Appreciate your comment, and I do get what you're saying. But the issue I outlined in the video was a) it's dominated by a single nation, and b) it spent more than 50 years NOT as an Olympic sport, so it's not completely self-evident, at least there was a long stretch of time where it wasn't
archery is also a skill that has been part of human civilization since time immemorial. No particular nation or civilization had a headstart in it. Cant blame Korea if others arent good enough
Eliminate: ride horse, horses cannot be stable& controled in quality like archery or gun walking: no way to know how valid rule. Improve: breakdance: recommend the score moves like gymnastics trampoline: just count how many santos hand ball: decrease the area of goal & make a line that you can pass over to score. motor race& sailing: just use 1 kind of motor, 1 kind of sail. archery, shooting, fencing, pingpong: so ridiculous for eliminating, it's very clear in scoring. Because Asian?😅 Why white Nordic people can compete with Asian but other countries can't ???.
For table tennis (specifically the 2nd part) I don’t agree with that because by that logic a sport like basketball should also be removed because the United States has won nearly every gold medal since it became an Olympic Sport even though it’s a globally popular game. Also table tennis is very entertaining to watch so I’d keep it an Olympic Sport
I can appreciate that, and not all folks will agree that having a single dominant nation in a sport means it should come out (heck, I'm Canadian, so I should have put women's hockey on the list)
Women’s softball removed from Olympics precisely because USA guaranteed a gold medal. The answer is NOT to ban a sport because one country is just too good, it’s the rest of the world that has to catch up. Hand Ball definitely banned for lack of worldwide interest
@@NoName-zm1ks For sure agree that the rest of the world needs to catch up. But in the meantime, do you just keep it going with the gold medal already a foregone conclusion? If so, for how long? What if the rest of the world never catches up?
@@voxathleticaWhat about Diving? After debut of PRC in 1984 Summer Olympics majority of Gold medals won by china . More than 90% so according to you diving is also removed from Olympics programme.
This is possibly the worst list I've ever seen on TH-cam. Most of these sports may not be popular in the US but they are elsewhere. Fencing and handball are important for exemple in my country. You must be from America for sure ! There are other countries in the world.
It's insane to argue that Handball is not globally recognized sport. Very popular in most of Europe and popular in a lot of African countries (especially in north africa) and South America and even though Australia is not very good, they are still a country that plays it in on a quite high level. Throw in some middle east countries (Qatar was in a world cup final a few years ago, Saudi and Iran are decent) and every continent except North America plays it.
@@voxathletica there's 12 countries in handball, there's also 12 countries in women's football, basketball, volleyball, field hockey and rugby. your main point is absolutely null and void.
@@voxathletica Handball has some very old World cup since the 70's !!! and was attended by thousands in the recent edition 2023... Rugby is much less popular globally ,though I like it ..
@@passinen Tell him please ,I am Egyptian and sure you know how important it is to more than 160 million people living in North Africa !!.. Not to mention South America and Asia It is very popular in Russia too or is that the real reason for the IOC ...
As someone who's entire career is in fencing, I;m actually offended. The elitist BS has been around for years...have you not looked at or O-Games teams for the last three decades?? At times it's been pretty damned diverse. I have worked as event staff at every level of competition in the US and I see PLENTY of people who are average...they just love the sport. We've medaled at every O-Games since 2004, all three colors, including back to back golds in women's sabre and women's foil. We've had several fencers be ranked #1 in the world in their weapon. We've had multiple world champions. As for the popularity...US Summer Nationals is the largest fencing tournament in the WORLD. It's 10 days of competition -- age ranges from Y (Y) 8, Y10, Y10, Y14, Cadet (under 17), Junior (under 20), Sr. (13 and up), Veteran 40, 50, 60, 70, 80...both genders, all three weapons, both individual and team events (although not all age ranges have a team component). There are scholastic leagues I'm aware of in Southern California and New England that have schools from all areas -- public, private, charter, etc. I WAS going to give the channel a chance....but not after this display of utter ignorance.
I appreciate your thoughtful response as well as your experience and perspectives on fencing. It clearly comes from an informed and passionate place, I respect that. Thanks for at least checking out the video and providing your thoughts
I agree. Fencing is a competition that goes back hundreds of years. It requires years and years of practice. I think the author of this article is not well versed in individual sports and probably is a sports TV watcher rather than a participant.
Modern pentathlon, if you remove that remove the decathlon and the pentathlon! People in speed walking will be faster than you running. If you complain about countries dominating, MICHEAL PHELPS WON 8 GOLD MEDALS AT ONE OLYMPICS, that’s dominating. Just because USA doesn’t win doesn’t mean you diss it off.
People keep bringing up the United States, I have no idea what that has to do with anything. I'm Canadian, I have no clue what bearing the US has on this. Unless it's because you think I'm American?
I made an entire video on 10 sports that aren't in the Olympics that I think should be, check it out and let me know what you think. And no tiddlywinks :)
@@voxathletica that list wasn’t that good tbf, just reinventing long jump and high jump (what?) the only one I properly got was XC running. Modern pentathlon, if you remove that remove the decathlon and the pentathlon! People in speed walking will be faster than you running. If you complain about countries dominating, MICHEAL PHELPS WON 8 GOLD MEDALS AT ONE OLYMPICS, that’s dominating. Just because USA doesn’t win doesn’t mean you diss it off.
Hello Mr @@voxathletica. Here's a fun video idea: you can invite viewers to change your mind on the mentioned sports. I watched fencing for the first time at the Olympics and it was super fun. It requires lots of skill. I would definitely watch that video if you do end up inviting people.
@@FlashGotdin-ky3ui You're not wrong, I think football at the Olympics is dumb. It plays second fiddle to a bunch of other events like the Euros, Copa, and the World Cup. Plus it's not best-on-best, as it is U-23 only. So either getting rid of it or putting something else in that is related to football like futsal makes more sense
What a truly weird list, and rather North America-centered. Fencing? It has been a staple of the Olympics since the beginning, and is hardly elitist with competitors from all over the world with strong showing from both the Middle East and Asia, not just British aristocrats. Archery? Likewise a sport with historical ties and helps to globalize the sport with its huge popularity in East Asia. Shooting? School shooting and gun control problems are hardly universal across the globe, and if anything shooting sports are a good example of responsible firearm usage. Handball? There were only 12 teams in the Olympic because only 12 are qualified. 59 countries signed up teams but were beaten out in the qualifications. Modern pentathlon? Yet again deep historic ties, and if any sports could be dismissed as elitist it could be this one since you weren’t allowed to compete in it before unless you were a European nobleman or a commissioned officer. And if it pleases you, it will be changed to next Olympics to remove the equestrian part of the modern pentathlon. Equestrian? Has been a part of it since the beginning, is a popular global sport with participants from all continents and similarly to fencing is hardly elitist anymore. Table tennis? One of the most popular sports globally, with literally tens of millions if not hundreds of spectators, participants and interested. And that China dominates it? Yes, it’s their national sport with 1.3 billion people, not really surprising. Trampoline? Yeah, might be a fair take. Race walking? May actually be a fair point since it is the one sport in which almost everyone ”cheats” and they aren’t allowed to use cameras to check for cheating (i.e. at least one foot on the ground) and can only use the naked eye. Sailing? I guess the same counter-points would be as for fencing and equestrian. Historical ties, not elitist anymore and with a global following. As for why something like NASCAR or F1 isn’t in the Olympics is because they had a motor sport event in the early Olympics which was so disastrous that the IOC decided to ban all motor sports permantently from the Olympics.
Thanks for your detailed and thoughtful response, it's great to hear your perspectives as well as those of other viewers. A few comments from my side in response: - Several of your comments align with "well it's always been there, it's part of the history, etc.". This isn't really a valid reason to be there, dozens of events over the years have come and gone as part of the ebbs and flows of the games. If it's all about history and tradition, how are things like skateboarding, BMX cycling, surfing, climbing, breaking, etc. permitted? - For handball, you note that 59 countries signed up to try and qualify. That kind proves my point, there's like 206 National Olympic Committees, which means nearly 3/4 of all countries didn't even bother trying to qualify. And of those 59 countries, the vast majority are in Europe. On the men's side, the only Asian qualifier, Japan, has gotten destroyed in Paris 2024. And the only South American qualifier, Argentina, has been destroyed even worse. Zero representation from North America, Africa, or Australia. That's hardly a global sport, which was the point I was trying to make in the video. Amazing sport, no doubt, but not globally popular enough. - For Modern Pentathlon, the removal of the equestrian component literally proves my point. Why is it being removed as a part of the pentathlon? Because it's out of date and doesn't belong there. And if it doesn't belong in the pentathlon, why does it belong as a stand alone event? And if it's all about history as you say, then shouldn't it stay as a wonderful part of this proud tradition? - For Sailing, 44 countries of the world are landlocked, that already knocks out more than 20% of all countries. And the technology has become so advanced and expensive that poor nations would never stand a chance. Sailing as transportation is uniquely human, sailing as a past time is accessible, but sailing as a competitive sport is for rich nations only Again, I appreciate your specific feedback, it's very informed and I think our respective disagreements boil down to differing perspectives, on which there is lots of room for both of us! And I'm glad we at least agree on racewalking :)
Let me get this straight. If you don't like, or cannot understand a sport, then it should not be competed. I have a suggestion for you. If you don't like a sport, don't watch it. The opinions you express here are insulting and childish.
Well you said you wanted to get this straight, I'm afraid you didn't get it straight. I never said I didn't like these sports, I literally said in several of them (handball for instance) that I actually DID like the sports. My rationales for removing them from the game mainly come down to overlap with other events, global levels of competitiveness, or greater accessibility for the countries of the world
I'm not sure the reason for excluding Table tennis is strong enough. Yes, there is a China dominance. But, there are many such sports where one country dominates, e. g. Diving, Basketball, etc. Even if you look at very popular events like swimming, about 50% of gold medals go to USA alone. Moreover, there have been one-nation sports which became globalized through Olympics, e. g. Field Hockey. So, the case against TT isn't that strong.
You make a solid case for sure, it's hard to disagree with you and especially when you note some of the other events like swimming. I also like your point about keeping it in the games to help it's standing globally and encourage greater competition (this is the rationale for keeping women's hockey even though Canada and the USA are off the charts ahead of everyone else). Thanks for your thoughts!
@@zethyuen8859easiest sport to play at a recreational level, but one of the hardest to play at competitive level. It’s sprinting, chess, hiit all in one 😄
Dominance in team sports is sort of acceptable as the others still fight for the remaining two medals, but problem with TT is watching a gold medal match: China vs China. Maybe a slight change in the bracket forcing both players from a given country to play semifinals against each other would already make it a bit more interesting to watch (same for other sports with a playoff tournament and more than one athlete per country). I agree that the dominance on other sports that give tons of medals is another issue, but then the problem is the number of (not so different) events. Maybe keeping only free style and back for swimming and just short race plus relays would make it a bit more fair. I mean, if someone swims fast free style, likely he/she already does great in butterfly style as a training for the competition. Big team sports that last the whole duration of the games give one medal. While one swimmer can pick up several medals the same day. It is almost as insane as what used to happen with weightlifting giving a medal for each part of the event AND one for the total. Normally the same person would win both parts and get 3 medals. (Btw, Same logic could apply to other disciplines like gymnastics or track and field).
Outside the north american bubble, handball is a very popular sport. The fact that european teams dominate the events is not an excuse. Why not removing basketball because USA dominates it at the olimpics?
This is very biased, I’m not even 2 minutes in but archery is a sport common around the world, and just because basketball is dominated by the USA, doesn’t mean it should be removed. South Korea has won 5 times, the USA has won 16 times. South Korea has a 3x winning streak. The USA has 4x.
Table tennis as a sport is totally different from the recreational “Ping pong “ you do in your garage. Ask anyone who has played table tennis and other sports at a professional level and I’ll guarantee you that they’ll say table tennis is harder than all other racket sports in agility and technical aspects - its like HIIT with the quickest footwork, heavy spin and skills required in the sport is extremely complex and demanding, unlike what it looks like because the pros make it look easy. Look at the quads of top TT players! As per your analysis we should see 40+ yr old men winning TT medals similar to darts (horrible comparison). Also china is dominating TT since the 1990s because they decided it as a matter of pride and go to extreme levels of training… other nations like Japan and Germany are catching up. There’s no special inherent genetic gift which make the chinese better, it’s just plain hard work.
So yeah I'd totally agree that there is a big difference between my home ping pong action and the Olympics. No doubt it's very difficult at the elite level, just as all events are. And I certainly am not debating the physical capabilities of TT athletes, they're incredible. But you made my point for me with the second comment. China is off the charts dominant not because of a physical trait, but because of money, infrastructure, training, coaching, and culture. As such, until another country comes close to China in those categories, they will continue to be dominant and because they will be that dominant it goes against what the IOC themselves say they look for in events at the Olympics, which is why I included it in the list
@@voxathletica same goes for many sports - basketball, soccer, swimming, sprinting etc. when will we see the Indian team winning soccer or britain winning basketball? The only way to share more medals in a sport is making more events or some regulations in the sport for Olympics- like maybe introduce doubles matches or hardbat events etc. in Olympics TT has a regulation that only 2 players can represent a country in singles - that’s a good step to stop total Chinese domination and many have come close. Recently even couple indian players won the top chinese in the world championship- maybe it’s a flash in the pan, but it can happen in the Olympics too, you never know. Now many countries like Japan, Germany, France and many other European countries are very close competitors to china and anyone can win the gold - it’s not totally one sided as people think. One reason for such a skewed Olympic stats towards for china is because the sport is a new introduction (only in 1988) so we haven’t seen enough games yet to confirm total dominance.
@@josart699 Not really, you're looking at one final in one Olympics. Check the other table tennis draws this year, or other years. Dominance does not come from a single 2 week period and I never said they won EVERY medal
@@voxathleticathere’s greater dominance in other sports like diving, archery, swimming relay and basketball. China is dominant in TT, but it’s not as bad as you portray.
This list is pretty disrespectful for the sports you simply dislike and their rich history, specially racewalking, which has been around for almost two centuries
I'm not sure how to say it more clearly, in the video I outline that it's not a dislike for the sports and it's not about disrespect for their history. My position is they shouldn't be in the Olympics, not that they aren't bad sports. We can certainly agree to disagree, and even have a good-faith debate about it, but please don't twist my words
@lamelists I like how you have to be sort of diplomatic here but don't worry I got your back. Racewalking? Seriously? What's next? Handwalking, then just jumping on left hand? Olympics are getting more ridiculous every time!
@@kmozandin Appreciate you flagging it. The video I did was slightly different as it was where the USA has never won a GOLD medal, not just any medal, but close enough as it would be a VERY short list if it was events they've never won a medal at all!
I have zero interest for Handball, however your point of few teams (only 12) make not much sense... Volley-ball, Basketball, Field hockey, Football (except mens at 16) are as well only get 12 entries.
I do agree with your point, I was more trying to get across that Handball doesn't have a large, global appeal and a small field limits that further. For example, the other sports you referenced are more internationally known and played, so even the smaller fields of 12 in those sports are still interesting to a wide audience around the world
The issue with team sports is that there are a lot of matches to get through in a tournament, and in the case of the Olympics, you only have 16 days to contest them. (In fact, the Olympic soccer tournament actually starts the Wednesday before the opening ceremony.) Limiting the field to 12 teams is a necessity for brevity's sake (again going back to soccer, the upcoming UEFA Euro tournament has 24 teams and is set to run for a full month). That said, while handball isn't popular in the West, it's immensely popular in central and eastern Europe (as is water polo, which didn't make this list).
@@voxathleticathat its simply not true. Handball its not popular in North América, but do you want to check that on Europe, Middle east, North and central África?
I think you have the wrong taken on the olympics. It is supposed to be the amateur sports championships. The sports to get rid of are the sports that are lucrative enough to play as a legitimate career. Basketball and Soccer should be out as they have their own world cup events that nearly match the olympics. That being said, speed walking and sailing can certainly go (and youre right, darts should be added). In an ideal world, you watch people compete at something you could think 'that is doable while being very impressed by how the competitors do it.'
Thanks for the thoughtful comment, and I get what you're saying. It's always been a point of conflict to have the "professional" athletes included in the games when the spirit of the games is amateur competition. And given that many of the sports have their own world championships with equal or more value to them, their inclusion in the Olympics is an open question for sure
Yeah! I always say if athletes make more $$$$$ playing in their professional leagues, the sport should be kicked out of the Olympics. These 5 sports already have such robust fan base world wide and very deep professional scene. Many tennis players even drop out of the Olympics to play their tours.
I completely argree with sailing or race walking, but not ping pong. It is a very complex sport, I don't mean to rude here but you gotta be good ping pong to understand it. Moreover, it is a very cheap sport compare to like horse dancing, you just need a table and a racket to play.
China should be there but darts shouldn’t because barely anyone plays darts. Table tennis is a serious sport people around the globe love to play, especially Europe and asia
When you say "barely anyone plays darts", do you mean professionally or at all? Because I'm pretty sure tons more people play darts than play high jump or breakdancing or surfing or any number of other Olympic sports
Every single team sport is represented by 12 nations,this is not world cup of etc sport, basketball,waterpolo,volleyball,football all have 12 nations as this is seen as closer for best nations in world for said sport
Yes, Fencing is too elitist so it shouldn't be in, but if we're going to be ok with elitist events being in the games, then Polo is a good choice as well
How about basketball? You mentioned Archery and Table Tennis being dominated by a single country. The same can be said with basketball. Last loss was 20 years ago 😅
Swimming is an curious one as there aren't just different styles but different distances within the same style. Personally, I'd be with you to drop some of those. And glad we at least agreed on trampoline, thanks for checking out the video
Table Tennis is not a drinking game at all. If you really meet a professional player, you will realize they have the same discipline as any other elite athlete. The fact that a group of people mocks the sport for something else, does not make it unfit for olympic standards.
Folks keep doing this with this section, they absolutely zoom in on a single aspect of why I argued for its removal. And, by extension, completely neglect the other reasons presented for its removal. I think people are reacting emotionally to one aspect while not factoring in the fact that table tennis, in several ways, violates the IOC's own prerequisites for new events joining the games.
I appreciate your 16 seconds of time at least. As a new video creator, I'm still learning, so was it just the choices I made that you didn't like or was there something wrong with the actual video itself? Any constructive feedback is appreciated as I look to improve
@@westonk3420 Ok that's good to hear, if it was something technical I could improve for everyone then I'd love to hear about it. If it's just a difference of opinion, we can agree to disagree
What do you mean that ONLY 12 countries are represented in Handball? In every olympic team sport (except for football) the tournament consists of 12 countries. By that logic you could call for basketball, volleyball, water polo, rugby to be removed because it represents only 12 countries. In Handball world championships there are 32 teams not only from Europe, but handball is very popular also in Africa, Middle East, South America and some other countries. Just because it is not popular in US doesn't mean it is not a global sport
Hey, thanks for your comment. I should have made this a bit clearer than I did in the video because you're absolutely right. The global competition part of Handball is that while 12 teams made the Olympics, only about 55-60 nations even tried to QUALIFY for the Olympics in Handball. So only about 25% of all national Olympic committees even bothered trying, that doesn't seem very "global" to me. Furthermore, of the 12 teams at Paris 2024, 9 were from Europe and 1 was from North Africa, so it's highly regionalized, again it's not global. The other two teams were the Asian qualifier who got destroyed and the Americas qualifier who got destroyed. Both didn't win a single game in Paris and were dramatically outscored to the point of embarassment. So there is no way on Earth that Handball is a globally competitive sport, the stats just don't back that up. But I admit I worded this poorly in the video and I should have done better, my bad.
10 - It may be boring but it's a global sport and it seems less of an elitist thing than the "regatta club" type events. 9 - Actually it's one of those events that people like to watch in the olympics as its easy to understand. 8 - Not sure... 7 - It's one of those sports that is more popular in Europe than in the rest of the world, but it's not like its existence was that unknown. Also it's just 1 event per gender. 6 - Yes, it should be eliminated. 5 - I feel that this event will become controversial at some point. 4 - China may be dominant but that's not a reason to eliminate such a global sport. 3 - I think there could be more of a point for eliminating rhythmic gymnastics. 2 - They should just use a chip for the event. 1 - Yes? Maybe they should reduce it to just 1 event per gender.
Yes. You got a lot of these things wrong. I get that some of these are for "rich" people - but they are sports afterall. And some of these is growing larger and larger with each year. Look to handball for example. It used to be an European sport only, but both some of the African countries and Asian countries are getting better and more competive. As for shooting - you might have a point there. But let´s also be honest: It is only the US that has a major problem with guns. The rest of the world can figure out how to control theirs. Also: Are half of these events not why the Olympics rock? Because you get these niche sports you otherwise would not have seen or heard and don´t care about the rest of the year, but are suddenly extremly interesting
You make some fair point for sure, not certain I'd say I got them "wrong" as both of our opinions are subjective, but there are arguments for and against some of them and you definitely bring up some valid reasons to disagree
@@voxathletica Exactly. I had no idea who "Jesper Nielsen" was until he won silver at the last Olympics. I love that the Olympics can also put focus to these really small sports.
Swimming should be removed because only usa and australia who dominated that sport, swimming has 35 gold medal and only 2 country who will get that medal, so unfair.
I don't think swimming is quite as lopsided as you present, and certainly not compared to the other events mentioned in the video. But I do get your point as the Americans have always been very strong in swimming
I like your other videos , but this video hurt me and I believe it hurt a lot of other people too...removing a sport only because it was dominated by one country? if so , basketball should be on the top of removal list... I mean table tennis and archery are fun and popular all over the world, Should be retained as a permanent sports in Olympics...
I'm sorry to hear it "hurt" you and other viewers, that wasn't the point. It's not genuine to talk about what sports to be added without talking about what could/should come out. Heads and tails are just flip sides of the same coin, after all. I hope I didn't lose you as a subscriber over one video, but I fully appreciate that people have strong feelings on topics like this.
To be transparent I myself am a fencer, so obviously I will be biased in my argument for fencing NOT to be removed. However, I would like to mention that I personally started fencing in university where club dues were only $60 or about $120 a year and that gave me access to borrow club gear and I also was able to participate in tournaments at not much further cost. The sport gets a bad rap for being perceived as an extremely expensive sport, but I know many kick boxing gyms that cost just as much to be a member of and the only gear you need there is some gloves. Yes there are very "prestigious" fencing schools that cost an arm and a leg, but every sport has institutions like that. My personal local club that's been around since the 1950s here in the U.S. only costs $10 a week and you still get the benefits to borrow gear that you don't own. I will admit that I've been very annoyed with how fencing commentary is conducted, especially at events like the Olympics where non-fencers are likely to watch, and especially in Foil and Sabre since they have a complex rule set that determine who scores the touch when both lights go off. Often the commentary is said in such a way that they almost expect the viewer to know the different terminology and actions and that definitely will cause a higher barrier of entry for viewing. But in the same vain, I don't think the poor commentary and broadcasting format means that the sport fundamentally should be removed. At the end of the day, its a gamified form of fighting just like boxing, Tae Kwon Do or Judo and it allows for insane skill expression and personal style to be displayed. The difference in how South Korean fencers fence to how Italians fence shows that the sport is not isolated and contained to some single small group of people. It's a sport with a great community that is always trying to find the most optimal way to stand out in the competition and the Olympics are the biggest event in Fencing every 4 years, so taking Fencing out of the Olympics would severely hurt the sport I so desperately want to see grow. If you're reading this, thank you for taking the time to read my reply! I strongly believe that everyone should try out fencing if they have the chance. It is a sport many often do not picture themselves doing because of their pre-wired biases about the sport, but I promise once you try it you'll likely catch the fencing bug yourself. It's an extremely safe sport with an injury rate lower than badminton and I (a 24 year old) regularly compete against people well into their 70s who are still very capable in the sport. Hopefully my argument makes even a little bit of sense and I'm curious what others think!
Hey there, I really appreciate your thoughtful reply, I truly do. There have been a couple of vigorous defenders of fencing in these comments and it's been helpful for me to hear the perspectives of others, especially when they run contrary to my own. I think Fencing could indeed become much more popular, it's just not given the broad cultural support of so many other sports (which it sounds like you passionately would like to see change!). I admire your passion and I welcome your defense of the sport you hold so dear, thanks again for your comment
Handball? Wake up man! It's a huge sport anywhere else, than North America, Australia and England (for some reason). But not too popular to fit into the olympics. It's the absolute gold standard for european teams to qualify for the olympics. I would say, I don't get why football is stil an olympic event. The world cup and subsidiaries are all people care about. Some sports are just too big for the olympics in terms of popularity and scale (football, cricket etc.). That's not the case with handball. The olympics are also about the variety of sports. The stuff, that people only get to watch because of the olympics. Now you're saying, handball (a very popular and growing sport) should be out, because it's not popular enough? You're making zero sense...
Totally agree with you on football, not only is the World Cup a bigger deal, but so are smaller tournaments like the Euros, Champions League, etc. And being U-23, it's not best-on-best either, which feels kinda weird. It's a perfect example, as you say, of a sport being too big for the Olympics, which is a strange thought!
Shooting, Golf, Sailing, Racewalking, Breakdancing, Skateboarding, anything Artistic, anything with horses, anything judged. All should be removed. Table Tennis should stay. Its lacking in athleticism, but its very technical, and has some of the highest level hand--eye coordination in all of sports. Archery should get a pass too. Its ancient, and has been respected by all militaries across human history. Its arguably a martial art. The respect factor should give it the pass
Sounds like we agree on a few of them, I'm happy to hear it. The judged events has been a common grievance for folks too, and yeah I totally get it. And of course breakdancing, I am actually going to be posting a whole video on it next week, it's that bad
I've got a pretty different list. 1. Anything with a weight category - boxing, weightlifting etc.. Many sports favour various characteristics.. no lightweight shot putters or short basketballers. 2. Most of the team events..too many qualifying games and too many competitors to house in the village for only a handful of medals (and most have their own world champs)
Interesting points, thanks for your comment, I hadn't personally thought of the weight category aspect for example. And the point on the world championships is a good one, I've heard that as a reason to keep out certain sports but then it doesn't apply to others, so it's an odd one. Any team events that you think SHOULD stay in?
Quite a few folks have brought up the judged events and I lean towards agreeing. Anytime subjectivity comes into it, there is too much room for disagreement and personal opinions to creep in (and let's not start on any darker aspects of judging)
I never said it didn't take skill, it totally does! I've sailed many times myself, I'm definitely not knocking it. Just don't think it should be an Olympic event
@@athanasioskosmas3915 This provides a good breakdown: www.britannica.com/story/how-are-sports-chosen-for-the-olympics#:~:text=The%20Olympic%20Charter%20indicates%20that,countries%20and%20on%20three%20continents.
You'll have to add another event: 2024 Paris Olympics will have break dancing or breaking as an Olympic sport. When I saw that it was an event, I couldn't believe it! I will be watching out of curiosity!
When you look at table tennis and handball, perhaps your perception is limited in that these aren't popular in North America. There are sports where Canada and the US dominate, so having sports that European and Asian countries dominate is perfectly acceptable.
I understand your perspective, but I'd be supportive of dropping the sports that aren't globally competitive, regardless of my own biases. That already happened with Softball, for example, I totally supported that one coming out as the US just walked to the gold
As I said in the video, I like watching it too! It's just the lack of global appeal and competitiveness that drove me to include it, when it becomes more popular (and it will, it's an awesome game), then it'll come off my list
@@TriWongTRI I appreciate the response. On the violence item, I was pointing to the Shooting events as my lone example there. And I'm not against the violence aspect, in fact in another video on the Top 10 Sports that SHOULD be in the games, I included MMA. On the rich people thing, yes I definitely go after those sports, but that's because the Olympics are supposed to be a) universal, b) accessible, and c) amateur competition. Having events that are only accessible to rich people goes against that idea in my opinion.
@@TriWongTRI Fencing I said should be removed because it is elitist and not meaningful to most of the world. Archery I said should be removed because it is overtly dominated by a single country and it is not globally competitive. And modern pentathlon I said should be removed because it is outdated and all of the components of it have their own events already. No mention of violence for any of those three?
Motor racing has been featured at the Summer Olympics twice, though neither time as a full medal event. In 1900, it was a sport at the 1900 World's Fair like all other Olympic events, but has generally not been considered official. In 1936, an unofficial "Olympic Rally" was held, with prizes awarded
Archery is fun to watch i think it should stay in my opinion. They also introduced a mix event in 2020 that means it's super popular. I don't watch handball but I think it will get more popular as the years go by. Darts being in the Olympics would be pretty cool in my opinion. I think shooting is fine especially the ones where they shoot the disk. Trampling is really fun to watch I think that should stay.
I've definitely tried table tennis, I think just about everyone on earth has tried table tennis. And good point about Equestrian, but it doesn't change the points I made in the video about the event.
I put tennis and golf together personally, I could make an argument for them to be in and I could just as easily make an argument for them to be out. So I'm a fence-sitter on a couple of sports, that's for sure
What? Tennis is one of the most popular sports. And your logic doesnt make any sense. All sports need their equipment. And let me tell you, the athletes on the athletics arent training for the olympics free. They give a lot of money.
The majority of olympic sports could be removed from your bad logic of not accesible for everyone, not many teams, or sport’s dominated by one country, gynmastics, football, basketball, cycling, running, canoeing, rowing, climbing and more could be removed by your logic, the only ones I agree with is race walking and maybe equestrian
It's nothing personal against South Korea! if it makes you feel better, I'm Canadian and I think women's ice hockey should be removed from the Olympics
Hmm..so Archery needs to be banned because Korea has been dominating in the game? What about basketball that has been dominated by USA, should it be banned too?? 🤔
If the IOC goes by their word and truly values a globally competitive sport, then I would say yes. Again, that's not my prerequisite for EITHER archery or basketball, that's what the IOC themselves have said.
Here's my list: 1) Breakdancing. The strangest thing I've seen included in the Olympics 2) Rugby sevens. More of a spectacle than a sport. You see multiple teams compete at the same venue during a day. 14 minute matches? Isn't that what a demo is? 3) Men's football. It's rarely featured the best teams and the U23 format makes you wonder what is it doing at the Olympics. In normal football, Mexico and Nigeria have never gone past the quarters in the World Cup. 4) BMX freestyle & Skateboarding. I love these sports, but they are hobbies and spectacles. The atmosphere at these events felt more like friends enjoying themselves rather than sporting competitions. 5) Baseball. At this point the IOC have added too many sports
We definitely have some overlaps in thinking. I'm glad you brought up the Football one, the men's Olympic event is a shell of what it could be. World Cup, Euros, Copa, Champions League, etc. are all bigger and more prestigious, so it's a real problem for the Olympics. But the issue is that, on the women's side, it's massive and hugely important. So can you really have the women's side and not the men's side at the Olympics? Per the IOC, that's a no-go, so it's a tough one to resolve
He don't under stand what sport is and never try it so he can't make decision which sport shud leve the olympics. I am modern Pentathlon and I also love fencing These sports are increlibl iteresting. And modern pentathlon don't have ridding a y more insted we have Obsticle so don't even now about what hetalks. All other sports are also beutiful so he is tolking bulshit
Since the u.s. dominates dozens of events and the olympics themselves (gawdyly closing in on 3,000 medals) then perhaps they should be banned from the olympics period. P..s. nbc should be banned from covering them since instead of showind the actual sports- it's non-stop national anthem of every event the u.s. wins. Very north korean vibes~ lil bro
It's definitely been historically dominant, though it's less so in more recent years (especially once you adjust for population). That said, I totally agree with NBC not being given the games anymore!
So basically things America doesn't do well in should be gone. Archery is awesome, Handball is very popular in many countries as is Table Tennis. Your logic on Pentathlon is stupid, by the same logic let's get rid of the Decathlon, Heptathlon, Triathlon. America absolutely dominates Basketball so I guess we should get rid of that since apparently Table Tennis should go because China dominates it.
All team sports above a certain number of players should be removed, let's say maximum 7 players to keep handball in. I love football, but I won't watch any olympic match, not even the final, I'm not interested. We watched a great Euro two months ago. Maybe replace soccer with futsal (it uses handball venues, an advantage) or another smaller football form, as the rugby guys did with 7s.
Swapping Futsal in for Football (at least in its current U-23 format) has been brought up by quite a few viewers and I gotta say I totally agree. Olympic Football is a third-rate tournament compared to things like Champions League, Euros, World Cup, etc. so it makes more sense to get something more interesting, unique, and differentiated into the games instead
Agree to disagree on Shooting, though many commentors would agree with you. For TT and archery, I never said they weren't interesting or good sports, I said they were dominated by a single country and, per the IOC's own stated selection criteria, they shouldn't be in the games based on that
I’m not mega rich! I’m just a special needs simpleton kid from Sunderland and I never let that stop me from doing fencing! ;) I’ve been fencing for 14 years
Well, we certainly have that "not mega rich" part in common :) And what's up with the Black Cats, are they gonna make it back into the top flight any time soon?!
dude table tennis is nothing like darts, it demands a lot physically and truly a hard sport, and the fact that most people have no idea how to really play it so they just pass around the ball doesnt take away from the sport. go to a club and try to play, you will say after a week how much of a sport it is
I have no doubt that it's super physical at the elite levels, for sure. But pretty much any sport is physical like that at the elite level. But please don't forget that you're only zooming in on a secondary part of the argument: the main objection is the unilateral dominance of the sport by a single country, which the IOC themselves uses to restrict certain events from entering the games in the first place
That wasn't the only objection to pentathlon, but I do see your point. And for the equestrian triathlon (eventing), yes that should absolutely not be a thing in the Olympics :)
You make a great point on the demonstration events. The IOC seems to have moved away from these to a large degree and instead are using the Youth Olympics as the testing ground. But it doesn't give the same light to these sports/events that the main games do, so I wish they'd use the demonstration events more freely
You don’t understand the complexity behind each sport listed; I do agree on polo but fencing isn’t elitist I did it in the middle of northern Mexico as a kid in one of the most dangerous cities in the country, Victoria, tell me if that is elitist ? And modern pentathlon ? I wish I could give Mexico a medal on it or in football or taekwondo. Oh and race walking is about keeping pace and rhythm And Motorsport and the FIA has a seat at the IOC and someday god willing it’ll be an event.
For the vast majority of the events on the list, it wasn't about complexity or difficulty. Several viewers brought that up in these comments but I think that misses the point. ALL of these events are difficult, complex, physically demanding, and require massive talent. But so does lumberjacking, ballet, etc. and they aren't Olympic sports. Folks need to stop equating something being hard with something being an Olympic sport. And I'm glad that you had the opportunity to try fencing in the middle of Northern Mexico in a dangerous city, that's fantastic and I wish more folks had that. But first, your single experience is not representative of the entire Earth. And second, I'm assuming, it wasn't at the Olympic level. This is another mistake I see commenters making here: they say "if anyone can play it, it's not elite". It's come up with respect to sailing and equestrian too, it's not just fencing. There is a MASSIVE difference between a sport at an recreational level and a sport at the Olympic competition level. Look at the all-time medal table in Fencing: basically zero Africa, South America, Central America, or South Asian. So, at the elite level, this is a sport for rich nations, which was my point in the video.
@@voxathletica oh it could’ve been to the Olympic level in Sabre but some idiots who claimed they owned my hometown and who wore the last letter of the alphabet in their caps pretty held my late childhood and adolescence as a hostage and then bullying in my school that took away my Olympic dreams, my old piste still stands to this day, she still trains athletes in the noble sport and tradition of fencing and by god I’ll make it stand more years and train Olympic medalists
Truly terrible list. Only one I‘d agree with is race walking cause that‘s just a light marathon. Also where are you getting the idea that fencing is elitist? Growing up in Germany I knew two guys who did fencing as a hobby and they were just regular people not royals. There‘s actually an entire club system for fencing here from the youth level onward. Shame really cause there are some sports that you could actually make a case for to be removed. I‘m thinking skateboarding or rugby 7
So using your logic regarding the modern pentathalon, here are other sports needing to removed: 1. Decathalon 2. Heptathalin 3. All relay races (running and swimming) 4. The medley swimming events 5. The individual all around in gymnastics 6. Team all around in rhythmic gymnastics
I think you're using my partial logic, the part about the events already being their own individual events. Recall that I also objected to the specific events in the modern pentathlon themselves being antiquated, numbers 3-6 don't have that same issue. And yes, for 1 and 2, it does not make sense to me to have a pentathlon, heptathlon, and decathlon all at the same time.
I can’t say I agree with a sport’s domination by one or a few nations being any kind of rationale for axing an event. By doing that, you’re punishing national investment and success in specific sports. Does that mean basketball should be removed because the USA is dominant or that Diving should be removed because China is dominant? You’ve said in other videos that Cricket should be added as a sport, but it would no doubt be dominated by Australia, India, and Pakistan. Does that mean it would also have to be removed as soon as it gets in? The Olympics are meant to showcase the best the world has to offer. It would be unbecoming to penalize dominant national teams for doing just that.
Folks keep bringing this up like I came up with this idea that a single country dominating an event means it should come out. It's the IOC that has said point blank many times that global competitiveness is one of their core requirements for a sport in the Olympics, I'm just repeating it in this video and applying that standard to existing events. So you might not agree with it, but the IOC says that should be the case. Whether they enforce it or not is another story, clearly they don't care or at least they are selective in caring
@@voxathletica That’s fair enough. For clarification, is global competitiveness a requisite for the admission of events, retention of events, or both? It could be that events admitted in the past were more globally competitive at first and simply changed over time to the point where just a few countries came to dominate. It could also be the case that the IOC pays lip service to global competitiveness but is much more hesitant to apply that standard to sports that are either sufficiently popular or bring in a sufficiently large amount of money. Either way, I agree that if they are going to have that rule in place, they should be more consistent with it.
@@SpaceBananaz Very good question and you bring up a couple of interesting angles. It's one of those things that's super subjective and not a firm rule as it were. And I think your second point is the most likely aspect, that's what they say out loud but in practice it's not really applied. And I do get it, several of the events where one country dominates are very popular, regardless of who wins, so taking it out to suit this non-rule would be a bummer. And this is a business one way or another, so it makes sense to kind of look the other way
Having participated in a number of the sports you hate, I would suggest you recalibrate your thinking a tad. Fencing is an extremely difficult sport, but it is also a legacy sport from the original Olympics of 1896. You should try it. Table Tennis. Excellent sport for hand eye coordination and physical agility. Sailing requires great skill over years and years of practice. At one time dingy sailing was not that expensive, but now it is slowly working it's way into an elitest sport category. Example: A Laser sailboat, was at one time $3000.00 USD. Now they are 8000,00 USD to $9000.00 USD. That is obscene. I think though that some of the team sports involving balls probably should not be in, such as: Team Handball. It is a bit repetitive in reference to the skill set of basketball, etc. Also shooting was one of the original sports in the Olympics and goes back as a sport before their was an Olympics. There is no relationship to violent street crime and Olympic shooting. However, I do think the Olympics have become too bloated and should be paired down. I my opinion some of the newer sports to appeal to a younger generation should not be in the Olympics such as: Break Dancing, BMX bikes, and others which I don't watch.
Ok where to begin. First, I never said I hated any of these sports, in fact several of them I clearly said I thought they were great. I said they shouldn't be in the Olympics, that is very different from hating the sport. Second, you say that I need to recalibrate my thinking, but then you agree with me that sailing is becoming elitist, agree that a sport like Handball shouldn't be in the games, and that the games need to have events removed, which is the point of the video. So does that mean that your thinking needs to be recalibrated too? Or is it that we just agree on some events and don't agree on others and this is simply a difference of opinion?
Interesting list, but a little puzzling. While I know very little about fencing, I did find myself watching it during these games and quite enjoyed it. On the other hand, the sport I could do with never seeing again in an Olympics was Breaking. When you mention China's dominance in Table Tennis being the reason for it being removed and compare it to Softball in the United States, would it not stand to reason that Basketball should be removed as well? If we look at the history of the sport, the Men's tournament has been in 20 games of which 17 have been won by the USA a winning percentage of 85%. The only other teams to have ever won gold were the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia and Argentina. This also includes American wins the last five games in a row. The scarier thing to look at is the Womens Tournament which has been contested 13 times with ten American wins a winning percentage of 77%. The only other teams to have ever won gold were the Soviet Union, and the 1992 Unified Team (former Soviet Union). It becomes even more evident by the fact the USA has won the last 8 Olympic games for women and their last non-gold medal performance was in 1992. Perhaps the IOC needs to look at removing basketball as well if one team's dominance is at a different level than the rest of the world. Just my two cents.
Thanks for leaving your detailed and thoughtful response, much appreciated. I am most definitely with you on basketball, and not just because it supports my argument for other sports where a single nation dominates. This is something I've had to stress multiple times in the comments: when I bring up the desire to see a sport removed because it isn't globally competitive, that's not my perspective alone, the IOC themselves have said that having a globally competitive base of athletes and nations is one of their major criteria for determining whether an event should be in the games or not. Now because it's the USA, I can't see them ever removing basketball, just as they won't take out table tennis for the Chinese or archery for the South Koreans. But it does create some uncomfortable realities vs. what the IOC claims they desire
Oh I could say something way more Canadian than that: Ryan Gosling and Ryan Reynolds have teamed up to launch their own maple syrup brand called "Thanks, Eh" which will be sold exclusively at hockey rinks in rural Ontario and have a Beaver on its logo. There, that's way more Canadian
Never let bro cook again
Too late I'm afraid
Archery is one of the oldest and most basic sports. Self evident olympic!
Appreciate your comment, and I do get what you're saying. But the issue I outlined in the video was a) it's dominated by a single nation, and b) it spent more than 50 years NOT as an Olympic sport, so it's not completely self-evident, at least there was a long stretch of time where it wasn't
@@voxathletica so then y you were defending basketball which is dominated by USA lol
archery is also a skill that has been part of human civilization since time immemorial. No particular nation or civilization had a headstart in it. Cant blame Korea if others arent good enough
Eliminate:
ride horse, horses cannot be stable& controled in quality like archery or gun
walking: no way to know how valid rule.
Improve:
breakdance: recommend the score moves like gymnastics
trampoline: just count how many santos
hand ball: decrease the area of goal & make a line that you can pass over to score.
motor race& sailing: just use 1 kind of motor, 1 kind of sail.
archery, shooting, fencing, pingpong: so ridiculous for eliminating, it's very clear in scoring. Because Asian?😅 Why white Nordic people can compete with Asian but other countries can't ???.
@@jhonnyhage6243 You should replace him as the host of the channel.
For table tennis (specifically the 2nd part) I don’t agree with that because by that logic a sport like basketball should also be removed because the United States has won nearly every gold medal since it became an Olympic Sport even though it’s a globally popular game. Also table tennis is very entertaining to watch so I’d keep it an Olympic Sport
I can appreciate that, and not all folks will agree that having a single dominant nation in a sport means it should come out (heck, I'm Canadian, so I should have put women's hockey on the list)
Women’s softball removed from Olympics precisely because USA guaranteed a gold medal. The answer is NOT to ban a sport because one country is just too good, it’s the rest of the world that has to catch up. Hand Ball definitely banned for lack of worldwide interest
@@NoName-zm1ks For sure agree that the rest of the world needs to catch up. But in the meantime, do you just keep it going with the gold medal already a foregone conclusion? If so, for how long? What if the rest of the world never catches up?
@@voxathleticaWhat about Diving? After debut of PRC in 1984 Summer Olympics majority of Gold medals won by china . More than 90% so according to you diving is also removed from Olympics programme.
@@voxathletica if the rest of the world never catches up, that's just too bad. The Olympics isn't supposed to have affirmative action.
This is possibly the worst list I've ever seen on TH-cam. Most of these sports may not be popular in the US but they are elsewhere. Fencing and handball are important for exemple in my country. You must be from America for sure ! There are other countries in the world.
See, I was told that my Top 10 Worst Beatles Songs video was the worst one on TH-cam, so now I don't know what to believe 😂
I agree
@@gordon2945 You agree this list is the worst one on TH-cam, or that the Beatles one is the worst one on TH-cam? Or both?
Womp womp it’s boring
The youtuber sounds Canadian to me. Don't throw the US under the bus for his crummy list!
This feels like a late April Fools joke
Or a very early one, could be either
I thought so too
If you think handball should not be included because it is not global enough, then there should be no winter olympics at all.
I'm just repeating the stated goals of the IOC, they are the ones that claim to want globally competitive sports
It's insane to argue that Handball is not globally recognized sport. Very popular in most of Europe and popular in a lot of African countries (especially in north africa) and South America and even though Australia is not very good, they are still a country that plays it in on a quite high level. Throw in some middle east countries (Qatar was in a world cup final a few years ago, Saudi and Iran are decent) and every continent except North America plays it.
@@voxathletica there's 12 countries in handball, there's also 12 countries in women's football, basketball, volleyball, field hockey and rugby. your main point is absolutely null and void.
@@voxathletica Handball has some very old World cup since the 70's !!! and was attended by thousands in the recent edition 2023... Rugby is much less popular globally ,though I like it ..
@@passinen Tell him please ,I am Egyptian and sure you know how important it is to more than 160 million people living in North Africa !!.. Not to mention South America and Asia It is very popular in Russia too or is that the real reason for the IOC ...
This is a stupid list, you have basically picked sports US haven’t won or are not successful. Your arrogance knows no bounds
Dude, I'm Canadian! Couldn't care less which sports the US has or has not won
He is Canadian please shut your mouth
@@SMG_Gameshe isn't complaining
The entitlement from this American kid... 🤦♂️
@@SMG_Gamesit's I COULDN'T care less.
As someone who's entire career is in fencing, I;m actually offended. The elitist BS has been around for years...have you not looked at or O-Games teams for the last three decades?? At times it's been pretty damned diverse.
I have worked as event staff at every level of competition in the US and I see PLENTY of people who are average...they just love the sport.
We've medaled at every O-Games since 2004, all three colors, including back to back golds in women's sabre and women's foil. We've had several fencers be ranked #1 in the world in their weapon. We've had multiple world champions.
As for the popularity...US Summer Nationals is the largest fencing tournament in the WORLD. It's 10 days of competition -- age ranges from Y (Y) 8, Y10, Y10, Y14, Cadet (under 17), Junior (under 20), Sr. (13 and up), Veteran 40, 50, 60, 70, 80...both genders, all three weapons, both individual and team events (although not all age ranges have a team component).
There are scholastic leagues I'm aware of in Southern California and New England that have schools from all areas -- public, private, charter, etc.
I WAS going to give the channel a chance....but not after this display of utter ignorance.
I appreciate your thoughtful response as well as your experience and perspectives on fencing. It clearly comes from an informed and passionate place, I respect that. Thanks for at least checking out the video and providing your thoughts
I agree. Fencing is a competition that goes back hundreds of years. It requires years and years of practice. I think the author of this article is not well versed in individual sports and probably is a sports TV watcher rather than a participant.
Modern pentathlon, if you remove that remove the decathlon and the pentathlon! People in speed walking will be faster than you running. If you complain about countries dominating, MICHEAL PHELPS WON 8 GOLD MEDALS AT ONE OLYMPICS, that’s dominating. Just because USA doesn’t win doesn’t mean you diss it off.
People keep bringing up the United States, I have no idea what that has to do with anything. I'm Canadian, I have no clue what bearing the US has on this. Unless it's because you think I'm American?
To non native English speaker you sound American so deal with it 🤣
Dumb list. You clearly have no appreciation for other sports. What would you add to replace them, darts chess and tiddlywinks.
I made an entire video on 10 sports that aren't in the Olympics that I think should be, check it out and let me know what you think. And no tiddlywinks :)
@@voxathletica that list wasn’t that good tbf, just reinventing long jump and high jump (what?) the only one I properly got was XC running. Modern pentathlon, if you remove that remove the decathlon and the pentathlon! People in speed walking will be faster than you running. If you complain about countries dominating, MICHEAL PHELPS WON 8 GOLD MEDALS AT ONE OLYMPICS, that’s dominating. Just because USA doesn’t win doesn’t mean you diss it off.
I need Olympic tiddlywinks like I need oxygen
@@quit-x5lTrue. I mean those events were for real pathetic.
Hello Mr @@voxathletica. Here's a fun video idea: you can invite viewers to change your mind on the mentioned sports. I watched fencing for the first time at the Olympics and it was super fun. It requires lots of skill. I would definitely watch that video if you do end up inviting people.
Get rid of Breakdancing
100% agree
Would it be bad to say soccer just because the Eros and cop-a already happened so its kind of pointless to do that again ?
@@FlashGotdin-ky3ui You're not wrong, I think football at the Olympics is dumb. It plays second fiddle to a bunch of other events like the Euros, Copa, and the World Cup. Plus it's not best-on-best, as it is U-23 only. So either getting rid of it or putting something else in that is related to football like futsal makes more sense
And skateboarding
@@oussamarahhab1128 right, that’s why they have the X games for it
Living up to the channel name with this one
I'm nothing if I'm not consistent
What a truly weird list, and rather North America-centered.
Fencing? It has been a staple of the Olympics since the beginning, and is hardly elitist with competitors from all over the world with strong showing from both the Middle East and Asia, not just British aristocrats.
Archery? Likewise a sport with historical ties and helps to globalize the sport with its huge popularity in East Asia.
Shooting? School shooting and gun control problems are hardly universal across the globe, and if anything shooting sports are a good example of responsible firearm usage.
Handball? There were only 12 teams in the Olympic because only 12 are qualified. 59 countries signed up teams but were beaten out in the qualifications.
Modern pentathlon? Yet again deep historic ties, and if any sports could be dismissed as elitist it could be this one since you weren’t allowed to compete in it before unless you were a European nobleman or a commissioned officer. And if it pleases you, it will be changed to next Olympics to remove the equestrian part of the modern pentathlon.
Equestrian? Has been a part of it since the beginning, is a popular global sport with participants from all continents and similarly to fencing is hardly elitist anymore.
Table tennis? One of the most popular sports globally, with literally tens of millions if not hundreds of spectators, participants and interested. And that China dominates it? Yes, it’s their national sport with 1.3 billion people, not really surprising.
Trampoline? Yeah, might be a fair take.
Race walking? May actually be a fair point since it is the one sport in which almost everyone ”cheats” and they aren’t allowed to use cameras to check for cheating (i.e. at least one foot on the ground) and can only use the naked eye.
Sailing? I guess the same counter-points would be as for fencing and equestrian. Historical ties, not elitist anymore and with a global following. As for why something like NASCAR or F1 isn’t in the Olympics is because they had a motor sport event in the early Olympics which was so disastrous that the IOC decided to ban all motor sports permantently from the Olympics.
Thanks for your detailed and thoughtful response, it's great to hear your perspectives as well as those of other viewers. A few comments from my side in response:
- Several of your comments align with "well it's always been there, it's part of the history, etc.". This isn't really a valid reason to be there, dozens of events over the years have come and gone as part of the ebbs and flows of the games. If it's all about history and tradition, how are things like skateboarding, BMX cycling, surfing, climbing, breaking, etc. permitted?
- For handball, you note that 59 countries signed up to try and qualify. That kind proves my point, there's like 206 National Olympic Committees, which means nearly 3/4 of all countries didn't even bother trying to qualify. And of those 59 countries, the vast majority are in Europe. On the men's side, the only Asian qualifier, Japan, has gotten destroyed in Paris 2024. And the only South American qualifier, Argentina, has been destroyed even worse. Zero representation from North America, Africa, or Australia. That's hardly a global sport, which was the point I was trying to make in the video. Amazing sport, no doubt, but not globally popular enough.
- For Modern Pentathlon, the removal of the equestrian component literally proves my point. Why is it being removed as a part of the pentathlon? Because it's out of date and doesn't belong there. And if it doesn't belong in the pentathlon, why does it belong as a stand alone event? And if it's all about history as you say, then shouldn't it stay as a wonderful part of this proud tradition?
- For Sailing, 44 countries of the world are landlocked, that already knocks out more than 20% of all countries. And the technology has become so advanced and expensive that poor nations would never stand a chance. Sailing as transportation is uniquely human, sailing as a past time is accessible, but sailing as a competitive sport is for rich nations only
Again, I appreciate your specific feedback, it's very informed and I think our respective disagreements boil down to differing perspectives, on which there is lots of room for both of us! And I'm glad we at least agree on racewalking :)
Let me get this straight. If you don't like, or cannot understand a sport, then it should not be competed. I have a suggestion for you. If you don't like a sport, don't watch it.
The opinions you express here are insulting and childish.
Well you said you wanted to get this straight, I'm afraid you didn't get it straight. I never said I didn't like these sports, I literally said in several of them (handball for instance) that I actually DID like the sports. My rationales for removing them from the game mainly come down to overlap with other events, global levels of competitiveness, or greater accessibility for the countries of the world
I'm not sure the reason for excluding Table tennis is strong enough.
Yes, there is a China dominance.
But, there are many such sports where one country dominates, e. g. Diving, Basketball, etc. Even if you look at very popular events like swimming, about 50% of gold medals go to USA alone. Moreover, there have been one-nation sports which became globalized through Olympics, e. g. Field Hockey.
So, the case against TT isn't that strong.
You make a solid case for sure, it's hard to disagree with you and especially when you note some of the other events like swimming. I also like your point about keeping it in the games to help it's standing globally and encourage greater competition (this is the rationale for keeping women's hockey even though Canada and the USA are off the charts ahead of everyone else). Thanks for your thoughts!
Table Tennis is absolutely a sport. I play it, and it's real serious stuff. The skill needed is no joke.
@@zethyuen8859easiest sport to play at a recreational level, but one of the hardest to play at competitive level. It’s sprinting, chess, hiit all in one 😄
Dominance in team sports is sort of acceptable as the others still fight for the remaining two medals, but problem with TT is watching a gold medal match: China vs China. Maybe a slight change in the bracket forcing both players from a given country to play semifinals against each other would already make it a bit more interesting to watch (same for other sports with a playoff tournament and more than one athlete per country).
I agree that the dominance on other sports that give tons of medals is another issue, but then the problem is the number of (not so different) events. Maybe keeping only free style and back for swimming and just short race plus relays would make it a bit more fair. I mean, if someone swims fast free style, likely he/she already does great in butterfly style as a training for the competition.
Big team sports that last the whole duration of the games give one medal. While one swimmer can pick up several medals the same day.
It is almost as insane as what used to happen with weightlifting giving a medal for each part of the event AND one for the total. Normally the same person would win both parts and get 3 medals.
(Btw, Same logic could apply to other disciplines like gymnastics or track and field).
@@depp8714 that's exactly my point.
Outside the north american bubble, handball is a very popular sport. The fact that european teams dominate the events is not an excuse. Why not removing basketball because USA dominates it at the olimpics?
Absolutely, I think basketball should be removed, at least in its present form. 3x3 basketball or other variants make a lot more sense to me
This is very biased, I’m not even 2 minutes in but archery is a sport common around the world, and just because basketball is dominated by the USA, doesn’t mean it should be removed. South Korea has won 5 times, the USA has won 16 times. South Korea has a 3x winning streak. The USA has 4x.
Also archery isn’t a small sport btw
Of course it's biased, it's my opinions on the topic, that's the definition of bias. The channel is called Lame Lists, not The Washington Post
Table tennis as a sport is totally different from the recreational “Ping pong “ you do in your garage. Ask anyone who has played table tennis and other sports at a professional level and I’ll guarantee you that they’ll say table tennis is harder than all other racket sports in agility and technical aspects - its like HIIT with the quickest footwork, heavy spin and skills required in the sport is extremely complex and demanding, unlike what it looks like because the pros make it look easy. Look at the quads of top TT players! As per your analysis we should see 40+ yr old men winning TT medals similar to darts (horrible comparison).
Also china is dominating TT since the 1990s because they decided it as a matter of pride and go to extreme levels of training… other nations like Japan and Germany are catching up. There’s no special inherent genetic gift which make the chinese better, it’s just plain hard work.
So yeah I'd totally agree that there is a big difference between my home ping pong action and the Olympics. No doubt it's very difficult at the elite level, just as all events are. And I certainly am not debating the physical capabilities of TT athletes, they're incredible.
But you made my point for me with the second comment. China is off the charts dominant not because of a physical trait, but because of money, infrastructure, training, coaching, and culture. As such, until another country comes close to China in those categories, they will continue to be dominant and because they will be that dominant it goes against what the IOC themselves say they look for in events at the Olympics, which is why I included it in the list
@@voxathletica same goes for many sports - basketball, soccer, swimming, sprinting etc. when will we see the Indian team winning soccer or britain winning basketball? The only way to share more medals in a sport is making more events or some regulations in the sport for Olympics- like maybe introduce doubles matches or hardbat events etc. in Olympics TT has a regulation that only 2 players can represent a country in singles - that’s a good step to stop total Chinese domination and many have come close. Recently even couple indian players won the top chinese in the world championship- maybe it’s a flash in the pan, but it can happen in the Olympics too, you never know. Now many countries like Japan, Germany, France and many other European countries are very close competitors to china and anyone can win the gold - it’s not totally one sided as people think. One reason for such a skewed Olympic stats towards for china is because the sport is a new introduction (only in 1988) so we haven’t seen enough games yet to confirm total dominance.
Paris 2024 TT final, china vs sweden. Semifinal only have 1 chinese. Your theory got debunked
@@josart699 Not really, you're looking at one final in one Olympics. Check the other table tennis draws this year, or other years. Dominance does not come from a single 2 week period and I never said they won EVERY medal
@@voxathleticathere’s greater dominance in other sports like diving, archery, swimming relay and basketball. China is dominant in TT, but it’s not as bad as you portray.
You clearly don’t understand the complexity of some of these sports.
I'm no professional athlete, that's for sure!
You clearly don’t understand how some of these events don’t belong
This list is pretty disrespectful for the sports you simply dislike and their rich history, specially racewalking, which has been around for almost two centuries
I'm not sure how to say it more clearly, in the video I outline that it's not a dislike for the sports and it's not about disrespect for their history. My position is they shouldn't be in the Olympics, not that they aren't bad sports. We can certainly agree to disagree, and even have a good-faith debate about it, but please don't twist my words
@lamelists I like how you have to be sort of diplomatic here but don't worry I got your back. Racewalking? Seriously? What's next? Handwalking, then just jumping on left hand? Olympics are getting more ridiculous every time!
Olympics should get rid of baseball, softball, rugby and break dancing.
I think we're all in agreement on breakdancing
Do a list of Olympic sports in which USA have never won a medal
Good idea, thanks, it's on my list!
Ballroom dancing.
Did it four days ago, its literally this list with few added sports
@@kmozandin Appreciate you flagging it. The video I did was slightly different as it was where the USA has never won a GOLD medal, not just any medal, but close enough as it would be a VERY short list if it was events they've never won a medal at all!
Why, he's not from the USA 😅😅😅
Bro wants Dart to be an Olympic event yet is against of Archery lol 😂
Yes that's correct, and I outlined my reasons in the video
I have zero interest for Handball, however your point of few teams (only 12) make not much sense... Volley-ball, Basketball, Field hockey, Football (except mens at 16) are as well only get 12 entries.
I do agree with your point, I was more trying to get across that Handball doesn't have a large, global appeal and a small field limits that further. For example, the other sports you referenced are more internationally known and played, so even the smaller fields of 12 in those sports are still interesting to a wide audience around the world
The issue with team sports is that there are a lot of matches to get through in a tournament, and in the case of the Olympics, you only have 16 days to contest them. (In fact, the Olympic soccer tournament actually starts the Wednesday before the opening ceremony.) Limiting the field to 12 teams is a necessity for brevity's sake (again going back to soccer, the upcoming UEFA Euro tournament has 24 teams and is set to run for a full month).
That said, while handball isn't popular in the West, it's immensely popular in central and eastern Europe (as is water polo, which didn't make this list).
@@voxathleticathat its simply not true. Handball its not popular in North América, but do you want to check that on Europe, Middle east, North and central África?
And to get a place at the Olympics (one of the 12 teams) you must play a lot of games and win almost every game.
are you crazy? handball is amazing
Yes, definitely crazy
I am from Greece and I dislike handball.
I think you have the wrong taken on the olympics. It is supposed to be the amateur sports championships. The sports to get rid of are the sports that are lucrative enough to play as a legitimate career. Basketball and Soccer should be out as they have their own world cup events that nearly match the olympics.
That being said, speed walking and sailing can certainly go (and youre right, darts should be added). In an ideal world, you watch people compete at something you could think 'that is doable while being very impressed by how the competitors do it.'
Thanks for the thoughtful comment, and I get what you're saying. It's always been a point of conflict to have the "professional" athletes included in the games when the spirit of the games is amateur competition. And given that many of the sports have their own world championships with equal or more value to them, their inclusion in the Olympics is an open question for sure
If the sports pinnacle is at the Olympics keep it. If not, then get rid of it. So basketball, baseball, tennis, soccer, golf...etc. They need to go.
Quite a few folks have mentioned that as a simple filtering criteria, and honestly it makes a ton of sense
Yeah! I always say if athletes make more $$$$$ playing in their professional leagues, the sport should be kicked out of the Olympics. These 5 sports already have such robust fan base world wide and very deep professional scene. Many tennis players even drop out of the Olympics to play their tours.
I completely argree with sailing or race walking, but not ping pong. It is a very complex sport, I don't mean to rude here but you gotta be good ping pong to understand it. Moreover, it is a very cheap sport compare to like horse dancing, you just need a table and a racket to play.
Feel free to be rude, you were right on the nose, I suck at table tennis lol
You can tell An American made this
Apparently you can't because I'm Canadian.
@@voxathleticaCanadians are still North American
Handball is very popular wtf are you talking about. It may be not popular in the USA. But it is in Europe and South America.
And it's a fantastic sport, no doubt about it!
Racewalking is a technical event okay, not a funny, you just a kid, you still learn more about racewalking and then speakk okayy
I wish I was a kid, but I'm going to take it as a compliment that you think my voice sounds young :)
Totally agree
So is spitting and throwing rocks in the ocean
China should be there but darts shouldn’t because barely anyone plays darts. Table tennis is a serious sport people around the globe love to play, especially Europe and asia
When you say "barely anyone plays darts", do you mean professionally or at all? Because I'm pretty sure tons more people play darts than play high jump or breakdancing or surfing or any number of other Olympic sports
Walking should be removed even my grandma aggrees
Well if Grandma agrees, it's gotta go, me and Grandma are on the same page
Every single team sport is represented by 12 nations,this is not world cup of etc sport, basketball,waterpolo,volleyball,football all have 12 nations as this is seen as closer for best nations in world for said sport
Totally agree, that comment applies to all team sports, it's an extremely limited field vs. the number of countries in the world
Did you really suggest Fencing is too elitist and then suggest putting Polo in???
Yes, Fencing is too elitist so it shouldn't be in, but if we're going to be ok with elitist events being in the games, then Polo is a good choice as well
@@voxathletica I just realised the name of your channel. Now I get that you’re trolling hahaha. Sorry
I don’t think a sport being elitist is a valid reason to take it out of the Olympics anyway
How about basketball? You mentioned Archery and Table Tennis being dominated by a single country. The same can be said with basketball. Last loss was 20 years ago 😅
I could absolutely get behind it being removed from the games based on an anti-competitive position, but I highly doubt that's gonna happen sadly
Well this list is lame. There are too many swim styles and should be removed. On this list only one as lame is trampoline.
Swimming is an curious one as there aren't just different styles but different distances within the same style. Personally, I'd be with you to drop some of those. And glad we at least agreed on trampoline, thanks for checking out the video
If you can smoke and drink during perfoming it is not a sport. Golf, bowling, darts,
I mean, if we're being honest, you can smoke or drink during any event
@@voxathletica swimming and diving?
Table Tennis is not a drinking game at all. If you really meet a professional player, you will realize they have the same discipline as any other elite athlete. The fact that a group of people mocks the sport for something else, does not make it unfit for olympic standards.
Folks keep doing this with this section, they absolutely zoom in on a single aspect of why I argued for its removal. And, by extension, completely neglect the other reasons presented for its removal. I think people are reacting emotionally to one aspect while not factoring in the fact that table tennis, in several ways, violates the IOC's own prerequisites for new events joining the games.
I lasted 16 seconds on thus video. Fencing? Really??? One from the original sports?! Sick
I appreciate your 16 seconds of time at least. As a new video creator, I'm still learning, so was it just the choices I made that you didn't like or was there something wrong with the actual video itself? Any constructive feedback is appreciated as I look to improve
@lamelists Definitely your list itself
@@westonk3420 Ok that's good to hear, if it was something technical I could improve for everyone then I'd love to hear about it. If it's just a difference of opinion, we can agree to disagree
What do you mean that ONLY 12 countries are represented in Handball? In every olympic team sport (except for football) the tournament consists of 12 countries. By that logic you could call for basketball, volleyball, water polo, rugby to be removed because it represents only 12 countries. In Handball world championships there are 32 teams not only from Europe, but handball is very popular also in Africa, Middle East, South America and some other countries. Just because it is not popular in US doesn't mean it is not a global sport
Hey, thanks for your comment. I should have made this a bit clearer than I did in the video because you're absolutely right. The global competition part of Handball is that while 12 teams made the Olympics, only about 55-60 nations even tried to QUALIFY for the Olympics in Handball. So only about 25% of all national Olympic committees even bothered trying, that doesn't seem very "global" to me.
Furthermore, of the 12 teams at Paris 2024, 9 were from Europe and 1 was from North Africa, so it's highly regionalized, again it's not global. The other two teams were the Asian qualifier who got destroyed and the Americas qualifier who got destroyed. Both didn't win a single game in Paris and were dramatically outscored to the point of embarassment.
So there is no way on Earth that Handball is a globally competitive sport, the stats just don't back that up.
But I admit I worded this poorly in the video and I should have done better, my bad.
3:59 the ancient Olympics also had a penthlathon which included Javelin throw, Discuss throw, Long Jump, a foot race and wrestling.
There have been a few iterations of the pentathlon over the years, it's a fascinating discussion on its own!
10 - It may be boring but it's a global sport and it seems less of an elitist thing than the "regatta club" type events.
9 - Actually it's one of those events that people like to watch in the olympics as its easy to understand.
8 - Not sure...
7 - It's one of those sports that is more popular in Europe than in the rest of the world, but it's not like its existence was that unknown. Also it's just 1 event per gender.
6 - Yes, it should be eliminated.
5 - I feel that this event will become controversial at some point.
4 - China may be dominant but that's not a reason to eliminate such a global sport.
3 - I think there could be more of a point for eliminating rhythmic gymnastics.
2 - They should just use a chip for the event.
1 - Yes? Maybe they should reduce it to just 1 event per gender.
Sounds like we at least agree on a couple, appreciate you leaving your thoughts!
Yes. You got a lot of these things wrong. I get that some of these are for "rich" people - but they are sports afterall. And some of these is growing larger and larger with each year. Look to handball for example. It used to be an European sport only, but both some of the African countries and Asian countries are getting better and more competive.
As for shooting - you might have a point there. But let´s also be honest: It is only the US that has a major problem with guns. The rest of the world can figure out how to control theirs.
Also: Are half of these events not why the Olympics rock? Because you get these niche sports you otherwise would not have seen or heard and don´t care about the rest of the year, but are suddenly extremly interesting
You make some fair point for sure, not certain I'd say I got them "wrong" as both of our opinions are subjective, but there are arguments for and against some of them and you definitely bring up some valid reasons to disagree
@@voxathletica Exactly. I had no idea who "Jesper Nielsen" was until he won silver at the last Olympics. I love that the Olympics can also put focus to these really small sports.
Swimming should be removed because only usa and australia who dominated that sport, swimming has 35 gold medal and only 2 country who will get that medal, so unfair.
I don't think swimming is quite as lopsided as you present, and certainly not compared to the other events mentioned in the video. But I do get your point as the Americans have always been very strong in swimming
I like your other videos , but this video hurt me and I believe it hurt a lot of other people too...removing a sport only because it was dominated by one country? if so , basketball should be on the top of removal list... I mean table tennis and archery are fun and popular all over the world, Should be retained as a permanent sports in Olympics...
I'm sorry to hear it "hurt" you and other viewers, that wasn't the point. It's not genuine to talk about what sports to be added without talking about what could/should come out. Heads and tails are just flip sides of the same coin, after all.
I hope I didn't lose you as a subscriber over one video, but I fully appreciate that people have strong feelings on topics like this.
By the same logic, basketball should be abolished because America dominates it
By the same partial logic, yes I agree with you
Softball was probs booted because no one outside of America plays it
And the Americans were so dominant. The US could field the top 3 teams without an issue, not a great look for the Olympic games
NO NO, YOU ARE MAKING JOKE OF OF YOURSELF WITH THIS LIST
It's called Lame Lists after all, making a joke of myself is what I do
To be transparent I myself am a fencer, so obviously I will be biased in my argument for fencing NOT to be removed. However, I would like to mention that I personally started fencing in university where club dues were only $60 or about $120 a year and that gave me access to borrow club gear and I also was able to participate in tournaments at not much further cost. The sport gets a bad rap for being perceived as an extremely expensive sport, but I know many kick boxing gyms that cost just as much to be a member of and the only gear you need there is some gloves. Yes there are very "prestigious" fencing schools that cost an arm and a leg, but every sport has institutions like that. My personal local club that's been around since the 1950s here in the U.S. only costs $10 a week and you still get the benefits to borrow gear that you don't own.
I will admit that I've been very annoyed with how fencing commentary is conducted, especially at events like the Olympics where non-fencers are likely to watch, and especially in Foil and Sabre since they have a complex rule set that determine who scores the touch when both lights go off. Often the commentary is said in such a way that they almost expect the viewer to know the different terminology and actions and that definitely will cause a higher barrier of entry for viewing. But in the same vain, I don't think the poor commentary and broadcasting format means that the sport fundamentally should be removed. At the end of the day, its a gamified form of fighting just like boxing, Tae Kwon Do or Judo and it allows for insane skill expression and personal style to be displayed. The difference in how South Korean fencers fence to how Italians fence shows that the sport is not isolated and contained to some single small group of people. It's a sport with a great community that is always trying to find the most optimal way to stand out in the competition and the Olympics are the biggest event in Fencing every 4 years, so taking Fencing out of the Olympics would severely hurt the sport I so desperately want to see grow.
If you're reading this, thank you for taking the time to read my reply! I strongly believe that everyone should try out fencing if they have the chance. It is a sport many often do not picture themselves doing because of their pre-wired biases about the sport, but I promise once you try it you'll likely catch the fencing bug yourself. It's an extremely safe sport with an injury rate lower than badminton and I (a 24 year old) regularly compete against people well into their 70s who are still very capable in the sport. Hopefully my argument makes even a little bit of sense and I'm curious what others think!
Hey there, I really appreciate your thoughtful reply, I truly do. There have been a couple of vigorous defenders of fencing in these comments and it's been helpful for me to hear the perspectives of others, especially when they run contrary to my own.
I think Fencing could indeed become much more popular, it's just not given the broad cultural support of so many other sports (which it sounds like you passionately would like to see change!). I admire your passion and I welcome your defense of the sport you hold so dear, thanks again for your comment
Handball? Wake up man! It's a huge sport anywhere else, than North America, Australia and England (for some reason). But not too popular to fit into the olympics. It's the absolute gold standard for european teams to qualify for the olympics.
I would say, I don't get why football is stil an olympic event. The world cup and subsidiaries are all people care about. Some sports are just too big for the olympics in terms of popularity and scale (football, cricket etc.). That's not the case with handball.
The olympics are also about the variety of sports. The stuff, that people only get to watch because of the olympics. Now you're saying, handball (a very popular and growing sport) should be out, because it's not popular enough? You're making zero sense...
Totally agree with you on football, not only is the World Cup a bigger deal, but so are smaller tournaments like the Euros, Champions League, etc. And being U-23, it's not best-on-best either, which feels kinda weird. It's a perfect example, as you say, of a sport being too big for the Olympics, which is a strange thought!
I knew a fencer who was on the cusp of Olympic participation. She was blue collar. But I don't watch it.
Damn, so close for her!
Singer Neil Diamond was an Olympic team alternate. He still enjoys fencing.
@@kixigvak I had no idea, interesting!
Shooting, Golf, Sailing, Racewalking, Breakdancing, Skateboarding, anything Artistic, anything with horses, anything judged. All should be removed.
Table Tennis should stay. Its lacking in athleticism, but its very technical, and has some of the highest level hand--eye coordination in all of sports. Archery should get a pass too. Its ancient, and has been respected by all militaries across human history. Its arguably a martial art. The respect factor should give it the pass
Sounds like we agree on a few of them, I'm happy to hear it. The judged events has been a common grievance for folks too, and yeah I totally get it. And of course breakdancing, I am actually going to be posting a whole video on it next week, it's that bad
I've got a pretty different list.
1. Anything with a weight category - boxing, weightlifting etc.. Many sports favour various characteristics.. no lightweight shot putters or short basketballers.
2. Most of the team events..too many qualifying games and too many competitors to house in the village for only a handful of medals (and most have their own world champs)
Interesting points, thanks for your comment, I hadn't personally thought of the weight category aspect for example. And the point on the world championships is a good one, I've heard that as a reason to keep out certain sports but then it doesn't apply to others, so it's an odd one. Any team events that you think SHOULD stay in?
I don't like sports with judges to give a score.
My personal take.
Undeniably they demand lots of effort.
That's been a common piece of feedback, too subjective for a lot of folks
Track and field, a bit of swimming, weighlifting, done. No sports with judges, no team sports, no sports that aren't a measure of athletic ability.
Quite a few folks have brought up the judged events and I lean towards agreeing. Anytime subjectivity comes into it, there is too much room for disagreement and personal opinions to creep in (and let's not start on any darker aspects of judging)
Russia in figure skating and artistic swimming ! Also Japan in judo and gymnastics too !
Are you guys insane? WHAT? I think some of you need to read about the ancient olympic games. No Judges?
Hmmmm I wonder why every sports on the list are the ones not dominated by USA? 😏
Couldn't tell you, as I've said 100 times in these comments I am Canadian, so not sure what the USA has to do with it
man sailing at 1 is kinda crazy. takes alot more skill then u think
I never said it didn't take skill, it totally does! I've sailed many times myself, I'm definitely not knocking it. Just don't think it should be an Olympic event
@@voxathleticasailing has been around since ancient times, as well as sailing races. Of all the sports on the list it should be the least likely to go
@@voxathleticaCan you tell me the criteria for a sport to be an olympic event?
@@athanasioskosmas3915 This provides a good breakdown:
www.britannica.com/story/how-are-sports-chosen-for-the-olympics#:~:text=The%20Olympic%20Charter%20indicates%20that,countries%20and%20on%20three%20continents.
Just realized you’ve included ALL the sport in which the US haven’t obtained a gold medal ever 😢
Can't speak much to US athletic achievement as I am Canadian, but if that's the case then that's a heck of a coincidence!
You'll have to add another event: 2024 Paris Olympics will have break dancing or breaking as an Olympic sport. When I saw that it was an event, I couldn't believe it! I will be watching out of curiosity!
It's ridiculous, I couldn't even bring myself to talk about it in a video, it almost validates it for me lol
It's an art. It has a physical aspect, but like other dance forms, it is DANCE.
What about Skate boarding and Surfing?
When you look at table tennis and handball, perhaps your perception is limited in that these aren't popular in North America. There are sports where Canada and the US dominate, so having sports that European and Asian countries dominate is perfectly acceptable.
I understand your perspective, but I'd be supportive of dropping the sports that aren't globally competitive, regardless of my own biases. That already happened with Softball, for example, I totally supported that one coming out as the US just walked to the gold
@@voxathleticasoftball is back at the next Olympics
Remove handball? Maybe second best team sport
As I said in the video, I like watching it too! It's just the lack of global appeal and competitiveness that drove me to include it, when it becomes more popular (and it will, it's an awesome game), then it'll come off my list
@@voxathletica Handball is actually the only team sport except men's football, in which a country from Africa has a realistic chance to medal.
He’ll no
As slovenian and European you getting beaten by all Europeans(This is European version of Basketball )
The only one on this list that I really agreed with is race walking. I love watching fencing & equestrian (I call them my every 4 year sports).
Lots of folks in these comments would agree with you, to each their own!
this list is stupid
I'm happy to hear your constructive criticism and feedback, what do you feel is stupid about it?
@@voxathletica cause you are basicaly talk about hating on teams that have violence in it or something that rich people do,
@@TriWongTRI I appreciate the response. On the violence item, I was pointing to the Shooting events as my lone example there. And I'm not against the violence aspect, in fact in another video on the Top 10 Sports that SHOULD be in the games, I included MMA.
On the rich people thing, yes I definitely go after those sports, but that's because the Olympics are supposed to be a) universal, b) accessible, and c) amateur competition. Having events that are only accessible to rich people goes against that idea in my opinion.
@@voxathletica you forgot fencing, archery, and modern pentathlon
@@TriWongTRI Fencing I said should be removed because it is elitist and not meaningful to most of the world. Archery I said should be removed because it is overtly dominated by a single country and it is not globally competitive. And modern pentathlon I said should be removed because it is outdated and all of the components of it have their own events already. No mention of violence for any of those three?
So basically Al Sports where the USA ist Not good U want removed
Believe me, as a Canadian, I wish that was true!
Wait but F1 racing would be so cool in the olympics …
And more folks would watch it than Sailing, I can guarantee that
@@voxathletica yeah sailing is boring af
Motor racing has been featured at the Summer Olympics twice, though neither time as a full medal event. In 1900, it was a sport at the 1900 World's Fair like all other Olympic events, but has generally not been considered official. In 1936, an unofficial "Olympic Rally" was held, with prizes awarded
On the big screen if you you now what is going on sailing is the most exciting thing to watch. You should watch some sailGP.
@lamelists watch some sailGP
Archery is fun to watch i think it should stay in my opinion. They also introduced a mix event in 2020 that means it's super popular. I don't watch handball but I think it will get more popular as the years go by. Darts being in the Olympics would be pretty cool in my opinion. I think shooting is fine especially the ones where they shoot the disk. Trampling is really fun to watch I think that should stay.
Sounds like perhaps we align on a few and disagree on some others, nothing wrong with that! Thanks for checking out the video!
This list is awful
I welcome contrary opinions, it's my fav part of the comments section as I get to hear differing opinions. What is awful about it?
No it’s not
table tennis is real sport. you should try before talking
and Equestrian is the only sport when women and men can compete each other
I've definitely tried table tennis, I think just about everyone on earth has tried table tennis. And good point about Equestrian, but it doesn't change the points I made in the video about the event.
I think Tennis should be remove also as not all countries are playing Tennis and it is only for wealthy peopple who can afford proper equipment.
I put tennis and golf together personally, I could make an argument for them to be in and I could just as easily make an argument for them to be out. So I'm a fence-sitter on a couple of sports, that's for sure
Its not just for wealthy
But tennis is all round a popular sport in terms of spectators
Then golf have to be remove from the Olympic first ! 😂
What? Tennis is one of the most popular sports. And your logic doesnt make any sense. All sports need their equipment. And let me tell you, the athletes on the athletics arent training for the olympics free. They give a lot of money.
The majority of olympic sports could be removed from your bad logic of not accesible for everyone, not many teams, or sport’s dominated by one country, gynmastics, football, basketball, cycling, running, canoeing, rowing, climbing and more could be removed by your logic, the only ones I agree with is race walking and maybe equestrian
Glad we at least agree on a couple!
Two sports in, and I see you've managed to offend the entire nation of South Korea. Good job!
It's nothing personal against South Korea! if it makes you feel better, I'm Canadian and I think women's ice hockey should be removed from the Olympics
Hmm..so Archery needs to be banned because Korea has been dominating in the game? What about basketball that has been dominated by USA, should it be banned too?? 🤔
If the IOC goes by their word and truly values a globally competitive sport, then I would say yes. Again, that's not my prerequisite for EITHER archery or basketball, that's what the IOC themselves have said.
Here's my list:
1) Breakdancing. The strangest thing I've seen included in the Olympics
2) Rugby sevens. More of a spectacle than a sport. You see multiple teams compete at the same venue during a day. 14 minute matches? Isn't that what a demo is?
3) Men's football. It's rarely featured the best teams and the U23 format makes you wonder what is it doing at the Olympics. In normal football, Mexico and Nigeria have never gone past the quarters in the World Cup.
4) BMX freestyle & Skateboarding. I love these sports, but they are hobbies and spectacles. The atmosphere at these events felt more like friends enjoying themselves rather than sporting competitions.
5) Baseball. At this point the IOC have added too many sports
We definitely have some overlaps in thinking. I'm glad you brought up the Football one, the men's Olympic event is a shell of what it could be. World Cup, Euros, Copa, Champions League, etc. are all bigger and more prestigious, so it's a real problem for the Olympics. But the issue is that, on the women's side, it's massive and hugely important. So can you really have the women's side and not the men's side at the Olympics? Per the IOC, that's a no-go, so it's a tough one to resolve
He don't under stand what sport is and never try it so he can't make decision which sport shud leve the olympics. I am modern Pentathlon and I also love fencing These sports are increlibl iteresting. And modern pentathlon don't have ridding a y more insted we have Obsticle so don't even now about what hetalks. All other sports are also beutiful so he is tolking bulshit
Don't worry about what he says, keep loving and supporting the sports you enjoy!
Since the u.s. dominates dozens of events and the olympics themselves (gawdyly closing in on 3,000 medals) then perhaps they should be banned from the olympics period. P..s. nbc should be banned from covering them since instead of showind the actual sports- it's non-stop national anthem of every event the u.s. wins. Very north korean vibes~ lil bro
It's definitely been historically dominant, though it's less so in more recent years (especially once you adjust for population). That said, I totally agree with NBC not being given the games anymore!
But you're fine with Boxing, right?
Gosh, this is a lame list indeed.
Yep, fine with boxing, wrestling, martial arts, lots of other combat sports. What didn't you like about the list?
So basically things America doesn't do well in should be gone. Archery is awesome, Handball is very popular in many countries as is Table Tennis. Your logic on Pentathlon is stupid, by the same logic let's get rid of the Decathlon, Heptathlon, Triathlon. America absolutely dominates Basketball so I guess we should get rid of that since apparently Table Tennis should go because China dominates it.
As a Canadian, it's hard for me to comment on things that impact Americans uniquely
All team sports above a certain number of players should be removed, let's say maximum 7 players to keep handball in. I love football, but I won't watch any olympic match, not even the final, I'm not interested. We watched a great Euro two months ago. Maybe replace soccer with futsal (it uses handball venues, an advantage) or another smaller football form, as the rugby guys did with 7s.
Swapping Futsal in for Football (at least in its current U-23 format) has been brought up by quite a few viewers and I gotta say I totally agree. Olympic Football is a third-rate tournament compared to things like Champions League, Euros, World Cup, etc. so it makes more sense to get something more interesting, unique, and differentiated into the games instead
List is absurd
Shooting archery TT are good
Agree to disagree on Shooting, though many commentors would agree with you. For TT and archery, I never said they weren't interesting or good sports, I said they were dominated by a single country and, per the IOC's own stated selection criteria, they shouldn't be in the games based on that
Racewalking is more than just walking fast bud
Walking fast is literally the definition of racewalking
I’m not mega rich! I’m just a special needs simpleton kid from Sunderland and I never let that stop me from doing fencing! ;)
I’ve been fencing for 14 years
Well, we certainly have that "not mega rich" part in common :) And what's up with the Black Cats, are they gonna make it back into the top flight any time soon?!
@@voxathletica Hopefully! XD
dude table tennis is nothing like darts, it demands a lot physically and truly a hard sport, and the fact that most people have no idea how to really play it so they just pass around the ball doesnt take away from the sport. go to a club and try to play, you will say after a week how much of a sport it is
I have no doubt that it's super physical at the elite levels, for sure. But pretty much any sport is physical like that at the elite level. But please don't forget that you're only zooming in on a secondary part of the argument: the main objection is the unilateral dominance of the sport by a single country, which the IOC themselves uses to restrict certain events from entering the games in the first place
>starts with Fencing
Wow, this list is going to be terrible 😂
It's all downhill from there I'm afraid
This list has some merit but it's mostly bull. Eliminate pingpong just because China dominates it? Sounds like a sore loser to me.
So the summary is some merit, some bull. Sounds like it's on brand for Lame Lists
Using his pentathlon logic there should be no triathlon, decathlon, skiathlon, equestrian triathlon, nordic combined, or biathlon.
That wasn't the only objection to pentathlon, but I do see your point. And for the equestrian triathlon (eventing), yes that should absolutely not be a thing in the Olympics :)
table tennis is amazing my dude and Darts should be allowed
Table tennis is amazing, my primary issue is that it's not globally competitive (as evidenced at Paris 2024 with China sweeping the golds AGAIN)
I have the opposite opinion…expansion, expansion, expansion. Let all the sports in (at least as a demo).
You make a great point on the demonstration events. The IOC seems to have moved away from these to a large degree and instead are using the Youth Olympics as the testing ground. But it doesn't give the same light to these sports/events that the main games do, so I wish they'd use the demonstration events more freely
agreed but more sports would make it too difficult to host the event.
Curling must be the first game to be kicked out
Why the first?
@@voxathletica Just convince me it's a game, swiping Ice can't be an olympic game
@@SDR-fr6th Not gonna try to convince you at all, was more just curious as to your reasons
You don’t understand the complexity behind each sport listed; I do agree on polo but fencing isn’t elitist I did it in the middle of northern Mexico as a kid in one of the most dangerous cities in the country, Victoria, tell me if that is elitist ?
And modern pentathlon ? I wish I could give Mexico a medal on it or in football or taekwondo.
Oh and race walking is about keeping pace and rhythm
And Motorsport and the FIA has a seat at the IOC and someday god willing it’ll be an event.
For the vast majority of the events on the list, it wasn't about complexity or difficulty. Several viewers brought that up in these comments but I think that misses the point. ALL of these events are difficult, complex, physically demanding, and require massive talent. But so does lumberjacking, ballet, etc. and they aren't Olympic sports. Folks need to stop equating something being hard with something being an Olympic sport.
And I'm glad that you had the opportunity to try fencing in the middle of Northern Mexico in a dangerous city, that's fantastic and I wish more folks had that. But first, your single experience is not representative of the entire Earth. And second, I'm assuming, it wasn't at the Olympic level. This is another mistake I see commenters making here: they say "if anyone can play it, it's not elite". It's come up with respect to sailing and equestrian too, it's not just fencing. There is a MASSIVE difference between a sport at an recreational level and a sport at the Olympic competition level. Look at the all-time medal table in Fencing: basically zero Africa, South America, Central America, or South Asian. So, at the elite level, this is a sport for rich nations, which was my point in the video.
@@voxathletica oh it could’ve been to the Olympic level in Sabre but some idiots who claimed they owned my hometown and who wore the last letter of the alphabet in their caps pretty held my late childhood and adolescence as a hostage and then bullying in my school that took away my Olympic dreams, my old piste still stands to this day, she still trains athletes in the noble sport and tradition of fencing and by god I’ll make it stand more years and train Olympic medalists
The word fencing comes from the Latin word defendere to ward off or defend. You learn something new every day.
Fun fact of the day!
Table tennis but not Badminton?
Rather different events from my perspective, but I see your point
Truly terrible list.
Only one I‘d agree with is race walking cause that‘s just a light marathon.
Also where are you getting the idea that fencing is elitist? Growing up in Germany I knew two guys who did fencing as a hobby and they were just regular people not royals. There‘s actually an entire club system for fencing here from the youth level onward.
Shame really cause there are some sports that you could actually make a case for to be removed. I‘m thinking skateboarding or rugby 7
I'm glad we at least agree on one, sounds like a difference of opinion on others but we can agree to disagree, thanks for checking it out
So using your logic regarding the modern pentathalon, here are other sports needing to removed:
1. Decathalon
2. Heptathalin
3. All relay races (running and swimming)
4. The medley swimming events
5. The individual all around in gymnastics
6. Team all around in rhythmic gymnastics
I think you're using my partial logic, the part about the events already being their own individual events. Recall that I also objected to the specific events in the modern pentathlon themselves being antiquated, numbers 3-6 don't have that same issue.
And yes, for 1 and 2, it does not make sense to me to have a pentathlon, heptathlon, and decathlon all at the same time.
I can’t say I agree with a sport’s domination by one or a few nations being any kind of rationale for axing an event. By doing that, you’re punishing national investment and success in specific sports. Does that mean basketball should be removed because the USA is dominant or that Diving should be removed because China is dominant? You’ve said in other videos that Cricket should be added as a sport, but it would no doubt be dominated by Australia, India, and Pakistan. Does that mean it would also have to be removed as soon as it gets in? The Olympics are meant to showcase the best the world has to offer. It would be unbecoming to penalize dominant national teams for doing just that.
Folks keep bringing this up like I came up with this idea that a single country dominating an event means it should come out. It's the IOC that has said point blank many times that global competitiveness is one of their core requirements for a sport in the Olympics, I'm just repeating it in this video and applying that standard to existing events. So you might not agree with it, but the IOC says that should be the case. Whether they enforce it or not is another story, clearly they don't care or at least they are selective in caring
@@voxathletica That’s fair enough. For clarification, is global competitiveness a requisite for the admission of events, retention of events, or both? It could be that events admitted in the past were more globally competitive at first and simply changed over time to the point where just a few countries came to dominate. It could also be the case that the IOC pays lip service to global competitiveness but is much more hesitant to apply that standard to sports that are either sufficiently popular or bring in a sufficiently large amount of money. Either way, I agree that if they are going to have that rule in place, they should be more consistent with it.
@@SpaceBananaz Very good question and you bring up a couple of interesting angles. It's one of those things that's super subjective and not a firm rule as it were. And I think your second point is the most likely aspect, that's what they say out loud but in practice it's not really applied. And I do get it, several of the events where one country dominates are very popular, regardless of who wins, so taking it out to suit this non-rule would be a bummer. And this is a business one way or another, so it makes sense to kind of look the other way
You got sailing totally wrong my dude, it's very physically demanding so naaaah..I agree on some of these but nopeee
I'm glad we at least agree on a few!
Having participated in a number of the sports you hate, I would suggest you recalibrate your thinking a tad. Fencing is an extremely difficult sport, but it is also a legacy sport from the original Olympics of 1896. You should try it. Table Tennis. Excellent sport for hand eye coordination and physical agility. Sailing requires great skill over years and years of practice. At one time dingy sailing was not that expensive, but now it is slowly working it's way into an elitest sport category. Example: A Laser sailboat, was at one time $3000.00 USD. Now they are 8000,00 USD to $9000.00 USD. That is obscene. I think though that some of the team sports involving balls probably should not be in, such as: Team Handball. It is a bit repetitive in reference to the skill set of basketball, etc. Also shooting was one of the original sports in the Olympics and goes back as a sport before their was an Olympics. There is no relationship to violent street crime and Olympic shooting. However, I do think the Olympics have become too bloated and should be paired down. I my opinion some of the newer sports to appeal to a younger generation should not be in the Olympics such as: Break Dancing, BMX bikes, and others which I don't watch.
Ok where to begin. First, I never said I hated any of these sports, in fact several of them I clearly said I thought they were great. I said they shouldn't be in the Olympics, that is very different from hating the sport.
Second, you say that I need to recalibrate my thinking, but then you agree with me that sailing is becoming elitist, agree that a sport like Handball shouldn't be in the games, and that the games need to have events removed, which is the point of the video. So does that mean that your thinking needs to be recalibrated too? Or is it that we just agree on some events and don't agree on others and this is simply a difference of opinion?
Interesting list, but a little puzzling. While I know very little about fencing, I did find myself watching it during these games and quite enjoyed it. On the other hand, the sport I could do with never seeing again in an Olympics was Breaking. When you mention China's dominance in Table Tennis being the reason for it being removed and compare it to Softball in the United States, would it not stand to reason that Basketball should be removed as well? If we look at the history of the sport, the Men's tournament has been in 20 games of which 17 have been won by the USA a winning percentage of 85%. The only other teams to have ever won gold were the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia and Argentina. This also includes American wins the last five games in a row. The scarier thing to look at is the Womens Tournament which has been contested 13 times with ten American wins a winning percentage of 77%. The only other teams to have ever won gold were the Soviet Union, and the 1992 Unified Team (former Soviet Union). It becomes even more evident by the fact the USA has won the last 8 Olympic games for women and their last non-gold medal performance was in 1992. Perhaps the IOC needs to look at removing basketball as well if one team's dominance is at a different level than the rest of the world. Just my two cents.
Thanks for leaving your detailed and thoughtful response, much appreciated. I am most definitely with you on basketball, and not just because it supports my argument for other sports where a single nation dominates. This is something I've had to stress multiple times in the comments: when I bring up the desire to see a sport removed because it isn't globally competitive, that's not my perspective alone, the IOC themselves have said that having a globally competitive base of athletes and nations is one of their major criteria for determining whether an event should be in the games or not. Now because it's the USA, I can't see them ever removing basketball, just as they won't take out table tennis for the Chinese or archery for the South Koreans. But it does create some uncomfortable realities vs. what the IOC claims they desire
1:40 removing it because it is too violent is the most Canadian thing to say.
Oh I could say something way more Canadian than that: Ryan Gosling and Ryan Reynolds have teamed up to launch their own maple syrup brand called "Thanks, Eh" which will be sold exclusively at hockey rinks in rural Ontario and have a Beaver on its logo. There, that's way more Canadian
Clearly, you're and American Citizen. Almost all of this list are sports that USA hás no medals. Get rid of that bias ...
I'm Canadian, not American. While I'm getting rid of my "bias", perhaps you should get rid of your assumptions