Why I Hate Homesteading (Wild We Roam is No Longer Vegan)
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To be fair she does look tired, pale and depleted - her body is obviously missing something it needs.
The lack of Vitamin D and B12 is a huge issue for some people. A no fat diet isn't good for anyone.
The “no fat” is always a sign to me that veganism is not the main purpose of the diet. It’s a clean eating health obsession (often weight obsessed low key) diet. As soon as they find an argument for another way of eating being healthier, they’ll switch and have almost no resources to defend against the new change because the lack of fat makes them irascibly hungry. People who are serious about veganism eat fats and make sure they’re nutritional bases are covered so they can sustain it.
For the foods I eat regularly, I try to keep the calories from fat at around 10% and haven't had a problem in my 9 years of being vegan. Might be that I eat enough fiber in my main meals and fatty junk food outside of that to balance things out.
All I've consumed today is some oatmeal with maple syrup and cinnamon, some nuts while driving, and a mocha from Starbucks to help me keep doing deliveries, yet I feel fine hunger-wise 🤷♂️
I mean our ancestors didn’t necessarily get fat every day-culture dependent of course. You absolutely could get enough by having junk food days. Who knows. I bet you’d be better off intentionally getting fats from healthier sources though. But it’s all by degrees. If it feels good to you, fine. I’m more decrying the people who publicly call things like olive oil and even nuts junk or unhealthy on their TH-cam channels when clearly they’re not so much vegans as people with an eating disorder using veganism as a disguise. @@chinoto1
Fat is incredibly overlooked and soooo important to womens health.
@@yianna147 How do you mean overlooked? It seems difficult to find prepared foods that aren't at least 30% fat.
Are you just meaning pregnancy or do women need more fat than men for another reason?
@@chinoto1Fatty acids are super essential for women's hormonal balance. I know if I don't get adequate omega 3s my hormone cycle suffers and I start to have increased symptoms like PMS, breakouts, period cramps, bad mood swings, depression, anxiety, etc. There is some pretty solid research on this as well. Omega 3s are hormonal precursors for the production of estrogen, progesterone and testosterone.
Yeah ... homesteading and veganism will naturally be at odds, particularly as long as veganism requires supplementation ...
You're blaming homesteading for why people choose to stop being vegan? I'm confused.
Vegans hate homesteaders
They're lovely people
Homesteading is a lot of work for almost zero return. It''s best to get a job and just buy your food. One way or the other you are working for food. Typically, a job is much more profitable in the long run. I'm so lucky to never crave any animal products. vegan for over 45 years.
If that is how you think
You don't get the point of homesteads
Did you see that avangardevegan (Gaz) also got chickens for his garden but he doesn't eat the eggs . He feeds the eggs back to the chickens and gives some away to his neighbours that would have bought them in the supermarket. I think that's such a great way to do it.
It's great to see a teacher take that into consideration! I was a vegetarian growing up. I had the exact opposite experience in Roseburg OR when I was 10ish.
What is funny is that they don't want to rigidly adhere to veganism in order to rigidly adhere to homesteading principles!
Edit: Swayze, I think you should take a look at the responses to that comment. Some of those are hilarious and maybe worth a video!
Being self-sufficient is more important than adhering to arbitrary vegan "standards" that are self-defeating...
@@erickgreen2361 lol yeah pursuing an impossible goal in the hope that one day society will collapse and all your work will be worth it.
@@sachamm So the Amish are just bidding their time til the end of days? You clearly do not know the joys of providing for yourself and not relying on corporations and governments to provide for you...
@@sachammthis is super closed-minded and silly
@@erickgreen2361using internet and replying on TH-cam 😂
"Im not sure what she means".... she means her body is sending her signals to not deprive herself "our bodies are dumb" the only dumb i see here is.... well WE ALL can finish that sentence
I don't like judging people by their looks, but her appearance is striking to me in this video, maybe the lightning is terrible. But she does look tired and emaciated, i hope it's the postpartum doing that and not a result of severe dietary restrictions. If it's the latter, i'm not surprised at all for her cravings
In my opinion, this video was created with the utmost respect. Well done.
Indeed, this type of video is intriguing. Many individuals opt to avoid fat and an adequate amount of protein, subsequently turning to animal fat and protein, which results in an immediate sense of well-being. Why not experiment with incorporating fat and a 10% increase in protein? They just never try this.
It's a capital sin to leave the cult, cause misery loves company.
I feel this whole comment section is about a group reaffirming their morality while discussing beliefs against a former member of their church.
I am happy you vegan people are here to promote your set of values but b*tching on people who left (and might one day come back), after promoting/giving vidsibility to your lifestyle during 10 years, will never help your morality. They don't betray your group or values: they change as humans after a huge event in their lives. And maybe their values changed, including lifestyle and food, as it's often talked about for new parents.
Also, judging mother's choices while never discussing the role of the father in it... is hypocritical, and not feminist for people putting equal rights/treatment at the first place. Guys at least be respectful toward this family, do not hate for free like that.
I lived in an off grid community of about 50 people, seperate housholds and properties, and some raise their own aniamls, mostly chickens, but also pigs, and there is a cattle ranch with aprox 100 cows in the valley as well. We are/were a tight nit community and very self sufficient and self supporting has their own forestry land protection commitee and the elders used to have their own hippy commune and are very self proclaimed enviromentalists and have worked to protect the forests around there for over 4 decades, and been relatively successful at it...anyway we share a community chat room, and I my partner and I were the only vegetarian/vegan(she was vegi, i was vegan, she is very modest about it, and I was more activist) people in the community. I ended up having to leave the community a couple years ago when my partner and I broke up asit was her family land I was living on in that community but the community still keeps in touch and lets me stay apart of them via the chat and visits, but I posted that huge harvard study one day a while after the breakup-the one that demonstrated the most effiective way to help the world and environment was to go plant based, and several of the community members began to shun me, specificallty the eldest matriarch, and a few other elder matriarchs- one of them being a enviromental biologist- and it was really stunning and emotionally painful for me to get such a reaction from them. One of them even went out of her way to bring up old under the water baggage and try to hurt me with it... these are adults 20-30 years older than me (im almsot 40) that must have gotten really offended and triggered by their environmentalist morals being called into question as they all eat meat, and some slaughter their own animals as well, and all support the cattle ranch by buying their butcherings. It hurts, and is surprising to me that people would hold a grudge like that, and still do to this day over my sharing that study with everyone.. most of the others just ignored it (as I expected) but it must have really hit home for some of the women. Who are considered real role models in the community... no wonder in retrospect. .No one even said a word to me publicly or privately regarding the post directly. Just brought up old shit that I didnt even realize was a problem, and made it out to be a bigger deal than it even had to be. And the post was left forgotten in the anals. Just goes to show you the cognitive dissonance and hypocricy and inmaturity of people around this subject- that on the outside are looked at as such a "good and wholesome and loving community", which in many ways they actually are the best community of people i've ever come across... but once you are in it, you see everyone is still just human and has their grudges and opinions and bias, and even hatred. I was never really liked by probably half the people there anyway... Mostly because I struggled so much with my disease of addiction that I had no control over and they saw how it hurt my partner, someone they all love very much. Which I can understand, and that I hurt her still tears me up to this day- but considering their image is based so much upon compassion and understanding- it is certainly lacking in a lot of ways. If anyone I know reads this and recognizes anything.. I hope you can understand where Im coming from here. And that I would never name names and that I do understand the difficulty of cognitive dissonance. But I learned real community and love and loved and love these people... and it breaks my heart how much I've lost them along with my ex.. all because of my moral stance with animals and my mental illnesses that were out of my control yet I never stopped trying to work on. Sadly in a bittersweet way, it took the break up for me to finally get better... and im now grateful it had to end that way- all I regret it how much Ive hurt people along the way.
It's hard for me not to roll my eyes at people like this. It took me a couple years to figure out a way of eating vegan that works for me. But I literally still crave meat all the time. Ive never been put off by meat lol. I think its delicious, a lot of animal products are more convenient etc. But just because I want something doesn't make it ethical or a good choice for other sentient beings, myself, or the planet. I used to feel like I was a "bad vegan" for this but not anymore. If more people like me talked about yea of course I like meat It's delicious, but I don't eat it because it causes suffering, I think we could get more people to be vegan...
Honestly if I just lived how I "craved" I would start smoking cigarettes again immediately (quit 10 years ago), I probably would be drunk and high constantly lol. My "cravings" are hilariously self destructive, the idea that what I'm craving is in any way something I should listen to is just such a dangerous road to go down imo.
I feel ya! I loved the taste of meat and when I smell it I usually still want it. There's no need to give into that just because it's what my body wants. I know many vegetarians and vegans do feel put off by the idea, smell or taste of meat, but I agree that it might be good to be open about the fact that there are people who still like meat but chose not to eat it for ethical reasons. You don't have to be repulsed by meat to not eat it.
My cravings subsided once I started to eat better cooked food. Tasty curries, sandwiches, etc. It's not the most convenient thing but it makes me happier. Now I only have trouble with sweets since baking is above my time and skill level
@TheMrsarahanne90: Sure you're not figuratively craving meat 🥩 all the time? 🤷♀️
@@lemurianchick yep!
@@ononono7016 yes! This is really great advice! Definitely can make a big difference
I think its awkward embarrassed laughter
I'm a vegan homesteader and off-grid. Vegan for life and love living on my fruit farm. If you're no longer vegan because you have meat cravings and live off-grid, you were never vegan to begin with. You were merely following what was probavly a trend for you.
Mmmmmmm you can keep your titles. Have fun with deficiencies. Take it from ex v of 12 years.
@@PapaVikingCodes no such thing as an ex-vegan. You were never vegan, you were just following a trend and eating crap. I'm 13 years vegan, pushing 50 and at my healthiest. No supplements and certainly no Rx drugs . I was deficient in everything prior to going plant-based and asleep to the unnecessary animal cruelty and brutal slaughtering before going vegan. But yeah, best of luck on your toxic sleep train.
The online homesteading community is wild. A lot of time you are two algorithm clicks away from the alt right pipeline
You’re not two clicks away, often times they are the alt right. JVN just had a podcast episode about how these “crunchy moms” homesteaders are alt right
If you like the off grid, gardening and renovation stuff without the religion or politics, or fear of the world, check out all the people heading to Central portugal and doing up ruins. Super cool
It's closer to preppers but all go into a distrust the government fear for the future
It's not all homesteads
This reminds me of my former friend who kept asking me if I would eat "ethically" sourced meat. That "ethical" meat being self hunted animals
His grandfather is a hunter and got that idea in his head. It didn't even occur to him I had a problem with killing the animals too, not just with someone else doing it
The only thing cravings signify is that you're not eating enough. They seem more into lifestyle than what they truly believe to be moral or true. When they went vegan it was popular now everyone is going with the homestead and carnivore lifestyle which they will probably drop when they find out of hard it is to run a farm and how sick they feel only eating meat. I'll be honest my first year I went vegan I decided to eat meat after becoming pressured when pregnant by my doctor and family and I got so sick from eating a tiny little piece of meat I took at as my inner guilt materializing as actually illness. That was 3 years ago and I'll never go back.
I cannot wrap my head around "craving eggs." The idea of eating any part of the reproductive cycle of any animal is just disgusting to me to even think about, and the smell of eggs cooking literally makes me want to throw up now. I find a lot ex-vegans try to use the "craving" argument because they feel it's not debatable. That, or they say they were deficient but they don't make an effort to increase plant-based foods that would help that "How can someone tell me I don't need something my body is telling me it needs?" seems to be their thought process. They feel like you can't debate that and it helps them justify eating animals and animal products.
I also don't understand how someone intentionally living a vegan lifestyle can say, "Oh now we live near local farmers and we want to support them and be involved in the community" makes any sense whatsoever. If anything, living closer to these animals, seeing them face-to-face, watching them romp and play and care for their young, would make it nearly IMPOSSIBLE for someone of a compassionate vegan mindset to eat them.
And now she wants to HUNT?! She wants to actually take an animal's life with her own hands in a violent act? I don't get this lady AT ALL!
Its sad because ive been looking for vegan homesteading channels.
Dystopian high rises aren't appealing at all
As a vegan you shouldn't be so cavalier about dystopian things.
If you are craving then bite into a juicy beyond meat burger lol
So she doesn't eat fat or protein, is amazed she craves those things and wants to go straight to eating them. Why. Clearly she doesn't consider fat and protein important macros? It's depressing how ignorant people are😢
My advice is to go for mussels instead of for sentient animals, it helps both with cravings, satisfaction, and they have a significant amounts of DHA, protein, and iodine
Grow some grain and make your own seitan or TVP to get your meat fix? Investigating how pea or soy protein isolate is made would be cool.
I crave peanut butter cookies like a mofo
i crave chocolate all the time, so i eat nothing but chocolate, you know?
But if one of the main reasons is not being able to live off-grid on only plants, why would he then say he intends to eat 99% vegan?
Have you made a video on regenerative agriculture yet
They're phonies. You can tell who was in it for the ethics and who isn't. They both know the science and arguments. To now be open to exploitation and hunting, with the same Jon Venus excuses, because cravings... Urgh, it's exhausting.
💯 🎯 Also, I'm kinda getting transsexual vibes from them both tbt. "Her" voice has changed, "her" hormones need to be readjusted. And also, there's no way these two are hunting, killing, and butchering animals themselves. No chance in hell
* at least like in terms of like, how I work my brain around it, its just like individual situations where its LIKE.... * Dude needs more calories 😵💫
We wanna be off grid...and put it all on social media?
That's not off grid.
It can be, if you use solar. welcome to 21st century
@@Adnancorner You're only thinking of physicality
Broadcasting yourself to the entire globe is not off the grid
Welcome to reality
@@langreeves6419Off-grid by definition is not being PHYSICALLY hooked up to utilities by wires, pipes or cables. Welcome to the dictionary.
@@jesusmywholehaschanged you're welcome to your narrow minded idiocy
I'm interested in your point of view on children's milestones. My friend has a 14-month-old who doesn't walk yet and her daycare referred her to a specialist because she is considered behind. She pulls up on furniture but doesn't cruse yet. My 14-month-old walks and almost runs, they can go up the stairs and down. However, they doesn't say words yet, only babbling: bababa, mamamam, papapapa. Lot's of people are surprised that she doesn't say words yet and where I live [Montreal (Canada)], they are expecting her to say 18 words by the age of 18 months. Otherwise, she would be considered delayed language-wise. How much are these milestones science-based? It would be interesting to have your commentary on this parental experience that we all experience in at least one developmental sphere. Thanks!!
@14:10 and I will disagree with them here too! 😂 Ski gear is synthetic with superior insulation and very sturdy and well as climbing gear. You got confused with fast fashion garbage and thought you had quality items. Leather gloves are definitely NOT more environmentally friendly nore more durable than a quality poly and rubber mix welding glove. Dah! Good chemistry is what makes excellent manmade materials! The dollar store crap you picked up is not the same thing.
Welcome to the Post-Vegan era, for lack of a better term, like all I’ve seen is vegans as a group slowly start giving up the false righteousness they hold and move towards a holistic approach they missed at first. It’s messy af still imo, but it’s getting better. In 20-40 years plant based and food harm reduction will be a normal and active value. I feel like carnivore is gunna speedball through all the steps and eventually sweep up meat eaters into accepting animal welfare and rights as well as changing the animal ag system for better.
I've been asking for ages to get your views on homesteading and the circular nature of living of the land, produce and animals included. The overall stamp on the earth being positive. (That's my opinion obviously) but I'd love to hear a more extensive view on your thoughts around homesteading and sustainability. Both from a vegan and non vegan perspective.
I should add I am not vegan, not do I plan to be. But I've always enjoyed your level headed approach to things.
omg just let people live
I am not vegan by no means. But I know, as a gardener, if you do not have good healthy dirt....you do not get good produce. I have read that the veges you buy at the store, they are not as nutrient dense because they are commercially grown, and the dirt is "raped" of its nutrients. Therefore you are eating stuff that you "think" is healthy, but it is not as healthy as you think it is. I am just curious what your thoughts are on this topic. I stumbled across your video. First time viewer. It is hard to know what are the truths out there.....for real....because we are "fed" so much stuff on the internet.......what are the truths. I know from growing up in a family that raised a huge garden, my mom canned our veges, and we ate them all winter. And now as an adult.....I have gardened for several years......some years not as serious as others.......but regardless of how serious.....my produce tastes much much much better than anything I can buy at the store.......even the "organic" stuff is pretty bland compared to what I grow myself. But I have become a more serious gardener, and try to amend my soil each year with my own compost (chicken manure & plant compost). Just curious what is really the truth on plant based. I think it is where it all comes from (whether it is meat or plant based).
The moment I saw that lady's face, I knew she needed meat. Her cravings are genuine and natural. Veganism is a spell. I was under it for years. There was a vegan cafe I went to religiously. It was only once I began eating meat again that I noticed everyone at the cafe was incredibly skinny and weak. It was like something from a horror movie. I never went back to that cafe again.
We are omnivorous creatures. Whether we like it or not.
umami is the best!!!
Well, she's not eating nuts either. She should've read Dr. Fuhrman and she wouldn't be having this dilemma
If I had all this land I would get into hydroponics or something that's going to produce an income instead of worrying about something high maintenance like raising animals.
oh my god the cravings argument
binge eaters crave food a lot too
alcoholics crave alcohol too
smokers crave smoking too
this is dumb
It's not dumb. Have you heard of pica? I agree all cravings aren't good for you. Swayze herself has said meat has nutritional benefits, but she would rather abstain for the animals and supplement. That's an ethical, not health reason. People with intense, WHOLE FOOD cravings tend to have some sort of deficiency, vegan or not. It's not unusual for her to crave eggs and meat. She looks awful and should get her blood work checked asap.
Yondu is a lifechanger. I love it!
Hello! I am a long time subscriber and I have never wanted you to cover something more than the Liz Seibert situation with the diet, the supplements and her pill shaming Abbey Sharpe and also more so her claims about the dairy/ animal products she consumes while claiming they are from happy healthy animals from an Amish farm and the unpasteurised milk. Seems like a perfect storm for you to cover :D
I second this!
Yes!
it's not about the community, she clearly looks sick
for a long time i kept craving eggs, when i still lived with my non-vegan family i would sometimes just STARE at the eggs but my morals are stronger so i was able to not eat them, but i craved them so badly. i decided to do something about it and upped my protein and fat intake by a lot, I ate a lot more carbs back then but switched them to proteins and fats and ever since I haven't been craving eggs at all anymore. it really did the "trick" for me. i have heard this from other vegans as well, eat enough protein and fat
Exactly.
Also eating egg alternatives (which are usually higher in protein and fat) can help a lot I would believe.
what's odd to me is that i've been vegan for 10 years. sometimes i starve myself. at one point i got really emaciated. and the way i eat shifts a lot, but one thing is that I never craved animal products. So if someone like me doesn't crave animal products, then I really don't know where that craving is coming from.
This^ I wish the people in the video just try a normal vegan diet instead of the weird no oil raw lack of protein wtf
@@TUG657 what kind of egg alternatives do you mean exactly if I may ask? in my country there weren't a lot of egg alternatives in the stores yet back then (i mean the things from a bottle or package). the ones we currently have aren't exactly high protein and fat either, there is a long way to go still! but for me personally i found that eating a very wide variety of proteins and fats has helped me a lot. i also in general feel better if that makes sense? like more satisfied somehow
@@BigIndianBindi-jy1cz that is interesting to hear! i don't know either to be honest, but i'm quite in tune with my body. there are times when i crave a lot more fat so i do, sometimes i crave a lot more proteins so i just eat them more and it works well for me. i always make sure to eat plenty of variety when it comes to proteins and fats and that has helped me a lot! how are you these days? are you alright? eating well?
My favorite 'my body doesn't know what it wants' example is iron deficiency and craving ice. No amount of ice will boost my iron, but my body thinks it does. 😂
But your body also knows that your pagophagy (your compulsive desire to consume ice) is most likely a symptom of your iron-deficiency anemia.
So true 😂
@ZephyrLopezCervilla that's very true, in this lady's case, the cravings for animals was a simptom to something but not necessarily animals.
@@Lili-xq3og, probably a symptom of her desire to blend in.
@Not really. Science figured that one out. Not our body.
We are really not like other animals in that regard.
I converted my backyard into a suburban homestead where I grow most of the produce I eat. It’s better for the environment than having the same yard and just growing turf grass but honestly I mostly do it because it makes me feel more in control of my life. That said, you get diminishing returns if you try and get ALL of your calories by living off the land in a temperate climate. I’d rather buy beans, grains and oil from the supermarket (and Nugo bars- I’m addicted to the mint chocolate ones).
Great point!
NO, you do NOT get diminishing returns if you recycle your poop and use humanure in a way where the minerals are not washed away in sea through sewage treatment plants, or to offset the mineral loss you add horse manure regularly to your garden.
@@Adnancornerhorse manure wouldn’t be vegan and trying to compost your own waste for the garden sounds like a recipe for disease if not done properly. It’s wild to suggest anyone try to use their own waste for their backyard gardens😭😭😭
@@escitalopram15mg61 we use rabbit wee (we have indoor bunnies) in our compost. I've seen plenty of recommendations to use human pee, but that's just... Somehow so uncomfortable... 😅
@@Adnancorner I've read about composting toilets but it's not something that would work for me. The health concerns and general unpleasantness are not worth saving a small amount of money on fertilizer. Mineral loss in the soil isn't the limiting factor anyway. I'm more focused on balancing time, effort, and land use against having a healthy and satisfying diet. No amount of free fertilizer will make it practical to grow, thresh and grind your own wheat flour on a quarter acre. I'd rather grow the blackberries for my muffins and spend a few dollars to buy the flour from the store.
In the end it’s their life why should we care
I have pet goats and the part about eating the goat is so disturbing to me. It's like eating a dog. These animals that people raise trust their owners. They get exciting when they see their owners. They have no idea that their owners are going to kill and eat them. Turns my stomach.
Right? I don't understand the whole "But these animals lived a great life, so what's wrong with killing them?"
These animals are pets, raised to trust you. I would never kill my dogs and everyone would agree that it would be horrible if I did. But for some reason killing goats or pigs, etc, is seen as completely fine.
Cope harder. You go ahead and do as you wish and give others the same respect.
@@ravenchild7517 Because you would inflict your values on others. You see these animals as "pets" others do not. Your opinion is no better than the other.
@@tinknal6449 It doesn't matter what the owners think, it's the animal that matters.
@@AdairPastos Only to you. Humans are meat eaters. It's in our DNA and we are designed to thrive on a meat based diet. I will never apologize for this fact. Go ahead and "rescue" and support all the animals you want and then mind your own business.
I don't think most people do homesteading for the environment. They do it to be more self sufficient and less dependent on crappy corporations that are killing us.
Selfsufficiency isn't at all realistic. "Homesteading" to an extent that is rewarding can be.. We have a big garden and we grow a lot of our own vegetables and fruits. We also buy tofu, plantbased milks, fruits, seeds, nuts and vegetables when they are not in season, beans, various grains, and we do make seitan from gluten flour. This autumn I decided not to grow my own Brussels sprouts, kale, Swiss chard or cauliflower because my m-i-l broke a hip and I don't have strength to both "homestead" (such a silly word) and take care of her. Thank God there are professional farmers and stores and I'm not alone with a house, a garden and my family. There's a reason why we arranged societies. We need each other.
For perspective, an average deer yields about 54 lbs. of meat. If they truly limited their intake of meat and supplemented with eggs and/or fish, one deer would likely last their family about a year. Although I’m not a fan of hunting or eating deer, to me that’s a more ethical stance than eating supermarket meat. Of course, if meat becomes the central component of their diet, the ethical meter shifts, but I’d still have more respect for people giving serious consideration to the ethics of their diet than people who just mindlessly consume factory produced animal products and meat.
I would disagree on cravings. There are too many cases, like this child that was eating rubber I think and turned out to be deficient of some mineral in rubber. I used to crave milk until I started eating a lot more beans and then it just stopped. I went keto and had recurring dreams about beans and bread. It couldn't have been protein, but there is something in beans and bread I was missing because once I had some it left, and I quit keto because of it. I'm mostly plant based now, not vegan. I don't crave meat. I have a little cheese and put an egg in my pancake batter. Haven't had meat in quite a while. If I did, I would eat it.
She used to talk all about how her husband has rheumatoid arthritis and vegan diet is best for him but i guess not anymore
“Living closer to the land”
Ah yes, the most natural way of living…by farming genetically modified animals you can’t find in the wild
For some reason it's never about eating worms and bugs they found in their house 😌
And picking guns and ammunition from the gun tree when they're ripe.
@@rasputozen this made me cackle
Do you think you can find vegetables in the wild?
@@saibuc90 yes actually lmao
I stopped watching when they started putting their kid on screen, and they went from being pretty against that to changing their mind pretty quickly. So I'm not surprised they changed their mind about veganism, and I'm not interested in their new chapter of hunting and raising animals. Their vegan diet was unsustainable, and clearly they didn't want to make the effort to eat a healthier and more balanced vegan diet. They want a lifestyle, not a sometimes challenging but kinder diet and lifestyle.
I watch alot of Vegan TH-camrs...One thing I've notice is how closed minded they are....
Same. Just fascinating to see how dogmatic they are and don’t really see themselves as ideologues.
You're watching the wrong vegans, mate. Watch Earthling Ed. Smart man.
I feel like the whole living off the land is prompted by a belief that living off the land is more sustainable and more environmentally friendly and I’m wondering if actual scientific studies support this. I just can’t see how if massive amounts of people did this it certainly would not be sustainable and off the grid does not always equal environmentally friendly because not all use eco friendly forms of heating and powering homes. Just imagine even a small town where the majority of people were heating their homes with fire wood, the air quality would be terrible.
If everyone left cities to go live in forests and the country they would cease to be the open wild spaces they are. I think the answer is not abandoning cities but instead greening them and making them more functional.
Absolutely terrifying that you’d need a study to prove living off the land is more sustained and better for the environment. We as humans, live off of land Lmao. Do you have no inner voice? Intuition? A gut instinct? Nothing? You really need a study to tell you exactly what to do? Beyond insane to me.
Professional large-scale farming is wayyy more efficient than what any of these "off-grid" folks do. Yes, we could improve on how ecologically friendly their work is (and at least here in the EU there's been huge progress in that) but at the end of the day we don't have enough arable land to feed 8 billion people inefficiently. Not to mention the fact that if everyone were to go off-grid that would be the end of science, modern medicine, and the internet. And let's face it: most of these off-grid cosplayers wouldn't actually want to be without the internet, let alone without electricity. Good luck building your own generator from raw ore, in between gathering herbs to cure your child's polio and cobbling your own boots from home-tanned leather, of course.
@@miekekuppen9275 Tell me you have zero knowledge of being off grid or homesteading without actually telling me. Everything you said is just wrong - lmao. Going off gris doesn’t mean you need to build your own generator or be without internet 100% of the time. You’re clueless dude lol. And thinking we don’t have enough land for everyone to have a piece is such small thinking. Bet you believe in the sun monster or that NY is gonna be under water in 10 years too 😂.
@@samanttha Oh dear, so many failed attempts in one comment. Enjoy your rants.
Off topic, but DAMN…these former “vegans” say “like” A LOT 🙄 Like, three, four like times in like one sentence 🙉
Also, yeah definitely giving off super desperate vibes to fit in.
One of your not-fully-vegan viewers here-even I recognized that her sudden cravings cropping up, especially during pregnancy and breastfeeding, signify something to do with nutrients, not necessarily with animal products. When her face first came onto the screen, I was immediately concerned; she looks very... gaunt. Perhaps that's just how she looks, and there's nothing wrong with that; but it sounds to me like she needs some bloodwork done, and that she hasn't been vegan for the reasons she may have started out as for a while now.
Her diet that was shown looks so short of protein and fats! She really needs to look at her diet much more and make some changes, whether she stays vegan or not.
The excuses are so lame. Why does it have to be all or nothing with these people? If you're having ~cravings~ that badly, then just give into it, see how you feel during and after, and maybe you'll realize you didn't want it after all? But nope, it's "omg I thought about a burger can't be vegan now!" The immediate jump to wanting to hunt definitely gives off a desperate to fit in vibe. Her husband probably has a bunch of friends he feels left out from because they all go hunting. Lame tbh.
Right? It sounds more as if they compromise to the idea of being a character when it comes to certain way of living, such as being a vegan person, rather than compromising, owning and caring for the belief/moral instead. So, the "all the way" is probably them wanting to play this way of living and doing everything that means.
It could also go the other way though. I started craving meat after 7 years vegetarian and when I gave in it tasted even better than I remembered. Also felt better when I started eating it regularly (like actually satiated for hours). Looking back I'd probably been eating low protein.
With all the plant meats available, surely one could get their fix with those. Abandoning your ethics (assuming that was a motivator) isn't mandatory to satisfy cravings nowadays.
I crave drugs so I must have drugs and do drugs every day.
@@SteveRuprecht Seems like sound logic to me!
I shall join in consuming of the drugs in the morning.
Every 5th word they say is “like” 😂. It’s so hard to listen to do, do Americans not think it sounds uneducated to speak like that?
5:10 Are you suggesting that pica doesn’t have a nutrient-deficiency basis?
My wife and I have relocated to a subtropical region in Spain with the intention of living a self-sufficient and sustainable lifestyle. We adhere to a vegan diet out of compassion for animals, and this commitment is unwavering.
I always laugh when HUMANS call another speices "invasive"!
I quite liked their channel and I wasn’t just disappointed but also her going into depth about watching butchering videos was shocking… but once they got a purebred dog from a breeder I kinda knew something like this would follow
Ah!! So, they are also for "racial purity", then...
Just among Dogs, or also among humans?...
Perhaps we'll see a documentation of her husband with his new(?) MURDERING gun at the next storming-of-the-capitol...?
Makes perfect bloody sense blat.😢
You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs (pun intended).
The dog is a german shepard and called Freya, which is a nordic goddess. From my experience with people like that I think I am getting some altright vibes. And then it's all about prepping for the end of the world and not so much about animal welfare.
@@rebeccaa.3121Using a Norse mythology name is altright - no, just no.
its their life, why do you care ? Shocking ? she is not asking you to fund her diet and lifestyle. If you care so much then go and fund her vegan lifestyle.
Oh I feel so sad, I've been vegan for 9 years now, and I can't even watch those butchering videos, it hurts so much to see the animals suffering like that. The idea that they will hunt is horrible to me, especially because they are quite privileged people they decided this, and even went as far as laughing about it, it's so weird:(, and the comments on their video are so positive, I guess they have a completely new audience now. I don't feel comfortable following them anymore. Thanks for making this video so I don't have to see it.
"This teaching [of the sinfulness of murdering and living upon our fellow beings] was the result of a deep metaphysical recognition of a truth; and, if the Brahman has brought to us the consciousness of the most manifold phenomenon of the living world, with it is awakened the consciousness that the sacrifice of one of our near kin is, in a manner, the slaughter of one of ourselves; that the non-human animal is separated from man only by the degree of mental endowment, that it has the faculties of pleasure and pain, has the same desire for life as the most reason-endowed portion of mankind." *- Richard Wagner, Art and Religion, 1880*
When other two youtubers I was following decided to stop being vegan, I felt petty disappointed, so I just decided to leave them a comment telling them I wished them well, but no longer agreed with their way of living so I decided to unfollow them.
Horrible ? So why dont you go and create a prison system where you will put the all tigers lions, cats and every insect all the fish in the ocean in jail. Keep denying relaity for something to live something always die. Its law of the universe. For a vegan to live the carrot plant has to die.
@@Lili-xq3og so ? how does it matter ? vegans are 1% of the world population. Even in that 1% 80% are women so you have a very small base.
I love this video. UV intended it to discourage vegans from homesteading but it works really well keeping homesteaders from becoming vegan! I share it with every homesteader I find.
I hope these people apologize to farmers and admit they were wrong about it. Farming is a RESPONSIBILITY. Not a "closer to the land" thing. These animals rely on you for everything.
Well interesting thing my grandma primary ate a vegan diet growing up on the farm as kid cause they were too poor. She always tell me on Fridays they eat meat once a week and rest was veggies and breads and potato’s . Hunting really wasn’t accessible at the time. They had like 15 kids to feed lol
I always feel kinda surprised when I hear "I was craving animal products really bad so I started eating them again". Like, were these people vegan just because it was easy for them, because at some point in their life they didn't consider meat and eggs as appealing anymore ? Personally I'm not one of those people repulsed by the look/smell/taste of animal products. I LOVE meat, I LOVE eggs, I LOVE cheese... and I'll probably have to fight cravings all my damn life. I do it every single day. For real. It's HARD. But it's the choice I made, for the animals. Not for me.
This is so interesting to me because I am not vegan but I definitely could not eat a chicken that I am friends with. I have a pet rabbit and although I didn't eat rabbit before I could never now that I hang out with one everyday.
It's a thing you do because you think you have to. I live in rural Croatia and I see people love and be loving to animals they raise for meat, and then shoot them in the head and cut them to pieces. It is abrupt. I never saw them enjoy that part. They enjoy the meat, and enjoy their animals while the animals are alive. (I'm vegan. I don't think we should do this to ourselves or other sentient beings).
I hate the way the guys talks. So many ‘like’s, and he seems so ingenue.
I can hardly bear the idea that I probably stepped on bugs today. I can't imagine watching those videos and being ok with it. I am also on a homesteading journey. I wanted to buy fewer mock meats mostly due to the high cost, so i started buying 4lb bags on vital wheat gluten and making my own seitan from scratch
Why is always the show-offs those who are trying to project their perfect holistic helathy lifestyle to others that end up being ex-vegans and then there are the normal (whatever that means) that just show people what they eat in a day that continue the plant lifestyle.
The most interesting part of her video and her message is the fact she says "I don't WANT to be vegan anymore". That is where the distinction is... Unnatural Vegan is right, she has - at the time of this recording - not even tried animal foods yet, so yes, she does not know how eating those would feel. All she knows is that she is craving them - and probably the memories and social aspect connected to them.
I think a lot of the ex vegans over time find out that returning to eating animals does not fix whatever perceived issues they had that they ascribed to eating a plant only diet. But first they go through the honeymoon phase of "eating whatever i want". and they will start feeling better because it's a mental thing. Mental restriction can feel very suffocating when viewed as "i want this, but can't do/have it". Just look at children... tell them they can't have something, and how much more do they want it? Exactly... those with kids or any knowledge of kids get it.
Our brains are not much different in that respect when we grow up... we want what we want, dammit... and boo on those who dare tell me i can't have it! Except, if you've grown up just the right amount, you will get that everything in life is a choice, and nobody is "taking anything away" from you... You get to make your choices.
So, when you're a fully grown, functioning adult, you --- hopefully --- get to a point in life where you get all this... So i'll say it once more for the people in the back:
Everything in life is a choice, and nobody is "taking stuff away from you".
And then, besides the psychological aspect, there is the actual physiological side to this story, and hint hint, it relates to HUNGER.
Unnatural Vegan, again, is right, when she says that a restrictive (low fat,homesteading) diet is basically a recipe for disaster, and this pattern has been observed in so many ex vegans...
The story goes: they restrict their food intake (whether it's calories or macros), get hungry, start craving calorie dense sources of foods. It's the same every single time.
One goes on a water fast, the other goes low fat, and yet another goes on a gym diet where they neglect carbs or fats and eat TOO much protein (aka too little calories).
Women on low fat and/or low calorie diets lose their cycles. Long story short: if you're hungry, your brain is going to send you mental hunger of food items it has registered as extremely energy dense. And if you grew up in the western modern world, that will be heavy on the dairy and meat and eggs.
Lesson: EAT ENOUGH FOOD, DON'T NEGLECT MACROS, STOP LISTENING TO FASTING/LOW FAT/RAW FOOD/GYM GURUS.
Okbye.
Thats an absolute top notch teacher your kid has.
not the shipping container house! nonono. i'm not fully vegan, not fully homested and one thing i can say with confidence: don't build homes from shipping containers. it doesn't work in most climate zones. it just doesn't. accept it. it is the way it is.
Look how skinny they are! They need to try to eat a normal vegan diet you know like 1800 calories with healthy fats and protein not just raw greens.
Veganism is not an identity, and I notice a lot of these ex-vegans based eveything in there life surrounding veganism. Maybe they need a other things in their lives to be more rounded?
Also any diet that is exclusionary or super restrictive - raw or low fat or low oil - is not going to give you enough calories and therefore energy. This is not a vegan problem, but a orthorexia problem manifesting into a vegan diet.
The simple solution is to eat a wide varity of food. This does nkt have to include meat at all in any way, you just have to be more aware other food opportunities.
For most vegans it IS their identity and all they can talk about. Have you seen any UV videos that weren't about veganism or what she eats? And like many vegans she also comes from eating disorders, veganism and ED go hand in hand.
Anecdotal, but I’ve had 2 vegan pregnancies, breastfed the first for 16 months and currently breastfeeding my 4mo old now. Never felt depleted but I did have to increase my protein and vegetables intake to feel my best!
So confusing how she's been vegan 10 YEARS!?! and now suddenly thinks she can't survive without animal products?! wth? I'm not sure I need to say much more than that..
From what I gather, she is only now doing that homestead thing, and they want to be self sufficient without going to the grocery store and while living in a colder climate that doesn’t allow for a lot of fruit to grow. Not justifying it at all, I think it’s more important to be vegan than to be a homesteader, it’s about the animals, not us, but that’s the reason why all of a sudden she’s gonna switch.
@@hugomarquez3189ehm fruits should not replaced with animal products 😅
Probably wasn't vegan OR she wasn't getting proper nutrition and it caught up to her?
@@notthefather3919 She didn’t touch an animal product in 10 years, if she wasn’t vegan she’d have made exceptions. But I guess it’s more important for her to live off the grid than the suffering of animals. Her priorities may have changed. Safe to say she no longer is vegan, even if she doesn’t eat animals, she’s telling us what’s important to her now.
@@hugomarquez3189 likely she was "vegan" just to mask eating disorder. Indeed Is very slim.
Nuts and insatured plant oils are very healthy. Avoid them for health reasons it's no sense, except allergy.
You say it doesn't affect you what they do but here you are making a video.. It's weird. They weren't laughing because it's funny to eat animal products again they were clearly making a nervous laugh. They don't owe you or any other vegan anything but they put this out as they didn't want to live a lie. This video and comments are the reason vegans get so much hate!
“I wanna live on the land” great that is the best place to grow your own fruits and vegetables. How lucky she is to grow whatever so wants and she chooses to eat animals instead 😢
and gives animals plant products that could consume herself lol
@@cicciomatteseIt irks me so much how these homesteading people think they're self sufficient by buying bags of feed and giving them to their animals lmao.
Like, they'll be giving each chicken like 600 calories of grains per day in exchange for 70 calories worth of eggs in return. Maybe they have some fantasy about how the chickens are going to live off of scraps like in the old days, but it NEVER pans out that way.
The egg production of chickens (~1 egg per week, if you're lucky) kept that way, like in developing countries, is unacceptable to the average westerner trying to cook eggs for breakfast everyday.
As she should 😂😂😂😂
She IS growing whatever she wants and is eating animals. You display an absurd level of cognitive dissonance.
@@cicciomattese Fun fact; About a third of all plant crops is preproduction waste. Livestock convert this "waste" into nutritious and valuable food.
@5:20 pregnant women ESPECIALLY are known for craving weird food combos. That's your extreme hunger and hormones "talking". She needed to be "eating for two" in her meal planning and may have had a really hard time doing that on a low fat vegan diet which no vegan doctor recommends.
I'd say, the way people define homesteading and the way they go about it also fits into the category of "rigid groupthink".
Sounds they didn’t go vegan because they cared a lot about animals in the first place. You can’t care much if you go from vegan all the way to hunting and butchering and laughing about it. Crazy.
I been vegan almost 8 yrs now and never even thought of killing animals nor eating them. The only thing I do crave is pan dulce because I have not found any good vegan pan dulce🖤that’s as good as the original.
You use animal products just like everyone else here.
You're comment has no credibility since you started making things up before you made it past three words.
The solution I found for the boots was buying second hand, I don't like the idea of leather at its face, but at least with second hand leather I feel like I'm using something that already exists and so it won't cause direct harm to an animal. I know some other vegans disagree, but logically speaking, no additional animals die because I buy a pair of sturdy boots on ebay.
I do this too. I have second-hand leather winter boots and they've lasted me five years already. I also got a leather purse at a second-hand shop that I love and I have two second-hand leather belts. With proper upkeep leather products really do last a long time and I like how they look and feel. I don't want to contribute to leather sales so I will never buy a new leather product, but I enjoy having second-hand leather. I know many people don't like the idea of what it is and I do understand that, but for me it's a very workable compromise to only get it second-hand.
I did the same thing. I’ve been vegan over 5 years and used to only buy vegan boots. But they are expensive, so this time, I bought a sturdy pair of leather steel toes off eBay. And then I bought a vegan polish for them.
@@hungrytroodontid no kidding they're expensive ... and, let's just call them what they are: PLASTIC. How good is THAT for the environment?
I agree that used/second-hand leather is a good compromise if you don't want to wear plastic clothes. I'm so sick of the "vegan" or "faux" leather products ... they cost a lot, they don't breathe and they stink if you sweat in them (especially the shoes).
When I first started my vegan diet, I started craving eggs after about 2 months. After thinking over how I'd been eating, I realized I wasn't actually eating as much protein or fat as I thought I was. Once I upped it, I felt so much better and the craving went away. That, plus I found Indian black salt, which gives anything an egg flavor! 😂 (I mainly just use it for my fried tofu breakfast sandwiches).
Like, listening to the two of them like talk like was so annoying like
Maybe Homesteading is the natural way!
“we have a really large deer population here” so let’s kill them??? hahaha i’m sorry that struck me as so funny. also i’m vegetarian (plant based most of the time) so i’m not sitting here judging her for eating not vegan anymore, but the butchering video thing was shocking to me
...do you live in an area with a large deer population? I do, and when their numbers get too high, many of them die from starvation because there isn't enough food for all of them. During mating season they often run into the road, causing numerous car accidents and deaths (theirs and people's). To prevent this, our local government enacts a hunting season where hunters help cull the population. It keeps deer from starving to death, prevents people from dying, and their meat and hide is utilized fully.
Likelikelikelikelike...
I've always had a "sweet tooth" as my granny called it.
Since making a concerted effort to cut down on sugar, I've craved it less.
So not only were the cravings unrelated to my nutritional needs (I was getting more than enough calories) they were worse when I was eating MORE of the thing I was craving, not less...
But she hasn't had eggs or meat in 10 years. So she wasn't craving something she was overeating, like in your case.
@@jesusmywholehaschangedThat she claims, after the Rawvana situation I don’t trust any TH-camr 😂
I must be the only off grid homesteader on the planet. It’s rare enough to be vegan in Southern OH. I can assure you that I do not crave meat.