This Dr. Mario Made Inconsistency Work For Him

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  • How did he do it? How did Tsumusuto take one of the game’s worst characters in Super Smash Bros Ultimate and made his way to top 3 at a major tournament? It's not often we see a low tier character make impressive runs such as this one. Let's take a look into how he took advantage of the tools given to him and and used his unique game plan to take down some incredible players!
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  • @micahbarrus8406
    @micahbarrus8406 ปีที่แล้ว +129

    I notice that you said the mii gunner had "intense zoning" while on screen was a mii gunner shooting grenades for a minute straight.

    • @pgstats
      @pgstats  ปีที่แล้ว +76

      yes. 🇹🇩

    • @rafabastos4609
      @rafabastos4609 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      ​@@pgstats lmao chad

  • @Dafins100
    @Dafins100 ปีที่แล้ว +294

    One of the best videos you’ve ever made. The analogy was incredible and the thoughtfulness and research was amazing. Loved it.

    • @fidel_soto
      @fidel_soto ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Definitely one of the videos ever made

    • @KingPhilipsRideshare
      @KingPhilipsRideshare ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@fidel_soto definitely a video

  • @adithahsan752
    @adithahsan752 ปีที่แล้ว +175

    This was a pretty ambitious topic, cool to see the videos evolving

  • @astra1288
    @astra1288 ปีที่แล้ว +357

    I’m not at all a basketball fan but I really appreciate people thinking about smash as a sport, not just an esport. Looking at corrolaries beyond smash can really help further our understandings of smash, especially if we look at competitions that have been around a lot longer than smash.

    • @miwe3719
      @miwe3719 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      It's a competition like other sports, but it's not a sport

    • @gaschum681
      @gaschum681 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      It’s still not a sport.

    • @joshsanchez4531
      @joshsanchez4531 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      its not a sport & esport is garbage. only a normie would say that

    • @gaschum681
      @gaschum681 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      @@joshsanchez4531 no way this dude thought that normie is a good insult, typed it out read it reread it and sent it with full confidence you’d make him feel bad.

    • @deadeyed2454
      @deadeyed2454 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@joshsanchez4531 1. You literally use normie as an insult.
      2. You sound more like a normie than he does.

  • @elemangell2981
    @elemangell2981 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    It's a shame to me that Dr. Mario isn't that good of a character in the games he's been in, because I absolutely love his game feel and design of being a powerful but slow bruiser, yet still retaining default Mario's more jack-of-all-trades qualities. Here's hoping this concept gets revisited in a future smash game or even a new platform fighter in general (Dan Fornace please I'm begging ya).

  • @PaperWill
    @PaperWill ปีที่แล้ว +3

    It's always a bummer that this kind of content feels doomed to lower views than it deserves. So much fantastic commentary, zero filler.

  • @yan_dj
    @yan_dj ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The 🏀 metaphor about a low tier's "consistent" means losing so inconsistent risks are key made my mind explode with how suddenly and perfectly it made me understand the concept

  • @Spyder-Marth
    @Spyder-Marth ปีที่แล้ว +51

    As a good Marth main and Dr. Mario fan, this video and title brings me joy.

  • @andysauro1500
    @andysauro1500 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    More Importantly, 85 characters means you have a greater chance of having the odd bracket run where you encounter more even or favorable matchups and avoid negative ones by sheer volume of the roster size and odds of matching up negatively.

  • @Kalimier777
    @Kalimier777 ปีที่แล้ว +53

    Y’all I cannot overstate how much I love your videos! Seriously one of my favourite channels!

  • @pinaheart_
    @pinaheart_ ปีที่แล้ว +21

    I main Dr Mario and jigglypuff, and it makes me happy to see someone succeed with the doc, he has potential in the right hands

    • @gabrielmoravargas4728
      @gabrielmoravargas4728 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Me too! Lol

    • @5L1M3N1NJ4
      @5L1M3N1NJ4 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Seein somebody perform well wit doc just gies me hope as a doc main

  • @Droopyballer
    @Droopyballer ปีที่แล้ว +10

    As a basketball super fan, this made me so unbelievably happy

  • @rixrobin
    @rixrobin ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Didn’t learn much about smash but learned a ton about basketball.
    Great video!

  • @eagletime92
    @eagletime92 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    Excellent video. Not sure how many people in the venn diagram of smash and basketball fan this resonated with, but just know I was one of them.

  • @AshenDemon
    @AshenDemon ปีที่แล้ว +17

    12:50 Such skillful edge guarding. How do I get this good.

    • @greedo194
      @greedo194 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Play krool, backthrow then press nair

    • @AshenDemon
      @AshenDemon ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@greedo194 After gaining this knowledge I went on to become the best smash player in my region and now have become so good that I will go on to beat players like Mkleo, Sparg0, Riddles and many more

  • @Spyder-Marth
    @Spyder-Marth ปีที่แล้ว +43

    Hey PGStats. When you get the chance, I recommend making a video focused on Akakikusu. In my opinion, he's the best Hero main in the world. A lot of people think playing Hero is only viable if you're "lucky," but Akakikusu's existence rips that view apart. He's so consistent even without getting crits or using down special. He's just good all around. He doesn't travel outside of Japan much, but that's because of the whole language barrier thing (which probably won't be an issue pretty soon. According to some rumors, Akakikusu is practicing playing Hero in English).

    • @dj_senf6741
      @dj_senf6741 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I would want him to travel so much, one of the sickest players

  • @DI_IDER
    @DI_IDER ปีที่แล้ว +35

    Finally DOC getting the love and respect he deserves.

    • @williamwest9204
      @williamwest9204 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That sakurai denied him

    • @tree2992
      @tree2992 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I feel like the whole point of this video was that Doc doesn't deserve respect. In fact, his only shot at winning is by disrespecting his opponent.

    • @NightRaven5568
      @NightRaven5568 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@tree2992 No doc definitely deserves respect as an underdog like every low and bottom tier does

    • @jmurray1110
      @jmurray1110 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I do wish he had a better recovery doctor tornado alone makes me prefer him over Mario (I kind of hate flood I know it’s a really good move but I just don’t like using it)

    • @NightRaven5568
      @NightRaven5568 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@jmurray1110 Yea me too if he had a better recovery he still will not be good cause he has a bigger flaw but it would make him at least a bit better

  • @boiledtoddler
    @boiledtoddler ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I used to be a doc main at my local before I quit the game due to losing 80% of my matches. I’ve been searching for a reason to go back and now I know what I must do

  • @jaredo_jpeg
    @jaredo_jpeg ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This…. Is a piece of art wtf. Wow. One of my favorite videos ever wow

  • @mamotalemankoe3775
    @mamotalemankoe3775 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Very underrated channel. This was a very well researched, well written nicely paced video full of depth and detail with such a cool analogy. Keep them coming.

  • @psycular
    @psycular ปีที่แล้ว +3

    such a well made video especially with the basketball analogy and sports strategy comparisons

  • @lasershow2626
    @lasershow2626 ปีที่แล้ว

    I love the variety of all these videos, and they are so well done. I also really enjoy seeing about strange characters doing well and analyzing why is really interesting.

  • @ayar2
    @ayar2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I was just here for something to play in the background while working, and left with a history class for some NBA Teams.

  • @ajregalia1334
    @ajregalia1334 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    THIS WAS INCREDIBLE!!
    The analogies, breakdown of strategy and mindset, comparisons and history of basketball to competitive play, statistics
    Loved this video, more of these please!

  • @tuckisbad
    @tuckisbad ปีที่แล้ว +6

    as a basketball fan im so glad that basketball made it into a smashbros video lol

  • @Brumy-os4tx
    @Brumy-os4tx ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hands down best video from y’all, and your videos are always really good. Thanks for the great smash analysis, for such a small team you guys are godlike 👍🏼

  • @Kiwi-ku1ui
    @Kiwi-ku1ui ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Not a basketball fan but I enjoy when people apply teachings and philosophies to other areas or fields. Really cool analysis

  • @sagacious03
    @sagacious03 ปีที่แล้ว

    Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading! I love seeing how the intricate moves the players made are explained, as opposed to just being told that they're skillful!

  • @taylorpagani9515
    @taylorpagani9515 ปีที่แล้ว

    Absolutely incredible video. The sports fan, smash fan, and nerding out over numbers fan in me was excited the entire time. ALSO WAS THAT NBA JAM TOURNAMENT EDITION MUSIC PLAYING?!

  • @shivdmanwii
    @shivdmanwii ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Loved the detailed analysis on interactions per match, risk vs reward, and exploiting a specific character's weaknesses that make them where they are on the tier list as well as the comparison to our other less balanced smash game where some of th lower tiers simply do not even have good options. It's what a lot of people don't understand about tier lists and what makes a character good or bad

  • @amphicyon4359
    @amphicyon4359 ปีที่แล้ว

    Wow, this vide was really in depth. Nice work!

  • @theBestInvertebrate
    @theBestInvertebrate ปีที่แล้ว

    Man, this was a really good video, I rather liked how it took a general concept not specific to smash then applied it in a way that explains smash and in turn the concept. I would love to see more like this.

  • @linkonedgell894
    @linkonedgell894 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It's so strange to me how many nerds still love basketball, for whatever reason it's the main sport that still appeal to us.

  • @himbochic
    @himbochic ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The scary truth that esports and live sports are conceptually the same

  • @scramble7902
    @scramble7902 ปีที่แล้ว

    Competition is awesome. So cool to compare two things like baskeball and smash bros while having it make so much sense. Great content.

  • @Chokken97
    @Chokken97 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just wanted to say the slo-mo effects were super cool.

  • @BadRayy
    @BadRayy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Smash, basketball analogy, Warriors, We Believe team, all in the same video?!? Bliss.

  • @geekey3441
    @geekey3441 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i find it very funny that basketball was put into this. but i respect it

  • @ultinat
    @ultinat ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I love how l4st basically just wanted to talk about basketball in this video 🤣

  • @cyclo_17
    @cyclo_17 ปีที่แล้ว

    That slow motion doc f smash is catastrophic everytime 8:52

  • @deyanmatos567
    @deyanmatos567 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As a basketball fan myself, I had never imagined such an amazing video, great analogy, such an interesting topic. Thanks for this great work you've been doing.

  • @ericb5328
    @ericb5328 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Doc has berm my main since melee. It's a difficult life. Things like this are inspiring to see

  • @ThePrescriber
    @ThePrescriber ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Doctor Mario is honestly probably the most underrated character in the entire game overall, his tools & his combo strings is very good overall, I'm very happy as a 10 year Doc main to see this stuff covered, as a Doc player I myself have gotten upsets like on BigBoss myself in a Online Tourney, so overall proud of Tsumusuto

    • @Spyder-Marth
      @Spyder-Marth ปีที่แล้ว +3

      He's honestly more underrated than Corrin and Marth ever was in Ultimate. When I first played Doc, I thought "THIS guy is bottom tier?" I thought he was mid tier but nobody believed me. Now that he's actually getting results, people have to actually observe him.
      The same thing happened with post-buff Corrin. Cosmos dropped her very quickly and people thought she sucked, but then Pink Fresh, Ly, Shadic, and MKLeo got the results with her and now people are saying she's high tier (including top players). Apparently this is happening with Marth, too. People thought he was trash because Leo dropped pre-buffed Marth. Marth got buffs, and now Stretch and Ignaize are pulling off some crazy stuff. They haven't won majors yet, but just watching them play makes it undeniable that Marth mains have a LOT of potential. They get better and better as time goes and have good records against several top players. Ignaize actually beat Skyjay a few times in bracket.

    • @ThePrescriber
      @ThePrescriber ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Spyder-Marth For sure, To me in all honesty Tier lists don't determine how I play this character, I for one have competed & consistently gotten Top 4's as Doc, he's someone that people who come across & say "This will be free" then opposite of their expectation, I'm happy to know you as well you feel the same way for sure my friend 🦾

    • @Spyder-Marth
      @Spyder-Marth ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ThePrescriber Once again, I agree! Great minds think alike 😉.

    • @drcreed6320
      @drcreed6320 ปีที่แล้ว

      >online

    • @ThePrescriber
      @ThePrescriber ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@drcreed6320 Even if it's Online, the average would have a hard time, just cuz it's online it doesn't mean it has any value, it does especially for improving in general

  • @roboticus9518
    @roboticus9518 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Really interesting video. Lessons to be learned here even for beyond smash.

  • @sejinaldo
    @sejinaldo ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Great video, gives me shades of CoreAGaming, hope to see more of this.

  • @Elix_Seven
    @Elix_Seven ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! Thoroughly enjoyed it!

  • @silvesta5027
    @silvesta5027 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Maesuma 9 was insane. This was a tournament where a Doc player outplaced Gackt, Ken, Atelier, Kome AND Proto. Japan’s meta is just different

  • @josezuluaga5180
    @josezuluaga5180 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Holy shit man what an awesome video. Great analogy, explanation and story telling! Thank for the break down

  • @macmatt72
    @macmatt72 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very well-made thesis! Respect to the ambitious idea

  • @janswhatsupdoc
    @janswhatsupdoc ปีที่แล้ว +29

    Tsumo and bacon are example of players who simply love paying doc since they’re fun for them.
    Imagine if They played vanilla Mario or fuck it literally any other better char

    • @Spyder-Marth
      @Spyder-Marth ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Exactly. I wish we'd see more of this at top level, but most players are so focused on winning they just main whoever is considered top 15.
      Sparg0 is a great example of a top player who dropped a top 3 chatting for a character he loved, and is still top 2 or 3 in the world. (And before anyone says anything, I do NOT think Cloud is top tier. If he is, he's bottom top tier).

    • @janswhatsupdoc
      @janswhatsupdoc ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@Spyder-Marth Sparg0 does carry cloud fr at the same time Nairo a tier hore for sleeping on cloud

    • @JonnyCrawford
      @JonnyCrawford ปีที่แล้ว +6

      As much as I'd want to agree with this I think this video kind of emphasizes why Tsumo's playstyle fits doc better and would play better than he ever would be with mario

    • @janswhatsupdoc
      @janswhatsupdoc ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JonnyCrawford fair enough

    • @farafra3763
      @farafra3763 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Shuton said that Shisshou the Doc player from Kyushuu , goes even against him when they play random characters. that implies that Shisshou has great fundies and is capable of playing multiple characters at a high level in a similar fashion to Zackray or Rizeasu .
      but funny enough , apparently he would only play Doc in tournaments because he simply enjoys the character the most and finds it more satisfying to win with him .

  • @farafra3763
    @farafra3763 ปีที่แล้ว

    love these vids . I appreciate the effort !

  • @beszt95
    @beszt95 ปีที่แล้ว

    made me want to actually play ult for once, really nice vid!

  • @Wadosan
    @Wadosan ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a really interesting look at this, as a (kind of) low tier main myself in Icies, my answer for top tiers has always been to play the safest defensive option and try to win a war of attrition, hoping my opponent becomes impatient enough to make a bad move. I guess I’ll get back to the lab and see what kind of trickier setups I could get away with in those seemingly unwinnable matchups.

  • @conloon1077
    @conloon1077 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Came here to learn about smash, ended up learning that I like basketball a lot

  • @eugenebergeron
    @eugenebergeron ปีที่แล้ว

    I just leave a comment for the algorithm, because this video is extraordinarily well done and super interesting. Incredible quality and very relevant analogy and researchs

  • @LelanWellz
    @LelanWellz ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Absolutely loved the basketball reference

  • @gibbous00
    @gibbous00 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh my God the Jazz reference… I’m such a basketball guy and I’m addicted to smash. The worlds I nerd in have finally collided. This is amazing. Thank you for this

  • @rafaelbordoni516
    @rafaelbordoni516 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My heart broke for that DK.

  • @toddlewisstudio7982
    @toddlewisstudio7982 ปีที่แล้ว

    What an excellent video review. So interesting!

  • @MattDustyParker
    @MattDustyParker ปีที่แล้ว

    Good video. Appreciate the math and the analogy

  • @jessie1078
    @jessie1078 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Holy shit, never thought I'd see sports analytics used to talk about smash. This rules, thank you for the fantastic vid

  • @aaronjayadriano8363
    @aaronjayadriano8363 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The editing at 8:33 made that the hardest read of all time. So disgusting

  • @IAteMySink
    @IAteMySink ปีที่แล้ว

    8:43 This feels like a Sherlock Holmes fight

  • @nile1790
    @nile1790 ปีที่แล้ว

    Being a basketball fan honestly I was surprised and really impressed with the analogy. I’d love to see more analogies like that if possible

  • @joaquinvillasenor4818
    @joaquinvillasenor4818 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am a basketball fan and absolutely loved this video. Thank you!

  • @dxcSOUL
    @dxcSOUL ปีที่แล้ว

    This is literally next level analysis. This type of work brings eSports closer to being considered actual sports. Bravo 👏

  • @ThirtyfourEC
    @ThirtyfourEC ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Never thought I'd see Rob ballin

  • @christianrodriguez-lm3qm
    @christianrodriguez-lm3qm ปีที่แล้ว

    never thought i would see a basketball reference. but im glad you guys did !

  • @MilfSlayr
    @MilfSlayr ปีที่แล้ว

    This feels like a core-a-gaming video

  • @ExpandDong420
    @ExpandDong420 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was not expecting to hear this much about basketball in a smash video but here I am

  • @Kowjja
    @Kowjja ปีที่แล้ว

    Shoutout to the editor
    Great work to everyone

  • @scraps7624
    @scraps7624 ปีที่แล้ว

    Godlike video, amazing work

  • @private5022
    @private5022 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This deserves more views

  • @sullivanish
    @sullivanish ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Doc isn't even like a bottom bottom character imo he honestly is just worse wolf which isn't bad and a projectile that combos. His recovery still shit tho but his neutral and advantage is surprisingly good

    • @sullivanish
      @sullivanish ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Maybe not good for his advantage but he gets decent damage from each combo and they aren't intensely hard or anything

  • @StepCat
    @StepCat ปีที่แล้ว

    amazing video guys, honestly

  • @prestonsasaki
    @prestonsasaki ปีที่แล้ว

    The comparisons from Smash to professional basketball were so smart. Playing around inconsistency isn't something that a lot of people talk about, and it's such an interesting topic to think about

  • @toniv4903
    @toniv4903 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Doc is one of the funnest and most hype characters to play and watch! Mii Gunner on the other hand feels like fighting cancer…

  • @marsieg8394
    @marsieg8394 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yooo this just came out and then Franz the melee dr.mario player just placed pretty high in a tournament that included a couple big names (Fiction, S2J)
    Good timing smash is sick

  • @beef5050
    @beef5050 ปีที่แล้ว

    love the basketball analogies

  • @hamburgler1811
    @hamburgler1811 ปีที่แล้ว

    this video made me appreciate smash as a game, what a fantastic thing

  • @aaronarroyo403
    @aaronarroyo403 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is God like production quality

  • @Spiderdridri
    @Spiderdridri ปีที่แล้ว +11

    the amount of work put into these videos makes me literally speechless. incredible job!

  • @garjopogi1044
    @garjopogi1044 ปีที่แล้ว

    Woah my love for basketball and smash have come together? Dream video.

  • @Nards_1997
    @Nards_1997 ปีที่แล้ว

    12:50 looks like a typical match on Elite Smash

  • @alsager777
    @alsager777 ปีที่แล้ว

    With all due respect but Comona's narration is on another level.

  • @xxvolcomxx56
    @xxvolcomxx56 ปีที่แล้ว

    this guy is seriously goated. such an analytical mind

  • @HoshiArt
    @HoshiArt ปีที่แล้ว +1

    “Cleared 5 out of 15 socks”

  • @theilest33
    @theilest33 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the basketball metaphor

  • @dougsauce8004
    @dougsauce8004 ปีที่แล้ว

    Make all your content like this PLEASEE

  • @hecty8667
    @hecty8667 ปีที่แล้ว

    This reminds me of game theory lmao this is amazing

  • @EigoSensei
    @EigoSensei ปีที่แล้ว

    These videos are so good

  • @AshenDemon
    @AshenDemon ปีที่แล้ว +1

    0:05 I swear to god that describes Ultimate so well. Fighter Pass 2 Specifically dominates this games meta.

  • @georgewashington3505
    @georgewashington3505 ปีที่แล้ว

    Only thing I thought this whole video was…
    “this guy is getting a subscription and a bell”

  • @quinn7427
    @quinn7427 ปีที่แล้ว

    Basketball talk just goes in one ear out the other lol...

  • @jrs2392
    @jrs2392 ปีที่แล้ว

    As a huge basketball fan I loved this video

  • @craigothelegend4925
    @craigothelegend4925 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Need a PGSports page tbh

  • @DrunkPanda239
    @DrunkPanda239 ปีที่แล้ว

    12:45 classic mii gunner

  • @shootaslay
    @shootaslay ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing video.

  • @wyattchucklemaster2266
    @wyattchucklemaster2266 ปีที่แล้ว

    Love the comparison to the NBA!

  • @lobanaoz7863
    @lobanaoz7863 ปีที่แล้ว

    I was listening to this in the background slightly unfocused, then i heard Michael Jordan was a Steve player and had to rewind