This was a joy to watch. Even though it is a highly theoretical discussion of a software feature, it was very easy to follow and the conversation style worked great for this. Thank you very much for the effort! Nerd hat off to you, sir.
The way that rack in the background of you talking perfectly lines up with the right end of the image area is so satisfying! And, of course, the actual content of the video isn’t of any lesser quality than your framing. Keep it up!
I realise this video is a few months old but I just bought an iPhone 13 Pro Max and had already downloaded the Halide trial. This video is one of the most interesting videos I’ve seen on TH-cam and certainly contains the most (useable) information on ProRaw I have found. Thanks so much for a thoroughly researched and well presented video and for the extra tips on using Halide. Absolutely superb.
Just came across this amazingly helpful video! It's SO hard to find detailed information about ProRAW that really gets into the nuts and bolts like you did here. Would love another one that talks about new developments with JPEG-XL in the iPhone 16 Pro!
Amazing video, wow! I just purchased the iPhone 13 Pro coming from the Galaxy S9+. I took a dive in ProRaw and read their article about it a few days ago, amazing how you asked just the right questions to make it even more understandable. Given that this is a deep and complex subject. Also, amazing video quality with great photo samples/comparisons!
I was just playing around in settings and found the proraw option! I got curious and came here, and now I don’t think I’ll ever take another photo without it being on! Thank you!!!
Thanks for this explanation! So my understanding is Apple just did what they would do to any photo: taking multiple exposures and merging. But in the middle of the process, rather than pulling up the shadows and down the highlights for you and burning it into a 8 bit jpeg, it just creates a 12 bit image. That image is like the TIFF you get from merging a HDR in Lightroom. All the dynamic range from those shots is kept in. The only extra thing ProRAW did was to give softwares a mask that tells what it thinks should be done, but the option is still in user hands. So if I brought it into older lightroom that doesn't read the mask, I could just treat it as something like a TIFF and bring out the details manually.
I took a picture at midnight, in a bushy forest. You could barely see. But ProRaw with long exposure was able to show me perfect green trees and daylight looking image overall - I have never seen anything like it. I could also tell which branches were closer to me, like a depth effect, and I’m talking 50 meters distance. This was never possible on my 11 Pro, it all looked mushy; bright enough, but mushy contrast and greenish tint all over the picture. Now with 12,13 pros, the camera is simply outstanding once again. I just wish they’ll release a version that uses LCD screen, like an SE. Amoleds make my eyes hurt after a while 😞
Very useful and informative! A little too techy I thought at 1/3 into the video.. but so incredibly well explained that I was able to easily keep up. Great job!!
Great video! I have one question left: How can I extract the Semantic mask and make use of it (e.g. as a masking layer in PS)? Neither PS, nor Affinity Photo seem to make the information available and halide can show it but does noch seem to be able to export it.
That was very helpful video to watch and I will appreciate if you answer my question that I couldn’t find the answer yet I want to know how much DPI for proraw images on iPhone 12 pro I’m working on prints and I know it is 72 for the normal mode but it was not showing in the details for proraw Thank u
great video! love the details. had no idea there was that much going on under the hood. i have been shooting RAW with Canon since early 2000s and started using DNG on iPhone first with iPhone SE (the 1st SE) and have been bloating out my harddrive since :P
Great deep dive! In your opinion: is ProRaw a good format to edit with? I'm editing ProRaws in Lightroom that look OK with the ProRaw profile, but when you try to use sliders on top of this tone mapping (shadows, highlights), the two don't work together nicely. The overall dynamic range is even disappointing, it's hard to reduce overexposed area's for instance. A 16 bit HDR DNG made with the Lightroom app doesn't have the problem of tone mapping fighting the edit sliders, but can't benefit from Apples processing smarts (and masks). What's your take on this?
Google better be doing something similar if not better soon, 'coz if not, I guess it's bye-bye Pixel for me this year. This video got me excited man, thank you!
UPDATE: To see the full metadata on Mac, select a photo using the Finder's Gallery view. I'm not seeing the creator responding to latest posts, so I may be shouting into the void here…. At 4:39 (th-cam.com/video/L9SLc7NTbeE/w-d-xo.html) there's a screenshot of a More Info window. I cannot find this specific More Info metadata anywhere! The other screenshot in the background makes it look like the DNG was accessed in a Mac Finder. But If I do that, the Get Info doesn't look like your screen. Can you guide me through the process of how to see this data as it's shown in your video? Thanks!
@@zy_cheng hi I just bought iPhone 12 and I know it does support apple raw for iPhone 12 Pro and 13 pro but why it doesn’t have raw mode on camera on iPhone 12 and I would like to have it but don’t how can I get apple raw mode for iPhone 12 in your experience
interesting video - I have been looking into the iphone 13 pros but my sense is that the proraw format is just too limiting for people who want full control over images and who don't want so much processing to occur by default
Amazing and informative video. I’d be using Halide more but they don’t offer different aspect ratios like the native app does. I shoot all my photos in square and I’ve requested a non-destructive aspect-ratio overlay several times over the years - but it doesn’t look like it’s happening..
I've just switched from Android to an iPhone 13 Mini and, despite not being able to shoot ProRaw on my iPhone, this was super interesting! The thing is I still haven't quite grasped when it's better to use RAW and when ProRaw...I mean, if you want the full quality with the least loss of detail and most flexibility RAW is still the way to go? Or did I miss something?
I don't have the option to shoot an unprocessed RAW (DNG) in the 13PM. (I know you have a Mini, sorry, I'm just letting you in on this info.) ProRAW IS processed, to a certain extent. Ugh.
@@suzanne3t ok so RAW is still the way to go if I want to get the best possible file. I was curious because there's lots of third party apps enabling RAW shooting(Moment, Halide, even Lightroom if you have the paid plan) but I was still wandering which of the two formats retained more infos.
@@agoniavr RAW, definitely-though Apple's new ProRAW/DNG format isn't real RAW. As far as I know, no other camera app can bypass all of Apple's computation processing features, and that means some editing flexibility is lost. I'll be doing more research on this issue. Post if you learn more!
This was a joy to watch. Even though it is a highly theoretical discussion of a software feature, it was very easy to follow and the conversation style worked great for this. Thank you very much for the effort! Nerd hat off to you, sir.
Just a week back I purchased iPhone 13 pro max and this is the only video on proraw on TH-cam that was massively informative. Thank you 🙏
One of the most informative videos I've seen on ProRaw. Detailed, well-presented, and clear. Thank you.
The way that rack in the background of you talking perfectly lines up with the right end of the image area is so satisfying! And, of course, the actual content of the video isn’t of any lesser quality than your framing. Keep it up!
I realise this video is a few months old but I just bought an iPhone 13 Pro Max and had already downloaded the Halide trial. This video is one of the most interesting videos I’ve seen on TH-cam and certainly contains the most (useable) information on ProRaw I have found. Thanks so much for a thoroughly researched and well presented video and for the extra tips on using Halide. Absolutely superb.
Just came across this amazingly helpful video! It's SO hard to find detailed information about ProRAW that really gets into the nuts and bolts like you did here.
Would love another one that talks about new developments with JPEG-XL in the iPhone 16 Pro!
That was exceptionally informative. Thank you!
Amazing video, wow! I just purchased the iPhone 13 Pro coming from the Galaxy S9+. I took a dive in ProRaw and read their article about it a few days ago, amazing how you asked just the right questions to make it even more understandable. Given that this is a deep and complex subject. Also, amazing video quality with great photo samples/comparisons!
Ironically, your s9 had native RAW capture already (in fact, Samsung have offered it since the release of their s6, I believe).
@@TheSlowNewsDay Yes! I know, they truly were ahead of its time on that matter. Had alot of fun with it!
12:16 he's not just very well spoken, he's also honest and funny 😂
finally someone explained this. thanks a lot
I was just playing around in settings and found the proraw option! I got curious and came here, and now I don’t think I’ll ever take another photo without it being on! Thank you!!!
Thanks for this explanation! So my understanding is Apple just did what they would do to any photo: taking multiple exposures and merging. But in the middle of the process, rather than pulling up the shadows and down the highlights for you and burning it into a 8 bit jpeg, it just creates a 12 bit image. That image is like the TIFF you get from merging a HDR in Lightroom. All the dynamic range from those shots is kept in. The only extra thing ProRAW did was to give softwares a mask that tells what it thinks should be done, but the option is still in user hands. So if I brought it into older lightroom that doesn't read the mask, I could just treat it as something like a TIFF and bring out the details manually.
I took a picture at midnight, in a bushy forest. You could barely see. But ProRaw with long exposure was able to show me perfect green trees and daylight looking image overall - I have never seen anything like it. I could also tell which branches were closer to me, like a depth effect, and I’m talking 50 meters distance. This was never possible on my 11 Pro, it all looked mushy; bright enough, but mushy contrast and greenish tint all over the picture. Now with 12,13 pros, the camera is simply outstanding once again.
I just wish they’ll release a version that uses LCD screen, like an SE. Amoleds make my eyes hurt after a while 😞
The most professional information about proRaw I’ve ever seen since
Very useful and informative! A little too techy I thought at 1/3 into the video.. but so incredibly well explained that I was able to easily keep up. Great job!!
Hi, does the beastcam app take pictures in RAW or DNG, i have an iphone 12 and does beast cam have a log or Flat profile thanks.
You are so underrated OMG
Great video!
I have one question left: How can I extract the Semantic mask and make use of it (e.g. as a masking layer in PS)? Neither PS, nor Affinity Photo seem to make the information available and halide can show it but does noch seem to be able to export it.
Great nerdy content, and well made 👍
Ben has good taste. I can recognize the bottle from Suntory's Hibiki. It's really good. 😅
Thanks for the video and Halide! I doesnt know this app.
Pros talking about proraw ! Excellent video !
This world class TH-cam content! Amazing works and thank you 🙏🏼
Simply amazed!!! gotta re check if pro-raw setting was off. XD
This is great content , which you couldn't find anywhere eles , great work . Amazing 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥❤️❤️❤️
Great roundup! Thanks a lot!
Best video on the subject I have seen! Excellent interview and great information.
That was brilliant, thank you both!
That was very helpful video to watch and I will appreciate if you answer my question that I couldn’t find the answer yet
I want to know how much DPI for proraw images on iPhone 12 pro I’m working on prints and I know it is 72 for the normal mode but it was not showing in the details for proraw
Thank u
Any help? iPhone 13 Pro Max - iOS 15.5. Cannot export/Manually copy, Transfer in any way ProRAW DNG without it being downscaled to jpg.
Are you a Malaysian and staying in Klang? Wow, it’s surprising seeing such professional and high quality TH-camr from Malaysia
He always shoot in puchong and his studio is in cyberjaya I think..
Excellent presentation. Thank you.
So glad to be alive in 2021. Thank you!
20:28 We now know it's not about performance. iPhone 14 have A15 (5 core GPU) with 6GB of LPDDR4X but no ProRAW support.
such amazing vídeo, content and TH-camr! Congrats!
great video! love the details. had no idea there was that much going on under the hood. i have been shooting RAW with Canon since early 2000s and started using DNG on iPhone first with iPhone SE (the 1st SE) and have been bloating out my harddrive since :P
So nerdy. SO GOOD! This stuff matters to serious shooters.
Thank k you for a very helpful and well produced video.
Don’t comment on TH-cam much but this video was very informational! Thank you!
So Informative. Great video!
Imagine a raw file with baked in sharpening and intense noise reduction?
Now we need a similar video about ProResRAW and BRAW
Great deep dive! In your opinion: is ProRaw a good format to edit with? I'm editing ProRaws in Lightroom that look OK with the ProRaw profile, but when you try to use sliders on top of this tone mapping (shadows, highlights), the two don't work together nicely. The overall dynamic range is even disappointing, it's hard to reduce overexposed area's for instance. A 16 bit HDR DNG made with the Lightroom app doesn't have the problem of tone mapping fighting the edit sliders, but can't benefit from Apples processing smarts (and masks). What's your take on this?
Pixelmator pro
Iphone is by far the best bang for the buck camera you can get today, the engineering in those tiny portable cameras is unreal, and its a phone!
are there really such big differences between using proraw vs. jpeg or the hevc?
Be nice if I could find how to get the apple raw onto the computer.
Great stuff! Bravo, guys. Keep up the good work.
Really good, informative video. I take delivery of my iPhone 13 Pro Max today and look forward to investigating all the features.
Google better be doing something similar if not better soon, 'coz if not, I guess it's bye-bye Pixel for me this year. This video got me excited man, thank you!
Such a good video!!
It would be nice to have an opportunity to turn off the noise reduction applied to ProRAW files.
UPDATE: To see the full metadata on Mac, select a photo using the Finder's Gallery view.
I'm not seeing the creator responding to latest posts, so I may be shouting into the void here…. At 4:39 (th-cam.com/video/L9SLc7NTbeE/w-d-xo.html) there's a screenshot of a More Info window. I cannot find this specific More Info metadata anywhere! The other screenshot in the background makes it look like the DNG was accessed in a Mac Finder. But If I do that, the Get Info doesn't look like your screen. Can you guide me through the process of how to see this data as it's shown in your video? Thanks!
10:51 "...tune up to 11!" You know when your product is better then the norm... ...also: hibiki on that shelf. like it tho!
Haha good spot! Couldn’t take my eyes off the Hibiki either 😂
@@zy_cheng hi I just bought iPhone 12 and I know it does support apple raw for iPhone 12 Pro and 13 pro but why it doesn’t have raw mode on camera on iPhone 12 and I would like to have it but don’t how can I get apple raw mode for iPhone 12 in your experience
Thanks for this extremely informative and interesting presentation.
Have you processed your ProRAW files in ACR or LR ZY?
So good. Many thanks.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THIS VIDEO ! GREAT WORK
Great video. Great content. Cheers!
interesting video - I have been looking into the iphone 13 pros but my sense is that the proraw format is just too limiting for people who want full control over images and who don't want so much processing to occur by default
Super-duper! Thx🔥
Best video on the subject. Thank you
It’s super annoying that after all this time we still can’t turn off the tone map in light room
Informative and succinct!
Very detailed, thank you ! (:
Just found this channel, great content
I'm ProZY...the best for sharper explanation 🙏
I'm surprised the images don't contain a depth mask, because you know they capture that.
All my photos are ProRaw and forgot to turn it off. However, I know that some photos I wanted to have more better HDR.
Amazing and informative video. I’d be using Halide more but they don’t offer different aspect ratios like the native app does. I shoot all my photos in square and I’ve requested a non-destructive aspect-ratio overlay several times over the years - but it doesn’t look like it’s happening..
Great review 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻🎥
Thanks for grate video!
This video makes me want to shoot ProRaw more and regret not getting a larger capacity storage iPhone.
Yaassssss! More technical information is great... Even if it's about the company that I really dislike 😅
Awesome video
talk about ProRes pls
So just wondering where the how to was? Maybe it’s because I’m learning haha
absolutely amazing. i hope google makes something like this for android which would be able to utilize the cameras of s21 ultra, pixel 5 etc phones
just gonna drop here for those OCDs so you cant unsee it...his airpods is not aligned, its tilted in a weird way.
ohh awesome this answered a question i have about 3rd party apps
Brilliant, just, brilliant.
What an amazing video! Loved this and would love more.
I've just switched from Android to an iPhone 13 Mini and, despite not being able to shoot ProRaw on my iPhone, this was super interesting!
The thing is I still haven't quite grasped when it's better to use RAW and when ProRaw...I mean, if you want the full quality with the least loss of detail and most flexibility RAW is still the way to go? Or did I miss something?
I don't have the option to shoot an unprocessed RAW (DNG) in the 13PM. (I know you have a Mini, sorry, I'm just letting you in on this info.) ProRAW IS processed, to a certain extent. Ugh.
@@suzanne3t ok so RAW is still the way to go if I want to get the best possible file. I was curious because there's lots of third party apps enabling RAW shooting(Moment, Halide, even Lightroom if you have the paid plan) but I was still wandering which of the two formats retained more infos.
@@agoniavr RAW, definitely-though Apple's new ProRAW/DNG format isn't real RAW. As far as I know, no other camera app can bypass all of Apple's computation processing features, and that means some editing flexibility is lost. I'll be doing more research on this issue. Post if you learn more!
@@suzanne3t sure thing, and thanks for the infos so far!
Thats why i always asked my friends to touch the sky instead of me while taking pictures. They've been forgiven by pro raw as much as they deserved😅
Nice content
Anyone else more confused now than before watching this?
Jr. Kai
This is good information, but I don't like Cheng's pretentious attitude.
ProRAW is not a true RAW. It was my last iPhone I bought. Move to Pixel.
more like a monologue about legal issues about a video codec 😴
The video is too long
it’s an ad.