or keratin. Carve the claw out of some material like a horses hoof, and use fresh bones from the butcher and use it on a pig quarter. I mean it's still pathetic for getting an accurate result, but at least you make it believable in terms of common sense. I mean at least if you do that and the claw or the whole leg structure breaks vs a pig's quarter armored in 5mm leather you'd prove it's impossible or the animal would have to use force beyond it's body's capacity, that's y'know still a result, some actual information.
i mean the fact they didn't even use the same shape of claw in each test is bad enough...lets not even mention the trex brick test...
@@tri-clawgaming7682 Have you seen triceratops test? This is how to make a proper stunt... Well at least a stunt that ain't instantly laughable and manipulated. th-cam.com/video/tFZJ-9UhLro/w-d-xo.html
"This is the worst dinosaur documentary" that's a fucking feat when you gotta contend with JFC and CotD
True. Perhaps it should win an award for that
Monsters resurrected:hold my spinosaurus
is this another documentary i havent seen?
@@tri-clawgaming7682 probably
the fact they stole models from Ark is sending me skjdfjksdf
Its probably the worst aspect of the show
@@tri-clawgaming7682 considering im an active ark player seeing these models used in dinosaur stephen fry was so alienating ngl
i really wish programme makers would stop making all this cruddy cgi and just show some of the simply stunning paleo art that people have created instead. some charts and diagrams would be nice too, to illustrate time periods, relationships of all the different dinosaur groups etc. a drawing of a sauropod scaled to a human or blue whale would be far more educational and interesting than some rubbery looking animated thing. stop treating everyone like children, not that most kids interested in dinosaurs would be at all impressed by this sort of cheaply made, poorly executed drivel. it really is a waste of time and money to create cgi if there isnt the budget to do it really well. getting a real dinosaur expert rather than a comedian/ actor to write and present the programme would have been nice too. its a shame there isnt some kind of union or law to prevent the employment of celebrities like fry to present science programmes, instead of the actual experts in the field, qualified to do so.
I agree. If you're not gunna do good CGI, dont waste time doing bad CGI.
Can't we tell where the feathers would go on any given Dinosaur based on quill knobs? I think we need to be clear where "interpretations" come from, because the way you phrased it makes it sound like a guess. Some interpretations may better fit the existing evidence than others.
well yes we can use quill knobs as clear evidence, however the fossils have to have them preserved for one thing. My point was that the episode didnt explain that it was one possiable interpretation, or where they got the evidence from.
At least it's better than Jurassic Fight Club or Valley of the T.rex.
I mean, those are extremely low bars but it's still something.
Low bar? more like the ground
In SOME ways it's better than Valley of the T. rex and Jurassic Fight club. On one hand the information is way more accurate than Valley of the T. rex, but on the other hand the graphics are somehow even worse and it steals models. The models are also more inaccurate usually. And for JFC, at least they made their own models. They were absolutely abysmal though and even worse than this show in terms of accuracy. But... still... they made their own.
You need to watch it for a "so bad it's good" point of view. Like those cheap Sci-fi Channel Jurassic Park knock-offs.
Having said that, it smacks of being aimed at children, which is worrying because it gives them wrong information.
And thats one of the bigger issues, the mis-information being directed at children
This is the asylum ripoff of dino documentaries
There was a species of Stegosaurus with six spikes spikes on the thegomizer.
There even was a Stegosaurus species with spikes over the shoulders.
The problem was the 50 or so plates on the back.
I think your getting Stegosaurus the genus confused with stegosaurian the clade.
The two confirmed species of Stegosaurus only have 4 spikes on the tail.
@@tri-clawgaming7682 no. There and there's three válido species under Stegosaurus genus.
Theres two valid and one dubious species under the Stegosaurus genus, and none of them have 6 spikes on the thagomizer...
@@tri-clawgaming7682 There's three valid species and plenty of dubious and reassigned species. *S. ungulatus* had six to eight associated spikes to the tail that could have been from another undiscovered specimen or from the same, which means it shouldn't be written off as impossible, while *S. sulcatus* had big spikes on top of its shoulders.
@@cristhianmlr Im afraid you are totally wrong there.
S.Ungulatus only had four distinct tail spikes (Spikes are not plates) on its tail, which is a trait of all members of the Stegosaur genus. The drawing of stegosaurus with 8 spikes was done in 1891 by Marsh and is not considered accurate at all, and is in fact a reconstruction made from two different species in the first place. It should also be noted that the skeleton that was found with 8 spikes, was found with dis-articulated tail spikes and since that discovery no other member of that species has been found with more than 4 tail spikes. Every other Stegosaurus has only been found with four tail spikes. So the evidence would suggest that 4 is the correct number. I should point out to you that Marsh and others of the 1890's were reknowned for making errors with their reconstructions. All modern evidence pounts to 4 spikes only on the Stegosaurus. Im not writing it off as 'impossiable' it is however distinctly 'improbable, if not uncorrect'
As for S.Sulcatus, the shoulder spike is debated, and infact that species might belong to a different genus entirly. What you are doing there is presenting an interpretation (that the spike comes from the shoulder) as a fact, while ignoring the rest of the evidence (that its considered a dubious species of Stegosaurus, and might in fact not be related at all considering the closeness of all of species of Stegosaurus to one another, and that the very idea its a shoulder spike comes from a theory itself based on the shape of the base of the spike, something that might have any number of other explanations such as damage during fossilisation, a deformity on the animal, disease etc)
Irrespective of those details, the fact that the show is using a model from a video game , a video game that does not use accuracy in its prehistoric creature depictions, is the more important point here. It shows a total lack of passion for the subject, and a willingness to do something on the cheap, while presenting a mis-truth as fact.
Funny that. I also love dinosaurs and tanks
please do a video on how Michael Crichton influenced ( detrimentally or positively} the modern view of Dinosaurs. Personally ,in my opinion , it stinks.
Im not sure this can be blaimed on MC. I think its more blamable on modern cinema, especially Jurassic World
Your video title says “documetary”.
LOL you are the only one who has noticed that haha
Hey @tri-clawgaming7682 I loved the video but with the Utahraptor being in JP is true yes Michael Crichton did say it was so poss to be off the Deinonychus but Steve Spielberg saw that the Deinonychus wasn't that big so he wanted to base it off the Utahraptor I saw the behind the Sean's video of JP and someone made a version of the accurate models so that's where I found this information out I'm not saying your wrong I'm just saying the evidence that I found are completely different from what you're saying that's all
well actually theres direct evidence from the person who spoke to micheal chrioton about the raptors, and the same person was contact by spielbergs team too...so...it does seem like theres a lot of contradictory evidence here. i think its probable that the JP raptors are a combination of utah and dieno. Theres certainly evidence for both sides of this.
Wow, the Titanosaur thing is sooo bad. There’s no excuse for that.
And using the same model for Utahraptor as the Velociraptor. It’s so obvious. Not to mention a biologically inaccurate representation of the animal.
yep thats basically what this show was