kramer 84 guitar vs evh striped
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- Here is my Kramer the 84 vs an EVH 5150 Stripe series guitar. Both guitars were recorded direct with a Freidman JJ Jr 20 watt amp to a Two Notes Captor X reactive load.
I play in a Van Halen/Sammy Hagar tribute: The Best of Both Worlds Fla and I've tested both these guitars live on stage in action and studio. They both have similar characteristics but vary slightly.
The VH tracks you hear have the original guitar removed and I overdubbed my own take of the famous riffs. I've included the isolated riffs as well for you to compare. The Kramer was custom painted by FunkGuitarsUSA. Enjoy the tone wars!
#KramerGuitars #Evh #Friedmanamps
Both sounded great, if you didn't know the Tonezone was Larry's pickup design for the EBMM EVH model. Eddie chose another pickup so Larry released it as the TZ. I have it in multiple guitars and love it, of course I also love the Wolfgang pickups as well though... just different as many have noted.
Very important fact thx!!
I like both. Tone was really good on both. Looks wise the Kramer. Great playing and thanks for the video. We enjoyed it.
Awesome and thx for checking out the vid. 🎸
To my ear, the EVH has a bit more “bite” to it, with the Kramer sounding somewhat “warmer”. Both seem like amazing axes!
It's he other way around
The DiMarzio is hotter, there's more bite, to my ear.
@@rocketmobile Dimarzio is bass heavy. To really get an idea, you'd need both to have the same pickup.
I'm not sure which one I like better. Both sound terrific.
Where could I find a kramer like yours
It has to be painted. They are not produced. Mine was painted by Funk Guitars USA
@@BrevSullivan ok Thanks man
I have the Kramer and it’s a great value - hard to touch it. My only complaint is the weight maple body - has tone advantages but I rarely play live with it bc of its weight.
The Kramer is is Alder not maple.
@@BrevSullivan wrong the older ones are Maple. They didn’t change to alder until last year
@@user-sn3cs2hd8r we’re taking about my video lol!
@@BrevSullivan no worries - I was talking overall regarding the Kramer 84. Nice guitar… you may want to try the Jalen 78s pickups closes to early VH tone on the planet
Just found your channel today great comparison. Wondering could ya donate your least favorite to me?? (J.p.)
Thx. Wish i had some laying around that i don't use but they are all my favs! Cheers
The EVH sounded closer to Ed’s tone. More bite. Crisper.
I agree 100%
I gotta agree here the EVH is the real deal.... So damn close to eddies tone not to take anything away from the Kramer but you can definately tell they spent what they had to to get the EVH as close to Ed's sound as humanely possible... Either way both are awesome guitars and yeah your playings damn fine too
I agree but the Kramer is so authentic
Wrong on all count, kramer is nailing the 1984 tone on the nose
Noticed it right off the bat.
They both sound wonderful. I know I've always liked the Kramer headstock better than the Strat type for some reason
Hockey Night In Canada Stick
Explorer.
Not me.. Before reading this comment I thought to myself "What was kramer thinkin' , That's the ugliest headstock i've ever seen" lol I know it all comes down to preference but still.
@@sydnayallen6762 the kramer has the coolest headstock ever made
deans one are georgous
Kramer all day long and it looks badass with that hockey like headstock.
The EVH is a little more open,clear and has more harmonic content to my ears. Both guitars are cool!
Would be cool if you put an EVH pickup in the Kramer and see how they stack up after that! I think the Tone Zone's high end isn't as bright as the EVH pickup. Both sound great though. Good work!
I was thinking the same thing. Never been a huge fan of the Tone Zone.
That WVH pickup in the kramer would be a game changer
The EVH pickup is definitely brighter. I've always liked their pickups since I first played a guitar equipped with wolfgang pickups.
Yeah , a Frankenstein humbucker .
The EVH 5150 sounds brighter an better then the Kramer 84 but would still play both.
Awesome video. Would be great to hear the comparison with a Seymour Duncan JB in the Kramer.
That's what I put in all my guitars. Duncan hot rod set.
To me the EVH has a more clear and punchy tone and really cuts through the mix and the Kramer isn't as pronounced sounds and almost a little muddy/ bassy. The Kramer still sounds great though but that EVH is just absolutely killing it
Exactly
I think a Marshall amp would take of that quickly. I would like to see it on the evh modded Marshall .
That's been my experience with the dimarzio tone zone. Just a tad too much in the low end.
@@keolahutchinson7687 Yeah I agree. The tone zone isnt a good pickup for EVH tone
Awesome!!! I placed my order for the Evh 5150 striped the week after Ed passed. I'm still waiting. I also locked in at the $1399. They are now going for $1599. The wait is killing me. You did a great video here. Thank you!!!
Sorry you had to wait so long.
It’s a fun guitar though and hope you get it soon!! 👍🏻thx for the good feedback.
@@BrevSullivan 👍👍
I have to wait Till Dec 2021 ...... for mine ,
Up over $1,700 plus now.
I have both guitars. I like my EVH better. I love my Kramer but my EVH sounds and plays better. Really great sound clips and great playing brother. Im subbing bro.
Cheers ty👍🏻🎸
How does it play better?
Evh guitar has more iconic tone at least (in the mix) the Kramer looks like it's more fun to play thou
Great ears!!
I liked them both. The EVH sounded closer to the actual brown sound, but I personally liked the Kramer tone better. I own 3 Wolfgangs and love them all.
May I ask you if you would recommend a Wolfgang Standard Qm? Because I need a very good guitar at a price range 500-700€
Kramer was much warmer sounding.
Listening to the EVH...definitely more Eddie and more brown sound!!😁
cool sir guitar rock😎👍🇲🇾♥️🇺🇲
Kramer all day, everyday. The EVH sounds too scooped, thin and ice pick like a caricature of EVH’s tone.
They both are amazing! But the Kramer sounded like the volume wasn't turned up all the way vs the evh sounded perfect. I have a evh stripped frankie and I love it!
Thank you so much for doing this video. With all the options, to hear them the way you did it is absolutely perfect!!
EVH wins but not by much. Save your money get a Kramer.
And the JB will be very close and like many of the guys in the 80s used.
Loved the video.
You aren't kidding about the wait time. I ordered my EVH Stripe series Stratocaster with the Fender Headstock back in October and literally just got it a week ago. It's worth noting that it is left handed.
But it was with the wait!
About swapping out the SD pickup because it was a Zebra color scheme, why didn't you just paint the creme side black, in the spirit of EVH?
I think it's something he would have done, I'd certainly do it, lol..
But it's all good!
Cheers!
Nice compare and contrast..I would take either one, even both! R.I.P. EVH.
Dude you rock
Thx! Back at ya 5150!!🎸😎
Been looking for a comparison between these 2. Thank you!
Great comparison. Yeah I love the Kramer 84 remake. Always thought the EVH version is too overpriced. Love the banana headstock on the Kramer The 1984 better as well.
Ty, and thanks for the good feedback. 🎸
The kramer has more body. You can’t add. You can substract. The kramer is the more versatile guitar.
The evh sounds better to me but the Kramer 84 has the correct headstock..Gibson wouldn't allow evh to replicate
You're absolutely right about the wait for the evh 5150!I ordered mine last yr in june or july and the eta kept getting pushed out and I was not expecting it till nov. but it came this week!It's better than the pics can show but it's out of tune pretty badly out of the box but I can tell how resonant it's gonna be already!
Glad to hear you got yours! Excellent🎸🎸☝🏻👍🏻
WoW You almost waited a year?
God they butchered the headstock on the evh. The ONLY reason I’ll never buy it.
just bought an 84 kramer and a striped series
Good tones, good investment!😎
Awesome guitars! I dig the EVH 5150 series guitars! Played them at NAMM.
Would love it as a lefty Im sure
So close. In a blind test I’d say 9 outta 10 couldn’t tell the difference.
Kramer 84, coz u plays VH's songs year of 80's ( maybe 🙂 )
I have both as well and the EVH definitely sounds better. In fact, EVH pick-ups are the best for rock tone in my humble opinion. But the Kramer headstock is definitely sexier than the altered EVH’s. But the Kramer’s neck is a bit thicker than EVH too, so playability for fast licks is more difficult, in my opinion. Great customization you have done on the Kramer though.
Tone is subjective
@@bluwng Everything is.
@@innnews6299 I know you are tying to be profound, but it’s not. I am an Aerospace Engineer, everything we do is based on objective data, test and science. There is some subjectivity but it would be less than 1%. No, everything is not subjective.
@@bluwng I am a realist. You can measure everything if you want to minute details. In the end, it’s how people “feel” about things that is utmost important. Especially in art and music, the way the art piece touches your soul and moves you means infinitely more than any amount of scientific measurement can provide.
@@innnews6299 numbnuts. This is you, I’m a realist , I base it on my feelings. Nothing you cried about has anything to do with how an electric guitar process a signal. Go away.
Good job!
I put an original stripe series EVH Wolfgang PUP (not the US one) into my Kramer 1984...the A2 magnet makes it sound a bit more open....maybe you should try the Tonezone A2 magnet modification. 😉
I love the fretboard on the Kramer 84 you can get ridiculous low action with minimum buzz
Just subbed . Cheers from New Zealand
Thx, subbed you as well.🎸
@@BrevSullivan you gotta do a show with us next year Brev . Would love to interview you
@@5150show sounds great that would be awesome!
@@5150show Checkin’ in with you guys re that interview! Tagged you in a vid cheers!
I think the evh had the closer tone but I’d go for the 84 as you said it’s more affordable and I’d put in an evh humbucker. Might do the to my Barretta special
Awesome info...Eddie be proud seeing this..🤘
Thx!
Damn brother ,, can i start by saying you freaking Rock ..... For nostalgia only i got to go the Kramer ..
Thx🎸🎸
Hi Brev..what I 've experienced on this 84 re-issue model as well as other indonesian made guitars in general (aka cheap guitars),the intonation/tuning is getting lost after a few days unless the bridge is fixed/leveled to the body(spring tension must be so high)..so you can barely move the tremolo..otherwise tuning is lost and people mock lol....what do you think?
Agreed. And your correct. I’ve recently started using the Lok N Roll compensated nut and it really helps with that issue your describing.
Alder all day long. Basswood always sounds weird unless you are using an amp with 5-8 12 ax7s.... the tone zone is wrong for this gtr methinks.... for panama the Duncan 59 all day, duncan frankenstrat for most stuff, the might mite 1300 for VHII and the dimarzio distortion for VH1
Kramer is alder not basswood
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There are players making great music with cheap Floyd’s and Original German Floyd’s. Same with original Marshall amps. They threw a transformer in the block and what you got was these big hunks of metal that were inconsistent sounding form amp to amp. (Chronicled in a Guitar player interview with Jim Marshall and Yngwie years back) Put your own brass block in your Floyd’s and the rest of the tones is in your hands. 🎸
The. EVH IS a 1000% better the tone is a million times more crisp than the Kramer 84 you can tell that the EVH 5150 IS A MUCH BETTER BUILT GUITAR FAR AS A REPLICA WHEN YOU WAS PANAMA MAN THAT QUICK DIVE AT THE BEGINNING WAS DEAD ON AND THE HARMONICS PICKING US WHAT SOLD ME ON THE EVH 5150 good playing also
Thx. Glad the vid helped out. 👍🏻🎸
Both are super to my ear, aesthetically speaking i prefer (Stratocaster) "Frankenstrat II" (in use 1979-84) in the latest version after all modifications (final version 1995).
Cool.🎸🎸
Ok, I listened through a speaker and not my crappy phone, but even with that on TH-cam I don't think you get true sound. It COULD sound totally different in person but over TH-cam, I think the difference is so small that most people would say they can't tell a difference. Now I'm a guitar player so I know how we can be.
I'm glad you mentioned the radius and the playability though because to me that's just as important as the sound. I went from a 10 - 16 compound radius to a 14 only on my new pacer vintage, the classic has a 12 and I don't know why they just didn't make them the same, and it took some getting used to especially the narrower neck.
I've always been a DiMarzio fan, so I love the tone zone.
Speaking of which, if you really wanted a totally even comparison, I would of used the same pickup, although with the body woods and as I mentioned , TH-cam, the difference still may have not been that noticable.
Anyway, great playing, wish I could do some of that Van Halen stuff. Lol next you need to do a black and yellow! :)
Thx for the good feedback.
I put a video up with the Kramer now with an Evh pickup. It’s brighter than the Dimarzio. th-cam.com/video/CVAR4womKUM/w-d-xo.html
However as you mentioned, in the room or onstage is the true gtr tone. The Kramer has more bottom and strat-ish mids no matter what pup is in it and simply is fun 80s shred gtr. EVH have their own thing and more tempered high end with some lows but in the similar frequency as the Kramer, ultimately a different animal. The rest Is the player and chops. Thanks🎸😀
You bought a 1984 and had someone do the custom paint Job ? May I ask who and how much they charged
Funk Guitars USA .
You would need to reach out to their shop for pricing ( their policy)
i have the 84 Kramer reissue and dam i love that guitar maybe one day ill get a real evh 5150 but till now mine will work awesome video bro and sick playing
Cool gtr yes -and thx!! 🎸🎸
Why would you put a DiMarrzio in a EVH style guitar? I say blasphemy!
See my other Kramer vs Evh video with the Duncan. 🎸🤟🏻
Doesn't the Kramer have a more narrow nut width? I got rid of my EVH striped series because the neck was too wide for my liking. I have a Wolfgang and it has a completely different (narrow) neck.
That difference is so negligible though.
Speculating here on what your experiencing since I’ve played and still own them all and have reacted similarly ….. The Evh neck is way flatter than the Kramer so would feel wider with it’s compound 12-16 radius. Kramer neck is just straight 12.” and feels narrow. Wolfgang is the same as the Evh -12” to 16 but it doesn’t sit in the hands the same as the Evh stripe series that feel more like Charvels. I’m more partial to grabbing the Wolfgang as an everyday guitar, for any musical situation.
Kramer a little bit short
Nice, I guess the frankenstrat evh would sound similar to the evh. Tones playing are great. Jj Jr sounds awesome, glad to see the two notes sounds good. Could you say more about Reverb flange phasor patch? Thank you
There were no pedals in this vid used however there was a bit of verb in the mix from the Torpedo preset. thx
not fair comparison since the kramer have a tone zone, to get the brown you need something like the wolfgang pickup, sh-11 and even the jb can do a better job, both sounds cool btw but evh wins this round just for the pickup
You bring up a good point but the Tone Zone was indeed used in many EVH permutations. However the Kramer still sounds like an Alder 80s shred guitar ( no matter what pickup is used )and the EVH sounds basswood sounds like Evh. Play any music man axis or Peavey HP ;they have their own pickups and still sound like and Evh. See my other vid. Cheers.
th-cam.com/video/CVAR4womKUM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=PQSVe8OrV4iqFwYD
You changed the pickup in the Kramer lol. Listen, pardon the pun, this was a great and fun video but it doesn’t help me choose since it’s a different pickup 😜
I’ve since put an EVH pickup in the kramer. The Duncan was MEH.The Kramer sounds more 80a hair hybrid strat like and the Evh still sounds more Evh like. A rematch video is coming.
It's Buffalo Bill
This is the problem with modern music. Copying tone, style and sound. Nothing new 😕
Joe, you learn form the masters then write your own .Take a look around my channel and you’ll find some nice originals. Thanks for the compliment.
How much money did u save swapping out the pickup and a custom paint job on the Kramer? Other than the wait, probably the same amount my guess.
Saved Tons!! An open box 84 Kramer is as low as $600 if you keep an eye out on Reverb. Already owned pup. Paint reasonably priced.
If you purchase a Kramer néw, pay top $ for a pickup, and overpay for what should be a modestly priced paint job, yeah you’d be paying for the price of a new 5150 stripe series.
Kramer. No doubt.
The Kramer sounded better on some parts, but the EVH also had a deeper bassier tone on the bluesy riff parts. But the Kramer had the better tone on the high notes.
Cool, thx🎸👍🏻
EVH 5150 Rocks!
Still have my original mint condition 84 Kramer Baretta . LOVE that guitar.
Great job on the comparison! My 84 is heavy but love it! Great playing!
Ty!
To me the EVH was perfect for the first two songs. But Unchained was a tie for me. Both had sound qualities that I liked on that track.
EVH is the winner for me. 🎸
Fine if you want to sound like Eddie I want to sound like myself
It’s the player not the guitar
EVH has amazing range. Bright highs with low, chunky grind on the bottom. Sounds very authentic on his work. Gets my vote. Great video BTW!
EVH for me👍
No matter which one we are the only ones who can say as we all play differently but playing like Ed always a dream ! Love em both !
Very cool video just subscribed.
Thx👍🏻🎸
EVH wins from the first chord, at list to me. I mean, the guy actively worked on tone for 40 years. Hard to do better than his most recent equipment.
Absolutely
The Kramer sounds stiff
Didn't the kramer come with a duncan JB??
Yes but sounded brittle
Unchained could use a bit more Flanger.
Yes unchained has a flanger etc. but anyone knows from an engineering standpoint when u are doing a tone test choosing a gtr , effects and artifacts are masking the purity of tone.
Thank for watching.
Where is the EVH version being made today?
M.I. Mexico.
Just bought a Kramer 84 done out just like this one
Glad to hear!
I like the Kramer . Whered you get it painted
Funk Guitars USA in s fla. Thx👍🏻🎸
Kramer sounds way more like his tone.
Agree, thought I might be going nuts? I bought the Tone Zone and Really like it.
THanks that was cool \m/
👍🏻🎸
Great video. Awesome playing. Thanks for sharing! I like the sound of the EVH better, but the looks of the 84. Good job.
Thanks for watching and for the good feedback. 🎸
Both sounded awesome but I think my favorite was the EVH. Rest In Peace Eddie
Both sick AF bro!
And your playing was amazing and identical!
Loved it!
Cheers!
007
Thanks much! Cheers!🔥🎸
EVH absolutely out of the box kills the Kramer.
Thank you so much. You helped me a lot
Welcome.
You’re a fantastic player
Thx👍🏻❤️
Who painted your Kramer?
Painted by Funk Guitars USA out of South Florida
The EVH wins hands down!
I agree with you. I have both the EVH 5150 Special in Tobacco Sunburst and a Kramer Pacer Classic. There is quite a bit of difference in the price with the EVH coming in at about $1100 all in (shipping, etc.) and the Kramer I picked up locally for $400. The Kramer is VERY HEAVY as it weights considerably more than the basswood EVH. If I dropped the Kramer I would NOT worry about it as it is REALLY PUT TOGETHER (and it costs 1/3 as much!!!! ) Both the Kramer and EVH both have the stock pickups still installed.
Sound wise, I really like both guitars but I think mine are a little more different than your two guitars (as you have The 84 which cost about twice as much as the Pacer Classic). The stock pickups on the Kramer SHRED. It is definitely a Kramer copy of a JB, or something in that range. It is ALL 80's hard rock sounding, which I LOVE. On the other hand, the EVH definitely has more low end grunt to it and can be used in a lot more types of music and still sound at home and awesome. Both tones can be changed dramatically with any type of pedal, computer program, amp, etc. But bare bones, I would describe the Kramer as really an 80's sounding guitar and the EVH more well rounded, not quite as hard rock sounding, but still effective in all types of songs.
I would give playability to the EVH hands down. The neck is amazing and the build quality is superb. The EVH Floyd Rose trem is a mile better than the Floyd copy on the Kramer Classic.
I am NOT NEARLY as good of a player as your are but for anyone reading this I would say if you are really wanting the 80's hard rock sound, consider the Kramer as the build quality is great and the tone is great (Think VH, RATT, Bon Jovi, Skid Row, White Lion, Mr. Big). If you a die hard VH fan (like I am) go ahead and get the EVH as you will NOT be disappointed. The build quality and sound quality are both great. With the EVH you can play ANYTHING with it. Or better yet, get BOTH of these guitars, as both are great sounding guitars that will give you hours of enjoyment like I did!!!
I think I’d have to be in the room to tell the difference. They sound so close though and iPhone. Lol
I really like both. Any reason why wouldn't you didn't keep the JB in there other than color? I think the JB sounds way better and think that was what Ed had in the 1984
Just don’t like it it’s weak and brittle.
Check my other vid where I put it back in.
th-cam.com/video/CVAR4womKUM/w-d-xo.html
@@BrevSullivan great video. I love both the evh and Kramer.. I'm huge a fan of evh gear , guitars ,amps but my first real guitar was a 80s Kramer original Floyd.. it's still my favorite 🤘🤘🤘
EVH. Hands down.
They sound good but too fat compared to the original track. There’s a brighter less distorted or clean distortion with a twangyness to Ed’s sound .
Lol nowhere does it claim in this video: ‘This is EDDIES tone’ . It’s a comparison between 2 gtrs straight to an amp. And if everyones rig has to have more treble for you to approve the official Vh tone to buy these gtrs we’re in trouble. Cheers.
Kramer is my pick
In EVH’s hands they both would sound exactly the same.
YES…. His hands were made of fome wood.
Just found ya and great video. Had to subscribe.
Love that amp tome too.
Thanks man .
I would choose the 84 for it's price, looks and features, but that's me.
Kool thx and hope you find your ‘84🎸
@@BrevSullivan Thanks man. Me too. Its6that, or an Ibanez RG550 genesis. The reissues they sell now in desert yellow or road flare red. 🤣🤟🤟🤟
Just when I was making the mental connection of the reality of both guitars. Bam there is your video!
Cool👍🏻
That DiMarzio Tone Zone sounds fucking killer!