You don't like the Death and Return of Superman? Well that story wouldn't have been told if it wasn't for the live-action tv show Lois and Clark the New Adventures of Superman. Here's the reason why: the original plans for that time was for Superman and Lois to finally get married but the editors decided that Superman and Lois should at the same time as the characters on Lois and Clark which could have been years from then, so jokingly Jerry Oraway said let's just kill him which he said every meeting but with the rest gumbling about having to change their plans, they looked at Jerry and said yeah let's kill him, then the head writer said okay how do we kill him and what kills him and then what happens after. The rest is history.
@@DrStrange1963 I appreciate its importance as a trend-setter, and I first read it as a kid so there’s a nostalgia factor, but it’s just not very well written, in my opinion.
Do you not like the Triangle era much? I'm reading through the first volume of the omnibus that is coming next month, and I am having a pretty good time. I was thinking of hopping off at Death of Superman which is coming up pretty quick. Do you think I should leave at Death, or continue through Return, or should I just bail and read something more modern?
@@motorcycledude101 I do. That’s when I myself started reading Superman comics, so I have some nostalgia for the era. I just don’t feel that it aged very well, and I see the first signs of the truly bad years that come later. If you are enjoying yourself, by all means go on reading at least through Return of Superman. Possibly up to the Fall of Metropolis, although that might be pushing it. I have my problems with the death/return saga but it can be enjoyable in a Hollywood action movie kind of way. You should consider following the Return with Green Lantern:Emerald Twilight, which has long term repercussions. But I would definitely avoid the next Superman events all the way until after the electric Superman fiasco. That should just be forgotten by everyone.
@@MrHeavymetalharry It’s not that they aren’t good, it’s that they are very outdated and written for a much younger audience than comics today. Golden age comics are read more as curiosities or objects of study than for actual reading pleasure. The silver age of the 50s and 60s had a campy tone that also makes it hard for a modern reader to enjoy them. As for “the stories that made them what they are”, that’s a very difficult question because what they are is a relative term. I would say that the modern, darker Batman of today first appeared in the Denny O’Neil comics of the early 1970s, which were later perfected by Frank Miller’s Dark Knight Returns and Year One. Superman also has some 1970s stories that can be enjoyed today, but modern Superman really only showed up in 1986, after Crisis and the John Byrne revamp of the character. If you really are interested in the golden or silver ages, there are paperbacks available. Both characters have “greatest stories ever told” collections that provide a sample of those eras. Though I don’t know if they are still in print. Just keep in mind that there’s a very big difference in both writing and art style compared to modern comics.
@@Jackfromshack The dark tone of the Golden Age lasted from 1939 to 1940, and is hardly representative of the era. Stop pretending to know what you are talking about. 😉
@@comicbeliefHum, I was about to write a similar comment, but from a different perspective; see, I really love camp and general silliness - Batman BatB (the cartoon) is one of my favorites, and while I've only read Kirby and Fraction's runs, I adored every second of Jimmy Olsen's comic. So, I was wondering if golden/silver age stories for Superman, or well any DC character, would really hold that same level of fun? Or, would you say they'd still lack the substance one would expect, even if one's looking for camp or comedies?
@@fanb1536 I think you might find them outdated, even if you are into the style. But you also might not. Like watching a Chaplin movie. It’s not modern by any means, but one can appreciate the craft and enjoy it. You might want to try some modern dips into the silver age pool, as well. There’s a recent Batman ‘66 series, which is based on the 60s tv show and gets good reviews. Superman ‘78 does the same thing with his 80s movies. While not campy, DC:the New Frontier places heroes in the 1950s and is among the best comics ever. Grant Morrison’ Batman run incorporates many elements of the silver age into modern continuity. If you like the period, you will have a blast.
@@comicbelief Yeah, that seems like an entirely fair attitude to have. Hum, still, are there any runs from the time that you'd say stood out from their contemporaries? I've seen bits of Fawcett-era Captain Marvel and have been meaning to give that a try, personally; esp when I heard how he was supposedly very popular then too. As for modern revisits, I've definitely heard of those, but only had experience with New Frontier (which I did greatly enjoy); very glad to hear those show/movie revisits are actually good, I kinda wrote them off when I first saw them! And while not literally silver-age-based modern stories, I have also had both Giffen/DeMatteis' JLI and Baker's Plastic Man recommended for their tones being closer to my tastes, but haven't been able to read either yet to confirm.
@@Sidahmed-v8w th-cam.com/video/Y0QTKT2pntg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=LJcoxX8l9OYG1abN This was not a proper “best stories” video because I referenced the monthly series as a whole without highlighting specific stories, but 90% of the Deadpool content actually consists of limited series, and the video do list them all. I might do a “best stories” at some point, but it runs the risk of being very similar to this one.
@@Sidahmed-v8w I’m sure there’s material for a 100 Best video. I’d rather just put some space between the two videos. If you are looking for a place to start, read the Joe Kelly run from the late 90s, the Dugan/Posehn run and Deadpool MAX. These three are the holy trinity of Deadpool series.
@@ervingarcia874 I don’t disagree but I understand where he was coming from. Crisis had reestablished Superman as the only survivor of Krypton and Byrne was adhering to that rule. But at the same time, they wanted to use the classic characters, so Zod came from another dimension, Supergirl was Matrix, Superboy was now a clone… It got weird, but at least the intentions were good
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You don't like the Death and Return of Superman? Well that story wouldn't have been told if it wasn't for the live-action tv show Lois and Clark the New Adventures of Superman. Here's the reason why: the original plans for that time was for Superman and Lois to finally get married but the editors decided that Superman and Lois should at the same time as the characters on Lois and Clark which could have been years from then, so jokingly Jerry Oraway said let's just kill him which he said every meeting but with the rest gumbling about having to change their plans, they looked at Jerry and said yeah let's kill him, then the head writer said okay how do we kill him and what kills him and then what happens after. The rest is history.
@@DrStrange1963 I appreciate its importance as a trend-setter, and I first read it as a kid so there’s a nostalgia factor, but it’s just not very well written, in my opinion.
@@comicbelief that is your right to like what want. But I like it fine but that's probably because that's where I first picked up the comics.
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Do you not like the Triangle era much? I'm reading through the first volume of the omnibus that is coming next month, and I am having a pretty good time. I was thinking of hopping off at Death of Superman which is coming up pretty quick. Do you think I should leave at Death, or continue through Return, or should I just bail and read something more modern?
@@motorcycledude101 I do. That’s when I myself started reading Superman comics, so I have some nostalgia for the era. I just don’t feel that it aged very well, and I see the first signs of the truly bad years that come later.
If you are enjoying yourself, by all means go on reading at least through Return of Superman. Possibly up to the Fall of Metropolis, although that might be pushing it. I have my problems with the death/return saga but it can be enjoyable in a Hollywood action movie kind of way. You should consider following the Return with Green Lantern:Emerald Twilight, which has long term repercussions.
But I would definitely avoid the next Superman events all the way until after the electric Superman fiasco. That should just be forgotten by everyone.
Are there any good Golden age Superman or Batman comics? i want to read the stories that made them what they are
@@MrHeavymetalharry It’s not that they aren’t good, it’s that they are very outdated and written for a much younger audience than comics today. Golden age comics are read more as curiosities or objects of study than for actual reading pleasure. The silver age of the 50s and 60s had a campy tone that also makes it hard for a modern reader to enjoy them. As for “the stories that made them what they are”, that’s a very difficult question because what they are is a relative term. I would say that the modern, darker Batman of today first appeared in the Denny O’Neil comics of the early 1970s, which were later perfected by Frank Miller’s Dark Knight Returns and Year One. Superman also has some 1970s stories that can be enjoyed today, but modern Superman really only showed up in 1986, after Crisis and the John Byrne revamp of the character. If you really are interested in the golden or silver ages, there are paperbacks available. Both characters have “greatest stories ever told” collections that provide a sample of those eras. Though I don’t know if they are still in print. Just keep in mind that there’s a very big difference in both writing and art style compared to modern comics.
@@Jackfromshack The dark tone of the Golden Age lasted from 1939 to 1940, and is hardly representative of the era. Stop pretending to know what you are talking about. 😉
@@comicbeliefHum, I was about to write a similar comment, but from a different perspective; see, I really love camp and general silliness - Batman BatB (the cartoon) is one of my favorites, and while I've only read Kirby and Fraction's runs, I adored every second of Jimmy Olsen's comic. So, I was wondering if golden/silver age stories for Superman, or well any DC character, would really hold that same level of fun? Or, would you say they'd still lack the substance one would expect, even if one's looking for camp or comedies?
@@fanb1536 I think you might find them outdated, even if you are into the style. But you also might not. Like watching a Chaplin movie. It’s not modern by any means, but one can appreciate the craft and enjoy it. You might want to try some modern dips into the silver age pool, as well. There’s a recent Batman ‘66 series, which is based on the 60s tv show and gets good reviews. Superman ‘78 does the same thing with his 80s movies. While not campy, DC:the New Frontier places heroes in the 1950s and is among the best comics ever. Grant Morrison’ Batman run incorporates many elements of the silver age into modern continuity. If you like the period, you will have a blast.
@@comicbelief Yeah, that seems like an entirely fair attitude to have. Hum, still, are there any runs from the time that you'd say stood out from their contemporaries? I've seen bits of Fawcett-era Captain Marvel and have been meaning to give that a try, personally; esp when I heard how he was supposedly very popular then too.
As for modern revisits, I've definitely heard of those, but only had experience with New Frontier (which I did greatly enjoy); very glad to hear those show/movie revisits are actually good, I kinda wrote them off when I first saw them!
And while not literally silver-age-based modern stories, I have also had both Giffen/DeMatteis' JLI and Baker's Plastic Man recommended for their tones being closer to my tastes, but haven't been able to read either yet to confirm.
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Can you make the best 100 deadpool stories i remember seeing it in your channel but i can't find it so i guess it's just bad memory
@@Sidahmed-v8w th-cam.com/video/Y0QTKT2pntg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=LJcoxX8l9OYG1abN
This was not a proper “best stories” video because I referenced the monthly series as a whole without highlighting specific stories, but 90% of the Deadpool content actually consists of limited series, and the video do list them all. I might do a “best stories” at some point, but it runs the risk of being very similar to this one.
@@comicbelief i mean you listed all of them but not the best if there is not so many deadpool stories you can't make a 100 best stories
@@Sidahmed-v8w I’m sure there’s material for a 100 Best video. I’d rather just put some space between the two videos.
If you are looking for a place to start, read the Joe Kelly run from the late 90s, the Dugan/Posehn run and Deadpool MAX. These three are the holy trinity of Deadpool series.
In my opinion, Byrne screwed up Supergirl. What a huge missed oportunity. Matrix ? Are you kidding me ?
@@ervingarcia874 I don’t disagree but I understand where he was coming from. Crisis had reestablished Superman as the only survivor of Krypton and Byrne was adhering to that rule. But at the same time, they wanted to use the classic characters, so Zod came from another dimension, Supergirl was Matrix, Superboy was now a clone… It got weird, but at least the intentions were good
Superman #125 (1958) @3:26, how is this not an icon of gay pride today?
@@grahamfloyd3451 Have you seen Action Comics #457, showing Superman as a catholic priest?