I’m not at all a basketball fan but I really appreciate people thinking about smash as a sport, not just an esport. Looking at corrolaries beyond smash can really help further our understandings of smash, especially if we look at competitions that have been around a lot longer than smash.
@@joshsanchez4531 no way this dude thought that normie is a good insult, typed it out read it reread it and sent it with full confidence you’d make him feel bad.
It's a shame to me that Dr. Mario isn't that good of a character in the games he's been in, because I absolutely love his game feel and design of being a powerful but slow bruiser, yet still retaining default Mario's more jack-of-all-trades qualities. Here's hoping this concept gets revisited in a future smash game or even a new platform fighter in general (Dan Fornace please I'm begging ya).
It really is a shame how bad he is in ultimate but at least in melee he is considered a good-decent character. I play him a lot and I feel like he's underrated, his projectile is really good and his cape can completely ruin the recoveries of some of the top tiers and most importantly he has such a perfect weight that it makes it hard to combo him and almost impossible to chain grab him. If someone pushed him enough I do believe he could be considered a low high tier.
More Importantly, 85 characters means you have a greater chance of having the odd bracket run where you encounter more even or favorable matchups and avoid negative ones by sheer volume of the roster size and odds of matching up negatively.
The 🏀 metaphor about a low tier's "consistent" means losing so inconsistent risks are key made my mind explode with how suddenly and perfectly it made me understand the concept
@@greedo194 After gaining this knowledge I went on to become the best smash player in my region and now have become so good that I will go on to beat players like Mkleo, Sparg0, Riddles and many more
Hey PGStats. When you get the chance, I recommend making a video focused on Akakikusu. In my opinion, he's the best Hero main in the world. A lot of people think playing Hero is only viable if you're "lucky," but Akakikusu's existence rips that view apart. He's so consistent even without getting crits or using down special. He's just good all around. He doesn't travel outside of Japan much, but that's because of the whole language barrier thing (which probably won't be an issue pretty soon. According to some rumors, Akakikusu is practicing playing Hero in English).
Very underrated channel. This was a very well researched, well written nicely paced video full of depth and detail with such a cool analogy. Keep them coming.
I do wish he had a better recovery doctor tornado alone makes me prefer him over Mario (I kind of hate flood I know it’s a really good move but I just don’t like using it)
I used to be a doc main at my local before I quit the game due to losing 80% of my matches. I’ve been searching for a reason to go back and now I know what I must do
Tsumo and bacon are example of players who simply love paying doc since they’re fun for them. Imagine if They played vanilla Mario or fuck it literally any other better char
Exactly. I wish we'd see more of this at top level, but most players are so focused on winning they just main whoever is considered top 15. Sparg0 is a great example of a top player who dropped a top 3 chatting for a character he loved, and is still top 2 or 3 in the world. (And before anyone says anything, I do NOT think Cloud is top tier. If he is, he's bottom top tier).
As much as I'd want to agree with this I think this video kind of emphasizes why Tsumo's playstyle fits doc better and would play better than he ever would be with mario
Shuton said that Shisshou the Doc player from Kyushuu , goes even against him when they play random characters. that implies that Shisshou has great fundies and is capable of playing multiple characters at a high level in a similar fashion to Zackray or Rizeasu . but funny enough , apparently he would only play Doc in tournaments because he simply enjoys the character the most and finds it more satisfying to win with him .
Loved the detailed analysis on interactions per match, risk vs reward, and exploiting a specific character's weaknesses that make them where they are on the tier list as well as the comparison to our other less balanced smash game where some of th lower tiers simply do not even have good options. It's what a lot of people don't understand about tier lists and what makes a character good or bad
THIS WAS INCREDIBLE!! The analogies, breakdown of strategy and mindset, comparisons and history of basketball to competitive play, statistics Loved this video, more of these please!
Doctor Mario is honestly probably the most underrated character in the entire game overall, his tools & his combo strings is very good overall, I'm very happy as a 10 year Doc main to see this stuff covered, as a Doc player I myself have gotten upsets like on BigBoss myself in a Online Tourney, so overall proud of Tsumusuto
He's honestly more underrated than Corrin and Marth ever was in Ultimate. When I first played Doc, I thought "THIS guy is bottom tier?" I thought he was mid tier but nobody believed me. Now that he's actually getting results, people have to actually observe him. The same thing happened with post-buff Corrin. Cosmos dropped her very quickly and people thought she sucked, but then Pink Fresh, Ly, Shadic, and MKLeo got the results with her and now people are saying she's high tier (including top players). Apparently this is happening with Marth, too. People thought he was trash because Leo dropped pre-buffed Marth. Marth got buffs, and now Stretch and Ignaize are pulling off some crazy stuff. They haven't won majors yet, but just watching them play makes it undeniable that Marth mains have a LOT of potential. They get better and better as time goes and have good records against several top players. Ignaize actually beat Skyjay a few times in bracket.
@@Spyder-Marth For sure, To me in all honesty Tier lists don't determine how I play this character, I for one have competed & consistently gotten Top 4's as Doc, he's someone that people who come across & say "This will be free" then opposite of their expectation, I'm happy to know you as well you feel the same way for sure my friend 🦾
@@drcreed6320 Even if it's Online, the average would have a hard time, just cuz it's online it doesn't mean it has any value, it does especially for improving in general
Absolutely incredible video. The sports fan, smash fan, and nerding out over numbers fan in me was excited the entire time. ALSO WAS THAT NBA JAM TOURNAMENT EDITION MUSIC PLAYING?!
I love the variety of all these videos, and they are so well done. I also really enjoy seeing about strange characters doing well and analyzing why is really interesting.
Oh my God the Jazz reference… I’m such a basketball guy and I’m addicted to smash. The worlds I nerd in have finally collided. This is amazing. Thank you for this
Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading! I love seeing how the intricate moves the players made are explained, as opposed to just being told that they're skillful!
Hands down best video from y’all, and your videos are always really good. Thanks for the great smash analysis, for such a small team you guys are godlike 👍🏼
The comparisons from Smash to professional basketball were so smart. Playing around inconsistency isn't something that a lot of people talk about, and it's such an interesting topic to think about
As a basketball fan myself, I had never imagined such an amazing video, great analogy, such an interesting topic. Thanks for this great work you've been doing.
Doc isn't even like a bottom bottom character imo he honestly is just worse wolf which isn't bad and a projectile that combos. His recovery still shit tho but his neutral and advantage is surprisingly good
Man, this was a really good video, I rather liked how it took a general concept not specific to smash then applied it in a way that explains smash and in turn the concept. I would love to see more like this.
This is a really interesting look at this, as a (kind of) low tier main myself in Icies, my answer for top tiers has always been to play the safest defensive option and try to win a war of attrition, hoping my opponent becomes impatient enough to make a bad move. I guess I’ll get back to the lab and see what kind of trickier setups I could get away with in those seemingly unwinnable matchups.
Yooo this just came out and then Franz the melee dr.mario player just placed pretty high in a tournament that included a couple big names (Fiction, S2J) Good timing smash is sick
I just leave a comment for the algorithm, because this video is extraordinarily well done and super interesting. Incredible quality and very relevant analogy and researchs
do more of these for melee. If you like breaking these down, you'll have more longevity doing it for melee as there's more intricacy and less of a chance of the game dying so soon.
One of the best videos you’ve ever made. The analogy was incredible and the thoughtfulness and research was amazing. Loved it.
Definitely one of the videos ever made
@@fidel_soto definitely a video
I notice that you said the mii gunner had "intense zoning" while on screen was a mii gunner shooting grenades for a minute straight.
yes. 🇹🇩
@@pgstats lmao chad
I’m not at all a basketball fan but I really appreciate people thinking about smash as a sport, not just an esport. Looking at corrolaries beyond smash can really help further our understandings of smash, especially if we look at competitions that have been around a lot longer than smash.
It's a competition like other sports, but it's not a sport
It’s still not a sport.
its not a sport & esport is garbage. only a normie would say that
@@joshsanchez4531 no way this dude thought that normie is a good insult, typed it out read it reread it and sent it with full confidence you’d make him feel bad.
@@joshsanchez4531 1. You literally use normie as an insult.
2. You sound more like a normie than he does.
This was a pretty ambitious topic, cool to see the videos evolving
It's always a bummer that this kind of content feels doomed to lower views than it deserves. So much fantastic commentary, zero filler.
It's a shame to me that Dr. Mario isn't that good of a character in the games he's been in, because I absolutely love his game feel and design of being a powerful but slow bruiser, yet still retaining default Mario's more jack-of-all-trades qualities. Here's hoping this concept gets revisited in a future smash game or even a new platform fighter in general (Dan Fornace please I'm begging ya).
It really is a shame how bad he is in ultimate but at least in melee he is considered a good-decent character.
I play him a lot and I feel like he's underrated, his projectile is really good and his cape can completely ruin the recoveries of some of the top tiers and most importantly he has such a perfect weight that it makes it hard to combo him and almost impossible to chain grab him.
If someone pushed him enough I do believe he could be considered a low high tier.
More Importantly, 85 characters means you have a greater chance of having the odd bracket run where you encounter more even or favorable matchups and avoid negative ones by sheer volume of the roster size and odds of matching up negatively.
As a good Marth main and Dr. Mario fan, this video and title brings me joy.
Y’all I cannot overstate how much I love your videos! Seriously one of my favourite channels!
I main Dr Mario and jigglypuff, and it makes me happy to see someone succeed with the doc, he has potential in the right hands
Me too! Lol
Seein somebody perform well wit doc just gies me hope as a doc main
The 🏀 metaphor about a low tier's "consistent" means losing so inconsistent risks are key made my mind explode with how suddenly and perfectly it made me understand the concept
12:50 Such skillful edge guarding. How do I get this good.
Play krool, backthrow then press nair
@@greedo194 After gaining this knowledge I went on to become the best smash player in my region and now have become so good that I will go on to beat players like Mkleo, Sparg0, Riddles and many more
Hey PGStats. When you get the chance, I recommend making a video focused on Akakikusu. In my opinion, he's the best Hero main in the world. A lot of people think playing Hero is only viable if you're "lucky," but Akakikusu's existence rips that view apart. He's so consistent even without getting crits or using down special. He's just good all around. He doesn't travel outside of Japan much, but that's because of the whole language barrier thing (which probably won't be an issue pretty soon. According to some rumors, Akakikusu is practicing playing Hero in English).
I would want him to travel so much, one of the sickest players
Very underrated channel. This was a very well researched, well written nicely paced video full of depth and detail with such a cool analogy. Keep them coming.
Finally DOC getting the love and respect he deserves.
That sakurai denied him
I feel like the whole point of this video was that Doc doesn't deserve respect. In fact, his only shot at winning is by disrespecting his opponent.
@@tree2992 No doc definitely deserves respect as an underdog like every low and bottom tier does
I do wish he had a better recovery doctor tornado alone makes me prefer him over Mario (I kind of hate flood I know it’s a really good move but I just don’t like using it)
@@jmurray1110 Yea me too if he had a better recovery he still will not be good cause he has a bigger flaw but it would make him at least a bit better
As a basketball super fan, this made me so unbelievably happy
Didn’t learn much about smash but learned a ton about basketball.
Great video!
I used to be a doc main at my local before I quit the game due to losing 80% of my matches. I’ve been searching for a reason to go back and now I know what I must do
Excellent video. Not sure how many people in the venn diagram of smash and basketball fan this resonated with, but just know I was one of them.
Tsumo and bacon are example of players who simply love paying doc since they’re fun for them.
Imagine if They played vanilla Mario or fuck it literally any other better char
Exactly. I wish we'd see more of this at top level, but most players are so focused on winning they just main whoever is considered top 15.
Sparg0 is a great example of a top player who dropped a top 3 chatting for a character he loved, and is still top 2 or 3 in the world. (And before anyone says anything, I do NOT think Cloud is top tier. If he is, he's bottom top tier).
@@Spyder-Marth Sparg0 does carry cloud fr at the same time Nairo a tier hore for sleeping on cloud
As much as I'd want to agree with this I think this video kind of emphasizes why Tsumo's playstyle fits doc better and would play better than he ever would be with mario
@@JonnyCrawford fair enough
Shuton said that Shisshou the Doc player from Kyushuu , goes even against him when they play random characters. that implies that Shisshou has great fundies and is capable of playing multiple characters at a high level in a similar fashion to Zackray or Rizeasu .
but funny enough , apparently he would only play Doc in tournaments because he simply enjoys the character the most and finds it more satisfying to win with him .
Loved the detailed analysis on interactions per match, risk vs reward, and exploiting a specific character's weaknesses that make them where they are on the tier list as well as the comparison to our other less balanced smash game where some of th lower tiers simply do not even have good options. It's what a lot of people don't understand about tier lists and what makes a character good or bad
The scary truth that esports and live sports are conceptually the same
The editing at 8:33 made that the hardest read of all time. So disgusting
THIS WAS INCREDIBLE!!
The analogies, breakdown of strategy and mindset, comparisons and history of basketball to competitive play, statistics
Loved this video, more of these please!
It's so strange to me how many nerds still love basketball, for whatever reason it's the main sport that still appeal to us.
Doctor Mario is honestly probably the most underrated character in the entire game overall, his tools & his combo strings is very good overall, I'm very happy as a 10 year Doc main to see this stuff covered, as a Doc player I myself have gotten upsets like on BigBoss myself in a Online Tourney, so overall proud of Tsumusuto
He's honestly more underrated than Corrin and Marth ever was in Ultimate. When I first played Doc, I thought "THIS guy is bottom tier?" I thought he was mid tier but nobody believed me. Now that he's actually getting results, people have to actually observe him.
The same thing happened with post-buff Corrin. Cosmos dropped her very quickly and people thought she sucked, but then Pink Fresh, Ly, Shadic, and MKLeo got the results with her and now people are saying she's high tier (including top players). Apparently this is happening with Marth, too. People thought he was trash because Leo dropped pre-buffed Marth. Marth got buffs, and now Stretch and Ignaize are pulling off some crazy stuff. They haven't won majors yet, but just watching them play makes it undeniable that Marth mains have a LOT of potential. They get better and better as time goes and have good records against several top players. Ignaize actually beat Skyjay a few times in bracket.
@@Spyder-Marth For sure, To me in all honesty Tier lists don't determine how I play this character, I for one have competed & consistently gotten Top 4's as Doc, he's someone that people who come across & say "This will be free" then opposite of their expectation, I'm happy to know you as well you feel the same way for sure my friend 🦾
@@ThePrescriber Once again, I agree! Great minds think alike 😉.
>online
@@drcreed6320 Even if it's Online, the average would have a hard time, just cuz it's online it doesn't mean it has any value, it does especially for improving in general
This…. Is a piece of art wtf. Wow. One of my favorite videos ever wow
as a basketball fan im so glad that basketball made it into a smashbros video lol
Not a basketball fan but I enjoy when people apply teachings and philosophies to other areas or fields. Really cool analysis
Absolutely incredible video. The sports fan, smash fan, and nerding out over numbers fan in me was excited the entire time. ALSO WAS THAT NBA JAM TOURNAMENT EDITION MUSIC PLAYING?!
I was just here for something to play in the background while working, and left with a history class for some NBA Teams.
Maesuma 9 was insane. This was a tournament where a Doc player outplaced Gackt, Ken, Atelier, Kome AND Proto. Japan’s meta is just different
Came here to learn about smash, ended up learning that I like basketball a lot
such a well made video especially with the basketball analogy and sports strategy comparisons
That slow motion doc f smash is catastrophic everytime 8:52
I love how l4st basically just wanted to talk about basketball in this video 🤣
Doc has berm my main since melee. It's a difficult life. Things like this are inspiring to see
Just wanted to say the slo-mo effects were super cool.
i find it very funny that basketball was put into this. but i respect it
Shoutout to the editor
Great work to everyone
Great video, gives me shades of CoreAGaming, hope to see more of this.
Competition is awesome. So cool to compare two things like baskeball and smash bros while having it make so much sense. Great content.
Really interesting video. Lessons to be learned here even for beyond smash.
Smash, basketball analogy, Warriors, We Believe team, all in the same video?!? Bliss.
Absolutely loved the basketball reference
I love the variety of all these videos, and they are so well done. I also really enjoy seeing about strange characters doing well and analyzing why is really interesting.
Oh my God the Jazz reference… I’m such a basketball guy and I’m addicted to smash. The worlds I nerd in have finally collided. This is amazing. Thank you for this
Wow, this vide was really in depth. Nice work!
Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading! I love seeing how the intricate moves the players made are explained, as opposed to just being told that they're skillful!
Hands down best video from y’all, and your videos are always really good. Thanks for the great smash analysis, for such a small team you guys are godlike 👍🏼
Holy shit, never thought I'd see sports analytics used to talk about smash. This rules, thank you for the fantastic vid
0:05 I swear to god that describes Ultimate so well. Fighter Pass 2 Specifically dominates this games meta.
The comparisons from Smash to professional basketball were so smart. Playing around inconsistency isn't something that a lot of people talk about, and it's such an interesting topic to think about
As a basketball fan myself, I had never imagined such an amazing video, great analogy, such an interesting topic. Thanks for this great work you've been doing.
This is literally next level analysis. This type of work brings eSports closer to being considered actual sports. Bravo 👏
Doc isn't even like a bottom bottom character imo he honestly is just worse wolf which isn't bad and a projectile that combos. His recovery still shit tho but his neutral and advantage is surprisingly good
Maybe not good for his advantage but he gets decent damage from each combo and they aren't intensely hard or anything
Man, this was a really good video, I rather liked how it took a general concept not specific to smash then applied it in a way that explains smash and in turn the concept. I would love to see more like this.
Never thought I'd see Rob ballin
Being a basketball fan honestly I was surprised and really impressed with the analogy. I’d love to see more analogies like that if possible
Doc is one of the funnest and most hype characters to play and watch! Mii Gunner on the other hand feels like fighting cancer…
This is a really interesting look at this, as a (kind of) low tier main myself in Icies, my answer for top tiers has always been to play the safest defensive option and try to win a war of attrition, hoping my opponent becomes impatient enough to make a bad move. I guess I’ll get back to the lab and see what kind of trickier setups I could get away with in those seemingly unwinnable matchups.
My heart broke for that DK.
I was listening to this in the background slightly unfocused, then i heard Michael Jordan was a Steve player and had to rewind
This deserves more views
I am a basketball fan and absolutely loved this video. Thank you!
Very well-made thesis! Respect to the ambitious idea
Yooo this just came out and then Franz the melee dr.mario player just placed pretty high in a tournament that included a couple big names (Fiction, S2J)
Good timing smash is sick
12:50 looks like a typical match on Elite Smash
never thought i would see a basketball reference. but im glad you guys did !
“Cleared 5 out of 15 socks”
the amount of work put into these videos makes me literally speechless. incredible job!
Only thing I thought this whole video was…
“this guy is getting a subscription and a bell”
Great video! Thoroughly enjoyed it!
Holy shit man what an awesome video. Great analogy, explanation and story telling! Thank for the break down
12:45 classic mii gunner
this video made me appreciate smash as a game, what a fantastic thing
I just leave a comment for the algorithm, because this video is extraordinarily well done and super interesting. Incredible quality and very relevant analogy and researchs
12:40 omg why.
made me want to actually play ult for once, really nice vid!
With all due respect but Comona's narration is on another level.
L4ST DOES THESE!?! LET'S GO
Best comparison of smash to a “real game” ever
Woah my love for basketball and smash have come together? Dream video.
Need a PGSports page tbh
12:39 the Sans easteregg tho?! 👀
love these vids . I appreciate the effort !
This is God like production quality
Basketball talk just goes in one ear out the other lol...
Good video. Appreciate the math and the analogy
What an excellent video review. So interesting!
this guy is seriously goated. such an analytical mind
do more of these for melee. If you like breaking these down, you'll have more longevity doing it for melee as there's more intricacy and less of a chance of the game dying so soon.
ayo there is smash in this basketball video
You forgot Jazar's Run at Wizard's Fest.
love the basketball analogies
Damn this guy makes bacons 17th at pound look bad
I would pay so much money for a couple more ultimate patches
Let me see doc fly
Mario is a wonderful and greater fighter. Tweaks to characters, that made Mario seem weaker. Mario has the right strokes and right range.
Shout out to Kitora his Dr. Mario is insane too.
Godlike video, amazing work