INTEL vs APPLE... TABLET VIDEO EDITING FACE-OFF!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 มิ.ย. 2024
- Can you use a tablet to edit video with Davinci Resolve? In this video we compare the iPad Pro with Surface Pro 9 to see whether Intel has caught up with Apple Silicon for video work.
Yes, it's probably a bit silly to do serious 4K video editing tests with tablets, but we all know that Apple's M1 and M2 chips have the ability, and now that Davinci Resolve is available for iPad... how does it compare to a similar tablet featuring Intel's i7-1255U?
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CHAPTERS
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0:00 Intro & tablet specs
2:07 Test overview
3:21 Encoders & decoders or GPU?
3:38 Timeline proxy resolution
4:01 iPad Pro timeline performance
4:26 Surface Pro 9 timeline performance
4:56 Rendering settings & process
5:53 H.264 render comparison
7:07 Initial reactions
7:32 H.265 render comparison
8:17 BRAW render comparison
8:58 Benchmarks don't tell the full story
9:31 Intel vs Apple Silicon
9:47 Video editing on a tablet?
10:28 The problem with M chips in iPads
10:47 Explaining the results
11:34 eGPU with Surface Pro?
12:06 eGPU explainer
13:03 Davinci Resolve Studio settings
13:45 Timeline performance
14:00 Rendering performance
15:27 IMPORTANT Disclaimer & eGPU conclusions
15:56 Conclusion - Apple Silicon benefits everybody
16:26 Charts
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I bought the surface pro a year ago so I could use the Adobe CS suite while 'on the go'. I've been very pleased with the performance.
I watched and enjoyed many of your videos and was very close to buying the M1 notebook. But for me, staying with Windows made more sense.
Glad to see you realize the value of a Surface pro. It's the nicest Windows machine I've used.
However, I'm surprised you didn't note the heat. Mine gets pretty hot using Premier pro.. and I think it slows down processing at high heat. I haven't done tests but it just seems like it.
Best to and your channel. Great video as always!
Can you feel the heat on the screen? Is it still comfortable to write on it when it’s hot?
@@agusugian I haven't noticed the heat on the screen, just the back; where the metal dissipates the heat. (it is the primary heat sink).. and it only gets hot when doing heavy processing.
I really enjoyed this video. You’re a man after my own heart!
I love to see (and conduct myself whenever I can) these thought experiments. Geekery indeed!
Great vid Dave!
Always good vids!
Great test!
Also would loved to see you do the same timeline but using BRAW only as the underlying codec for the whole timeline
Great info subscribed
Thank you 😊
There is a 32GB RAM Edition of the Surface Pro. I wonder if that would do any better?
Very cool idea. I know eGPU + QuickSync doesn't sound like a good idea, but did you test it? To me, using the QuickSync encoder sounds like less bandwidth being used in total because it's one less step of the pipeline using the eGPU.
Yes, we tested it and it’s a good deal quicker to set it to AMD.
Thanks for this video. Have you noticed the quality of the exports from Resolve on the iPad app to be of unacceptably low quality? Even using the hidden Deliver tab I seem to get exports with loads of compression artifacts and very low bitrate.
I haven’t but I will be taking a closer look at that in some deeper testing.
@@ConstantGeekery Thanks, these videos on the iPad version of Resolve are essentially all we have to reference, as Blackmagic Design didn't feel it necessary to publish a user guide apparently.
@@MinerDolan there is a manual for Reolve 18. It’s not iPad specific, but as it’s the same app you should be able to get something from it. I expect they will release training videos in due course for the iPad specifics.
documents.blackmagicdesign.com/UserManuals/DaVinci_Resolve_18_Reference_Manual.pdf?_v=1668153611000
Good stuff. I think this is showing the opposite to what a lot have hoped eg Final Cut on the ipad. I think they’ve (Apple ) made an agreement with DaVinci that they won’t release FCP for ipad hopefully it’s not for all there Apps well that only leaves logic and Motion but who knows..
I love the graphs. Could you do a cost per frame rendered ? or something similar. To show how much bang-for-buck you get.
Thanks.
Nice idea 👍🏻 I’ll try and remember that for next time.
Good video. Long time no see.
I enjoyed that. I can’t get DR to import media on my iPad, prob user error. Sticking with LumaFusion for now.
I know the M1 and M2 chips are obviously better, but I'd be interested to see the 2020 iPad Pro vs the Surface Pro.
I have the 11 inch 2020 iPad Pro and have thrown a lot of 4K videos at it, and it is really capable.
My iPad 9th Gen scrubs smoother than my Dell Inspiron 5000 Gaming laptop (Intel Core i7 7700HQ + GTX 1050 4GB VRAM + 16GB DDR4 RAM), using the free version of DaVinci Resolve on both.
you should do a side by side of the m1 vs m2 ipad with the same tests
Yes! Finally, Davinci Resolve tapping the sleeping potential of that M chip. Thanks for the review, and looking forward for more reviews
cant wait for your revieew of mac mini m2 pro :)!
Sir your video is SOOOOOOO well done 👍🏾👌🏾👍🏾👌🏾
Thank you 😊
I’ll take that red coffee mug over the devices. 😂
I appreciate your work. Thanks for the video.
For some reason, this video was incredibly difficult to understand. So in summary M1 beat the practical pants of the Surface? Spending 2K USD on the surface + eGpu isn't worth it for short timlines and renders that clock in minutes?
It’s a bit of fun that shows off the M1’s optimisation for video editing workflows. I tried to explain the process clearly, and as I said, I certainly don’t advocate a tablet for serious video editing, nor pairing a Surface Pro with an eGPU generally. But there are some takeaways:
1. M1 & M2 also feature in Macs and the i7-1255U is available in other laptops, so from that perspective the comparison may be useful for some.
2. There are tasks where the i7 beats the M1 and M2 chips. Benchmarks and single-focus tests like this don’t paint the complete picture.
3. eGPU offers benefits only in certain specific scenarios, and unless you have such a scenario, it’s rarely a good value proposition.
Affinity has released the desktop apps for ipad
Another great video. It's disappointing Apple hasn't released its own Pro Apps on iPad but I think the Pro/Max/Ultra platforms are its Pro App target. Just to note that video has been slow coming, 3D is even further away but image editing has been better on an iPad for some time with Affinity, Adobe & even Pixelmator products. Sketching/art is an iPad-first sector so iPads (if not tablets in general) moved beyond consumption devices years ago.
On Intel, I'm not convinced they have stepped up. The tested chip follows a marketing-centric design; a few hugely turbo boosted 'performance' cores + tons of not-so-efficiency cores + huge SIMDs = best of both worlds? Only for benchmarks simulating edge cases, not real workloads.
I do like the idea of devices docking with additional external hardware depending on the use case & though Apple should have a dedicated graphics card - for their Studio Display.
Concerning Apple releasing their pro apps, I believe they have agreed with third-party devs to not tread on their toes. So no FCP, which means DV Resolve was able to be developed knowing that it would not be usurped by an FCP iPad edition. This is great business management, as you want to support devs, so they can support iPadOS. Something sadly, many comments on here do not understand. Just use DV Resolve; it will be a learning curve, but it is a solid editor that is well-optimised.
@@andyH_England nice idea but I take it you're not familiar with the term "sherlocking". I think Apple wants to target/preserve their Mac market base and by aiming above the baseline. Apple learned their lessons from the 90/00s when trusting MS & Adobe almost killed them, they've run a hybrid/vertical model ever since.
This was one of the most ejoyable videos in a while! Really love it. It shows how much the M1 iPad could do if developers ported their desktop apps to it... Mine is mainly issed for youtube and streaming, that's why I still use the 2018 just as much as the M1... And even with Lumafusion there is not much difference in export times, the main difference is reloads due to RAM. I really hope more apps will come, I am waiting for a pro music app that is porting their full version to iPad, they are still testing, but should arrive soon. Wish more and more apps would work, including desktop Whatsapp...
My M2 iPad Pro is my only computing device and I make a very very good living. I edit all my video’s on the iPad Pro. I can’t wait for next years M3 iPad Pro🎉
This is such a peculiar comparison :) Thanks for this special review!
IMHO, actually, despite all the hype, DaVinci Resolve on iPad Pro...(who cares about it on the Surface? I really don't know...), DaVinci Resolve on iPad Pro is THE BEST things happened to Lumafusion :) The overall quality and the performance of DaVinci Resolve on iPad Pro (and on the Surface) is a JOKE!
Lumafusion rules them all :) It's still the best overall video editing software on mobile!
Uh how much time have you actually spent on DaVinci for iPad? I was a diehard LumaFusion guy but DaVinci beats the piss outta LumaFusion. It takes some getting used to but once you’re past the learning curve, there’s no looking back.
I want comparison of Huawei matepad 11 pro 2022 with ipad air 2022
Can you compare resolve on the m1 ipad and resolve on m1 MacBook?
That might be interesting 🤔 I am planning to do more testing with it.
They are busy putting ray tracing hardware on the M chip, and they are having problems. It's almost done...
the problem with Android and Windows is not the hardware it's the lacking of optimization on the 3rd party apps they do not give an effort to communicate to developers.
What if I told you, not everyone is a video editor?:) seems like apple mainly targeted them with the M chip?
😁 True, though they also have optimisations for image editing and do a good job in audio applications. Apple has always targeted these creative applications with their machines, even back in the Intel and PowerPC days, but the M chips certainly do punch well above their weight for video.
I recently bought a Apple Refurbished MacBook Pro m1 10 core and 16. Ore GPU, 15gb ram and 512gb storage for $2400cad.
Love it, works great and battery have o ly charged once. Used it for 4 hours of video screen scaring to tv as well Bluetooth audio to Bose speaker bar. Plus spent 2 hours setting it up and testing it. Still at 73% battery.
They are ridiculously good laptops!
Entertaining video. I totally agree with your comments that Apple Silicon has driven healthy competition. I find my 12.9-inch M1 iPad Pro a brilliant device that is made totally frustrating to use due to iPad OS. I do not like iPad OS's wall garden or overly complex touch gestures that the OS often misinterprets. For me, the touch interface on Windows 11 and Chrome OS laptops / 2 in 1s is about right. I would be extremely happy with Mac OS on an iPad Pro (large screen). When I was watching your video, I was amazed by the M1 iPad Pro's performance and the fact that it didn't need a PSU connected to sustain that performance, but also thinking one pro app doesn't make for a pro device! I would still select the Surface Pro 9 over an M series iPad Pro because overall it is a more capable computing device where you are free to install any apps you wish. Unfortunately, Apple Silicon is currently wasted on Apple, which is why I hope Nuvia processors or MediaTek et al drive further changes in the computing world.
I also have a lot of hopes pinned on Nuvia! Arm is the future, but we really need better chips in the PC space to drive competition and progress.
So … what's battery life like on the eGPU? 😁
😁 if only!
Final Cut is available for the IPad Pro
It wasn’t when this was filmed.
It was fun to watch. Intel 12th (and 13th) gen CPUs are terrible in terms of power efficiency. Having said that, they do so well when given enough juice (and cooling). An i5 with iGPU plus cheap Nvidia 3060 is likely to give you much better performance at comparable price if portability isn't a must. Just how many folks do seriously editing on the go on a tiny screen!
Glad you enjoyed it. I don't enjoy editing on the small screen, but I can see a lot of film and video production crews using it to preview rushes and do quick stuff on set/location. With Blackmagic Cloud, you can pick up a project on any device - start on iPad, move to Mac, or to Windows or Linux. All you have to do is relink media and off you go! It's brilliant!
@@ConstantGeekery Quick a dirty editing probably can get a way with proxies and lower resolution. But I think your point is still valid. It's interesting to see how new hardware capabilities can change the way video content is created, communicated and ultimately delivered.
What about file management? As a content creator, file management is very important.
iPadOS file management is certainly a hindrance to creative workflows.
@@ConstantGeekery I want to buy an sf9 in 2024 for my light video editing needs, is this device still relevant? is the device hot and noisy? give me a review of your daily use, thank you.
I think it's relevant as a portable/convertible tablet PC. Microsoft have released the SP10 "for Business", which isn't much different. It has a Meteor Lake CPU with an NPU for AI features like co-pilot. I expect the consumer version of the SP10 will be the same, but we might also get one running Qualcomm's Snapdragon X. If so, that will certainly narrow the performance and thermal gap to the iPad.
I don't use my Surface Pro for particularly heavy workloads, as I'm fortunate to have other more powerful machines for that, but on the occasions when I have pushed it, I wouldn't say it was particularly noisy. Of course, it's x86 and if you work it hard, it will run the fans and get hot. Some years ago I used a SP4 as my main machine, and that would spin the fans constantly - this one doesn't do that.
I've used this primarily for office tasks and note taking. It's a great all-rounder and I find the form factor very useful.
@@ConstantGeekery Thank you, your review helped me a lot. To be honest, I'm still hesitant because many people say the fan or temperature of the sf9 can turn on itself for light use or even without use, as someone who is used to silent devices (macbro m1 pro) honestly those 2 factors bother me. I'll reconsider my choice, considering this is the best windows portable device in my opinion.
@@WiikLyID fans are just part of life with x86. They will come on for background tasks and when charging - more so if you’re running in performance mode on Windows. That will change as Windows moves to Arm.
I see the SP9 is connected to power. Is that correct? Was the iPad connected to power? To me, the _REAL_ test of a "portable" machine is how it works on battery. If mains power is required to get the full performance, it's not a true portable machine. I _LOVE_ my (pre-M1) iPad Pro. I no longer own a laptop-- the iPad gives me everything I need in light and portable productivity computing. After 2 years, the battery is still giving me 10+ hours.
In my testing the SP9 can get very close to full power on battery, but like every other x86 machine, it benefits from being plugged in. This is, as I said, just a bit of fun and in real world use the SP9 offers the same battery life as the iPad Pro.
M1 does not have dedicated h.265 encoder. Right?
It does have encoders for H.264 and H.265, along with decoders for H.264, H.265 and ProRes.
@@ConstantGeekery, nope. M1pro, M1max & M1ultra have h.265 ENcoder. M1 does not. They all have DEcoders for every codec.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_M1#Other_features
There was a lot of discussion and news about this, when M1pro was released.
@@ConstantGeekery, ...and this makes your results even more interesting, doesn't it?
@@ConstantGeekery, Do you think you should correct this in video?
@@tokelahti correct what?
I don't think Apple is going to move Final Cut to iPadOS. They have been promoting DaVinci at every opportunity themselves and probably want to bow out from the NLE-market altogether soon enough.
You could be right. The pace at which Blackmagic Design release updates and features for Resolve is pretty hard for competitors to keep up with!
I think they will. They want to let 3rd parties shine first like they did with Airtags and the Find My network.
@@chidorirasenganz I suspect Blackmagic spoke with Apple and was promised that Apple would not release FCP, allowing DV Resolve to have the huge investment needed to develop and maintain it. If Apple releases FCP, it will destroy its reputation, and devs will have no interest in investing in iPadOS. This is very obviously a sensible decision by Apple to get iPadOS apps developed so it stays ahead of Android and destroys Windows for tablet-specific apps.
This aged badly
@@starnelf Indeed. Turned out I was dead-wrong about this one. Hey, there's a first time for everything!
Not a silly experiment at all. A cynical person might conclude that Intel has produced a chip which performs well in benchmarks alone. Also, Davinci thought it worth developing Resolve for the iPad so I feel this test is perfectly valid. So Geek away!
I live in the Apple ecosystem these days but several years ago I owned a Surface Pro 2 then moved up to the original Surface Book. I thought they were amazing devices.
They are great. I need to find something it beats the iPad at now for a revenge video!!
until amd and intel adds hardware accelerators i find pointless these kind of comparisons
i hope amd can come with a fpga accelerator soon, that will be interesting
They both have already have hardware encoders and decoders, as shown in this video. It's just that Apple's media engine is quicker... though some argue that it comes at the cost of quality of final output in the case of the encoder. I'll be doing more testing on that.
@@ConstantGeekery you do know what i mean by hardware accelerators, right? a repurposed intel gpu is not what im thinking
we need the m2 h.265 hardware accelerator counterpart that uses like 3 watts to do the same the m2 does but on x86
we dont have that, and tbh without it on a tablet, i was amazed by the results, m2 won but was like, 2 times faster only? i was expecting alot more
about image quality, you already heard the same about the intel gpu in the past i bet, most people end up saying that pure cpu power delivers the best image quality
it would be nice if you could make a video showing image patterns, color patterns like those used for camera quality comparison like those made by smartphone reviewers and then process the video on all 3 options, pure cpu, gpu and m2 accelerator
the problem would be youtube compression, but i bet you can find a solution
@@arch1107 I assumed you were talking about hardware encoders and decoders dedicated to H.264 and H.265/HEVC, like Apple’s Media Engine. In which case, Intel has Quick Sync, AMD has VCN and Nvidia has NVENC / NVDEC. True, they are not as energy efficient as Apple’s solution, nor as fast. Apple’s SoC approach with Unified Memory has a clear advantage., but it may not always be that way. I’m interested to see what the Nuvia/Qualcomm project can bring to the PC market.
test is incomplete, no ''power'' settings on surface, badly optimized OS choices on microsoft part.
Test was run with SP9 plugged in and on max performance setting.
@@ConstantGeekery ho, nice !
good to hear it, lot of people forget to mention it.
i'm a bit surprised of the difference tho, even if i will never go to mac because of their BS os and selling practices.
have a surface at home, plan on making a warranty claim on it XD
I suspect the iPad easily won the watthours per render in all tests, yes?
I should think so.
both shit today :S
im waiting for a tablet notebook with out fans with m1 performance
hoping
I have Surface pro 9, ipad pro M2 and Macbook Pro M1.
My take is this (assuming you don’t care about OS):
- do you just need a strong tablet? Buy ipad pro
- do you need workhorse laptop? Buy macbook pro
- do you need just one portable device that is okyish laptop and can be also used as a tablet? Buy surface pro
Surface pro isn’t really better in anything compared to the apple products but it can be reasonably well used as both a laptop (2/3) and a tablet (1/3)
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