this whole mini-series..... when it first came out i was 12 yrs old... I'm 43 now still remember like it was yesterday.. I have the whole series ... i love it.. Patrick S. didn't get enough credit for this MY OPINION
In fact on both shores of the Atlantic I believe that this mini-series has truly marked the tv time of our generation , which was born in the seventies
rip Patrick should have been nominated for his exceptional acting in this miniseries...........He didn't get any recognition in this miniseries........I love how Orry rescued his best friend George from that hell whole of a prison.... They had good chemistry has friends together..... .
in 1986 I was 29. remember it so well. got it on vcr tape. when they do a tribute to Patrick swazey they need to include this, but they never do. wish they ed show this again.
Orry’s final line to George before they part ways should be the following, “You want the ultimate rush, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.”
That's true. Luckily, the bad apples on both sides in this war were in the minority. I also see this scene as an example of how war can bring out both the worst and the best in people. As an aside note, Wayne Newton's behavior when Orry shows up is pretty unrealistic. No mere captain would disobey, let alone try to kill, a full general bearing orders!
@@terrycourt123 exactly cause it would be easy and of course allowed to punish anyone disobeying a general no matter what if it's the army or a Prison camp
Perhaps not a waste, just maybe better written, especially if PS was in the final installment. Didn't quite agree with George and Madeline getting together so quickly, but considering that Orry and Constance died brutally, I suppose it made sense. But they didn't have to introduce the KKK. That took a good chunk away from the story line, IMO.😢😢
This mini-series I love I remember keep me out in the 85-86 I remember when I was 12 and 13 when he came out thank you for showing this all right now on myself a plantation I'm running for president of the Confederate States of America God save the South God bless the Confederate States of America God bless Brigadier General Patrick Swayze God bless Brigadier General orry Main of Mont Royal Plantation South Carolina sir
I've always loved George & Orry's friendship; theirs was true & endured everything!! Good friends truly are hard to find & should always be treasured!! 💘 🎖 👨 😍 👢🏡 🎖✌
This is a good example of the problems that existed on both sides of the war, the sadists who enjoyed causing pain to prisoners or to opposition. Like some of the goings on that happened with soliders that raided homes, raped the women and stole their livestock, food and other things. The evils of war, they will exist as long it does.
Civil wars can be the worst when it comes to inhuman treatment of 'enemy' combatants. I'm from Greece and we had a civil war right after the end of WW2 between 1946 and 1949. Greece was occupied by the German forces in WW2 and we suffered greatly under their occupation, but having personally spoken to combatants on both sides of the civil war, the captured soldiers endured torture even the Nazis never inflicted on us...
the shame is that after civil war, the blue army recognized the valour of former foe countrymen, and cleverly they didn't reduce all the Johnny rebs to private, because they knew that they had undergone too many defeats (also the best generals of Far west like Sherman, SHERIDAN, Howard and Grant before his presidency) to humble the southerners with the loss of every rank given that they had risked to endanger the democracy through these defeats. So RECOGNIZATION OF VALOUR of the enemy was a kind of duty. But the shame remained . Who was southern general of the civil war became colonel in the best way or major and who was captain of CSA Army like Charles could be turned into non-commissioned officer. A true shame. Anyway also many yankees were turned into something different and lower in ranks, The same happened with important figures like Custer, who boasted always being a general till the same moment , when he was slaughtered at little Big Horne, but he had remained a lieutenant-colonel [it happened in that way when you had been officer of the volunteers instead of being officer of the regular US army]. For people who had toiled themselves and suffered in the Civil War and after it was not so simple to swallow such a mouthful after such a long career in the army and after bloody fightings with Indians and southerners. Anyway from fiction's point of view Orry had experienced a previous war in Mexico. A longer career must mean something after all also in the movies.
Fabian Schlabrendorf The situation of rank is more complicated than that, and is the result of how the war was fought, which required a drastic increase in the size of command structure and included an insanely fast promotion rate to help fill the gap. A majority of the forces were volunteers, which in all reality were militia, not regular military by then or now standards. Thus, many of the highest ranks were volunteer ranks, which were temporary and would last only as long as the war did. This was compounded by the 'brevet' system, where people would be promoted based on service or, more often, need, but it was a rank not a true increase in status or pay. This need also feeds the last point, the sheer difference in numbers of soldiers vs fully trained and ranked officers, compounded by the rate at which officers were then killed. They had so many gaps to fill that many ranks were based almost purely on 'well, the general and his staff are dead, so you're the new general lieutenant', and those ranks would only hold as long as they were needed. When the volunteer forces mustered out, the regular military strank back down to a manageable size, and officers returned to their normal status, plus possibly a promotion or two. The officers knew this was going to happen, but used their higher titles out of a sense of pride, honor, and acomplishment, and most informally referred to them as such out of respect.
@@scottedge4388 And remember what happens immediately after Bent says, "Ah'm gonna save mah empah!" My grandfather commented, "I guess they did that because they wanted his 'empah' to go off with a bang!"
@@RSLindsay I am sure that Philip Casnoff is a perfectly wonderful human being, but he really butchered that Southern accent. I'm a South Carolina boy and I have never heard anybody say "empah!" LOL
@@scottedge4388 Yeah, my dad is from South Carolina as well. He had issues with Bent's Southern accent. He's often said, "You can't really do a Southern accent unless you're actually from the South. Otherwise, you just sound like a Northerner doing a bad imitation of a Southern accent."
Ory's right to a point. Compassion still makes sense as long as the person you are compassionate to doesn't turn against you and comes back to hurt you or your loved ones. Elkanah Bent turns on both Ory and George in all 3 books and throughout the entire series of the 3 books North and South Books 1 and 2 as well as Heaven and Hell Book 3. Ory and George should have left Bent to drown in that frozen pond near West Point in 1842. It broke my heart and I cried for 2 days when I saw Heaven and Hell North and South Book 3 when Elkanah kills Constance Georges wife Constance. She was beatiful both inside and out to everyone. She should not have died as she did.
Esto demuestra que ,a veces una gran Amistad ,vale más que "partidismos y banderas" así fue la amistad entre Main y Hazard El espíritu es superior ,la división es provocada por hombres con ideas equivocadas como...la esclavitud del sur . La saga Norte y Sur ,es una magistral producción ,segui todos sus capítulos ,en esos años 🇺🇸🌟🌟👏👏 Un saludo ,Good nights !
You have to understand The character being portrayed by Wayne Newton. He had no problem questioning any kind of authority. It was a different time. He harassed Hazard and was suspect as to why he was being taken away. As the head of the prison, I think he had authority to have the order confirmed, especially under the circumstances......
In Civil War, there was not the military authority like by prussians. A General from the staff and a Major has to fight against a low ranked Captain ? YES, that's historicly correct. !!!...I LOVE this scene...!!!
They were. Well there were some parts I preferred in the series than in the books, but the books were wonderful. With the exception of Heaven and Hell. Not my favorite out of the trilogy.
I read bits and bits of Heaven and Hell. I haven't finished the 2nd book yet but I know what happens to Orry :( Oh yeah. I saw the series first so it threw me off competently that Orry, Ashton and Brett had an older brother they left out. One of the things I like from the series was how Clarissa was, even after her husband died. She didn't forget her children and was still strong.
Orry couldn’t go to captain Turner and say, “my name is General Main of President Jefferson Davis’ office, I am taking custody of General Hazzard. Have a nice day?”
Kind of stupid telling them his full name and rank when he's committing an illegal act of treason. He's a General yes, but as a Brigadier General he's also the lowest rank of Generals.
Great mini series The American Civil war indeed made friendships across the battle lines tough and of course families split down the middle 1860-1865..looking at 2021-22-..we may see that mankind has a short memory .. I compare the events to the prelude to what started this nations war ( 1860-1865). and its like history repeating itself.
I like how Orry is not indifferent like other soldiers and officers when he heard that his best friend is in one of the worst prisons in the Confederacy. True friendship right there.
I always thought that George and Orry were closer in the miniseries than in the book. In the book they never met during the war. In fact the last time they saw each other was in1861 when the war had just started shortly after sumter had fell.
It wasn't a matter of how close they were; during the Civil War the states were war zones. Soldiers from opposite sides just didn't go hang around together, it was considered treason and both parties could be hanged. Google Winfield Scott Hancock and Lewis Armistead - two real-life Mexican War best friends who ended up on opposite sides. They were both on the battlefield at Gettysburg but couldn't see each other. Armistead fell during Pickett's Charge; he had a package on him and left instructions to give it to Hancock if he died, but Hancock was wounded too. The package contained his personal Bible. Their friendship is wonderfully portrayed in the movie "Gettysburg."
@@SarahB1863 Well it's not just that. In the miniseries Orry and George shared the same interests like industrialization. While in the book Orry doesn't care about the future of industry or a post slavery world. His brother Cooper does. And so Orry and George don't become business partners instead George and Cooper and over a ship called the Star of Carolina instead of a cotton mill like in the miniseries. Also during the war Custer reunites with his best friend and former west point classmate James B. Washington. As you know the iconic picture of the two sitting together. So it could've been possible for soliders and officers from opposite sides to meet each other like those two.
However, in the book, it was Billy in Libby Prison, not George, and George did write to Orry asking him if he would help, to which Orry didn't hesitate to agree to do so. Also, right near the end of the war, before he was killed, Orry sent Madeline north through the lines to George's house at Belvedere where she would be safer than in Richmond or South Carolina with Sherman's army wreaking havoc.
In the John Jakes original book Orry and Charles rescue Billy, George´s younger brother, not George. this Is one of several differences between the tv serie and the original book.
@@robertisham5279 I have read the books some decades ago, so I cannot remember exactly how the text looked liked from the point of view of the characters but I remember the differences with the movies from the point of view of the contents . I remember only they were very great in size and they would have disheartened a reader with less patience. Anyway there were also some characters in the books , which don't appear in the movies, whereas the second book concerning the civil war is "wealthier" in historical data than the movie is, so that the director was likely compelled to remove or give up the reenactment of more battles, narrowing the background only to the main battles. However the movie is much better than the two books.
This is not the way this would have been handled by a Confederate officer wanting to help a northern friend. Chain of Command would have been respected and only whwen that was exhausted would something like this have been resorted to, if then. But it does play good for the camera.
@@echoes1891 Charles mentioned that. Prisoner exchanges had been halted. Also, as far as chain of command, Orry would have had to concoct a very good reason for Hazard's release/transfer. He could have noted the conditions of Libby prison , which were terrible, but at that point in the war, there wasn;t anyplace much better for Hazard to be, so it was best that Orry just helped him to escape north.
He had pneumonia believe it or not. The weather for the filming of both parts was so wacky, even the makers of the show admitted to it on the behind the scenes doc on the DVD. When they filmed the first one it was during the summer and it was super hot in the deep south, Patrick admitted it was hell filming the snow scenes. In between both parts the weather took it's toll and he started with a cold that went south and he got walking pneumonia, but he was being dedicated and refused to take time off. They decided not to ADR his scenes as he managed to do them intense regardless of it. I always felt sorry for him here, no telling how awful he felt and he had that outfit on.
this is the officers version of Andersonville and was considered 10x as worse. but in the book the hazard taken prisoner was act billy and charles got him out without orrys involvement
This series was repeated quite frequently in the UK on the now defunct True Entertainment channel, now Sony Channel since 2019. The list of actors from the Golden age of Hollywood who appear in the first two series is brilliant. It will never happen again. But then, personally speaking, I don't think that the current Hollywood actors are that good, and certainly not very memorable. Heaven and Hell, the third installment I cannot take to.
The writer was bending over backwards to paint Orry as the good guy by highlighting his disapproval of the conditions at Libby prison, but really that's not a terribly savvy way to go about an operation like that. I mean, you're going there to get your guy and get out and hopefully make it look as smooth and bureaucratic as possible so as to arouse the least suspicion. If it were me, I'd have skipped all the pius pontificating over the conditions, maybe even grunted approvingly. When they brought George in I'd have had Orry introduce himself as "General Camby", feign mocking him and announce that he was there to _get answers_ from this close confidant of Lincoln, and even suggest that it was going to be a long, _LONG_ night for General Hazard. Maybe even suggest that his companion (Charles) was an accomplished expert in extracting information from reluctant sources. Of course, you could still have it where the whole thing blows up and Wayne Newton still ends up with a Bowie knife in the gut, but it would have been a lot more believable and less sugar-coated.
In the book, where Billy was the one in there not George, even before he found out Billy was in there, Orry was already regularly on the prison's case regarding the shocking conditions. He never went to the prison, but there is a conversation between the head honcho and an aide and they make reference to "that one armed Colonel" (in the first book, Orry loses an arm in Mexico, rather than acquire a mere limp). Also, when Charles rescues Billy (in the book), without Orry by his side, when they bring Billy out the way they did George in this mini-series scene, Billy unwittingly nearly stuffs the whole thing up by uttering Charles's west point nick-name 'Bison' out of surprise in seeing him there in his (Billy's) greatly weakened state.
GREAT SEIRIES !!!& DARE I SAY IT SHOWES THAT THE SOUTHERN MEN IN GENRAL WERE MENTALY !!!ENGLISH IN THIRE OUTLOOK & OF DOORS THE VERGINIA CONNECTION WAS TOTALY ENGLISH !!!I HAVE A GREAT 1894 Book WRITTEN AT THE Time 1867-1870 Then Published in 1894 IT HAS THE SOUTHERN TROOPS CALLING THIRE MUMS !!!MUMS NOT ITALIAN LATER Imigrant MOMS 😨✌👍g
When you are a scoundrel, who is used to commit everything also on unarmed and undefended prisoners, the form is something you don't care anymore about, let alone the rules.
Of course, but in both cases (also if the fictitious laid-out order had been true) and in the reality the general had other priorities opposite himself; interrogating the presumed general to obtain general information in a critical stage of the war , or as it was indeed , he aimed just to save a friend; it depends from the obsession for appearance of every military officer; the greatness of America has always been to look at the practical side of every matter, instead the European flaw was the one of focusing on the foolish form. That's the reason why Europe lost the main place in the political world and America, Japan and other countries have conquered it. The american soldiers have never made cruelties except when they have discovered the corpses or the dead bodies of the mates, as it happened in the Ardennes eighty years later, but there had also been conferences and gatherings to fix laws on the papers for all international fighting countries; Germans had tried to disguise as Americans to win a desperate battle and besides the international laws of Den Haag and Geneva, which forbid the wearing of foreign enemy uniform in fighting, there was also the slaughter of Malmedy and the rumours of German cruelties to toughen them. Appearance didn't matter so much for them
Fabian Schlabrendorf There wer no such rules in 1864 only gentlemanly conduct. Do you seriously Think that US Soldiers never commited warcrimes such as shooting prisoners?
Maybe the situation degenerated in Vietnam, maybe recently something happened in Middle east, but apart from the behaviour of some "rotten apples", we can never generalize; maybe US army has lost that savour of freedom, that it left, whenever it arrived before, but bad behaviour was an absolute heritage of the armies of the last centuries, of the past centuries like German Landsknechten, anyway it's not completely true that there weren't any laws of war at the time of civil war, because I found something and somewhere. I don't think I have dreamt it
Watched North and South so many times,friendship goes beyond war.Patrick Swayze so sadly missed.
so right
Compassion still makes sense. What a true test of friendship and brotherhood.
I love the friendship between Orry main, and George hazard.....
Orry main
My hero
What a hot rebel
Great way to maintain your humanity during war. There should be more friendships like this.
RIP ... PATRICK... YOU WERE A BEAUTIFUL MAN INSIDE AND OUT... MISS YOU...... THIS MINI-SERIES WAS AND STILL IS MY FAVORITE ....
yep, mine too, the best
Book I and II. Book III was a disgrace. Obviously so badly written that Patrick never contemplated being in it.
The minute Orry heard that George was in Libby Prison...”We’re getting George out NOW!!”
I remember my mother recording this on VHS when it aired. I used to watch it all the time with her. Always loved the war scenes.
this whole mini-series..... when it first came out i was 12 yrs old... I'm 43 now still remember like it was yesterday.. I have the whole series ... i love it.. Patrick S. didn't get enough credit for this MY OPINION
In fact on both shores of the Atlantic I believe that this mini-series has truly marked the tv time of our generation , which was born in the seventies
@@Faber9722 I agree!
I am glad about it
@@Faber9722 I am too!
The series score is amazing. You can just taste these other times.
If there's one man you dont want to get Into a knifefight with, its Charles Main ❤
I love that George Hazard is safe! ☀️🤗❤
The true test of friendship, Orry going against his own army to save George.
When George and Orry ran across each other earlier in the series, George could have easily turned him in, but didn;t.
True true
I did, and I was impressed that he still got up and did his job.
Love Patrick Swayze, he was amazing.
rip Patrick should have been nominated for his exceptional acting in this miniseries...........He didn't get any recognition in this miniseries........I love how Orry rescued his best friend George from that hell whole of a prison.... They had good chemistry has friends together.....
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Not many people agree with this, but I do. I think he did a great job.
This series led me to read all the books in the North and South trilogy. Its as good as the series.
I recently rewatched North and South, such an amazing series. First time I watched it with my dad when I was a kid. Great memories.
Great scene, great miniseries...
in 1986 I was 29. remember it so well. got it on vcr tape. when they do a tribute to Patrick swazey they need to include this, but they never do. wish they
ed show this again.
So was my mom.
I was also 29 years old in 1986. I loved this series, loved Patrick. Later on I fell in love with him again as Johnny Castle.
I also read that the director wanted to stop shooting and allow him to rest. Patrick wouldn't do it. Amazing. He will be missed.
Tough Texian!
A real inspiration to friendship........ Compassion still makes sense 👍
I love this scene
Orry’s final line to George before they part ways should be the following, “You want the ultimate rush, you gotta be willing to pay the ultimate price.”
80's glory
Great series
Compassion still makes sense.
Southern men of honor.
Patriot Sons of Liberty northern men of honor
That's true. Luckily, the bad apples on both sides in this war were in the minority. I also see this scene as an example of how war can bring out both the worst and the best in people.
As an aside note, Wayne Newton's behavior when Orry shows up is pretty unrealistic. No mere captain would disobey, let alone try to kill, a full general bearing orders!
Always thought that you wouldn’t defy a General,Great series loved it.
@@terrycourt123 exactly cause it would be easy and of course allowed to punish anyone disobeying a general no matter what if it's the army or a Prison camp
Thanks for the great video . Patrick will be in our heart for ever ❤.
The first two miniseries were great.
I’m assuming you concur that the third was a waste of film.
@@jeffthornton6998 In deed it was
Perhaps not a waste, just maybe better written, especially if PS was in the final installment. Didn't quite agree with George and Madeline getting together so quickly, but considering that Orry and Constance died brutally, I suppose it made sense. But they didn't have to introduce the KKK. That took a good chunk away from the story line, IMO.😢😢
The best series ever
@ruadhrose And both Orry and George were good examples of good, fair soldiers that tried to do right despite their differences and opposition.
This mini-series I love I remember keep me out in the 85-86 I remember when I was 12 and 13 when he came out thank you for showing this all right now on myself a plantation I'm running for president of the Confederate States of America God save the South God bless the Confederate States of America God bless Brigadier General Patrick Swayze God bless Brigadier General orry Main of Mont Royal Plantation South Carolina sir
I wish I was back in those days
Anyone ever notice that Patrick Swayze was fighting a VERY bad cold during the shooting of several scenes in Part 2? Just listen...
Wow 😳
Shows what commitment he had. Such a great actor gone too soon.😔
The way Charles talked about George being imprisoned in Libby's Prison and said in such a casual way. I'm like damm!
I've always loved George & Orry's friendship; theirs was true & endured everything!! Good friends truly are hard to find & should always be treasured!! 💘 🎖 👨 😍 👢🏡 🎖✌
This was a great mini-series. They don't make them like they used to.
Every good episode friends and family helping each every out.
4:09 Damn Swayze went Roadhouse on him!!!
This is a good example of the problems that existed on both sides of the war, the sadists who enjoyed causing pain to prisoners or to opposition. Like some of the goings on that happened with soliders that raided homes, raped the women and stole their livestock, food and other things. The evils of war, they will exist as long it does.
Civil wars can be the worst when it comes to inhuman treatment of 'enemy' combatants. I'm from Greece and we had a civil war right after the end of WW2 between 1946 and 1949. Greece was occupied by the German forces in WW2 and we suffered greatly under their occupation, but having personally spoken to combatants on both sides of the civil war, the captured soldiers endured torture even the Nazis never inflicted on us...
Love this mini series. Did you know in the book Billy was the one who was captured and and rescued by Charles?
Yes, and Orry found out about it when George wrote him a letter asking him if he could help, to which Orry wrote back saying of course he would try.
I always thought that a young Lewis Smith (Charles Maine) looks a whole lot like current James Franco.
Never, ever come between brothers of different mothers. They chose each other other
Compassion will always make sense.
Thank you for the Great video
Great mini series
they may be first cousins , but Orry still outranks Charles
the shame is that after civil war, the blue army recognized the valour of former foe countrymen, and cleverly they didn't reduce all the Johnny rebs to private, because they knew that they had undergone too many defeats (also the best generals of Far west like Sherman, SHERIDAN, Howard and Grant before his presidency) to humble the southerners with the loss of every rank given that they had risked to endanger the democracy through these defeats. So RECOGNIZATION OF VALOUR of the enemy was a kind of duty. But the shame remained . Who was southern general of the civil war became colonel in the best way or major and who was captain of CSA Army like Charles could be turned into non-commissioned officer. A true shame. Anyway also many yankees were turned into something different and lower in ranks, The same happened with important figures like Custer, who boasted always being a general till the same moment , when he was slaughtered at little Big Horne, but he had remained a lieutenant-colonel [it happened in that way when you had been officer of the volunteers instead of being officer of the regular US army]. For people who had toiled themselves and suffered in the Civil War and after it was not so simple to swallow such a mouthful after such a long career in the army and after bloody fightings with Indians and southerners. Anyway from fiction's point of view Orry had experienced a previous war in Mexico. A longer career must mean something after all also in the movies.
Fabian Schlabrendorf The situation of rank is more complicated than that, and is the result of how the war was fought, which required a drastic increase in the size of command structure and included an insanely fast promotion rate to help fill the gap. A majority of the forces were volunteers, which in all reality were militia, not regular military by then or now standards. Thus, many of the highest ranks were volunteer ranks, which were temporary and would last only as long as the war did. This was compounded by the 'brevet' system, where people would be promoted based on service or, more often, need, but it was a rank not a true increase in status or pay. This need also feeds the last point, the sheer difference in numbers of soldiers vs fully trained and ranked officers, compounded by the rate at which officers were then killed. They had so many gaps to fill that many ranks were based almost purely on 'well, the general and his staff are dead, so you're the new general lieutenant', and those ranks would only hold as long as they were needed. When the volunteer forces mustered out, the regular military strank back down to a manageable size, and officers returned to their normal status, plus possibly a promotion or two. The officers knew this was going to happen, but used their higher titles out of a sense of pride, honor, and acomplishment, and most informally referred to them as such out of respect.
Wayne Newton says, "I never heard of no General Canby." Actually, there was a General Edward Canby in the Civil War...but he was on the Union side.
That line always made my Grandma laugh, along with Bent's "Ah'm gonna save mah empah!"
@@scottedge4388 And remember what happens immediately after Bent says, "Ah'm gonna save mah empah!" My grandfather commented, "I guess they did that because they wanted his 'empah' to go off with a bang!"
@@RSLindsay I am sure that Philip Casnoff is a perfectly wonderful human being, but he really butchered that Southern accent. I'm a South Carolina boy and I have never heard anybody say "empah!" LOL
@@scottedge4388 Yeah, my dad is from South Carolina as well. He had issues with Bent's Southern accent. He's often said, "You can't really do a Southern accent unless you're actually from the South. Otherwise, you just sound like a Northerner doing a bad imitation of a Southern accent."
Ory's right to a point. Compassion still makes sense as long as the person you are compassionate to doesn't turn against you and comes back to hurt you or your loved ones. Elkanah Bent turns on both Ory and George in all 3 books and throughout the entire series of the 3 books North and South Books 1 and 2 as well as Heaven and Hell Book 3. Ory and George should have left Bent to drown in that frozen pond near West Point in 1842. It broke my heart and I cried for 2 days when I saw Heaven and Hell North and South Book 3 when Elkanah kills Constance Georges wife Constance. She was beatiful both inside and out to everyone. She should not have died as she did.
Never bring a knife to a Charles fight
Esto demuestra que ,a veces una gran Amistad ,vale más que "partidismos y banderas" así fue la amistad entre Main y Hazard El espíritu es superior ,la división es provocada por hombres con ideas equivocadas como...la esclavitud del sur . La saga Norte y Sur ,es una magistral producción ,segui todos sus capítulos ,en esos años 🇺🇸🌟🌟👏👏 Un saludo ,Good nights !
muy bueno...esta aqui Ustados Unidos..no mi gusto esta guerra la tiempo de North y South
Since when does a Captain question a Brigadier General and a Major.
Yup.
You have to understand The character being portrayed by Wayne Newton. He had no problem questioning any kind of authority. It was a different time. He harassed Hazard and was suspect as to why he was being taken away. As the head of the prison, I think he had authority to have the order confirmed, especially under the circumstances......
Hell a corporal was questing the general first lol. Dem rebs werent much for discipline in the first place.
@@drmartin5062 I think we can assume this was to build tension for the audience.
Hollywood make-believe.
When they don't care if they follow orders. The very reason the military has the authority to court-martial and dishonorably discharge.
Love this scene. When the enemy saved George Mann
,rip Patrick swayze he had no voice here.... He has a bad cold or laryngitis here....
Well he did say over his dead body
LOL
In Civil War, there was not the military authority like by prussians. A General from the staff and a Major has to fight against a low ranked Captain ? YES, that's historicly correct. !!!...I LOVE this scene...!!!
In the book it was actually Billy who was captured and rescued by Charles. Billy got treated a lot worse than what we saw George go through.
They were. Well there were some parts I preferred in the series than in the books, but the books were wonderful. With the exception of Heaven and Hell. Not my favorite out of the trilogy.
I read bits and bits of Heaven and Hell. I haven't finished the 2nd book yet but I know what happens to Orry :( Oh yeah. I saw the series first so it threw me off competently that Orry, Ashton and Brett had an older brother they left out. One of the things I like from the series was how Clarissa was, even after her husband died. She didn't forget her children and was still strong.
@@LilyZerep I agree especially about what you said about Clarissa.
Hungry eyes plays when george enters the room.
Orry couldn’t go to captain Turner and say, “my name is General Main of President Jefferson Davis’ office, I am taking custody of General Hazzard. Have a nice day?”
Kind of stupid telling them his full name and rank when he's committing an illegal act of treason. He's a General yes, but as a Brigadier General he's also the lowest rank of Generals.
, when orry Main heard George was in prison there orry Main said we're getting him out of there they had honor back then
Please upload the whole book please ?! Lol love this mini series
I love it too
It already is uploaded
Captain Turner messed with the wrong person for a knife fight against Charles.
Call out the main guard!
Call out the main guard!
Jman👀
That's why I like about the civil war true love romance did you see that here in the 21st century no.
Ah, Christmas time 1864… a bleak time for those boys in gray…😢
Great mini series The American Civil war indeed made friendships across the battle lines tough and of course families split down the middle 1860-1865..looking at 2021-22-..we may see that mankind has a short memory .. I compare the events to the prelude to what started this nations war ( 1860-1865). and its like history repeating itself.
Lincolns in laws were Southern. Very volatile times.
Compassion still makes sense
I like how Orry is not indifferent like other soldiers and officers when he heard that his best friend is in one of the worst prisons in the Confederacy. True friendship right there.
I never heard of no general camby
Actually, there was a General Edward Canby in the Civil War...but he was on the Union side.
I always thought that George and Orry were closer in the miniseries than in the book. In the book they never met during the war. In fact the last time they saw each other was in1861 when the war had just started shortly after sumter had fell.
It wasn't a matter of how close they were; during the Civil War the states were war zones. Soldiers from opposite sides just didn't go hang around together, it was considered treason and both parties could be hanged.
Google Winfield Scott Hancock and Lewis Armistead - two real-life Mexican War best friends who ended up on opposite sides. They were both on the battlefield at Gettysburg but couldn't see each other. Armistead fell during Pickett's Charge; he had a package on him and left instructions to give it to Hancock if he died, but Hancock was wounded too. The package contained his personal Bible. Their friendship is wonderfully portrayed in the movie "Gettysburg."
@@SarahB1863 Well it's not just that. In the miniseries Orry and George shared the same interests like industrialization. While in the book Orry doesn't care about the future of industry or a post slavery world. His brother Cooper does. And so Orry and George don't become business partners instead George and Cooper and over a ship called the Star of Carolina instead of a cotton mill like in the miniseries. Also during the war Custer reunites with his best friend and former west point classmate James B. Washington. As you know the iconic picture of the two sitting together. So it could've been possible for soliders and officers from opposite sides to meet each other like those two.
However, in the book, it was Billy in Libby Prison, not George, and George did write to Orry asking him if he would help, to which Orry didn't hesitate to agree to do so. Also, right near the end of the war, before he was killed, Orry sent Madeline north through the lines to George's house at Belvedere where she would be safer than in Richmond or South Carolina with Sherman's army wreaking havoc.
@@Bernie8330 Yeah I already know all this
Charlie don't you care no more I love you
Sounds like Orry has a cold with a sore throat
Libby Prison was Hell on Earth
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In the John Jakes original book Orry and Charles rescue Billy, George´s younger brother, not George. this Is one of several differences between the tv serie and the original book.
Yes it's true, let alone the destiny of Captain Turner
@@Faber9722 I always thought the books were more Billy and Charles centric while the miniseries was more Orry and George centric.
@@robertisham5279 I have read the books some decades ago, so I cannot remember exactly how the text looked liked from the point of view of the characters but I remember the differences with the movies from the point of view of the contents . I remember only they were very great in size and they would have disheartened a reader with less patience. Anyway there were also some characters in the books , which don't appear in the movies, whereas the second book concerning the civil war is "wealthier" in historical data than the movie is, so that the director was likely compelled to remove or give up the reenactment of more battles, narrowing the background only to the main battles. However the movie is much better than the two books.
Yes! And I if I'm not mistaken, Billy was treated way worse in the book than what we saw George go through. 👀
@@LilyZerep True and instead of a Captain Turner there was a Corporal Clyde Vessey who was more sadistic than Turner.
This is not the way this would have been handled by a Confederate officer wanting to help a northern friend. Chain of Command would have been respected and only whwen that was exhausted would something like this have been resorted to, if then. But it does play good for the camera.
Wasn't there a breakdown of prisoner exchange at this point? Could have been difficult.
@@echoes1891 Charles mentioned that. Prisoner exchanges had been halted. Also, as far as chain of command, Orry would have had to concoct a very good reason for Hazard's release/transfer. He could have noted the conditions of Libby prison
, which were terrible, but at that point in the war, there wasn;t anyplace much better for Hazard to be, so it was best that Orry just helped him to escape north.
Patrick must've had a cold...
He had pneumonia believe it or not. The weather for the filming of both parts was so wacky, even the makers of the show admitted to it on the behind the scenes doc on the DVD. When they filmed the first one it was during the summer and it was super hot in the deep south, Patrick admitted it was hell filming the snow scenes. In between both parts the weather took it's toll and he started with a cold that went south and he got walking pneumonia, but he was being dedicated and refused to take time off. They decided not to ADR his scenes as he managed to do them intense regardless of it. I always felt sorry for him here, no telling how awful he felt and he had that outfit on.
Does anyone have the clip where George was captured by the Rebels
Gaorge was escorting a train of munitions, which was raided and captured.
I'm more of a The Blue and The Grey guy myself but this was a pretty good show.
this is the officers version of Andersonville and was considered 10x as worse. but in the book the hazard taken prisoner was act billy and charles got him out without orrys involvement
Isn't it amazing how TV in the mid-80s looked a lot like bad movies from the 60s?
@Jethro Derp yeah, I was there...
This series was repeated quite frequently in the UK on the now defunct True Entertainment channel, now Sony Channel since 2019.
The list of actors from the Golden age of Hollywood who appear in the first two series is brilliant. It will never happen again. But then, personally speaking, I don't think that the current Hollywood actors are that good, and certainly not very memorable.
Heaven and Hell, the third installment I cannot take to.
Confederate or not I love you Charlie
The writer was bending over backwards to paint Orry as the good guy by highlighting his disapproval of the conditions at Libby prison, but really that's not a terribly savvy way to go about an operation like that. I mean, you're going there to get your guy and get out and hopefully make it look as smooth and bureaucratic as possible so as to arouse the least suspicion.
If it were me, I'd have skipped all the pius pontificating over the conditions, maybe even grunted approvingly. When they brought George in I'd have had Orry introduce himself as "General Camby", feign mocking him and announce that he was there to _get answers_ from this close confidant of Lincoln, and even suggest that it was going to be a long, _LONG_ night for General Hazard. Maybe even suggest that his companion (Charles) was an accomplished expert in extracting information from reluctant sources.
Of course, you could still have it where the whole thing blows up and Wayne Newton still ends up with a Bowie knife in the gut, but it would have been a lot more believable and less sugar-coated.
What a man
In the book, where Billy was the one in there not George, even before he found out Billy was in there, Orry was already regularly on the prison's case regarding the shocking conditions. He never went to the prison, but there is a conversation between the head honcho and an aide and they make reference to "that one armed Colonel" (in the first book, Orry loses an arm in Mexico, rather than acquire a mere limp).
Also, when Charles rescues Billy (in the book), without Orry by his side, when they bring Billy out the way they did George in this mini-series scene, Billy unwittingly nearly stuffs the whole thing up by uttering Charles's west point nick-name 'Bison' out of surprise in seeing him there in his (Billy's) greatly weakened state.
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Officers did not go to Andersonville .
Wayne Newton as a "heavy?
is that wayne newton??
Yep.
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What’s wrong with you?? What do you mean nothin.
Ladies in distress
So a corporal argues with a general well that is not very realistic.
When you are a scoundrel, who is used to commit everything also on unarmed and undefended prisoners, the form is something you don't care anymore about, let alone the rules.
Fabian Schlabrendorf He could have him brought out and have him shot because he refused to obey an order.
Of course, but in both cases (also if the fictitious laid-out order had been true) and in the reality the general had other priorities opposite himself; interrogating the presumed general to obtain general information in a critical stage of the war , or as it was indeed , he aimed just to save a friend; it depends from the obsession for appearance of every military officer; the greatness of America has always been to look at the practical side of every matter, instead the European flaw was the one of focusing on the foolish form. That's the reason why Europe lost the main place in the political world and America, Japan and other countries have conquered it. The american soldiers have never made cruelties except when they have discovered the corpses or the dead bodies of the mates, as it happened in the Ardennes eighty years later, but there had also been conferences and gatherings to fix laws on the papers for all international fighting countries; Germans had tried to disguise as Americans to win a desperate battle and besides the international laws of Den Haag and Geneva, which forbid the wearing of foreign enemy uniform in fighting, there was also the slaughter of Malmedy and the rumours of German cruelties to toughen them. Appearance didn't matter so much for them
Fabian Schlabrendorf There wer no such rules in 1864 only gentlemanly conduct. Do you seriously Think that US Soldiers never commited warcrimes such as shooting prisoners?
Maybe the situation degenerated in Vietnam, maybe recently something happened in Middle east, but apart from the behaviour of some "rotten apples", we can never generalize; maybe US army has lost that savour of freedom, that it left, whenever it arrived before, but bad behaviour was an absolute heritage of the armies of the last centuries, of the past centuries like German Landsknechten, anyway it's not completely true that there weren't any laws of war at the time of civil war, because I found something and somewhere. I don't think I have dreamt it
Id like to think if i was from the south i wouldve gone up north to join the union army
See back is the civil war er. It was romance.. a little slavery in it North and men.r gentleman in the lady would be ladies
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Funny how sergeants and captains have no respect for a general.............. (and I'm not even gonna mention the poor acting...........)
I don't know who was in charge of lighting this miniseries, but it's awful. Didn't anybody notice the gigantic shadow across the ceiling?
Great series
Well he did say over his dead body