The Story of the Top African Jet Fighter Ace And His Last Kill
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 พ.ย. 2022
- In 1977, a war between Ethiopia and Somalia broke out over the province of Ogaden. Although numerically inferior, a small group of American trained Ethiopian pilots and their F-5E fighters managed to establish air superiority. The most successful of them in the term of air-to-air kills was Lagesse Teferra. Learn how he scored his last kill of the war and how things went downhill for him immediately after it.
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- Tom Cooper - Wings over Ogaden: The Ethiopian-Somali War, 1978-1979
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Here is a story I heard from a Hungarian MiG-21 pilot. When he and his comrades were in the Soviet Union for fighter training in the early 1970s, the Soviet instructors told them how lucky they were for working with East Europeans. Those who worked with African students, mostly Somalians at the time, were at constant danger. Most Africans never even saw an aircraft before, and they were usually sent to fighter pilot training only because they were related to some important local politician, warlord or tribesman. Some of them had to be sent away because they couldn't even read and write.
The rest weren't really pilot material either. They already arrived in the Soviet Union by aircraft, and some spent the entire trip cowering in fear. The instructors took them for an acclimatization flight in two-seat MiG-21U. They gave them strict instructions not to touch anything in the cockpit, no matter what happens. Due to regulations they still received ejection training. For many of them, it was simplified to this: "if there is very big trouble, pull this cord."
Guess what, as soon as the MiG-21U took off, one of these prospective Black Barons freaked out and pulled it. Early Soviet ejection seats did not yet have a mechanism to automatically pull the pilots' limbs back, so the Soviet pilot was just blasted out of the cockpit, but his legs on the pedals and his hand still grabbing the yoke stayed there. He bled out on his parachute. I don't know about the talented student's further fate, but I must assume he didn't fare much better either.
Following that day, Soviet training units refused to accept any further students from "developing countries" unless they passed the same proficiency tests as Warsaw Pact pilot candidates. Fortunately the Soviet government listened and there were no further similar "accidents".
This sounds a bit extreme but I think it might actually be true. From no contact with technology directly to a supersonic jet, that's a too big step for anybody.
A big step from a subsonic bow and arrow to a supersonic cannon.White man's magic they say.
Then how did the North Vietnamese pilots perform so well since they were also from a developing country?
Ethiopian pilots were not like other Africam fighters they're very experienced in war
@@spanishmontana6121 Yes, it's unlikely they were Ethiopians. They were most likely Angolans.
The Ogaden war was the "begginning of the end" for Somalia.......in 1988 they collapsed and never come back, only pirates, Al Qaeda, Daesh, "Blackhawk Down".........very sad.
True. It can be a great lesson that no matter what you think belongs to you, taking it by force is not an answer.
@@showtime112 North Vietnam was the last to take other country with success, they take the South....and keep it!!!
After this.....Implosions!!!....USSR, Yugoslav, Somalia....
Because American freedom came?
@@ThunderingVipers it should be that way export the American freedom to whomever need it and ask for however nations have to keep their own culture and religion things that make them unique identity you can export the way of living to everybody…. If those Africans nations would Pursue the American Freedom today they would be prosperous and beautiful.
@@manrex5238 What freedom ? Paying 30% tax so you don't end up homeless or in prison ? Not to mention property tax, state atheism, woke BS, promiscuous women, degeneracy in general. There's a reason Muslim and orthodox countries don't like United States and the West in general, for very obvious reasons !
Every time i see there's a new Showtime vid i immediately click and watch it! And i am never disappointed!
I hope to keep it that way! Thanks for commenting!
You really don't realize how many countries have a air force that. Actually went to action
Yes, there was a bunch of pretty unknown conflicts in the last 70 or so years. Especially if you include those without air-to-air encounters where air forces were used in air-to-ground role only.
That's a mistake for this moment that DCS has not made the MIG-17, because it's a fantastic story that this pilot had his first victories, it will be an intersting video.
There is a developer working on MiG-17 called Red Star Simulations. However, it will probably take a while until it's finished.
@@showtime112 It's a really good news, it will be an interesting video to follow in the future.
Another gem of a video featuring the F-5
...,one of my favourite fighters of all time....seeing as its nearly christmas let me say that you truly are the gift that keeps giving.🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂
Glad you liked it. You can expect a lot more before Christmas 😁
@@showtime112 thank you so much.🙂🙂🙂👍👍👍👍👍
I never heard about this war and its dogfights. Thanks for sharing
Thank you for commenting. People generally don't take interest in Third World conflicts but I think they deserve some attention too.
Legesse kills 5 Mig 21 and 2 Mig17.
Mig 17 kills by aim9. Mig 21 , two by 20mm guns ,the other by aim9. And two other Mig 21 collided themselves during dogfight with his F5E
Sunday in the morning here in Mexico, a (big) cup of coffee, a donut and a new Showtime112 video. What could be better than this? Thanks man, I really enjoy these videos 👍
Thank you for these wonderful words!
Watching these videos makes me buy the books you have linked. Tom Cooper makes really good books.
I'm glad to hear that. He and other authors need our support.
Great video like always. Will we see Peter Tankink who shot down a Mig-29 over Kosovo during 'Allied Force', and who is the only dutch F-16 pilot to do so?
11 years in Mogadishu prison. Sounds terrible.
I'm sure it was.
Good video on a small and mostly forgotten war.
Thank you for the feedback!
Definitely one of the better if not the best channel on military history/jet fighters on TH-cam!
Thanks, those words are extremely flattering!
Again a very good video about a small war between two mostly unknown countries. I really like these kinds of vids as everyone knows about the Vietnam, Korean, etc wars but it seems like these Cold War rivalries between small countries are forgotten. The shot at 06:30 must have been pretty lucky at such a high angle, I can barely hit anything without radar guidance in the Mig21/F5.
I kinda like doing those unknown conflicts too. That shot was made by the guy helping me do the video. I was flying the MiG. We didn't expect to make the exact cockpit shot but since it turned out that way, it really illustrated the story.
Son of bitch you are unknown and your brain is too small, indeed Ethiopia is big and proud country
Ethiopia is not unknown country (please refer it that Ethiopian fought and won Egypt, Sudan, somalia, Italians, British, Othman turkey, Portuguese, in different counter of battles!! Egypt and it's protectorate great British was defeated by Ethiopian heroes in many battles
@@girumaschalew1700 to most people it is an unknown country, just like they wouldn't know it's a christian country with history going back to antiquity.
Well well well... What a nice video to watch while I wait for paint to dry on my 1/72 scale model f-5a Ethiopian Air Force ;)
In all seriousness, RIP General Tefera. I recently found a photo of him receiving a medal from Raul Castro following the release from Somalia, which is quite special.
No such thing as coincidence 😁 I didn't actually know that the Cubans also decorated him. I should probably make a video about the Cuban engagement in Ethiopia.
@@showtime112 Certainly, we need those MiG-17s!
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Great history showtime. Please do the dogfight between ROCAF p-47 and PLAAF mig 15 in 1954 during Taiwan Straits war.
Thanks! I'll try to research your suggestion, sounds interesting!
Excellent video. The back story of the Ethiopian pilot was very interesting.
Thanks! I find such stories quite fascinating.
He was my brother and they put him in prison. 11 years in dark room.
Very interesting and I learned a lot of wars we do not really care about. What a pilot! Thank you.
Thank you for watching and commenting! Good feedback is always encouraging!
The subsonic diminutive MiG17 was a pain in the ass even for F4s over the Nam, because it was used the way it was supposed to, in conjunction with GCI, SA2s and enough AAA hiding in the woods to change the average special weight of the atmosphere over the north Vietnam for those important few minutes... specially in modern warfare you don't get to cherry pick your weapon systems, they come in full packages and with their own doctrines, third world nations usually acquired and deployed their equipment more with a rule of coolness in mind, they would look good on a parade day but when pushing came to shove they usually produced lackluster results... just like every other time in history, soldiers do what soldiers do, fight hard and die well, but politicians and decision makers lose their wars before they even start them, in some cases, the cost becomes the entire country, like the story of Somalia...
Thank you for providing this valuable history lesson.
Thank you for commenting, that helps videos grow!
It's amazing how you simulate this. It's so real!
So glad you think so! I had help of another human player in this video, would have been impossible without it.
@@showtime112 I've searched across TH-cam about the ogaden war, and you are the only one with this kind of presentation about the war and other historical events. You will grow bro! Keep them coming
Ogaden war is an interesting little conflict,maybe one day you can do a video about 1989 romanian revolution dogfights and friendly fire incidents
Thanks for the comment and suggestion. Can you recommend any sources on the 1989. incidents?
Very interesting bit of history Showtime, thanks for the great video.
Thank you for commenting and for staying with the channel for such a long time!
A super video of yours as always.
The perfect way to end a weekend 👍
Thanks, I'm glad I've helped :)
I would call him an ace. The MiG-21s should be considered maneuvre kills.
Agreed!
Loved the video! Keep it up man!
Thank you, I don't intend to stop :)
The Russians ended up with a few F-5s post Vietnam. They flew them against MiG-21s and they were highly impressed! Seems in ACM’ing they believed the little F-5 to be superior 👍
True. Cubans and Ethiopians did the same thing during this war and F-5 would win every mock-up dogfight.
Chris, not only did the Vietnamese supply those ex-South Vietnamese F-5s to the Soviets, the post-1975 Vietnamese Air Force continued to operate them alongside MiGs etc. They quite likely saw action in 1979 against Pol Pot and the Chinese invasion that followed. I believe they were retired some time in the 1980s, after spares ran out. (Several years before the rapprochement with the US.)
Great video. I love your calm narration.
Thanks! When I was editing the video, it seemed a bit too calm 😁
@@showtime112 It's just perfect for me.
As far as quality over quantity is concerned someone once said to me "who will survive?...the poorly camouflged sniper or the expertly camouflaged solder who is,at best a average rifleman".....my reply was "if you are perfectly camouflaged for any given situation then your skills with the rifle are irrelevant as your enemy WONT see you or know you are even there in the first place....after all thats the whole reason for using camouflage in the first place"
That makes sense!
@@showtime112 absloutley.🙂
Excellent presentation of this amazing aviator. Thanks for all you do. 🎩♠️🎱🎯🇺🇲🏁🎯🇺🇦🔱💮🌸🏵️🌼🏴☠️🏹
Thanks, Ratagris! And thank you for being here for so long.
@@showtime112 you're very welcome 🤗
What a great video it's always interesting to see other airforces use of established Warplanes
Thanks! Plenty of that happened, someone just needs to bring it out.
Very nice video thank you very much
Thank you for your feedback!
Awesome content.
Glad you think so!
great mini documentary, very interesting 👍
Thank you very much!
Great video 👍
Thank you for your feedback!
Imagine 11 yrs in captivity in Mogadishu? 😱
Yes, sounds awful. And after returning home, he had to go to exile after only several years.
@@showtime112 us humans gotta learn to be nicer to each other.
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Wow! This really is one of the most inspiring comments I've ever read on this channel. I very much appreciate your positive feedback.
good insight!
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Thanks for the feedback!
Now I want you to tell about air battle on Yom Kippur war
This will wait for the F-4E module in DCS World. And also the Sinai map.
Outstanding.
Thank you for this positive feedback!
What a story . . And off course the dogfights . .
Thanks for the feedback!
Very nice
Thanks again!
2:43 "Quality should be the priority"... Well, that's exactly what the Germans thought in WW2 when they made tanks such as Tiger and Panther... And they faced scores of Shermans and T-34s... How did it end?
When you have so few (planes, in this case) and you lose even one, that is a massive blow...
That was primarily about training. But don't forget that Soviets and Americans improved their quality by late WWII. Both, in training and equipment. And on the other hand, German and Japanese quality of training was deteriorating as the war progressed.
I don't know where you are from but youtube always put name and description in my language. Great job on videos
It's a miracle 😁 What language might that be?
E da kasnije sam skužio da sam gledao tutorial za avione haha
Cuando un etíope le recuerda la derrota del Ogaden a un somalo, este le responde que no fué una batalla en zuhali,
I believe it was a South African who was the top African fighter ace... his name was Pat Pattle.
True. But the title says 'Top African Jet Fighter Ace'. I don't think Gladiators and Hurricanes were jets 😁
Oh i love this one thanks what’s the name of the pilot to google it up and know more
The top Ethiopian pilot is Lagesse Teferra. The other one from this clash is Ashenafi Gebre Tsadik.
Interesting Thanks for posting...heard the MiG 21 doesn't like to go slow...it starts to wobble... exploit this to force over shoot ?
True, it's not a big fan of going slow. I suppose that can be used against it. Getting your opponent to overshoot is always a bit of a gamble though.
@@showtime112 That's right.... I bet some of the aces can sense if you know what you are doing... Great videos BTW avoid loud music ..... it's exciting enough... it causes your viewers to have to mess with volume control... the sound effects are quite sufficient...you have a great voice for story telling of this sort
"quality should always be preferred over quantity" -- this is true if you are importing the weapons and you don't have strategic death to keep manufacturing the weapon during war.
But if you are producing the weapon and if your infrastructure can keep producing the weapon while your country is in an ongoing war. Then quantity wins over quality as we can see for USSR/ Russia have huge strategic depth and resources that let them produce thousands and thousands of T34/85 tanks and crush a much superior tank obviously with higher loss. That used to be a problem as we used to lose our soldiers but with the advent of drones and autonomous weapon systems clearly, quantity is much more important than quality. Obviously, a balance need to be maintained even if the balance is not 50:50
Did the F5 have an afterburner?
yes
@@major_kukri2430 thanks
@@peregrinesmith1117 no problem
En esa guerra se logró la verdadera superioridad aérea con la participación cubana, los piloto cubanos y los somalíes se firmaban en la URSS, y al saber estos últimos que se iban a enfrentar a los cubanos, se negaron a volar, pues estaban conscientes de la superioridad de sus contrarios
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Question...do any reports exist of damage or injury due to dropping of tanks??
I can't remember ever reading of something specific. There must have been at least some damage in some cases. My aunt witnessed an airplane drop a fuel tank during WWII when she was a child. It landed in a field but it had plenty of fuel still inside.
how do i get this module
1:42 you mention MiG-17s and MiG-21s, but the footage shows MiG-19s.
Вообще странная тактика у пилотов МиГов. МиГ мог свободно уклониться от боя, занять более выгодную позицию имея преимущество в скорости и скороподъёмности. МиГ уступали только в маневревнности и то не критично
Sure, but it seems like nobody taught them such tactics.
@@showtime112 учили их всему. Ученики такие.
You need to change the title of this video. Top African ace is Tom Pattle with 41 kills during WW2!
I don't need to change anything. You on the other hand need to read the title more carefully 😁
@@showtime112 You are correct. I misread the title and realized that a minute or two after I sent my message.
@@1836davedave Well, any comment helps the video so I'm grateful 😀 I think another viewer did the same thing. It might be the Universe's way of telling me that I should do a video about Pattle.
1:43-2:12 Those shown at this time are MiG-19s
Not much footage of Somali Air Force from 1970s is available, sadly.
Full support to Ethiopia 🇪🇹 ❤️ from India 🇮🇳 against Somalia
you should make video on egyptiam air force as with in it during the wars with icsraeil you would find real africam aces
What was he doing in the USA when he passed away ????
I think that he emigrated there because the old Derg regime fell several years after he came back from Somali captivity. He was seen as an enemy by the new regime, if I remember correctly.
@6:26, *The pilot is unconscious*.
Probably. Ashenafi just saw as the MiG dived into the ground but it didn't show signs of significant damage. So he assumed that one of his rounds must have hit the cockpit.
@@showtime112 I was just making a War Thunder reference.
@@swenhtet2861 Sorry, I only started to play WT about a week ago so I don't get WT jokes yet 😁
@@showtime112 I hope you’re mentally prepared for the journey into War Thunder 🙂.
@@swenhtet2861 My first impression was 'this is a cartoon-looking arcade'. But it's actually fun to play and with that huge range of aircraft, I can use it to reenact battles not possible with DCS or IL-2.
First! 😊
Good job!
So he had a parachute in the colours of the Irish flag.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Coincidence? Maybe 😁
@@showtime112 who knows.ha ha.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Military channel dogfights?😳
Jman
Second :)
That's pretty good too :)
Black Americans think they are going to move to Afika and build a Wakanda. 😂 The natives can’t get along and neither can the ones here in the US.
What you never get told on media was ,white people in America they kill 3x more than black peoples does in America and as well as they killed a Millions all over the world.
Nothing can out turn and burn an F-5 in a dog fight, that's one maneuverable little hot rod
Sometimes, simple things are the best!
Lmao 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You must be on some good stuff :)
America is best military after the Taliban !
The subsonic diminutive MiG17 was a pain in the ass even for F4s over the Nam, because it was used the way it was supposed to, in conjunction with GCI, SA2s and enough AAA hiding in the woods to change the average special weight of the atmosphere over the north Vietnam for those important few minutes... specially in modern warfare you don't get to cherry pick your weapon systems, they come in full packages and with their own doctrines, third world nations usually acquired and deployed their equipment more with a rule of coolness in mind, they would look good on a parade day but when pushing came to shove they usually produced lackluster results... just like every other time in history, soldiers do what soldiers do, fight hard and die well, but politicians and decision makers lose their wars before they even start them, in some cases, the cost becomes the entire country, like the story of Somalia...
All good points, thanks for commenting!